pete_dushenski: i guess i like my pilots like i like my kidneys. not 'rational' or 'efficient' but what can i say. then again, it's not like i'll be flying anything other than commerical for the forseeable future
davout: not really because of the need for a "backup pilot"
davout: i don't think it does matter that much, there's usually two pilots because there's more buttons
mircea_popescu: well theres no multi-pilot single props
mircea_popescu: there is that.
davout: the only really significant categories, from a safety point of view, are single vs. multi engines
davout: engines are regularly changed when their potential is up
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 21:50 pete_dushenski: and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap.
mircea_popescu: eh, i dun specifically care. just leaving it in the log for the next time usg goes "oh usg.twitter has 4398573498759834795 users"
ben_vulpes: gotta brick those up before the flying ones start coming through
mircea_popescu: one lulzy bit being that the gmx account is known-compromised since cca 2013.
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'he was unable to sign either an early Bitcoin transaction or a statement with his original GPG key because “A sequence of events unfolded in 2010 that caused me the loss of all my keys.”' << lol, gold
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 02:45 mircea_popescu: multiple servers!!!* (* terms and conditions apply. one wife for each soldier means everyone's fucking the same old rubber chicken)
mircea_popescu: i hear that';s the ancient spelling of "china"
asciilifeform: in other news, asciilifeform is getting samples from cn LYSO xtal grower
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just a little bit of "consensus building" on the left.
mircea_popescu: astroturf ALL THE FUCKING WAY DOWN.
mircea_popescu: in other "climate science", "somebody actually gives a shit about all the libertard agitprop" "there's more than a handful of sjws, truly, really, believe!!!" "nyt has more reach than trilema" and "if you don't have sou's hot whopper in your reader you really should" news, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X09iH/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: And still more regional weird: "Bronke explained that few people in the area have access to one or more of the substances found in Ellerbuschs body. He implied that investigators from multiple counties are looking into where the teen may have received the substance or substances."
BingoBoingo: "Police say more than $100,000 in trucks and lawn equipment was stolen Wednesday night or Thursday morning from a business in Caseyville. St. Clair County Sheriffs Capt. Bruce Fleshren said a large section of fencing was cut, and gates were rammed by trucks at the business, Munie Green Care."
BingoBoingo: And in the weather, thing not usually stolen getting stolen: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article145718689.html#wgt=trending
BingoBoingo: In other news, of the tomatoes installed this year, the vine which has put on the most size so far is the aptly named "Beefmaster" cultivar
mircea_popescu: multiple servers!!!* (* terms and conditions apply. one wife for each soldier means everyone's fucking the same old rubber chicken)
BingoBoingo: Or did Mexico try the cocaine and toggle switch RNG idea and it turns out cocaine is deterministic
BingoBoingo: Like the silk
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to all of mexico! << But is the RSA moduli warm letting you know it just emerged from the worm's ass?
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646628 <<< this guy would be the Eulorian that stores his gpg private key on onedrive, then is pissed he cant get to it.
mircea_popescu: they probably copied it from somewhere.
asciilifeform: and the vacuously true
ben_vulpes: princeton, stating the obvious as far back as 2014
ben_vulpes: in other "ain't got nuffin to say, but gonna say it anyways" entries: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2014/10/27/bitcoin-mining-is-np-hard/
mircea_popescu: and in other "holy shit i love this place" lulz : i bought three fresh coconuts for a thousand colones today ; and half a dozen superb riple mangos for two. this comes to almost 10 kgs of produce for six dollars total. then further down the street proceeded into telas tienda, selling authentic silk brocade, five bux the double-length metre. and it is silk, straight from the worm's ass. it burns, the grain feels right, you nam
mats: so many twits on their smahtphones
mats: being on the road at all is terrifying
ben_vulpes: there are many less traumatic failure modes helmet mitigates against
asciilifeform: it isn't as if it will do anything against their usual mode of death -- being thrown into oncoming traffic
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they last ~forever
pete_dushenski: and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap.
asciilifeform: the linked auction
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 21:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra slow but present.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they dun bother with trials over here, for 'we saw white terrorist with RIFLE!!'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646565 << afaik these are only available with american flga
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646550 << this is rather like those 5000 $ 'playstations' etc. on ebay. money laundry.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 19:59 pete_dushenski: in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/
mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra slow but present.
pete_dushenski: it's really not hard to spend two hours a day reading logs just to check all the obscure and arcane references. and that's before reading all the links.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646560 << #trilema being possibly the only place in the history of letters that takes sensibly longer to read than it takes to write.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 18:16 asciilifeform: exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 18:12 asciilifeform: and the author of the linked www oughta be horsewhipped.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646539 << eh enemy of empire, gimme a break. dude's an enemy of having to personally work, thassall. empire told him the way out is via "celebrity" because "publicity", he's doing what was told.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 13:52 mircea_popescu: yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red.
pete_dushenski: of course, same could be said of air-cooled porsche or 50s ferrari, but neither of these sports cars were made in the kinds of quantities the toyotruck was. then again, the quantity of unrusted, unbagged units probably isn't all that far off the mark.
pete_dushenski: 'bout the size of new f150. popular choice.
pete_dushenski: in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but i find it difficult to take such a fella seriously.
asciilifeform: because apparently he thought that being a public whore is worth the fivebux/mo or whatever it paid.
asciilifeform: exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp
asciilifeform: the most irritating imho thing is that the crud is EXACTLY the same on ~all 'popular' www.
asciilifeform: for a supposed enemy of the empire, to host that liquishit ( incidentally it is produced in concert with traditional spammers, i have an entire mailbox that has become unusable because it takes in flashlight spam faster than it can be removed ) is a disgrace.
asciilifeform: ftr the 'revcontent' -- '16 things flashlight sellers don't want you to know about the 16 best selfies taken before death' etc. is loathesome
BingoBoingo: Aha, comp usa didn't sell machines. They sold "service plans" and "financing"
asciilifeform: we have one of these also
trinque: there's a decent store 10min away that stocks about as well as newegg, can go get something once I have the apu2 and see what will fit nicely in the case.
asciilifeform: ditto usb hole (they are usb2)
asciilifeform: iirc it has 3 sockets for the latter.
asciilifeform: ( it has sata plug, but no room in the case for a 2.5 inch disk; typically people get 'm-sata' laptop-style ssd for these )
asciilifeform: trinque: what kind of drive will you use in the apu2?
trinque: re: musl and X, you have to tell it in xorg.conf what order to load modules in. had this for intel, but don't know the proper incantation yet for amd/ati
trinque: also have an apu2 on the way which will be a dedicated gentoo+musl. I'll write up the unboxing and gentooing of that guy when it arrives.
asciilifeform: trinque: how did the gentoo go ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend (TM)(R): Monero Ring Solution, Coinbase Presents GDAX Has Goxlike Phenomenon, And Another Hoaxtoshi
mircea_popescu: anyway, vaguely curious if the russians are actually going to try the espionage case or just bury the schmuck in a hole somewhere.
mircea_popescu: had the usg terrorist organisation done it, it'd have been all a-ok by these wrecker's lights.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get it : the russians did it.
shinohai: "In the meantime, the Debian Project has taken measures to secure its systems by removing Dmitry's keys in the case that they are compromised." This will in no way affect our ability to provide you with compromised keys.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Ihgo4 << and then debian revokes his commit. as if it weren't 'tor exit node operating', haskell-teaching, fine folx who made debian what it is today, poetteringolade
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the classification of ideas is a very useful scholarly discipline.
mircea_popescu: the jpm school, not being jewish, simply aims to you know, resolve THE PROBLEM of this property, like they'd cure the common cold or the misfortune of being black.
mircea_popescu: the hamilton school, money as symbol, attempts to construct a grammar of the world wherein money is a word like all the others, and with it finally complete the ancient kaballah task of reading the true bible.
asciilifeform: ( omfg the poverty of english !! )
mircea_popescu: yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 13:49 mircea_popescu: one is to regard it as a symbol, the other is to regard it as a property.
asciilifeform: i dun see any finery, but only 2 symbols of which mircea_popescu seems to say i do not know the meaning.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't mean you're now at liberty to savage all over the livingroom finery.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't really enter into any of this. you asked for a disjunction i gave you the genus and specific difference.
asciilifeform: money-is-property, as i understand , is the old, demolished civilized world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alright. there's two ways to look at money, once you agree (as all of these do) that the principal function of money is to organise human activity while avoiding the costs of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044
mircea_popescu: the agitolalia re "progress" is especially funny in a place that's literally still playing the same plays.
asciilifeform: describe plox the split between whatever it is that connects h & c, vs jpm & r.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean "cultural pockets" as in, people from chicago talk funny. i mean isolated cultural pockets as in, the jefferson-hamilton debate of 1700 is still live and kicking in 2000, argued in the sense of dumb rehashing by the same people in different costumes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the hamilton-carnegie us has a) little to do with the jpmorgan-rockefeller us, and also entirely nothing to do with the jackson-nixon-bush us.
asciilifeform: they -- had a dying spain to eat.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that earlier is arguably the rarara monroe doctrine us "european power" of jackson
asciilifeform: the paralytic gold confiscator was very much the undertaker of the earlier (carnegie, rockefeller, et al - producing) culture.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same ideas throughout (which is not surprising, mediocre men reflect the fashions of the age, news at 1100 ad.)
asciilifeform: fdr centralized , e.g., academia, created the familiar grantola trough, magicked modern fiatola into existence. quite definitively the builder of usg4.
mircea_popescu: it's 9x% of the us education system by mass.
mircea_popescu: there should be a book written about these "earworms" let's call it, little bits of memetic stupid that work on the innocent strictly, and reconfigure what'd have been a natural construction into stupidity.
mircea_popescu: it is only accurate if one's account of us history is made after reading it rather than before.
asciilifeform: i picked it up because afaik it is quite accurate. the 4 stages are quite distinguishable .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, on the face that'd be lincoln not jackson. very different items.
mircea_popescu: i really recommend against using yarvin's mental models for anything, they're well broken.
mircea_popescu: in typical ignoramus fashion, he is missing the jackson us in there, annexing florida and shit.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-07 11:41 asciilifeform: usg1 - 'idealism', attempt at actual federation of independent states; usg2 - strong federal / centralized, slave states alive; usg3 - slave states zapped, vestiges of state autonomy removed, capitalism; usg4 - the one we know and love.
mircea_popescu: this isn't to say that the previous system was any good -- it truly was about as good as the soviet union, which is to say worse than nothing.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Earl Butz - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz>; Earl Butz, history's victim. - Slate: <http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2008/02/earl_butz_historys_victim.html>; This Day in Quotes: The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a ...: <http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html>
mircea_popescu: it's still called the same thing, but it has ~same to do with its own history as today's russia with historical soviet union.
asciilifeform: oppenheimer could have easily been a saharov. but instead he was stripped of his rank and given a swift kick in the arse when he took up with the left.
mircea_popescu: the adventure of that unfortunate idiot bailey is exactly that -- the dissemblement of the entire system people like orlov, and like rotblatt, and like every tard in between shat on for a half century.
mircea_popescu: of course they did.
asciilifeform: these folx never got a podium on which to pour shit over entire american system, say, and 'dissident'ate, and gleefully preside over disassembly of usg
asciilifeform: aah them
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Statement: The Russell - Einstein Manifesto – Pugwash Conferences ...: <https://pugwash.org/1955/07/09/statement-manifesto/>; Russell – Einstein Manifesto - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%25E2%2580%2593Einstein_Manifesto>; Russell - Einstein Manifesto: <http://www.umich.edu/~pugwash/Manifesto.html>
mircea_popescu: sure they did.
asciilifeform: they, unfortunately, did not have a competent set of puppeteers, and a nobel-dispensing 'international komyoonity', to put theirs on proper podium
mircea_popescu: can anyone dig up a contact for the fellow ? i'd actually do an interview.
asciilifeform: there was an earlier case, more familiar to asciilifeform : saharov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i've been thinking about the conway thing. it's nigh on fascinating, a perfect case of "aging engineer falls into female culture" to use the terminology of http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/
asciilifeform: 'If the North Koreans hesitate to open fire, for obvious reasons of national survival and common sense, there is a back-up team of shooters, namely the Maritime Self-Defense Force of Japan. A volley of Mitsubishi anti-ship missiles should do the job of sinking the U.S. Seventh Fleet and drowning the American sailors. The news media will assign the blame on Pyongyang for the dastardly deed.'
asciilifeform in other noose, now has a pretty clean 'transparently mmapize arbitrary object to disk' ada thing.
mircea_popescu: and in other vintage, https://68.media.tumblr.com/59dee5b0fa46082499c5aea2a0dee150/tumblr_omaxhcNpvk1vvow1po1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: or the river -- a destination...
ben_vulpes: in other news, portland fashioning itself as a testbed for robocar experiments
a111: Logged on 2017-04-18 04:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks << "BitBet Mod 17-04-17 at 14:49 Dear BitBet users, Our apologies for the extended downtime. We underwent a ddos attack, motivated by a rather base extortion attempt (the 4th or 5th this year, but this one was unusually large). We have taken steps with our ISP to buy additional ddos protection capacity and are back to normal operations. All funds under our
mircea_popescu: anyway, random chav or w/e you call the plebs where you live. what's notable ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does not twiddle living space aesthetics?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 20:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other-asian-cuisine, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bda5a1b8b2a9f884b1d07f2b1b0cb6d1/tumblr_ooep7c4QRN1ust2lpo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: i'd imagine at this point in the neverending 20th c. it'd be obvious at least to literate folx, that this type of 'power grab' is about as great an idea as grabbing live hv cable .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ~now~ you can picture why asciilifeform's picture of conway switched , at that time, from 'hmm, but vlsi!' to 'i wonder where conway stole the credit for vlsi'
asciilifeform: the house in the background doesn't look like a telco tho, no bars on 2nd story windows
mircea_popescu: "what kgb ?!" "the poverty law center dorks" "oh."
asciilifeform: they, e.g., got the heimbach d00d (see logz) thrown out of school, various folks - from wherever they worked, etc.
asciilifeform: splc is ~the~ 'j00z-hunting-crimethinkers-by-whatever-means' org in usa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as per link, "RAGE ON THE RIGHT A rage is growing on the right. Before it is done, untold numbers of men and women may have to die, casualties in America's ongoing culture wars. By Mark Potok, Editor, SPLC Intelligence Report".
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
mircea_popescu: all in all, the whole conway/bailey pile of shenanigans is a fine de-facto blueprint of "activism" of the ilk every idle nobody and her star-sister's trying to engage in.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-15 20:17 Rassah: asciilifeform: Atmel SAM4L series running the software, with random number being generated only from SRAM, in combinaton with other things we're considering, like a salt you can add in a TXT file
asciilifeform: they dun do qty1. of anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 20:01 mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots.
ben_vulpes: this concludes the #trilema daily episode of ben_vulpes is wrong about everything
ben_vulpes: at least there's a trained pig involved, that sounds like some sort of capital investment.
ben_vulpes: "trees", but to answer the first question i suppose a resounding "no"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, it rained so densely here antennas couldn't see each other half mile away.
ben_vulpes: here i was thinking that rooting around in the dirt for grubs was for teh poors
mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes crickets are supposedly delicacy, yoiu can get them chocolate covered or with nuts.
phf: fwiw, it's socially acceptable to cook cicadas in maryland, every 9 or whatever years that they come out
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/f1FVJ << somebody doing 'god's own work', fleecing blueblood idiots
asciilifeform: the immense difficulty of 'human' getting small qty. of just about anything that doesn't live in lolmart, is why i piss on people who piss on 'ebay' etc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: many lulzy finds. for instance, anthracene ( from coal ) is still the all-time champ. BUT you can't buy it in proper crystal, other than su-manufactured on 'ebay' !
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm really enjoying the notes from scintillator quest
asciilifeform: in other lulz (sequel to earlier film) -- https://topspb.tv/news/2017/04/19/v-moskve-zaderzhali-brata-vozmozhnogo-organizatora-terakta-v-metro-peterburga .
asciilifeform: (high self-noise floor, which in any other application is a downer. but in this one -- not.)
asciilifeform: anyway in this application it ain't 'the best' scintillator that wins, but specifically lyso -- because it is own gamma source.
asciilifeform: ^ the numberz which refer to commercially-available items -- seem to agree with the vendors'.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, http://scintillator.lbl.gov << Official!111 american list of scintillators, with lit. citations.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why sci-fi is pulp rather than literature.
mircea_popescu: pity, the anti-ram stick had such great sci-fi power.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: then again i did no math for this expect.
asciilifeform: the holes are often permanent.
mircea_popescu: anti-ecc ram. "we guarantee no bits can be read as they were stored!"
asciilifeform: you don't want to zap the deterministic parts.
mircea_popescu: nah, just make ram stick with lyso instead of doped si, then read it normally.
asciilifeform: one of the items on asciilifeform's back burner recently has been to properly test various variants of this.
asciilifeform: traditional geiger tubes, i rejected for this ( they 1) wear out quickly 2) require ~1kV dc, which has to come out of an oscillating boost converter 3) need very energetic photon to work, which means collecting radioactive crud locally, you typically won't be able to post it )
asciilifeform: the straightest way to rngize decay is to count ticks (shorter -- better) between decays, and then vonneumannize.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the ultimate rng pump. "We have this array of matter -- think memory stick. at every given tick, each either decays or doesn't. tick here has no physical meaning, it can be shorter than measurable irrespective of measuring mechanism"
asciilifeform: quite possibly we have usg/ru/etc. Official nyook-paranoia (detectors everywhere) mania to thank for the cheap lyso.
asciilifeform: just sittin' there.
mod6: ok, collecting another ~1Gb, this time using iflag=fullblock
asciilifeform: in other noose, i have a quote from chinese crystal grower, 3x3x10mm LYSO crystals @ ~8 usd ea.
asciilifeform: would exceed this value 50.00 percent of the times.
mod6: Framedragger: alf's discovery of the padding flag wasn't found until after i had started this collection.
asciilifeform: ( 'weakness lottery' in the 'hungrier' stats. )
mod6: Alright asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et. al. Here's the 3rd run of the dh & ent against the third collection of ~1.1Gb of entropy. http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run3.txt
BingoBoingo: Perhaps you haven't landscaped in enough ambushes and other tactical features for cats to enjoy.
asciilifeform: them squirrels aren't eating rubbish, no.
BingoBoingo: they just produce too much food for the breeding vermin and cats simply lack time, or scale of vermin problem is bad for cat morale?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because cats are spree killers whose thrill hunger exceeds their food hunger
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't seen cat since last year. Crediting kill to cat based on there being parts not eaten.
asciilifeform: ( then again, i have no accurate idea, perhaps without cats it would be wholly unmanageable )
asciilifeform: i have half dozen living in the underbrush here and they dun seem to make any palpable dent in the tree rat problem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: in related news, Last night I saw a baby bunny hopping through the yard adorably darting in and out of cover. This morning I find bits of baby bunny fur scattered in a narrow open area between structures. Cat 1 Breeders 0
asciilifeform: because assessing scummitude -- of man, or entire empire -- does not require 'eating the whole egg'.
asciilifeform: incidentally this was the very substance of , iirc, nixon's argument to somebody re why he ought to bow. 'you don't have access to the mega-seekritz, how can you know that i am scum'
asciilifeform: the alternative is what, exactly ? bow and to suck the cock of his holiness obummer ?
mircea_popescu: ie, in tl;dr terms : shooting for an inexistent crime the only politician who provably did not engage in it this century.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646126 << this, incidentally, is SHOCKINGLY false. when polling the rat in the box, his clue as to how the empire is being run is very very nil. i get this is counterintuitive, but get this : romanians thought the same "common sense" nonsense and ended up with http://trilema.com/2011/procesul-ceausescu/
mircea_popescu: (this is not necessarily speaking of catastrophe -- humans are much more likely to progressively mutilate themselves into unrecognizability than to just extinct)
mircea_popescu: point of fact, they prolly made it for longer than humans will.
asciilifeform: ( it was surprising in vs . mice! not in the absolute. rodents are pretty interesting imho. )
mircea_popescu: in the sense computer "is deterministic machine", so is human brain. "oh OF COURSE he'll get out of rain, what!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q of 'live there people sufficiently non-stupid to make alternative' is separate from 'is there alternative'
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is in the process of exterminating some squirrels and finding them to be surprisingly clever )
mircea_popescu: and don't open the pandora's box of "imagine" lest you fall under a hail of arrows wrt irl "alternatives" in compouting.
mircea_popescu: of course there's alternative. what the fuck do you suppose a classical education is for ?
mircea_popescu: this is what the psychology crowd wants to sell, at any rate.
asciilifeform: 'meat' methods in comp engineering are not objectionable because 'meat methods', approximations, but because there is ALTERNATIVE there.
mircea_popescu: moreover here's a different spot of trouble -- suppose a-friend-who-is-not-me has the remarkable bad fortune of beign crowned/acclaimed god-emperor of everything. did thereby his previous a-ok "long hand" now become a very unok "empire" and consequently he's supposed to do what ? leave them behind and move over to washington to be trumped ? or how's the logic here work.
mircea_popescu: (the "our democracy" religious-science needed some weird.)(
asciilifeform: there sure was an empire.
mircea_popescu: so the 1k or so transgender freaks got a seat at the table, mostly for religious reasons
mircea_popescu: 2004, you recall, wash bush, and a very power hungry and not yet paintsuited abomination running up and down the country trying to create some sort of "future democrat alliance"
asciilifeform: 'In the Spring of 2003, J. Michael Bailey...'
mircea_popescu: or whatever they called that low rent ny pub where faggots for the first time fought back against the pigs.
mircea_popescu: at the time -- this was no empire. it's more or less the transgender stonewall inn moment
asciilifeform: the pistol -- does not.
asciilifeform: the one where the latter weapon is 'ecologically' catastrophic, in that it fattens the empire.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not see diff b/w 'getting' a d00d shot with mircea_popescu's very long hand, vs campaigning to have d00d declared 'enemy of the people' with kgb anon denunciations ?
asciilifeform: ( i read his b00k, but have ~0 position on his crackpottery 1 way or another. this is about something quite else. )
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware there's a something awful that twenty years ago used to be a sort of cat-v for socialist tards etcetera. yes i'm aware the "climate science" pseudoscientards had some mailing list they coordinated their nonsense on etc.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you also are mixing in a personal "kgb == gender activism in the us", which...
asciilifeform: ratted ? then -- rat.
mircea_popescu: well yes, this much we had half hour ago. the whys dun seem to be working out too well though.
mircea_popescu: a world where "the superior with the superior and the inferior with the inferior" is the ideal female world of flat hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the superior can not be discredited from engaging the inferior on his own terms ; because THE ONLY POINT of superiority is that the superior gets to choose whether to superior or inferior, whereas the inferior gets no such choice, but must inferior.
asciilifeform: 'discredit' is the mental equiv. of negrate, 'set bozo bit', a very personal matter.
mircea_popescu: this discreditation theory is what well-meaning old jewish women teach entirely useless jewish boys, for the purpose of having jewish girls running around naked.
mircea_popescu: suppose we're at cinema and crack whore walks by. if i fuck her, discredited ? suppose crack whore's son/father/husband walks by and i crack him one, for some reason or no reason at all. discredited ?
mircea_popescu: so then. am i thereby discredited, slavegirl will say "oh, i only want pencildick masters ?"
mircea_popescu: let us bring the matter to a trilema article. you've read the definition of the romanian expression "pai nu?" ?