(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and books are *heavy*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: are there some specific books you need all of a sudden? why/what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re books I don't know - you can't order them there or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for CR you need basics in luggage + making sure you can work from there (incl...travel adapters if needed, lolz) & preparing the ground as much as you can;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, back to it: for tmsr you need to setup your blog, do the travel backlog, do the post that kept growing/was postponed; hopefully this last one was not abandoned until now but anyways
(ossasepia) diana_coman: some tasks are by frequency, others by topic and so on
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all items need to be same type aka if you classify something, you can't change criteria in the middle
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you really need to learn to structure stuff better; for one thing you are mixing categories there, what sort of enummeration is that ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so let's see, you have 3 main things: tmsr, cr trip, meat
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: converting btc is anyway useful, I'd say; dc or no dc, I really don't see why *not* do it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: as long as you did not spill it over 30 at least; though honestly, you are overthinking/over-optimising too soon
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: so get them already.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: go ahead and ride it, really; do it well and it's worth it, what.
(trilema) diana_coman: no worries, I'm not exactly fresh myself either
(trilema) diana_coman: they are quick and they will do as told just as long as it doesn't take it out of the pen, that's about it.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: even replied to it http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943779
(trilema) diana_coman: if it's not that, I can go anywhere for same thing,not worth all the time.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I *am* asking them precisely that and nothing less.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, there were at least *some* in the whole list saying kvm; and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't think it matters where if they do as told and come register and invoice with deedbot etc.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: better email them too or something, there are so many, it's not like I can cover all anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore; they will filter themselves, as above.
(trilema) diana_coman: in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds good, go ahead.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this to-do list is to help you focus & organise, not an exam
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: my q was *how long*; because if you can jot it down in half-hour max, do it and publish it and we can use it; if it takes you one day, it's not worth it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: schedule is fine, sure, but a different thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that's a schedule; a to-do list goes 1. find out if/where I can buy a generator in CR 2. write the full post on interests 3. ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: how long does it take you to jot down a to-do list for this week?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: from what I understand you know people there already so talk to them, ask them etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but do *look* before you go, plan it or it won't happen
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes, I meant one in CR
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, *that* is certainly more pressing because without electricity, uhm; so can't you get a generator or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: listen, focus this week, ok? list the things you *have* to do, pin that list on your nose if you have to but *stick* to it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but in any case: it might be more difficult to actually get a FG as such atm esp if it's just like that to try one/no clear useful output in sight.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I wouldn't worry about that *now*; plenty more pressing matters really; fwiw costa ricans are used to own dirt roads and no addresses anyway so yeah, I'd be surprised if it doesn't make it to your door brought by a smiley girl too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it might be easier actually; mp got his without any trouble, in cr (and not by special mail or anything of the sort)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it is that one wants 1 rack just like one wants own bathroom; ie not to share.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but do plan your stuff /luggage/trip/whatever for cr too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to mention - you don't need it *now* anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dunno if this changes once pizarro ashes settle down but it's not something you should wait on now
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: atm afaik FG are not for sale really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ideally with breaks too esp since it's potentially something on which you need to do background thinking too ie while doing other stuff
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you don't need a too-detailed breakdown; what you *do* need however is a clear limit on other activities (ie reserved time for the work)
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I just made my stock email telling them what I want and now sending it around with way less filtering (because there isn't much to filter); I expect there'll be some emails waiting for me tomorrow but dunno if anything positive.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's your plan for those few days until the Sunday deadline?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it's not just "bad enough", no.
(trilema) diana_coman: the dc around here are just about as idiotic as last time I looked, at least via email; ie the only dim possibility might be if I get to visit at some point and somehow find some human in there but I'm not giving it many chances and so I can't spend current limited time on this.
(trilema) diana_coman: but I won't put my blog there too, just no.
(trilema) diana_coman: I've recovered and parked younghands still in Chisinau because I can't keep those guys in #o doing nothing, it's worse enough as it is
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: so far sadly none that I want to try at all; and yes, I've been looking & talking to idiots precisely because I *need my blog* back online already
(trilema) diana_coman: so need a serious whip too or on-repeat
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked
(ossasepia) diana_coman: while it may seem initially "easier", it's a whole lot *harder* as soon as you actually try to do anything with it (ie as soon as you need to do a restore)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and more generically, the approach "will grab the looks" betrays a user view of the matter rather than an owner's
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to add the meat to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-09#1004872 : the reason why a recursive wget is a very poor "backup" solution is that you get the *output* rather than the source of your website; ie the restore will be a pain in the ass.
(trilema) diana_coman: if anyone needs them, the mpwp V tree is live on younghands.club
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack thimbronion , anyone else interested, v-trees page (with mpwp patches only, for now): http://younghands.club/v-trees/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I suspect there were a few layers slowing that install down; anyways, good to know it works well.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: moral being, don't rush.
(trilema) diana_coman: mirroring ftw
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, for now I think it won't hurt to put up a page with vpatches on younghands.club too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and what the fuck is this, "has issues"; next it will have rights too or something; either you say specifically what is *wrong* with your setup or you sort it out already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, v can't have issues, sorry to inform.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: myeah, I had the ref code page on ossasepia.com ; ofc; of fucking course.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but hm, do you people have at least a working V locally?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: probably will come in handy for others too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: right; let me put it somewhere on younghands.club I suppose
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I know it was; the q is if you still have it locally though;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: thimbronion do you have mp-wp?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thank you BingoBoingo for saving their asses really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack, thimbronion talk to BingoBoingo and get your backups then; but yes, MAKE BACKUPS.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that's a rather ugh solution
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: a script dumping the db locally + ran by crontab; another script+crontab retrieving the whole www + home dirs remotely & storing them to the 1st backup level
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw the bitch was making sure I have latest mpwp; because shit, hanbot's site is down, billymg's site is down and yes, I had backups of the db and www but not of all software too, sigh.
(trilema) diana_coman: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I've restored from own backup and as far as I can see there's no loss; let me know if you spot any trouble though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, shrysr, lobbes, whaack, thimbronion, anyone else even remotely interested: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: *always* set up backups; always.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: don't you have your own backups?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: works; the pizarro imploding is indeed catastrophic-level so needs tending; but: what do you mean re backups?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the node, you can run it with mivocloud, at least there isn't as yet any node there, helps with the spread
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but other than that, what diff does it make really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so I'd say for a shared place, just go with whatever, maybe even some dc close enough to you if you think you can actually end up later talking to them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the whole idea of a vps is that it's fungible so...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, if you want a vps, I don't really know if it makes any difference really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw so far mivocloud indeed still looks best for access & responsiveness.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what are your requirements exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: it's for "s-avem si noi falitii nostri"
(trilema) diana_coman: so far they failed spectacularly in my books, what can I say; malaysians might do better.
(trilema) diana_coman: austrians know how to make proper hot chocolate!
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, I need to write it down ready for paste, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose next time I'm in Bucharest, if I *really* have nothing to do, I'll go and visit data centre, make them call one another until the room is full and keep them going blink-blink
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943109 - fwiw, I *did* tell them what I wanted, specifically; that's when they went blink-blink-blink and then... do you need gpu?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: can't hurt for sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: re their handling of inboxes, my best explanations is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942700
(trilema) diana_coman: you mean like "data centres wanting to actually do business, here's what you need to do" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: for extra lulz had some swiss guys too: I asked them 4 questions even numbered; they took 1 day to come back with a reply that sort-of and without referencing, covered maybe 2; I replied and pointed out that an aswer that doesn't answer makes for funny reading so will they answer questions 1 and 4 now? they came back answering only 1.
(trilema) diana_coman: but still, need "account"
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: actually I woke up to a bunch of emails saying "you do need an account BUT no need to fill in any info really, just email plz"
(trilema) diana_coman: berlin?
(trilema) diana_coman: guten morgen mp_en_viaje
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 - certainly need materials and yes, I think mod6 would do a great job annotating the trb code and generally getting it moving again.
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942950 - ty asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: and ukrainians (or so it seems) with servers around europe do not list opterons but are amenable to offer it if one asks.
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you asciilifeform for the vpatches.
(trilema) diana_coman: bot & reader deployed to latest head (aka no shlex-mlex mess); searches with ' should not fail anymore
(trilema) diana_coman: !o version
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !o help
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re paste.deedbot it might be ~ http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942251
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nm, found the trouble, it was corrupted sig file on my end; sorry about the trouble, it's been a long day here.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: did you actually check/press to that last shlex_removal?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you see the problem on "uninterrupted" but others see it on "think about something" , you know
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't have box ready for this (I wasn't actually prepared for pizarro death, what can I say) + I'd rather know a bit more about those to whom I'm sending boxes, dunno.
(trilema) diana_coman: so despite the lovely amd, I think I can't currently stomach its masters.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: while they were willing to talk/ask someone else to come and talk to this weird woman, they were utterly shocked at ~any request; to the point of 4min silence followed by a total change of subject
(trilema) diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: from bucharest with amd-love: amd opteron x2150 apu 4 cores 1.5GHz 8 GB ddr3, centos7
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942398 -neah, Reading near London; there are a few data centers right next door, it's a rather active area in this sense.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah but a bit too many potentially + having to get to it is yet another thing on top of a huge pile
(trilema) diana_coman: but yes otherwise and moreover, it's no diversity if I don't go with moldavians but I go with Bucharest; 0 diversity in that really
(trilema) diana_coman: ie it's one thing if you look at it to make an isp and another if not
(trilema) diana_coman: it *is* poor site; but a. still better than no site b. for diversity/maybe finding some actual people it may still work
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw romanians are *still* the most responsive for some reason; and honestly, I even tried to steer away from ro.
(trilema) diana_coman: some are yet to wake up and answer
(trilema) diana_coman: some are at least...looking to see if they can
(trilema) diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I am slowly digesting log (because I ate too much ips-talk today really) but I'll get to that too, thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal; but anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman goes to eat some log
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.
(trilema) diana_coman will take a break and bbl.
(trilema) diana_coman: quite so, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: sure; but then what, am I going to run after him with more money, wtf.
(trilema) diana_coman: and at any rate, I clearly need to have stuff in more than 1 place, it's not sane to pile it all up in Chisinau as it's not sane to pile it all up anywhere else really
(trilema) diana_coman: it's one thing to say he can't this and that; it's another thing to piss on business, dunno.
(trilema) diana_coman: but atm I need a home for ossasepia.com and one for younghands.club and Maxim rather pissed me off
(trilema) diana_coman: I keep hoping not...
(trilema) diana_coman: after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath; at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: my younghands.club backups are fine too so I can confirm I don't need anything from the shared machine re younghands.club either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the avoidance by hard work; it's a thing too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-08#1004833 - it's very easy to suddenly find *other* things (of all sorts, even nasty ones) spilling over into time for that one-thing-I-really-don't-want-to-do
(trilema) diana_coman: both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection; full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on); for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today"
(trilema) diana_coman: the website's backup is fully fine (ie from the shared pizarro machine nothing's needed for smg)
(trilema) diana_coman: I doubt it makes any difference though ie it was just me and dpb connected and neither of us active otherwise.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: my latest db backup on production server is from Saturday (5th October); apparently the Sunday one didn't make it through.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: before asking to destroy, I'd much rather go through the steps of actually restoring from existing backups though; ie yes, backups we certainly have but I wouldn't push destroy button just yet if it's not burning hot.
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated ; take that asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, the need for diversity lends them a good hand currently.
(trilema) diana_coman: the way I see it, atm a logger is just about what they can handle anyways.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw re moldavians, I intend to keep the logger there; they *did* shoot themselves in the foot and so I won't add to that what I planned, but I won't move it away either.
(trilema) diana_coman: by now I'll try it anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: it would be the keks of time if now the singaporean very-tightly-process-no-idea-outside guys actually manage to pass the hurdle and accept payment via deedbot
(trilema) diana_coman: that much though is true for anyone; ie either they make time for x or they..don't have it ; and yes, they can eat and drink until they die (though as the line goes, that'll come quickly)
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: indeed; though it was that "your stuff"; pretty much "rigid study languages, no time to communicate" just here it's rigidly sticking boxes in racks, no time to know wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: had yest in #o a funny guy (not romanian though) who was so very busy studying 20 languages (very rigid program!!!) that he didn't have any time for...communicating
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, that myeah; it did quite start like that indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, some lines in the sand are perhaps even sane to have; but there doesn't seem to be any re-evaluation or anything, extremely rigid in weird places.
(trilema) diana_coman: what boggles the mind though is that he'd go to the trouble of coming here for 1 hour or even more if asked; but he would turn down several colo boxes rather than set a guy to do !!withdraw
(trilema) diana_coman: quite possibly because of uninterrupted bad-experience with anything else previously really
(trilema) diana_coman goes back to searching for isp
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: yes, it does; you can withdraw the funds to any btc address; ie you receive it in your own deedbot wallet and then you can !!withdraw to anywhere
(trilema) diana_coman: so then it's only me, ok.
(trilema) diana_coman: or not from here at least
(trilema) diana_coman: that one yes; the help though not.
(trilema) diana_coman: I thought he wasn't but atm I can't access trinque.org nor http://deedbot.org/help.html
(trilema) diana_coman: ofc the help page is on trinque.org that seems also down, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: deedbot does more than just voice in chan; specifically here, it provides a wallet service for people in the wot; ie you can deposit/withdraw bitcoin from/to any address you want + you can invoice & pay invoices between wallets directly for any amount.
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: the fg is a hardware rng and it can be connected to any USB port but for colocated machines it will most likely be inside already ie not an external thing
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo there's at least the pic lol http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: kind of how it goes, ~always; there's more actual history accumulated, after all.
(trilema) diana_coman would really rather not talk data centre stuff in Latin
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_f_: better keep on flying and leave the irc for when you are back on the ground
(trilema) diana_coman: not bad
(trilema) diana_coman waves to mp_en_viaje
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: do they have any separate net pipes? or is it basically the same if I get a server in Iasi or in Chisinau?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello whaack_flying
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, good.
(trilema) diana_coman: ok; so you have the infrastructure in Chisinau only; correct?
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: but do you have infrastructure there ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mivocloud.com seems to say moscow & oregon too - is that outdated ?
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: do you offer colo in Chisinau only or in Romania too or where?
(trilema) diana_coman: still waiting for MP atm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: I'll set up younghands.club at new address later today and will ping people when it's done; other than that though this week is clearly no-deadline thing ie publish it when you can rather than by any deadline.
(trilema) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: you can !!up with deedbot yourself and then it's permanent rather than in 30min slots
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up maxim_mivo
(trilema) diana_coman: email sent, will continue reading the logs
(trilema) diana_coman is still eating the logs
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941886 - I'll fire him an email in a bit; thing is I'll be at console some 10 minutes past the austrian-10am
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sure, in all fields; but learning languages while avoiding communication is so ...divorced of reality that I don't yet have full words for it really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: iirc he said something (possibly before coming here) re travelling the world and making money out of vlogging
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I fished him out of some oftc sad&deserted chan that wasn't however cat-v; can't even recall exactly which one, I did a foray in thimbronion's selection of networks the other day
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the multiple lulz here is that he claimed he focused on studying languages of all things; but other than that it's very common really; this "word x -> reply y", no meaning involved, no person really, just an automaton repeating - as you say - mantras
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, but that "just repeating the mantra" is precisely the "modern day autism" I mentioned; you'll meet it already if you just say something "out of script" to whatever employee
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: in principle single-minded focus to the extreme; he was *very* triggered by some impression that "not strong" though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: how/why's that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: studying 20 languages but being utterly unable to communicate; takes the whole modern autism to another level.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can't argue with a man on a very rigid plan, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: not at all, no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: no, I have no idea about your personal strength; but you are talking to your own strawmen there, not to what I said.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: neah, you got the wrong end of the stick there, simmer down.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: if your worry here is geting into a relationship ie time-eating
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: uhm, if that's your worry, put it to rest, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: ^ is for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I mean: it sounds like a very strong will and all that, hopefully it also works well for you; but still.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: *some* slack time has to be part of the most rigid program too; for that matter you are still human, not a robot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: and so if/when opportunity knocks on your door you say "I have no time because I have a very rigid program" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter why not ask re irc/equivalent networks/chans; I have no idea exactly what they have in there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rekt_: up to you really but note that 1. no opportunity lasts forever 2. busy may be at one time or another, but can't quite last for days on end (or you have a very serious problem with your own time management there)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: well, you can always send them to my logger that is fine and well ofc; but anyways, yes, I'd wait a bit for now to get out of the pizmess first, one way or another
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but realise that you are giving them the crumbs to follow and that because you are kind hearted pretty much; you are specifically *not* explaining yourself to them because they have no such claim over you, nor can they have it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can ofc give basic explanations, there's the main forum #trilema and then various castles covering different aspects, it's growing etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: come and talk to us directly, why not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and invite them to join to find out more, sure, why not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: in this particular context I'd give them the logger really with direct statement that look, we have several very active and lively chans + infrastructure and all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: several steps.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: talking involves actually interacting with the other party ie reacting as well as stating the facts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re coming from - TMSR in this case, hopefully that much is clear
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what's the unclear part there? you know, like every time you go to a new place, you say hello and where you're coming from + why you are there + asking who should you be talking to if not there/them; let them answer, answer the challenges etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re your blog yes, ugh; we will have to wait and sort it out first indeed, for several reasons; re plan though: you just need to go to their admin chan or whatever and *ask* who is in charge + talk, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: all right; how about http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-07#1004754 ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: say something
(trilema) diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back
(trilema) diana_coman: because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that is at best a sort of passive understanding of a thing and it's *not enough*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not enough to say "I agree with X's statement"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: some words are your own if you a. know exactly what they mean b. know exactly why you chose to use *each of them* to say whatever you are saying
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: practice; try restating that goal-statement in at least 3 ways.
(trilema) diana_coman: wb BingoBoingo
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: all right; mind you state the goal in your *own words* + ask if stuck/lost again, yes?
(trilema) diana_coman: hopefully.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's been unreachable since yesterday evening (or at least that's when I checked and found out nope)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 - you know, I *want to* publish it but I have no working blog.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: on the irc task: what's your current plan re talking to them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but note that a review in itself is *not concerned* with whatever excuses; it's concerned with evaluating the thing reviewed, as it stands, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at the end, you can add then the discussion as to why each fail, sure; it's basically part of fulfilling that original goal of the exercise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: do the simplest of structures: start with the goal (you're reviewing your own summary as an exercise and as a needed step to be able to improve on next attempt) overall conclusion (it sucks on aspect A, B, C; there is perhaps D that sort of works but fails short on E etc) and then take each of those aspects and detail them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: there are several ways you can structure your review, sure; but structure it you must; if it's just "something that grew", it's the above slop.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you should get some slop for dinner, served with a very nice label "this is cordon bleu"; see what that does for you.