asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672334 << when asciilifeform thinks 'flyover usa' he thinks specifically of these 'beauties'
shinohai actually likes storms, besides the circuitry frying parts ,,,,
phf: and so castles made of sand, melts into the sea eventually
phf: mircea_popescu: so the server i was connected to rebooted (or something like that), and then i was sitting on reconnect for a bit, until i explicitly changed it to a different server. what was it doing?
mircea_popescu: doubles as either garbage propeller or garbage disposer ?
asciilifeform: i saw a tub of similar size, in the port, named 'ctrl-alt-del'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, orlol is selling his tub : http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/06/prince-kropotkin-is-for-sale.html
shinohai: /usr/bin/passwd and /usr/bin/chage (but it works against all other
ben_vulpes: in other "faces of meth": http://pamplinmedia.com/cr/24-news/363414-243949-ccso-woman-kidnapped-held-in-rv-for-12-hours-in-oak-grove
asciilifeform: or other goxers
asciilifeform: let's say, e.g., the privkeys of 'keybase' idiots
mircea_popescu: cluj is a city on the hill, going to colege there implies (or did at the time) 2 miles / day walked uphill... ah what times.
asciilifeform: hence the popularity of '16'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, the gurlz are typically fully-hatched zombies by 25
mircea_popescu skipped the whole fucking 16yos thing almost entirely. went from not giving shit about girls at 12 to doing 20somethings by 16.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-23 12:23 ascii_panama: some nonzero portion of socialistoidderp is 'revenge' of low-smv folks against the high. dan mocsny observed this and it is a hypothesis with some explanatory power.
mircea_popescu: check it out, dood had harem in the us!
asciilifeform: childrenz belong to the great inca, didjaknow, how dare d00d sell'em, etc
mircea_popescu: people love to think their dumb shit is their own, yet a kid who's never been touched will "by itself" behave exactly the same way as an adult all the time no exceptions.
asciilifeform: from also same rag, moar gold, 'A Pennsylvania man was convicted Tuesday of sexually assaulting six young sisters married off by their parents in return for financial support.... The verdict came almost a year after police said they found Kaplan living with 12 females at his Feasterville home, including an 18-year-old who prosecutors said was "gifted" to him after he provided financial support for her parents.' ( https://archive.is/x
asciilifeform: in other amerilulz from same rag, https://archive.is/Bxot3 >> 'In a report published Sunday, Pyongyang's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) accused US Department of Homeland Security officers and airport police of taking a diplomatic package away from the delegation, which it said carried a valid diplomatic courier certificate. KCNA called the incident "an illegal and heinous act of provocation," adding that US authorities b
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda how the shit works, huh.
mircea_popescu: an' they're leading it.
mircea_popescu: the whole "stigmatize criminal gang pretending to enforce law" is a true conceptual revolution, much more so than piddly efforts such as "destigmatize faggotry"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a pretty long list of things that being shot by police - beats
mircea_popescu: amusingly, black communities are the forward thinkers on this score.
hanbot: mircea_popescu if stigma successfully attached to law enforcement people'd have to stop mindlessly doing what they say, which might require thought, or worse yet, initiative, and meh pass the doritos.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
asciilifeform: '"It got to the point that he was apologizing to her, ... apologizing to her for not being dead yet,"' << lel
mircea_popescu: yet in the country where the idiots think "discussing your salary is a social faux pas", the social stigma still attaches to "accused of" rather than to "law" enforcement.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementarily, 'unless' - e.g. d00d shot by cops in his own house (plenty of these every week, and the white-skinned ones ~nobody documents in usa) gets neither judge nor jury, etc
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do anything, then you get.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless the unless, you get, sure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or "mandatory minimum".
hanbot: the rationale of which iirc was supposed to be that a judge would be less affected by her "bad attitude" in the texts or somesuch.
hanbot: mircea_popescu: no jury. they went with single judicial decision.
hanbot: "bullying", "psychotherapy", w/e
asciilifeform: the 'bullying' trials aha
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-19#1672255 << apparently saying the latter is now a criminal offense worthy of 20 years' time, in greatest country in the world.
mircea_popescu: yeah. then again history does not record all.
asciilifeform: well it doesn't. just like my garbage bags won't walk to the dump by themselves, even if asked politely.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the social media "red pill" is all about, and was born out of, purely ustardian "YOU TOO!!! could bla bla WITH THESE SECRETS I FOUND"
mircea_popescu: it's the only decent thing to do, and moreover an absolute moral obligation.
asciilifeform: ( see also mircea_popescu's '...bullying is done by normal, sane and upstanding humans who are trying to do their part so we don't live among monsters' -- http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as discussed, 100% of the whole "let live" ie, keep all the 8 males around is simply socialism support pillar. to have equality, gotta fetter manhood.
asciilifeform: the other bit is that 'i'll die a hunchback, but hey i have a shovel and can enhunchback my neighbour, he will share in the misery' is a 'logical' process. the spartans, i suspect, understood this, i.e. it is catastrophically stupid to 'live and let live' the deformed. esp. the mentally deformed.
mircea_popescu: of course they won't, but reality is not part of the lincoln thought process. as alf says, studiously not.
mircea_popescu: "maybe if i fuck up the republic / burn the temple, people will remember me for that rather than for being so ugly monkeys averted their eyes / having a really ridiculously small penis."
mircea_popescu: hey, there's lotsa little ugly misshod misborn lincolns out there. and what they do is wreck countries, to assuage the overpowering intuition of their own inadequate insufficiency.
mircea_popescu: trinque syria is little more than a firing range. used to be a country, but... went the way of the united states.
mircea_popescu: very neatly follows the 1980s / 1990s transition
asciilifeform: phf: also at a certain point 'they don't know about tmsr' evaporates and turns into 'they studiously ignore, like bernstein'
mircea_popescu: the "Death of the zine" generally is an interesting epiphenomen of the intellectual check-out the internet brought.
phf: i agree, there's only so many "we reversed this obscure tamagochi device" or "we figured out how to put SWF into a JPEG" articles one can read. but i just read it for the presentation. used to be a lot more zines in the late 90s early 2000s, so i suspect the whole poc||gtfo is a "thirsty man in the desert" thing
shinohai: Trump is supposed to make America great again ... deport the Asst. Prof. back to Turkey!
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with usoviet academiatards is that they "see the potential" in a very special definition of potential.
shinohai: Repeat of the DAO in 3...2..1 .......
asciilifeform: 'Bancor ended up reimplementing their own functions for arithmetic. That is, their own add, subtract, multiply, and exponentiation. ... The sum total number of dedicated tests for these math functions is 6. Multiplication is tested solely by multiplying 2957 by 1740.' << lulzy
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 15:14 mircea_popescu: the hanno boecks always work in the same cycle. feeder phase where they "seem reasonable" and chumpatron phase where they shed the half-hour-horizon idiots who bought it.
asciilifeform: and they're 20 year olds with two years of programming experience.'
asciilifeform: happen first, but A is guarded by B, and C ensures that B cannot happen." This is a temporal logic proof, over a certain code path. It's complex, fragile in the face of code evolution, and totally unacceptable in professional code development. We want flat, simple invariants, maintained by following best practices. Without regard for the correctness of the student's code, we grade such cases a 2 out of 10. They ought to know better,
asciilifeform: meanwhile, among the ethermonkeys, 'they have messy code paths, don't follow best practices, and happen to work by the skin of their teeth. The code works on a good day with the wind on its back. But when it comes to corner cases, things get awfully complex. In the course I teach, when I point out such situations to students, they go into a diatribe that goes "well, you see, the problem can't arise because for it to happen, A has to
mircea_popescu: of course, it depends how you count these things. international pantsuit party lost a buncha "invisible" planes to ru trained specialists working ru gear in eg serbia.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually if you recall, this is the 2nd such proclamation
mircea_popescu: orcs are slower on the uptake, because everyone alive in 2017 apparently reall;y believes all the shit mommy said while daddy was absent.
asciilifeform: ( this counting only the announced ones )
mircea_popescu: to date ? wtf to date they just announced.
asciilifeform: # of 'international komyoonity' planes shot down, to date there, afaik : 0
mircea_popescu: which from what i hear a LOT of generals in the ru army really wish to do.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the (vehehehery unlikely) alternative is that the usoviets blather in a warlike direction and as a result the russians beat the chinese to the punch of "first usoviet aircraft carrier sunk".
mircea_popescu: (and then act surprised when you don't follow!)
mircea_popescu: there's no lizard point of any things.
asciilifeform: wasn't half the point of the syria thing, from lizard pov, to test current ru equipment ..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prediction is, 0% actual sorties and lots of blather from west from now on.
asciilifeform: ( 'from this moment on, in the sky of syria, ru aviation will treat any aircraft belonging to the west's international-coalition, such as are found west of euphrates, as aerial targets'
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'впредь в районах выполнения боевых задач российской авиацией в небе над Сирией любые воздушные объекты международной коалиции к западу от реки Евфрат будут приниматься на сопровождение в качестве воздушных целей'
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170619/#34 << this reminds me -- current UK PM's response to "what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cdhaBfre0
mircea_popescu: there is no wayu you have a generator without an ups ?
asciilifeform: ( esp. if you have petrol-powered secondary backup mains -- these tend to have noisy output )
shinohai: I view it as another "what not to do" moment .... add research better surge protection to my todo list
mod6: just in case. we've been getting some weather up here too.
mod6: i did just have my trees cut back from the powerlines about a week ago.
shinohai: I had one of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/271259-American-Power-Conversion-P11VNT3?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&st-t=googleshopping-accessories&vt-k=&vt-mt=&vt-pti=271259&gclid=CjwKEAjw7J3KBRCxv93Q3KSukXQSJADzFzVSROXPxzL4bKeiiY_PGHPZyPoqaTvvhA5rVq9J58JvhBoCcGXw_wcB
shinohai: Yup ... blew up my whole cable modem, had to wait until Saturday for them to come replace.
mircea_popescu: shinohai crazy shit, it fried via the utp cable ?!
shinohai curses the surge protector that didn't do it's job
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
mod6: colo box? or was just at the spot?
shinohai: Looks like box running my trb node was a casualty of the storm ... fried nic despite my best efforts to revive.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
mircea_popescu: there's no spare energy for such stuff.
asciilifeform: there is something to this. asciilifeform usedto wurk with a buncha american d00dz, not all of whom even fatter than asciilifeform !, and they would not hear of the idea of ~walking~ to restaurant <1km from office
mircea_popescu: add various complex toxins in there for spice, and you got it.
mircea_popescu: the way to end up usflated is a) margerine (gunks up the fat cycle, body ends up dependent on citric cycle for energy) + processed starches (hfcs, potato, whatever)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting up from the terminal on occasion is good for people, it is one of the reasons asciilifeform doesn't hurry to automate various chores
asciilifeform: STILL NOT IN CONSTANT TIME because apparently mother dropped him as a child
asciilifeform: and then i look in shitpile of paperz and find that some d00d actually did this, called it 'subtractive karatsuba', used in some microcontroller,
asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india. << McDonalds or not, Beetus tends to run strong in Indian populations. Perhaps cow-ban is in response to earlier Mc-Hamplanet crisis on subcontinent?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-pulation-and-other-biodiversities/ << Trilema - The Pulation and other biodiversities.
mircea_popescu: and with them it's almost tolerable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the discussion has uncovered why exactly it is my bristles stand up. it'd be one thing if a sane place with a sane culture with respectable people churned out a "hey, chick didn't get married because the cups lolz" thing. THEN it would be funny.
asciilifeform: the 'technology' of the latter, is afaik still virginal subject ( unlike metallurgy )
mircea_popescu: yes, well, good thing they were writing complicated "thank you for your leadership" pieces of maculature!
mircea_popescu: but, honestly, there's older beefs. srsly, schmucks had steel in 900 and never made tanks ? why ?
asciilifeform: by and large, india today ain't exporting the j.c.bose's, no.
mircea_popescu: which has succeeded in one aspect : i see india, generally speaking, as a sort of latrine. probably because of these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the working-head hindus you might conceivably run into outside of india, were pushed out in 1970s-80s 'red' phase, when untouchables took over academia and had a sort of american-style 'diversity' shitfest
asciilifeform: the folx asking on 'shit overflow' re 'how do i make for loop plz dear Sir help' are the... other kind
asciilifeform: ( among owners reputed to stand for Buy Other Stereo Equipment ! )
mircea_popescu: well in that sense there's also a mr haagen-dazs. hangs out with mr r mcd.
asciilifeform: there's even a bose in usa, possibly alive today, sold overprices stereos
asciilifeform: yes what other bose, lel
asciilifeform: microwave transceivers in motherfucking 1880s
asciilifeform: there's no shortage
mircea_popescu: the national front dood ?!
asciilifeform: the brahmins, by and large, have working heads.
mircea_popescu: how many intelligent indians do you know ? and how many bagawan what's his face, the inept chicago "professor"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have doubts that they ran a closed-arsemouth production cycle. it'd show today.
mircea_popescu: but, if the lived experience of ghandi is any guide, the classical indians did not very pointedly distinguish daughters from wives.
diana_coman: sure, what of it; all of them were L-whatevers
diana_coman: at asciilifeform's link it even says it might have been his wife, not his daughter - so maybe it was more of a consolation/precisely the dedication thing I was saying earlier: too busy to fuck, I wrote this book
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there is that i guesd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india.
mircea_popescu: nah cuz the vessel comes with a seal (and yes, the inspiration for babylonian trade, the seals, and amphorae was DEFINITELY the cunt). you can claim it wasn't tried or that it didn't work, these aren't confoundable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lesse what BingoBoingo says re whether ~all~ 'princesses' 'grip the same from behind'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they all grip the same from behind. ugly prevented no princess to date.
diana_coman: I really think you are reading too much into it; the way I see the thing it's basically a dedication; inept like all dedications if analysed but wtf is there to analyse in the first place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alt-hypothesis -- princess ugly, 'cup system' -- rationalization of the 0 bidders...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so let her father bring men home rather than write inept shit (which nevertheless was better than whatever europe had, or kamchatka for that matter, peninsulae nobody heard of)
diana_coman: that's the thing: she had value, not to be wasted /given away to any bum who s/he fell like fucking on the day
mircea_popescu: and this is also the root and beginning of all insanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes because the human cattle aspires to one thing above all, and that is to be relieved of the downside of agency while getting to keep on the sly as much as possible of the upside.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yet stories of 'the cups told' abound
diana_coman: I can't say I studied the time+culture of the guy to know, perhaps mircea_popescu knows better what he is talking about; it sounds really highly unlikely to me that it was the case that woman could just go and fuck, hurray, but whatevers
mircea_popescu: it is ANOTHER thing to go on about how the cups told you what to do and the spirits and the moasa-sa pe gheata.
mircea_popescu: it's annoying to high heavens. it's one thing to show up at your wedding and go "what a great day for a wedding, let's have two!" and force your first maid into marriage with some randomlty chosen guy. it's the same thing to say "fuck this shit, i don't feel like getting married today, go home all of youze".
asciilifeform: so there's that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1source of the story seems to be the farsi translator (16th c) of the text
mircea_popescu: diana_coman indians tho, these aren't wanna-be anglo muslims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreover, i am not familiar with the story, nor with the culture, likely reading too much / wrong things into it.
diana_coman: ugh, in the right conditions though, not exactly in all cases
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i know of no culture outside of the chtonic-inspired anglos who deemed pregnancy as a negative.
mircea_popescu: but seriously, wtf knowledge is it needed to stuff the plug into the prelubricated hole ?
mircea_popescu: but let the record reflect that it strikes me as the height of batshit insane psychosis to fail to fuck and then misappropriate mathematics into one's psychosis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually $subj is pretty good manual. beat the living shit out of what europe had going at the time ( and until end of 16th c, in some aspects )
mircea_popescu: mathematics manuals and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: and since about the invention of writing, so every perverse tard can note down his insanity for later perverse tards to apply.
diana_coman: so if they were impressed it follows it wasn't normal? lolz
asciilifeform: afaik the ancients actually bought the 'propitious time' thing. it was as real to them as 'launch at the right transit time of the orbits' is to modern rocketeer
diana_coman: uhm, the doctor story is weird re impressed but maybe that was the point of the visit for all I know
mircea_popescu: if you get aroused, fuck. what the fuck is a marriage to begin with, let alone "propitious hours" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman when i was about three, they took me to a doctor. it was like a kinda mysterios affair, and it made no sense as i was not sick. the doctor asked me what do i do if i'm hungry ? and i told him i eat. he then asked me what do i do if i'm sleepy, and i said i go to bed. that was it, and everyone was impressed because apparently no fucking kids ever have any sense left.
mircea_popescu: the stories of people who cared too much.
asciilifeform: When everything was ready and the cup was placed in the vessel, Lilavati suddenly out of curiosity bent over the vessel and a pearl from her dress fell into the cup and blocked the hole in it. The lucky hour passed without the cup sinking. Bhaskaracharya believed that the way to console his dejected daughter, who now would never get married, was to write her a manual of mathematics!'
asciilifeform: 'Lilavati was the name of Bhaskaracharya's daughter. From casting her horoscope, he discovered that the auspicious time for her wedding would be a particular hour on a certain day. He placed a cup with a small hole at the bottom of the vessel filled with water, arranged so that the cup would sink at the beginning of the propitious hour.
asciilifeform: ( http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/Biographies/Bhaskara_II.html << subj, for the intrepid )
asciilifeform: in other olds, ''Whilst making love a necklace broke. / A row of pearls mislaid. / One sixth fell to the floor. / One fifth upon the bed.'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the rancho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2491ae09fbc9361bd6075e778b5be581/tumblr_inline_odvi78kjch1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:43 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671900 << every time i see these, immediately think of those ww2 'surrender nao' leaflets
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: now there's an idea!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:25 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 19:58 mircea_popescu: and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
deedbot: pete_dushenski unrated thenewdeal.
mircea_popescu: and in other heave ho, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ea2cd2db7dabd83315e29dc91f699ed/tumblr_n076qcU9th1tnale6o1_400.gif
mod6: That reminds me too -- I need to go through and cleanout my wot one of these days.
pete_dushenski: to be sure. and the rest flows from there. like there's always a peak of a waterfall or the top of a mountain. nature paints certain portraits over and over.
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of kids on any schoolyard : those who know you're better than them and admit it, and those who know you're better than them and will have to be beaten into shit because of it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what's the poor schmuck goin to say, "dolalr is worthless and we're all fucked, all hail mp" ?
pete_dushenski: speaking of "alts" it somehow escaped my attention until yesterday (or perhaps this particular lulzbit went in one ear and out the other) but did you know that there's no cap on the maximum number of ether ?
pete_dushenski: david siegel doesn't provide any reasons why wealthy people want to be poor like him and his readers because he doesn't need to. neither he nor his readers can imagine anyone that doesn't want to be on the forefront of the cryptocurrency revolution JUST LIKE THEM
pete_dushenski: "Any early bitcoin miner or investor now has thousands of bitcoins. Most are Chinese. Each 500 bitcoins is $1 million. These “bitcoin whales” are now very wealthy. They would like to reduce their exposure to bitcoin" << bwahaha this is what passes of "op-ed" in non-qntra circles.
pete_dushenski: in other expanded vocabularies, https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/dea-drug-slang-code-words-may2017.pdf
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not yet. pretty much struck out on heathen osen (osx and openbsd) and my linuxbox is mid-rebuild. replacing fans and having a hell of a time finding screws that fit the deeper "noctua" units. it's still on the list but not there yet.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that's really the on;y thing you need it for anyway
mircea_popescu: at least it gives the prostitutes something to yak about other than "i has found satoshee"
BingoBoingo: TO THE BEETUS!
mircea_popescu: time flies like an arrow, but ether flies like fruit flies.
mircea_popescu: how teh ethereum flies...
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/today-is-the-first-anniversary-of-dao-emptying-ethereum-attack/ << Qntra - Today Is The First Anniversary of "DAO Emptying" Ethereum Attack
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's theme, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0c76d6bf31a35aa19f9a07ca5caf07c9/tumblr_inline_odvi73TNNK1u1xzy9_1280.jpg
sina: what a first link to click after exiting the shower
shinohai was trying to find the reference to project Habakkuk determining that a single horsepower motor could keep a vessel made of pykrete refrigerated .....
mircea_popescu: wisely spoken, because here's the torpedoes it shoots : http://68.media.tumblr.com/b990c1ef2101a1a8954a7067c1e8e97f/tumblr_od05y7idhS1uf4nugo2_400.gif
sina: nothing further to report
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671691 << surely the commander will be defrocked for this, nobody watching the fucking blinking lights?
mircea_popescu: and in other anatomical incorrectness, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ad672e5db403ab7045a6d4bf4a735115/tumblr_nsxmz3hphV1rutinco1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: but prolly more of a northern clime thijng
BingoBoingo: It does do well for very dense patches, but hard to make a monoculture lawn out of it, because with the sligtest change in grade or soil, patch ends
mircea_popescu: thaty's the idea, it shades well so it dominates if installed properly. and it never grows over coupla inches.
BingoBoingo: clover's not so aggressive weeds can't grow through it and it is on the kill list of all the selective weed killers
asciilifeform: funnily, i could easily afford, say, a gardener, but refuse to pay the equivalent of 8 gardeners so that obummercare and shameekas.
asciilifeform: the only actual solution is to leave the accursed jail. but so far aint got to where.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still not magic pill, the weeds happily grow in it, even taller than the grass per se
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds like the solution to your problem would be bonzai grass.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can find me an agentorange where the bloody shit STAYS GREEN 4evah, i'll buy for its weight in silver.
BingoBoingo: There's still reel mower as long as you can get traction on your turf
mircea_popescu: great for your back, and from experience as fast as the crapomachines
mircea_popescu: try a scythe
asciilifeform: the humble grass cutter went the way of the pc -- you get to choose between affordable rubbish and 'must amortize and work this for pay' golden toilet
asciilifeform: the petrol-engined things, aside from vibration ( can't use my hands for day+ after ) and acrid smoke , also made of shit, i've thrown out 2 (after attempting various orc repairs, cleaned carb etc) in frustration
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these work great maybe in sane house where ground is straight and not 1,001 items for cord to catch
asciilifeform: story gets even moar pathetic, the battery (i shit thee not) died in my 'furca' for 2nd time today
mircea_popescu: there's nothing natural abou city hall.
mircea_popescu: was there, also man with flamethrower
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has not read the story of hyenas and haggling i take it :D
asciilifeform: esp if the latter worked on city hall et al
mircea_popescu: contrary to what undersexed young men may think, the prime utility of the harem also.
mircea_popescu: but yes, upstack : the ability to say "here, do this. ok, you'll be doing this from now on until further orders" is invaluable.
mircea_popescu: not accidentally, either!
mircea_popescu did some grass cutting, enjoyed being out with the trees
asciilifeform: ( they are right here, as we speak, devouring )
asciilifeform: somehow it is not permitted to have houses reasonable distance apart from one another, without bunch of green liquishit in the middle
asciilifeform: actually problem is the theme park of usa 'suburbia' demands this peculiar prop, 'mass of grass'
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem is excess of services amoratizing 10-50 kilodollar monsters and few amoratizing 21" machines
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live << The is lawnmowing service since the exit of children is priced based on amoritization of mowing equipment
mircea_popescu: all my shit goes back to all my olther shit, it's crazy. i was just contemplating this earlier.
asciilifeform: sorta goes back to mircea_popescu's 'who gets to bend around the schedule of what' item
asciilifeform: the only offered variant is 'subscription and it happens during business hours when you, idiot, are sitting in the room an' trying to work'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: not if you let it go for ~year << That isn't mowing. That is harvesting hay. Hope the crop was dry.
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live
BingoBoingo: Come on it's a standardized 30-45 minute task or your lawnmower is the wrong size