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(trilema) diana_coman: well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not.
(trilema) diana_coman: girlattorney: best to get him register a key and come and talk really.
(trilema) diana_coman: that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all.
(trilema) diana_coman: is he trying to build a business or is this just his private server or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: so it's compound-guard rather than private
(trilema) diana_coman: that shared private guard is the lulz of time; how does that work?
(trilema) diana_coman: presumably he is trying to grow a business there or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: girlattorney: so have him come over, register a key, talk to people, why not
(trilema) diana_coman: girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead.
(trilema) diana_coman: girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!reputation girlattorney
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-10#1005261 - I'll take a rockchip there if you do it; when would this be available?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: how about that server?
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: go with 2016 and see
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dang, I'll have to upload *that* too,won't I
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's anyway not fully sure it will work properly since it's probably not adacore's
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: go with 2016
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: no, you need a gnat,lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyone else interested, the v_keccak starter zip + my sig for it is ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and on looking again I think I read "python" instead of php hence ultra-barfed on the version.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that makes sense at least, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it used to live on my blog, sigh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: let me upload it to younghands.club
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah and ubuntu 18 is already rather dog-food but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ok, at least that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I get it; just... it so seems you are making it harder for yourself at every juncture, sigh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I suppose you also installed latest wordpress though, didn't you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yuuuuuck
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suspect you sometimes barf a bit too early really; and can't quite expect one confronted with barf to then also wait for what might follow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but the way I read it, you weren't meant to personally cover it anyway; and the "asked" was esp re list of items because now it seems you actually have at least 4u of irons, possibly more?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: why didn't you want to do that when mp asked but you want to do it now? I'm confused; maybe I still did not digest the #t logs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: do you have a keccak V?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all vpatches currently in use are meant to use keccak hashes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because that looks like you are not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: are you using a keccak V?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you forgot the actual paste?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ok; just remember that Sunday eod is also deadline for the plan + review anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what's your plan re yuour blog, I don't recall?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I think by now *that* might be just about the only potential trouble really; ie if some needed package meanwhile became unobtainable.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: aha.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at least everyone here, hopefully yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I might get to follow them tomorrow only, with a fresh(er) mind.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll get on it, thank you asciilifeform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: please do, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thanks, I will.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'm a bit tired so it might not come across properly but I do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thank you, I really do appreciate the offer though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform I would just leave it, really; I'll set it up on what I have and see how it works out since if it really doesn't, I might have a bigger problem anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, I have 2014 and I have 2016, lolz; anyway, I'll try to work with what I have.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: aha, don't do that please;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I found a 2014, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that's a bit last option , I'd say; thank you; atm I'm rummaging to see if I have any gentoo 2015
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: kleopatra and gpg4win, usually even the most noobish people managed to follow but you might still need to hold her hand over it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: there is that tutorial on eulorum, I linked it earlier for one of the isp guys, that's about it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: who? Mia?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what do you rebake it from?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what are *you* doing on a windows machine?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: does it take a lot to rebake?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the dev one, when I'm done trimming *all* mess, it should work, but still.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: at any rate, there are 2 servers and the production one still carries all dependencies so it won't compile on cuntoo for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, it was proto-cuntoo, remember? the "proper cuntoo" didn't really move past the genesis & tarballs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I'm still digesting #t logs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you have anywhere/can I have an image of what you installed on the s.mg machines? as it's on older, frozen version of gentoo, I'm not sure I can reproduce it exactly otherwise.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: and yes, irc isp suite would have been great; I'm quite sure it would have made my search way more fruitful too really.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: now you released the trackbacks and feedbot is foaming with them, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: as mp_en_viaje says, in time you could bridge this over with custom software too but for the moment just a person to do the bridging (or 2-3 on shifts, whatever); you know what'd work
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahaha; quite
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: basically establish a presence on irc too, they'll probably even train up while at it, if anything.
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: and I get what you say re mixed, not like I didn't talk to...ahem, quite a lot of isp employees those days.
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: that was my email, lol; it won't really work for everyone anyway; and really, what's against irc? it's ok, we don't bite the unexperienced.
(trilema) diana_coman: that is not going to work at all.
(trilema) diana_coman: so they can escalate it internally in any way; the point is: one contact here and then that contact can escalate and do whatever in your system
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: they can come online too, no? have them reg a key each and leave a znc on, what
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: via deedbot please.
(trilema) diana_coman: or that, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: the chan is logged at http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema if you missed anything
(trilema) diana_coman: this is how ossasepia is moving to the US, pfft.
(trilema) diana_coman: speaking of which: crowncloud_ I'll take that intel in atlanta whatevers, I need my blog up; put centos 6 on it and invoice me via deedbot.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, in the end the london guy wasted my morning; after which I have 2 people actually showing up; what can I say.
(trilema) diana_coman: trackbacks while walking through the forest
(trilema) diana_coman: was there anyone close to either LA or Atlanta? apparently that's where crowncloud_ has datacenter space for colo.
(trilema) diana_coman: done; and drat re lost conn.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 8C614463FB2BF748EA00DA9E0ACBB7D18CF0C6DC7CC551D783379E4DA0964112
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v A1B52FE1392A081098D1D1863E47DC17C27FA62EB883E12045F84165C3625703
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate Metronix 2 Indonesian ISP with 10 years close connection to local ISP; can invoice via deedbot; currently out of capacity for colo.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate crowncloud_ 2 Australian ISP with US dc-partner; can invoice via deedbot.
(trilema) diana_coman: crowncloud_: answered my email by coming and registering with deedbot ; he's from crowncloud.net
(trilema) diana_coman hasn't yet got around to rate crowncloud_ ; will do
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up crowncloud_
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: please join #trilema and we'll get back to this later; I'll probably take an Intel for now anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: reasons are complicated why I prefer older, not to do with benchmarks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: mind joining #trilema please? there's Mircea Popescu who wants to talk to you (he's the CEO of Minigame, among other things)
(trilema) diana_coman: lemme bring him over
(trilema) diana_coman: wtf else can I do
(trilema) diana_coman: so tbh I think I'll get one to get my blog online already
(trilema) diana_coman: he has intel machines only but at least can invoice via deedbot apparently
(trilema) diana_coman: I got an australian-with-dc-partner-in-US to register with deedbot
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: oh, hi
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, centos 6 can work for the emergency, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: for a current emergency it might work; what OS *can* you install on it so I don't have to do that too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: atlanta might at least be closer to some people, I'll have to ask
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, my likes don't quite include another ton of operating systems really if I can help it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: your site lists some servers in atlanta too; what's that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: can you put gentoo with python 2.7 (NOT older) + gcc 4.9 (not older) on them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: los angeles is a bit iffy for sending machines really but I'll look into it anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: what dedicated servers do you have available and where?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll rate you a bit later today and then you'll have access to #trilema too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: ah, you registered it from crowncloud_
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: how's that rsa key making?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah; good night then!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the chan is logged too so you can catch up with anything anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ok, feel free to leave the chat on and come back later
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in that time, I'd expect you do indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: for how long have you been with them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: what data centre are you with currently?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: that's no reason not to collect all the data and have a clear plan upfront though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, better look for them before you really need them urgently, by the sounds of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: so do you have plans to expand further afield then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, he overflowed his own associate-isp or what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: that's good though, no/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: did it fill unexpectedly or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then why have to wait? lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: so who is your partner?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key Metronix
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: how come you ran out of space in the dc, lol?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: you did it, well done!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: go /msg deedbot !!register your-url
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: to deedbot, not in here
(ossasepia) diana_coman: once you paste it there, you'll get an url and you feed that to deedbot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: with the public key, go to paste.deedbot.org and paste there the contents; it should start with ----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK as in http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: keep the private key for yourself and yourself ONLY
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: ha; gpg key, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aka 4 chars, not your key id
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: it should be something like paste.deebot.org/?id=O-6u
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: can you give me the paste.deedbot url you are trying to feed to deedbot?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: the .pub is for public aka yes, the public key; the other you should keep secret; and crowncloud_ is right, make a backup at the very least, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: go to paste.deedbot.org paste in there your *public* key
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: not your key id
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and give that url to deedbot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: paste there the public key
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud_: use paste.deedbot.org
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: otherwise just look for a tutorial for Kleopatra I guess
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: you need only to make the key from there, no need to register with eulora too (though you *can*, if you want to, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: www.eulorum.org/Account_Setup
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: as you wish.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no, it was specifically to create a gpg key, iirc used for eulora
(ossasepia) diana_coman: where was that link for the step-by-step thing even
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yes, use Kleopatra
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: you could, though it's a bit dubious that the pc is *yours* if you have windows on it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is your identity as far as I'm concerned
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you need to *keep* the private key *safe* and *not lose it*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: that's not a very good idea
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not everybody is at their keyboards right now but people read the logs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: there's no rush at all; just register that key so that I know it's still you if you disconnect and otherwise if you can leave the chat on, it would work great
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: yes, that's the required spec.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: that spec would work great ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: actually that's an idea, why not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes; atm though I'm snowed in with getting stuff back online + eulora, hence building a box took a back seat; I will ping though when I get to that, thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: what do you have available for dedicated?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: don't dispair, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, I know for self but there it's colo.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok; so you are interested in colo only.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I thought you wanted a box for yourself too? or not?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind answering in #o for a bit; there's an indonesian isp guy that might do some work.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind giving Metronix your concrete specs for an amd box?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: there are several machines and several people; atm you don't seem to have the capacity for what we want
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I'm on irssi; but any way that works so you stay connected is fine with me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud: how's it going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: ok; regarding the amd dedicated servers - would you be able to order them for us, if you don't have any?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: if you register your key and hang around, there might still be something working out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: are you working towards it? when is it planned to become available?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: all right; would you be able to colocate our own servers though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: ask anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: go ahead
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key Metronix
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, welcome Metronix, glad you made it; can you register a key with deedbot please? see http://deedbot.org/help.html
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Metronix: which company are you with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello Metronix
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I see; I did think crowncloud was australian
(ossasepia) diana_coman: are you based in LA?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I saw you have datacentres in Europe and the USA?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud: would you be able to colocate?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud: there will be quite a few people around here interested if you can make it work
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can talk here, there's no problem
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud: it's a bit more than that but yes, it has wallet + invoicing + deeds + voice in #t
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: stop flying, yo!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ask if you get stuck or anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: crowncloud: would you be able to register a key with deedbot? http://deedbot.org/help.html
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key crowncloud
(ossasepia) diana_coman: glad you made it crowncloud
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello crowncloud
(trilema) diana_coman: they claim they accept payment via bitcoin to direct address though so if anyone wants their details, let me know; their datacentre is in London but I won't have anything further to do with them.
(trilema) diana_coman: and after all the time-wasting, london-guy fails; at least it's consistent with expectations.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yep, that is a sensible no 1; and otherwise, it's precisely the ranking of stuff by importance that matters; not everything is just as important at any given time and your time is limited so it should be carefully spent rather than carelessly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's your new IP?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that is theme-related but it can probably wait atm
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so make yourself a script that does that too, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why upload them via the web interface anyway? scp is surely faster esp if you have a bunch of photos
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I think billymg cut it out entirely in the last patch too so probably if you pressed all the way to it, there is none of that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the html format was never really supported by mp-wp; is that what you're looking for?
(trilema) diana_coman: how was it? "flawless" - that thing that never works that well irl
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently the london guy is asking for a rider too, pretty much.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I'm still trying here to get on top of the logs but between emails/isps/ixps lists & all that, it's not going that fast and I'm not even in the forest.
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently it occasionally kicks the can too, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: there are some guys from the netherlands too who were very humbly apologizing that they can't do it; at least not obnoxious like south koreans I suppose; but anyway, this is better on a blog for sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: and I think he took me for some swiss coman shmidt diana academic, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: but let's see if this works out because so far he's still deluded on some aspects
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'm amassing here a long list of stuff to report, myeah
(trilema) diana_coman: and I was just finishing the bashing-email, now need to tweak a bit; because he still has funny ideas.
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O meanwhile london-based director "looked up who I am" and thinks it might be possible
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw if any of you is any good making a wordpress theme, speak up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it will do for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: apparently the easiest re younghands.club theme is to simply switch it over to the "classic" that I was using on my blog too; so now it looks like ossasepia did, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: and happy 32nd birthday!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: let me know if you want me to dump somewhere that cobbled-up awk script from when I hunted a line; I don't even recall directly the state of it but problem was solved.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well done, looking forward to seeing your blog back + travel posts & pics later today.
(trilema) diana_coman: there should be more coming as I've contacted yest ~30 new providers.
(trilema) diana_coman: in early morning crop, only 4 replies: 1 is "please hold on, will enquire"; 2 is "invoicing is a problem because local laws bla" (I've replied to them with simple solution aka their person comes and interfaces); 3 is can't do + we are obnoxious and you do as we say (south koreans too!) 4. is again "help, please hold, will ask boss"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: those were some tweaks to the theme I recall; it's somewhere down the list but yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ask that Mia to register a key and come here, what; she's interested in finance after all, isn't she? invite her over.
(trilema) diana_coman: done for today, will see what emails await me tomorrow.
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr, if no human can be found, I'll lease a server in turkey and be done with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: cool deal.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ok; sleep, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ask if there is/appears more fuziness; don't polish inconsequential stuff
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and ofc, plan in some meat wot-bye time, why not, just not excessive, it's not another planet entirely
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for the post re interests, work on it every day rather than all of it in one go; and esp do it properly rather than just quickly at the end for another lack of time or whatever
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: anyway, I'd say finish setting up your blog today + any of the backlog of travel stuff you can manage; then for making luggage focus on the goals there ie what you know already that you *need*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: understand that the world *responds* to what you do, really; so there is no such generic, overall thing "can't do x or y"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so better talk to them and find out exactly what dumb thing they did to have trouble, so you don't do it too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but note that you can get them delivered there too, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (says one who lugged about a whole library though not in one go)
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