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ascii_butugychag: what is wrong with these ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what returns
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i disagree that the mega-turd that touches 10,000 lines is justified.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392467 << holy shit, incitatus has been running with a full disk and 0 maintenance for months
ascii_butugychag: anybody tested at all ?
ascii_butugychag: anybody else suffer the same problem as shinohai ?
ascii_butugychag: shinohai: what command line params did you use ?
ascii_butugychag: but NOT in the log.
ascii_butugychag: it ought to show up in getinfo
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i was gonna point out the version string thing but you found it in the logz already.
ascii_butugychag: the life of whoredom!111
ascii_butugychag: (the thing that looks like arse cheeks was originally a dfa)
ascii_butugychag: censored crud
ascii_butugychag: http://imgur.com/rRWxCi3 << re: chalkboard thread. the one i have here.
ascii_butugychag: brain - melts.
ascii_butugychag: (grep earlier greenspun c2 link for 'refactor')
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: holy shit, shitgnomes are trying to pervert even greenspun's law ?!!
ascii_butugychag: phf: i ~would~ like to see a maximally-granular (split into patchons) version of mod6's flow graph
ascii_butugychag: at some point it will have to become vtronic
ascii_butugychag: ah buildroot
ascii_butugychag: it is a gpg atavism
ascii_butugychag: FUCK keyrings.
ascii_butugychag: in no way!
ascii_butugychag: keyring?!!
ascii_butugychag: i thought he was speaking of vpatches
ascii_butugychag: the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have a stricter than necessary dependency flow
ascii_butugychag: and don't want to be dealt with separately
ascii_butugychag: phf: the idea is that those are semantically related
ascii_butugychag: and i saw it again too when mircea_popescu linked it 1st time
ascii_butugychag watched, when came to usa
ascii_butugychag: ('boogie' is an a5-sized slate thing that changes colour from pressure, and has a button, press and it erases to black. runs on tiny watch battery.)
ascii_butugychag: i really wish they came in full man size
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, ever use a 'boogie board' ?
ascii_butugychag: i still remember the whanging headaches i got just from sitting in front row
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: who said they didn't
ascii_butugychag: but i find that there is something palpably... unmathematical, about 'whiteboards'
ascii_butugychag: one can buy reduced-stink markers
ascii_butugychag: with ink markers
ascii_butugychag: incidentally mircea_popescu will be very pleased to learn that over here we have crappy ersatz american non-chalky boards
ascii_butugychag pictures chalkboard with parts of kalash diagrammed
ascii_butugychag: analysis?
ascii_butugychag: whatcha teaching'em
ascii_butugychag: when collaborating mathematically, i am stuck with MOTHERFUKING chalkboards
ascii_butugychag: i can only do that here because no math in the chan
ascii_butugychag: i'm on a console term
ascii_butugychag: these - behave.
ascii_butugychag: it sucketh, verily.
ascii_butugychag: i do not WANT any-time.
ascii_butugychag: there is, however, the ample retardation of the 'any time' variant.
ascii_butugychag: is it 'magic code can come ~any time~' or 'magic code specified in WELL-DEFINED place'
ascii_butugychag: yes but the fundamental debate is about how to interpret.
ascii_butugychag: there is also 'what follows is N bits which will behave AS BITS' or 'what follows is M bits which are launch code.'
ascii_butugychag: somehow this magic ended up in the html.
ascii_butugychag: it was 'magic trigger and after it, replace...'
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it wasn't 'ALL in'
ascii_butugychag: in-band signalling (i.e. 'this magic sequence of characters anywhere in the text launches the rockets') suxxxx.
ascii_butugychag: just a graphical www browser with 'mathml' enabled.
ascii_butugychag: answer, of course, is that it wasn't a bug.
ascii_butugychag: riddle - what kind of bug produced this.
ascii_butugychag: definitely wasn't ~trying~ to end up like this
ascii_butugychag: ^ failure of in-band signalling !11111111
ascii_butugychag: http://imgur.com/a/hMs4a << who wants to guess how this happened
ascii_butugychag: ('turkish wedding' (tm) (r))
ascii_butugychag: slash-dottie's first shovel rape.
ascii_butugychag: wasn't it sold to spammers years ago?!
ascii_butugychag: and be cremated
ascii_butugychag: the whole shit soup toolchain needs to die
ascii_butugychag: and i originally thought 'let's take & clean gnudiff' and barfed ten times.
ascii_butugychag: where i can include arbitrary transforms.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what i want is not a gutted corpse of gnudiff, but a turing-complete vtron
ascii_butugychag: when just about any alternative to prb looked spiffy
ascii_butugychag: nah iirc he is actually using a product called btcd, by one conformal co.
ascii_butugychag: is a heathen thing, in heathen tongue
ascii_butugychag: trinque: how come you're using heathen bitcoinatron, again ?
ascii_butugychag: perhaps when mircea_popescu wrote 'it folks have become whores' he was thinking of 'crack whore'
ascii_butugychag: at the other end of the sausage-maker - precisely them
ascii_butugychag: buncha gmp calls, in c.
ascii_butugychag: i just brought a set of sparse matrices to orgasm, for instance
ascii_butugychag: whores come in 10,001 breeds
ascii_butugychag: so... that.
ascii_butugychag: the one about what jobs you were willing to take when you were a consultant
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: do you recall the article you wrote about the meaning of money ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: ah!
ascii_butugychag: i confess that i've been using my ancient vtron. but will prolly switch to mod6's industrial-strength one very soon
ascii_butugychag: mod6: neato!
ascii_butugychag: properly digesting c crud is heavy work.
ascii_butugychag: and still not sure if anyone will do it
ascii_butugychag: i originally did not publish the thing that is now shiva because i was not comfortable with asking friends to read 5,000 lines of tinyscheme.
ascii_butugychag: and respect the worth of the time.
ascii_butugychag: the overall idea i am trying to teach is that anybody changing a line of trb ought to be mindful of the work this creates for others
ascii_butugychag: (and questions like 'is this ONLY a format change' ought to be answerable mechatronically)
ascii_butugychag: i see nothing wrong with cleaning up classical error handlers, etc, so long as it is done in line with the flow principle described earlier.
ascii_butugychag: (i.e. part 1 can be mechanically-litmused: 'this only adds the ts genesis material')
ascii_butugychag: for thematic unity
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: note how i cut the shiva patch in 2
ascii_butugychag: with raw walrus skins, and bare teeth
ascii_butugychag: (who/what/where/when etc)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: one of the items i have in mind for shivafication is sane event logging
ascii_butugychag: so i can ask the same question, line after line, for a whole patch
ascii_butugychag: 1 kind of thing - must be together
ascii_butugychag: the way to reduce the work is to NOT DISRUPT FLOW
ascii_butugychag: hard work.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it bothered me that polarbeard apparently does not yet fully grasp that every line he writes is a unit of ~work~ for other people to do.
ascii_butugychag: but then i plugged it in...
ascii_butugychag: looked spiffy
ascii_butugychag: it is heavy, metal, has screws and ratchets for adjustment, etc.
ascii_butugychag: i got one as a gift from an old chum
ascii_butugychag: but i just can't be arsed
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: supposedly there is an x11 patch to make it go
ascii_butugychag: won't function reliably on any linux box.
ascii_butugychag: fuicking nonstandard crud
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: rat9 suxx, you can have mine for the cost of postage
ascii_butugychag: phf: correct
ascii_butugychag: it's a laboratory instrument
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: not really divergence
ascii_butugychag: (if you have the patience, watch the films, even, they are interesting in a number of ways incl. historically)
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: once you understand how scheme's tail call optimization works, you are well on your way to actually grasping the thing
ascii_butugychag: doable yes. but in the same sense as the thing i just did, was doable.
ascii_butugychag: also it will need some means of restarting it if the repl is hosed
ascii_butugychag: whereas a persistent lisp will need a reconnectable pipe and this will require surgery inside tinyscheme's intestines
ascii_butugychag: because right now a lisp terminates if it loses its i/o pipe
ascii_butugychag: it is a little tricky
ascii_butugychag: adlai: to me it simply means 'i don't have to leave my editor and FUCK NO I AM NEVER pasting code into a motherfucking shell 10000000 time a day'
ascii_butugychag: typing straight into a shell SUCKS
ascii_butugychag: was trying to describe the ~idea~ to n00bz.
ascii_butugychag: adlai: satan forbid we use any code actually ~in~ slime !!11
ascii_butugychag: this will have to be dealt with
ascii_butugychag: current thing is useless for swank though because it spins up a fresh lisp for each connection
ascii_butugychag: phf: precisely what i did. see the code.
ascii_butugychag: but imho this is not needed yet.
ascii_butugychag: phf: i have a patch for adding actual tcp to ts
ascii_butugychag: first link.
ascii_butugychag: ;;google sussman cowardly surrender
ascii_butugychag: (sussman and abelson were the creators of scheme, authors of sicp, and taught the course)
ascii_butugychag: as a cultural institution.
ascii_butugychag: marking the permanent end of mit
ascii_butugychag: which is imho an important historical document
ascii_butugychag: he wrote a formal letter of surrender to the rot
ascii_butugychag: !s sussman
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i mark the demise of mit as the moment when they abolished the sicp course
ascii_butugychag: adlai: 'a slime' in the sense of plugging an emacs session straight into the interpreter, with 'eval-region', 'eval current sexpr', as well as separate pane with repl, etc.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, phree on vendor site.
ascii_butugychag: mega-recommended.
ascii_butugychag: sicp is THE b00k.
ascii_butugychag: mainly in being 'lisp-1'
ascii_butugychag: differs in a number of ways
ascii_butugychag: adlai: i implanted a scheme runtime in a trb.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: fortunately it is the world's simplest, possibly, usable language
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell adlai wanna become a hero ?
ascii_butugychag: do we have any adlai patches yet ?
ascii_butugychag: (or adlai ?)
ascii_butugychag: maybe this is a ben_vulpes job
ascii_butugychag: (this is mentioned obliquely in the shiva.cpp commments)
ascii_butugychag: i'ma have to come up with a slime for shiva, incidentally
ascii_butugychag: all rabit holes go to same place.
ascii_butugychag: turing-complete vtron
ascii_butugychag: so, e.g., mircea_popescu's retabbing, would be a five-line patch
ascii_butugychag: ideally a vtron ought to be able to apply ANY well-defined operation
ascii_butugychag: mod6: gnudiff is a miserable straightjacket (see earlier monologue re: renaming)
ascii_butugychag: shave half of face, submit patch, shave other half, etc
ascii_butugychag: as it is, a single day's worth of shiva took a fucking week
ascii_butugychag: if had moar time, would write beautiful illuminated manuscripts, sure.
ascii_butugychag: because not longest vchain.
ascii_butugychag: but none of it would break a single bolt anywhere
ascii_butugychag: i posted probably the most kB of unusable but validly signed crapolade to the ml
ascii_butugychag: it simply gets orphaned.
ascii_butugychag: but in point of fact, the v-chain aspect prevents a mistake from catastrophically breaking the world
ascii_butugychag: aha, the format allows for it
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: sacrifice a goat to satan
ascii_butugychag points out that he has been thinking about vtronics for a VERY long time.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i spoke of this earlier today
ascii_butugychag: (and, as i explained very early on, cycled are an error, and anyone attempting to introduce a graph cycle deserves a good thrashing)
ascii_butugychag: patches are binary-unique.
ascii_butugychag: and ought to signal error.
ascii_butugychag: but i will note that introducing a new patch that is binary-identical to an old one, is an error.
ascii_butugychag: 'longest chain' is the trunk of the tree, where the sap flows.
ascii_butugychag: and same in a vtronic animal
ascii_butugychag: this was part of my design.
ascii_butugychag: it sure does
ascii_butugychag: it does not matter worth a lick that they do the same thing.
ascii_butugychag: so if i submit frobs-x.vpatch and also-frobs-x.vpatch and they both reference patch frobbed-x-before.vpatch, then i can press to frob-x OR to also-frobs-x or to any other leaf.
ascii_butugychag: the set of all possible pressings you can end up with
ascii_butugychag: look at 'pressable' pull-handles as: degrees of freedom.
ascii_butugychag: 'press to' is how we specify which patches get applied to begin with
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it will apply the one that you press to
ascii_butugychag: punkman: now there is 1, from it flows contiguously into the shivatron
ascii_butugychag: (there was ~never~ referencing in my tinyscheme thing! it began with a vtronically nailed-down copy of known vintage from my own hdd, and proceeds from there.)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i closed the gap today, see the next patch.
ascii_butugychag: i count 7 different kinds of pot
ascii_butugychag: at rupture farms
ascii_butugychag: we have a whole kitchen devoted to coffee here
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: ahahahaha the one that won't suspend-mode, ah
ascii_butugychag: 'magicprefs'
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: install the 3rd party driver thing
ascii_butugychag: a non-lazy programmer is about as useful as a sedentary sprinter
ascii_butugychag: that is what comes of not-being-lazy
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: notice how ~some~ programmers (india!) l00000ve repetitive crudwork. they produce glorious unrolled 10,0001-iteration loops, etc.
ascii_butugychag: BUT those 5 sec the old crud cost me every 15 min. were ~flow-destroying~.
ascii_butugychag: yes, it could take a whole hour to set up whatever, and i might die bfore it saves me a whole hour
ascii_butugychag: it is about avoiding flow disruption
ascii_butugychag: it isn't about time as such
ascii_butugychag: (fully automating just about anything is an invitation for meltdown)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: notice i said 'semi-auto'
ascii_butugychag: i have this semi-automated, it is quite convenient
ascii_butugychag: you can specify a tag file it will fill from when tab(or your favourite other key)-completing.
ascii_butugychag: no, for letters
ascii_butugychag: will fill with whatever you like
ascii_butugychag: one of the 10,001 reasons why.
ascii_butugychag whispers 'learn emacs'
ascii_butugychag much appreciates the labours of mod6
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu rather
ascii_butugychag read the mega-patch-of-all-ages yet ?
ascii_butugychag: and all of the attendant breakages
ascii_butugychag: having relative wots inevitably leads to keeping 10,001 copies of wot
ascii_butugychag: hand-cranked reactor controls ftw.
ascii_butugychag: if you use variants - specify the variant each time, like the laws of man and god demand.
ascii_butugychag: and if you don't do variant wots, it can live there permanently.
ascii_butugychag: i broke my head on this for a while, and settled on '~/.wot by default, user-specified wot whenever you want' when i did vtron.
ascii_butugychag: 'whaddayamean i have to have the build tools 3 dirs out'
ascii_butugychag: this was a common complaint about my rotor system also, recall
ascii_butugychag: i almost always find myself with fuck knows what at relative-path-depth-n
ascii_butugychag: relative path mega-sucks
ascii_butugychag: mod6: you recall how mine worked ?
ascii_butugychag: i still don't get why a vtron should use the net at all
ascii_butugychag: <+mircea_popescu> for one thing, you might wish to run v with diff wotsets. << YES! ~somebody~ GETs it
ascii_butugychag: maybe give us summary ?
ascii_butugychag: mats: worth leeching and spending time readin ?
ascii_butugychag: guten morgen mircea_popescu !
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