asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also
mircea_popescu: within the minute anyways
diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
mircea_popescu: not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.
mircea_popescu: the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.
billymg: looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
BingoBoingo: Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.
BingoBoingo: Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.
BingoBoingo: The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE!
BingoBoingo: Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...
BingoBoingo: Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.
BingoBoingo: Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.
BingoBoingo: Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"
mircea_popescu: why don't they, anyway ?
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.
mircea_popescu: the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that.
mircea_popescu: it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.
BingoBoingo: The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.
mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,
mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING
BingoBoingo: The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.
BingoBoingo: If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.
BingoBoingo: And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.
mircea_popescu: inb4 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ hurr durr v2.0
BingoBoingo: ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
spyked: ircbot-handle-pong, that is.
spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong
mircea_popescu: speaking of "consequences of bad software", the mars polar lander is suspiciously never mentioned.
mircea_popescu: i find it really satisfyingly funny, the sort of problems we manage to trivially summon
diana_coman: at least as long as nobody cites the bots.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:33:42 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:18:11 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i have to a workable idea for this is a ~semi~-automatic item that'd eat N dbs and display, to operator, the divergence points, and propose all possible cuts for how to resolve; then select one.
asciilifeform: eventually ~will~ come the time when to reconstitute 100% proper picture gotta actually walk N db's .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
diana_coman: the above mainly because it's a cleaner solution i.e. no more sed on the db dump (re db user I simply changed manually precisely *that* and not touched any log lines)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: in the end I did use your most recent dump, thank you.
asciilifeform: 'new jersey philosophy', right, where 'hey it's good enuff, and if turns out not, let ~others~ clean up'. same way as email 'was goodenuff', from the idjit designer's pov, until spam, then suddenly 'what's yer problem with moving to walled gul^H^H^Hgarden, terrorist, will work there as before'. ditto irc.
asciilifeform: re 'why the fuck bot doesn't see own output' -- mircea_popescu had a piece re the idjicy of 'nat' , where same, q of 'what is my ip' becomes suddenly irresolvable w/out external help. i suspect in both cases 'sleep of reason breeds monsters', no one even considered to fucking think.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally -- as gedankenexperiment -- even 1980s irc ~could~ have been built so as to force a sync. simply force erry issued line to carry a checksum of the prev. seen. and if wrong -- you get eggog back, and asked to resend. but no one was even giving a nanoshit about 'agree on order' etc, quite obviously )
asciilifeform: the 'upgrades' are obv. product of 2nd bottle of whiskey.
mircea_popescu: the original. hence n upgrades, mentioned recently.
mircea_popescu: such wunderbar winful scheme, it's a fucking wonder they didn't come up with it / use it
mircea_popescu: so yeah. weird baked in. (gossipd, obviously, will not have the problem, everyone'll hear "here's what you allededly said" from multiple sources)
mircea_popescu: we ~could~ have a rule asking bots to log themselves as they receive the echo rather than as they send the line ; but that'd only work in a sane world where it echos, afaik irc does not
asciilifeform: i already despaired in re the very idea of 'synced time' ; but this is in re absolute ordering.
mircea_popescu: alright, but that's different, specifically in that there's no god-given time
asciilifeform: re 'the beast' -- already unleashed is the beast of variant line ordering (bots will log their own output prior to any other's, per the current scheme, and it is not obvious what -- if anything -- could or even should be done about this )
asciilifeform: *then so
asciilifeform: maybe -- not. but as i understand if the above can be had, than so -- later -- could this.
asciilifeform: imho the bare essential function is when the urls can be made interchangeable such that if 1 fails, can swap in /etc/hosts and carry on civilized conversation until it is fixed; errything other than this, is luxury.
asciilifeform: let's suppose not even want this. still imho oughta maintain sync, where #1234 goes to same thing in ea. machine. otherwise the loggers are not in fact plug-in redundant backups for 1 another .
asciilifeform: the old links are dead !
asciilifeform: imho line rewriting is Wrong Thing entirely. errybody oughta have identical (to extent possible) db. q was re ~display~ in www , i.e. where the links point.
asciilifeform: so that knob (not implemented yet) becomes just about worthless even in principle. but this is only tip of iceberg -- if the db's diverge arbitrarily, how wouldja go about syncing gaps, other than by hand.
mircea_popescu: yes. so what, they work if same logger is used.
asciilifeform: the arrows that point to downstream (and correspondingly, upstream) refs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if had ...logger-a/log/trilema/.../#12345... and ...logger-b/log/trilema/.../#12345... go to same place, then their www can reliably point all links to self ( for e.g. backlinkage , when implemented) otherwise not
asciilifeform: imho mircea_popescu was right about this, gotta write it or otherwise will go in circles 4evah
mod6: (Mainly follows what I talked about in the logs a couple of days ago.)
mod6: Good Afternoon, Foundation Statement for August: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-September/000338.html
asciilifeform: hm so for which was it ? why did the dump need to be sed'd ?
diana_coman: and I don't see any need to change the urls anyway
asciilifeform: hm i was thinking diana_coman actually ran 'sed' on the db dump
asciilifeform: diana_coman if you want snsabot url's to point to your www, imho the correct method, is this, rather than to actually alter db
asciilifeform: currently era 1 has not been eaten, it is pending a pill for the clock diff grrr
asciilifeform fwiw has not yet manually fiddled the db in any way -- i.e. phf's imports are as they were found. the 1 'hand' fix was when dropped the botched eat of #e and reran w/ lobbes's corrected eater.py . but all url's are as-they-were atm.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: me being silly really; your dump has nsabot user, my db has ossabot so I did stupidly a blind replace, didn't think of the name in the log
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 21:16:41 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 15:53:56 ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 03:44:26 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
asciilifeform: seems like this happened from the colouration fix : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932965
asciilifeform: ossabot: check your nick = .... in the conf
asciilifeform: imho that thing oughta be standard item in pc. gives clean, stable fundamental freq from which can run pll, incl. the 1 for cpu clock, in principle.
asciilifeform: re that thrd, asciilifeform prolly will succumb to temptation to buy rubidium clock ( they're apparently laffably cheap, 100-200 bux or so, massive pile of surplus from gsm towers ) but this aint a solution as such, i aint about to ask ~erryone~ to buy one and build the 10mhz-to-pc-clock box for same. asciilifeform is simply tired of his own clocks drifting all over.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:09:04 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931384 << what's the url you want to have? possibly doable as apache-level URL rewrite
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thread re the latter
asciilifeform: not to mention the horror with the dates ( it is not difficult to find lines that e.g. snsabot will quote correctly, but ossabot not, and in reverse, on acct of clock diff )
asciilifeform: ( for that matter, asciilifeform still not attempted to correct divergence vs. phf's bot, which came from the uniturds crapola 3w ago )
asciilifeform: the divergence thing is gonna back backlinkage implementation very painful
asciilifeform: nao if could think of how to cleanly fix these... to make the bot echoes actually interchangeable, as they oughta be
diana_coman: thank you for the hunt !
asciilifeform manually walked the log-raw/ dumps, found
asciilifeform: divergence happened at birth of ossabot , the 1st time it was asked to speak
asciilifeform: recall that bots are 'deaf' to own output, so there is no, afaik, pill against this
asciilifeform: this accts for the extra lines.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 03:44:26 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 03:28:55 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, the indices though seem out of sync earlier
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 04:55:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it dun affect the logger bot.
mircea_popescu: one of these days ima notice one of these in time to actually stick some lines in the silence
asciilifeform: lobbes: why not. just dun get close enuff where she can re-inject the toxoplasma and make you into zombie..
trinque: listen if the cops don't show up it's not a trinquian solution!11!1
lobbes: asciilifeform: is indeed ejected girly. Didn't come to having to call police it seems; she got the message
lobbes: the drive through west virginia is beautiful
asciilifeform: lobbes: the ejected girly , that is ?
lobbes: good good. About to depart for a road-trip (roughly 1200 miles of drivin' in the next 48 hours), so I'll be away from terminal for a spell
asciilifeform: ( imho as far as these go, not even unfounded, a. crowned, after all, gorby )
asciilifeform: there's an entire school of crackpottery that andropov was 'manchurian candidate', grown by finn 'machiavelli' otto kuusinen .
mircea_popescu: the area is populated, like in europe, not wilderness, like in the us. there's a church within a day's walk in whichever direction
mircea_popescu: well i mean... we ate there. seated even
asciilifeform: seems like bear's country, eh. ( is there even anyffin man-made in those parts , other than that autobahn ? )
mircea_popescu: this is one of a bunch, actually. we even saw a hedgehog cross the road towards sunset
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a++ bear btw. ( supposedly there is a bear in east usa, but i've never seen. even the 1 in the zoo, seems to have died 20y ago )
asciilifeform still has a chinese, circa '70 or so, towel, hanging, bought by ancestors in trip to ro. they're ~eternal.
mircea_popescu: the logical move'd have been to take capital to brasov, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- the only good army in the country (4th transylvania, stationed around cluj and made up of you know, mountain folk) kinda away from bucharest
mircea_popescu: ie, romanians never thought very much of russkis. nfi why and wherefore, but it's a historical fact. making their current thinking the world of ustards even more shocking.
mircea_popescu: not to mention, telling the idiots they were idiots re czech, and besides... even when gorbi took over ceausescu saw him more like an inept son figure than anythign
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, whole nixon stuff in the 70s
mircea_popescu: nfi how the logic went, trivial to bomb out of existence, most of it is being bombed out of existence by yearly rains
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in utterly mindblowing meta : nutaku.net/games/7-angels is a... game that... well... it simulates dating. for the people for whom the normal simulated dating apps ain't simulacrous enough, they have the next step over.
mircea_popescu: very hard to match the comfort of a haremcar in any plane/train etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc one of the best serpentine roads in the world, it's a wonder they didn't simply close it and rent it out for motorcycling events
asciilifeform: also wondered, who and why drives there, when europistan has proper trains, cheap planes
asciilifeform: lol i was half-expecting to see ventilation shaft of fuhrerbunker somewhere in them cobblestones.
trinque: holy fuck, the buildings are literally sleepy, lol.
mircea_popescu: in other news, man it feels gooood to write/publish a new article. i actually enjoy it way the fuck more than meeting a new girl -- on average.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/my-weekend-adventure-including-the-answer-to-the-florimund-riddle-bears-how-brasov-got-itself-banned-but-romania-altogether-not-just-yet-assorted-derisions-and-aspersions-as-well-as-no-sexually/ << Trilema -- My weekend adventure. Including the answer to the Florimund riddle, bears, how Brasov got itself banned (but Romania altogether not just yet), assorted derisions and aspersions as well as no sexually explici
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 17:59:34 asciilifeform: from this log, it would imho not be a mistake to say that there are approx 200 boxen that could be described as btc nodes . the rest -- are https://www.oglaf.com/humans/ .
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
lobbes: hint: even though the "mod_proxy" wasn't showing up via the "apache2 -M" dump, nor in my modules.d configs... it, apparently, works anyway? Idk I'm sleep deprived nao; off to bed
lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
lobbes: still need to: 1) test a bit more 2) import data dumps 3) get bot in all of the chans
lobbes: alighty, I got the "bare-bones" logotron up and running (just in test chans atm): http://logs.ericbenevides.com
asciilifeform: trinque: i doubt this is the cause, mine lives on a box w/ quite heavy load, and so far 0 disconnects to date (aside from coupla hand restarts)
trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik it can, but needs coaxing to set the baud.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> a standard FG usb uartron can be used to talk to rk << Can it? You had me order a uart shipped here from the pastoral countryside
asciilifeform: trinque if you encounter any grrr re rk, put in the log, i'ma answer asap.
asciilifeform: trinque: the linked recipe gives you the closest thing there was to a working gentoo circa '18 .
trinque goes to fire up the little guys
asciilifeform: trinque: then i have nfi whose
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness -- if anyone has a trb that aint in my addnode ( the piz nodes -- already are in ) and would like it included -- plox to comment.
asciilifeform: the 3rd, still seems to be a noad, of some description. just, catches no mice.
asciilifeform: the 1st dun answer on 8333 nomoar.
asciilifeform: the 2nd in this set, dun even ping nomoar.
asciilifeform: here's 1 moar tidbit : 172.86.178.46 , 216.151.13.77 , and 91.218.246.31 appear in zoolag's -addnode list but have NOT supplied 1 single block in the entire period represented in above log !!!
asciilifeform: the rest -- i have nfi
asciilifeform waves to the lurker from argentina searching asciilifeform's log for 'learn ru'
BingoBoingo: In the end humans on the internet fits in the Dunbar number while "humans" on the internet are uncountably prolific
asciilifeform: anyone else running a trb w/ 'who-gave' -- invited to publish theirs .
asciilifeform: entirely possib. that the actual # is smaller yet -- some % of the 182 may be folx on dynamic ips, or since dead, or otherwise >1 to 1 ratio of ip in log to physically-alive machine .
asciilifeform: (i.e. as seen from the publicly-reachable net. )
asciilifeform: from this log, it would imho not be a mistake to say that there are approx 200 boxen that could be described as btc nodes . the rest -- are https://www.oglaf.com/humans/ .
asciilifeform: ( to be utterly pedantic : the however-many ~other~ peers, they got connected , ~were asked for next block~, and ~said 'fuckoff'~ ! )
asciilifeform: 5205 of these from piz alone .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 14:51:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and fwiw i suspect that the entire set of >7 nodes is 100% solid dross, and responsible for 0 block conveyance
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932644 << god damn, i suspect the client ate a line.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 17:25:44 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932588 << want this on the av list ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 01:58:05 lobbes: mod6: take it from me, please, the best thing I ever did was start blogging/writing things down/*expressing* myself. Only through this kind of reflection (and by this I mean analyzing the reasoning you used in the past for action and analyzing your reasoning for future action), and through the critical eye of others can that fog even start to clear
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932635 << lobbes sounds like he's found the light!
mircea_popescu: i recall going through the chans at some point , ~0 live material came up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've, what, iirc -- 7 ? working boxen left
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 23:38:39 asciilifeform: will be lulzy if we even end up with bigger net than fleanode, simply from the junk boxen people ~already~ have.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932588 << want this on the av list ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suggested mirrorism to mod6 cuz iirc it's the type of chore he's historically a++ in. as i understand lobbes is 99% of the way to 3rd logger , so not exactly burning , tru
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:52:11 asciilifeform: imho an orchestra of log mirrors / bot boxen is a notbad prelude to the eventual gossipdification .
asciilifeform: i can't imagine diana_coman is the only 1
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:48:20 asciilifeform: mod6: depending on whether you have a box where can run python & postgres, it is maybe 1-2hrs of sweat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932542 << let him focus on that one thing and get it done. doing 1-2 hour of sweat here and there little things is for when time is flowing to your advantage.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: go ahead and make a 'centos' in /contrib or where were these, in vtree, other folx may want'em
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:41:21 mod6: the important thing for me is that i'm resolved to not just sit around and wait for things to happen to me, re: 9-5 tarpit. im starting down a path of emacipation from that. might take some time, but not too much time.
diana_coman: the scripts for bot & reader are a bit iffier in that I couldn't test them (and they look different from asciilifeform's because of the python version on centos).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 13:24:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.
BingoBoingo: Anyways,my criticism of antisemites is they read way too much of each other's wank and not enough of what their target say to each other.
BingoBoingo: I don't see anything other than a martial interpretation of Argentinism (Modern Democracy) at work. Rah, Rah, We R Kool and God/IMFLoans/SovereignDefault/Buitres will indemnify our tribe in the end so long as we appear to go through the motions.
BingoBoingo: And here we are. It's 2019. The Chinese are big. Russia is selling a missile plus radar picket system designed to make "Shock and Awe" operations impossible. The first F-35 joint strike fighters become operational and http://qntra.net/2019/07/israelis-enthusiastically-burning-f-35s-stealth-window-with-strikes-now-in-iraq/
asciilifeform: 'why you fuck -- alive, while my father -- dead ??'
BingoBoingo: Well the text is a Holocaust survivor presenting: "Three Druze soldiers who served in Goldstein's battalion approached their commander and asked for another doctor to be stationed in their battalion, because they were afraid that Goldstein would refuse to treat them in case they were wounded. Because of their request Goldstein was reassigned to another battalion."
asciilifeform: ( tho folx who dun like what is in front of nose -- will happily bury selves in 'the books', or in pedopizza reddit, etc )
asciilifeform: sometimes, believe or not, answer is not 'in the book', but in front of nose.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho it's entirely reminiscent of anglo 'sovietologists' who tried to 'find out what makes them reds tick' by reading engels
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why I discount that space except for the folks inside that camp screaming "This is why they keep doing it to US!"
asciilifeform: searching for 'talmudic' underpinnings of curent il is a favourite, i'm aware, preoccupation of 'armchair archaeologists', in much the same spirit as 'pedo-pizza proofs'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps earnestly, yes. Then you fill up a strip of desert with refugees, tell them they have an identity. What do they do when they get the old books? They start cargo culting themselves into super special snowflakes. Being super special snowflakes together is the core of the US-Israel alliance.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~100% of the folx who gave rat's arse re 'talmudic tradition' went in the ovens. i.e. it has as much to do with the current 'unsinkable carrier' as the spew of thomas aquinas has to do with current usg.
BingoBoingo: Dr. Shahak covers certain aspects of the talmud/rabbinic tradition that don't get earnestly translated into English much with respect in ingroup/outgroup. Covers some specific aspects that get adopted as policy through unholy mixture of modern democracy and pre-internet missives on communications ethics.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re israel -- consider fact that stalin happily funded it, while it was -- briefly -- a bone in the throat of angloreich, rather than province in good standing of same
asciilifeform: south vietnam was gonna be on the list, but 'oops'
BingoBoingo: 1999 book by now deceased Israeli. Intro by Gore Vidal. Probably the best English language resource on why USG and Israel insist on suicide pacting together. https://archive.org/stream/JewishHistoryJewishReligion_665/JewishFundamentalismInIsrael_djvu.txt 1999 book by now deceased
asciilifeform: ( apropos of subj -- it is interesting to consider why 'tiananmen wank' is a thing in cn. the not-so-seekrit answer is that open discussion of subj would indeed cost the crowned heads their necks -- but ~not~ for 'ohnoez, killing protesters' -- but instead ~for having left any alive~. their 'grievances' included e.g. 'how dare pekin permit sons of peasants to enter university' . )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider, usg.dos et al dun seem to have any trouble finding bottomless supply of orcs quite ready to 'ponerse delante de las tanques' in the name of clitler.
BingoBoingo: At some point some of them realize there are tanks treads to evade for which there is no answer other than Mujica's "No hay que ponerse delante de las tanques"
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's 'and they won't yield' piece re subj.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody ever 'internalized worthlessness', they sit around w/ wagner an' cyanide and bloviate re their 'aryan superiority' even as the tanks wind'em up onto treads
BingoBoingo: Well USG.State still feels comfortable trying to throw the Cantonese speakers against the Mandarin speakers. Gotta wait for the white worms to internalize their worthlessness
asciilifeform: marx -- was wrong, i suspect, when wrote that 'for 200% profit, capitalist will sell mother; for 300% -- will go to almost certain noose'. he did not account for cowardice.
asciilifeform: it's already , likely, a +ev proposition. and the only thing preventing this nuke from firing, is the cowardice of the folx holding the detonator.
asciilifeform: as i understand , all that'd be needed to bring that shitshow to a permanent close, is a dozen or so blocks mined w/ '51%' thrust, containing the segshit unwinds.
asciilifeform: ( from my pov -- making the sig optional was ~the~ shitoshi design bug, all the other retardations are scarcely anything if stood in comparison to it )
BingoBoingo: Generally that is the object to allowing weeds to thrive. They choke out everything else.
asciilifeform: ... cuz they fucking aint nodes. they're enemy outputs that do strictly as little 'node-ing' as can get away with and still dupe idiots into operating.
asciilifeform: will add : survey of public nodez will also tell us something re the nonpublic ( unless the folx talking to these, took deliberate care to modify their public noad to avoid listing'em in the disgorged peer table )
asciilifeform: currently 0 is publicly known re the actual state of the net ( the heathen 'survey' www's are ~disinfo~, they deliberately conceal specifically the nodes we are interested in. )
asciilifeform: atm no one has the hands for this, sadly.
asciilifeform: the most helpful currently unavailable tool would be a troo and honest survey of publicly-reachable nodes of erry type. ( via port scan of ipv4 and subsequent interrogation , by properly-written proggy. )
asciilifeform: currently i lack the tools with which to solidly prove or refute this hypothesis. but fwiw have not yet encountered any clue which would contradict it.
asciilifeform: whereas the 4000 or however many pseudonodes making up the claimed heathen net -- simply get in the way.
asciilifeform: to formalize : asciilifeform's current hypothesis is that there is a thin 'tube' of trb-compat. nodes b/w pekin & trb orchestra. responsible for 100% of new blox.
asciilifeform: ( moreover, they issue it -- and get the ban -- a few msec after connecting. ergo they are responsible for 0 brought blox, and in fact we gain 0 from talking to them )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: think, this is elementary. as soon as they issue a 'bloomism' or similar cmd to a trb node -- they get malleus'd. and yet we still get blox in realtime for 6-7 months at a stretch.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and fwiw i suspect that the entire set of >7 nodes is 100% solid dross, and responsible for 0 block conveyance
BingoBoingo: I'm suspecting a lot of nodes on the intermediate PRB version numbers 0.8, 0.9, etc before peer-to-peer pki-ism are falling enough that we may have few bridges allowing communication between prb and trb
asciilifeform: the correct frequency with which situation 'trb node a is at height H, its peer trb node b is at H-k, for hour+' oughta happen, is ~never~
asciilifeform: i was speaking specifically of 'i ~know~ these people have x, so why do i only get x-10,x-9,... when connecting to'em and then nuffin' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'can only pull rabbit from hat if rabbit is in fact in the hat'(tm)
BingoBoingo: Well, I just restarted one ~15 minutes ago. Has yet to pull the missing block.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yest.'s episode cemented in my head the insufficiency of my orig. 'aggression' patch. i strongly suspect The Right Thing is some variant of ben's. with the orig., node eats 5-10 blox when connects to trb peers on restart, then the connections stable and gets nomoar for hours. whereas on ea. restart, in facts gets the 5-10.
BingoBoingo: And it looks like we have consecutive days of TRB constipation 592597 has yet to enter the canon