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ben_vulpes: and yeah farmers get rekt and bankers book it; story of the ages.
ben_vulpes: anyways this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by the people i told how to solve it by refining the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
ben_vulpes: the lulz are so very thick
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: oh i suggest you go look into hardesty
ben_vulpes: starbucksification is coming for your precious vacation-from-reality businesses, dildos
ben_vulpes: girthy spittoon, i still don't understand how the overlays of trinque's musl overlay work properly; not even really which knobs to pull
ben_vulpes: granted the 5 is built with a ken thompson'd 6, and the 4 built with a thompson'd 5.
ben_vulpes: this is factually incorrect, i have removed gcc6 and 5 from gentoos built with modern stage3.
ben_vulpes: it is pretty neat like that!
ben_vulpes: hm yeah how did i have this thing eat random text
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no, there are also the rockchips themselves. full breakdown http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchip.lisp
ben_vulpes: safe-online-rsabox production plant buildout and consolidate the physical beachhead in .uy. so mod6 asciilifeform is the board inclined to raise more capital to build this out and attend to morale in sudamerica?
ben_vulpes: i crunched some numbers, and i think it's going to cost around 3 btc to put the production rockchip plant together and get it down south, all based on 4 2U's with 24 rockchippen each, transpo of ~2.5kusd and per-chassis fab costs of ~800usd. i think with the outrageous success of the rockchip pilot plant pizarro's in a *great* spot to refinance per mircea_popescu's suggestion, to provide for the production
ben_vulpes: kindle fulla fifty shades of the same smut
ben_vulpes: designed by su department of designing The Right Car, i mean
ben_vulpes: dickintheass"
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misconcieve of the industrial processes, and could benefit from experience, but i labor under the apprehension that there was "teh one su car, designed by su factory" whereas american product is "ten stanford cucks who think the exact same way writing the exact same banking app that chase will release as a feature in two years, written by their peers who took salaries instead of grahams
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hard to tell, never got to experience su glory days
ben_vulpes: grand network of corporations and wall street will ensure that americans are "stepped down gently" a la the photosynthesis process, with maximum $anything extracted over the long term
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: different mechanism: here everyone "making apps", slicing open appendices are ~exactly the same in the head, so everything they produce converges to ~the same thing
ben_vulpes: they get completely mass produced healthcare/parts/food/'mobile experiences' and fuck'em.
ben_vulpes: no money in selling parts/strange to the herd.
ben_vulpes: and unless you're an industrial large enough to warrant snapon deliveries weekly, you better be stocked preemptively.
ben_vulpes: it's an industrial item, not consumer.
ben_vulpes: "who would ever buy one of those without the power supply for the snowflake laptop?"
ben_vulpes: lobbes: especially the bigbox(tm) stores, they don't sell anything nonstandard.
ben_vulpes: last time i could be assured of walking out the door and getting a tool (not part!) that i needed was in nyc
ben_vulpes: sure; i recently got 2 pair of tall jackstands, delivered to house, for ~.6 the cost of item at store which was even shorter
ben_vulpes: be damned if i'm going to drive around all day on the offchance they have a thing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i somehow get 'em to leave the register and check inventory manually
ben_vulpes: us, apparently, is many different countries smooshed into one.
ben_vulpes: these physical retail outlets
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does not call ahead?
ben_vulpes: comic juxtaposition of large mass bouncing gaily around at speed
ben_vulpes: it's the best shot!
ben_vulpes: take me out to the deeesert/romp around on the flaaaats/burning oil and lighting off guns/fuck all the liberals i'm gonna have fun/cause it's root root root for the germans/if the diesels get neutered it's a shaaaaaame/cause it's one! two! three! strikes you're out in the us! penitentiary! game!
ben_vulpes: heh heh heh nothing like seeing five tons on 1.25 wheels
ben_vulpes: poor asciilifeform, one begins to understand his resentment of the "bars with acres of parking"
ben_vulpes: deeeelux road soda
ben_vulpes: this begs to be ensongified
ben_vulpes: and seven wenches
ben_vulpes: and three winches
ben_vulpes: or or unimog limo with ultra lift kit
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: don't get high sided my man
ben_vulpes: aah this changes things
ben_vulpes pictures mircea_popescu and crew in a unimog
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sounds like they let it burn off, which'd keep it moderate. the problem usgderps suffer from is *not* letting it burn.
ben_vulpes: wildfires at all? suffers from the northwestern us problem of excess tinder buildup at all?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: place gets enough rain that the whole thing is unlikely to go up at once right?
ben_vulpes has been drawing up plans for a permanent gas/charcoal combo griller
ben_vulpes: sounds spiffy!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nono, i exaggerate, grossly. that said, i haven't figured out how to bake a chicken without a cloud of chicken-scent emerging and permeating the domus on every basting.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sure, dood is like sixty five tho.
ben_vulpes: I HUNGER FOR LOLS
ben_vulpes: anyone have a grahamnews account? submit the phuctoring?
ben_vulpes: motherfucker because i want to dump my entire heated air mass every time the girl fries something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll do you one just a hair more ridiculous: this place has a whole-house evacuator that "well you can just run the whole-house fan when you're cooking!"
ben_vulpes: (how the kitchen came to be without a hood is a mystery i do not think i shall ever understand, given that the dood ran cat5 and coax to every room. what, no women cooking in his life or something?)
ben_vulpes: interesting; i've got to install a hood in the kitchen; so will learn the truth without any electronics.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this one is nominally double-walled; haven't cut through it...yet.
ben_vulpes: ohay is there a crackernyooz link?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-11#353878 << i found one made of brick! couldn't believe the thermal inertia.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no argument there
ben_vulpes: dude just the chip and pin crap is intolerably slow.
ben_vulpes: solid haul asciilifeform mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: 'please never give us money or trust us with anything'
ben_vulpes: there is, or was i don't really care to look, something named like that in portland too: "The Open Sourcery"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: adrian popa entry has a random https://archive.is/ string
ben_vulpes: are ukeleles the instrument for people both too poor for a piano and lazy to learn guitar?
ben_vulpes: > especially the varieties you can afford << har har har
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: howdja determine "some access to private repos"?
ben_vulpes: and also the hn instaban
ben_vulpes quite looking forward to this trilema
ben_vulpes: vpatch is 300 lines including examples
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i made a gensym dir in /tmp, passed that to gpg for the workdir, and then various operations take a teardown key, defaulting to true which could be overriden to inspect keyring state should the operator so desire
ben_vulpes: i think mod6's worked that way eventually too
ben_vulpes: esthlos: yeah, that's what i did and i think asciilifeform as well
ben_vulpes: i wouldn't be surprised to find an old key of mine in there from a mac
ben_vulpes: thank you mod6
ben_vulpes: yes i do
ben_vulpes: dammit
ben_vulpes: looking forward to it
ben_vulpes: take heart douchebag, determining how far to go above the bare minimum is a lifelong project :P sometimes 'not one iota' is a fine response.
ben_vulpes curious to see if the guy leaves off at 'osint' copypasta
ben_vulpes: native bluetooth stack i'm going to guess does not affect trb build
ben_vulpes: douchebag: now how would one go about determining if any of these mines were steppable-upon or stepped-upon in the context of trb?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: aaah now that's more like it
ben_vulpes: "hey dudes did you know that $whatever?"
ben_vulpes: i think that'd be a fine thing with which to 'shit the logs up'
ben_vulpes: douchebag: there is always p.bvulpes.com
ben_vulpes: douchebag: the image approach is impossibly frustrating; will not reflow across my screen
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've always assumed it's because dood can't copy/paste
ben_vulpes: which one is the maoi, BingoBoingo ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, upstack, is what i want.
ben_vulpes: plus, gotta do the customerdatabase first in anycase.
ben_vulpes: will save time if i bring a polished design instead of this adhoc bikeshedding.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let us table it for a bit, i do not have a proposal baked and understand all of the things you've pointed out so far.
ben_vulpes: but brittle solution, ~spinning blade near controls.
ben_vulpes: "dun fuckin lose this!"
ben_vulpes: can also generate unique account identifiers from fg, use that instead
ben_vulpes: user decrypts, leaks, their problem. set a session key, broadcast data unencrypted, leak is pizarro's fault
ben_vulpes: leaks account data
ben_vulpes: but this sucks for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: another approach is to challenge-response and hand over a session token
ben_vulpes: yes well steal from the best
ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes apparently utter sucker for webdrudgery
ben_vulpes: but, and many details not designed at this rate since you press me, something along the lines of pizarro/$fp/ renders an encrypted account status including support tickets
ben_vulpes: that i've not proposed a solution yet lol
ben_vulpes: i'm half of a mind to take offense at the implication i'd impose email on anybody in the republic
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quit jumping to conclusions
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from experience, chat is a miserable way to manage support tickets.
ben_vulpes: i've been thinking about a pizarro wot identity, yes
ben_vulpes: there is also the concern of every customer now gotta be rated, likely by me, which puts me in the nanotube position
ben_vulpes: i'm not necessarily loathe to give up the "dump pubkey and sshkey in hole, pay invoice, receive server deets at this url encrypted to your key" model, but i worry the irc demands are an unnecessary salting of friction
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'
ben_vulpes: the freenode nick/handle constraint does grate.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mhm mhm
ben_vulpes: there'll be ~no way around asking each user for a gpg key i don't think
ben_vulpes: i imagine some kind of remotehands queue of "make rockchip with sshkey of XXX, upload which IP addr or other unique identifier got the key in question"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not worthwhile imho
ben_vulpes: i figured that something like this was the case and appreciate the followup
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mk, will callout at top the changes in a bit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i guess next month i will make vpatch reports
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the next item after setting Mocky up with python cgi on UY1 (dear lord, it never ends) will be to databize our customer list, ip assignations, rack assignations, subscriptions etc. i will then reproduce your calculator with actual numbers.
ben_vulpes: protip: it's all of them
ben_vulpes: gotta see into the future, know which will stop and not be behind them
ben_vulpes: $oblig-rhino-photo
ben_vulpes: where you bomb a wedding and then bomb it again when the women and children rush back in screaming to pull their husbands and sons from the carnage
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: believable political careers take time to fabricate. schniederman mighta been a someone in some other context, but what's his replacement? another "first $minoritygroup to NYAG"? even diehard leftists are not so bullish on firsts after the first black man to run the show gleefully doubletapped weddings for his entire stay in the whitehouse.
ben_vulpes: and lo, isn't it interesting that as the barrier for lordship goes up and the bar for defrocking goes down, the pantsuit imitate to their detriment while the republic purges dross?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm none too interested in the specifics; i'm more interested in/amused by the long-predicted continually-lowering-bar-to-defrockment tearing the pantsuit organizations apart from the top.,
ben_vulpes: "manual of use is how i use women!"
ben_vulpes: and in methinks the democrat doth protest too much news, another meetooist has been getting slappy in bed: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse
ben_vulpes: anyways, lawnmower engine can lift all that you could possibly want to lift. no need to optimize on this axis.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: peroxide goes through half-decade-ly popularity cycles, folks discover the cat packs are a pita, move on to propane or other low-dough exotics.
ben_vulpes: because intellectually lazy americans have outgrown their curiosity, and buy kits to bolt together. "look ma, i r aerospace engineer!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: prop inertia
ben_vulpes: reversible direction for another
ben_vulpes: constant speed has fundamentally appealing attributes, way lower prop inertia for same power output for one.
ben_vulpes: no, but vastly less so than the generator assy. it's a collar around each prop.
ben_vulpes: you can get the fine control with mechanical rotor pitch variation as well.
ben_vulpes: extra weight from generator.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what instead, chain?
ben_vulpes: in other usg idiocies, i recently found a dood who achieved the not-insignificant feat of a constant propspeed belt-drive GAS ENGINE QUADCOPTER butbutbut the rotor pitch variation mechanism RUNS OVER WIFI
ben_vulpes looking forward to that puncturing
ben_vulpes: now i sympathize deeply but the apparent frugality is at such odds with the otherwise liberal combustion of dollars that it induces a painful headache of cognitive dissonance
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was saddened that they're apparently in bed with such jews that they can't bring themselves to sink the target ship
ben_vulpes: goddamn i wanna BLOW SHIT UP
ben_vulpes: aaaaand in oldie-but-guaranteed-to-bring-childish-joy-to-the-face-of-the-rocketry-enthusiast-goodies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgv5ixxgTsQ
ben_vulpes: thx phf
ben_vulpes: that'sallfornow
ben_vulpes: shows up as speshulchar ^L in emacs; i've seen this before in other lispwads written by the github crew and don't really know what to make of it. convention of the ancients? perhaps asciilifeform or phf or someone else who's literate and knows history could enlighten me.
ben_vulpes: form feed?
ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
ben_vulpes: esthlos: also needs a build script to produce a binary for use outside of a LISP repl; my lisp v implementation ran afoul of this years ago. ~nobody would fire up a lisp repl to test the thing. this may be different today, but the fact remains that for this to make it into widespread use it's going to need to be callable from the linux cli.
ben_vulpes: actually invalid signature in .seals should stop the world, but i don't recall offhand if that's differentiable from the no key for signature case
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i would like to see it complain loudly if it finds a bad signature, not merely look for some good ones
ben_vulpes: at least i pretend to be
ben_vulpes: we're adults, can interleave
ben_vulpes: esthlos: ^^
ben_vulpes: use a tempdir for gnupg's keyring; thing must be stateless.
ben_vulpes: esthlos: seems your v doesn't take a head to which to press, but implicitly presses whatever comes out of the toposort; this is incorrect and the operator needs a lever there
ben_vulpes: esthlos: where do you want input? comments on a-vtron ?
ben_vulpes: whimsy is thiiiick in there
ben_vulpes: i just found my old cl v as well; gonna dust it off for lulz
ben_vulpes: i'll give it a read today
ben_vulpes: mccain's deathbed lulz are grade a: he'd rather have the aborter-in-chief around, totally fries leeb heads who'd just started to like the old coot
ben_vulpes: especially us orclands!
ben_vulpes: aaha.
ben_vulpes: betcha street shit is riddled with thiamin and friends
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: we gotta get you a kitchen; no reason you should be buying crackers when you can recruit girls to do it for you
ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
ben_vulpes: i suggest a wordpress plugin
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're just being lazy with your funnel metrics
ben_vulpes: standard cab driver tech for...decades?
ben_vulpes: esthlos: did you read mod6 or asciilifeform's v implementations before writing yours?
ben_vulpes: what's the sampler-system design, i mean
ben_vulpes: what does the sample-taking equipment look like?
ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was asking him not speaking to my own knowledge
ben_vulpes: or who is it
ben_vulpes: gotcha; what are their rates?
ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
ben_vulpes: oh dear i am going to need a vastly better system for debiting unearned income.
ben_vulpes: fellas ears are probably bright red
ben_vulpes: oh lawdamercy
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: you read the faq and help pages
ben_vulpes: yes and thank you!
ben_vulpes: lol he actually got the fromdeedbot handle
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#349507 << i too would like some of these dollops, should one slide from your spoon
ben_vulpes: !!up fromdeedbot you gotta close the web page when you close your laptop
ben_vulpes: imma rework april, thanks for catching my derps mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: fully-rented 4u of this would bring us to breakeven at $50/mo, but demands 100% occupancy, otoh that's only 25% of 16U rockchip plant occupancy. so, i don't see a really compelling case for bringing the price down much further.
ben_vulpes: oodles.
ben_vulpes: looks like the monthly cost basis, assuming a 1-yr amortization horizon is 18.35 usd
ben_vulpes: have you...tried?
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: a) the whole name is tab-completable and should be used b) it's really not that hard dood
ben_vulpes: word, thanks danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: heh judging from teh l0de patreon page could buy some airtime
ben_vulpes: trinque: that was what was behind the minimal hosting gedankenexperiment
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: for my notebook, what needs streamlining?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what'd the other nonbitcoinating kind of compute be?
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: so reg a key, rent a rockchip
ben_vulpes: lol i signaled !!update
ben_vulpes: after we can afford more bw, i hazard
ben_vulpes: heh i actually have this usb thinger sitting unused i got as a wedding present forever and a day ago
ben_vulpes: yeah but gimme a break, none of the shitcoins are going to work on anything but ubuntu and with a gui
ben_vulpes: if only shitcoinists were gentoo-capable...
ben_vulpes: this is grade a shitcoin walletfarm fodder
ben_vulpes: rsa *and* bitcoin-safe coloware
ben_vulpes: aok then wow marvelous
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: huh i was laboring under the impression that it had unforgivably bad io or something
ben_vulpes: !!update fromdeedbot
ben_vulpes: not because i want to pack trbs in but because it is *the* litmus test of compute: "will it bitcoinate?"
ben_vulpes: look also for boards that'll trbate
ben_vulpes: laugh a little wouldja
ben_vulpes: so five bucks! for the tap
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: what it costs to bolt the chassis together i mean
ben_vulpes tallying
ben_vulpes: switches
ben_vulpes: yeah i know the costs for sticks and rockchippen; i wanna know chassis, your time, stuff like cabling
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you pull a number for per-u fab cost out of your rear?
ben_vulpes: this is the "when do you start trading?" thread all over again; i'm going to have to review both in depth i think i'm thick as it didn't stick the first time.
ben_vulpes: time is not on pizarro's side.
ben_vulpes: i completely agree.
ben_vulpes: ah, is this in re the refinancing for plant buildout?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, i do not follow
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