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mircea_popescu: seems to me like someone likely ran off with a wallet.
mircea_popescu: curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange
cazalla: well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec
decimation: the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)
decimation: for mar 2015 Euro Futures, price 1.1949 with a 32k volume
decimation: to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096
mircea_popescu: don't do options on futures, do spot options.
Fun: mircea_popescu: whats the difference?
mircea_popescu: that one is an option on the future and the other on the spot o.O
mircea_popescu: what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?
decimation: yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble
mircea_popescu: irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures
decimation: they certainly exist
mircea_popescu: the catholic church also "exists"
decimation: are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that one can hang himself from it.
decimation: actually options on spot probably don't exist, come to think on it
mircea_popescu: look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.
decimation: like, why would you pay to deliever something that's only valued today?
decimation: I guess my point is that a promise to deliver a euro tomorrow isn't a spot price
BingoBoingo kind of really wants kakobrekla to write an "I told you so" piece on Bitstamp
mircea_popescu: this is true
thestringpuller: Bitcoin has died 23 times
mircea_popescu: but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.
decimation: yeah fair point
decimation: so weirdly my brokerage doesn't appear to have spot (freestyle?) forex options, only options on futures
decimation: it does appear that forex is a very specialized thing that varies widely with brokerage
mircea_popescu: yes but use an option for mar on the mar future.
decimation: !up Fun
Fun: they package stuff to confuse people imo
mircea_popescu: rather than a jan option on the mar future.
Fun: derivative on top of derivative
mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
mircea_popescu: this is no different.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00064849 = 11.1865 BTC [+] {4}
Fun: I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start
Fun: :)
mircea_popescu: Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.
Fun: more of b they hope gov will tell some bank to bail them out
decimation: k. a Mar 15 call for a march euro strike 1.19 costs 0.0221 and a put costs 0.0172
Fun: 0.02 is cheap
mircea_popescu: uptrend huh.
Fun: those are 125,000 lots so say 1% move is 1,250 gain?
mircea_popescu: no dude.
mircea_popescu: if it goes to 1.2121 you break even
Fun: but it may well outperform strike price
mircea_popescu: if it outperforms it by 2 cents and 21 hundredths you make money.
Fun: atm 1.1939
Fun: I see
Fun: there is some vol on 11800.0
Fun: march 2015
Fun: so say 0.10 gain minus 0.0281 thats 0.7 approx * 125.000 right?
Fun: 0.0281 option cost
mircea_popescu: i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.
decimation: the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007
Fun: mircea_popescu: what do u mean? feel free to correct calculations
mircea_popescu: i have, above.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064576 = 4.5261 BTC [-]
Fun: there is option cost per lot
Fun: and strike price
Fun: ok u think price wont change that much?
Fun: decimation: 0.007 is fine imo
thestringpuller: "You know you've done things right when people don't think you've done anything at all"
mircea_popescu: i fucking hate webrot.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen khers oh what's the use
thestringpuller: more precisely "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Fun: :)
ben_vulpes: wah jesus that's a scrollback
Fun: ;;gpg eregister Fun 1E42DA89AA22D605
thestringpuller: wow there isn't even a google cache
thestringpuller: Fun: gribble is on vacation
thestringpuller: blame nanotube :D
Fun: lol
Fun: so how do people register to talk here? ":
Fun: :)
thestringpuller: as of now you don't
Fun: cool
Fun: makes sense
thestringpuller screams nanotube like Kirk sceams Khan.
Fun: decimation: which broker do u use?
decimation: td ameritrade
Fun: thats a big one
Fun: strange they dont offer whole range to you
Fun: decimation: also options prices seems so cheap
Fun: maybe I am missing something?
decimation: they are known for their platform
Fun: yes
Fun: canuck bank :D
ben_vulpes: !up fun
ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
Apocalyptic: it's gonna be a while
Fun: or change assbot rules?
Fun: :D
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: you think gribble won't be back for a few days? Weeks?
thestringpuller: This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.
Apocalyptic: same here
ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
decimation: it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked
Fun: not odd related
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website
thestringpuller: it's pretty redundant
ben_vulpes: fun and how would you know?
Fun: logic
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
thestringpuller: That I cannot verify!
thestringpuller: OH NOES we have a dilemma
ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
Fun: decimation: so yes about forex dont u think those options are kinda cheap
decimation: I donno man, I don't really daytrade fx options
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: in all srsns single point of access == single point of failure
Fun: decimation: nor do I however in light of recent geo political events it seems neat thing to do
danielpbarron: kakobrekla> any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead << because they don't use the WoT
Fun: :D
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing. << same here #2
Fun: as to reality if drunk person mistakes tree for say a monster he will hack it
thestringpuller: but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?
Fun: so no matter how reality is perceived human action does alter it :D
ben_vulpes: meanie
thestringpuller: that was quick.
thestringpuller: damn, I guess we just pray nanotube isn't locked up in some mexican prison somewhere
ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?
ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
ben_vulpes: !up kermit
thestringpuller: instead of just reading log.bitcoin-assets.com ?
ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
assbot: Oil, Power and Psychopaths - The Automatic Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/14c7S7M )
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels!
thestringpuller: i feel slightly saddened :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16345 @ 0.00064869 = 10.6028 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0K2xW4O89U derp has moved on from blockchain technology, has a new one for 2015
assbot: Multisignature Technology - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14c9UF0 )
mircea_popescu: lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.
mircea_popescu: quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00063081 = 4.7878 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: Hey.. What is this 2015 has started already? Feels like Monday
Vexual: im guessing that bitstamp hot wallet ain't small
BingoBoingo: Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing
assbot: 500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/14cdGOp )
mircea_popescu: no later tell no nothing fucking bs.
Vexual: so were busting nanotube from mexico?
Vexual: BingoBoingo: got a few days free?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Not really
Vexual: put it in sluts.txt and do it later then
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat
Vexual: now theres a tld worth bidding on
Vexual: ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz <this guy gets it
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peterl-scoopbot/
adlai: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00065284 = 15.5376 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15214 @ 0.00065366 = 9.9448 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with this one.
thestringpuller: everything is breaking
thestringpuller: bitpocalypse 2015
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00064929 = 5.6813 BTC [-]
fluffypony: it's because of the Gawgoxstamp
mircea_popescu: thje only McAuliffe google knows is some politico.
mircea_popescu: it'll be a great world to live in, this.
cazalla: hey fluffypony, is amarula nice?
fluffypony: cazalla: it's a little too sweet for my tastes, I'm a whisky and red wine man
fluffypony: but it's fantastic in shooters
fluffypony: kahlua + amarula + cream
cazalla: on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut
mircea_popescu: that's all for me. laters!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00063356 = 13.6215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00062732 = 8.0924 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Bitstamp Exchange Suspends Service | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPy12K )
cazalla: so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015
cazalla: !up RagnarDanneskjol
cazalla: qntra down, that's a first for some time
cazalla: !up davout
davout: ty
davout: !s deeds spec
assbot: 1 results for 'deeds spec' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deeds+spec
davout: not many halps
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman has a newer much more detailed spec
RagnarDanneskjol: i was keeping it at deedbot.com but now thats outdated too
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
davout: whoops
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.88 B (8%) on Yes, 10.19 B (92%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPz2HU )
davout: :D
davout: !up RagnarDanneskjol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2036 @ 0.000853 = 1.7367 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: or we're in the future we wanted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1819 @ 0.000852 = 1.5498 BTC [-]
xanthyos: division by zero error somewhere
xanthyos: i've moved most to electrum wallet as recommended by BingoBoingo
cazalla: xanthyos, ya know electrum wallet is racist, right? https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/541420975716597760 (lol at that shit still being there)
assbot: I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash
xanthyos: wow, bad twitter account management!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00064122 = 10.3878 BTC [+]
xanthyos: hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded
xanthyos: open source though
cazalla: nfi any of this true but rumoured bitcoin theft address, nice 1 btc fee too https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAk9ht )
cazalla: zzz anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00062927 = 9.6908 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The creator of Minecraft outbid Beyoncé and Jay Z on this $70 million megamansion | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAoIIs )
punkman: !up davout
davout: ty
davout: cazalla: a lot of the other transactions to this address sport a hefty fee too
davout: which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'
thestringpuller: bah cazalla went beddy bye before I could get to work lol
TomServo: !up soypirate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.10815384 = 1.406 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064991 = 8.6438 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: !up joesmoe
TomServo: Hello joesmoe
TomServo: What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00065582 = 11.7392 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: im now getting "my output address is bitstamp hot wallet" emails from bitbet users.
TomServo shakes his head.
kakobrekla: now "bitbet sucks because bitstamp stole coins"
davout: lol
mod6: pff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15128 @ 0.00062819 = 9.5033 BTC [-] {3}
artifexd: http://imgur.com/gallery/KyGoaQQ << This would make an awesome shirt. Maybe an S.NSA advertisement.
artifexd: Anybody else having problems getting anything useful from trilema.com?
kakobrekla: haxed
kakobrekla: hot wallet 'gone'.
mike_c: oh no, somebody haxed all the trilema credits?
kakobrekla: qntra also down
mike_c: 502, that doesn't seem like ddos.
punkman: fivezerotwo is back?
mike_c: feels more like a normal ops problem.
kakobrekla: its been down for 45m
davout: it's the end of the world apparently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00062685 = 1.2637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00062685 = 11.2833 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: seems the bets have stopped?
mircea_popescu: still no google eh ?
mircea_popescu: !s nanotube
assbot: 586 results for 'nanotube' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanotube
kakobrekla: no trilema or qntra either
mircea_popescu: bein' worked on.
kakobrekla: did ya lose you hot wallet too?
kakobrekla: nvm just derpin.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have one lol.
kakobrekla: in the spirit of buttstamp and all.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)?
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
kakobrekla: !s dram controller
assbot: 3 results for 'dram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dram+controller
kakobrekla: i think the answer is there somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00063952 = 14.0375 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but at this point youd be better off reading all ze logs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections
mircea_popescu: in all likelyhood, moar wp crud.
kakobrekla: who banned?
mircea_popescu: that's not specified.
kakobrekla: brb meat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00084091 = 1.6818 BTC [-] {8}
punkman: http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel"
davout: in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes
kakobrekla: lolwhut
mike_c: hehehe. 1099's for all of them!
davout: mike_c: yes
punkman: "or if you want me to send it via postal mail." < send it to random Somalian address
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00064007 = 4.9925 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: diana_coman: I heard a rumor awhile ago that you got eulora compiling/running on windows. is that true?
mike_c: !up diana_coman
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2089 @ 0.0008313 = 1.7366 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: thx
diana_coman: hi mike_c yes
diana_coman: I did get it compiled and running on Windows 8, 64bit
mike_c: would you be willing to share how you did that?
diana_coman: I've written the steps on the wiki
mike_c: oh
diana_coman: actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs
diana_coman: but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason
assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKYP81 )
mike_c: oh? I actually host that wiki. what happened when you tried to edit?
diana_coman: got an error when trying to save the changes
diana_coman: to be fair, I can't even remember if I had an account, but I somehow thought I didn't need one last time
diana_coman: oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/
assbot: The cost of shitogramming in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKZ8Qq )
mike_c: hm, i was just able to make an edit without logging in
mike_c: could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps.
diana_coman: let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time
diana_coman: uhm, it works now, weird
diana_coman: well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now
Naphex: o/
mike_c: great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.
diana_coman: mike_c no problem, ping me if it still doesn't work
diana_coman: re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue?
mike_c: hm. I'll look into it.
diana_coman: I just get a blank screen when I try to save (with http)
thestringpuller: sup diana_coman
diana_coman: the rest works fine, so no big deal there
diana_coman: thanks thestringpuller
mike_c: sounds like some security plugin gone awry. I'll fix it.
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
thestringpuller: is it working ~_~
thestringpuller: oh it did
thestringpuller: we're operating in apocalypse mode
thestringpuller: gribble-pocalypse 2015!
pete_dushenski: suprised gizmodo hasn't picked this up
pete_dushenski: those gawker guys love their apocali
thestringpuller: yea no one knows where nanotube is
assbot: Let Obama eat cake. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL2yT8 )
thestringpuller: holy fuck bitstamp is suspended
pete_dushenski: they're pooched
thestringpuller: haha. holy fuck.
thestringpuller: i love a good bitpocalypse
thestringpuller: watch the n00bs burn and burn
pete_dushenski: almost as satisfying as watching wall street face plant
pete_dushenski: crude sub-$50
mike_c: fuck. i knew i should have bitbet that.
mike_c: "knew". i'm a wimp.
pete_dushenski: skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always
thestringpuller: some people just don't like to gamble
mike_c: yes yes. i just got my butt kicked on "bitcoin won't suck by end of 2014" bets, so perhaps i am gunshy.
mike_c: plus, it hasn't happened yet. mar '15 is at $50.65
thestringpuller: at least we all one the NSA delivery bet
thestringpuller: wow I can't spell/grammar
kakobrekla: quick scalp for best profit.
pete_dushenski: mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller in the cash money nao!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14042 @ 0.00063743 = 8.9508 BTC [-]
assbot: [OPEN] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4GdC )
thestringpuller: a new saying: "When there is blood on the streets, buy Bitcoin."
thestringpuller: collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)
assbot: Bitcoin jobs! Get your Bitcoin jobs! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xL4ZVY )
mircea_popescu: how's ozland pete_dushenski ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu it was a little rainier and cooler than expected, a little pricier too, but overall perfectly pleasant
pete_dushenski: i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?
thestringpuller: the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah actually.
mircea_popescu: this is why it produced.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "it's their userbase" ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lovely :)
mircea_popescu: in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D
thestringpuller: "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."
pete_dushenski: they promised guise!
davout: i want an OHAI packet
davout: opening a connection
mircea_popescu: you got it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2672 @ 0.00080643 = 2.1548 BTC [-] {11}
davout: said connection being terminated by a KTHXBYE packet
mircea_popescu: no terminations rly.
ben_vulpes: ("BAI")
davout: LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps
mircea_popescu: many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.
mircea_popescu: ie, started with cunt, ended with cock.
mircea_popescu: was the best thing ever for a summer.
davout: what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?
mircea_popescu: well how do you know X is allowed to speak for me ?
mircea_popescu: unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.
davout: GPG-signatures?
davout: ok
davout: server keypair
mircea_popescu: basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-a-better-ircd-rfc/
davout: so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's
kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
kakobrekla: its not like we gonna run out of internets anytime soon.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla trilema rss is 15 minutes delayed anyway
davout: makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?
kakobrekla: set it 5min for trilema, 1 min for qntra etc
kakobrekla: forget the fetch nonsense.
mircea_popescu: davout no, it's to make mitm and masquerading much harder.
davout: apart from replaying i can't think of an example where GPG isn't enough a protection already
davout: s/enough/enough of/
mircea_popescu: a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.
mircea_popescu: tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.
mircea_popescu: it's been much better stated by smarter men, of course. http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/
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davout: i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
mircea_popescu: davout suppose i send spoofed ip messages.
mircea_popescu: i can encode to your public key.
mircea_popescu: what now ?
mircea_popescu: in the design as is, now you reject my junk because i don't know the salts.
davout: i discard your messages since it doesn't bear a valid GPG signature
mircea_popescu: messages don't need to be signed.
mircea_popescu: and this deliberately.
davout: if they were wouldn't that remove the salts requirements?
mircea_popescu: it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.
davout: because if you know the server's key, you're probably aware of the salts etc
davout: ic
mircea_popescu: how does that work ? you know my ip and his gpg pubkey.
mircea_popescu: how does this make it probable you have root on my box ?
davout: i meant if you raped the server for its key, you may as well have the salt and stuff
mircea_popescu: pubkey ?
davout: both
mircea_popescu: o you meant in your signed alt-spec. mkay.
davout: i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually
mircea_popescu: actually, it occurs to me this needs some padding.
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ben_vulpes: oh and now a netsplit?
kakobrekla: it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.
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mircea_popescu: i'd be very surprised if it needs to wait for 2025. i doubt one in three english speakers i meet are not autistic as it is.
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mike_c: # of video games by platform for last 40 years: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6l6bcsIgAEQSo5.png:large
thestringpuller: mike_c: bigger image?
thestringpuller: too much png not enough svg
mike_c: srsly. it zooms pretty well.
thestringpuller: it zooms mildly well
thestringpuller: I can't read the labels
thestringpuller: i can see that the 2600 is up there with the iphone
thestringpuller: that correlation amuses me deeply
TomServo: !up adlai
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i give any importance to counts.
mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense
mircea_popescu: in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's
mircea_popescu: "this" ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that
mircea_popescu: imo worse on the 2nd pass.
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thestringpuller: much worse. i'm more impressed than mad at it though.
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mircea_popescu: check out all the self-contradictory haet.
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
cazalla: gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks
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thestringpuller: everyone is trying to extract ad revnue with mobile apps
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cazalla: ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games
cazalla: not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)
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thestringpuller: lol that adult swim game
mircea_popescu: lol wut, new time
cazalla: thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0
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cazalla: nfi what that evolution one is but looks a bit better than original
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: !up Naphex
ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
ascii_modem: !s kapelle
assbot: 2 results for 'kapelle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kapelle
ascii_modem: he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits
ascii_modem: i'm pleasantly surprised to learn that this is, apparently, one of those 'inevitable' inventions
ascii_modem: that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked
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mike_c: i feel like i'm going to take some shit for this.
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mike_c: Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.
mike_c: diana_coman: ^
diana_coman: ha ha mike_c
kakobrekla: what, computers got good at recognizing cats ?
mike_c: srsly. it was working really well too.
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diana_coman: I never got why are people supposed to prove that they are not computers/bots, really
mike_c: before that captcha the wiki was swarmed with thousands of fake accounts and pages
mike_c: they were creating hundreds of users and pages a day
diana_coman: uhm, so you're saying that effectively for all behaviour, there really ARE more bots (be it blood and flesh and bones ones) than people around on the internets
diana_coman: could be, I guess
diana_coman: I confess I did not really look into it, but I'd rather look for some way to block bots away without the expense for actual humans - dunno, maybe some kind of timestamp check thing or something similar
mike_c: Trilema tries that
diana_coman: and doesn't it succeed?
mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans
diana_coman: hmmm, I guess then the question remains on how often that happens
diana_coman: I mean: if you ask by default humans to prove, than it happens each and every time, really, no choice there
mike_c: only each and every time you post a link.
diana_coman: really? how is that?
mike_c: idk, the thing has some smarts. but that's why it worked sometimes and not others.
diana_coman: do you mean posting a link on trilema or on the wiki>
mike_c: the wiki
diana_coman: a, ok, I don't know about that
diana_coman: at least it did not ask me to identify cats and dogs...
mike_c: the thing is, the trilema one is extremely frustrating when it misfires.
mike_c: because you don't know even know why
diana_coman: well, so you go and yell at the owner, lol
diana_coman: that must at least let some frustration out
mike_c: yes, but this is hardly a good solution for a wiki. you, for example, did not go yell at the owner
mike_c: you just didn't post
diana_coman: true, because I thought that well, if there is some interest in the thing, they will come asking on eulora /irc and then we sort it out
diana_coman: no need to sort it out earlier
diana_coman: and there you came asking, so it worked
diana_coman: I did raise the problem on eulora channel
mike_c: yes, but it took six weeks. picking some cat photos seems like less of a pain.
mike_c: but, this is religious debate.
diana_coman: on some days I admit I might send the cats and dogs and site to all hell and as a result not post
mike_c: hehe
diana_coman: but then again, that might be just me, I admit it
diana_coman: btw, out of curiosity: why is this eulorom site apart entirely from mingame.bz? I thought eulora was essentially made by minigame so I don't quite follow the different sites/lack of links or is there something I'm missing?
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mike_c: diana_coman: the wiki is a "fan site". not run by minigame.
diana_coman: ohhh, cool mike_c
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thestringpuller: fan boiz
mike_c: captcha fixed, no cats.
thestringpuller: captcha shoud be sloths
thestringpuller: how could a sloth ever be the face of evil
mike_c: that's the problem. sloths can't defeat spammers. cats can.
mike_c: wtf is that evil link?
mike_c: psa: don't click that.
thestringpuller: it's a picture of a sloth
thestringpuller: hosted by funnyjunk
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assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 21:34:11; ascii_modem: re: mircea's 'ircd' article:
asciilifeform: like 'phantom limb.'
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asciilifeform: punkman: [fpga thread] would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc) << problem is that you can't make so much as a barrel shifter on any extant fpga without using a closed turd from the vendor - actually, two turds: one in the logic library part itself, other - the synthesis toolchain
asciilifeform: punkman: one can attempt to work with just the synthesis toolchain (no escape from it) and use netlists of 'raw' logic - i.e. simple universal constructs like 'nand gate'. the result - go try it - a very simple kindergarten-level circuit fills up the entire chip, with glacial performance (gate delays measured in msec!)
asciilifeform: this is because the entire fpga concept, as imagined by n00bs to the subject, does not actually work.
asciilifeform: folks doing actual work with fpga make very light use of the general-purpose routing matrix
asciilifeform: and of the LUTs
asciilifeform: mostly they hook up vendor 'library' parts together. these usually (though not always) correspond to miniature 'islands' of asic present on the chip
asciilifeform: e.g., an adder, a shifter, uart, 500 other kinds of part.
asciilifeform: punkman: but back to original question, mips is vastly easier to implement in programmable logic of whatever kind than x86. this ought to be obvious to anyone with even an evening's familiarity with both.
asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ?
ben_vulpes: not i
ben_vulpes: get a cloak toddf
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
asciilifeform mutters something about parachutes
kakobrekla: do you have one?
asciilifeform: neh i only have a splat.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 03:23:35; asciilifeform: i dare to invoke the 'parachute theorem' and say now, that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late.
asciilifeform: !up RagnarDanneskjol
asciilifeform wrestles with dilemma of whether he should open up his 90 or so percent implementation of mircea_popescu's RFP
asciilifeform will then end up stuck with doing actual werk
asciilifeform fesses up that he worked on it, on and off, for some months, so as to have a 'killerapp' application for cardano when the latter is unwrapped
RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
asciilifeform: altgribble ?
kakobrekla: "sir, we are out of potato, but we can offer some fresh shit. its on the house."
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RagnarDanneskjol: Yea in -OTC... Its run by someone else using cached
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mod6: ;;bc,stts
mod6: 404 Gribble Not Found
mod6: forgot heh
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kakobrekla: !up Chiyo
BingoBoingo: !up svetlana
kakobrekla: !up wc-
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BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: You are quoted again for who knows how many words this time.
kakobrekla: aha :)
kakobrekla: qntra down ?
BingoBoingo: Looks like it.
kakobrekla: i suspekt ddos is back on chan as well
ben_vulpes: all-channel attack, huh?
BingoBoingo: Well, at least I published the thing so it will be visible eventually.
kakobrekla: ddos on chan confirmed :)
BingoBoingo: Fuck it IRC is too advanced to be safe. We need to do baudot over ULF. 10 MW minimum to get voice.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will enjoy my comment on trilema then (when that site is back...)
mircea_popescu: eh what, again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your site appears to be down
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems
mircea_popescu: mkay, looking into.
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mircea_popescu: "Your store/business has been published on our bitgazetteer.com website." heh.
mircea_popescu: "i know, whatsapp got 200 bn for essentially spamming, why wouldn't we!"
kakobrekla: fasten your seatbelts
kakobrekla: [02:23:50] <svetlana> cloaking is NOT the solution to the problem.
kakobrekla: [02:24:05] <kakobrekla> how is it not?
kakobrekla: [02:24:11] <kakobrekla> if everyone is cloaked noone can be ddosed
kakobrekla: [02:25:27] <kakobrekla> freenode is broken by default as it will show your ip plainly
kakobrekla: [02:25:49] <svetlana> it is rather trivial to look through cloaks (chanserv can, and anyone can query chanserv with various cidrs and ask whether people match).
kakobrekla: !up svetlana
mircea_popescu: let's start with something simple. who is svetlana.
svetlana: I might suggest not using cloaks as the solution here. Using cidr entries in access list, and /cs why, it's quite trivial to look through them. We don't want to "teach" whoever is ddosing here that -- he'd keep doing his thing.
asciilifeform: what is the suggested solution (other than '+i' which was discussed at one point, bitter pill)
svetlana: Instead, get affected people to check their router logs and get more details about the attack.
asciilifeform: svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla
asciilifeform: svetlana: standard ntp and ssdp 'amplification' attack
mircea_popescu: and "more details" will do what ?
svetlana: asciilifeform: It is not rather dumbly from a single IP, is it?
asciilifeform: svetlana: not familiar with term 'amplification attack' ?
BingoBoingo: svetlana: It is some asshole herding wayward machines
BingoBoingo: routers, servers, the occasional 10 kilo wordpress sites
asciilifeform: svetlana: perhaps you know it under another name. attacker sends spoofed packets to a series of machines, usually misconfigured routers and embedded systems of other kinds
asciilifeform: these reply with N bytes for each spoofed byte sent, hence term 'amplification'
asciilifeform: but they reply to the spoofed address (victim's) rather than attacker's.
svetlana: If the details that you have are not sufficient (which is somewhat often the case), we have to apply discretion and judgment to figure out who it is (before +i, it might make sense to use +r and see if it makes things stop).
mircea_popescu: svetlana so far, we still don't know who you are.
asciilifeform: aha, suggestion is that we occupy ourselves with a permanent game of whack-a-mole.
svetlana: I am from another channel where wc- was complaining about the issue. Couldn't suggest anything but not perceiving cloak as the solution, to him.
mircea_popescu: this is all nice and good, however...
mircea_popescu: the parcimonious approach is to regard you as grossly unqualified to comment on that topic.
mircea_popescu: so far you're not doing much to change that.
BingoBoingo suggests a "Russian Woodpecker" in every back yard...
asciilifeform feels mind utterly boggled at this offer of 'help' of the 'have you tried plugging it in' variety.
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asciilifeform: 'hello fellow dog, you must also be a dog for every living thing is a dog; what kind of dog are you'
decimation: I'm a horse
mircea_popescu: a hoarse dog.
decimation: asciilifeform: more evidence that your wot-router idea is needed, at any rate.
BingoBoingo: I'm mange
asciilifeform: decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article.
mircea_popescu: well, in half an hour or whatever
mircea_popescu: anyways, cool to be back to normal.
decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally
mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh.
decimation: he wants to provide us with his own special brand of discipline free of charge
asciilifeform: it's a thing that's been crying to have itself done for a good twenty years.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT
mircea_popescu: heretick!
mircea_popescu: decimation it's still not very reliable, who gets 1-5th of january off.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the poor showling last year.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is convenient because i didn't really feel like writing reports tonight, and asciilifeform still's not sent me his mail, so
mircea_popescu: tomorro is another day!
asciilifeform just got back to his cockpit actually, a few hrs ago
mircea_popescu: mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths.
mircea_popescu: how often has it happened ot you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? <<< no. i was waiting for some kind of logs to surface, but seems nothing.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2015 00:06:29; RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
asciilifeform: where he got this notion - he did not say.
mircea_popescu: " that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late." << so how late is it /
asciilifeform: !up RagnarDanneskjol
BingoBoingo: Well, if captured I am ready to be absolutely worthless.
asciilifeform: 'не стреляйте, я знаю секреты' << from unofficial, unwritten nato phrasebook.
mircea_popescu: anyway, trilema back, which comment or what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent in a comment re: 'ircd' article a few hrs ago.
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mircea_popescu: "The enemy can diddle IP any way he likes," << sure, but that's why salt is there.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the purity of your vision, but i'd rather have this work on current hardware. what else is there ?
asciilifeform: enemy cannot hijack session by spoofing packets, but can get really annoying
mircea_popescu: gimme like a scenario.
mircea_popescu: nope. port just ignores him.
asciilifeform: expends cpu cycles on doing so
asciilifeform: at any rate, no magical hardware needed!
mircea_popescu: providing he finds your ip (which i doubt), you can just switch it too.
mircea_popescu: for that matter i envisage most people using this on multiple ips
asciilifeform: the hello-in-udp-mtu lives happily on existing linux/commonplace archs
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be against this being implemented in udp in any case.
asciilifeform: no need to keep track of ips, and to marry the notion of 'origin address'
mircea_popescu: just, needs an extra engineer.
asciilifeform: the other nice thing re: udp is that a connectionless/stateless protocol frustrates traffic analysis very well.
asciilifeform: in my 'error coding' scheme, the station transmits at all times.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to receive the current pubmessage snapshot can start listening at any point, and will eventually end up with it
mircea_popescu: somebody up svetlana kthx
asciilifeform: after approximately 1.03N bytes for a payload originally length N
asciilifeform: !up svetlana
asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu had to ruin my surprise gift to the fine folks of #b-a. i was gonna roll that thing out with cardano.
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asciilifeform: now one of you lot will end up having to write it!
mircea_popescu: well cuz i didnt know, cuz someone didn't tell me
asciilifeform: from scratch.
mircea_popescu: cuz no mail apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not like surprise
asciilifeform: at any rate, i did bring it up in here on a few occasions. but did append the gotcha, 'not ready for battlefield because little time' - which is presently true
asciilifeform currently failing to load mircea_popescu's site, but believes that somewhere it works
mircea_popescu: ;;isup beh
mircea_popescu: well, it works on MY SYSTEM
asciilifeform: i still want that fpga that evolves to live in one particular floor tile of your cellar.
kakobrekla: it doesnt work.
asciilifeform: when the moon is just waning.
kakobrekla: svetlana here is butthurt and types in wrong (mine) window http://dpaste.com/131FHBZ.txt
kakobrekla: please svetlana if you have anything to say, here instead.
svetlana: I didn't think that discussing non-bitcoin stuff here is very welcome, but if you want me to stop talking with you in /msg I'm fine with that :)
kakobrekla: its very welcome as long as its not nonsense.
BingoBoingo: svetlana: You'd e surprised how infrequent specific BTC talk is here
svetlana: isn't vpn distributed? I'm rather surprised at that reaction
svetlana: I don't expect it to be very easy to attack ...
thestringpuller: cazalla: you around?
cazalla: mebe, no time for pokemon atm though
BingoBoingo: svetlana: Specific VPN's are centralized
cazalla: bit bored of it atm tbh, might take a little break from it and come back to it in a few weeks
svetlana: I'll get someone to write a good guide on the bitcoin wiki (I'm not good at this subject and I found someone who is better)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla asciilifeform slow, but i see it. anyway, eventually derp will run out of juice in an hour or whatever xmas money affords and that's that.
kakobrekla: you think it lizards ?
kakobrekla: svetlana vpn is not much better than a bnc and tor wont fly here.
kakobrekla: whats next, sending people to ircloud ?
BingoBoingo still waits for avians to depose lizards
mircea_popescu: all this emotion talk, surprises, expectations, feelings and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: is it women in tech day or something ?
svetlana: irccloud is pretty central; I'll disappear for a bit, thanks for bearing with me
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log.
BingoBoingo hopes these sutures heal without much of a scar.
assbot: BitStamp Wallet Now Officially "Hacked" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEtgJ6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10624 @ 0.00063471 = 6.7432 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o wow so it was "hacked" eh ?
mircea_popescu: not fractional reserve or anything.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, they claim to be able to over all, but they admit to 18k + "gone"
mircea_popescu: and they can cover 5mn+. through the process of what ?
BingoBoingo: On Coindesk of course. Never on their official site
mircea_popescu: they're not worth 5mn.
mike_c: <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
mike_c: of which it is neither
mircea_popescu: mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing
mircea_popescu: afaik it works fine, but then again how do i know.
mike_c: that is a much bigger problem on the wiki. For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems
mircea_popescu: "A total of 18,867.62695929 BTC were moved from BitStamp's hot wallet"
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm confused.
mike_c: I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is.
mircea_popescu: but wtf is 18k doing in a hot wallet.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's a point.
mike_c: s/comments/complaints/
kakobrekla: the wallet is cold only if its empty, doh.
mircea_popescu: "BitStamp surpassed Mt Gox is trading volume in 2013, largely on the strength of its not being Mt Gox."
mircea_popescu: well... fixed that.
thestringpuller: is qntra down for anyone else?
mircea_popescu: kako sounds so angry in interviews. you gotta relax for teh press man!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller for a selected few.
thestringpuller: ah. dat ddos
kakobrekla: that is taken from forums from years ago?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh i thought it was new. mah bad.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, last June
kakobrekla: forums really pissed me off.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: If you want to write a "Bitstamp always sucked piece" Qntra could run it.
kakobrekla: now that im banned im just depressed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00064132 = 27.705 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: You know desoxyn is a hell of an anti-depressant
mircea_popescu: "the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency."
mircea_popescu: definitely to people without a wot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo stop getting my casino cookie guy hooked on sugars.
kakobrekla: actually not reading chan to be reminded how all sucks helps as well.
BingoBoingo: Even with. With WoT you'd still likely need a more tangible item to trade for that many than $$$$... Prolly Plutonium would do.
mircea_popescu: poor kako. everyone sucks, and then he gets depressed and teh woman offers to suck him...
BingoBoingo: Space ship might barely do.
thestringpuller: Plutonium gives you ball cancer.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Apparently you aren't supposed to use the powder for that.
asciilifeform: lol, emotions!
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
BingoBoingo: So this internet of things... What the fuck is not intuitive enough about how a stove works already.
thestringpuller: Dude i know
thestringpuller: the CEO of the company I'm at keeps using that word all the time
thestringpuller: "We are ready for the internet of things"
thestringpuller: "The internet of things this, and that"
thestringpuller: i hate it more than "The cloud"
asciilifeform: not everyone can afford golden toilet, but anyone can have a throne with ipv6.
asciilifeform: or something like that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: bona fide throne has homo sapien to catch turds with mouth
assbot: Supreme Court justice second-guesses decisive vote in gaming free speech case | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEwMU4 )
decimation: svetlana: why doesn't someone fix the 'problem' with cloaks by re-writing ircd into something sane?
assbot: New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1tExxwi )
asciilifeform: decimation: await the next version, resembling 'iron maiden' ?
cazalla: thestringpuller, didja know even pokemon has cloud storage for pokemans with the pokemon bank
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it has 99% accuracy!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00065173 = 36.8879 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: cazalla: ya. since black and white I thought
cazalla: not the app one you download but the paid monthly service, i thought it was more recent but perhaps i am wrong, i bow to your knowledge as a pokemon master
thestringpuller: lol i'm not pokemone master
thestringpuller: not since 99'
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a fundamental difference between those who use tools and those who make tools.
decimation: what about those who make 'tools'?
mircea_popescu: take a week to work in say a supermarket or something. the helplessness of common postmodern man (well, mostly woman) is impressive.
assbot: 10 220.255.1.101 2 220.255.1.102 1 220.255.1.103 5 220 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tEz7hO )
decimation: interesting, from singapore
mircea_popescu: teh qty of work poured into it is kinda lulzy.
decimation: can you see if it is actually http traffic or is it more pnp reflection?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld << makes me think... most dudes think they know fucking...
mircea_popescu: maybe it should be dildo.
mircea_popescu: decimation no it's http.
mircea_popescu: 220.255.1.101 - - [05/Jan/2015:09:16:48 -0500] "GET etc
BingoBoingo: At this rate actual IPv4 addresses will never be exhausted. too many are simply occupied atm by lusers and spammzors
mircea_popescu: or derps.
mircea_popescu: ipv4 "not being enough" is a sad symptom of letting too many people in.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like "there are not enough places in college for all the kids"
mircea_popescu: backwards.
BingoBoingo: Except now there are too many places in college for the kids, because people dun wanna go no moar.
mircea_popescu: also that.
mircea_popescu: so practical macroeconomics exercise. venezuela, which is in the shitter, quotes the dollar officially at 12 bolivars. meanwhile, black rate is ~170.
mircea_popescu: the govt is considering yielding, and bringing the official bolivar to 50ish.
mircea_popescu: should it do that, what's the likely evolution of the black market rate ?
mircea_popescu: http://cachecdn.cdnhost2000xl.com/tthumbs/2/27145.jpg and a vignette to help the thinking process along.
BingoBoingo: Well, I imagine dilemma isn't too different from my present ability to buy a gallon of gas for $2 because America is dumping its entire oild reserve now to try to fuck Russia in this moment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006564 = 25.6324 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Blowback on the Saudi Border – Senior General Killed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCgjnJ )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Old lead mining town there. Can't expect much brightness there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00066138 = 22.0901 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: !up svetlana
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10281 @ 0.0006555 = 6.7392 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: well hello
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00066186 = 3.2233 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: hello nubbins`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00064031 = 9.6367 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00063731 = 4.493 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation amusingly enough pretty much everyone is selling under production
mircea_popescu: but they're not stopping.
mircea_popescu: now, why that is...
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, there was another ddos bout, but it didn't do anything.
kakobrekla: wai you get all the fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00062519 = 3.0009 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess cause i'm taller ?
kakobrekla: not by that much...
mircea_popescu: maybe it's first past the pole.
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