BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been trying to get my mechanical engineering student brother on the LISP train (dentist brother needs no guidance) and I'm giving my paper copy of land of LISP to degernerate cousin's kids. God bless warez.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/e8df87434035e2eeffcc6f681fb4c04f/tumblr_nfdsamgEc61s6sn46o1_500.jpg <<< tit equality, now a reality!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A0Xls3 )
ben_vulpes: tit's a myth i tell you!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Tits are real. Just wait until mircea_popescu replaces flouride in the water with risperidone
Vexual: as long as it doesn't go into the whiskey
Vexual: mircea_popescu: move on to perl ? < bring me a straw
mircea_popescu: strapperl ? that's happening
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1071 @ 0.00122887 = 1.3161 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8770 @ 0.0012 = 10.524 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC
BingoBoingo: sapPERL
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: have cpan mirror, will tarvel
Vexual: mp: i'd love to run your free drinks, but i see a conflict of interests
Vexual: also theres not many people you'd like down at the local pig and sty
assbot: Liquor Stories - The Pilot Episode - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1svr0Ds )
Vexual: what about a thursday freeroll on seals?
Vexual: same miscreants
Vexual: fluffy, you're awesome
Vexual: heck, i'll even chip in for the prize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16527 @ 0.00061512 = 10.1661 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust HoreaV
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user HoreaV: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=HoreaV | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=HoreaV | Rated since: Mon Apr 28 05:59:47 2014
Naphex: he is going full circle.. getting to -10
BingoBoingo: Fucker.
Naphex: BingoBoingo: maybe after, at the moment i'm still taking in the threats, black mails
Naphex: and such
fluffypony: what threats?
Naphex: but its a damn very interesint life lesson
BingoBoingo: Well, these things happen
Naphex: only takes a prick to burst a bubble
BingoBoingo: Nah, a prick just turns your sister into a stranger's wife. This sounds worse than a prick.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: ;gettrust Vexual
BingoBoingo: So, can anyone else spot what is wrong in this comparison? http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1412060-LI-KFREEBSD879
assbot: Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKKz13 )
assbot: NOTIFICARE IMPORTANTĂ: vă rugăm să va retrageți toate fondurile din BTCXchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyp9i )
Vexual: nope, if the debian snu comp is an ascii style quiz, then i fail
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, jsut compare the hardware specs on the test rigs. Notice anything that doesn't match?
Vexual: no
BingoBoingo: Well, are the processors and storage devices the same?
Vexual: well storage is different, but i don't know the descriptors, so i cant say how
BingoBoingo: Well Note that Debian/kFreeBSD's one truly poor area of performance is Disk operations and their disk ran off of an external enclosure while the Debian/linux SSD ran off of... Sata
Vexual: yeah im no ttoo sure what that means... theres another level to the disk operations?
BingoBoingo: That benchmark was done by the phoronix guy who has pretty much been full Pettering since the pulse audio suck
BingoBoingo: Yeah
Vexual: t what purpose?
BingoBoingo: Drink more, let the groundhog lead you to the truth
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: is it careful about how fast the ssd dies?
Vexual: i can't read italian: ill just have the spaghetti
mircea_popescu: lol such drama
mircea_popescu: lol check out BingoBoingo speaking romanian
Vexual: that was romainian?
Vexual: it'd very like italian
fluffypony: romance languages all come from Italian
mircea_popescu: italian comes from romanian
fluffypony: agh
fluffypony: Latin
fluffypony: can't type
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: they all come from Vulgar Latin
Vexual: alll my favourite bakers pretend to be italian
mircea_popescu: romanian is way more vulgar.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: romanian is so vulgar it turns a prick into a sister's wife.
Vexual: and cake to poo
mircea_popescu: that's a myth.
Vexual: depends where you get it from
mircea_popescu: sperm, blood, piss and vinegar.
Vexual: whaddaya homeick?
Vexual: dealing with red vinegar
Vexual: id say it's very much interchzangeable
Vexual: whats the dollar rate on the street now?
Vexual: and whyz it called blue? is it porno, or people just dont like grey?
Vexual: it's a bit porno isnt it?
Vexual leches
Vexual: ;;seen peted
gribble: I have not seen peted.
Vexual: i forgot to tell him where to trade coin
fluffypony: he changed his nick to peter_abraham_ezekial_dushenkovski
Vexual: yeah, i can't spell it
mircea_popescu: lol
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8590 @ 0.00060423 = 5.1903 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26512 @ 0.0006022 = 15.9655 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: looks like Luke-Jr upset the redditors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00060636 = 16.402 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: cazalla link?
cazalla: front page of /r/bitcoin jurov
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/ prolly this
assbot: Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlqr5s )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28088 @ 0.00058039 = 16.302 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4691 @ 0.000575 = 2.6973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.000575 = 5.06 BTC [-]
cazalla: hosting an early xmas luncheon tmw, my contribution is the best potato salad in ze world, beetroot relish to go with cheeses and rocket dip, the rocket i grow myself
cazalla: of course, i am getting stuck into tmw's booze, tonight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.000575 = 2.0125 BTC [-]
davout: cazalla: you see a potato salad, i see a potential IPO
cazalla: i was gonna open a chicken shop ya know
cazalla: bbq chicken, burgers, salads.. no-one will pay for quality, or not enough people to warrant it and the long hours
davout: slaughtered on order? i'd hit that
mircea_popescu: but then you got high ?
davout: blergh
cazalla: nah, died on the vine
cazalla: davout, no demand for rabbit burger
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/cmwg5an >> 'i can't be bothered to read the notes'
assbot: MagicalBux comments on Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlM1qs )
cazalla: as for chicken shops.. you cannot find a single legitimate charchoal chicken shop anywhere here these days
cazalla: they have all converted to infrared ovens yet persist with advertising themselves as charcoal chicken
cazalla: few ok lebanese chicken shops around but eh.. fkn muslims
mats: why the islamophobia
cazalla: why not?
cazalla: big thing here atm is for leftists to tweet #illridewithyou to show support for muslims in australia on public transport
cazalla: any woman wearing a hajib who is scared for her life can find someone tweeting that to ride on the train safely with, that's the idea anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00058009 = 9.6585 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00057481 = 9.0245 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: o that kind of riding
thestringpuller: cazalla: Luke-Jr strikes again! The power rangers have to burn cash to survive it seems.
mats: i wonder what its like for Luke-Jr to be opposed so strongly by people that share similar political beliefs
mats: anarchist types are rare enough, and this overlap with people that understand the technical aspects of bitcoin are even fewer
thestringpuller: this is where Luke-Jr looks at his logs and says, "You know I can hear what you're saying"
mats: bend the knee already. you know you're wrong.
thestringpuller: no one wants to abdicate their imaginary throne.
mats: maybe its more insidious than we know, what if he was caught selling methamphetamine on the side when he was broke and is now enslaved by an agent?
mats: perhaps i'm giving him too much credit but i get the impression he's an intelligent guy and knows hes doing dumb shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00057994 = 13.7446 BTC [+]
mats: i am of course talking about #b-a's opposition to him, not wutever redditards
thestringpuller: Perhaps this can be said of Gavin, hence tell tale signs of his comromisation.
thestringpuller: compromisation*
thestringpuller: the other power rangers I do not know. But jgarzik definitely publicly stated he'd like to see a GPG-like implementation in pure JS, which is mind boggling for a supposed intelligent person to say.
mats: are you in the bay now thestringpuller? i read something about vmware earlier
davout: thestringpuller: there's nothing wrong in itself with js, its using it in a browser that sounds a bit weird
thestringpuller: davout: exactly!
thestringpuller: do you really trust Chrome or Firefox to store your MPEx GPG key?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00057471 = 2.9885 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mats: AirWatch, which is owned by VMWare.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2328 @ 0.00057994 = 1.3501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1666 @ 0.0012 = 1.9992 BTC
mats: ah, cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.0005834 = 11.0263 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.0005831 = 8.3966 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up soypirate
asciilifeform: speaking of ru central bank >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/can-anybody-find-me-central-banker-to.html
assbot: ClubOrlov: Can anybody find me... a central banker to love? ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXEJgQ )
jurov amusingly notices the hate on python and waits for google to eventually, but inevitably release incompatible go update
asciilifeform: it is why single-vendor (how else) 'implementation as standard' is fundamentally retarded.
BingoBoingo: Symbolics LISP is an incompatible upate from Brick LISP
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-dated the ansi standard effort
BingoBoingo: Sure. Baudot predated ansi text standards too.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there were other interesting lisps of the period - xerox's 'interlisp' (and its environment) being perhaps the most noteworthy
asciilifeform: interestingly, there is a xerox lisp machine emulator for msdos, of all things, 'medley.' i have never located a copy.
BingoBoingo: If only Xerox had enough crazy to venture beyond the paper business with any conviction.
asciilifeform: xerox parc did exist.
asciilifeform: went to the same hell as bell labs.
asciilifeform: quite arguably, both were largesse of monopolists, and died with the monopolies.
BingoBoingo: Well many small towns maintain libraries gifted in another act of monopolist largesse, but similarly the handling of those gifts has decayed in a cargo-cult manner.
asciilifeform: i'm told they threw out the books in many places, in favour of rows upon rows of winblows terminals, public 3d printer stalls, etc.
BingoBoingo: They have, but even before then were decaying as books were replaced by crappy fascimiles of books.
BingoBoingo: Not Xerox copies, but bad faith imitators of the book form.
BingoBoingo: Xerox copies of worn actual books would have been fine. Many "special collections" departments do that for actual papers of interest.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00059043 = 15.115 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'While most regular Russians go to Sberbank to pay their utility bills and municipal fees, a few highly irregular Russians (and a few foreigners among them) go to Sberbank to sit in posh offices in front of trading terminals and gamble away the regular Russians' savings. The regular Russians are rather upset about this state of affairs, and 70% of them state in opinion polls that they consider currency manipulation to be a cri
asciilifeform: me and want the criminals stopped and punished.' (mr. o)
BingoBoingo: It's hard to think much of a library that would have as part of its collection and the like ISBN-13: 978-0672313004
asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 24 fortnights!'
BingoBoingo: Handle Turd studio X15, Chapter 9, Turdthenware
BingoBoingo: Bowl and mugs
asciilifeform pays very, very dearly for access to proper library
asciilifeform: though sc4mz0rs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2014#952756
assbot: Logged on 13-12-2014 22:32:17; asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money
BingoBoingo: It might be time to audit the art classes.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform the painter
BingoBoingo was suspecting more along the lines of metalworking.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo probably knows that a full-scale university in usa does not normally have useful courses like metalwork.
asciilifeform: déclassé.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Many actually have a perverted version. Lives in Art department.
BingoBoingo: Focus on 18th century state of the art casting and blacksmithing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they'll cover basic welding, yes. art school here even has own scrapyard.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21905 @ 0.00060117 = 13.1686 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28695 @ 0.00061354 = 17.6055 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: at any rate, the game is not worth the candles at roughly 8k usd/yr. for buying access to e-journals in this way.
BingoBoingo: There's got to be single credit hour courses somewhere to audit.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'mandatory fees'
BingoBoingo: Ah, they don't pro-rate for part time?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: when i look for a specific archival piece, i have contacts who can get it. just takes time. the point of full access is: idle browsing.
BingoBoingo: Yes.
mats: aren't there handheld scanners that'd resolve this for you?
asciilifeform: mats: we're discussing e-journals
asciilifeform: mats: my university no longer gets paper copies of journals.
mats: bummer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The probably do get some. Just not for the subjects that interest.
BingoBoingo: And not for the general library
asciilifeform: interestingly, spy cameras are no longer necessary there. they've installed public 'face-up' scanners that go straight from dead tree to jpeg on usb drive, gratis
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they had paper journals as recently as two years ago. but now zapped.
asciilifeform: i'm told that scarcely anyone read them in dead tree.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even in the medical and law libraries?
asciilifeform: we've neither on this campus
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/dying-media-company-seeks-lifeline-with-bitcoin/
mats: it scoops
BingoBoingo: Indeed
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
gribble: 72.5295
mats: it moves
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfwlW )
BingoBoingo: Ah, firewire. Another example of a toy standard accidentaly'ing its way to "professional" standard.
mats: mindshare has other cool things about AGP, PCI, PCIe, USB, SATA, ...
BingoBoingo: Ah
mats: i tried to find docs on Thunderbolt on the internets but after comparing notes with other people, they're still under NDA
thestringpuller: what's that new port they are putting in laptops...
thestringpuller: ;;google thunderbolt
gribble: Thunderbolt Technology Community: <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/>; Apple - Thunderbolt: Next-generation high-speed I/O technology.: <https://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/>; Thunderbolt (interface) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
mats: p sure thats it
thestringpuller: i thought it was neat that it's essentially an external PCIe slot
thestringpuller: waiting for the day they start selling external gpu's for laptops
mats: the thoroughput is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: i would hope so if it claims to be a PCIe port
mats: iirc you can push to two 5k displays
thestringpuller: yea
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/12/15/nasas-349-million-monument-to-its-drift/
assbot: NASA’s $349 million monument to its drift | The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmJbl7 )
thestringpuller: danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT.
thestringpuller: Connecticutians unite!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23129 @ 0.00061482 = 14.2202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00059642 = 3.1014 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so boys and girls, i will be taking a vacation
mircea_popescu: prolly see each other again sporadically until 2015
mircea_popescu: so merry xmas and a happy new year!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4000 @ 0.0012 = 4.8 BTC
mike_c: happy holidays
BingoBoingo: Alright, time to generate some serious logs!
mircea_popescu: tyty
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is lying.
thestringpuller: he's always on vacation
thestringpuller: i think the term is `retirement`
BingoBoingo: I thought he had to chase all of those topless servers yesterday
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BingoBoingo: !s parachute
assbot: 87 results for 'parachute' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=parachute
[]bot: Bet created: "Russian Ruble to rally to 50 RUB or less per USD before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1085/
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/spanish-cybersquat-raided-in-counter-terrorism-operation/
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4061977 << Might as well try this again.
assbot: Spanish CyberSquat Raided in "Counter-Terror" Operation - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vW8N27 )
BingoBoingo: Appear qntra has the English language scoop
assbot: In any disagreement between reality and belief, reality always wins. http://t.co/M9awfudAD1 /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /Dawn_Kopecki
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i was born in hartford, so it's always gonna be "home" to me on some level.
thestringpuller: I lived in Windsor until I was 2 then we moved away.
thestringpuller: i yearn for the day I can return
mthreat: Pepe's pizza!
assbot: Network Filter: SECURITY : OPENBSD VS FREEBSD ... ( http://bit.ly/1vWc3KR )
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: new haven has some of the best pizza ever
thestringpuller: new england in general has great pizza
thestringpuller: now i'm hungry for wilsons pizza...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00060271 = 15.1883 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up nezZario
BingoBoingo: !up [KS]
BingoBoingo: !up tryphe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00061305 = 11.5866 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6224 @ 0.00061794 = 3.8461 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 860 @ 0.0012 = 1.032 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20179 @ 0.00061124 = 12.3342 BTC [-]
Luke-Jr: mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: You are a needle inside of a haystack, inside of another haystack full of needles
jurov: Luke-Jr: i really don't know how many people think maintaining blacklists like you do is a good idea
jurov: prolly not many
Luke-Jr: heck, even I wish there was a better solution
BingoBoingo: When Dogecoin a thing, pointing idiots in that direction was a great solution.
Luke-Jr: it died?
mats: there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution to something that doesn't exist and doesn't matter
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt6nge )
Luke-Jr: mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no problem, doesn't help anyone
Luke-Jr: that non-argument is getting old
mats: explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain'
Luke-Jr: mats: lol, seriously?
Luke-Jr: mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?
mats: so?
Luke-Jr: so that's a lot of people who no longer run a full bitcoin node
Luke-Jr: and it will keep growing
Luke-Jr: until only big banks can run Bitcoin
mike_c: if 30gb is a blocker how long would they have run a node anyway?
mats: lol.
xanthyos: WHOAS
mats: whats the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD?
mike_c: ;;calc 150/4000
gribble: 0.0375
mike_c: ^ per gb.
Luke-Jr: yes, let's pretend storage is the bottleneck so we can make it seem trivial.
mats: this is not a problem, and won't be a problem for as long as the block size remains the same.
Luke-Jr: sit in #bitcoin for a few days
mats: storage isn't the bottleneck, and it isn't the concern that's keeping anyone from operating a full node
Luke-Jr: and watch how many people give up on running a Bitcoin node because it takes so long to sync initially
mats: the concerns of idiots are not the concerns of people whose opinions matter
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2phhuq/cybersquat_associated_with_darkwallet_raided_in/cmwr82b
assbot: dunand comments on Cybersquat Associated with DarkWallet Raided in Spain ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt76y3 )
mats: if something as inconsequential as time to sync keeps people from operating a full node
mats: wait til they realize how annoying it is to maintain the node for years
mats: you'd do better to work on something that matters, like incentives to operate a node
mats: ...and relays
jurov: i'm running bitcoind fine on $100 minitx mobo with spinning rust hdd.. and it sems to have enough capacity for next 5 years
jurov: but Luke-Jr insists on pretending there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip
jurov: i really don't get the whining
jurov: "it doesn't fit in my free vps anymore bleeeee".. stfu freeloaders
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BingoBoingo: !b 2
BingoBoingo: !up soypirate
mats: well there you have it.
Luke-Jr: it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod
Luke-Jr: frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced to process spam
mats: ill add this to the list of irrational things you believe in
Luke-Jr: rational*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3260 @ 0.0012268 = 3.9994 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone? that's phenomenally retarded.
Luke-Jr: which is exactly why it's a good fit for this channel
fluffypony: fits on my iPhone
fluffypony: can't help you if you're poor, although there's always SPV clients for people like you
mats: there are 128gb sd cards, in the interest of humoring this discussion
fluffypony: yeah, and I have a bunch of 64gb microSD cards
mats: but yes. be less poor.
fluffypony: I use them on my GoPro H4's just fine
ben_vulpes: how exactly do these blacklists work? if a miner processes a transaction with a "banned" address - what then?
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in the spam
Luke-Jr: if a miner mines it, you have to validate it obviously
ben_vulpes: just doesn't relay the transaction?
ben_vulpes: why not put that in bitcoin.conf, eh?
Luke-Jr: right
ben_vulpes: instead of the code?
Luke-Jr: more effort
ben_vulpes: lol
Luke-Jr: also less efficient
ben_vulpes: "it's too hard to do things correctly, so i'm just going to ram my idiocy into the codebase"
ben_vulpes: "less efficient" << hm?
Luke-Jr: you'll note I never proposed it for mainline
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: less efficient because suddenly you have to parse it out and such
Luke-Jr: I guess you could build the array at startup, but it's not really much easier to modify bitcoin.conf than to modify the patch
Luke-Jr: keep in mind Gentoo users are compiling it anyway
Luke-Jr: it's not some binary
Luke-Jr: so they can just modify the patch and drop it in /etc
Luke-Jr: if they want to customise it
ben_vulpes: "it's easier to hard code configuration into the source than read it as configuration at runtime"
ben_vulpes: no shit, sherlock.
ben_vulpes: this attitude has lead to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into the mainline client.
Luke-Jr: out of curiousity, what is "lock configuration"?
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years time he's going to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so that the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.
fluffypony: maybe just randomly culling old blocks will be something he'll innovate
undata: why does bitcoin have to be on his smartwatch
fluffypony: undata: to quote the man of the hour - "[21:40:47] <+Luke-Jr>it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod"
fluffypony: stop being insensitive, undata
fluffypony: you clod
assbot: bitcoin/db.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAZZnU )
undata: personally there's not a smart-watch manufacturer out there whose OS security I'd trust with my coin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: and how do you get by thinking I have anything to do with that?
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ben_vulpes: $ cd bitcoin
ben_vulpes: $ cd src
ben_vulpes: $ git blame db.cpp | grep locks
ben_vulpes: 148e107d src/db.cpp (Luke Dashjr 2012-05-22 19:51:13 +0000 125) dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000);
ben_vulpes: $ git show 148e107d
ben_vulpes: oh is that just the mock?
Luke-Jr: …
undata: ;;rate -1 Luke-Jr hardcoding config, that's a paddlin
gribble: Error: 'Luke-Jr' is not a valid integer.
undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -1 hardcoding config, that's a paddlin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Luke-Jr has been recorded.
davout: lol Luke-Jr how are you? and what are you doing here?
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thestringpuller: !b 1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Luke-Jr: davout: observing trolls, it seems
davout: by "trolls" you mean "heretics" ?
Luke-Jr: davout: no, they aren't even heretics
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2014#954794 << difficult to tell, not knowing what exactly they are
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 19:04:39; Luke-Jr: mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?
Luke-Jr: Adlai: I favour absolute monarchy and small government.
Adlai: how do you choose monarchs?
Adlai: plural, because they will likely get assasinated, by disgruntled humans or ebola
Luke-Jr: Adlai: bootstrapping is a serious problem, I don't know how you'd come up with a reasonable "first monarch" especially today
thestringpuller: Adlai: I thought monarchs were chosen by the gods
Luke-Jr: Adlai: once it's going, though, the current monarch should be qualified to pick/raise his successor
thestringpuller: wait that was pharoah
undata: this reasoning by metaphor thing "it's spam! why? uh... because I don't want it!" is idiotic
Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor? how can they tell whether their trusted advisor is more worthy than their firstborn, or sift through private sector candidates?
undata: and it's an excuse to create some central maintainer of blacklists
undata: danielpbarron: righto
Adlai: let's leave blacklists out of the discussion, there's enough room for that on reddit
Luke-Jr: undata: attack straw-men all you like
undata: Luke-Jr: it subverts the very *idea* of bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: Adlai: it's not a matter of worthiness, it's a matter of competence.
Luke-Jr: undata: not in the slightest.
Luke-Jr: undata: but I guess you might think so, if you believe the trolls claims
undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -3 cannot discern dissent from trolling
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Luke-Jr has changed from -1 to -3.
Luke-Jr: misrepresenting the truth (aka lying) is a tell-tale sign of trolling
Luke-Jr: not dissent
Adlai: Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent, and find a better replacement?
Adlai is genuinely curious and has very few opinions on the matter
Luke-Jr: Adlai: in the rare case of a bad monarch, the pope can depose him
Adlai: it's quite interesting to watch people choose leaders
Adlai: well, the pope seems a bit busy these days to be dealing with monarchs
Adlai: although I must say that his PR people are doing an excellent job
undata: and if the pope is bad, the meta-pope will depose him
undata: god help us if we need a meta-meta-pope though.
Luke-Jr: Adlai: there hasn't been a pope in 60 years, don't let the fraud controlling the Vatican deceive you
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Adlai doesn't follow papal news well enough to discernr
Adlai: !up Vexual
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Adlai: I'm just curious at what point one person decides that the mere word of another person is gospel
Luke-Jr: sec phone
Adlai: I'm not sure you get punished for having been deceived
Adlai: assuming that, had the deception not occurred, you'd have bene OK
Adlai: so a sufficiently effective deception can cause a perfectly "good" person to get punished?
Luke-Jr: undata: if the pope is bad at the same time as a monarch goes bad, God help us
undata: Luke-Jr: *guillotines help us
Adlai: and if God is bad too, let's just hope satoshi returns
Adlai hasn't discussed theology in a long time, and it's usually with jews
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no Catholic churches today follow the antipopes; those who do follow the antipopes and attend his churches are at risk of being damned, yes (though as Adlai infers, their culpability depends)
Adlai: last time I met a christian irl was almost 6 years ago
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: Christians have a responsibility to learn the Faith, and are guilty if deceived by their own neglegence
davout: Luke-Jr: what's a "real" pope?
Adlai: how do you distinguish between a real pope and a fraud?
Adlai: maybe the vatican has been a fraud for more than 60 years
Luke-Jr: davout: one who is Catholic and properly elected
Luke-Jr: Adlai: well, you know someone ineligible cannot be a pope, at least
Adlai: have you personally verified the burned ballots of each cardinal?
Adlai is not well-versed in the eligibility of the last few [anti]popes
Luke-Jr: Adlai: the become pope, one must first be a Catholic; the antipopes in Rome aren't Catholic
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr i think you need to shut the fuck up about this god delusion you keep having
Adlai thinks people who think they aren't deluded need to be a bit more diplomatic about their opinions
Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you?
undata: one isn't called to entertain every form of idiocy on equal terms
davout: Luke-Jr: how is the current "anti-pope" not catholic?
kakobrekla: Adlai and be more political and more pretending too
Luke-Jr: Vexual: all heretical antipopes "annoy" me
Luke-Jr: davout: he denies Catholicism
davout: Luke-Jr: at what point does your interpretation of catholicism differ from his?
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davout: !b 1
Adlai: kakobrekla: i don't think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case there's any doubt, i also think that there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult
Adlai: thx davout
Adlai: :P
kakobrekla: Adlai you cant converse about nontopic
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: And don't forget more cookies http://www.mybestdaysever.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_4364.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16q17Rg )
Adlai: oh it got danielpbarron
davout: Adlai: that was the point actually
Adlai: /topic
Luke-Jr: davout: many points, by now; their key heresy is called Modernism - the belief that doctrine changes over time http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10415a.htm
assbot: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Modernism ... ( http://bit.ly/16q1bjT )
Luke-Jr: (using that heresy, they then proceed to deny other doctrines easily)
BingoBoingo: Come on Guys, there hasn't been a Pope since Brutus stabbed Kaiser
Adlai: there hasn't been rock since jesus built his church on it
Luke-Jr: http://www.cmri.org/02-v2decrees.html contrasts some of the Modernists' core heresies with the Church's teaching
assbot: Decrees of Vatican II Compared with Past Infallible Church Teaching ... ( http://bit.ly/16q1drZ )
Vexual: Pretty clothes and incence, yep, it's catholic
Adlai: but at the end of the day, we are just humans interpreting the words of other humans
jborkl: Luke, how do you understand math and science, yet still hold onto these beliefs? I really do not understand how that happens
Luke-Jr: Adlai: not really
Adlai: some of those are written, some of those were made up yesterday; but the situation is still the same
Luke-Jr: jborkl: science led me to these beliefs
kakobrekla: jborkl lack of oxygen in the first couple of minutes of birth does that.
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
BingoBoingo: Since MP is on vacation all of the cookies for kakobrekla http://thecraftingfoodie.com/images/old/6a014e8748a9fb970d019aff7aae92970b-pi.jpg
kakobrekla: lol ty.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, my missus makes things like that
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Probably because they are delicious
adlai: Luke-Jr: my issue with anti-modernism is that we only really know what's modern. anybody who tells you that something isn't modern, and is the original doctrine, could just have made that up yesterday (or N years ago), and been fooling everybody ever since
Luke-Jr: adlai: modernism does not mean "modern"
Luke-Jr: adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts to change doctrine; one couldn't do that unnoticed
adlai: so, you're trusting the people involved in catholicism AT EVERY POINT IN TIME to not have changed it
Luke-Jr: anyhow, the modernist antipopes can be cited as using the heresy modernism to justify their other heresies
adlai: who knows wtf happened in the 13th century during a famine
Luke-Jr: adlai: none could have changed it, that's my point
Luke-Jr: adlai: you're also ignoring divine providence - God wouldn't allow any such an attempt to succeed
BingoBoingo: Anyways the legit Catholic Church historically is the Cyproit church.
Luke-Jr: adlai: (and if you assume God is fake, then there's no basis for caring about Catholicism, so that's not really an argument)
adlai: why wouldn't he, as a test, to guage how many people are suckers, and will believe what people say from under a fancy hat or behind a pulpit?
BingoBoingo: !up brussels
adlai has no assumptions about God, maybe we should define that concept first...
Luke-Jr: adlai: God has many times allowed heretics to gain power - but He promised that His Church would prevail
Luke-Jr: adlai: during the Arian crisis, there was only a few bishops who remained Catholic
Luke-Jr: yet in the end, the Church survived
fluffypony: [22:59:44] <+Adlai>Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch <- well humanity sure as fuck didn't choose Luke-Jr to be the Bitcoin monarch.
Luke-Jr: fluffypony: nor did I ever claim to be one
fluffypony: so brave, Luke-Jr
fluffypony: so brave
asciilifeform: !up diametric
diametric: yay i can join in the games now
Luke-Jr: lol
Luke-Jr ponders if he can continue this from the car
diametric: so first, as a former gentoo dev, Luke-Jr go fuck yourself.
fluffypony: diametric: I love you already
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adlai: that can probably be continued from the car
Luke-Jr: diametric: no u
adlai: Luke-Jr: i'm interested to hear how "science led me to these beliefs"
Luke-Jr wonders what kind of former Gentoo dev hates USE flags
adlai: probably the kind that doesn't like when patch names aren't consistent across package versions :)
Luke-Jr: adlai: basically I easily refuted many false religions, then found I couldn't do the same for Catholicism
Luke-Jr: definitely can't do that justice, much less from the car, though LOL
BingoBoingo: Science lead dank to living out of a storage unit...
Luke-Jr: adlai: patch names?
asciilifeform: picture if you had to set USE="-cyanide" or everything you put in your mouth will be cyanide-enabled by default, and no one will see it fit to warn you.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: except in this case, it's actually a good thing and not cyanide, and you get a clear warning before you install it
BingoBoingo: Good to who?
BingoBoingo: Your phone?
Luke-Jr: the only reason a rational person would disable it, is if they wanted to harm Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: so far you have failed to make a case why your turd is a sausage and we should in fact be eating with relish.
adlai: Luke-Jr: the names of use flags. the latest hubbub seems to be people complaining about the change from "ljr" to "extra"
Luke-Jr: adlai: I changed it back, since there does seem to be preference for "ljr" now and the reason makes sense.
adlai: (in addition to all of the last hubbub)
Luke-Jr: adlai: I had only changed it to "extras" on request from someone in the previous thread
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: I said nothing of the sort.
adlai: lololol
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no, just stamping out your strawman
fluffypony: Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: your argument is like saying "cyanide is bad, so I shouldn't consume vegetables"
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: 'spam' debate aside - how do you intend to filter the dice txes when the dicemeisters let go of the idiocy of reusing addrs ?
adlai: it's funny how quickly people assume that all foes are agents of one arch-nemesis, when really just... shit happens. nature is not your friend. etc
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: no idea, maybe impossible then
adlai: fluffypony: well, Luke-Jr just said recently that the [current] vatican is no longer an authority on catholicism
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: so surrender now. if your mod had any traction at all, the victims would escape within seconds.
fluffypony: adlai: lol
fluffypony: adlai: hate the player not the game, and all that
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: why? as long as it's easy to filter spam, might as well
adlai: fluffypony: hate leads to the usg side of the force. just play, have fun, go home, hope you don't get mugged on the way.
fluffypony: it must suck to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have the intelligence to be introspective enough to see it within yourself and change for the better
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: i dare guess that much of the hostility to your 'spam filter' mod comes from the expectation that it is a 'camel's nose in the tent' for a dynamic, centrally-controlled censor mechanism. because anything short of that would simply dissipate like a fart in the wind in the face of any kind of organized resistence whatsoever.
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adlai wonders whether it's helpful to look at the potential attacks on bitcoin as spam to be censored... or as a challenge to be accepted
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: even if we all despised the dice men as much as you did, named filter is still monumentally stupid;
asciilifeform: ;;google enumerating badness
gribble: The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security: <http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/>; Enumerating Badness: The latest way Facebook conspires to ...: <http://www.oxy.edu/information-resources/blog/enumerating-badness-latest-way-facebook-conspires-destroy-you>; The Six Dumbest Ideas in Computer Security.pdf: (1 more message)
adlai: ie, why is the debate about blacklists, and not scalability
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I fear with your efforts you're trying to teach a mentally challenged child how to interpret Chaucer...
asciilifeform: adlai: conv was about blacklists because an infamous fool who pushes blacklists logged on and started crapping into #b-a
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: that would make sense; people seem to assume something monumentally stupid is worthless, but in practice it isn't.
adlai: asciilifeform: well yes, this comment was aimed more at Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: adlai: because the "debate" is run by trolls; the sane people have mostly been supportive once they learn what it's actually about
BingoBoingo: !s war has interest in you
assbot: 1 results for 'war has interest in you' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+has+interest+in+you
mats: the mental gymnastics involved here are very revealing
adlai: but the debate (no quotes needed, it's very real, otherwise you wouldn't be engaging it) is also a great waste of your energy
adlai: you. personally. Luke-Jr. are wasting energy on this.
BingoBoingo: !s you may not be interested in war
assbot: 5 results for 'you may not be interested in war' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+may+not+be+interested+in+war
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: let's suppose that we agreed with your 'blockchain environmentalism' philosophy, and wished to expell the dice men. say they start to switch addrs daily. what will you propose as a counter-attack?
fluffypony: adlai: you should ask him how far his Tonal Bitcoin efforts went
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: don't lie and say that it won't be a remote-updated kill list. because that's the only answer - other than surrender.
adlai: Luke-Jr: even if you succeed, you have admitted yourself that there are rather trivial ways for the entities you're trying to filter, to sidestep your filters
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: no
Luke-Jr: adlai: yes, there is - but they haven't done it yet
Luke-Jr: adlai: for me, part of this isn't so much the spam filtering, as much as it is trying to combat monoculture
adlai: the arms race having not yet picked up speed is not exactly an invitation to speed it up
Luke-Jr: adlai: node operators are just outsourcing their decision-making to a central group of developers
Luke-Jr: this is a problem
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: so you'll surrender if opponent so much as lifts a finger in opposition? or do you have some 'round two' answer that doesn't involve centrally-controlled zap lists.
adlai: that's true
BingoBoingo: Better places to fight monoculture.
adlai: Luke-Jr: why not make a patch that lets people dynamically enter filters into a running, compiled, program?
adlai: preferably through the QT interface because then I never have to know it exists
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: there is a more long-term solution that would help the current case AND your proposed daily-changed-addresses case, which once implemented, I do plan to propose for mainlining
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: but it does not involve any central lists
adlai: this doesn't need to be hardcoded precompilation
adlai: just let each running node choose [whether to, and] whom to filter
Luke-Jr: adlai: they already do - but it's "hardcoded" because that's simpler
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: say what it is, then
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Is this the "filter all address reuse" idea
Luke-Jr: adlai: any Gentoo user can customise the list easily
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: essentially, yes
Luke-Jr: brb, moving to car
diametric: jesus taking the wheel while you chat?
BingoBoingo: That broken thing.
fluffypony: lol
adlai: if a human can carry on a conversation while driving, then the social stigma against that conversation being digital is a failure of technology alone
BingoBoingo: I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation while driving.
adlai: also "[adlai's dad] is one of the best drunk drivers I know" - one of his friends
Luke-Jr: diametric: wife is driving
adlai: BingoBoingo: I'm not sure a given homo "sapien" at random can carry on a conversation, period :P
adlai: (sapiens, sapientis...)
kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation. < fixd
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: it isnt inherently broken
adlai: "im not sure random ppl can tlk rite" < moar fixd
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Address reuse in certain cases has great privacy benefits.
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: ⁈
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Services that reuse addresses across multiple customers help to conceal which customer funds are going in of and out of the service http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/
assbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1sxK7Nt )
asciilifeform: reusing addrs may stengthen anonymity but increases your Luke-Jrability.
kakobrekla: idk why are you all still wasting time with someone who digs jesus. it sez on his forehead, 'idiot, can not be reasoned with'.
Luke-Jr: lolwut
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sounds like if mainlined would be an occassion to go shopping for wagon wheels
Luke-Jr: anyhw no links for no
Luke-Jr: now
BingoBoingo: !up Elio19
davout: kakobrekla: something like this
Elio19: thanks
BingoBoingo: What brings you around here?
mats: i apologize for making this a topic of discussion
davout: kakobrekla: there are degrees in catholisrry tho
Luke-Jr: tbs, if thats MPs blog, I doubt it says anything sane
Elio19: BingoBoingo, im on vacation
BingoBoingo: Ah
mats: TSLA plunges below 200
BingoBoingo: First people leave here on vacation, and now people come here on vacation.
BingoBoingo: !up diametric
kakobrekla: davout sure, theres idiots who can tie shoes and theres idiots who cant.
diametric: BingoBoingo: thank you for enabling my laziness
BingoBoingo: It's just about naptime you your enablement is going to be hampered next time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You may interpret wagon wheel purchase however you like. I'll decline to offer the use case for such a versatile tool at the moment.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i only know of two uses - wagon, and breaking-on.
adlai: BingoBoingo: the argument in that blog post kinda assumes you can't distinguish between inputs from the same address
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen them just sitting and littering a yard. That's a use.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Sure, if only one service does that. If common though confounds assumption of 1 identity 1 address
Luke-Jr: adlai: inputs arent even from addresses…
adlai: there's the example of several customer transactions to several business addresses, and several customer transactions to one business address; in both examples, you can see which customer funds have been spent where, and which haven't been touched.
adlai: in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used
adlai is still far from sold on this whole address-reuse-helps-privacy thing
adlai: seems more like address-reuse-enables-lazyness
davout: i don't think address reuse enhances privacy either
adlai: all information deducible from one transaction graph is deducible from the other, and using unique addresses means that unspent transactions aren't [yet] linked to the business
adlai: /rant
adlai: /dogwalk
adlai: actually it's just beginning so an end tag is inappropriate. this is why XML is bad, kids.
mats: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.2, Best ask: 322.768, Bid-ask spread: 1.56800, Last trade: 322.769, 24 hour volume: 7915.53133, 24 hour low: 320.0, 24 hour high: 340.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.0
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
gribble: 69.685
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25682 @ 0.00062091 = 15.9462 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up paxtoncamaro91
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00060869 = 8.1869 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00060209 = 5.3989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00062249 = 6.6918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17625 @ 0.00061369 = 10.8163 BTC [-] {4}
mats: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/17/sydney-siege-abbott-refuses-to-blame-islam-for-man-haron-moniss-actions?CMP=soc_567
assbot: Sydney siege: Abbott refuses to blame Islam for Man Haron Monis's actions | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/13vUtaK )
mats: what a dummy
mats: the IRA and its motivations are separatist and political in nature
mats: unlike the war islam is waging on the rest of the world, on the express command of the prophet
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 334641 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 14 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39500152683.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.26806
kakobrekla: -1.26, i wonder if this accounts for the general shit quality of miner hw
mike_c: kakobrekla, you going to ba in april?
kakobrekla: no, i dont think so.
mike_c: aww. it's a new stamp on the passport!
mike_c: i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too
kakobrekla: well that seems to be the case round the globe
mike_c: well, hopefully there will be a rally soon and you change your mind.
kakobrekla: lol i dont mind the rally but has nothing to do with it :)
mike_c: the long flight? rotten company?
kakobrekla: 3 days is kinda short isnt it
mike_c: but that's just the time the rest of us will be there.
mats: kako hates you
mike_c: you should come! it'll be fun.
mike_c: i think he hates travelling.
kakobrekla: yes.
kakobrekla: i dont leave the house if i dont have to.
punkman: backup with deduplication and gpg encryption http://obnam.org
assbot: Obnam - backup program ... ( http://bit.ly/137cE5L )
kakobrekla: i also hate people.
kakobrekla: ask ascii, we high fived over it.
mike_c: so you're saying you'll go if ascii goes.
mike_c: ok
kakobrekla: lol not fair.
kakobrekla: he must go to show off the rng or smth? :)
mike_c: hehe
mike_c: he better not show up with the same thing as last year
kakobrekla: so im safe.
mats: if it even exists by march
kakobrekla: the idea it it wont, so he wont and i wont.
kakobrekla: is*
mats: gonna miss this xmas deadline :( this 0.35btc has been burning a hole in my wallet
kakobrekla: i can dispose of that for a modest fee
kakobrekla: if its really hurtin that much
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform definitely not showing up with same gadget as last year
decimation: asciilifeform: re: useful classes < at purdue they had welding, but it was always completely booked
asciilifeform: unsurprising
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asciilifeform: http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells
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decimation: asciilifeform: lol
decimation: the new hotness is 'archbsd'
BingoBoingo: Very hard for a person to quit heroin, but easy for heroin to quit person!
decimation: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform is at this moment roto-rooting out gnome tendrils from an openbsd box
gabriel_laddel: <asciilifeform> http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2008/01/03/goodbye-openbsd << vintage whine re: dependency hells << infinite hitpoits, see UNIX haters handbook. (This isn't directed at ascii, but rather n00bs who have not read it.)
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asciilifeform: 'dbus-daemon', 'dbus-launch', 'gconfd', etc
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decimation: I can't keep the kde and gnome stuff straight
asciilifeform: decimation: generally, kde crud won't be on your box unless you actually use kde
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm rather curious as to why you're fixing (for some value of that word - more akin to fixing up a corpse before burial, w/e) up a openbsd box when you've got your own gentoo 'fork'?
asciilifeform: decimation: gnome tendrils get pulled in by virtually every popular xorg app
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: good question. answer: machine is a 'toshiba libretto' 233mhz, 64m ram.
decimation: asciilifeform: every time I install rhel6 I have to spend 10 minutes de-poettering and de-gnoming it
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: no reasonably-recent linux variant will run on it with reasonable performance.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the never ending quest for a bed-ready computer?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you guessed it.
asciilifeform: that 'toshiba' was as close as i ever got to perfect.
mats: looks like an oversized nintendo ds
asciilifeform: i have no idea what that is.
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mats: a handheld gaming console
asciilifeform: guessed as much
mats: its fast approaching ten years of life, im surprised you don't know of it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: btw, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6328002/emacs-buffer-allocation-using-mmap
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asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/9anivva << machine in question
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gabriel_laddel: !s doesn't do this for some perverse reason
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gabriel_laddel: this is the thread I was following up on http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-11-2014#930233
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2014 01:14:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: text editor experiment << when you build 'emacs', you can select 'use mmap for buffers' as a compile flag.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall this
asciilifeform: perhaps it wasn't a flag, but had to actually diddle the src.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: if you've information contradicting the stackoverflow question in question please say so. I'm in the middle of building a non-retarted linux distribution and would like to have Emacs as battle ready as possible by default.
gabriel_laddel: *retarded
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm afraid not. you will have to investigate personally. i built my emacs some years ago, and thoroughly forgot.
asciilifeform: 'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, is there anything you consider absolutely essential for computing outside of CL+SLIME?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: would you believe, 'midnight commander.'
asciilifeform: but it's definitely an acquired taste.
asciilifeform: i own computers that do not run emacs,slime,cl.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: does midnight commander have anything over dired?
asciilifeform: but none (discussion limited to modern-ish hardware, rather than collectables) that don't have mc.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: plenty of things.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: will, for example, traverse most known (and, with minor fiddling, unknown) types of archive as if they were dirs
asciilifeform: basic operations mapped to 'f' keys, just like in the ancient 'norton commander' it was originally a clone of
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: kk, added to "the list"
asciilifeform: i've had the keys in muscle memory since i was 6 y.o. or so
asciilifeform: so can't speak for other folks. but several people i've exposed to it are now habitual users.
decimation: asciilifeform: you don't compile the latest emacs 24?
asciilifeform: did, on one box, but with no serious modifications
asciilifeform: generally i never notice anything about new emacs except that one or more of my many elisps pointlessly breaks
decimation: I have been using org-mode to keep track of things, it's okay
decimation: I've definitely noticed that if I add external packages, it tends to make things very very slow
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: decimation: Emacs needs threads.
asciilifeform furious that the emacs in that box's ports tree cannot easily build without dbus
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asciilifeform: the latter, aside from being a poetteringism, consumes precious memory
gabriel_laddel: (re: Threaded Emacs, I've already walked that road - don't waste your time. Not going to happen and won't fix the underlying issues with Emacs anyways.)
decimation: asciilifeform: this came up yesterday with the global interpreter lock
decimation: the only alternative is a fine locking mechanism
decimation: neither seems particularly elegant
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/hoter.html << I was reading Herr McCarthy's 'dreams of the future' from 1970
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decimation: he has some highly amusing footnotes about how disappointed he is re:ibm & microshit monopoly
asciilifeform: 'Some immediately apparent disadvantages are: ... ... I cannot read in bed. The book-size portable terminal will come later. A household may require several terminals or perhaps we may have to compromise with sin and provide a hard copy terminal after all.'
asciilifeform: book-size portable terminal
asciilifeform still waiting.
decimation: lol yeah I figured you would like that one
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
kakobrekla: well reading in bed and writing in bed arent the same thing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't speak for others, but my programming is 90+% read/think and 10% write, timewise
asciilifeform: and that's on a bad day.
kakobrekla: and you do all this in bed?
decimation: asciilifeform: you would make a terrible do-o-crat
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no! but i want to.
kakobrekla: lol. he is even worse than me, wont leave the bed.
decimation: you pair of shut-ins
decimation: you could send morse from a thigh-key to a terminal
kakobrekla: for me bed is hard to get in and hard to get out.
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kakobrekla: if possible id opt out of it.
gabriel_laddel: re in bed computing. is there something wrong with a bluetooth keyboard on the lap and a monitor that folds onto the ceiling?
decimation: I wish they made e-ink displays that updated at a reasonable frequency and were large
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: plenty wrong.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: for one thing, i refuse to use wireless keyboards.
kakobrekla: or usb.
asciilifeform: the black van man should have to work for his pay.
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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: okay, so the monitor folds down with a usb keyboard in some sort of rack attached to it.
kakobrekla: nooo not the usb!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when i want to turn over ?
decimation: not to mention holding your arms on your lap (when lying down) would get tiring
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let me guess, you're one of those folks who only lie on their back in bed and never else.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about if the rest of the room rotates?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform have you thought about zero g, how will you think better in bed?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, all over the place. But I only ever compute in bed while sitting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then you're in orbit and have other problems like bones dissolving
decimation: you too can start a new life in the off world colonies
decimation: plus muscles atrophy
decimation: plus radiation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but those problems have solutions! Except for the deadliest thing around is the trash problem.
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decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/feds-graciously-agree-not-to-steal-resta << "Federal prosecutors have stopped trying to steal $33,000 from an Iowa restaurateur who irked the IRS by making deposits of less than $10,000."
assbot: Feds Graciously Agree Not to Steal Restaurateur's Bank Account - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/137FjI6 )
asciilifeform: 'Deliberately keeping deposits below that threshold to avoid the reporting requirement is a crime (known as "structuring"), but Hinders was never charged with it. Instead federal prosecutors argued that her bank account had facilitated the crime of structuring, making it subject to civil forfeiture.' << lol!
asciilifeform: crime without a criminal.
asciilifeform: it floats around, in the vacuum, wandering.
decimation: usg vs. $33,000 for a cop-boat
asciilifeform: sad that the confiscation did not proceed;
asciilifeform: there will have to be perhaps a million confiscations, dekulakizations, before 'the sheeple wake'
BingoBoingo thinks outlaw restaurants would be a decent theme for a trip around USia
decimation: I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too
asciilifeform: thing is, reprieves are temporary
asciilifeform: 'the art of saying 'good dog' until you can find a proper stone'
asciilifeform: from usg's point of view
asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled
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BingoBoingo: ^Handling Blackmail
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gabriel_laddel: "before 'the sheeple wake'" hmmm... I'm sorta under the impression that they're not ever going to wake. the thing with sheep is that they get tend to get slaughtered. after 5-10 years of living the life of American cattle the brain starts to deteriorate from lack of use. threaten them an all you get is pathetic bleating.
gabriel_laddel: "noooo mr. ss man, I was baaaah, a good baaah bah baaah citizen baaaah baaah"
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gabriel_laddel: "no, baaah, not my laambs!" "I paid my baaah taxes!" *bleating continues*
decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/16/illegitimate-no-photography-arrest-leads << apparently the police arrested this woman and accused her of being a terrorist for the crime of taking a picture of a display-helicopter in a public place
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decimation: more sheeple beating
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gabriel_laddel: "It's a shame that taxpayers have to be on the hook for the criminal actions of their "servants" but it's still good when citizens let police know that there will be some consequences for rights violations."
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: But if they do wake, where to go?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright.
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
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BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I'm in the middle of the corral. As asciilifeform has mentioned earlier leaving is not easy.
decimation: lol apparently Illinois passed a law that makes it a felony to record a public official without consent
BingoBoingo: decimation: Illinois also sucks a big bag of dicks? What else is new?
PeterL: In response to the earlier talk of choosing a monarch, it made me think of the way the Mormon church chooses its leader:
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gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: of course it isn't easy. building Israel into somewhere you might actually want to live wasn't easy.
PeterL: current leader chooses people to fill vacancies in a 12 person council, those chosen serve for life
PeterL: when leader dies, the longest serving council member becomes new leader
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: this is however, a good thing. it will leave out the
PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders
gabriel_laddel: cattle from "eden", wherever it ends up being.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The only local police force called out by name in the UN indictment of the US human rights record? The Shitcago police department. http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/
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decimation: lol awesome
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: A thing I am experiencing is when one rejects the local bezzel the local bezzel makes it hard to leave.
BingoBoingo: Unless one sufficiently accept the role of tame crank.
decimation: it's a good rule of thumb: states which require 'all-party' consent for recording are corrupt as hell
PeterL: my in-laws live in illinois, they always complain about the high taxes and lack of any visibile benefit from paying said taxes
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: You don't have to give up USD immediately if you leave the US.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The one good thing Illinois has are roads downstate... Unless they are under construction.
decimation: PeterL: but the south side of chicago gets their reparations!
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Ah, but where to get USD outside of the bezzel!
PeterL: Illinois has obnoxios tollways too
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Only up north
PeterL: well, I only go up north
BingoBoingo: That's a problem
decimation: actually I wouldn't mind tollways if roads were fully privatized
decimation: Illinois just wants to charge thru-travelers extra tax
BingoBoingo: Missouri to Indiana or Kentucky to Iowa are toll free
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: come on. you're telling me that you can't set out for the promised land with 50k cash in your back pocket and be able to figure out some way to a) have bitcoin in the future and b) make enough USD now to live on?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I make efforts to acquire USD, but avoiding the honeytrap that is the drug business options are limited so I have a tent. Upon leaving with my budget first obstacle is the DEA's pet insecurity problem in Norther Mexico.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: sorry, pet insecurity?
BingoBoingo: So I wait, plan
PeterL: why not go the other way, through Canada?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Sinaloa and Los Zetas didn't grow themselves
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Opposite problem. Too polite.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: why not just fly out?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I think you severely overestimate my USD denominated holdings
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination.
PeterL: powered paraglider? Fits in the back of a pick-up, fly across border?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right. so what I'm driving at is that one must make that destination himself.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: in most cases, yes.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: But can paraglider cross Darien without being commandeered for someone else's cause.
decimation: I doubt anyone will stop you if you just walk across the mighty Rio Grande
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: you're too poor to fly?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: For reasonable definitions of fly, such that goal is permanent escape.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: "reasonable definitions of fly" explain.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Poverty in USia is not just of money, also of passport
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: they're a couple hundred dollars.
BingoBoingo: Money is not the obstacle with passport.
PeterL: then what is?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: everything I've got to my name fits in two bags. I understand that ascii can't leave because of equipment, but that isn't the situation for most people.
BingoBoingo: Pending fucking misdemeanor disordely conduct charge which has been ongoing for quite some time.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: equipment can be replaced, in theory. i can't leave because i'm of no use to anyone elsewhere.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: really now. you're unusable in, e.g., Israel?
decimation: BingoBoingo: maybe you can just ask for continuances until anyone who cares is gone?
BingoBoingo: But to seriously escape USia, even by land one needs a plan that cover not just the simple border crossing, but also the next hop to a candidate for a haven.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha. probably don't even qualify as good cannon fodder these days.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: why?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and what do you mean by cannon fodder - 130k/yr slave?
BingoBoingo: decimation: That's the current strategy, but I'm tempted to take it to a jury next year finally
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: old, somewhat out of shape.
asciilifeform: literal cannon fodder
asciilifeform: generally the main attraction of israel - military service
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: oh, lol. old fat guys can be perfectly good programmers.
decimation: all sorts of elites in the US (including government leaders) send their kids to server in the isreali army
asciilifeform: but i'm not a programmer.
asciilifeform: i'm a... sorta what naggum was.
BingoBoingo: Israel also for USian escapees also has the downside of being in orbit.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you can't program!?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: copywriter?