lobbes: alrighty, http://logs.ericbenevides.com/ are current with the other two stan-loggers in terms of version
asciilifeform: this is all that asciilifeform presently has to say on the subj.
asciilifeform: ( a 'tail', if this is not clear from thread, refers to a set of lines offered by a given peer for a given chan from a particular starting index, to the present time. )
asciilifeform: no attempt is yet made to determine if two peers offer same tail (they will differ, guaranteed, in timestamps, but ought not elsewise. but this is not touched yet.)
asciilifeform: if two peers offer the same length of tail, the peer with the higher priority (indicated by order of mention in config) is chosen.
asciilifeform: to stdio is written the progress of loads from peers (incl. how many lines of 'tail' obtained from each.)
asciilifeform: instead picked a reasonable format where 'DEL;chan;idx;' proposes the removal of a line; 'ADD;chan;...' (with ... as in traditional raw dumps currently) proposes an import ; and # signifies comment until newline.
asciilifeform: i considered to make it shit out edible sql dump; but then realized that i have nfi how to guarantee sanity re uniturdism in these.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ s
asciilifeform: there is yet no eater for these outputs (tho will not be difficult to write, i suspect)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:02:13 asciilifeform: was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000 http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938022 << if you're hardening against the unreliability of freenode, why use freenode as your sync transport?
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 8 hours and 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937851 << so here's an idea. suppose you could define a ttl on your voice tokens, i.e. "worx until block x". then folks could pile them up for travels.
lobbes: still ain't a mp-endorsed castle either. I figure that time may come one day, but that time isn't now as far as I can tell.
lobbes: asciilifeform: yea, I think I'ma gonna register a new channel with fleanode (#lobbes). As such, no need for archive import (there wasn't much in the old one either save for testing of various things). I'll let you know once it is live
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.
asciilifeform: lobbes: #lobbes is imho preferable to the other. (seems to be the de-facto standard presently)
asciilifeform: even the 6, i found will spill on some very small screens
asciilifeform: sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't..
asciilifeform: lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten.
lobbes may just bite the bullet and do this tonight, actually
lobbes: however, I'm considering simply registering a "#lobbes" in its stead. However, haven't yet gotten to it due to the need to go through the rigmarole of registering it with fleanode, setting all my bots to +o, etc.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-03 19:43:07 asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939858 << hm, that channel is/was intended to serve as my cvasi-castle. Registered it some time ago and copied the naming format ala "#trilema-mod6"
asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ?
asciilifeform: atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I meant that multiple-chan is the part where automation wins here; otherwise retrieving the lines + drop/insert is anyway semi-automated at best for the above reasons.
asciilifeform: ( aside from the timestamp thing )
diana_coman: tbh that's the main reason why I didn't reach for "automate it" - because a lot of it still remains manual; it's more this multiple-chan the trouble perhaps than anything else.
asciilifeform: ( it's the only way to avoid missing a line that was 'in flight' as the proggy ran, elementarily )
asciilifeform: and atm there is no way to weasel out of the work of manually checking the result against yer personal running session.
asciilifeform: it is given strictly as a mechanized version of the thing we do presently when a bot falls.
asciilifeform: re 'b may be longest because it heard N+1st line before others' is entirely valid point btw.
asciilifeform: tho even then you would have to impose conditions re what happens when 2 or more peers disagree.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one or more of the peers contains the truthful record of the interval, the 'longest' algo will select that peer.
diana_coman: true; honestly, the only reasonable sync that I can see is literally bots talking to one another ie ...gossipd, no?
diana_coman: or hm, the "longest sequence" may be misleading
diana_coman: in principle if one runs it with bot *disconnected*, a talk within the sync interval simply requires a re-run rather than breaking anything, no?
asciilifeform: (a) may be violated if one of the loggers is not merely missing lines but is in some way broken .
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is 1 potential point of danger re the described syncer -- if the 'break line' chosen was ~itself~ imported from another bot, it may result in unwanted droppage ( there is no guarantee of monotonicity of timestamps except as written by ~one particular~ bot, atm )
asciilifeform: (c) in particular may be violated if there are recently imported (from peer loggers) lines in the db .
asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff
diana_coman: ah, you mean the timestamp as cross-chan reference point locally
asciilifeform: diana_coman: idea is to sync all chans , rather than having to fire per-chan.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is correct, and in fact is moar serious, from mathematical pov, problem , than appears at 1st glance
asciilifeform: folx w/ mathematical inclinations, invited to comment re auto-sync algo described in #o .
asciilifeform: there's of course a set of much later converts there, via the usa conquest, but these have sumthing like proper translations.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:35:01 mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on these same lines, of course/
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939710 << funnily enuff, the crypto-christians left behind in jp after missionaries expelled, mutated into such a bizarre fork chain that modern church does not recognize'em as anyffin at all ( they mutter unrecognizable chants , which at some pt in 17th c were latin , from phonetic crib sheets to this day... but elsewise resemble 'insular buddhist sect' very closely )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:52:06 mp_en_viaje: thar shit about the turks cruelties and barbarities whereby they came by the hundred to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~ to rustle cattle (who the fuck warns of this, srsly now)...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps
asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!'
asciilifeform: boy still wearing the helmet. driver asks, 'kiddo, do you know what the penis is ?' boy, puzzled, 'no sir'
asciilifeform: he walks along the street. suddenly a van stops, and inside there is pedofag , 'hey boy, like candy?' boy -- gets in.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell trinque do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 11:35:51 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939785 << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta)
mp_en_viaje: there is literally no case of consonant-e- root from slavic that became consonant-i in ro.
mp_en_viaje: deretica (prob ultimately from de-radicare) not diretica ; descurca not discurca (even through very likely from incolicare -- because conflict with discourse) ; melc not milc ; jertfa not jirtfa while sila not sela ; veac not viac ~even though pronounciation is almost there, writing still has not followed~. and so ongoing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 10:24:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939704 << q was re the tbf telephone thing.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:47:32 mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts things in perspective, doesn't it, to think that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in the 80s. supposedly this sorta longevity wasn't supposed to be possible, at the time, at the margins.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939728 << the old libertard trick of presenting life expectancy as a scalar is as elementary as '3 card monte', ~nobody falls for it unless 'wants to'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:34 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a4-targoviste.html << The Tar Pit -- Trgovite
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << ftr there's at least 1 ÑоÑговиÑе town in ru .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:16:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << seems rather likely the derivation's similar to miriste (which yes, from mir, "world")
asciilifeform: was in reader, rather than bot; lobbes , diana_coman , no need to reset bots.
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that folx immediately assumed the bug were a feature, lol.
asciilifeform: 'sept_errata.kv.vpatch' fixes the barf detailed earlier .
asciilifeform will give it another read before patching..
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:31:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions).
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939704 << q was re the tbf telephone thing.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:42:17 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939717 << this is bug, i'ma take a look shortly ( and bots already were marked in grey, no need at all for any other marking )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:58:08 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
bvt: asciilifeform, diana_coman: i have reuploaded the reground vpatch with version in bot.py set correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
spyked: lol. at least they have a phd at sorbonne.
spyked apologizes to diana_coman for the upcoming headache
mp_en_viaje: but above recipe could readily make an ACTUAL romanian scholar, whom the rest of the rotards could pretend doesn't exist and "be surprised" etcetera, like they do.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, vlad 4 aka"the monk" seems rather like a local stoic, in the aurelian tradition.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, /me hoped to find moar about these in the museum of history. unfortunately museum had trouble keeping the lights on, let alone present interesting deeds of vlad iv. and it was like this most places, they simply kept lights off until we showed.
mp_en_viaje: it's somewhat a pity he was born before they figured out how to make houses, thus he's just as useless in practice as yest's discussed schloss.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:56:24 mp_en_viaje: very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939727 <-- really liked the house, but dunno why current owners decided to put a scarecrow (scarehuman?) at one of the windows. prolly because largely abandoned? there were similar houses in town in top shape.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, must admit to not having read most of the chronicles of the time, but still irked by locals' attempt at turning voivods into national heroes. "mihai had the purpose of reuniting romanian principalities" my foot.
mp_en_viaje: thar shit about the turks cruelties and barbarities whereby they came by the hundred to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~ to rustle cattle (who the fuck warns of this, srsly now)...
mp_en_viaje: dude died of natural causes while everyone else around him mexican standoff'd each other.
mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts things in perspective, doesn't it, to think that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in the 80s. supposedly this sorta longevity wasn't supposed to be possible, at the time, at the margins.
mp_en_viaje very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... has had a hard life, but nevertheles... is very happy to see you!
mp_en_viaje: anyways, the etymologically closest english for miriste would perhaps be "real estate". it derived through different paths and ended up co-opted into different usages by a very differently built up imaginarium ; nevertheless it's what it is : cunt in its used up state, the world autumnal.
mp_en_viaje: the root, seeing how me ain't EVEN CLOSE to mi. not AT ALL, not even vaguely how these things work whatsoever.
mp_en_viaje: as always, romanian "dictionaries" made by tards, deeply unqualified to be away from munca de jos : https://dexonline.ro/definitie/miri%C8%99te quotes some imaginary bulgarian "меÑиÑе", that aside from not actually existing in bulgarian (there exists a town in ÐÑаÑна ХоÑваÑÑÑ whose name's thusly spelled IN UKRAINIAN though, of course, of course), can't even possibly be
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:34 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a4-targoviste.html << The Tar Pit -- Trgovite
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << seems rather likely the derivation's similar to miriste (which yes, from mir, "world")
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 23:48:52 lobbes: but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime
mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 20:35:30 lobbes: wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting
mp_en_viaje: the one advantage of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939683 as a general policy of the republic would be that it'd permit more meaningful / informative version reports. ie, "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907, "added mustachios and removed pistachios", by dillaudildo." in lieu of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 20:36:24 asciilifeform: lobbes: imho it really aint too much to ask, for folx to mark version in the piece being altered, considering that bot has own version (changes moar rarely than reader)
mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on these same lines, of course/
mp_en_viaje: it was, amusingly, the chinese emperor who lacked subtility ; not that i fundamentally disagree with his first pass evaluation. but it is he that's the simple native in the relationship, on last examination.
mp_en_viaje: think for the sake of argument how "not losing" china'd have looked : 2/3 of cardinals born over there within less than a century ? last italian pope in 18th century ? last euro pope so long ago nobody over here even remembers it ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 16:26:10 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939609 << dug up a source this this and it's pretty interesting. apparently the papal idjits lost china very similarly to how lost japan.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 14:05:26 mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 13:52:44 asciilifeform: ( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939649 << maybe shit's just too incredible to be taken on faith, gotta sit here see the magic happen to believe.
lobbes: but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime
lobbes: In the meantime I stopped by spyked's castle to see if maybe he has a pill I'm not aware of for the cl-bot, since I'm pretty unversed in all things lisp
lobbes: asciilifeform: yeah, I'm seriously considering swapping the "base" bot with yours at some point. Reconnect issues are a veritable plague for running an auction house (refunds are one thing, but in BingoBoingo's case, for e.g., I know he's depending on auctions closing on schedule in order to pay bills)
asciilifeform: ( might want to do this eventually -- the old bot jams )
asciilifeform: lobbes: pretty neat. ( and you could prolly shorten it substantially by replacing the old cl bot with mine, but iirc you have a full plate w/ mp's wptronic item atm )
asciilifeform: lobbes: it aint a replacement for the manifest knob. specifically wanted mechanism where can ask bot whichthefuck bot it is.
lobbes: oh, so the intention is to update that version # only if changing the bot.py? I assumed it was to be updated even if just changing the reader.py, for e.g.
asciilifeform: lobbes: imho it really aint too much to ask, for folx to mark version in the piece being altered, considering that bot has own version (changes moar rarely than reader)
lobbes wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting
asciilifeform: otherwise i'ma fix , but not until next patch
asciilifeform: lol bvt you fughot to turn the version knob
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Issue with an upstream switch is the report.
asciilifeform: re now deemed illegal. Now, the trouble was the folks at the Monticello Foundation, which preserves and maintains the historic site, were discovered flagrantly continuing Jefferson's crimes. The agents were blunt: The poppies had to be immediately uprooted and destroyed or else they were going to start making arrests, and Monticello Foundation personnel would perhaps face lengthy stretches in prison...'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 11:48:49 BingoBoingo: In local stories of national import eclipsing debate the "bocas de drogas" have been obsoleted by "PorritosYa", https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Sospechan-que-grupo-narco-instalo-delivery-de-drogas-en-pleno-centro-de-Montevideo-uc731479
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939633 << in related dope oddities : 'Thomas Jefferson was a drug criminal. But he managed to escape the terrible sword of justice by dying a century before the DEA was created. In 1987 agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency showed up at Monticello, Jefferson's famous estate. Jefferson had planted opium poppies in his medicinal garden, and opium poppies a
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 02:25:07 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from other small, bigoted sects of Buddhis
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939609 << dug up a source this this and it's pretty interesting. apparently the papal idjits lost china very similarly to how lost japan.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite, lemme know if there's update , and keep prodding'em
mod6: Invoices to be directed to jurov, he pays them out.
mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it.
asciilifeform: mod6: cuz if so, i'ma start invoicing for it, the price keeps steadily creeping up
asciilifeform: mod6: re tbf : the '833 TMSR BTC' thing has cost 400+ usd to date, but seems to never have been used. do you want to keep it up ?
asciilifeform: i suspect they've a ms-excel plugin for irc , but not for log parsing, or somesuch lul
asciilifeform: ( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939628 << seems to lurk in #a too. perhaps the current enemy spy, i have nfi
mod6: Hey all, here's the Foundation statement for September: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-October/000339.html
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo didja ever get an answer outta'em re the last time ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:13:54 diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939614 << coarse error of pilotage on my part. was convinced it was in my sequence, even thought 'oh hey reconnect nao actually worx' the other day.
BingoBoingo: In local stories of national import eclipsing debate the "bocas de drogas" have been obsoleted by "PorritosYa", https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Sospechan-que-grupo-narco-instalo-delivery-de-drogas-en-pleno-centro-de-Montevideo-uc731479
bvt: spyked: that was for the pre-writeup vpatch release, the one published with a writeup was reground to the head of that time
mp_en_viaje: bvt, regrind it on the current head plox, and before someone comes up with another patch so you get the first signature on your own thing plox
mp_en_viaje: ya srsly, why did that get by the wayside.
diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
mp_en_viaje: m or Taoism. I have never seen a document which contains so much nonsense. From now on, Westerners should not be allowed to preach in China, to avoid further trouble."
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from other small, bigoted sects of Buddhis
lobbes: k, got the latest logotron patch applied. asciilifeform: I've also read through and signed said patch
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-01 17:20:15 lobbes_field: I can extend the auction for the downtime. Will make note not to charge for downtime hours as well (even though auction billing is still in suspended state)
lobbes: ah shit, I know what happened; bot dropped but backend kept going, and sent the "END" message to the outbox table. I need to remember to clear that before brining bot back online after outages
mp_en_viaje: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-125 << this is not even altogether a meritless issue, "how and when to rationally merge trees"
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/01/overview-of-local-politics-as-the-election-approaches-pre-debate-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Overview Of Local Politics As The Election Approaches Pre-Debate Edition
mp_en_viaje: my cr place is about there. it's not THAT big.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, re typhoons : they're a 23x12meter oval 170ish meters long. this is fucking tiny wtf.
BingoBoingo: The actual ferrocement structural components aside from the elevator shaft don't seem to be particularly limiting with respect to the floor layouts.
mp_en_viaje: to be fair my design is so early i don't even have anything definite worth the mention. so perhaps.
BingoBoingo: I suspect the reinforced concrete mid-rise tower would make decent bones for a near-ideal design. I've been watching one of these go up in the backyard. It's just a shame the floors always get divided in such equalitarian manners.
asciilifeform: e.g. sovok 'type 941' is almost what you'd want (iirc 7 decks) size-wise. but prolly bad deal for same reason as the austrian thing.
mp_en_viaje: these schloss things are more like overgrown bed&breakfast in practice, and i don't intend to run a motel.
mp_en_viaje: re submariens, no, i meant flat as in social hierarchy. commander's quarters aren't 100x the surface of midshipman.
asciilifeform: not that flat (assuming comment is re org chart) , there's traditionally no fewer than 3 level
mp_en_viaje: and as you can see from the shots, all the furniture can simply be thrown out, who the fuck wants a tub looks like an overlarge vase.
asciilifeform: (where'll you get the deck hands?)
mp_en_viaje: you'd want dungeons, you'd want communal quarters for the plebs, you'd want all sorts of things.
mp_en_viaje: which is part of the problem -- such an item is a terrible design for a working lordly manor, because very ineptly tiered to an overtly equalitarian flatworld.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, an item like depicted would take about a baker's dozen to dozen-an-half slavegirls dedicated to the premises.
asciilifeform: they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper..
mp_en_viaje: if not possible, then a) not schloss and b) 50% discount indisputably
mp_en_viaje: i ain't talking about bullshit rural nonsense, i want to get there at 120mph
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr.
mp_en_viaje: if india has schloss then washington has engineering experts, whynot.
BingoBoingo: I suspect something like the schloss takes ~1 girl/year a week to clean (give or take factor of 2 maybe 3 margin of error).
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems)
mp_en_viaje: was just continuing the uy real estate discussion
asciilifeform: nfi. but apparently did bother to window shop, neh
mp_en_viaje: they're not particular good deals, they're simply fair "waterlevel" so to speak. useful as a comparison point if one's confused.
mp_en_viaje: da fuck do i want them for ?
asciilifeform: 2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen
mp_en_viaje: i mean... there's pic of me smoking indoors. is that enoguh answer ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist the usual idjicy ? )
mp_en_viaje: now if you do the math, it comes to about same per bedroom-bathroom as the uruguay horrorshow
mp_en_viaje: https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83027-ghgew9/fairytale-castle-tradition-meets-modernity-other-lower-austria-la-4101 << specific item
asciilifeform: ( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re that 12mn schloss -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost
BingoBoingo: Of mebbe historical interest to show the damaging effects of socialism https://i.redd.it/hdhrl6bfgyp31.jpg << Fireman's plaza 1934. Top left in the background is Palacio Salvo. To the right, Cerro and its fortification.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx
diana_coman: aha, precisely; but dunno why you got at first stuck on the number, lol.
diana_coman: ok, /me promises to let asciilifeform enjoy the salty water and not invite him to half-a-boat; makes some sense since admiral of half a boat is a bit silly, true.
asciilifeform: for same reason as when there was only 1 logger.
diana_coman: that's like saying neah, still better swimming the ocean naked than having a boat, what's a boat gonna do, need at least 2!!1
asciilifeform: currently set it to the 1 where lived for 40+ days. would say which, but would rather not have erryone hang from same 1
asciilifeform abolishing the use of the dnsistic rotator in his bot. recommends to others to do same, and actually use the bot's rotator w/ known-good fleanode noads (granted there aint many)
asciilifeform: there we go.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!! << Probably the move is give the plushes the whips and arrange them into a party.
diana_coman: either plush the whips or whip the plushes by the sounds of it; lemme fish that out though iirc it was ~what you said to BingoBoingo yest, not much more to it
mp_en_viaje: an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:05:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 18:56:47 BingoBoingo: Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 18:54:01 mp_en_viaje: o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages!
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939329 & http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939330 - lol, the easy part! though for proper corridors I suspect I'll need to build the building too.
BingoBoingo recalling the look in some Tom Clancey flicks
BingoBoingo: White shirt black here is the Prosegur S.A. uniform
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, what's to even guard there ?
mp_en_viaje: "why the fuck ?" "dunno, uniform"
mp_en_viaje: i was like wtf, are you ppl nuts ? they were like... no ammo, no receiver part. just the barrel.
BingoBoingo: After leaving office Mujica began touting the virtues of dueling.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the chrome blunderbusses were out there in like 2004, in costa rica, IN FRONT OF UNI CAMPUS
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: https://www.deseret.com/1990/2/27/18848505/uruguay-gives-ok-for-a-duel-to-the-death is 1990, might find more recent if I dig more
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They go off occasionally, usually in Ciudad Vieja near the bank central branches or along Avenida Italia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when was the most recent Officially registered duel in uruguayistan ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:18:31 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939447 << i recall seeing buncha cash van folx with polished chrome blunderbusses , but nfi whether these ever go off
BingoBoingo: The dueling law was killed as part of the 1990's "lets be a foreigner friendly place" push
BingoBoingo: Bringing back the "Ley de Duelos" in effect until 1992 is not an unpopular opinion in Uruguay.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 20:15:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939445 << iirc he was in the very bilge of a java mine. ( but lesse what says when wakes up )
BingoBoingo: When I first arrived it was a great national tragedy that "El Kiki" shot and killed a cashier girl over ~2000 pesos. Action/Reaction are still working themselves out here now that the rediscovery of violence has hit the Uruguayos.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:52:31 mod6: Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off. Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: how the fuck hard can they be to find anyway, send the muscle out to break arms until they're found. experimentaly not that many arms need to thus break
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i find it beyond ridiculous that none of these motorcyclist shooters ever get shot at / chased.
BingoBoingo: From the comments section of that piece: "Manini y la reforma y se acaban los ñeris y todos los pichis disparando desde las motos. Bala y bala y chau problema. Que vuelvan los Falcon verdes." 37 upvotes, 14 downvotes
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:21:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
mp_en_viaje: baby's dead... shot in the tit fo' a dolla'... who's gonna tell her momma'... who's gomna tell her wife...
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?
mp_en_viaje: i dun recall if i recounted the story of "please, let me fix school fence"
BingoBoingo: Turned out what the kid seems to have needed in his life was a higher quality of yelling.
BingoBoingo: Most recent counsin to enlist went Marines because that's what his dad did. In and out of special education alternative schools up until he signed the enlistment contract. Made it through basic/follow on training with honors. Presently hoping the don't keep him floating in boats half his contract like last counsin that went that route.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, afaik the number corssed 4mn at some point this decade
mp_en_viaje: it's like "suppressing talking". it ~might~ not let other party think ; but it sure as fuck doesn;t let YOU think at all!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 13:08:28 BingoBoingo: suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939241 << the other problem with this "supressingfire" thing is that it... suppresses you, too.
mp_en_viaje: that's the sadness of it. even if they might've been worth enslaving as 16yos (on strict body considerations, obv nobody wants a 16yo brain), by the time they've chugged enough "chow" to take them to twenny-someting... it's mostly a lost battle.
BingoBoingo: They also do that with the Airforce. Not so much with the Navy/Marines because hard to get social media access on the water.
mp_en_viaje: the gedbois usually end up in coward-lice afterwards instead of community fleas.
mp_en_viaje has ran into oodlebunches of these "military" cunts, only overwhelmed demographically by waitresses and beauticians