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mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.
mircea_popescu: "hey, it's genetic material". sure it is.
[]bot: Bet created: "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/ Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975.
BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA.
mircea_popescu: more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally.
[]bot: Bet created: "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/
mircea_popescu: wasn't there one of these ?
mircea_popescu: lol 3. xmas, 2014 now 2015
mircea_popescu: lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.
thestringpuller: damn asciilifeform can't get a break
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495
BingoBoingo: US emigration law is fucked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: lol, the XPY crowd apparently don't like CoinFire: http://imgur.com/ksgp5fF
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzabzJ )
thestringpuller: !up MetatronOne
mircea_popescu: wo's thje xpy crowd ?
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult
mircea_popescu: wtf happened to "brick and mortar stores" ?
mircea_popescu: not to mention a bottom line and stuff like that.
BingoBoingo: Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: Essential cult 101 stuff
mircea_popescu: lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ?
BingoBoingo: To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it.
mircea_popescu: "scam blew up."
BingoBoingo: Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out.
BingoBoingo: The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.
BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.
mircea_popescu: have cazalla cut out words if unsure.
mircea_popescu: news should be snappy.
BingoBoingo: Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.
mircea_popescu: now im looking forward to see this thing
BingoBoingo: Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSZ1mH )
mircea_popescu: "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"
mircea_popescu: gotta love the wisdom of the crowds.
BingoBoingo: Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.
BingoBoingo: It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?
BingoBoingo: $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.
BingoBoingo: Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events"
BingoBoingo: So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...
BingoBoingo: If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue.
BingoBoingo: Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant
BingoBoingo: I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau
BingoBoingo: Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided
assbot: And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTaKS5 )
assbot: Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTbpTG )
davout: yay all hail gribble
davout: thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date
assbot: Afraid of loss, ESPN makes fast cash on Bitcoin payment | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzDnqk )
mircea_popescu: heh. some publicity.
davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: and then people disagree on what "main net" means
davout: mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?
davout: or alternatively any current block hash
mircea_popescu: so every orphan chain is "main net" ?
cazalla: My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..
davout: there's also the work part
mircea_popescu: cazalla nobody cared.
davout: also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month
mircea_popescu: davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"
davout: i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite
mircea_popescu: an orphan can be any arbitrary length.
davout: yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower
mircea_popescu: that's an interesting approach.
mircea_popescu: confirm debit.
mircea_popescu: isn't it 2160 btw ?
davout: 2016 iirc
assbot: On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BThrna )
mircea_popescu: sounds great.
assbot: nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzJuem )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.
fluffypony: I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch
mircea_popescu: but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble.
mircea_popescu: so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?
fluffypony: precious few
mircea_popescu: well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common
mircea_popescu: patience... rare.
fluffypony: well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.
mircea_popescu: but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how big is polarssl ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: binaries or codebase?
mircea_popescu: the ecc codebase specificaly
mircea_popescu: i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project
fluffypony: hmmmm
mircea_popescu: i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure.
mircea_popescu: i am a great believer in code analysis myself.
fluffypony: the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code
fluffypony: including comments
fluffypony: lemme run a slocount on them
assbot: polarssl/ecdsa.h at development · polarssl/polarssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ8SEW )
fluffypony: 2206 actual lines of code
mircea_popescu: this is not so horribru.
fluffypony: no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c
fluffypony: it probably needs some other DRY bits
mircea_popescu: did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ?
fluffypony: but that's the bulk there
fluffypony: they must've if it's in 0.1
fluffypony: *0.10
assbot: secp256k1/secp256k1.h at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ94UK )
mircea_popescu: there we go
punkman: I think that lib predates blockstream
fluffypony: yeah it does
fluffypony: March 2013
fluffypony: I'll bbiab, have to go shopping
mircea_popescu: so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ?
punkman: probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now
punkman: so they'll stick their noses in many places
punkman: seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first
mircea_popescu: well, tomorrow's thing. laters all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18516 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0839 BTC [+]
assbot: The King Of Online Gambling (Is 34) - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZbTF6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00065262 = 36.4162 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00064595 = 11.3364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3465 @ 0.00062412 = 2.1626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063961 = 6.1403 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5506 @ 0.00063961 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.35388047 BTC. Current weight: 92,212.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.0009305 = 2.7915 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00064548 = 16.7179 BTC [+]
assbot: #bitcointalk-staff | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMngmR )
thestringpuller: davout: yea I don't know how to word it. i know how to bet on exchanges going down.
thestringpuller: the 50 confirms on gavincoin chain is a little iffy
thestringpuller: but it may work for now :\
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
thestringpuller: that might work too
thestringpuller: how do you resolve? blockchain.info I personally wouldn't trust as a resolution source
thestringpuller: bitbet may be okay with it
davout: why would you need bc.info to count blocks and count hashes?
thestringpuller: you want someone at bitbet to count blocks manually?
davout: simply running a client on both chains and reading its output would do just fine
thestringpuller: but who would do that?
davout: or am i misunderstanding something you're saying here?
davout: i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?
thestringpuller: this is valid point. what constitutes a public resolution source? I may be overthinking. But Bitbets get stricter every year (for good reason).
davout: the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins
thestringpuller: It would be interesting to see a blockchain war.
thestringpuller: A historic event for the ages.
davout: srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable
thestringpuller: you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0082 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. << the differential power thing is plain as daylight to anyone who has seen the published schematic.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform and his differential power analysis
jurov: he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain
jurov: "i was right all along!!!"
adlai: gribble's back!
jurov: ;;seen gribble
gribble: I have not seen gribble.
jurov: nope
adlai: this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying
jurov: "The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue
adlai: yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet
adlai digs a little... hang on...
assbot: ChangeDetection - Comparison of: Amendment No.5 ... ( http://bit.ly/17qqGlG )
adlai: courtesy of leddit
davout: jurov: what's a DPA?
jurov: differential power analysis
davout: oic
assbot: Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp says to resume trading on Friday| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17qrw1Q )
davout: Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.
davout: kekd
adlai: and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit
davout: i'm the richest of my living rool!11
davout: *room
jurov: tsk,tsk. so much jealousy
davout: :D
thestringpuller: jurov is still the coolest slovenian of all
assbot: GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - Hot or Not Worst Investments in 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/14atAIM )
davout: thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/
jurov: we're all somalians anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1174 @ 0.00092021 = 1.0803 BTC [+] {2}
davout: jurov: wrong, i'm nigerian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4267 @ 0.0008903 = 3.7989 BTC [-] {9}
thestringpuller: we're all nigerian
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --btce
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.749, Best ask: 284.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 284.749, 24 hour volume: 6868.74826, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 289.0, 24 hour vwap: 283.052995
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi
thestringpuller: welcome chairman popescu
davout: ello
mircea_popescu: so what is all this leap second y2k v2.0 stuff lol
assbot: MagicalTux comments on [Daily Discussion] Thursday, January 08, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5WJvN )
mircea_popescu: lmao tux still exists ?
mircea_popescu: i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program
kakobrekla: as the new bitstamp advisor?
mircea_popescu: where they print 3d natural satellites.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha you're pulling my leg
mircea_popescu: you are! you must be!
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.
mircea_popescu: you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.
mircea_popescu: i hope i make myself clear.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.
Apocalyptic: "molokization" // in reference to Moloch ?
mircea_popescu: no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.
mircea_popescu: !s from:MolokoDesk
assbot: 629 results for 'from:MolokoDesk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3AMolokoDesk
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what are you doing these days ?
Apocalyptic: in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track
mircea_popescu: can you implement the deedbot spec ?
Apocalyptic: I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
mircea_popescu: um. you wrote an alt-exchange at some point iirc ?
Apocalyptic: indeed I did
mircea_popescu: qualified enough then!
mircea_popescu: "What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam?
mircea_popescu: Main Internet Marketing Discussion
mircea_popescu: by Dorian Anthony, 4th January 2015"
mircea_popescu: "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1158 @ 0.00086497 = 1.0016 BTC [-] {5}
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
ben_vulpes: neat trick, that
mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
ben_vulpes: i'll ask
kakobrekla: Dear Bitstamp customers,
kakobrekla: We are happy to announce that we are back open for business
kakobrekla: * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.
mircea_popescu: hey, glad i didn't bet.
mircea_popescu: well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim.
mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
joecool: kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?
kakobrekla: that only allows for up to 2gb of css.
kakobrekla: hence the land of opportunity.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends.
mod6: werd
mircea_popescu: anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."
mircea_popescu: probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.
mircea_popescu: it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.
mircea_popescu: this one, however... this one succeeded.
mod6: if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there.
mod6: the ranch certainly looks close.
mod6: Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located.
mod6: Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7285 @ 0.00085799 = 6.2505 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots.
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!
mircea_popescu: i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.
mod6: haha. i love the desert.
mod6: part of it is, there arn't many people there.
thestringpuller: mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year.
mircea_popescu: "finally, my toes no longer iced"
mod6: haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times
mod6: yeah!
mod6: when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you.
mod6: i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.
mod6: :/
mod6: or :{
mod6: haha
thestringpuller: so my buddy works for maxis
thestringpuller: great guy
thestringpuller: he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot
thestringpuller: the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city
mircea_popescu: this is a good idea.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#971166 < you may wanna extend this to coinbase
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.
mircea_popescu: why, got a bitcoin ?
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-resumes-operations/
kakobrekla: wai? cause using aws.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox
mircea_popescu: “Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.”
mircea_popescu: check this shit out!
assbot: SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRFM8f )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00064548 = 12.5869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.
mircea_popescu: come in, deroof the house, remove suspect.
BingoBoingo: We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados
mircea_popescu: can't leave that to nature.
BingoBoingo: Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing
BingoBoingo: Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
kakobrekla: yes - they burned all the free resources.
ben_vulpes: looool
mircea_popescu: gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
mircea_popescu: btw, isn't salesforce now using ubuntu ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, assbot wot not ready just yet.
ben_vulpes: !up works tho
ben_vulpes: !up Pierre_Rochard
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: you afoot?
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: sure am
thestringpuller: assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into
jurov: i suspect bitstamp is in shortage of people who can quickly and reliably set up iron. hence aws
mircea_popescu: i thought they moved to bay area.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
jurov: grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?
mircea_popescu: prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal.
mircea_popescu: to implement i mean.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Fixed, clarified
decimation: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/02/1418761112 << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."
assbot: A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ay3Q50 )
decimation: "R01s" are "leading NIH research grants"
mircea_popescu: gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states
mircea_popescu: generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men.
decimation: plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young
mircea_popescu: jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game.
decimation: until they have their final birthday party
mircea_popescu: what's teh republican senate think on the topic ?
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho.
decimation: I think there's a soft-money aspect here too
decimation: generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#970674 << actually spinoza produced fine polished lenses
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00065513 = 17.5247 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation define assets.
decimation: fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay
mircea_popescu: i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids.
decimation: the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets
mircea_popescu: decimation i meant on teh 32 bit support issue :)
decimation: heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit
mircea_popescu: this one lol.
mircea_popescu: not that one.
jurov: "Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession"
decimation: that would be great publicity!
mircea_popescu: "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s
decimation: actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'
mircea_popescu: (not entirely an inaccurate view, for that matter)
decimation: 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two
decimation: everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do'
mircea_popescu: well yes.
jurov: not even when queen speaks?
jurov: oh mn
jurov: nm
mircea_popescu: queen speaks in his own office.
mircea_popescu: it's a very dysfunctional marriage, columbia.
decimation: mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras
mircea_popescu: but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.
mircea_popescu: looks like Truant High.
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decimation: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women
mircea_popescu: only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair
decimation: all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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decimation: up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased
decimation: suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student
mircea_popescu: this is perennially the case with free republics.
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't you be able to go anywhere.
decimation: well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power
thestringpuller: real shit
mircea_popescu: yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.
mircea_popescu: obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.
mircea_popescu: something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man".
decimation: washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown
mircea_popescu: must suck for the kids in question.
decimation: well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.
mircea_popescu: "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"
pete_dushenski: a g'day gribbs
mircea_popescu: legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust
mircea_popescu: fact remains : yes, they will, and no they won't.
mircea_popescu: he's moving on a dead track.
davout: good evening
thestringpuller: bonjour davout
thestringpuller: ou c'est bon huit ?
mircea_popescu: davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ?
davout: wish i had an ak-47
mircea_popescu: not that expensive is it ?
davout: i have never looked this up actually
davout: what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one?
mircea_popescu: should be about 1k
davout: i mean legally
mircea_popescu: legally i never inquired.
mircea_popescu: if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop.
davout: that's pretty pragmatic
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BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?
mircea_popescu: NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?
mircea_popescu: they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat
pete_dushenski: sounds like nyc
mircea_popescu: what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically.
mircea_popescu: bottom 10th land values sort of affair
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?
assbot: We live in a world where someone is paid money to Photoshop pubic hair into pictures of Justin Bieber. http://t.co/evzUvXBc23
davout: what shooting are you referring to precisely?
mircea_popescu: lemme dig up what i read. la liberte mebbe
davout: police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho
mircea_popescu: En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un véhicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent à nouveau le feu avant de remonter à bord de leur Citroën. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l’allée verte, une rue perpendiculaire à celle du siège de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arrivé sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir,
mircea_popescu: nouvelle fusillade: un policier, âgé d’une trentaine d’années et rattaché au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touché puis froidement abattu au sol.
mircea_popescu: so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.
davout: well, the third one isn't that close
davout: but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris
mircea_popescu: but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.
davout: the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you
mircea_popescu: on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...
mircea_popescu: is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?
mircea_popescu: should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ?
mircea_popescu: should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ?
mircea_popescu: are they dressed modestly enough ?
davout: i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.
davout: choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved
mircea_popescu: yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly.
BingoBoingo: That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: is that kinda gay ?
asciilifeform: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room...
mircea_popescu: my intuitition!
BingoBoingo: My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ak-47... argentina... should be about 1k << wai wat. sure not off by a zero ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform HE wanted one, not me. he's in paris.
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for.
asciilifeform: iirc one can buy rifles in fr
mircea_popescu: i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.
mircea_popescu: im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D
asciilifeform: even here in usa many (most?) of such rifles offered for sale are originally made in ro
mircea_popescu: im sure.
asciilifeform: according to one source, it is because a large quantity of semi-automatic ak was once produced in that country (for a civil militia project of some kind, iirc)
mircea_popescu: cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.
mircea_popescu: in the 80s
asciilifeform: a very peculiar kind of 'mechanical crippleware', this 'street legal ak'
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
asciilifeform: two (?) missing small parts, slightly different bolt, according to schematics
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo perhaps can comment
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not
asciilifeform: (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)
BingoBoingo: Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0 << wai wat? sabotage ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it
asciilifeform: at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.
asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2
asciilifeform: what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ?
BingoBoingo: I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails
asciilifeform: yes but what obstacle.
BingoBoingo: Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle.
PeterL: From Trilema "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right?
mircea_popescu: PeterL lol first and last sentences :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965645 ) and that's that.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
asciilifeform: !s software does not fail
assbot: 3 results for 'software does not fail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=software+does+not+fail
RagnarDanneskjol: my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi
RagnarDanneskjol: ng too I believe.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.
RagnarDanneskjol: re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: make sure you read it as intended tho
mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."
PeterL: goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer
asciilifeform: what, however, determines what codebase is worth ?
asciilifeform: the worth of what dies if the proggy fails catastrophically?
mircea_popescu: that is up to management.
PeterL: or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software?
mircea_popescu: PeterL of important software.
assbot: So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.
mircea_popescu: having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 294.15, vol: 9199.33621954 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 286.95, vol: 9046.86098 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 290.5, vol: 28950.3525495 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 289.51, vol: 37.06275778 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.815168, vol: 106121.94360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 294.02, vol: 3.84070522 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.11425, vol: 68.39470571 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: heh the web exchanges trending up ?
PeterL: for some value of "up" and some value of "trending"
BingoBoingo: Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though
BingoBoingo: !up copumpkin
copumpkin: hi :)
mircea_popescu: how goes.
copumpkin: well, sitting in a train station
copumpkin: what's new?
PeterL: One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites
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PeterL: heh, I think that is my first bashed line :)
mircea_popescu: qntra can't afford flash.
BingoBoingo: No, Flash can't afford qntra.
PeterL: flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?
adlai imagines it's mutual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00065153 = 27.8855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36443 @ 0.00064428 = 23.4795 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it prolly is mutual at that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065754 = 2.0713 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12034 @ 0.00065754 = 7.9128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00066027 = 1.716 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15334 @ 0.00066036 = 10.126 BTC [+] {2}
PeterL: you know, you could pm him -fetch
BingoBoingo: Really?
PeterL: yeah
mircea_popescu: i recall reading that yeah
PeterL: if you pm him, you don't need to include scoopbot, just -fetch
kakobrekla: !s fetch from:kakobrekla
assbot: 8 results for 'fetch from:kakobrekla' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fetch+from%3Akakobrekla
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
kakobrekla: and few lines more.
cazalla: i don't know if anyone saw that ipad game that pays out 0.0001.. i fucked around with it for an hour or so and earned 0.0003, i'm sure some indian is setting up a sweatshop to farm it 24/7 as we speak
asciilifeform: cazalla: this kind of thing has been done in the past; e.g., amazon corp's 'mechanical turk'
PeterL: what do you do in this game to earn it?
cazalla: asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go
asciilifeform: cazalla: instrumented emulator.
cazalla: PeterL, you throw a monkey as far as you can plus the dev alleges he will use the in-game adsense type revenue to purchase more bitcoin and increase the bitcoin payouts for users https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bxTbByVkQ
assbot: SaruTobi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtDIN )
davout: PeterL: could you add http://fr.anco.is to scoopbot?
assbot: fr.anco.is | bitcoin et al. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtMvO )
cazalla: you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile
PeterL: davout sure
davout: ty!
mircea_popescu: cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance.
asciilifeform: unless the $500 machine emulates 100,000 click-idiots
cazalla: steal one from whitey
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PeterL: davout: let me know if your posts don't show up
kakobrekla: actually i can just make assbot pm scoopbot 'fetch' every 30 seconds and noone will ever know i fixed it.
mircea_popescu: PeterL how often does it scan feeds anyway ?
mircea_popescu: can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ?
PeterL: kakobrekla: scoopbot is set to check blogs every 5 minutes, some people are impatient
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is 5 minutes too slo ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought it was like a half hour
kakobrekla: i just find the whole fetch command thing silly.
PeterL: I think it might have been 15 minutes when I first made it?
kakobrekla: possibru
PeterL: well, cazalla asked for it, and it seemed easy enough to include
kakobrekla: 5 is better i guess idk rss sucks scam
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly polling much more frequently than that's just a waste.
kakobrekla: yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around
kakobrekla: use it slowly.
mircea_popescu: eh the world will live for five minutes at a stretch.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/
mircea_popescu: PeterL i even excluded your parser from teh branding programme
PeterL: branding program?
BingoBoingo: Branding Pogrom?
mircea_popescu: if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use
mircea_popescu: i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners
mircea_popescu: haven't had a problem since.
PeterL: Is that what that garbledy gook is at the start of the feed summary is?
PeterL: EG "NjkuMTYyLjY0Ljgy What's anon talking about ?"
PeterL: so that tell you what parser accessed your site?
mircea_popescu: then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech.
PeterL: aha, I see. please don't ban me
mircea_popescu: no the reverse.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't pop in your feeds no more.
asciilifeform: http://www-library.desy.de/preparch/books/death-rays.pdf << no, not really plaintextable. but interesting.
PeterL: "NDkxNDIwODUyMDg4fDY5LjE2Mi42NC44Mg== What's anon talking about" I think it got longer?
asciilifeform: (the first work i've chanced into on this subject, in many years, that isn't a regurgitation of old, tired pablum)
asciilifeform: it's actually about embezzlement
asciilifeform: of reichsmarks, naturally
asciilifeform: 'for science!'
mircea_popescu: PeterL you actually using multiple ips ?!
asciilifeform: decimation, ben_vulpes, undata ^ recommended reading
PeterL: well, there are two, one for the scoopbot and one for the blog agregator
mircea_popescu: well they got whitelisted both.
PeterL: is that going to take some time to take effect?
mircea_popescu: as soon as varnish catches on, i guess.
punkman: asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2 << lack of hosting admin, mostly
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that
PeterL: punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on?
punkman: no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had
punkman: Azelphur offered to do it couple of days ago, but too late I guess
PeterL: asciilifeform: your linked death-ray pdf, in text: http://nopdf.btcscoop.com/data/29ye5N
asciilifeform: PeterL: considerably less interesting without illustrations. and mangled formatting.
asciilifeform: PeterL: the 'it's still a turd, not sausage, even with relish' principle applies even here.
asciilifeform: PeterL: and we all have 'pdf2txt' or the like on our boxes. it isn't a solution.
undata: asciilifeform: thank you sir; I will
PeterL: " bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol
asciilifeform: PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!)
asciilifeform: !s valvular conduit
assbot: 0 results for 'valvular conduit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=valvular+conduit
asciilifeform: ;;google valvular conduit
gribble: Nikola Tesla'sValvular Conduit best video - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhJtSqLz88Q>; Tesla valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_valve>; Nikola Tesla's "Valvular Conduit" -- The Tesla Gas Turbine Patent: <http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/1329559.htm>
asciilifeform: you can build one. it sort-of works.
asciilifeform: about 1/3 greater velocity of flow in one direction than another.
decimation: asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
asciilifeform: decimation: don't be so quick to bury it. there's plenty on the air - just not in english.
decimation: deutsche welle, in particular, doesn't broadcast in german anymore (to my knowledge)
decimation: I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service
decimation: So does China
asciilifeform: sw is 'the spare internet.'
asciilifeform: best to not forget it entirely.
decimation: the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
asciilifeform: aside from atrocious 'lossiness' - but this is where highly-efficient 'graceful degradation' schemes like fountain-coding come in.
asciilifeform: (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.)
PeterL: how high of bandwidth could you transmit over shortwave?
decimation: well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation
decimation: but multipath can also be an advantage...
decimation: PeterL: a 'standard' shortwave channel is 4 kHz in width, through which you can push maybe a few kilobits/sec depending on what kind of scheme you are using
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket
mircea_popescu: and listen to it while you bathe.
asciilifeform: (pessimistically)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
mircea_popescu: instead, people having in their house the quantum equiv of gossipd
decimation: asciilifeform: herr shannon's limit ultimately governs your ability to push bits through a channel
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
asciilifeform: decimation: more prosaically, details like sunspot cycle and whether you are being jammed (deliberately or otherwise)
asciilifeform: entanglement << dicy, as it mostly entails ftl
mircea_popescu: quite dicy yes
decimation: indeed, as well as fine-grained details like your latitude, time of day, solar flares, etc
mircea_popescu: but that'll happen before "quantumcomputing" of any description, so...
decimation: if anyone is interested in simulation, usg publishes a free software package to simulate shortwave paths: http://www.voacap.com/prediction.html
assbot: VOACAP Online - professional-grade high-frequency (3-30 MHz) point-to-point propagation predictions ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4R1mm )
asciilifeform: entanglement diddling makes exotica like gravimetric comms, neutrino beam (!), etc. look realistic.
decimation: (that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program
PeterL: would 3-d printing help in manufacturing on of those tesla valves?
asciilifeform: btw entanglement to transmit rng to two ends is sop
mircea_popescu: kinda what quantum noise means
asciilifeform: (transmit synchronously)
assbot: Lizard Stresser Runs on Hacked Home Routers — Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZBt1L )
BingoBoingo: No surprises
mircea_popescu: heh. what's per pps cost ? or how do they price ?
BingoBoingo: Haven't looked.
mircea_popescu: "The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies"
mircea_popescu: orly. im sure they're "commercial" in a sense other than, "moar bezzle"
asciilifeform: like most chumpnets.
mircea_popescu: "While you’re monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the router’s default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally they invite you to use google's dns (8.8.8.8)
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E4842G.txt )
mircea_popescu: the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism.
asciilifeform: there isn't a 'good' dns, though. the very concept is a kind of contradiction, like a pleasant jail
asciilifeform: one can picture a terrible, mexican jail
asciilifeform: and a very demented isp with malignantly spamwildcardy dns
asciilifeform: but not 'good'
mircea_popescu: but one can readily understand why a verizon for dns is worse than any alternative.
asciilifeform: i'm told that other major telcos in usa have something not unlike it.
asciilifeform: mega-lol!! :
asciilifeform: 'hackforums'
asciilifeform: anyone who wants a good laugh, should visit the site
asciilifeform: these folks actually -buy- malware from one another
asciilifeform: and 'installs' (i.e. chumps)
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/10K1DFP.txt )
asciilifeform: often, even when source for xxxx is available, an idiot will pay (good money) to have 'a build'
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: spammers abound, offering 'installs' or soliciting to spam by the pound
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asciilifeform: sites like 'hackforum' are probably responsible for the 'man on the street' believing that there are vast oceans of money in crapware
asciilifeform: whereas many if not most of the folks involved have little intention (or ability) to pay the promised sums, or deliver, in many cases, the goods
asciilifeform: (some - do, sure; but adding up all of the 'puts' and 'asks', if you will, at face value, is still naive)
mircea_popescu: re http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#b5 : after an ad-hoc consultation half hour ago, the s.nsa board authorised a 4.72760085 BTC bet on the delivery side (1% of s.nsa equity).
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mircea_popescu: i'm counting it as a marketing expense, unless we win, in which case hey, free money.
assbot: The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDb3j )
asciilifeform: 'Based on information provided by A.B., the Secret Service used facial recognition to identify Jack Farrel as Ryan Andrew Gustafson.”' (krebs)
decimation: lol ascii did you put your last bitcoin on 'no'?
asciilifeform: funny how this mostly slipped by
asciilifeform: decimation: lol!
mircea_popescu: who was jack farrell
assbot: Alleged Counterfeiter “Willy Clock” Arrested — Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDoU5 )
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decimation: lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias."
assbot: Even Script Kids Have a Right to Be Forgotten — Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDyLa )
assbot: Fedora Development -- Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDB9X )
danielpbarron: !up beautyon
beautyon: So it's war then.
assbot: The tundra artichoke from frozen hell. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDScW )
mircea_popescu: wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered.
beautyon: The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant?
decimation: the romans tried damnatio memoriae
decimation: didn't work very well
asciilifeform: the phrase is, i think, a reference to an eu-ism
assbot: Right to be forgotten | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZE8bU )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ?
BingoBoingo: !up Percy_Montesquie
mircea_popescu: beautyon even if a vast majority of miners switch it still doesn't do anything for him.
mircea_popescu: doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference.
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov << Yezhov was friends with Stalin
assbot: Nikolai Yezhov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZElM0 )
mircea_popescu: i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond.
beautyon: mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you.
BingoBoingo: Well isn't that what Trilema's for. So you can save your memory's immediate recall juice for more pressing issues.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: Gavin really doesn't even seem to like Bitcoin that much anymore.
beautyon: BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself.
mircea_popescu: beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works.
beautyon: BingoBoingo: I actually believe that might be true on a subconscious level. Astonishing.
mircea_popescu: as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: If you want a historical thing similarly sank by mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/
assbot: Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZETl2 )
mircea_popescu: i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom
BingoBoingo: ;;google stock exchange holders on welfare
gribble: The Implications of Limited Stock Market Participation for ...: <http://166.111.7.37/Upload/file/20140110/20140110165337_8607.pdf>; How Shareholders Are Hurting America - ProPublica: <http://www.propublica.org/thetrade/item/how-shareholders-are-hurting-america>; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com stock exchange holders on welfare
gribble: The stockexchange shareholders on welfare pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/>
mircea_popescu: i don't know that vessenes' happy scamfarm is or ever was involved in anything to do with standards.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, bitcoin does have a standards body, http://thebitcoin.foundation/
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykJZq5 )
beautyon: mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance.
mircea_popescu: eh, you need money for that.
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mircea_popescu: vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it)
mircea_popescu: they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015.
mircea_popescu: so... it's a wart in full process of taking care of itself.
decimation: I wonder why there is so much action against gold
beautyon: Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide.
mircea_popescu: what wilson ? cody ?!
beautyon: If only!
joecool: mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks???
mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 reported that this is now the case
mircea_popescu: in the most recent monthly address
mircea_popescu: beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ?
assbot: 2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them
mircea_popescu: o, that dood. *shrug*
BingoBoingo: Ah, the comedian
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts he's allowed to commit anything past words in this matter.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's welcome to participate in bitcoin just as soon as he completes his log reading stage and persuades anyone his head's not full of straw.
beautyon: Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm.
BingoBoingo: They never really had control of anything.
mircea_popescu: beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle
assbot: HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZFUK5 )
danielpbarron: !up beautyon
beautyon: BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: I don't see how they could not know. I mean they can't even get their favorite to stop bleeding because they pay $145/CPM for TV marketing
mircea_popescu: yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
mircea_popescu: wasn't such a smart move, that.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i marked mtgox for death in april, they struggled to prop it for six months before abandoning it ignominously, i do not believe they do not know they can not stand.
mircea_popescu: the half or so that's left, anyway.
mircea_popescu: actually... quarter i guess. buncha people left last year too didn't they. is murky boy still involved ?
BingoBoingo: Murckckkck left the Fundnation
BingoBoingo: Because he just wanted to lobby
beautyon: That HashFast schmuck had good lawyers.
mircea_popescu: beautyon hardly.
mircea_popescu: you don't pay good lawyers out of 50k a year.
mircea_popescu: wait no. 50k net worth and 500 a month.
beautyon: But didn't he just walk away essentially?
BingoBoingo: Oh he got the whole farm
mircea_popescu: this is the rule in corp bankruptcy proceedings as administered in the us
mircea_popescu: you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer.
mod6: <+joecool> mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? << yup.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer. << Personal bankruptcy differs in that you get a lawyer because it compells phone spam aggro to their number and not yours
mircea_popescu: sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets.
decimation: personal bankruptcy is basically a well-oiled chumpatron
joecool: mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr)
mod6: :D
BingoBoingo: <joecool> mod6: solid, i'll open a bug to get it included in gentoo (and troll Luke-Jr) << He prolly has a historical version of his patch set s should be fine with it.
BingoBoingo: !up shovel_boss_
beautyon: By the way, are you going to publish a low level guide to warn everyone thinking about "upgrading" to the fork? Forearmed is forearmed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets. << Nah, you get the lawyer in personal ESPECIALLY when you don't have assets
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i meant in terms of getting raped.
mircea_popescu: beautyon you could.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: mircea_popescu laid out basics, but more guides written differently could help more innocents get the picture http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZHeMT )
beautyon: I'll do it.
joecool: mod6: are there plans to patch things like change predictability?
mircea_popescu: joecool CVE-2013-2273 you mean ?
joecool: yes
mircea_popescu: weren't they working on 5.9 ?
joecool: 0.5.3 is the version linked on thebitcoin.foundation
mircea_popescu: right you are.
mircea_popescu: i shall let teh experts comment.
mod6: joecool: not at this time, but that might get added to the list at some point.
mod6: the list is getting lengthy, but we're not going anywhere, so we've got time.
joecool: cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this?
asciilifeform: mod6: here's something i was gonna put in 'chicken' (init patch) but somehow forgot: version string.
asciilifeform: mod6: presently it spits out the traditional one. perhaps this should change at some point.
mod6: joecool: here's a guide to submitting a patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
mod6: if persons submitting patches do not have L2 trust with assbot they may be submitted directly to me, and I will review. and will probably have to sponsor said patch myself.
joecool: nah shouldn't be a problem, i have L2
joecool: format looks easy enough to follow, cool
mod6: yup, shouldn't be an issue for you. we'd love the help.
mod6: asciilifeform: ah ok. hmm. well, too late to go back and edit the 1st patch. but i guess you can submit another that resolves that issue.
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mod6 looks
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm leaving this for the folks actually involved
asciilifeform: one of you will have to pick the new string.
asciilifeform just wanted a fscking hardcopy of bitcoind
mircea_popescu: joecool> cool, you want any patches submitted for review on stuff like this? << definitely that part.
mircea_popescu: send to the list, signed.
mod6: asciilifeform: sure. ben & myself were just discussing this yesterday actually. heh. not sure what this version will be called yet.
mod6: might be v0.5.3.1
asciilifeform: change predictability << personally i'd like to see the problem solved in the civilized way. i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890278
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:06:33; asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
asciilifeform: walletron doesn't belong in the net stack. or on that box at all.
mircea_popescu: someone refresh me on what exactly that vuln was anyway ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7056 @ 0.00066962 = 4.7248 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: the entirely nonsensical way in which the client decides what to do with 'change'.
mircea_popescu: so what you can spend other people's change ?
mircea_popescu: iirc that was due to a bad hardware "rng"
asciilifeform: neh that wasn't it
asciilifeform: that was another one.
asciilifeform: (the duplicate nonce thing)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3264 @ 0.00066802 = 2.1804 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: joecool do you recall what that cvs actually did ?
assbot: Bug 462046 – net-p2p/bitcoind, net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: multiple vulnerabilities (CVE-2013-{2272,2273,2292,2293}) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZJG6c )
mircea_popescu: 2293 i recall was a retarded dos that had about 0 practical use
asciilifeform: anyone else puzzled that nowhere on the net - including above 'canonical' page - tells us wtf it did, in detail ?
asciilifeform: my sole recollections are from a brief discussion here, i think.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why but drawing a blank
asciilifeform: the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable'
joecool: i guess should look and see how they patched the behavior
asciilifeform: the whole cve paradigm is pure nsa, incidentally
asciilifeform: a 'chinese encyclopaedia' of, for the most part, mystery meats
mircea_popescu: but since we're discussing this, CVE-2013-2292 is still not fixed ?
asciilifeform: with 'the full dirt' presumably stowed away somewhere far.
mircea_popescu: (the take forever to verify tx thing)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yteah i am quite unhappy with an' suspicious of the current avenues for fixing "open source" software.
asciilifeform: this goes beyond the merely suspicious or ill-reputed, but is shitgnomery plain as daylight
asciilifeform: cve is the sec. research equivalent of the 1990s 'winamp playlist' (who remembers these ?)
mircea_popescu: i still have them
mircea_popescu: how do YOU listen to music ?
asciilifeform: 'mplayer'
asciilifeform: (cmd line proggy)
asciilifeform: but the playlists in question were a fashion where kids posted them on their 'look i have a w3bs1t311111'
asciilifeform: but no warez behind the names, naturally
mircea_popescu: anyway, a point of strategy, which i think everyone'll appreciate cuz it's lulzy. so : the scam foundation and its merry band of power rangers have very carefully constructed this situation where "nobody knows" what's what and whence it came and where it's going, because they (wrongly) perceived that ownership of an opaque codebase will guarantee them control and continued relevance.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this approach is that once challenged, they can not i nfact produce a list of what they did.
mircea_popescu: outside of handwaves and "it has been covered in previous posts", three years of "development" can readily be discarded and nobody'd know the difference.
mircea_popescu: how's that for irony.
asciilifeform: they could try to worm out of this tight spot by coughing up a 'wunderwaffen'
asciilifeform: but it seems doubtful
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'disregard x years and you'll never see the difference' is sop on usg projects.
joecool: !up xe4l
xe4l: thanks
xe4l: http://onerng.info/ new rng someone passed along
assbot: OneRNG - Hardware Random Number Generator ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXFwJE )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you have any idea what sort of work's involved in coughing up wunderwaffen that weren't planned for ?
asciilifeform: !s onerng
assbot: 4 results for 'onerng' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=onerng
asciilifeform: discussed in detail.
mircea_popescu: xe4l was mentioned b4
xe4l: rgr ty
asciilifeform: xe4l: do read the linked threads.
xe4l: already reviewing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wunderwaffen that doesn't have to defeat the enemy, but look impressibe - is a little easier.
asciilifeform: *impressive
mircea_popescu: considering whom it has to look impressive to...
mircea_popescu: defeating enemy prolly easier.
asciilifeform: at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ?
asciilifeform: unless they have a replacement muppet brigade on hot spare
mircea_popescu: what do you think this is, some sort of wh fast tracked project ?
asciilifeform: by the looks of it, probably a 'they showed up' kind of affair
decimation: what would a 'wunderwaffen' even be like? some kind of fatal bug they secretly fixed?
asciilifeform: decimation: neh. something more like a 'new, shiny, xxxxx' reimplementation in $trendylang
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ? << Hearding 101. If the sheep don't want to move on you let them get hungry in their overgrazed pasture. Makes them more receptive to new grass.
asciilifeform: (re: general chumpatronics. begs to be photodiddled.)
decimation: asciilifeform: based on their current work 'output' that scenario seems very unlikely
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: pretty much
asciilifeform: the muppets' work? sure. handlers? could extract it (from where? don't look at me) and put in their hands
asciilifeform: like stone tablets to moses
BingoBoingo: It's systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
xe4l: in review, onerng pros: cheap, shielded cons: hobbyist level device, design flaws
asciilifeform: !s spreading works
assbot: 19 results for 'spreading works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works
decimation: lol yeah that poster is hilarious. the best cattle *volunteer* for the bioreactor
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
xe4l: hahahahaha
BingoBoingo: Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ?
asciilifeform: (appears to be a logical inference here? llama was voted up?)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. Bitcoin accepting merchant "Okcupid". Simply probing a data aggregator that happens to accept BTC.
xe4l: anyone using traffic creation software to mask activity? Eg: all internet connectivity from residence is routed out vpn(s), using QOS and traffic simulation software you maintain say 10mbit worth of various traffic (replaying or creating all relevant encapsulated protocols in use) with a low QOS setting such that your consumption is undetectable?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Related: We just detected that you’re now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama. << ahahaha wut.
asciilifeform: xe4l: let's imagine we were. wouldn't discussing it here defeat the purpose of the exercise ?
xe4l: in this context, not really actually
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: why are you on a zoophile site ? << it's not a zoophile site. it's a women's site.
asciilifeform: xe4l: were you here for the 'buried treasure' thread ?
xe4l: negative
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nominally they accept Bitcoin and the same founders also made the Keybase.io thing. Gotta see if the average man on it looks worse than an ungulate.
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xe4l: !s buried treasure
assbot: 10 results for 'buried treasure' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buried+treasure
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: actual woman on dating site? lol wtf << Site in question kept my dick wet through Library school.
mircea_popescu: xe4l there's a deeper point involved here. stealth does not work in and of itself, as a strategy. if you want safety, you deploy an army. if you want to play the stealthy, you attach yourself to something with an army.
xe4l: I'm quite aware of Opsec
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But since the founders made the Keybase abomination, I want to find out how much their original venture lies
xe4l: it's trivial to detect if someone is or isn't doing what I described, it's merely a layer to mask activity inside of a segment
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
xe4l: talking about how you deal with protocol timing attacks would go more with the buried treasure opsec concept
kakobrekla: yes, good to know it works with numbers over 1k.
mircea_popescu: well really, over 100000000000
mircea_popescu: xe4l i guess i don't understand what the purpose would be
xe4l: it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless
mircea_popescu: right...
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asciilifeform: it's trivial to sniff most connectivity, especially wireless << >> 'it is trivial to steal most objects, especially rotting squirrels in parks'
xe4l: the size, shape, duration, timing, etc of our traffic, no matter how encrypted still provides a wealth of information
xe4l: if for instance, your laptop, desktop, phone, whatever; always did 10mbit of encrypted traffic with variations in timing, packet size, etc
mircea_popescu: i think you will soon discover if you ever get to the practical side of things that denying ALL INFORMATION to an undefined attacker is a function of infinite budgets.
mircea_popescu: in general, to keep 99% out of any attacker's hands you'll need to spend 100x what they spend.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 05:22:48; mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
asciilifeform: !s invert matrix
assbot: 2 results for 'invert matrix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=invert+matrix
xe4l has a background in information security consulting for fortune 100's
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mircea_popescu: "David Smith
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assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:00:10; asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066802 = 1.1356 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "david has a mental issue that makes him see vivid scenes from literature and also forces him to write about himself in the third person."
xe4l: what I'm talking about is simply providing less information, right now all of our connectivity generates a substantional amount of noise that can be intperetered, my thought is to shift that to, they are transmitting and receiving or they aren't
mircea_popescu: i guess something on udp then
asciilifeform: xe4l: let's start with the fact that 10mb/s will instantly promote you to your isp's 'hog list' in some, if not all, isp
decimation: who is 'they', and what are you transmitting or receiving?
asciilifeform: wasn't on a list the day before, and now you are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's an excellent approach to make the point.
xe4l: asciilifeform: it was a crude example, a proper implementation would do fancy shaping, but normalize the overall traffic pattern; I'm sure residential providers wouldn't like this, but MPLS/VPLS, metro-e, routing over peering/IX - it's irrelevant
decimation: asciilifeform: what is comcast's 'secret' bandwidth cap these days? a few hundred gigabytes per month
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture the fool who buys this, with his credit card, has it sent, etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation 60 from what i hear.
xe4l: over wireless you would pulse, your receiver would always transit and receive say 10mb every hour on teh hour
asciilifeform: 'whatamoron' - lizardhitler
mircea_popescu: xe4l i don't get what the attacker is supposed to think here. "oh, it's ok, that's just what that weird node does" ?
asciilifeform: xe4l: student exercise in traffic analysis. http://sleipnir.syari.net/pool/graphs.html?Month << litecoin miner graphs. say which ones are chumpnet-powered.
assbot: Syari.net - P2Pool Graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUQl0H )
asciilifeform: answer (rot13) - boivbhfyl, gur fvahfbvqf. qnl/avtug plpyr, znpuvarf trg fjvgpurq ba, bss. gur cynarg gheaf.
BingoBoingo: !up xe4l
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles. << Obvious hypothesis, they found a Wasp cache and kept the rifles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neh, cheap plasticky crap
asciilifeform: chumpatron
asciilifeform: with bait component
decimation: like those magnets you stick to your gas tank to improve fuel economy
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 04:40:04; *: asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
BingoBoingo: Cheap is prolly fine as long as you use enough cosmoline and can find solvent, but yes. Selling specifically for rifles problematic.
xe4l: mircea_popescu: oh the point would be that a sniffer would either see say 1mbit full duplex say ipsec traffic
asciilifeform: xe4l: then enemy relocates to the other end of the connection and proceeds to do - whatever he was originally to do at your end
xe4l: mircea_popescu: if the endpoint isn't doing anything, the software saturates the encrypted tunnel up to the same traffic volume/patter/protocol
xe4l: think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD
xe4l: no one can tell if your node is even doing anything or if it's just all white noise
asciilifeform: 'no one' ? lol
xe4l: lol valid point, few organizations other than the NSA have any idea if data is moving or not
BingoBoingo: xe4l: You idea seems to introduce of getting v& for DDoS as plausible reason even if attacker can not tell your actual schtick
xe4l: the idea is to reduce the number of data points that can be gathered from sniffing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00066802 = 13.5274 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise searching 100k houses just "creates jobs" right ?
mircea_popescu: if it were a military matter they wouldn't cut the walls offhouses.
mircea_popescu: <xe4l> think TOR but you always do 10mbit FD << o that's what this is, you fixing what you read about tor vulnerabilities recently ?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30 * 24 * 3600 * 10 / 8
gribble: 3240000
xe4l: mircea_popescu: haha, naw, TOR has a host of issues; this is merely a security layer if contemplated deploying
mircea_popescu: amazon will let you have that for ~300 a month
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