(trilema) ben_vulpes: aok, /enter/ not /esc/
(trilema) ben_vulpes stabs buttons at random
(trilema) ben_vulpes: collapsing it did not undo the expansion
(trilema) ben_vulpes: expanding details on the cert in chrome expanded the pane off the bottom of my screen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh that's nice
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/the-politics-of-bitcoin << dat cert do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa howdy mthreat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just a classic 'how to make a peanut butter sandwich' instructional piece
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wutno
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mega promisetronics in urbit docs: informal conventions designed to motivate a healthy ownership structure "
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aw man i pooped in the logs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the âlarge majorityâ of the rise was driven by births to foreign-born women."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the root of "build one to throw away"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-planetary-model-of-software-development/#selection-483.79-483.279 << a zillion times this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ohai BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fucking deep space you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i resent being used to make this point.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "if freed from mortal constraints"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatEVER
(trilema) ben_vulpes: omg cheater
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cheater!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that makes no sense.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, your bird is moving at 9km/s by virtue of being in what, geosync?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're providing all the angular speed by virtue of being in orbit!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no way it spins fast enough to track and pop something coming straight up.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i throw it up. straight up. just in time for your railgun to go sailing through a relatively stationary cloud of shrapnel.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, ballistically. not at orbital speeds.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what materials strengths issues do i suffer in heaving them up there?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm seeing buckshot in orbit where a target will pass in the next 2 seconds.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if one's to consider the orbital-kinetic weapon, why bother accelerating the pellets when one could simply ballistically heave them into the path of the enemy sats?
(trilema) ben_vulpes is more than happy to slowly melt panels and controllers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: power dropoff between emitter and absorber?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes, carry on
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ho ho ho okay i see where this is going
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am more interested in the "never get close enough"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha, you may
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're far better at the fudgestimations, so plz to lead
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that is a claim,
(trilema) ben_vulpes: either microwaves or a uv laser.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 15 identical sats beat the crap out of a single sat with one finnicky fucking railgun on it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have another bird in that hemisphere at that time!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no moving costs, no stationkeeping costs incurred from firing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: em is going to be a far simpler engineering challenge.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no contest but that stationkeeping cost grows steeply, quickly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the stationkeeping fuel budget will be...expensive.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: getting the bb into the right spot with the right delta v either means shooting it from the orbital platform or letting it accelerate itself, no?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: newtons 1st, see quadcopter/shotgun thread
(trilema) ben_vulpes: y'actually are going to want lasers or microwaves in orbit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wake me up when they coat benches along feral ave with it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh, it's a mass-produced plastic thing at this point
(trilema) ben_vulpes: THEY WILL BE AWESOME
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BUT WE HAVE RAILGUNS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: self steering, y'see
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: but imagine a really really large KE mortar
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: nominalluy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: howso?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: errors be damned
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they'll just go for the ballistic approach
(trilema) ben_vulpes: didn't we have this thread?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i dun see how one can place slugs accurately
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: cool /how/?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/22/palmer-luckey-the-facebook-billionaire-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html << already cool
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i know that salver is a dish and that salivate is to drool, and was dead convinced that "slaver" was "to drool" but congugated
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have used the wrong word.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cascadia slavers for the clinton dirt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look my ex employees bike trip from vancouver to mexico is more impressive than usg defence contractor turds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: omg own goals don't count
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in like my lifetime or yours?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: has the usg defense industry made a thing that was ready for use against anything-thats-not-goatfuckers-with-twenty-year-old-mortars?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: less than twelve months later, americans are wondering what we did to deserve the plane-bombing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: coincidentally, also the year of the Aguilera/Durst MTV awards collab
(trilema) ben_vulpes: color me 2000-ragtop-mustang-purple
(trilema) ben_vulpes: raytheon sells upgradeable systems?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/fashion/modern-love-pregnancy-miscarriage-app-technology.html << Seven months after my miscarriage, mere weeks before my due date, I came home from work to find a package on my welcome mat. It was a box of baby formula bearing the note: "We may all do it differently, but the joy of parenthood is something we all share"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: those are pure kinetic countermeasures?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: baww, targets shrink two orders of magnitude and billions of dollars get flushed down the drain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: what all is actually going on in that video?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: several times
(trilema) ben_vulpes: these two threads ducktail so nicely!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: "actually function"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pigeons and qcs are trivially differentiable on derivatives
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my money's on less than 10 concurrent inbound targets while the systems have payloads to deploy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: well why would they say anything, much less anything indicative of how badly the systems actually function
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is effective enough to make them invisible on ir?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the point is that deployed systems have a hard upper bound of inbound targets they can handle, and there is no such hard upper bound to how many inbounds can be lobbed at them, much less any sort of constraint on btc/lobbed body.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how many tonnes of fudge in the chocolate shop?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's a simple estimation problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but 10, 20, 100, 200?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: granted they can handle 1, 2, 3 at a time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: motors don't dissipate for what can be distinguished against bg?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ~0? really?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the leading two of that list having failed lolariously in the recent sorties, no?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some insane northrupgrumman "shoot a rokkit out da skye"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: is there a 'hard kill' in this context?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aok
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is a 'soft kill' in this context
(trilema) ben_vulpes: your adoring public demand more insider baseball reports
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: got any intel on the latest salvos against the Mason?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "yeah sure, his campaign is dead. you realize that his base actually wishes they were as witty and erudite in public as he is in private?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuel is fuel, air ams air.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: imagine the world in which the rank-and-file dems wish for an opponent like trump
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh we've got a few more cycles between here and there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: inb4 'noise'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: rng on this machine is dog slow, since http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-15#1555745 shitball.bin has only amassed 22k of noise
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anything else?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mac, 2.7 GHz core i5
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "gotta catch 'em all"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yeah, surprising
(trilema) ben_vulpes: macs belong to apple, customer just gets to depreciate them while running xcode or chrome
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in the sense of not deleting old ones
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't archive xcodes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: scam
(trilema) ben_vulpes: doesn't count from bitcoinday?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not offhand, no
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what
(trilema) ben_vulpes: down to 47, actually
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > 4137
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my node cracked 4gb res yesterday
(trilema) ben_vulpes digs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how does one get an x86-64 proggy to run on a bare cpu like the gizmo?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can you turn that into a phd?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: that's a lot of research
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxJSDlrKRU << hahaha shit remember when black eyed peas tried to retcon themselves out of the "get retarded" pr problem? minaj did a whole verse as an aside in 07
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !~later tell pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MItv-PTKaE << u savvy the cover?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the stuttering south african"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "young carter/go farther/go further/go harder/is that not/why we came?/and if not/then why bother?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: jigga destroys that track
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the one who didn't actually do anything but wrote enough about the circus that he got pulled in to play ringmaster?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaaaltman?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i heard you were looking for me"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes, 'doh' now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: institutions that at one point produced quality wares that as you aged -- stopped?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude was there even anything of your childhood to rot?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: god fuck, vanity fair is full of dipshits even now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > whose fitful relationship culminated in a first trip down the alter
(trilema) ben_vulpes: native american name
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tallulah?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: interesting. how, typically?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: goodness
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1:1 with gizmos? or you found an supplier of the probe alone
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you have a whole stack of sageprobes?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: $bizpartner (/me waves) says there is all sorts of inane horseshit involved in how os x handles devices, with odd text files and os restarts in the loop
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: much of my woes were to attempting to talk to the thing over /dev/tty.usbmodem123445671 instead of /dev/cu.usbmodem12345671
(trilema) ben_vulpes: first thing i shall fix.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pdx surprisingly does not actually have an in-facility strip club, much to my shame.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and ho damn it is bad out there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have been touring random clubs when i take the corvette out for its weekly "please don't freeze up" runs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: all that really means is that there are a bunch of shitty strippers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: portland too if you recall
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "not much, they're both fucking close to water"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: omg mod6 ruiner
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you figure it out yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: "imperial!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: less non-alcohol-or-water contaminants though
(trilema) ben_vulpes: usg.quilmes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the difference between coors light and sex in a canoe?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lightly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fermented corn syrup if you must
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mike_c: talkin bout u, bb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and his bouncer reconnects!
(trilema) ben_vulpes doffs hat, spills coors
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: that was no ghetto that was an up and down tourist trap
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: then no, they were visible even to asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you see davout's gypsies?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i missed this gypsy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: waitwhich
(trilema) ben_vulpes: boss status
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: even spells nordstrom correctly!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: haw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for rocket fueling depot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hyuu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's ethanol, neh/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the man's metabolism never ceases to amaze
(trilema) ben_vulpes: til mircea_popescu pisses gasoline
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no way you don't see the handholding tomorrow.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you cover what, 30km/day?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well now i expect all of ba to burn tomorrow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the six dollar bills were hilaribad
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh oh that's nice
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: patches welcome
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh and trinque yes confirmed to work on os x
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and ty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stay safe out there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esd mat i assume, what else?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, by the way, do i need to make an electronics workbench where i can safely leave this hw out and not have to rebag it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sweet!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gizmo wouldn't respond to keypad inputs until i released it in gdb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: o ya it works
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tearing it down, packing it up. time for my daily dose of the laughter of innocents.
(trilema) ben_vulpes shrugs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mwell, gdb does things when i connect to /dev/cu.usbmodem12345671 and not when i connect to /dev/tty.usbmodem12345671
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's what shipped on trinque's bsd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: pardon?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one oddity is that set logging file gdb_out.txt is being completely disregarded in favor of gdb.txt
(trilema) ben_vulpes runs permutations
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i get only a "the target architecture is assumed to be i386:x86-64
(trilema) ben_vulpes has not rummaged for vga cable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1) power gizmo 2) count to 30 3) plug sage into gizmo 4) gdb ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is 7.12
(trilema) ben_vulpes: indexer + archiver + search engine
(trilema) ben_vulpes recommends "gigablast" again for anyone looking to bite archival off
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes does not recall
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lobbes perhaps?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SHALL NOT, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am to expect some xml blob back, though?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551297 << in which ben_vulpes begins to deeply regret expiring pastes so agressively
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: i've applied the pill, got a 'Connected.' over 'cu' so far
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'brew install' actually downloads new 'formulae', updates existing ones, and deletes others
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brew actually gets dumber every day
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pill applied, sage survived
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > /dev/cu.usbmodem12345671 << what on earth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is shen then?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh fascinating tarver wrote bipolar lisp programmer as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: huh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551192 << how'd you determine that it's an sbcl under the hood?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: your widget doesn't handle <ENTER>
(trilema) ben_vulpes: struck by a case of sloth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: may innoculate it today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: arrived friday!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guy standing on the corner of mlk and burnside has a 40 and a backpack.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: /cartels/ have teeth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "chiraq"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: done.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: doing some maintenance on mimisbrunnr.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: i say don't handle it, expiration is a ridiculous booby trap in gpg and updating is all sorts of fraught.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: user comes back around pretty quickly with a 'wtf' tho.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure enough.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ideally !!register <key-url>
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wouldn't one want to actually verify the key components and not just that sks coughed something up for a given fp?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fingerprint collisions can be purchased.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaand i have nfi what the story is with pingbacks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it'll eat up to 4mb, lmk if you need more
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546229
(trilema) ben_vulpes: goodness
(trilema) ben_vulpes: surely there's another server somewhere they haven't restarted.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: confirmed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: god the things are made of plastic.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: five of the stringers bent!