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(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re the 2 blogs - you can't run away from yourself; so do yourself a favour and stop trying to split: get the content in one single place, redirect the other domain so no links are broken and stick with it; it's fine to cringe at your own past-doings and it's even healthy because it IS a sign of growth.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and btw, I don't think you ever answered the above q.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: is this Japan-friend the emotional blackmail type? or how friend is this friend really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: maybe update that post to make it clear you are talking about a previous key though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: good for you on admitting to it all; now, is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-23#1003541 still an actual doubt or just yet another protection/avoidance spew?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: but it works as a reasonable statement of what happened; let it stand as such and move on to the WoT post.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: well, that's why the order of the tasks was originally the other way around: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003465
(ossasepia) diana_coman: np; and will do, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: funny how nobody noticed at that time though, when bot replied (or failed to speak up on it); anyways, it'll be filed as mystery for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your bot played tricks on me!!111
(ossasepia) diana_coman: weird stuff; it does seem like an initial bot-hiccup that got fixed as a side-effect of later fixes I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even* not "enough"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can't seem to find another instance at least while using the search box; might need to grep the dump; it's not a huge thing, I can live with it but it's...weird to not enough know wtf happened.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, let's search
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it seems it was snsabot that flipped _ for - but how did it...auto-correct or what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: wb asciilifeform ; see paste above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yeah, snsabot saw me as diana-coman for a while, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nop, in local log it's diana_coman there at that line precisely; some weird stuff at start of that dump /log somehow?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm; lemme check in my local log, maybe some fleanode shenanigans and nick changes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: well yes, from 1mn on it's from your dump
(ossasepia) diana_coman: actually now looking at it: wtf why is my nickname there diana-coman all of a sudden for like..6 lines?? http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-08#1000000 - asciilifeform any idea?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so it's ok; but nevertheless, good that you pointed it out since it appeared to be a problem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that's already on 1mn line and apparently lobbes's bot was on so it has a different time
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: use paste.deedbot.org
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: prolly on "clicked update" it was properly published including setting the date to current so yes, won't see any trouble *now*; let it be and just check/look next time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: listen, you seem rather scattered/ with a tendency for superficial and I don't know if it's just that you are doing 1001 things right now and not properly focusing on any or it's a more general thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, this was on top of the above, not directly relevant to it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: did you subscribe with feedbot to the posts and comments on younghands.club and on your own blog? it helps so you also get to see what others see; at times I think your "update/tweaking" of posts also messes up with the rss.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's rather..difficult, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what date is that for finally moved to CR and ready to get started?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I meant examples of what probing tends to look like; see the conversation yest with thimbronion for instance); obv, can't tell upfront exactly what it will look like for you, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it wasn't just formatting; the first I looked at it, it was dated 16th (and as a result it didn't even appear in recent posts); probably at correction time the rest got fixed too and you didn't even notice; not a big thing in itself, just check when publishing, in the future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your full commitment as detailed in http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/18/the-pageboys-pledge/ and a reasonable fit (on which I'll judge after I probe to get to figure you out a bit better - there are already examples of this in the logs).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's certainly way easier today for everyone involved, precisely because things are quite straightforward: if you want to work with X, go and ask them what would it take for them to take you in; and just in case you have doubts re this point: nobody will mind.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and going at it with lingering doubts is not helping at all either; because at first hurdle, the natural impulse will forever be "oh, but it would have been better if/with"; kill those doubts one way or another now and if you commit do it fully or it will backfire.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so ask them directly, why not ask? fwiw yes, I would send you to someone else if I think it's a better fit but I don't know if "transfer" is the word for it; for one thing, you're not a package to just transfer; for the other, you can't and shouldn't eschew choice; see http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/fog-of-war/#comment-43
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: feel free to take the time off to think it through (but do use it for that rather than for postponing); other than that though, note that commitment doesn't mean "won't take vacations anymore" for sure, lolz; and at any rate: do blog your Japan trip!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, that sounds quite likely to be the case, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the danger is more from the other end really ie if you say yes and then don't stick with it/vanish /fade away or something; because in that case I will negrate you guaranteed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well, look at what is missing, if anything/unsure; (and yes, it was "it does make sense")
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: sure; feel free to ask/read around /figure out if there's anything else of interest.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: another way of putting it is this: decide if you are better off on your own / under someone else or if you are better off throwing your lot in with mine because that's pretty much what it amounts to.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can't have certainty of the sort "she'll ask me to do this and that, not the other" nor of the sort "it'll all be about x and y and z but not t; requiring q and y but not w"; simply because it can't be known upfront, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: probably the above is of interest to you too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it does; and yes, you can't know upfront what you don't know, that's the inevitable issue facing everyone really; hence my "ask any questions you need to ask" - this means literally ask what you need to figure out if you trust me, because you will have to decide on precisely trust, nothing else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: you are doing quite well there from what I see with planning and sticking to it on the mp-wp work but at any rate - would you find it useful to have also a more general plan+review for yourself on younghands.club? ie going beyond just this one mp-wp current task; maybe for 2 weeks/1 month stretches at a time?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: mind running your script on lobbes's logs too ie comparing the #o logs from logs.ossasepia.com to those on logs.ericbenevides.com ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: also, it's getting hard to follow the numbers by themselves, please add from now on the dates ie "Plan for week 12: 30/9 - 29/9" or similar
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what happened there with week 10 review as it was initially on a different date and getting messed up; seems fixed meanwhile but what was it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: welcome billymg ; what brings you here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: now that's done, there's http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 that is still pending afaik
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003486 - it's a clearer account of what you did so far at least; the task list works more as "what I already know/am aware of" with not much to show re actually looking around; overall it sort of scrapes by for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there are several layers to it but even at the most superficial level it's proof of such misunderstanding of gpg-contracts and the WoT that he's basically out of it entirely.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003484 - no, this is perhaps "what whaack thinks" but most certainly not what everyone thinks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman goes to sleep.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: cool; and ask if stuck/unsure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so write then first the fuckup thing; by Weds if you say that's enough time; think of what constraints would bring the WoT piece to something manageable over a 1-2 weeks term and state those/ask.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and once you finally get yourself on top of the current still-standing pile - ahem - of tasks, you'll get to see exactly how it's done properly for very long numbers that are not known upfront (and don't even fit in the standard types) - ie. asciilifeform's FFA
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: np; when do you think you'll have them done?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: one focuses on what the WoT is, how it works and why (see the cannonical trilema.com ref + revisit the old explanations/discussion in the logs if you need to); two is about your specific mistake, how and why you fucked up + what you learnt from it; they are related ofc but not exactly the same thing and the focus is different (the wot; you)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not as much about "news" but rather way more concrete stuff, if you make it all the way there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re China fwiw there would be quite an opening there but before you can meaningfully work directly on that, you need essentially a better WoT presence; so I'd say continue with your preliminary work of building up contacts for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the way you state it is way too open-ended to meaningfully attack; ie you can "read up on this" until the end of days really; the coder should know and esp should take the time to make sure no-overflow/underflow - when one relies on a pile of shit, this becomes de facto impossible; hence: don't rely on a pile of shit is just about the core of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: questions?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: your lengthy but curiously sterile history cuts both ways here to such extent that I can't quite say how come so long around here and so little to show for it; write those 2 posts that came about and let's see how it goes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: in Ada yes (ie your program will die on the spot); not everywhere though; and yes, it is precisely a very common exploitable hole.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: did you play? or did you get stuck on the mac-os trouble or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: iirc you made an eulora account too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I see; and meanwhile found in old logs the more detailed story too, so it makes sense.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, how is your consultancy not "a real consultancy"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and do you run now your own consultancy business or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you know, reading from old logs, I think you should write what you figured out in the end re WoT
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: but how did it go then from working on a startup with him to may do consulting work for him?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I honestly don't know why would one spend the time to persuade the stubborn; maybe only the stubborn-they-loved-otherwise but well, how many of those already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I saw it but on the public toilet, perhaps that's why/some shit
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: well, it ...did what it could! but yes, I see your point there; so how about that startup? how did it go, do you still work with that guy?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I could load the page
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha; what did California do?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: any more things you'd rather disavow?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: not bad for a start for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose I'll end up liking you just for surviving *that many* idiocies.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ycombinator, oh my.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for future readers, the list of authors bitmarkets+bitmessage reads: steve dekorte, rich collins, adam thorsen, chris robertson.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to "can't read trilema" well, that's their problem really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ok; but how did you know /fall in with those guys?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "Bitmarkets operates over the Tor anonymity network" , oh boy.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: voluntarylabs as a name, ugh; I suppose frogs, mice and rats "voluntary" for the labs, I can see it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: link to that wiki article? or list of names please
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: understand that people you are working with *are* important, yes; you know, atm this is btw your main problem to solve ie get to build some actual trust with people around here esp if you want to China.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I see; but still quite curious re thimbronion's own description of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what's that bitmessage thing and who is "we" from "gernika: Yes it's compatible. It runs pybitmessage in the background without the qt UI (we made our own UI). Yes there are plans for a cross platform client, but that's a ways off. " ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what did that prototyping involve? and what do you actually enjoy?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: did you always work as web dev full stack ? what did you like about it anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nice to meet you; somehow for all the coolness of nicknames, I find I'd much rather use people-names.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: aha; as to embarrassing sure but you know, better go through it then and there rather than living with it for whatever many years afterwards; anyway, /me will read the old logs; what's your actual name?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: worth noting that there is potentially the hanging question of what was learnt, since/if it's not publicly stated anywhere
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ok, but why "had to leave"; I mean yes, you obv needed to learn some more + get born again (new key) but as long as lesson fully learnt, what's the trouble
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re your question: think of it as a blank cheque machine (ie any number of copies anyone may want)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: would you let me talk to the man for a bit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it can easily serve for a clear example of "be explicit, never implicit".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: lol; why/how did you end up doing that anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how/what did you fuck up there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by "here" I mean tmsr.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: how come you found your way here only now though? or what gives?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that sounds actually like a sensible way to go about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: hm, we'll need to come back to that then as it's not all that clear esp re "why"; what's the "bitcoining since 2011" mean exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: sounds like a productive few days really, not bad.
(trilema) diana_coman: in fairness, there were - according to the newspaper-bit itself - quite a few people that pointed the obvious ie 3 people being totally fine so wtf's the problem with it??
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well, it's the use not the items, the usual "omg, not used according to my expectations therefore bad, abominable, can't exist etc"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: k, we'll talk then some more.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: eh, on some topics some people always "have no idea"; in the best interpretation possible, because it's so alien from everything else they have.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what are you working on at this job?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: eh, he made it to the newspaper, ok?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: unfortunately I can entirely see him because he's so...unique I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ok but what do you plan to do in CR?
(trilema) diana_coman: bwahaha and mircea_popescu did not "want to answer" lmao
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by the sounds of it CR will be tmsr-colonised in short order
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not bad; why specifically CR?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do you have relations/contacts in China?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: are you fluent in Chinese? are you actually looking to move out of the US?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, reading through your last posts, I can see quite a few useful things that you'll probably find interesting too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so what's with the Chinese link/interest or how did it come to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: interesting; where in the world are you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so what have you been doing those 41 years?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: btw, Mocky's really in his 60s?? I thought rather a bit younger, more like 40s-50s.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: perhaps; if you are applying for training here, I'll first try to get to know you better; if that works out, then yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: as above, being 41 or any other number is not in itself a problem as fara as I can see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as previously stated in #t, not a problem: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926699
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: did you read a bit the logs + outreach category ie did you figure out what this is about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: then probably best with a travel-bouncer indeed, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what brings you here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds fine; re travel you can also simply disconnect when you are not actually using it; it's not like you have to be "seen connected" or something and you can always keep up with it via the logs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello thimbronion
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: only if you actually want to upload executables via wp; the point is not as much that it should allow everything; the point is that if it's yours, then you won't take a no from it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you can ssh to your vps there, right? just upload it via scp or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lolz @ yours and not letting you; but yes, upload it as what it is - a text file after all; tbh I never uploaded non-images via WP
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: because binary, yes; and indeed, electronics is the basis, ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in some cases you can further end up with additional unpredictable effects (eg if the value is written on as many bits as required rather than as many as reserved)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at the very least, on underflow/overflow the given "result" will be rubbish (ie it will be a different value than you expect)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you try to store a value outside the range that can be represented on that precise number of bits, what happens is overflow/underflow (depending on which side of the available range that value is)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: specifically: there's a maximum number that you can represent on a given number of bits; one bit can hold only 0 or 1; 2 bits will be enough for 0,1,2,3; n bits are enough for 2^n-1 ; do you know why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003284 - why not compose those in writing? it can be a way of figuring stuff out (and at any rate, if you write it down, it's out of the way + it's pinned down so it can't shift and a later re-read will tell you if there's anything in there or not)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: np; it's worth pointing out too that the sooner you decide (either way), the better for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: no; prior to expecting me to help you pick a task though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, that's the start.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yeah, I know it's random but the "why is it there" at all is still the above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re empty, you were also asking for non-existent lines.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is no such thing as infinite resource, no matter what resource you are talking about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the limit is basically a bit of a throttle ie you don't want to get the whole thing stuck because someone asked for 10mn lines or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: some pens were ~10 euros or there but to me they were still just... overpriced pens.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re 100 to 1mn - since you go 500 lines at a time, you can...calculate how long is "longggg", lolz;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: yes re line numbers, it doesn't start from 0 since it was made to "fit before the bot started" rather than "this is start"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003228 - come to think of it, I'd have that image re Bugatti rather.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, at least they *did*, that was already more than 10 years ago, no idea now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003226 - ftr I didn't work *for* them, just *with* them during one collaborative project ferrari-university, involving their programming team (they do use all sorts of software but generally made in-house)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the rest was a very corporate-style thing actually (well, softened at the edges by italian interaction style for sure but still);
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003228 - lolz! but if you mean that literally, they basically own ~everything in this Maranello little town so they sell also...pen and paper (with ferrari logo! in ferrari-trademarked red colour!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in fairness though, out of the "software engineering" thing, at least I got to see all sorts of interesting Italian stuff, Ferrari engineering included; and just to avoid misunderstandings - I don't actually regret any of it, at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re meaning found - note that when I accepted no meaning was anymore in any of those places, I hadn't as such found it otherwise; it was missing and therefore entirely up to me to make/find my own, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003203 - fwiw I went to Uni for 5 years (engineering degree) supposedly to get exactly a structured knowledge base wrt programming/comp sci and I still don't think I actually got that at all, mainly because they hadn't a clear idea as to wtf that was exactly; I made my own structuring later on (and also learnt much more later on); so no, I wouldn't worry at all about that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: after the PhD I stayed on for a year as post-doc and then stuffed them all and did whatever I wanted to try - just making sure I always found a way to get paid for it, too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003208 - it was possibly the intro to the Reference Code Shelf mentioning the return to programming; the reason was simply that I wanted Eulora to happen.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003206 - during the master's itself really; as a result, I tried the PhD in pretty much ~anything else (the Swiss episode was one attempt) and ended up with an even more obvious (in retrospect) scam: software engineering (that's what my PhD is in); that pretty much made me give up on the whole of it entirely
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: they recycled the name as usual; ie still "expert system" though not exactly as promised but "who is there to notice"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and because you need to sift through a ton of data; ie machine-power needed and useful, certainly; now why call that though "machine learning" is a different thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: afaik the expert systems actually made it to some degrees esp in medicine; but it's still pretty much the sad "can search faster through a large pile of match-this-to-that" rather than any machine learning
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it was a good cure indeed but a cure for my naivity regarding the domain, not of that much use to those affected by breast cancer, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I did my Master's precisely on "Data Mining", precisely because "amazing", precisely on "using ML for breast cancer detection because OMG, wouldn't that be great"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to bring you down or anything, quite on the contrary, to not feed false hopes that will just come crashing down like a ton of bricks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the text mining field is probably a good example in this sense - for all the effort spent and all the various models put forward, the truth is that they all "work" only within very, very narrow spaces and for very limited definitions of "works"; and even that, only *if* carefully fitted (over-fitted really) by a human.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: however, that's about as far as it goes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is this distinction between data (raw figures of any kind), information (data+context) and knowledge; the machine works with data; perhaps one can argue that in some carefully designed cases, it may attain "information" - or rather mimic it to some degree
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fascinating perhaps, why not; but brute power, without reason; to be used and employed as best as you can think of (and the better you can think of using it, the better for you) but not to be asked to figure things out for you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the power of the machine as much as there is stands mainly as brute power really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just... not much "machine learning", no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, sure, it *is* interesting and at any rate, totally useful to be actually able to make sense of things, certainly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the theory - such as it is - is, well, Maths
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: as you just experience, cooking up interesting stuff takes simply your computer and a meaningful purpose :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, should probably add that ML is *also* unlikely to be as fascinating as it seems from a distance; the *promise* of ML is great, the reality however is rather... far from the promise.
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: you have broken trilema links on your blog as they still use polimedia.us eg those in http://thewhet.net/2012/11/shall-be-delivered/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's fine, the point was simply to not feed illusions re what it'll be like, nothing more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: heh; you know, I seriously doubt you'll enjoy actual "data analysis work" as much as you convinced yourself you will.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as a bonus with the above approach, it has a baked in clear "stop" - since you know what it should do, you also know when it's done and you don't end up wasting your time adding useless "functionality"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as a general approach: you first figure out how to do the thing you want manually (as in one full step of it) and once you got that, you proceed to write the bash script to automate it for the more general case.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: does your bash script have parameters? ie so one can run it ./check 100 100000 logs.ossasepia.com/ossasepia logs.nosuchlabs.com/nosuchlabs ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re curl - it's not like you need to fully know *all* of it right now, lolz; take it easy, there is time and you'll probably need it again sooner rather than later - when you do, you'll get to know it better and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you certainly need a for loop if you want to be able to actually compare a full set of lines between some given indices, ofc
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: thank you for the comment; I'll chew on it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: are you even there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (there were a few days of long logs in here for sure, but not really *all* days are that long)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I wouldn't have thought that #o logs are harder to read than #t but dunno - do you find them harder to read?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it helps to give you some grounding and a path to engage the whole
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc you had a question re what does it mean to train here - take the question and read the log with this goal ie as you read try to extract and refine gradually the answer to this question
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, "mind wanders" when specific like that to one thing is essentially "not engaging" ; now if it's not engaging because too tired or because doesn't yet make sense, only you can tell at this stage
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is this usual for you (ie on ~anything you read) or just log-specific?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: re focused - do you mean while reading (ie you start reading and then just wonder off) or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so how many words/hour did you get to read there or how do you measure it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: aha, a sign of life is all it takes; no worries; and ask questions whenever things are not clear.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, the differences will start appearing only at the point where each bot relied on his own recording of lines.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-19#1003117 - sounds like you crack the bash+curl+diff, well done; do the write-up and publish it on your blog, who knows what it grows into/when you'll need to ref back to it.
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: thanks!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: ffs, what are you doing there? do I need to kick you out so you set it up properly or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, enjoy then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how's it going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: man curl is your friend; but seriously, it's easier than you think so go for it; and *ask* if you get stuck, don't waste time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, he wants it for data-diddling; not even a bad tool at all *for that*; but this here is a bash+curl+diff job
(ossasepia) diana_coman: is it driven by your lack of knowledge of bash/curl or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: massively bloated solution
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: where are you lost in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: we certainly need a semi-automatic tool for sync, more generally, absolutely.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in either case...win-win, though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so shrysr see, it's up to you if you make out of this task a read-twice task or a learn-to-automate-with-bash-and-curl task
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, this is pre-era and copied so they should be the same though, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the raw mechanism above works for at most 500 lines at a time so you'll need to do it in batches
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, make yourself a bash script so it does all (if there is some difference it will be in lines with id < 1000000)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess you can just get them with a curl and compare with a diff
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you can use the raw knob
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: weren't you saying something about getting back on Wednesday aka yesterday?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but other than that, there shouldn't be any difference
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can keep whichever one you want on bookmark otherwise; I suppose ossasepia might be handier because it lists #o as default chan (while nosuchlabs lists #trilema as default)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: nosuchlabs got updated only today so please look again, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: but yes, it *helps you too*; that's an important consideration when I choose and give tasks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: seriously, I'd just tell you "read it 10 times" if I was specifically after that :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lolz, not a trick, just a very efficient use of all resources available.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I spotchecked for each of the days, so far no barf; the sad experience indicates that it's mostly a matter of actually re-reading ~all of it to spot anything but at least shrysr will help there since he anyway has to re-read.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: when you go through the logs again for the re-write, check please on both logs.ossasepia.com and logs.nosuchlabs.com and let me know if you see anything still missing/strange on either/both, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: only if you need help with it really; this particular topic&interest is mainly yours so in this case I don't really need to see a plan from you, it's enough if you actually have one.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what sort of pedal-powered net connection do you have there, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman will grant diplomas in hair theory of an irssi format
(trilema) diana_coman: but myeah, I ended up knowing way more than I ever wanted to about the multiple irssi formats, ugh.
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