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ascii_butugychag: the latter enciphers a plain tcp tunnel.
ascii_butugychag: this gets fed into a small proggy on your box, which now knows where to connect, and what the symmetric cipher key is
ascii_butugychag: you ask for a pgptronic random turd, a la assbot, it gets enciphered to your pubkey (if you are in l1)
ascii_butugychag: and not sure if this is even The Right Thing
ascii_butugychag: not fit for battlefield yet
ascii_butugychag: so there's a proggy i've been testin'
ascii_butugychag: did we ever figure out how to dpaste without mutilation ?
ascii_butugychag: how about !patch PATCH.vpatch SIG.somebody.sig
ascii_butugychag: why this situation can persist for more than a few seconds, is a question to be asked of shitoshi
ascii_butugychag: dulap - did
ascii_butugychag: you don't yet have the block they rely on
ascii_butugychag: from your node's pov
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: bastard tx
ascii_butugychag: phlogiston/caloric, rather
ascii_butugychag: which then went into mass production.
ascii_butugychag: picture if somehow the phlogiston theory had, by way of sheer accident, resulted in the building of a sorta-working refrigerator.
ascii_butugychag: one must apprehend the ~systemic~ braindamage:
ascii_butugychag: as it is, 'here is a capsule of other people's shit'
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393994 << ahahahahaha l0l this would be true if computing were an actually adult field, like refrigeration
ascii_butugychag: picture wild boar paying him a visit, 'let's go for acorns??'
ascii_butugychag: the one who was so fat that he could not even see
ascii_butugychag: do you recall the photo of a very peculiar boar that kakobrekla once posted ?
ascii_butugychag: the activities listed above are a) actual work, that involves not sitting in a climate-controlled chair all day b) really needs having been raised 'free range' chicken instead of cage-born
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393927 << the indians have the standard, entirely ordinary loyalty of the rest of usg, but hypertrophied: loyalty to the hand that feeds, supplies nice condo, fat retirement, princeyaletonward for the kidz
ascii_butugychag: bitcoin as presently conceived requires random access.
ascii_butugychag: index just ends up telling you to fetch the ancient block.
ascii_butugychag: how does this help ?
ascii_butugychag: (to see that his tx is invalid)
ascii_butugychag: you ~will~ have to load the blocks
ascii_butugychag: just pretend to
ascii_butugychag: he doesn't need to actually move'em
ascii_butugychag: (when it becomes known that asking for old blocks makes you spin a motor)
ascii_butugychag: and now you're ddosable.
ascii_butugychag: mask rom is approximately indestructible, costs precious little to make, uses minimal current, etc
ascii_butugychag: why the fuck provision for rewriting bits that will ~never~ be rewritten.
ascii_butugychag still thinks that blockchain mask rom ought to be a product
ascii_butugychag: or moving old coin
ascii_butugychag: jurov: that was because ~nobody is actually setting up new nodes
ascii_butugychag: because wtf
ascii_butugychag: and if pete_dushenski is really asking why there are no 3.5" ones, it is for same reason as why not 5.25
ascii_butugychag: plenty of 'msata' etc
ascii_butugychag: the ~locality~ is small.
ascii_butugychag: because node is a random access affair.
ascii_butugychag: hybrid is guaranteed not to help a node.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: the hybrid thing seems like the worst of both worlds
ascii_butugychag: or even a tx.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually i would be only slightly surprised if prb could be persuaded to jmp into a block.
ascii_butugychag: almost cantor's diagonal flavour to it.
ascii_butugychag: this here tree might be growin' old tyres
ascii_butugychag: or am i missing something
ascii_butugychag: not for the purpose of relay
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, does this actually incentivize storing the blocks? or only the rainbow table!
ascii_butugychag: (rainbow table)
ascii_butugychag: or did you already say this
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually it will be a massively-parallel sort of affair
ascii_butugychag: which is a mega-plus.
ascii_butugychag: very asian-resistant.
ascii_butugychag: quite! nobody will be plagiarizing old verilog from fpga docs to bake this one.
ascii_butugychag: other hashes also accept infinite bits but they eat where they shit.
ascii_butugychag: accordionizes to size.
ascii_butugychag: it is mighty spiffy.
ascii_butugychag: btw between that thread and now i went and read the keccak spec
ascii_butugychag: aha, it works mightily just to stand.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally all of this exists in sad pieces in the cellars of my sad tower
ascii_butugychag: (this is the biggest point of divergence with r5rs standard, it ~demands~ it)
ascii_butugychag: atm there is none.
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: when i weld on a working field arithmetic
ascii_butugychag: l0ltr0nic.
ascii_butugychag: ess, and bulletproof vests, at least one of which had Secret Service markings and thus is believed to have been stolen from the government. '
ascii_butugychag: ncluding one that Bridges created on October 28, 2015 after he had pleaded guilty in this case; a Samsung cell phone; and a thumb drive. Also located in those bags were documents relating to his wife’s, Ariana Esposito’s, attempts to obtain citizenship in another country. Government agents also found a MacBook with the serial number scratched off, an ipad tucked between a bedroom mattr
ascii_butugychag: 'During the execution that warrant, and based on facts that remain under seal before this Court, the government recovered the following items: two “pelican style” bags which contained: identity documents; a passport card in Bridges’ name; a notarized copy of Bridges’ passport; corporate records for at least 3 different offshore entities ranging from Nevis to Belize to Mauritius, i
ascii_butugychag: what else we got
ascii_butugychag: we got prime goatshit here
ascii_butugychag: (but then again it is possible to hide the elephant)
ascii_butugychag: which imho is surprising.
ascii_butugychag: i know of no reason to suspect that anybody on the planet is mining with any method other than brute force.
ascii_butugychag: pretty much ~didn't happen.
ascii_butugychag: !s satcoin
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, i fully expected, from 2010 on, folks to gnaw on the leather straps of sha256
ascii_butugychag doesn't see it
ascii_butugychag: what was build on the opened eyes of sha256 hash asic ?
ascii_butugychag: any more than today's dsp proves it
ascii_butugychag: wouldn't prove anything re: 'it could go away' in re: ~workstation~
ascii_butugychag: but in re: silicon specifically
ascii_butugychag: that part i get, and quite like
ascii_butugychag: other than the basic fact of it being a caltrop against folks who want to 'lose' the blockchain, i mean
ascii_butugychag: i don't see how
ascii_butugychag: just with nand flash bus.
ascii_butugychag: it'll be like today's hash asic.
ascii_butugychag: nah it won't be sane
ascii_butugychag: and helps not at all in actual computation.
ascii_butugychag: just pointing out that 80-90% of an x86 die is there because winblowz, really
ascii_butugychag: nobody needs the idiot 'acceleration' opcodes
ascii_butugychag: nobody needs that tlb cache
ascii_butugychag: actually i must disagree with one point - general-purpose, e.g., x86, cpu, is full of so much crud that asicization is economical and quite inevitable
ascii_butugychag: (to borrow a mircea_popescuism)
ascii_butugychag: aha, seems like a 'let's rent out space inside my nose' situation
ascii_butugychag: i must agree with the rando commenter, i have nfi why anybody would 'buy from nodes'
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i can see it. sorta 'shit test', anyone who proposes any fork which refuses it, has to answer for himself
ascii_butugychag: jurov: ah!
ascii_butugychag: jurov watcha doin' with winblowz?
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: ' pledging to sink any hard fork proposal without making these changes' --> ... 'that does not include these changes' ?
ascii_butugychag: and ~nobody seems to mind.
ascii_butugychag: let's put it this way, they have priests already, and the latter are spinning the flock on their cocks like propellers.
ascii_butugychag: and folks who cannot, or will not, attempt said understanding, will have to find themselves a priest, yes.
ascii_butugychag: the trick here is that the proposition that you could actually understand a device that you own, is a hard sell to a great many folks
ascii_butugychag: having it with somebody who understands nothing of how his civilization is put together, to whom flashlight, pc, boeing, are equally magical - is a snore.
ascii_butugychag: next time try & have the argument with a literate man, who can grasp how, e.g., flashlight works
ascii_butugychag: and if kaspersky really did sign off on this cheap p.t.barnumism, it really must be spent, for good.
ascii_butugychag: if your box pipes it to bash and executes, that is a problem with you, not 'blockchain'
ascii_butugychag: so i put the string 'rm -rf /' in the blockchain, snore
ascii_butugychag: srsly think about it for 5 minutes.
ascii_butugychag: hdbuck: idiocy, beneath contempt
ascii_butugychag: about to upgrade cpus for the 1st time, with.... circa-'09 ones
ascii_butugychag: hey i'm running a machine circa '07
ascii_butugychag: did you not own a disk in '09 ?
ascii_butugychag: what, can't afford to pay 2009 price per TB ?
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: l0l
ascii_butugychag: imho spinning rust is a losing proposition for any node.
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu your scheme (could call it... nodecoin?) finally clicked in my head. at last, an end to the cn pond scum !!
ascii_butugychag: ServerMode/#bitcoin-assets [+v ben_vulpes] by adams.freenode.net << wat?!
ascii_butugychag: oh, hm, adopted but mutilated ?
ascii_butugychag: *adopting
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3...
ascii_butugychag: it is my considered judgement that maintaining the illusion of 'we got it right the first time' is a pointless thing.
ascii_butugychag: instead of my being able to add something useful to it
ascii_butugychag: and now, e.g., shiva is hosed, imho needlessly, and will have to be reground
ascii_butugychag: and imho it is quite unnecessary
ascii_butugychag: mod6: i found myself blowing the very tiny time budget i had, on regrinding
ascii_butugychag: if it were given a place to pump in patches, we could finally give turdatron a proper burial
ascii_butugychag: phf: your viewer is mighty spiffy, it is exactly what i wanted to make in september (and never had time)
ascii_butugychag: i still think regrinds are a thing to be avoided whenever possible, but whatever
ascii_butugychag: ty trinque. mod6: it looks fine
ascii_butugychag: to produce ?
ascii_butugychag: so what means '100 is what they always cost' ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: they sold for $2-3K usd new
ascii_butugychag: through late 2011 or so.
ascii_butugychag: kakobrekla: pre-usgtronic-alwayson slave core
ascii_butugychag: depending on grade
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: and below
ascii_butugychag: (anyone other than me cares?)
ascii_butugychag: by the crate.
ascii_butugychag: in other nyooz, turns out that golden-age opterons (just the chip) can be had for their weight in mere gold on 'ebay'
ascii_butugychag: and holy shit are their patches massive
ascii_butugychag: how would this help hitler ?
ascii_butugychag: wouldn't it be a sign from a fresh address at any rate ?
ascii_butugychag: the measures against toy choppers is 100% 'majesty of the might of the state' crapolade theatre
ascii_butugychag: it remains to be shown that, like carnot cycle, mining cannot be escaped from.
ascii_butugychag: introduces exactly the wrong incentives, and empowers the folks you least want in the driver's seat
ascii_butugychag: the more i think about it, the more it seems to me that mining is a catastrophic bug per se
ascii_butugychag: why not ?
ascii_butugychag: pools full of sheeple who can be steered, turned on a dime, are a Bad Thing
ascii_butugychag: ^ there is more than one way of accomplishing this effect
ascii_butugychag: !s non-outsourceable
ascii_butugychag: ok i see what mircea_popescu meant
ascii_butugychag: and why pools are possible ?
ascii_butugychag: adlai: are you familiar with how mining presently works ?
ascii_butugychag: anyone who mines has a full change of catching a block.
ascii_butugychag: adlai: it means no pools. ever.
ascii_butugychag: at the root of both, is the fact that anything produced by 'coderz' is braindamaged.
ascii_butugychag: see 1,001 old threadz...
ascii_butugychag: c is braindamaged and is the reason unix is braindamaged.
ascii_butugychag: cpp is braindamaged and is the reason why winblows is what it is.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you know full well that this is false.
ascii_butugychag: this, i also have trouble seeing how it could be controversial.
ascii_butugychag: and 'cleaned room' really means 0 cpp.
ascii_butugychag: i'm not convinced that it is possible for mircea_popescu and the secret cabal of the smallint other mircea_popescus to actually get off the bitcoin bus without perma-crashing the universe
ascii_butugychag: that much i can see, is a desirable thing
ascii_butugychag: attempt at 'i/o-hard' workfunction
ascii_butugychag: what i don't get is what desirable thing the workfunction change accomplishes
ascii_butugychag: and nukes pools, at the same time
ascii_butugychag: i get that miners without nodes are retarded, but that is easily fixed just by requiring whole-block hash in the nonce rather than the idiot header system
ascii_butugychag: why would anyone value this, for anything ?
ascii_butugychag: i think i have a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as a nanometre.
ascii_butugychag: who wants this, for what ?
ascii_butugychag: for sale to whom ?
ascii_butugychag: same effect.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: why not, while you're at it, premine 100% of the coins and just hand them to seoul.
ascii_butugychag: it is something that ONE country has any kind of reasonable tooling to make.
ascii_butugychag: because it is not a fucking mop bucket
ascii_butugychag: and still has not.
ascii_butugychag: realize that cn would profit tremendously from making own ssd
ascii_butugychag: they have a stranglehold
ascii_butugychag: thinkaboutit
ascii_butugychag: and south kr, usg muppet, owns ~100% of ssd fabrication.
ascii_butugychag: 'btc asic' is really 1980s-level vlsi.
ascii_butugychag: this is demonstrably untrue.
ascii_butugychag: fuck that
ascii_butugychag: suddenly ssd is plutonium.
ascii_butugychag: and the ssd cartel is cackling as we speak, reading this
ascii_butugychag: requiring elaborate hardware to mine adds to, rather than takes away from, centralization.
ascii_butugychag: right now we have gangrene in one leg. what is an improvement about having ~two~ ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: centralization
ascii_butugychag: where there are a dozen nodes, forever.
ascii_butugychag: recipe for remaking swift ?
ascii_butugychag: and what is so great about miners == nodes ?
ascii_butugychag: 20mb blocks?!
ascii_butugychag: and i can easily go buy 1tb of ram whenever, as can anybody
ascii_butugychag: in either case, if changed - fork
ascii_butugychag: and how is block size any more fixed in the proposed scheme than in the old ?
ascii_butugychag: might bring exotical like holo storage out of the circus and into actual production
ascii_butugychag: (slavecoin!)
ascii_butugychag: i also vaguely recall ^this aspect being appealing to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_butugychag: it can be in a drive.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i still don't grasp the 'technological reasons' from footnote v
ascii_butugychag goes, reads, again
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: you can apply ~any~ hash to endless pile
ascii_butugychag: also keccak has same problem as predecessor, silicon will be baked, we get mining cartels again.
ascii_butugychag: briefly, unrelatedly, mircea_popescu 'the keccak function takes unlimited input' << what ?!
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - can, obviously, do what they like.
ascii_butugychag: but will pronounce - 'this is braindamaged and i will not sign.'
ascii_butugychag: i in particular can't prevent anybody from doing anything.
ascii_butugychag: shiva hooks on everything, and programmable log mechanism in ~that~.
ascii_butugychag: and really oughta be lisped.
ascii_butugychag: the ~original~ grime is only cleanable at tremendous cost.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what new logging model
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what's your objection to throw runtime_error ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392518 << the 'poverty limit' is a crock of shit, many of the supposedly-'poor' live rent-free
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: that'd make more sense, dulap is my flagship
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392496 << the sane upgrade path is TO THERMONUKE GNUDIFF and have turing-complete operation set!
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