ben_vulpes: punkman: kinda orthogonal from serialization of blocks to disk
ben_vulpes: digests
ben_vulpes: er
ben_vulpes: but i do mean cblock specifically, and in the context of producing hashes.
ben_vulpes: "DoS" seems rather farfetched, a readthrough of the DoS usage implies it's more of an ad-hoc block/txn rule enforcement mechanism.
ben_vulpes: does this CBlock->nDos thing actually matter?
ben_vulpes: give or take a figure of significance or two.
ben_vulpes: 1982 muscle car driven at 75-95 mph for 160 miles gets 18.25 mpg
ben_vulpes: in other completely unrelated news, i went out to what passes for wine country here to refresh the office cellars. found some delicious bottles for not absurd prices, lovely people, etc. but! stunner to me at least:
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how did you derive those rates?
ben_vulpes: fully granted, corn in the gas is a tax of its own.
ben_vulpes: it's not all plain 'excise', there's rather a lot of corn in "regular".
ben_vulpes: this has been your consumer energy cost cum shitflation report
ben_vulpes: "regular" gasoline for 1.97/gal, "premium clear" (somewhat higher octane, no ethanol) gas for 3.17/gal
ben_vulpes: nominally, a "Intel D27512 UV Erasable PROM from 1989"
ben_vulpes: and for asciilifeform: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/19305969764_42490e7635_o.jpg
ben_vulpes: this is fine
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: jurov: $
ben_vulpes: phf: i'm waiting for him to chime in
ben_vulpes: jurov: trinque is frantically encrypting otps by hand behind the curtain
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to not read too much into it, basically.
ben_vulpes: not having a single model for what anything means is a feature.
ben_vulpes: jurov: but hey perhaps it actually strengthens things to have infrastructure operated by people of varying rank in the various wots
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: i do not understand mircea_popescu's selection criteria for the new l1, but i don't think i am given to.
ben_vulpes: i am not pleased by many things about the schism, jurov
ben_vulpes: hi jurov
ben_vulpes: wutwut
ben_vulpes: well when you put it that way it's blindingly obvious
ben_vulpes: can someone tell me what the syntax `unsigned int& nNonce = *(unsigned int*)(pdata + 12);` in the context of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2661 means?
ben_vulpes: http://clojurewest.org/speakers#ssierra << related
ben_vulpes chuckles darkly
ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely certain this is such a bad thing
ben_vulpes: oh and tmux
ben_vulpes: "rsync and asdf:load-system" (tm r phf)
ben_vulpes: "i'm not ghetto! i swear!"
ben_vulpes: "i sensed this fist in me"
ben_vulpes: "fistally sensible"
ben_vulpes knows, has a civic
ben_vulpes: civic is 'poor' not 'ghetto'
ben_vulpes: infiniti
ben_vulpes: they're "fiscally sensible"
ben_vulpes: dude toyotas aren't ghetto
ben_vulpes: i can attest to this
ben_vulpes: strip club, singles
ben_vulpes: submitted the foundation statement yesterday, i've heard of no resignation
ben_vulpes: see also 'lulzy shit'
ben_vulpes: yes yes
ben_vulpes: surely they're just available for dynamic linking in twitter's global namespace
ben_vulpes: http://keccak.noekeon.org/tweetfips202.html << lulzy shit
ben_vulpes: bahaha
ben_vulpes: god no
ben_vulpes: in other news, the keccak reference implementation appears to have been written on a windows machine
ben_vulpes: (i don't know where that errant 'roles' came from)
ben_vulpes: inland i believe they source yeast roles from landwhale folds
ben_vulpes: around here we just have hipster girls frolicking in meadows waving empty mason jars around
ben_vulpes: interesting yeast sourcing, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: technical note, all wotpastes linked in #trilema will expire in 36 hours. i'll have to work with phf to get something in place to preserve pastes from #trilema.
ben_vulpes: o.O
ben_vulpes: returning to 'boots on the ground', mircea_popescu raises a valid point about changing the interface on users. but the "it should restart on code change to tell users things changed" imposes a very painful, unnecessary constraint on diddling deployed systems.
ben_vulpes: what, people are accustomed to hammering their fingers in the door, so i should allow for people who want me to hammer their fingers before letting them into the house?
ben_vulpes: ^^
ben_vulpes: same'd likely have happened even under restart conditions. difference'd be that the chan would (maybe) see a join/part
ben_vulpes: yes quite obvious, trying to get him to reconsider automating the control rods
ben_vulpes: moreover, how would you make that work with batching?
ben_vulpes: why would you want that?
ben_vulpes: syn
ben_vulpes: thanks trinque, phf
ben_vulpes: logs and a wot!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski interesting! so one can either borrow at a low rate and expect no return, or borrow at a high rate and pray for a return?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nevermind that the tools in 'hackerspaces' are invariably so completely out of true as to be useless
ben_vulpes: lol over what?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: mhm
ben_vulpes: 'tis an ersatz auto
ben_vulpes hums
ben_vulpes: now /those/ are some good vibrations.
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: generators!
ben_vulpes: microelectric shitmobile is economical in the same way that ersatz american cheese is economical
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski's wife's car is not on pete_dushenski's books?
ben_vulpes: mostly because i intend to own the thing for over a decade, and not drive it a whole lot.
ben_vulpes: i'll take the odd thousand dollar charge over a car lease.
ben_vulpes: btw, where is the epic mp asciilifeform thread about tuning the nonce shifting to ensure nodes have a market for their digests?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: who said anything about waiting
ben_vulpes: not a lot of time to get keccak into the hairball.
ben_vulpes: april, may, july
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i was actually trying to figure out what that interest rate point /was/
ben_vulpes: (and where is the "lease don't buy your car!1" tip?)
ben_vulpes: canadoes that?
ben_vulpes: 1% interest on checking or savings accounts oh my sides
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: this interest rate claim: are you implying that house prices go up when interest rates go down, ergo the house won't appreciate if you buy when rates are low and so don't?
ben_vulpes: i grow convinced that wherever pete_dushenski hails from is even weirder than asciilifeform's big gulag
ben_vulpes: ten dollar tacos?!
ben_vulpes: or have it delivered up the street
ben_vulpes: oh well in that case just budget 2 hours to drive it
ben_vulpes: farm equipment is entirely allowed on the highway here, mostly because...we have farms.
ben_vulpes: 'tis here
ben_vulpes: although i'd go for an excavator
ben_vulpes: tempting!
ben_vulpes: "no dood i rented it for laffs for tonight."
ben_vulpes: "holy shit is that your daily driver?!"
ben_vulpes: iono man when i want to show up at a party in a stupidly expensive car for fun, i rent something ludicrous not a fucking ford
ben_vulpes: the same kind of people who lease cars!
ben_vulpes: but not for "showing up for events" but for "showing up for the commute"
ben_vulpes: here too!
ben_vulpes: "hi i would like to pay interest on the loan for this car and also the one that you'll replace it with."
ben_vulpes: how is car renting not a poorfag thing?!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-strange-origins-of-truecrypt-isiss-favored-encryption-tool << more truecrypt
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plugging his hole with the pastes?
ben_vulpes: less of a shooting and more of a staking out for carrion birds though
ben_vulpes: just send kid to public skool
ben_vulpes: "this land is shit land, that land is shitland, from the trash of new york, to the smog of l.a......"
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: y'all never stripped out the 2 weeks?
ben_vulpes: molded by stupid, from shit
ben_vulpes: i thought systemd was modeled after windows
ben_vulpes still waiting for integrated apple/ms/mobile linux
ben_vulpes: welcome to...1970?
ben_vulpes: depreciation, maintenance, spine damage, vulnerability to other humans and their wrecking-ball-vehicles
ben_vulpes actually could, but prefers not to
ben_vulpes: hay is for horses, not arguments
ben_vulpes: hey i never said better
ben_vulpes: "slaves build 'em!"
ben_vulpes mind-blow, horses are free what next houses?
ben_vulpes: wake me when the us starts making roads out of something other than oil byproducts again
ben_vulpes: horses are more expensive than a car what is this
ben_vulpes: only people biking in town are noisy impoverished children like myself
ben_vulpes: not the right people
ben_vulpes: bikers are supposed to just get the fuck out of the way, sensibly.
ben_vulpes: there are notorious questions on the or dl test about rider signalling. yes, /horse/ rider signalling.
ben_vulpes: horse is only not in your particularly insane part of the states
ben_vulpes: b-b-but BingoBoingo "the columns of caaarz!"
ben_vulpes is suitably entertained
ben_vulpes: subject of, why did mircea_popescu choose to stay on fleanode?
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'd expect at least a court and a forum
ben_vulpes: afaict there is mircea_popescu's court, some dismally jolly sappers digging tunnels, and some people emptying bedpans in their finery
ben_vulpes: what we, what republic.
ben_vulpes: quadruple if you count the second, right?
ben_vulpes: "we", but aha
ben_vulpes: tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes"
ben_vulpes: it's not a true double spend unless you spend...twice.
ben_vulpes: aup that's the one trinque thanks
ben_vulpes: mhm, steve yegge had a piece called "quality without a name", large part was how amazon used (heavily customized) emacs for customer support during the early years, and support staff hated everything that came afterwards
ben_vulpes: ^^ 256 bit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have a copy of yegge's "quality without a name" stashed somewhere?
ben_vulpes: "for quaternionlet!!!!"
ben_vulpes: have you...turned your computer off and then on again?
ben_vulpes: our very own pascalian wager
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, ask i did, and answer of some sort i received.
ben_vulpes: i asked "why did you not bring this before the forum first?", and received "what, /you/ idiots?", from which i derive that i am not to expect answers, and if to not expect answer why ask?
ben_vulpes: when i asked, you said "none of you dickbags get off your asses and actually do anything, why would i ask of you one whit"
ben_vulpes: eyyy trinque not that you're short of work or anything rn but hey, add 'titles' to the todo list?
ben_vulpes: and as mircea_popescu has pointed out, courts' mandate descends from the king but may not bind him
ben_vulpes: trinque: myself
ben_vulpes: sometimes even with exclamation points!
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely guilty of seeing something that my raven-eye finds shiny and reacting with "neat" or "nifty" or "cool"
ben_vulpes: hard to say, as a cow
ben_vulpes: "but if the cost of having continuity is to be shackled to dem000cracy (tm alf), i'll happily shed the continuity to be rid of the cows"?
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: "change is the only constant!" (d,tmr~). i've no desire for communiteh and happiness and being in a room where everyone gets along. but the logs were valuable in their own right, for as long as they had that continuity.
ben_vulpes: smoke more cigarettes, talk shit about cmdrs.
ben_vulpes: but hey, we move the camp, dig more latrines.
ben_vulpes: i am fully torn between the poles of wanting to understand why mircea_popescu burned the coins to make the point, desperately wanting continuity with the logs-as-they-were, and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything
ben_vulpes: hail broseidon
ben_vulpes: RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you speak to why ada's usgenesis shouldn't set off klaxons?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd certainly rather feed racoons with food taped to my body than figure out how to position elements relative to each other
ben_vulpes: holy shit does browser positioning fail to respect the right hand rule?
ben_vulpes: keeping my two cents in the tattoo jar
ben_vulpes makes a note to name the next box lilith
ben_vulpes: wb mike_c
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai "adlai i"
ben_vulpes: Version: 'p' sqrt(etotheipi, give or take a kelvin) << adlaii re-found this amusing
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski what, the numbers mean something now?
ben_vulpes: you're probably digging out from under months of ;;later's
ben_vulpes: heh man i don't even recall the context for that question offhand
ben_vulpes: bon soir
ben_vulpes: mike_c!
ben_vulpes: does anyone remember a story about a last-minute us presidential candidacy that was run on highly personally target emails?
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: i hadn't realized it to be an os
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ever mess around much with cola/jolt/pepsi/idst/friends?
ben_vulpes: the "not a vote for b, but a vote against everything else" line made me tilt my head.
ben_vulpes: > cunch
ben_vulpes: talk to trinque about that
ben_vulpes: when i get my sigil of lilith down i'll do those too
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pentagrams only.
ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/ewl8iQF.jpg << the white metallic ink pilot g2's have arrived.
ben_vulpes: sorry kakobrekla, was that me?!
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ben_vulpes: stand by
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: 2016?!
ben_vulpes: moreover how does one know that any commenter on bitbet is a bettor? are they 'signing' things with the appropriate privkeys now?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now credits the howling monkeys outside of the wot with accomplishing things?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu issued a receipt and all
ben_vulpes: so was my ticket to con3, by mthreat.
ben_vulpes: eerily reminiscient of the commerce clause. "in addition to these explicit terms in our favor, we may decide in the future to do other things."
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: nowhere in there does it say "if we overpay and can identify the people to whom we overpaid, we'll clawback funds from those addresses."
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a broker'd not have to share keys with anyone.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438613 << on the n+1 thread, consider also the broker, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: mhm.