asciilifeform: y'know, sappers in popular imagination (and sometimes in life) actually clear mines, but just as often simply put little flat into the earth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loc == revenue' is simply this century's version of chinese/su 'moar steel, revenue!'
asciilifeform: complexity -- is a cost. that it sometimes also brings something in return, is incidental.
asciilifeform: rather like comparing 'lines of code'
asciilifeform: quite likely there is an eight-figure golden toilet contract right at this very moment to attempt to roster, e.g., ts clearance holders who show symptoms of having used bitcoin. and the like.
asciilifeform: this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport
asciilifeform: (it also has entirely separate component that is rivest's 'all or nothing transform')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590091 << didja try it? and, importantly, was it with a physical trng?? because noshit , ~prng~ will structurize ...
asciilifeform: here is improved scheme : '10' -> 'step left', '01' --> step right, '11' -> flip current and step left; '00' -> flip current and step right.
asciilifeform: because it is defined as simply the furthestmost '1' explored.
asciilifeform: not necessarily, you have tape as long as you like and simply rsa it in chunks of (keylen/2)
asciilifeform: as example,
asciilifeform: we did not destroy the structure, only made a (slightly) more complicated one.
asciilifeform: however it is also impossible to know in less time than O(N) ~which~ integer
asciilifeform: it is immediately obvious that this (nonturingcomplete) automaton can be used to 'write' any integer
asciilifeform: incidentally, since (to borrow the lament of turing's school headmaster) 'the room already stinks of mathematics', i'll share a tidbit that i promised folx some half year ago and promptly forgot:
asciilifeform: 'Friedman, who specializes in litigation and bankruptcy law, was a key adviser to the incoming Republican president on US-Israel affairs during the presidential campaign.'
asciilifeform: it makes it considerably harder. and, past a certain point, quite impossible.
asciilifeform: if i had any reason to think that turning v tree into a forest of vertical stakes , exponentially crowded with IDENTICAL payloads that cannot be machine-compared , would make it easier to tell friend from foe and wisdom from folly -- i would agree with mircea_popescu's algo. but i do not.
asciilifeform: a+mpseal(a) != a+randoseal(a)
asciilifeform: the mp-ness of a is provided by his seal.
asciilifeform: (this in my original example.)
asciilifeform: the example i just posted involves two people, 'a' and 'b', who follow entirely different paths, come to same place, because they do not know about one another and there is no clock. now you can give them a place to put magical comment, but again they have to have a drumbeat or agreement method of one kind or another, or they can still follow this same path.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/F4SWa/?raw=true << another example of convergence
asciilifeform: what does the string 'Patch for genesis' do in mircea_popescu's paste example ?
asciilifeform: (this was an aesthetic choice of mine, it can be revoked quite simply)
asciilifeform: see knuth's discussion of garbage collector, for related example.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the antecedent hash in this example ~is~ the entire context, because the example is so short.
asciilifeform: notice, in the munchausen example, we had only 1 file, this is equivalent to 'hash everything'
asciilifeform: the word 'later' implies an order.
asciilifeform: there is unfortunately not an escape from the clock. as per the lamportclock thread.
asciilifeform: but yes, for my simple culprit-finding algo, you DO need well-ordered set of patches.
asciilifeform: (notation seen here is simply the order in which patches apply.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i drew the graph, not seeing what is meant in your example: what means 'now both g->d->e->f->b->a and g->d->c->b->a are valid presses' ?
asciilifeform: instead of a very simple mapping.
asciilifeform: give example of how, using the munchausen set.
asciilifeform: but of course i made them the simple way, by vdiffing from genesis, but then deleting one link of the chain.
asciilifeform: you can make entirely similar example where they do, that still contains loop.
asciilifeform: i'ma post the example.
asciilifeform: and it is trivial to make, if mircea_popescu really wants, i can post an example set , with a toy key, and he can hang his vtron.
asciilifeform: think simply of the chess rule, that any player whk recreates a board position that existed at ANY previous point in the game -- forfeits.
asciilifeform: if this weren't easily detectable, vtronics would be entirely impossible
asciilifeform: if they are ~all~ lolcats, you simply have a null flow.
asciilifeform: (no patches, no sigs, and no wot, or simply 1 or 2 of these)
asciilifeform: this includes empty set
asciilifeform: it is impossible to operate correctly on a cyclical vflow.
asciilifeform: if this orphans a tree branch, it should simply fall off
asciilifeform: computing flow must never fail
asciilifeform: it was computing flow
asciilifeform: but it wasn't pressing in this example
asciilifeform: mod6: it isn't 'missing', your vtron should simply disregard everything that hung below it
asciilifeform: fwiw i definitely wasn't fully 'tuned in' until after the mpex review thing
asciilifeform: 'AI risk is string theory for computer programmers. It's fun to think about, interesting, and completely inaccessible to experiment given our current technology. You can build crystal palaces of thought, working from first principles, then climb up inside them and pull the ladder up behind you.'
asciilifeform: comp could do their work.
asciilifeform: nobody forces you to use comp either
asciilifeform: if you have 'soft' linkages between subservient keys, and no way to 'harden' them for the record, a slick operator could simply shed subpersonalities like snake skins, and there will be doubt in re the contiguity of identity, where there ought be no possibility of doubt.
asciilifeform: actually the relevant mircea_popescu article was another, where he had example of a man who is about to be hanged, but argues that the man who did the crime, is not the one who is bound and led to the gallows
asciilifeform: and there are bound to be mistakes, ranging from the harmless lul to the utter calamity, 'oops i used my 'royal alchemist' stamp instead of 'dildolathe operator by appointment to Her Majesty' stamp'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's grandfather had a gigantic tray of rubber stamps, of what must have been a dozen different shapes, and when signing a document would first stamp it with the rubber that corresponded to the imperial role in which the signing was to take place. this was orc sop. and i suppose the concept is doomed to stick around.
asciilifeform: there's no 'fixed form' from a key made on public comp tho
asciilifeform: a 'helpful' fella can simply repaste it.
asciilifeform: important thing to remember, though, is that once you sign something, it ~exists~, and you cannot control it by selectively posting it to this-public-site but not that-public-site
asciilifeform: phf: why not one op that dispatches, correctly ? is it as if the compiler ever did not know the actual operand's type ?
asciilifeform: and if this were the only such example!
asciilifeform: and there are entirely good 'scheme is skeletal to the point of complete unusability in factory state' arguments
asciilifeform: i hate to distract mircea_popescu from a good gloat re the impotence of engineer, but i'd like to see where he cuts the subj : viable conlang is impossible because no one remotely understands meat well enough? or, useless, even if it were made ? ... or both ?
asciilifeform: idea was, iirc, to make more compact thing, without 'hair' and irregular cases etc
asciilifeform: it's trivial to implement though.
asciilifeform: the only time a vtron must hard-fail, is when it is impossible for it to operate in finite time, i.e. the case where it detects a graph cycle.
asciilifeform: (it gets a temp dir jail)
asciilifeform: all 3 implementation were also (correctly) 'fail-deadly'
asciilifeform: i.e. the mechanism whereby you press a set for own consumption
asciilifeform: cost of failure, sometimes you simply live with. i signed FUCKGOATS, and it is a 'sapper makes 1 mistake' item, it is not possible to repair the units if i had made a mistake.
asciilifeform: so mod6 isn't hallucinating, he simply blindly copied my buggy original.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes had a quite complete exposition on my original vtron
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally a vtron that has my 'origin' op, can check any tree for consistency simply by iterating over the files and running origin(hash_of_file)
asciilifeform: they should simply be ignored.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1587685 << the simplest way to implement this is to iterate over the ~seals~, finding corresponding patches
asciilifeform: 'If there's a middlebox in the Swedish ISP side (theory 1), we should see that HTTP 302 responses come back much faster than HTTP 200 responses, because a hypothetical middlebox will sit between the Swedes and upstream, and therefore may respond much faster than upstream. If there is no middlebox (theory 2) we'd see comparable response times for HTTP 200 and HTTP 302. Of course, no middlebox implies quite strongly that it's the Dai
asciilifeform: even the current thread in #mod6 , is possibly an example
asciilifeform: chinese situation with rocket might be closer example.
asciilifeform: (or modern redditus uses 'found' comp...)
asciilifeform: arguably volcano is poor example, for glass. just as bird is astonishingly dead end for flight.
asciilifeform: (iirc it found a use for automagically opening temple doors when sacrificial pit was lit up)
asciilifeform: aristotelian postulates give you warm feeling of satisfaction; work-with-hands and observations-trump-theory give you ballista.
asciilifeform: it wasn't simply 'they died', their approach to thought, as i pointed out in the start of this thread, is alive and well, 'allah farted and moves electron'
asciilifeform: btw the modern greeks' attempt to unfuck (deturkify) their language, is rather lulzy to trained entomologist
asciilifeform: the strings folx willingly put themselves in the company of irigaray et al when they explicitly pissed on parsimony and physical testability.
asciilifeform: 'used diagrams, like complete tard'
asciilifeform: 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlol's discussion of 'asset stripping', in http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me that a chumpatron operator has to experience any more 'alienation' than a pig farmer. the latter does not particularly care how pigs remember his work. nor the chumpatronist -- how the chumps remember.
asciilifeform: the builder, unless he is exceptionally stupid himself, understands that it will explode. his idea is simply to be somewhere far, far away, when it does.
asciilifeform: 'libcurl's implementation of the printf() functions triggers a buffer overflow when doing a large floating point output. The bug occurs when the conversion outputs more than 255 bytes.'
asciilifeform: it is possible to make a platinum-iridium fork. and possibly it will stain less after dishwasher! but is not fundamental improvement on concept of 'fork'
asciilifeform: i can picture variations that increase cost (e.g., higher bitrate, and internal battery) but the basic idea cannot be improved, no.
asciilifeform: given as it is not physically possible to audit an analogue rng in the same sense as one can audit the digital board (i.e. by putting a TB of random through it, and comparing what comes out other end to the expected), i expect that plenty of folks will choose to build their own analogue unit.
asciilifeform: gotta have the complete design.
asciilifeform: for some reason the only thing that came immediately to mind is the 'piss_on_patents' flag, or what was it, that you used to have to set on linux box to get mp3 and truetype going
asciilifeform: at a certain point, if you attempt the operation, you start to ask 'why is there satoshi crapolade in my bitcoin2.0' rather than 'ooh neato, a repaired trb!'
asciilifeform: it is quite plainly an example of (C)
asciilifeform: which is, that simply getting a valid block takes your node out of action for 5-15 min !
asciilifeform: initially idea was that it would be a kind of load balance arrangement, if one were in blackhole state, connections would rout to other. but in the end i did not bother with this, and simply let one hang behind the other, and used the setup simply to observe how 'blackholing' propagates.
asciilifeform: and never need other mempool tx.
asciilifeform: i'll add to this that in trb as we have it, you ONLY need blockchain to verify a potential mempool tx
asciilifeform: we get a block (dulap already saw same block; it was valid.) which simply takes ages to verify.
asciilifeform: so we get a snapshot of the, say, 20 minutes of tcpdump prior to node entering blackhole state.
asciilifeform: at the same time, tcpdump is running
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it'd have to be continuously dumped
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586638 << i was able to reproduce a very similar effect. simply throw blocks at a node that don't fail verification until the very end.
asciilifeform: 'The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.'
asciilifeform: 'cheap' in the antique comp business means in practice 'everyone who wants, has'. as, e.g., 'commodore 64', vs, say, lispm.
asciilifeform reads on, in sidebar, 'Dec 13: For your Bitcoin payments, remember that we need the Coinbase transaction ID in order to track your deposit. We encourage you to write down that ID to avoid delays in your Bitcoin payment processing. Thanks for your comprehension.'
asciilifeform: i think that is the longest list of spampaypals-and-demonstratively-not-bitcoin i've seen since 2009.
asciilifeform: btw i dug out, long ago, a crackpot implementation in one 'baremetal os' (actual title) of supposedly-it. it dun work on any actual iron i was able to buy.
asciilifeform: simplest example that ~everyone is personally familiar with.
asciilifeform: btw, p=?=np esoterica aside, 'never say never' in re algorithmic complexities. it is possible to make a number-theoretic 'blockchain' where you check for unspentness by euclid's gcd, for instance. many things are theoretically possible. but this thread afaik is about traditional bitcoin.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a physical impossibility
asciilifeform: (does anyone understand why i put, e.g., 'v', together, the way i did? or the lamportron?)
asciilifeform: and guess where THIS IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED
asciilifeform: programming would perhaps be a similarly honourable profession as piloting, with similar calibre of people, if only it were possible to kill yourself just as easily with mistreated computer as with airplane.
asciilifeform: davout: chances are there is a crackpot pseudoimplementation of bitcoin in every language, cobol, malbolge, befunge, by this point. they are of 0 interest because not trb !
asciilifeform: flush motherfucking mempool.
asciilifeform: if i want to flush the mempool, ditto.
asciilifeform: well yes, in the literal martian scenario, 'what do i do if a shell hits my trench?' 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/fP5Ce >> 'Trump’s insistence on channeling Putin’s propaganda may reflect a more permanent and creepier mindset that refuses to see Russia as a foe of the West. If the latter, how far will this go — blocking sanctions? Acceding to Russian aggression? The suspicion that Trump is Putin’s lapdog has cast a shadow over his secretary of state nominee, who is distinguished only by his chumminess with Putin.' << t
asciilifeform: from whence this 'presumption of innocence' for usg scum.
asciilifeform: which remains as simple today as it ever was.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sometimes 'grandfather's pistol' problem is complicated when it becomes evident that grandfather never actually shot anyone with his pistol
asciilifeform: it is not such a simple thing, ben_vulpes . you can choose which game to play, by some rules -- they own, by others -- they do not.
asciilifeform: say martians show up with magical comp that can orphan 2009 blocks
asciilifeform: elsewhere, in nearby monkeystans, https://archive.is/5Q1U8 >> 'Venezuela’s president said Sunday that the sudden decision to scrap the country’s most-used currency bill was an economic triumph over the country’s enemies even as the government sent troops and police to cities where riots and looting broke out over the measure. In a national radio and television broadcast, Nicolas Maduro said his abrupt action had flooded the cou
asciilifeform: 'But the experts could not think of another example of a president-elect continuing with any private security after Election Day, when Secret Service protection expands dramatically for the winner. In fact, most candidates drop any outside security the moment they’re granted Secret Service protection. Trump’s spending on private security, on the other hand, actually increased after he was granted Secret Service protection in Nove
asciilifeform: (qt, believe or not, does, a standard cpp compiler won't eat raw qt code)
asciilifeform: this was in the 'complete words of satoshi' deadtree i bought some years ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm experimenting with not-attempting-every-possible-thing-with-own-hands
asciilifeform: so mod6's simple 'search after $blocknum' worx.
asciilifeform: probably. i imagine the use case for this knob is simple, 'i want to know if i've been paid, and the counterparty has no time machine, so it'll happen some time after $lastblock'
asciilifeform: 0055 template <size_t nBytes, typename T>
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible to test 'bitcoin from 2009' simply by running from empty blockchain on lan.
asciilifeform: speaking of trumplincton, the actual ceremony is apparently today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ~hardware box~ is becoming less common. most of the derps are watching on comp now.
asciilifeform: not only computing, but the ~actual~ computing, not the new jersey garbage.
asciilifeform: 1958-78 or so, mit was one of the 2 or 3 worthwhile things happening in computing per se.
asciilifeform: 'The Jewish Culture Committee wrote back to Adolf Martin advising him to accept the offer because according to their inside information, the Jew Artur Israel Pollak was scheduled to be deported soon to the Generalgouvernement (occupied Poland) and would probably end up in the Warsaw ghetto. Adolf Martin then agreed to the proposal hoping that, in the event that Pollak’s belongings were auctioned off he would finally get a lump sum an
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585322 << the linked piece suggested that he was properly broken by the jailers, walks around terrified that even his usg-issued winblows comp is too much of a sin
asciilifeform: perhaps better example is how airplane with 'tricycle' landing gear is steered while 'taxiing'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585299 << i was referring to the actual, meatspace phenomenon where a man lacking a compass in a desert will walk in circles and die, being as no one's legs are of precisely identical length
asciilifeform: btw folx may be interested to learn that the LM393 op-amp IS available from old soviet stock
asciilifeform: see? very simple
asciilifeform: Framedragger: correct, and the analogue rngs have to be sampled through a latch clocked by same clock
asciilifeform: btw in case there are folx who are not familiar with logic layout, this is not a comp proggy in the usual sense, it compiles to gate netlist
asciilifeform: btw when i see symptoms that anybody has read fg.v i will tell an exciting story.
asciilifeform: at compile-time -- only if the language is properly constrained
asciilifeform: at runtime -- only if the cpu is 'smart' , or if the compiler stuffs in the check every single time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so then. no such thing. it is ~impossible to machine anything useful out of code, if it were possible, it would be done by compiler and the ~language per se~ would include this intelligence.
asciilifeform: '...if Trump’s already calling for the cancellation of the Air Force One program, he could just as easily target the F-35 — and that’s a potential disaster for Northern Utah.' << ohnoez, 1,000,001 leeches might starve!
asciilifeform: http://www.standard.net/Our-View/2016/12/07/DonaldTrump-AirForceOne-costs-Boeing-F35-HillAirForceBase-Utah-RobBishop-OrrinHatch-editorial.html << related
asciilifeform: btw i was mistaken, you don't need nonempty mempool
asciilifeform: this part of trb is completely virginal 0.5.3 btw
asciilifeform: in mempool
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you have empty blockchain ? (genesis only ) ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo compulsively collects 'lemons' or wat.
asciilifeform: sometimes i get impression that folx are posting from a parallel world
asciilifeform: the hilarious part is that the ~actual~ impetus for the funding was lizards who understood that eventually someone ~will~ find a way to gas'em; and as soon as it became clear that the antidote will not remove all sequelae from gassing, the funding -- evaporated.
asciilifeform: 'On Sunday, the 28th of November 2010 around 20:00 UTC the main distribution server of the ProFTPD project was compromised. The attackers most likely used an unpatched security issue in the FTP daemon to gain access to the server and used their privileges to replace the source files for ProFTPD 1.3.3c with a version which contained a backdoor....'
asciilifeform: 'If you are an Intel employee, you must prefix your normal windows idsid ' << l0l!!!
asciilifeform: and listen to the 'music of silence' from the kompooter s333k00000r1ty folx...
asciilifeform: which basics. i import eizo here too, they aren't born in usa
asciilifeform: (even msdos is not fully understood today, and this despite the ~complete~ source leaking in 1998 !)
asciilifeform: compiler is ~the~ monoculture
asciilifeform: now if the only usable c compiler weren't 100MB of ???????? !
asciilifeform: i'd like to hear, and so would ken thompson
asciilifeform: the one 'blob' that is not removable is the bootstrap compiler
asciilifeform: phf: how is a binary turdolade installer comparable with portage?!
asciilifeform: 'rents falling' could simply mean that 2 or 3 buffetts moved out...
asciilifeform: (to briefly revisit upstack, for log readers, 'prolog disease' is when a language is designed in such a way that in the course of normal operation, you routinely ask the machine questions which may well be np-hard to answer; and at any rate the correspondence between the algorithmic complexity of your proggy as-written and the resulting instruction stream physically as-executed, is something other than obvious)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taken literally, the first can simply take the form of 'iswolf(...) { return 1 ; } ' !
asciilifeform: (there is also pascal, but there exists , afaik, no reasonably cross-arch compiler today for it. and ada is a variation on the pascal theme anyway...)
asciilifeform: as someone who ~likes~ 'functional' languages, etc., i still must point out that it is a highly questionable business to use a language where there is not a simple, kindergarten correspondence b/w each line of the program and what the machine physically does, for safety-critical equipment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it has a native compiler for x86. but i categorically am put off by the 'one implementation' thing.
asciilifeform: (the latter has ONE IMPLEMENTATION, by some fr d00dz)
asciilifeform: but i very much dislike the 'no native compiler exists or can likely ever exist' part; and the 'there are 2 implementations ever made, and only 1 is quasi-usable' part.
asciilifeform: 'lazy computation' is -- like it or not -- a horrendous idea.
asciilifeform: (and, unlike prolog, is quite massive per se, and not easy at all to implement, and there is ONE usable implementation...)
asciilifeform: and has handy eggog lamps.
asciilifeform: but better still to simply plug in the pocket-sized tool that does this, it costs maybe 1 $ where i live.
asciilifeform: the underground train in washington lurches, bumps, it is a very sad thing
asciilifeform: or (at the risk of sounding like complete idiot, because i did not play it) alchemy in eulora, it works there, but meatspace 'alchemy' is considerably more expensive, painful, and rewards -- few and far between, and most practitioners live and die without accomplishing ~anything...
asciilifeform: davout: understandably this is a matter of taste; but out of curiosity, where is the fun ? computer -- does ~all of the actual piloting
asciilifeform: this is why i was bewildered at the answers to this thread, i specifically mentioned 'contemplated playing games again after decade+', 'unwind'
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/12/lockheed-martin-stock-trump-tweet-wipes-2-billion-dollars/ << in other lulz
asciilifeform: and not simply helpfully 'given' by helpful-people prior to arrest.
asciilifeform contemplates a 'naggumbot'
asciilifeform: though, reading the manual ( http://www.copters.com/teco.html ) it was apparently quite complicated, so perhaps -- not.
asciilifeform: it is an abominable editor, except when compared to the others.
asciilifeform: to give some vague idea of complexity, 'eagle cad' is of about ~same binary mass as trb.
asciilifeform: generally i dun deal with impossibles.
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a related and important (to rsa) mathematical problem, of 'how many bits of modulus give your guaranteed polynomial factoring'
asciilifeform: a very limited (functionally) BUT fully tmsrtronic fallback for imperial crapolade -- is the ticket.
asciilifeform: let's approach the problem bottom-up, as gedankenexperiment. it is np-complete problem to draw a polished, readable schematic from netlist only. what, therefore, is the minimal 'helping hand' that would let the machine draw schematic from netlist in polynomial time. that is the necessary format, and nothing else.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, it is not as simple as simply throwing away 'after 3rd decimal place' or the like.
asciilifeform: 'your computer is dead, it was once so alive, do you regret installing windows 95!!'
asciilifeform: the 2000s were almost ~defined~, microshitwise, by a massive 'purge' where folx were forced to retire peripherals (and, for that matter, whole comps) in PERFECT mechanical condition, to run new winblows
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soviet-Air-Force-Pilot-MiG-23-Cockpit-Control-Column-Joystick-Stick-Grip-Yoke-/322073122808 << example of what you get if you buy 'mig stick'
asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...
asciilifeform: what could be hoped for when searching for wine error msg ? best you can ask for is to learn what aspect of weird undocumented winblowsism was never implemented in wine
asciilifeform: e.g., something claiming to be http://ahrefs.com/robot, but not obeying the 'off switch' specified there; and jumping ip ranges 10+ times if banned (i can no longer be arsed)
asciilifeform: it occurs to me that one could write a 'garbage compactor' for these
asciilifeform: well theoretically you can make the schem from the netlist. but doing so usefully is np-complete
asciilifeform: i considered making, by hand, a v-able netlist, with component values etc. , in sexpr format, for a nonexistent tmsr cad. the real problem is that everyone, without exception and including myself, will insist on viewing the 'unofficial' pictoral schematic.
asciilifeform: 'By using a computer mouse, or by tilting a smartphone or tablet, participants will be able to individually control the video angle and experience 360-degree viewing.'
asciilifeform: now if only there were also a way to pump the unwashed student's armpit flavour into my office also !!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is neither 1st nor 10th 'faux computer' i make.
asciilifeform: you ~compose~ p operations by physically concatting the p-progs.
asciilifeform: this is all just sample for flavour.
asciilifeform: what this does is store the modulus in variable #13 ('m' simply pushes integer 13 to stack, '!' stores top of stack in var # second-of-stack)
asciilifeform: anyway there are other important aspects (e.g., a pubkey looks like:
asciilifeform: that i omitted for simplicity
asciilifeform: 'Z' dumps stack, it will not be in released prog
asciilifeform: phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ApmIh/?raw=true << same example but before i stripped out the comments
asciilifeform: phf: with which the = ends up comparing the output of X
asciilifeform: also this is bad example, in real life no use of p will look like this
asciilifeform: to make the parser almost nonexistently simple
asciilifeform: 'z' simply puts a 0 on the stack, and if ptron sees 0-9 or A-F it shoves the 0 leftward 4 bits, and stuffs in the nibble in place
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DYPuN/?raw=true << simple example, verification of a signature using public modulus entered 'by hand'
asciilifeform: moves the complexity, such that remains, into the payloads.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
asciilifeform: simply that i am stuck in this corner, where there is a thing that needs doing, that i do not have with what to do.
asciilifeform: it is more or less as simple as a schematic gets in life
asciilifeform: it isn't complex !
asciilifeform: and i've been using THIS gimp since 2010.
asciilifeform: trinque: that is simple and i solved it.
asciilifeform: trinque: 1 is still problem : it is impossible to deedbot an UNMUTILATED payload
asciilifeform: Opening '/home/stas/gt/2.svg' failed: Could not open '/home/stas/gt/2.svg' for reading: Error domain 1 code 4 on line 1 column 1 of file:///home/stas/gt: Document is empty
asciilifeform: my gimp barfs
asciilifeform: and whether the component values are in there, or evaporated, etc
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/tmp/goat.dxf << and i will not that i HAVE NFI WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE or if it corresponds to what i saw when i drew the fucker!!!!
asciilifeform: there'd be 2 of them, i'll make 1 for example
asciilifeform: they simply aren't
asciilifeform: phf: mutilating and complicating vdiff or v is the very last thing i'm interested in.
asciilifeform: 'president was impeached'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: impeached ??
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the mined coin if it were impossible to transact ?
asciilifeform: mod6: this sounds useful. but why not simply scan backwards ?
asciilifeform: 'But behind the media's "soft" view of LaRouche there was often the rankest hypocrisy. While newspapers portrayed him as a kook they made editorial judgments based on the assumption that he was indeed potentially dangerous—so dangerous that his activities must be concealed from the public lest the truth help his movement grow. Jerome Chasen of the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council, in a 1986 memorandum on LaRouch
asciilifeform: in the sense where there is no mechanism for safely preempting a stalled conversation with another node, or allocating time quanta, or even (gasp) allowing >1 operation across blockchain or mempool in PARALLEL
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc also has at least one, but iirc he's on some year1 version thereof and in fact i have nfi whether it even worx, or he still uses own 'mpb'
asciilifeform: trinque: example concerned x86 vuln finder/exploiter firms
asciilifeform: nobody cares how quickly you 'helloworld', but if instead you write down 'why should i have to do this, i expected to see a fat offer!!!' the interviewer learns something quite important.