ascii_butugychag: scrolling also (whole surface is a scroller, x-y)
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: believe or not, it does.
ascii_butugychag: the joys of all weird proprietary hardware
ascii_butugychag: (quite worthless, i must note, without the aftermarker driver that lets you program new patterns in. need this in order even to have middle-click..)
ascii_butugychag: the thing with the capacitance sensor top
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: 'magic mouse'
ascii_butugychag: mats: so i wanted to go and read misra c, turns out it is payware ?
ascii_butugychag: now i am fighting a compulsion to stick that tape to the bottom of every single object on my desk
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: they gave me this surprisingly spiffy apple mouse-touchsensor-chimera, but it has gigantic rails in contact with the table, and tremendous static friction. but it turns out that teflon will make it slide aaah so nicely along, like hockey puck..
ascii_butugychag: (i wanted the book for a reason)
ascii_butugychag: as you probably know, my original interest in 0.5.3* was ~characterization~
ascii_butugychag: mod6: shiva is unabashedly a beachhead to eventually have the whole thing enlisped.
ascii_butugychag: but i will NOT tolerate a megatonne of rubbish in my vpatch just to rename a dir.
ascii_butugychag: (as my instructions note, it is necessary to rename a directory after pressing tinyscheme-genesis to end up with the shiva subdir in shiva patch)
ascii_butugychag: and so makes it quite impossible to properly have tinyscheme-genesis FULLY MACHINE-READABLY flow into shiva genesis
ascii_butugychag: which does not allow file rename operation except as a megatonne of add/subtract-lines
ascii_butugychag: i suppose this is when i restate my rage at the idiocy of gnudiff
ascii_butugychag: what a small thing, how much less agony.
ascii_butugychag: aaaaah teflon mouse tape !
ascii_butugychag: / clear error queue, since FIPS loading bugs might overlay our own errors
ascii_butugychag: RAND_load_file("/dev/urandom", 2048);
ascii_butugychag: do i even want to know.
ascii_butugychag: ostr<<"HUG, HUG - sell a bug.\n"; oflush();
ascii_butugychag: l0l
ascii_butugychag: break;
ascii_butugychag: cmode = CMODE_FREEHUGS;
ascii_butugychag: case FREEHUGS:
ascii_butugychag: 'Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) by means of ECDH or DH Kex ... opmsg builds fine with any of the OpenSSL, LibreSSL and BoringSSL...' << i've read enough.
ascii_butugychag: the rest - below.
ascii_butugychag: the brahmins - at managerial levels
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: they tend to 'colonize' rackets involving repetitive, tedious sorts of work
ascii_butugychag: (a ~very~ heavy chunk of biotech research establishment in usa, and likely many other such rackets, runs on indian emigres)
ascii_butugychag: they tend to... segment.
ascii_butugychag: ftr i worked with folks from india for many years
ascii_butugychag: ah
ascii_butugychag: the ..?.. is a rotating slurry ...
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: your paste got cut off
ascii_butugychag: the what
ascii_butugychag: so long as white man supplies the equipment - yes
ascii_butugychag: (by pissing on patents)
ascii_butugychag: there's plenty india can do that usa chokes on - such as actually producing pharma cheaply
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: nagant also works, in that sense. not interesting.
ascii_butugychag: say, how about a 'memory dungeon' ?
ascii_butugychag: (garbage collection)
ascii_butugychag: there really oughta be moar work re: the art of forgetting rubbish
ascii_butugychag: how the fuck do you 'forbid from owning bitcoin' ??
ascii_butugychag: pretty sure this is in the logz
ascii_butugychag: jurov: by chinese remainder theorem
ascii_butugychag: jurov: you can trivially do it right now, just walk all of sks, if the pubkey is - well - public, you can determine that someone rsa'd to it
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: enemy exercise in self-congratulatory wanking - 'we already have metadata! who talks to whom! we won'
ascii_butugychag: may as well otp then
ascii_butugychag: by iterating over pubkeys
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: you can still brute-force the recipient
ascii_butugychag: go and win against a pro WITHOUT MOTHERFUCKING HANDICAP
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, i find it far more enraging that (incl. this same rag) is repeating the nonsense re: go being solved
ascii_butugychag: and i would love to be proven wrong about this.
ascii_butugychag: this is trivial for, e.g., otp, but - i suspect provably - a no-go for anything else, esp. anything asymmetric.
ascii_butugychag: that is.
ascii_butugychag: *have the privkey
ascii_butugychag: (how to encrypt such that you ~must~ have the pubkey to distinguish the ciphertext from noise)
ascii_butugychag: ^ is an unsolved and possibly unsolvable boojum
ascii_butugychag: !s public key steganography
ascii_butugychag: but more to the point,
ascii_butugychag: who is surprised by the keyid thing ?!
ascii_butugychag: !s rat poison still works
ascii_butugychag: l0l!!
ascii_butugychag: hm, then will try it again tonight
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: wai wut, what logs
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: you are getting oom'd
ascii_butugychag: but that does mean that it is quite impossible for me to do what mod6 asked for.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: aha! ok i get it
ascii_butugychag: the only vpatches that have any business exceeding a few dozen kB are genesis loads
ascii_butugychag: upload-only, 1 file at a time.
ascii_butugychag: what black hole.
ascii_butugychag: just turdatron on other end.
ascii_butugychag: doesn't mutilate payloads.
ascii_butugychag: sure as fuck better
ascii_butugychag: it wouldn't surprise me if it has taken up more log space to date than the entire sum of payloads in turdatron.
ascii_butugychag: nah just go through the turdatron nonsense
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: i fucking hate email.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387686 << the appearance of 'despondent turds' doesn't sink empires though, it is quite the reverse
ascii_butugychag: email suxx
ascii_butugychag: perhaps turdatron ought to be an ftp
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387688 << so where did it go...
ascii_butugychag: without a trace.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished.
ascii_butugychag: i thought mircea_popescu only played gurlz
ascii_butugychag: !s minsky
ascii_butugychag: srsly could they not find somebody who ~actually plays~ the motherfucking game, to write these articles ?!!
ascii_butugychag: you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games
ascii_butugychag: mats: working as a reverser at last ?
ascii_butugychag: traditionally that's ru
ascii_butugychag: wtf is trizantium
ascii_butugychag: 'Hercules is a continuation of the TMS470/TMS570 line. It's focused on safety and performance. One of the key features of Hercules is dual CPUs running the same code in parallel ("lock-step"). This lets you immediately detect faults in the CPU itself.' << apparently not entirely extinct
ascii_butugychag: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/213445/why-does-ti-have-so-many-microcontrollers << random lulz
ascii_butugychag: bitmaps are bulky
ascii_butugychag: savages.
ascii_butugychag: srsly who saves scans as pdf.
ascii_butugychag: and it'll be a winner.
ascii_butugychag: now it just needs to become a djvu
ascii_butugychag: no idea who did it.
ascii_butugychag: pretty decent scan.
ascii_butugychag: l337 w4r3z!11111
ascii_butugychag: ^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell adlai http://www.loper-os.org/?p=13&cpage=1#comment-17582
ascii_butugychag: fiddles while it burns ?
ascii_butugychag: no idea
ascii_butugychag: incidentally the centerpiece article in that rag was hilarious, it was about d.c. folk fighting over (yes) parking spots they excavated in the snow
ascii_butugychag: just so precious.
ascii_butugychag: i'll grab a copy on my way back & scan it
ascii_butugychag: i shit thee not.
ascii_butugychag: 'thank you obama for defending our public lands!'
ascii_butugychag: had an obama standing in a photoshopped mountain canyon, sunrise illuminating his saintly halo,
ascii_butugychag: so there is a kind of phree volkischer-beobachter they hand out in the train station here. and it had a full page ad in it today, melted my brain, full pyongyang mode
ascii_butugychag: (or, in the anglo world, 'hen's teeth')
ascii_butugychag: 'bird's milk'
ascii_butugychag: hard to argue with this.
ascii_butugychag: how did it go... 'mammalian reproduction shits out horde of disposable males'
ascii_butugychag: whereas a bloke is worth something possibly at the moment he charges the enemy machine-gun nest successfully
ascii_butugychag: i recall a spiffy mircea_popescu article re: how one ends up having to lie to chix, when telling them that they are worthless, because they are in fact worth something
ascii_butugychag: how else.
ascii_butugychag: he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot
ascii_butugychag just now realizes that mircea_popescu would make a world-class sergeant
ascii_butugychag: with money. but then turns out that said goat was subsidized by american occupying soldiers...
ascii_butugychag: or is it permissible to buy one
ascii_butugychag: do i have to catch own goat ?
ascii_butugychag: no but what would count as properly honourable
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what would this look like? kalash, kandahar ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i think even the air i breathe is subsidized somehow.
ascii_butugychag: gdb is a nonstarter, thing won't keep time with it in
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: the goal is much more modest, i just need something that lets me poke around a running trb
ascii_butugychag: (and afaik nobody cancelled the 'false' for file dels)
ascii_butugychag: prolly gonna have to rebake it
ascii_butugychag: something like that.
ascii_butugychag: you telnet and get a repl.
ascii_butugychag: aha.
ascii_butugychag: shiva is a very dangerous instrument, and anyone considering using it for whatever purpose will need to read the docs and 'measure seven times, cut once'
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387027 << i promise to explain once the whole thing is up on the ml.
ascii_butugychag: (perhaps whoever shot out the substations in ca last year, partizans)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387021 << if mircea_popescu tells me there are partizans, i'll believe. but the (fed-subsidized!) ranchers are sad schmucks.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps
ascii_butugychag: my first attempt was a very dirty hack, i re-did it as a properly vtronic thing (to preserve pedigree linkage to classical tinyscheme)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387032 << initially the thing is to be used, very carefully, as a kind of scriptable debugger (e.g., 'when a tx comes in, do XXX'
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387030 << actually the basic shivatron is done, but i'd like to test before posting
ascii_butugychag: but it doesn't hurt to try.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: considerable. the thing probably won't keep time.
ascii_butugychag: ah
ascii_butugychag: jurov: this from mod6's patch?!
ascii_butugychag is perpetrating this horror on the other side of desk, it is difficult to fully contain
ascii_butugychag: mathematics!111
ascii_butugychag: because it is a function of two inputs, the traveller and the destination.
ascii_butugychag: *objective
ascii_butugychag: that's the thing. ^ pisshole status is quite objectice.
ascii_butugychag: argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: philippines is ~preview of near future usa~
ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic
ascii_butugychag: the kind dropped into toilet ?
ascii_butugychag: dafuq is a 'fiat log'
ascii_butugychag: adlai: when ?
ascii_butugychag: because i would like to request this.
ascii_butugychag: adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ?
ascii_butugychag: and did not.
ascii_butugychag: but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless
ascii_butugychag: and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket
ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'
ascii_butugychag: 'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r)
ascii_butugychag: (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)
ascii_butugychag: works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.
ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero
ascii_butugychag: there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank
ascii_butugychag: adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death)
ascii_butugychag: but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional
ascii_butugychag: aha.
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~
ascii_butugychag: or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf.
ascii_butugychag: he coughs up coin
ascii_butugychag: whaddayamean what use
ascii_butugychag: hence no 0sum lottery.
ascii_butugychag: adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game
ascii_butugychag: because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one
ascii_butugychag: if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.
ascii_butugychag: 'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions.
ascii_butugychag: catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.
ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it.
ascii_butugychag: how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc.
ascii_butugychag: no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor.
ascii_butugychag: anyway this is in the logz.
ascii_butugychag: how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc
ascii_butugychag: (the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis)
ascii_butugychag: for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat.
ascii_butugychag: but fully automated
ascii_butugychag: i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison
ascii_butugychag: !s coke machine
ascii_butugychag: adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ?
ascii_butugychag: wai wut
ascii_butugychag: adlai: what were you in for ?
ascii_butugychag: generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery
ascii_butugychag: they were not a long-term thing
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east
ascii_butugychag: how goes, thestringpuller ?
ascii_butugychag: 'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru)
ascii_butugychag: prison.
ascii_butugychag: also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie.
ascii_butugychag: this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back...
ascii_butugychag: (hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable)
ascii_butugychag: -- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty
ascii_butugychag: and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha
ascii_butugychag: and a few other things.
ascii_butugychag: minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.
ascii_butugychag: french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died !
ascii_butugychag: of 'n-rays' fame.
ascii_butugychag: compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot
ascii_butugychag: fell on grenade.
ascii_butugychag: who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans.
ascii_butugychag: Дерягин, Борис Владимирович.
ascii_butugychag: Derjaguin.
ascii_butugychag: the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater
ascii_butugychag: (multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later)
ascii_butugychag: minsky birthed it, and killed it
ascii_butugychag: his proof is homework-classic today
ascii_butugychag: ;;google perceptron xor
ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end
ascii_butugychag: btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field
ascii_butugychag: and now you know how!11
ascii_butugychag: aha.
ascii_butugychag: see 'firing squad problem.'
ascii_butugychag: ring topology.
ascii_butugychag: but not in von neumann pc, no.
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure)
ascii_butugychag: 'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts.
ascii_butugychag: (and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown)
ascii_butugychag: and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector.
ascii_butugychag: and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ?
ascii_butugychag: go figure
ascii_butugychag: but still like and trust hdd chipset ?
ascii_butugychag: incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit
ascii_butugychag: but whole point of raid is to avoid this
ascii_butugychag: ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ?
ascii_butugychag: ah
ascii_butugychag: 2 kills my setup for sure