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(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you know, if you *have to say* "this is a summary/review/dog", chances are very, very high that it's precisely because it is...not yet a summary/review/dog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but they are not going to be called summaries for that, no matter how many times you introduce them as such
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, you can write 1mn drafts and work your way in writing to understanding
(ossasepia) diana_coman: *before* you are allowed to publish words you should *know what the fuck you want to say*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: a review (as well as quite a few other things actually, god dammit it) has a structure too, you know? you don't just plonk "this is dog" and then put there whatever went on in your mind.
(trilema) diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: don't be shy; the more you engage and interact, the better for you really; and who knows what comes out of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as I said it before to shrysr , so it applies to you: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004132
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and instead of struggling to figure out what the author actually says there, you trim and chop it to fit your pre-existing thoughts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: lolz, you have two 1; re first paragraph of your summary - you don't merely replace the mushroom metaphor, you outright change the subject there! your first paragraph betrays a "wtf, I have no idea what this is" re the first original paragraph
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: at a quick look: 1. you really need to practice saying things *in your own words*; 2. when you go "how is x different from y" the answer should take the shape of "x is this way while y is that way" for various "way"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, your blog is with pizarro too, sigh; I'll look at the paste later today
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: what other languages do you speak then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: привет! are you in Russia?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie a line in /etc/hosts like this: 161.0.121.247 younghands.club
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when I say "use the IP directly" I mean add it to your /etc/hosts file
(ossasepia) diana_coman: given the mess, the deadline for the plans+reviews moves one day later than usual though none of you said anything about it so far.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion, shrysr, lobbes use the IP directly for younghands.club (ie 161.0.121.247 ) as the DNS server's IP for the site is currently down
(trilema) diana_coman: fuck; those guys were meant to publish their plans+ reviews today, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that makes younghands.club up at least; good to hear, thanks.
(trilema) diana_coman: now ossasepia.com seems to be down too; is latech again just nullrouting everything or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no; it has been up; it failed now when I reported it
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly for production server I don't think it's useful to change the IP; I suppose we are lucky in that it's now rather than after eulora release.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: trouble with production server is that people connect to known IP; can't quite ask players to change IP
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile production Eulora server unreachable; fwiw the testing server is still reachable.
(trilema) diana_coman: I wanted to say that I read a bit around the shlex python thing too but I never used it before so still unsure re direct fix
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 - I don't see it in either of the last 2 vpatches; fwiw I looked in the reader's code too: the tokenizer treats the ' as start of a quote and then fails for not having the end ' it expects
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, my deployed code is pressed up to active_disconnect; I'll check the following 2
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it is, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: you still around?
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly decay all goes ~same way; for all one knows, romanians of '80s were just a belated copy themselves and so on.
(trilema) diana_coman: that lasting-local-fame is a thing.
(trilema) diana_coman: he'd probably have got the piles, have to grant him that.
(trilema) diana_coman: yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with anything ie it's just another sort of spam.
(trilema) diana_coman still receives on various profiles all sorts of invites with pics that ~always are here-s-my-military-uniform-and-look-money
(trilema) diana_coman: ranting at a hypothetic result of a dreamed encounter and so on.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: by that point I suspect it's the fantasy of a fantasy in a fantasy really.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940762 - if you want specifically trilema, it should be /log/trilema without it you'll get to whichever chan is first in the list but there's no guarantee that won't change, in principle
(trilema) diana_coman: I wish they'd start with inventing at least a less predictable rant really; just as warm up for all those electricities they'll surely invent.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and indeed, especially when you lack experience, you might need to go back and check at least, if nothing else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re "from memory" note that there is no hard requirement as such to not look at the original at all when writing the summary or something; the point is that by the time you actually comprehend a text you will inevitably know the main points indeed but other than this banal observation, nobody stops you from consulting the original as much as/whenever needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: well, you'll publish whatever you have by then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll even read it, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter, if you really want to whine about how difficult it is for you, go ahead and write another post with all the complains on the matter
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie you fucked up the process and that's the root cause, fine; start with noting that and fixing it; then look at the damned summary and see how it stands (rather: fails) on its own, both overall and bit by bit
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and they should probably be at the start really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you should already have the answers to those questions by now so put them in
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie: your feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the task at hand;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that has no place whatsoever in a review of a text; it's also doubly lulzy in the context given the very topic of the summary (the original text you were meant to summarize)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and nobody cares about how "difficult it is for" you, really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the problem IS very much with the text itself ; the process aka "how it was produced" is the root cause, sure, but that doesn't mean that you got there a great summary ffs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: also, if you go away dunno, why are you posting it or how is this supposed to work?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: use paste.deedbot not whatever random shit
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are however effectively extending them a lifeline whether they know it or not, whether they accept it or not, whatever; it is up to them to figure out that it's in their interest to accept; they may fail of that, sure, fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: depending on your own style and inclination, you can decide to humour or not whatever local customs as long as they don't go against fundamentals, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you don't need to even find reasons *for them*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically stand up tall, you have all tmsr behind you, it's not like you go there man-alone, at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: they can then/alternatively refuse the request, do whatever, but that is ON THEM
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as an overall, minimum thing: you go in with a statement and a request; they can challenge you on the statement (ie why do you think tmsr is greater than us?) at which point (and only THEN) you answer the challenge
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but that's why I say that you need first 1. to be clear in your own mind re what is important and why 2. to know exactly your position and don't let yourself swayed by whatever they moo at you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's after all the whole diplomacy thing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you can be as polite or impolite as you want really; and you can even make concessions as you think appropriate, *except* on the important parts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: there doesn't seem to be specific log, here's what MP said: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940684
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you know where is freenode's "won't federate answer"? I can't seem to find it at all; there's the initial talk in #freenode and then follow up in #eulora but nothing after that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the impolite - if it ever comes to it - is already an effect of some stubborn idiocy manifested by the other party really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you have to realise that the breaking point is *never* because "impolite" or "unreasonable"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is a bit earlier from the #freenode channel but the meat is there in #eulora
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it was in eulora chan and linked from MP's comment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: did you read the log of the freenode-idiocy re won't federate ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman needs to go afk for a bit, will bbl
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you need to work a bit more on your own position there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: there is no "let us", no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "if only you'd told the cow how beautiful it is, it would have answered with a gracious thank you" or what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: think of it this way: if I go to a cow, tell it something and it moos back, do you think it mood because I told it "the wrong thing"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ignore them entirely for a bit; are you clear & sure of what you are offering there & what you want from them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but the important part is to be very clear as to what you say;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you should focus on your message; let *them* figure out what to say and if they come up with nonsense, that's their shame and loss, you'll write the blog post with it and so it stays
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you do *not* care about what "they are going to say"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: 2. realise that there isn't a direct link between this and 1;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: 1. don't say the wrong thing, no; note that the "wrong thing" is something other than what was discussed e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-04#1004582
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re your question on http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-1/#comment-55392 - you are confusing the contexts there (or not really making a proper separation at all); read http://ossasepia.com/2017/01/25/feelings-are-helpful-but-not-for-idiots/ and see if that answers it for you; if it doesn't, ask me again.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what's still bothering/troubling you re contacting the irc network admins already?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's "working" only in the magical sense really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: not only that but also wth good does to you some working server if you have no idea how to fix/wtf even is wrong really it when it stops working
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: it *may* be worth it to talk to them and see if any of them are sane, sure; but don't expect too much and especially don't do this *instead* of talking to the network admins themselves
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: talking to existing admins can be a good idea but only along the lines above ie wtf are you doing worshipping the idiots people, instead of joining the republic; fwiw I think it might be a harder sell because you effectively go empty-handed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: otherwise what you are buying is a piece of metal and someone else's hard-to-even-evaluate-properly commitments
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the only way you would get what you say is if you talked to the admin, got him to register a key with deedbot and basically brought him into the republic
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, the negative spaces, the things around; but I can see why it might be a problem for you as you focus on the details and therefore don't quite get to view the whole -> can't see what's missing, ofc. Anyways, one step at a time, you'll get there, once you can at least see & summarise clearly what IS said
(ossasepia) diana_coman: obviously, if the original writer can write sanely
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: in this sense an initial summary of anything can be made simply by writing ONE single sentence for each paragraph in the original text ie writing down that one idea of each paragraph
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically when you move on/introduce another idea (note that this can be on different levels too), you start a new paragraph
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a paragraph is meant to deal with ONE idea
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: aha, it ties in with wtf are they teaching in school really; after role of punctuation, the very next step is role of paragraphs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: a review is an assessment really so you effectively compare some instance of a thing (your summary) to the definition (what a summary should be) and highlight what/where it fits & what/where it fails short + why/in what way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what is the role of paragraphs in a text?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the other thing, such local-summary approach is extremely limiting; in some sense it's falling for local minima/maxima instead of overall minima/maxima.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when/if you go at it only locally e.g. "summarizing each paragraph", you are effectively focusing on the proverbial trees instead of the forest and for one thing the result is at best unbalanced (usually disjointed as is the case with your original summary)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: furthermore, a chosen number of words total works a bit like "zoom level" when you take a photograph really: you should be able to present the same argument at different levels of detail.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but at any rate and at all times, writing a good summary requires that you first fully grasp not only what are the starting and ending points + what is said in between but also what is crucial for the argument and what not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: there are texts so concise that you can't really summarise them any further e.g. the famous short story "For sale: baby shoes, never worn"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so text, summary and expansion share a starting point (with all its characteristics so more like a starting *place*), a chosen path (out of all possible ones) and a conclusion but they differ in how quickly one travels from A to B ie how much non-crucial detail is present
(ossasepia) diana_coman: conversely, expanding a text would mean taking smaller steps on that same road, stopping as it were to consider matters along the way in more detail
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now with all the above on the table, making a summary reduces to compressing this same path so that instead of 100 steps, it takes only 50 or 25 to get from same starting point to same ending and without missing any of the crucial points along the way
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as a reader, your duty is to take in and evaluate the path itself while being also aware of what it leaves out/avoids/doesn't take into account
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but in any case, it flows from some starting point to some conclusion, ideally allowing the reader to follow the newly made bridge/path
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 4. the investigation itself has some antecedents, it can make some assumptions (ideally stated), it can reference other things
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3. it has some scope (ie what it covers and what it doesn't cover) and some chosen level of detail
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 2. as any investigation, it has to look at the chosen topic from some perspective(s)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re "what is a summary", think of it this way: 1. any piece of text is an investigation of a topic (if it's not this, then it's not really text, merely noise)
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose my limitation/narrower viewpoint might come at times from not really granting everything the infinite set of axes, yes; on looking at it, there's no reason to limit it upfront like this, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: but you are right in that indeed, any distinct sets are effectively opposite with the symmetry point somewhere in between
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see it; there's no limitation due to axes, it's n-dimensional space so infinity of axes
(trilema) diana_coman: or of y or of z or of *something* that is same though
(trilema) diana_coman: no; they are both measures of x coordinate
(trilema) diana_coman: not of any +3
(trilema) diana_coman: -3 on an axis is the opposite of +3 on the same axis
(trilema) diana_coman: ie they represent the same sort of thing
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: they have the axis in common, not the value
(trilema) diana_coman: because to me no shared elements means simply distinct, not opposite
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, I see; I can work with the set-theory, just not the one I directly reach for when "opposite"
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't see it; owning is the opposite of not owning; in as much as borrowing is not owning, there's the opposite; ducks don't enter into it
(trilema) diana_coman: not "nothing in common with"
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, opposite is same thing, different sign, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; will have to watch to see.
(trilema) diana_coman: really? next you'll become a woman because exactly opposite or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: but you see, there is precisely that, basically what you call post kill-bill tarantino -> tarkovsky and it's dubious that such thing happens if really "totally the opposite"
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll have to watch some of that then.
(trilema) diana_coman: that's what I saw and so -> wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yeah
(trilema) diana_coman: because holly hell wtf cut leg entirely but still moving about, no blood loss problem even half an hour later or wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: heh; to me they are really following own specific way of showing stuff; both are to some extreme and can be labelled idiotically
(trilema) diana_coman: dunno, on the same approach I could add tarantino really
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you think same of ~all tarkovsky's films or just specifically solaris?
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, anyone able to actually do something useful is someone I want to talk to, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940558 - sure, I'll shoot him an email, why not; fwiw I haven't yet got to struggling with the sound stuff (still at particles&proc textures) but it's getting closer
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what is a review?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you are on the right track there but you need to go in more detail too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you see, it *already* helped, as you found out what a summary should be, at the very least!
(ossasepia) diana_coman waves at baitbot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: where in the world do you live anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: well, can't beat bitcoin for being paid cash really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as long as you don't end up with "can't move items around", it's fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: so what's the broader long-term plan?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: I have to go awk atm but hang around and read about, we might talk some more in a few hours/tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (if you follow the link there's a longer discussion)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter re linguistics, I'd say there might quite an interesting change brought in by blogs-as-actual-medium ; there's this thread from #trilema for instance: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930351
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: so why "geeks" and not "linguists"? do you work/use on any specific project?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: interesting; look at the topic of this chan, there's that deed there, can you read the text of the deed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha; how's that 24/7/365?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what are you studying?
(trilema) diana_coman: it did reconnect properly the times when it just lost connection; hm, the log I saw for when unreachable, it was trying to connect
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks, I'll have a look; fwiw so far bvt's fix actually worked well for ossabot
(trilema) diana_coman: can't hurt either
(trilema) diana_coman: works in #pizarro, I'll go and read
(trilema) diana_coman: not that "oh, so currently not under fire because they are firing at piz"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok, but the point here is that moldavians managed to mitigate it while under fire.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: dunno, moldavians managed to mitigate it sanely without unplugging my logger
(trilema) diana_coman had to follow quite a few things at the same time during this last hr so didn't focus on pizarro specifically.
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O they mitigated by unplugging the paying customer, I see.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes re piz house; I was just noting that those have nothing to do with cloaks and irc at any rate.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform eulora server unreachable; my blog idem.
(trilema) diana_coman: ok but the problem is still there, only ...better hidden, no/
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: are you saying that "have a cloak -> no problem" or what exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: moldavians seem to be doing fine so far ie attack still on from what they say but not making it through.
(trilema) diana_coman: ddos attack seems to be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as to the Fuck guy, lolz, he worked hard to tell you no; such dedication really.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw, it may well be, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: read it now; gives the full context to my summary of the position here, doesn't it?
(trilema) diana_coman: there seems to be some overall bad-internet-weather as far as I can see
(trilema) diana_coman: after a while it got back though, currently responding
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: there was a bit earlier some weird stuff, couldn't connect to smg servers + eulora client fell down for lack of response from server
(trilema) diana_coman: that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm still waiting on the isp to tell me wtf went on
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yes, my bot is not cloaked; dunno if that would make much of a diff tbh
(trilema) diana_coman: should be synced now, thank you
(trilema) diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly.
(trilema) diana_coman: shucks, 1 min please to sync the shit
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol! I'll have a look; but first need to sort out bot-isp-trouble.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ossabot fell down for a bit too and machine was reset so I need to find out from isp wtf; grrr.
(trilema) diana_coman: ouch, snsabot down again
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: heh, have fun!
(trilema) diana_coman: and then teledickensis too ?
(trilema) diana_coman goes back to futzing-particles in eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940024 - this is like kindergarten-lesson, found myself repeating "ask!!!" in #o too, no idea why/what is so hard about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you have a comment from MP in mod-queue on your blog, approve it so I can see it too, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile an initial look at irc networks suggests they might be ~all about as lively as a corpse really; but anyways, oftc, undernet, espernet and dalnet seem to have made it to the top to be contacted in the coming days.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "wysiwg" is for the guinea pigs and the illiterate pretty much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just use the html editor like literate people already
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so you can ofc move items about with copy/paste
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: html list is simply <ol> <li> one list item </li> <li> another list item </li> </ol>
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: dunno if that irc services thing is of any use/interest/maybe help still; e.g. achurch.org/services/docs-5.1.24/tech/5.html
(ossasepia) diana_coman doesn't know ircd in any real detail
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc it's supposed to be modular so in principle you can add to it as needed?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re ircd, it's really up to you re version or whatever but honestly, I'd rather choose the smallest/most minimal thing to start with, just to be able to figure it out
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: good; ask/speak up if there is/appears later anything else that doesn't make full sense to you because you do need to have a very clear idea of it before you can successfully talk about it, ofc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: does this clear up a bit the "not sales" part at least
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and obv, you'll blog the result either way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, that list of requirements and so on is mostly for you to do an initial filtering of the most obviously-idiotic; but otherwise let *them* point you at it and request whatever; you have the stuff and make them an offer, that's about it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, no; I doubt that's any use really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but after all, the situation is precisely this: we want to move away from freenode and we have the resources to stand up our own server; we think network X is sensible and won't turn down some additional resources, so how about they link our server ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: our own; I doubt they even have logs, do they?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter re testing, after standing up ircd, you mirror the tmsr chans here with the help of existing loggers for instance
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: does that make sense? is there some bit/part that you'd rather approach differently (how)?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alternatively, you can say well, there's no wartime-testing better than the war itself and plunge in but no idea how hairy it can/may get; I don't really have experience running ircd
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re testing in wartime conditions - this is valid for anything anyway ie if you want to do proper testing upfront, you still need the whole orchestra, no/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: first you pick and stand up some ircd; then you go as representative of tmsr and armed with all the logs re activity + chans + users and talk to networks, see which one is saner; they can come with all sorts of requests but you can consider them first, it's not like you have to do anything they ask
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so avoiding this in the 1st step is not really earning you anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but in any case, you'll need to *bridge* it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so if you want to pick dalnet's, on whatever ground, fine; if you want to pick something else, fine;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point is: you *will* need to get to know that software, whatever you pick
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, not yet there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: eh, so let them evaluate and if anything speak up, etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie sure, numbers; whether they add up however to any real activity is still dubious
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you know, the trouble with "size of dalnet" is pretty much the trouble with "1mn unique visitors" on blogs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter not even sure - how would they exactly check that you are running "their ircd"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so why not run that dalnet ircd anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the point is: don't let apparent requests deter you upfront anyway; but to be able to talk to them from a proper position, you do need to know very well what you are running there and what you are willing to do or not; but let *them* ask if they want some nonsense, anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that's still rather 2nd consideration as far as I see it; ie you already have something and are reaching out; they can then require all sorts and you'll consider
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and given how ~dead they seem in general + what passes for "awesome software solutions" nowadays, I half-expect "their custom ircd" to not even run on a sane tmsr environment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie I have this server and chans and people, active unlike your shit, do you federate my server or should I find others?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the thing is that you are in a much better position to talk to them if you already actually have your server basically
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the server; you'll need to run it and in time bridge it to other networks supposedly, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what software are you going to run? how well do you know it? do you have any experience with it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: europnet supposedly aims specifically to "integrate across europe" so it would be particularly lulzy if they ...refuse to integrate
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc there was efnet mentioned too, though I don't see it in your list
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: looking at your list, I see undernet, dalnet, ircnet, oftc, europnet maybe
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what networks did you join?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: I suspect that's extremely true for...most of them, myeah
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: however, before asking them re federating server, the first step is to just join some chans and look around, read for a bit
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