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ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: a) why is that and b) out of whose piggy?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: assuming: betbet revenue is 100x divs (fault in several ways), and 2500 hours of time, and 0.4% of bitbet revenue to mods implies a .18 btc/hr mod rate. perverse incentive, though.
ben_vulpes: i don't see how it can continue without mods and hosting on the books.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432214 << mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: this was all very rude and uncalled for, my apologies
ben_vulpes: mod6: could be convinced
ben_vulpes: make life easy on the miners? why bother.
ben_vulpes: what's the point of the shift?
ben_vulpes: holmes i can read 10mb of json into memory naively and not even begin to sweat the phone.
ben_vulpes: i cannot imagine what is going on over there.
ben_vulpes: "the blob is like 10kb -- is that too much?"
ben_vulpes: "is the JSON too nesty?"
ben_vulpes: "why is the app broken?"
ben_vulpes: you don't *have* to do /anything/, mircea_popescu!
ben_vulpes: the 'umble shoemaker, dedicated to sitting on his ass and never doing anything, will starve in this town until he turns to making fashionable shoes with heels and lace instead of the sturdy things in which men tromp through mud.
ben_vulpes: 'tis not quite yet a place where one makes 130k predicated on 140k in living expenses, more like 80k in living expenses.
ben_vulpes: anyways phf, yes, alphabet corp friends and acquaintances are all having a grand party with the low cost of living.
ben_vulpes: something must be on the books for there to be any book value, etc.
ben_vulpes: more looking to the future
ben_vulpes: no shoulds on offer here.
ben_vulpes: hey it looked like a good idea!
ben_vulpes: "assetti null" or some such well-coined whatever.
ben_vulpes: yes yes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm illiterate!
ben_vulpes: on only a tangentially related topic, when do we get the B.H.-style AN1 that retains all earnings /in/ the corp?
ben_vulpes too depressed about lemon markets to dance for old men and 'rounds' this quarter, probably ever
ben_vulpes starves, withers on the vine
ben_vulpes: "great idea! i guess we don't need any custom software after all."
ben_vulpes: "are you sure you wouldn't rather secure a loan with that 50k and set up a shop on squarespace?"
ben_vulpes: "nice people die first in holodomor"
ben_vulpes: phf: that's an advantage. i can't fleece people effectively with software, being too honest.
ben_vulpes: saving people from software is mostly thankless and rewardless.
ben_vulpes: phf: i clearly have no business being in business.
ben_vulpes: phf: it's 400k for a mobile app if you bring your own designer, 50-200k if we design it, 10-40k for a single-purpose webapp with minimal frills and if you need a website, well, squarespace is over there. heck, they even do ecomm, and better than any wordprex.
ben_vulpes: i will be astonished if bitbet actually goes into receivership.
ben_vulpes: ofc not for sale, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: with a deadman's switch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hand fabricated lakebed racer
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let's just think about 'mods' for a moment.
ben_vulpes: davout: tis the Great Divestment.
ben_vulpes: bitbet is dead.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why would anyone step into receivership. a fee of anything less than the bill is lulzy small and will tar the receiver. doing it for free is chumpishly cleaning up mircea_popescu's mess.
ben_vulpes: how could i be so thick and naive! asciilifeform points out that the coffers might not even contain anything.
ben_vulpes: don't be thick, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: hey vex back for the drama?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431714 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432045 << upon consideration the (absurd! ridiculous! i don't understand how the world works!) schelling point is for kakobrekla and mircea_popescu to split the haul
ben_vulpes: 'not ready for primetime' fault of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431681 << a) a rose by any other trust backers would smell as sweet i'm sure b) i missed the part of this saga where this is not the
ben_vulpes: mk. then the contractual obligation bitbet is failing to uphold leading to its delisting would be kakobrekla's declining to convey his acceptance of the statement, without which shareholders cannot be paid out?
ben_vulpes: "aforementioned signed document" refers to "special spreadsheet"?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bbet contract 3.1d refers to 3.1b, correct?
ben_vulpes: and be in the wot.
ben_vulpes: and the db.
ben_vulpes: perhaps mircea_popescu plays a different game here though.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: game theoretically permawedges obviously.
ben_vulpes: nice little construction.
ben_vulpes: this is going to be hung, as the receiver will have to answer as to the disposition of your charge, and either way one of the founders is going to refuse an unfriendly nominee.
ben_vulpes: ultimately though it'd just be you and kako hearing.
ben_vulpes: also auction not the best model, lowest bidding receiver is not a particularly good idea.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: see 4.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: for that to happen, the receiver'd have to invalidate mircea_popescu's charge.
ben_vulpes: probably /also/ already disqualified for stating his opinions on the matter.
ben_vulpes: jurov?
ben_vulpes: who is going to even contemplate stepping into receiver's role in this context?!
ben_vulpes: elementary questions like "wtf -- paid twice?!" are dismissed with "you just don't understand how bitcoin works".
ben_vulpes: no fucking engine. brick wall a mile high.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: into completely opaque steel walls no less.
ben_vulpes: i've been told that i have no business saying anything about bitbet's business, ascii_field.
ben_vulpes: what fucking tragedy.
ben_vulpes: nor can you pay bettors out after yourself in the process of dissolution.
ben_vulpes: no ofc not
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
ben_vulpes: oh ffs BingoBoingo with the mythical miner cartel
ben_vulpes: the problem appears to not be "unexpected expense" but a disagreement between the founders as to the legitimacy of the expense.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: your verditc is 'hrown matches'?
ben_vulpes: at least i only had to type my password the *first* time i booted bitcoin under gdb
ben_vulpes: there is only the creeping hell
ben_vulpes: there is no getting away fluffypony
ben_vulpes: let's just cram all the things i hate about my life into one tidy little package
ben_vulpes: here's to the grand unified microsoft-brand-linux-that-can-build-ios-apps
ben_vulpes: > wintermute
ben_vulpes: thanks phf
ben_vulpes: so there are includes in both .h and .cpp
ben_vulpes: i looked at main's imports and didn't see it including any other bitcoind namespaces pulling in the openssl/sha files
ben_vulpes: phf: while i have your attention, do you have any idea how the various SHA256_Init, _Transform functions get into main.cpp?
ben_vulpes is pleased to see suspicions confirmed
ben_vulpes: also dafuq is up with that name
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2671 << is there a good reason to be doing this check inside ScanHash_CryptoPP's loop rather than just returning from SC_CPP on each iteration?
ben_vulpes: read that as "quote as fuck" for half a second
ben_vulpes: phf: none taken
ben_vulpes: also, fuck cars.
ben_vulpes: punkman: utterly hilarious
ben_vulpes: burn it with fire
ben_vulpes: nifty roulette wheel
ben_vulpes: the link at the bottom of the website
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: spacity.website does not
ben_vulpes: woulda taken all of ten minutes to swing through the office and you'd have left with at least three bottles of literally unprocureable elsewhere dundee wines
ben_vulpes: also dood wtf you stop in the city, swing through powells, and can't go 2 mi out of the way to get your eyes on my fp and mine on yours?
ben_vulpes: phf: whatsat, forest park?
ben_vulpes: i know i know.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: some perl.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case.
ben_vulpes: ah well that's trivially answerable is it not?
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract?
ben_vulpes: jurov: how frequently do mpex withdrawals go out with 0-fee txns?
ben_vulpes: but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave.
ben_vulpes: and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front.
ben_vulpes: or perhaps the bitbet rifle is proportionate to the value of $item were item btc.
ben_vulpes: perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss.
ben_vulpes: (couldn't possibly own stock, coins, can barely work a paste buffer much less gpg-tron, owns no real computers etc etc)
ben_vulpes only a curious kourt klown
ben_vulpes: how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet?
ben_vulpes: shareholder sentiment seems most opinionated about s.mpoe
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius!
ben_vulpes: perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications.
ben_vulpes: "what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet.
ben_vulpes: bitbet's addresses are not so much public as waved eagerly to the world, and mpex' barely advertised, and i'd split my sides laughing at the notion there was only the one public mpex address
ben_vulpes: 'tis quite obvious why this had to be done with poor kakobrekla's property and not his own.
ben_vulpes: near as i can tell, mircea_popescu went to pop a mining cartel and only caught a sybil.
ben_vulpes: what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances
ben_vulpes: *undeservedly underexamined*
ben_vulpes: with*
ben_vulpes: [02:12:30] [mircea_popescu] so then, upon advice, i sent it separately. and it went through within half hour. AFTER WHICH somehow the txn was magically found, and… this time it wasn't dropped from mempool ? what changed since last week, mempool is even bigger now. << most underexamined line in this whole saga to date.
ben_vulpes: TomServo: in what way?
ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116719 << sig(digest, pkey). this does nothing for the transacting protocol, but ensures that the device that mined a block /also/ has the privkey for the block subsidy.
ben_vulpes: i think that the above change would necessitate a new genesis block, as i suspect that difficulty is far too high for the hardware capable of hashing as described to generate a single block in any sort of reasonable time
ben_vulpes: unknown actor lol
ben_vulpes: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-capacity-nightmare-fees-reality/ << annals of "don't mention qntra whatever you do"
ben_vulpes: duh yeah `addr` field not necessary
ben_vulpes: if it's possible to confirm that the contents of `sig` corresponded to the *single* `addr` to which the block subsidy+fees (eg first transaction) pays out, i believe that the addidional `addr` header field could be omitted.
ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116712 << asciilifeform, mod6, jurov, PeterL, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla (in moderation, hopefully passes the bowels of mircea_popescu's wprexen soon)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would you limit the number of addresses/coinbases in a pow-for-addr scheme?
ben_vulpes eagerly anticipating mircea_popescu's bitcoin eulogy
ben_vulpes: no time
ben_vulpes: so cartelization, preservation of extant btc distribution not even desireable. sounds like a new genesis, altcoin, if the prototype is even preserveable?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quite mizerable.
ben_vulpes: seveneves!
ben_vulpes: complain to fluffypony he took what, 3 minutes?
ben_vulpes: it aint' great, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: but yes that too
ben_vulpes: but that's all i've found so far.
ben_vulpes: i found an antipooling design 'idea' on hackingdistributed
ben_vulpes: did i miss a fork proposal for july that would nuke miner cartelization, or perhaps even pooled mining?
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-design, rather
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-redesign
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how distribute coins without mining?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's a thought-provoker.
ben_vulpes: !up felipelalli
ben_vulpes: cuomoo
ben_vulpes: MOOOOOO
ben_vulpes: noty.
ben_vulpes: but track it?
ben_vulpes: when it coughs up lols, i'll lol
ben_vulpes: the whole electoral farce
ben_vulpes: look i'm always down to see people humiliate themselves or be humiliated but the acres of derping around before the hammer comes down isn't edging its just fucking boring
ben_vulpes: ask someone who cares
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is the 'comecon'?
ben_vulpes: THE ACID TRIP NEVER ENDS
ben_vulpes: i just threw up in my mouth
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421377 << today i learn that dirigibilists drink vermouth qua vermouth
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: link to clitler speach?
ben_vulpes: i do admire the stairs-barely-bolted-to-the-wall argentine asthetic
ben_vulpes: remember that, asciilifeform ? we had more or less the whole upstairs to ourselves?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421354 << sounds like the band asciilifeform and i got as far away from as possible while still able to gawk at the audience in bsas!
ben_vulpes: noted, ty.
ben_vulpes: fascinating.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thoughts on the x60 vs x61?
ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there".
ben_vulpes: this conflict is rooted in the addr reuse thread.
ben_vulpes: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/richard-serra-in-the-qatari-desert << another point on the 'what is art' curve and discussion
ben_vulpes: serra, pardon
ben_vulpes: and i don't want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel"
ben_vulpes: ballet is 'start when you're five and dedicate your life to it and 95% of you will fail to accomplish anything in the art even after doing so through your mid twenties at which point your body will be ruined and your mind will have forgone all education in pursuit of the art"
ben_vulpes: how the fuck is ballet accessible
ben_vulpes: a that
ben_vulpes: where in the log might inquiring minds read this caselaw, mircea_popescu ?
ben_vulpes: the account persists on mpex until mircea_popescu cleans it out
ben_vulpes wonders who else would k
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's thing doesn't care about what's in deedbot-, does it?
ben_vulpes: broker*
ben_vulpes: that'd be a contract between you and your broken, no?
ben_vulpes: and only if the estate controls the key!
ben_vulpes: PeterL: no caselaw
ben_vulpes: give the show away?
ben_vulpes: sure sure
ben_vulpes: because "from whom to rent"?
ben_vulpes: wondering if you saw it reorg'd out
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you pay to have a block mined including your transaction before sending the dup?
ben_vulpes: china-san lol
ben_vulpes: so far none of the bag^H^H^Hshareholders seem to give a shit
ben_vulpes: !t m s.bbet
ben_vulpes gives up, falls over, dies, rots, blows away
ben_vulpes: and starfish means?
ben_vulpes: ah replace by fee
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what does all of this mean
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: starfish? rbf?
ben_vulpes: fucking poverty of abstractions
ben_vulpes: c++ is an american programming language all right
ben_vulpes: bit twiddling for motherfucking arithmetic?
ben_vulpes: THIS IS WRONG
ben_vulpes: b-but nBits is an int
ben_vulpes: were simple sensible human mathematics too dirty for satoshi and company?
ben_vulpes: and have always been allies with buttlandia
ben_vulpes: punkman: lol
ben_vulpes: hanbot has sensitive bets in flight?!
ben_vulpes: right because '>>' can be overridden at the...object(?) level in c++
ben_vulpes: aaaaa
ben_vulpes: i have had two beers and a glass of wine since 5pm and none of that has made me nearly as ill as this line of cpp
ben_vulpes hums 'throw the jew down the well'
ben_vulpes: double right angles means 'put this value over here', right? but how does it make sense to put nBits into...24?
ben_vulpes: ( asciilifeform: 'markoving')
ben_vulpes: no less than usual
ben_vulpes: or however you spell your name
ben_vulpes experimenting with two-line popescu/datstoievsky fusions
ben_vulpes: as reported in the grey whore!
ben_vulpes: gl0rious v1ctory!
ben_vulpes: the fiat competition was supposed to solve this, but unfortunately the trumpenreich is just TOO GODDAMN INCOMPETENT TO EVEN COMPETE WITH THE CHICOMS
ben_vulpes: are there no hashrentiers in the wot?
ben_vulpes: this was a thread?!
ben_vulpes: rental miners
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419855 << you know, if the cost of running a pool is only 1% over subsidy + fees...
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: plz to replace 'o' with '0' in my comment if possible
ben_vulpes: since when is english a supported language
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why would the cartel have picked up the original 0 fee transaction instead of the feeful later?
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