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bloctoc: Yellen is turning out to be very good for bitcoin indeed!
bloctoc: Satoshi/Yellen for president
nubbins`: jannit yellin
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
moiety: BingoBoingo: has there been any other news... i see nothing other than the usual he said, she said derpiness
BingoBoingo: Not really
moiety: oh and can we play chess? (quite drunk - determined to beat you)
BingoBoingo: K, let me set up a board
moiety: omg really? now? you did not say yes... im getting a board ready just in case
BingoBoingo: moiety: Wait there was a sie wasn't there
BingoBoingo: moiety: Remembered http://www.chess.com was a thing so we dun fill the logs up
assbot: Play Chess Online - Free Chess Games at Chess.com
BingoBoingo mixes another drink
BingoBoingo: !up Pasha
moiety: yaya k so whats the level of drunk 0-10?
moiety: level of drunk of the BingoBoingo i mean
BingoBoingo: Prolly a 4
moiety: ah fuck.... k .... be kind then
BingoBoingo: Coul be 6 by the end of the game
moiety: BB: why is it telling me every move i make is illegal
BingoBoingo: moiety: That's a good question
BingoBoingo: What sort of thing were we playing on again?
moiety: lol
moiety: chess?
BingoBoingo: K, are we using the website?
moiety: but any move i make it says its illegal
BingoBoingo: moiety: Are we on the same site?
moiety: yeah i went to the link you gave
moiety: says you challenged me
BingoBoingo: Maybe you have to accept the invitation to the game or something?
moiety: yeah i do that and get to the game no bother
BingoBoingo: Hmmm. moiety Maybe start another game and invire me this time? Maybe this site is jsut retarded
BingoBoingo: moiety: Seems to maybe be working now.
moiety: o no im just being dumb, think thats me in the game now
moiety: aye
moiety: jesus this is ultra fancy compared to our last board
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00081375 = 8.0154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00081375 = 28.0744 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 272 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 205k High: 340 Low: 199 VWAP: 294
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0008144 = 2.1989 BTC [+]
moiety: i swear you have extra bits than i do when we begin a game BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, anyone who bet life in WoL this round is prolly swearing moar
moiety: aha!
moiety: did you just take one of my bits?
moiety: i knew it!
BingoBoingo: And another
moiety: get back you
moiety: omg
BingoBoingo: moiety: You know... at some point you can start taking stuff too
moiety: ach weesht! I'm trying!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Nao you have to take a piece
moiety: i did ..i did!!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00081284 = 14.9563 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: There you go. You're scottish. You dun have to be English sort of polite
moiety: shall i send you a "take me nao" tshirt?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: moiety: After this game Imma get drunker and you're going to need to show aggression in the next game
moiety: how have you got a manny down on my homne row
BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser
BingoBoingo: moiety: Quite a few... You know sometimes you can move them out of the way (you can also flip the board to see what I see)
moiety: oh aye i just found the board flipping things.... i can move them out of the way?!
BingoBoingo: Well, when its your tune to move if I've threatened something... moving it to safety is an option
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 32 @ 0.01702034 = 0.5447 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan yeah, generally those sorts of bets struggle to even cross 1 btc total.
assbot: BitBet - Newegg to accept BTC in 2014 :: 0.07 B (50%) on Yes, 0.07 B (50%) on No | closed 3 hours 36 minutes ago
benkay: where is the search engine i type in "thing i want".pdf and it gives it to me?
mircea_popescu: !up Cory
benkay: nom
mircea_popescu: benkay free independant woman ftw.
benkay: schroeder's buffet bio's decentish
mircea_popescu: moiety so how goes ?
moiety: mircea_popescu: hello! so happy to finally have non intermittent interwebs (arrived today), nothing exciting. how are you?
mircea_popescu: pretty good
mircea_popescu: discovering how ba actually looks a lot like san diego
mircea_popescu: i think they have a complex.
moiety: i missed you all!
moiety: san diego?
cazalla: heh won knc bet, who would've thought
moiety: BingoBoingo: offs.. srs? i have like no bits left!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well you could resign or offer a draw and try again next game
moiety: "which of these chicks has a natural tan?!"
moiety: noooooooooooo BingoBoingo i shall lose squarely tyvm!
mircea_popescu: moiety they all look kinda natural no ?
moiety: my point exactly mircea_popescu :P
BingoBoingo: moiety: In that case you need to lose more bits this game so you protect them more ferverently next
mircea_popescu: kinda lanky awkward central.
moiety: but nipples.... so... eh?
mircea_popescu: lol brits and their eh
mircea_popescu: universal key of language, eh ?
moiety: eh
moiety nods
BingoBoingo: rolfbbqomg
mircea_popescu: con queso.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 626104.23 in 254 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 22.40
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 272 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 204k High: 340 Low: 199 VWAP: 295
atcbot: 18k@310 11k@275 19k@272 | 51k@200 898k@199 500k@151
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2.67295072 - 2.24502432) / 272079.90524245
gribble: 1.57279678416e-06
mircea_popescu: that's pretty good innit.
BingoBoingo: Looka like it
mircea_popescu: this entire reporting business i tell you... it's getting pretty thick.
BingoBoingo: Soon, most of your month will be consumed by statements
mircea_popescu: almost done with mpif not even halfway there.
moiety: BingoBoingo: have you got me in a point where i cant move?
mircea_popescu: what's this, impregnation chess ?
BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to move your king, because check
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not atm that I'm aware of
moiety: fucking better not be
moiety: ok i did something, no idea what but it was the only thing i could move
BingoBoingo: Well, it happens
BingoBoingo: You can take a thing nao at least?
moiety: i did.... but i think it wasn't the best move to make... but im struggling cus, well, you know, you have ALL THE REST!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, now you know why you need to retaliate when I take your pieces
moiety: ya, moseying across the board doesnt cut it any more
BingoBoingo: Well, life is far more precarious than it was this point last round in the other game https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/11/
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.0008143 = 5.4452 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: moiety: GG
moiety: wait
moiety: how
moiety: wut
moiety: fuck
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-june-2014-statement/ some adjustments to btcalpha required.
assbot: F.MPIF, June 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: thank you for being patient BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9059 @ 0.0008143 = 7.3767 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 0.00021760 vs 0.00021734 tho so quite close.
BingoBoingo: moiety: You're welcome
moiety: sorry i don't give such a good game, I will some day. i promise you that!
moiety: !up RagnarDanneskjol
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, you can give it a go as white nao
moiety: :D
moiety: BingoBoingo: i have no idea why i just did that last one ok... it just /is/
BingoBoingo: Well, things...
BingoBoingo: just sort do what they do
BingoBoingo: moiety: Good game
moiety: wut? already? i thought i was doing better this time!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, you kept more bits, but... You kind forgot to protect the important one.
moiety: ya.. i'm not quite at the stage of thinking ahead to what you will do next. i don't quite see how to protect that back bit without moving folk out
BingoBoingo: Well, you've to to worry about the center of the board a bit more. Rooks are fun when you get them out, but... Early in the game they really dun have anywhere to go
moiety: my strategy so far as to: make a gap and then destroy all i can with the queen. sometimes this works sometimes it really doesnt
moiety: you always move your horse dudes pretty early. i must think about them more
BingoBoingo: Well, queen can get took too.
moiety: i like her cus shes pretty bi and can go loads of ways though
BingoBoingo: Horses are really dangerous early in the game because they can jump over the junk clogging things up
moiety: can they jump over anything?
BingoBoingo: Well, as long as they have a spot to land on
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.02 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12504.27 GH/s
moiety: dude, how do you leap across the board like that -_-
moiety: you won already
moiety: duuuuude
BingoBoingo: Well, practice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00081604 = 12.4038 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i'll play you and win one day, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course
moiety: if you could feign some form of "oh well i really didn't see that coming" that would be fabulous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00081374 = 12.2875 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: did you see bill gates play the current world grand master? lost in under two minutes i think
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah I saw the Bill gates thing. Maybe soon I'll be able to do the feigning as you requested, but... drunk
atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 635112.62 in 215 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 24.16
punkman: BingoBoingo: I see the bombing paid off
BingoBoingo: punkman: Early on, now it seems simply that life is the biggest hazard to itself
punkman: the game's going faster than usual eh
BingoBoingo: Well, ATC is goig faster than usual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00081791 = 34.3522 BTC [+] {4}
moiety: BingoBoingo: is it very boring to play people that aren't at your level?
kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 308992 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 1471 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16057522539.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.52443
kyuupichan: I'll be stunned if we get a diff fall this period, but we're well on course for it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18175107 = 0.9088 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.017 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00081926 = 32.8114 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.181751 = 1.0905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00082106 = 1.1905 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5758 @ 0.00082138 = 4.7295 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00082138 = 11.7457 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;calc 2186753/186753
gribble: 11.7093326479
jurov: er
jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753
gribble: 0.000217345815777
jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753*1.01
gribble: 0.000219519273934
jurov: ;;calc 475.281614687/2186753/1.01
gribble: 0.000215193877007
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021760 BTC (Total: 435.21 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (35%) on Yes, 2.44 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 83`555 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: mike_c ^^ quite a diference from the report
jurov: *monthly report
jurov: i take it back, actually not
jurov: should have bfast and coffee first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00081961 = 6.393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00081921 = 10.322 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.03710885 = 1.4844 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18749994 = 1.875 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008214 = 4.107 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: davout: grats on merchant feat
punkman: best time to move house: noon with 30 C under shade
jurov: you live in trailer?
punkman: nah
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.19416553 = 9.7083 BTC [+] {8}
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-june-2014-statement/#footnote_0_55383 << please to note Government of "Canada"
assbot: F.MPIF, June 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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pankkake: ;;ud thunderclap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thunderclap | A thunderclap is the sound of a scrotum slapping against the body when going balls-deep.
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/overstock-dangles-rewards-bitcoin-friendly-vendors/ actually, overstock might end up being a bitcoin business
assbot: Overstock Dangles Rewards For Bitcoin-Friendly Vendors
pankkake: if it's what I understand (being paid bitcoins not fiat)
kakobrekla: people.
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bitcoinpete: ok, off to the golf course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.20071416 = 1.405 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2051 = 0.6153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44520 @ 0.00081588 = 36.323 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: wait theres more
Namworld: So what's the issue? Delay is like in FAQ like first question? I think I recall reading it once. Pretty sure there was mention for unresolvable bets somewhere in there.
kakobrekla: dafuq do i know
kakobrekla: he just needs to wait for the mods to do their thing
ThickAsThieves: i imagine a clearer answer could be, it will resolve when the results of the open FOIA requests are responded to
kakobrekla: is what i have been trying to tell him anyway.
kakobrekla: yeah but then theres no fun
Namworld: Ah yes, there's the FAQ answer. Doesn't specify a definite time limit, but it does mention it.
kakobrekla: look im just the support keeping the customers busy while bets are getting resolved dont look at me!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2630 @ 0.00081403 = 2.1409 BTC [-]
assbot: Goldman Sachs Demands Google Unsend One of Its E-mails - Slashdot
chetty: you know I wonder if these people that go on about various online bets argue with dealers at the blackjack table?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5070 @ 0.00081698 = 4.1421 BTC [+]
punkman: chetty, you argue with the dealer, you get thrown out of the casino. You argue with bitbet, you get entertaining emails.
kakobrekla: the conclusion, bitbet is delaying payments so they earn the big interest sitting on huge (over 3btc) balance
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla eh tell them to get bent.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete huh ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: betcha this fellow is american. over here, they'll bring a mostly empty bottle of vodka to the shop, say 'i didn't like it', get money back.
mircea_popescu: actually no, let's fix the incentive structure.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell them that you've brought the matter to my attention, and i said that if i hear about this again i will not pay on that bet until august 3rd no matter what happens. then ask him if he wants to bring the matter to my attention again.
mircea_popescu: let's see what happens.
mircea_popescu: !up Vallance
kakobrekla: mp, nowai cause this can end only end badly.
mircea_popescu: lol right.
mircea_popescu: hey, im willing to go to february 3rd 2015 after that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. this because 50 years ago it was actually worth your while as a shop keeper to make them happy, because they were diligent hard working sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: nowadays...
pankkake: didn't he think that the info would not be available quickly when he bet?
pankkake: that's why I didn't bet, actually, I'm surprised it was approved without a resolution source in the first place
mircea_popescu: pankkake but whatever he thought then, right ? i mean suppose a girl invites him over and he THINKS it's for to fuck.
mircea_popescu: then the girl just gives him tea. what now, does he throw a fit, rolling on the floor, snot everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: cause it wouldn't surprise me.
pankkake: I'm more like George, girl invites me over to fuck, but I just drink the tea
chetty: no, he tries to rape her, cause thats his right, otherwise he is a victim of tea
asciilifeform: !s trilema copilul anal
mircea_popescu: chetty i k r ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sheit, your depth of wisdom astounds me.
mircea_popescu: ;;google copilul anal
assbot: Copilul anal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: Parents banned from naming baby WikiLeaks after officials ruled it ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/parents-banned-from-calling-baby-wikileaks-after-court-ruled-name-was-potentially-harmful-9239564.html>; Anus music music - Listen free at Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/tag/anus+music>; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: weird, i get it first hit.
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021734 BTC (Total: 475.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c yay!
mike_c: who wants to be the btcalpha intern?
mircea_popescu: who can one trust for the job tho ? maybe ask them directly.
mircea_popescu: kinda how i do it, if there';s people right on the brink of your wot as it were.
mircea_popescu: expand the bubble by eating the edges
mike_c: worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: just like bacterium do it. which, i've been thinking, is actually a very interesting situation. with the mechanics of bitcoin serving as a fundamental thermodynamics implementation, and the wot serving as a singalling space,
mircea_popescu: we're basically playing a mega game of life : we've each got our own bacterium
mircea_popescu: and so far, trying to make it eat and grow
kakobrekla: what is the intern suppose to do
kakobrekla: except for internet
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: get coffee and enter monthly updates.
mircea_popescu: check out the time piercing beauty of the log/later tell combo :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c usure not seeking 2nd wife ? that sounds like wife...
mike_c: work-wife
mike_c: ;;ud work wife
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work%20wife | That person at work (same or opposite sex) that takes the place of your "at home" spouse while you are at work (no sexual relationship is part of t...
mircea_popescu: (no sexual relationship is part of either relationship)
mircea_popescu: there ud fify
pankkake: ;;ud secretary
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secretary | secretary. A position filled by a female that has no other purpose except to perform specific duties for the boss or president of the company. ie: sucking, fucking, ...
mircea_popescu: eh. these people never ran an office.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the senior partner at a law firm will be fucking enraged if you manage to steal his secretary. he couldn't care less if half the junior "partners" leave.
mircea_popescu: the reason isn't that she's fucking him, but quite exactly the contrary : unlike all the junior schmucks, she isn't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00081457 = 3.7617 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !s mcgrath
mircea_popescu: !s trampstamp
mike_c: !s spy house jersey
mike_c: only 38??
kakobrekla: lol again with the spyhouse
mike_c: i could've sworn we said it a 100 times yesterday
kakobrekla: maybe its not parsed yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.202 = 0.808 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this jersey thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund
mthreat: kakobrekla: the cron was running once per day, I just updated it to run once per hour
jurov: TAT good one
kakobrekla: thats generous of you mthreat , thanks
mthreat: kakobrekla: np, it's very lightweight and fast.. we could make it real-time if we wanted, but probably not necessary
benkay: ;;later tell hanbot by choosing bets that, as best can be determined, will be open for around a month at the least. // learned that one myself heh
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69933066 BTC to 11`366 shares, 14951 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: i agree, although we started daily and it now is hourly, in a year, perhaps we will look for our next line on search
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla YOU HAD PROMISED ME MY LINES IN SEARCH
mircea_popescu: how long is this going to take!!
kakobrekla: i know email doesnt have a ban, but i think irc does?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: secretary << that wasn't about secretary. that was 'секретутка' - 'secretute'
mircea_popescu: lol sekretutka
asciilifeform: standard term. ask anyone.
mircea_popescu: but you see, that was mostly because of the ban on contraception.
mircea_popescu: people needed to get other people's wives in their harem.
mircea_popescu: hey lambchop, if you're reading this : i've had enough entertainment i'm willing to pay. pick any bitbet you want, i'll put 1 btc in your name on the side of your choice. lemme know.
asciilifeform: stalin died, condoms appeared, marriage as SOP didn't really start to sink till the '90s (ussr)
mircea_popescu: wait what ? that last bit ?
asciilifeform: people still saw it as 'the thing to do'
asciilifeform: culture dies slowly
mircea_popescu: o to sink. i read "sink in"
mircea_popescu: complete dissonance
mircea_popescu: i was like... what sort of tatar tribe from 1700 did this guy grow up with
benkay: mircea_popescu: who's lambchop?
mircea_popescu: the guy with the graph
mircea_popescu: tat linked his post above
benkay: hm
benkay: in other news, i'm looking at wireframes and user experience jibberjabber for a biggish home automation project
mircea_popescu: random factoid of the day : mongols used to call themselves "tata". the chinese called them daddy. that's the origin of the term, in all its permutations, big daddy and what have you.
jurov: lol sekretutka .. here sexretardka catched on instead
mircea_popescu: jurov does that also connote she's slow & thick ?
jurov: no, just pretty but retarded
mircea_popescu: well yes. both slow and thick mean dumb :). however, slow is a good fuck and thick a good ass, so...
mircea_popescu: trying my hand at this entire lyricism thing.
benkay: god save us all
jurov: benkay, save yourself
benkay: i'm already doomed
mp_as_god: no homo, bro.
mircea_popescu: actually
mp_as_god: how the fuck do you reg and add nicks again ?
benkay: eregister
kakobrekla: no, he wants /nickserv help
benkay: hurr services
mp_as_god: im such a noob ;/
jurov: /msg nickserv group mircea_popescu
jurov: oops wrong window
BingoBoingo: moiety: ntrly
mircea_popescu: holy shit i own ##buttcoin
mircea_popescu: and #nude
mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty cool.
ThickAsThieves: Dow broke 17k
ThickAsThieves: champagne for all!
jurov: where are we in the 1930's script again?
ThickAsThieves: we blew past it! no chance of crash anymore1
chetty: Berkeley Requires Marijuana Dispensaries To Provide Free Weed For Low-Income Patients
BingoBoingo: <chetty> you know I wonder if these people that go on about various online bets argue with dealers at the blackjack table? << of course these people know what a casino is, it's the place they learned how to fly through a door
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00081992 = 26.5654 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves permanently elevated plateau i say!
mircea_popescu: chetty lmao.
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves permanently elevated plateau i say! /// such progress.
mircea_popescu: Virginia High Schooler Threatens Suicide, Police Arrive and Kill Him
mircea_popescu: “Why would you shoot a child that is suicidal? You are there to save him, not finish him off.”
ThickAsThieves: "Christian was shot an unknown number of times by a Purcellville police officer"
ThickAsThieves: too many bullet holes to count i guess
ThickAsThieves: or counting no longer taught
mircea_popescu: pankkake: if it's what I understand (being paid bitcoins not fiat) << pretty cool actually.
jurov: he threatened the officer with suicide? i see
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "more than three"
mircea_popescu: jurov no, he disobeyed!!1
mircea_popescu: you gotta keep in mind we're discussing this country where they have rooms where if anyone screams "freeze" all the adults just.. freeze
asciilifeform: 'unknown number of times' << empty magazine in the end
mircea_popescu: well... "adults".
ThickAsThieves: On Tuesday, a misunderstanding between two armed men in a convenience store in Georgia led to one man drawing his gun and being arrested on the first day of the “guns everywhere” law.
ThickAsThieves: guncentralize all the things!
asciilifeform: whatever happened to shootouts being held in specially-designated places.
mircea_popescu: what is this law ?
ThickAsThieves: Georgia’s new gun rules kicked in Tuesday, allowing residents to carry firearms into bars, nightclubs, classrooms and government buildings in a measure slammed by anti-weapon activists as a “dangerous kill bill.”
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ThickAsThieves: mp what's your view on PAMM accounts?
ThickAsThieves: or anyone
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i tell you honestly that's like the best customer support i've seen to date. you make me fucking proud.
mircea_popescu: i'm buying you a beer next we meet.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a great idea in theory whose greatness in practice depends on not being used.
ThickAsThieves: i dont like them but i cant articulate exactly why
ThickAsThieves: just the sheepness i guess
mircea_popescu: it'll prolly work fine for as long as a very small fraction of trades are done this way.
mircea_popescu: but as it becomes popular, it also becomes dangerous.
mircea_popescu: take just one model of an avenue of attack. suppose i have a known bitbet address, which is up 20% to date.
mircea_popescu: suppose bitbet implements pamm betting.
mircea_popescu: suppose i notice that any 5 btc i bet is followed by 20 btc in pamm bets.
mircea_popescu: suppose i bet 5 btc on "mp has three heads", then turn around and put 100 on the other side.
mircea_popescu: do the people pamming me have 2k btc ready ?
ThickAsThieves: that all helps
mircea_popescu: noob traders generally don't understand that the trinity is price, volume, volatility.
mircea_popescu: they just look at price
ThickAsThieves: indeed, so far, volume is the hardest thing for me to work with
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin may be volatile, but it isnt like you can just unload 100btc at any price you target
mircea_popescu: now that depends.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is opaque, otc-driven on top of all of it.
thestringpuller: wtf is circle?
ThickAsThieves: vaporbank
ThickAsThieves: circle is now doing a little media trolling to get attention
ThickAsThieves: then they will release "free" bitocin purchasing
mircea_popescu: aren't they basically the start-up predicated on the notion that square made simple geometric shapes bankable ?
benkay: hey who's the blogger doing really great mining analysis?
benkay: voice of some greek or something?
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 229 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 38k High: 229 Low: 199 VWAP: 213
ThickAsThieves: organofcorti
benkay: thanks ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: !s organofcorti
pankkake: square?
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ThickAsThieves: Circle is kinda like US Neo I guess
benkay: aren't they due to fold sometime this or next quarter?
pankkake: it's not even square, it's a rounded square… http://i.imgur.com/xUXEP5g.png SCAM
ThickAsThieves: a warmer safer square
mircea_popescu: Goldman Sachs filed with the New York Supreme Court, requesting "emergency relief" to avoid a privacy violation and "avoid the risk of unnecessary reputational damage to Goldman Sachs."
mircea_popescu: what does "unnecessary" mean in this context ?
pankkake: as Gronibard would say, Il est pas carré, il est pas rond, il est ovale mon trou de balle
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's god damned necessary, people should stop hiring phantomcircuit
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ThickAsThieves: it's also funny that it's "avoid the risk of"
mircea_popescu: pankkake shit's gotta be rounded, otherwise children could who knows, give themselves a new cunt on the corners of the thing
mircea_popescu: and sue you for unnecessary feminisation.
ThickAsThieves: sue all the risk!
mircea_popescu: pankkake are these the nude doods ?
benkay: so okay i don't know anything about finance and i have a question
pankkake: they are rarely fully clothed in concert
benkay: so a bond market is in a bubble if there is lots of demand for the bonds, allowing the issuer to issue for less money.
benkay: lower interest.
benkay: okay i get it thank you for your assistance.
mircea_popescu: do you understand how bonds are priced, for that matter ?
benkay: let's say no - i'm sure i'll learn something useful.
benkay: everything i know about bond pricing comes from MPBOR
benkay: which...
mircea_popescu: ok, so i issue series A, 1 btc bonds paying 1 bitcent/month for 2 years.
mircea_popescu: how much is a series A worth atm ?
benkay: 1 B + tvoB?
mircea_popescu: now, i issue series B, 1 btc bonds paying 5 bitcents/month for 1 year.
mircea_popescu: what is the value of A now ?
benkay: less?
benkay: because the available interest rate has gone up?
mircea_popescu: 1 b+ tvoB(A) - tvoB(B)
benkay: sweet.
mircea_popescu: provided ideal liquidity etc.
benkay: right right
mircea_popescu: it's a very schematic model, but for the basics : if yields go up low yield older bonds are worth less
mircea_popescu: so bonds being worth less really means the market's going to shit for the issuer. such as you know, default looming or w/e
mircea_popescu: if yields go down, everyone's old bonds expand on the books
benkay: making all the old treasuries on all the US banks' books worth less, making them more depending on further bailouts?
mircea_popescu: which is why fake low yields are so important for the us financials atm :
benkay: more dependent*
mircea_popescu: their balance sheets consist entirely of worthless paper that has to be overvalued.
mircea_popescu: tyhis has the disadvantage that it bubbles up the stock exchange and (again) real estate
mircea_popescu: but they don't perceive they have options.
mike_c: the fed isn't the sole buyer, they aren't entirely fake. there are others with vested interest in keeping us propped up.
mircea_popescu: for the purposes of the macro discussion those others are the fed.
mircea_popescu: all the byzantine generals serving the same camp ARE in that camp,
mike_c: china = fed? how so?
mircea_popescu: irrespective of their motivations, whether they're there cause they're trying to fuck a guy's daughter or becaue they're drunk
mircea_popescu: i think equating the part of china propping the us currently with china is at best naive.
mike_c: hm. interesting. cuz the part of china doing the propping is also delusional?
mircea_popescu: china has a long history of making horrid public investments. that there's currently a china fed does not realy commit china
mircea_popescu: any more than all the uninhabited towns they built. they got scratch to waste.
mircea_popescu: it's not delusional, per se. it's just that china is large. when you're that large, spitting in every vessel isn't particularly noteworthy.
mircea_popescu: sure you got drowned in spit, but they didn't mean anything by it.
thestringpuller: ghost cities...
benkay: ;;gettrust freeroute
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user freeroute: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=freeroute | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=freeroute | Rated since: Tue Apr 2 18:13:09 2013
mircea_popescu: mike_c for instance.,
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the "cash-basis bond evaluation" becoming a thing with us banks.
mircea_popescu: where if you have 100 btc at 1% while the yields atr 0.5% you book a 200 btc passive.
benkay: wat
mircea_popescu: then if you need 1k btc to cover your profile you just take yields to 0.1%. or w/e, 0.00001% if need be.
mircea_popescu: benkay if one's in the business of making money out of nothing, one's stuck doing it.
thestringpuller: is it really out of nothing?
thestringpuller: but BTC doesn't come from nothing...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i was using btc as a unit of account stylistically, to underline the lulz that is fiat.
pankkake: you sound like a socialist! faceless globalized finance is money out of money!
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benkay: !b 1
thestringpuller: socialism will save us all tho!
thestringpuller: how will the underprivilaged be able to live without socialism?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mircea_popescu: wow what a blowout
mircea_popescu: incredible.
BingoBoingo: Irony is it seems some of the most damaging things to life's cause were... Life Bombs
mircea_popescu: funny how that works huh
mike_c: that is the biggest domination i have ever seen, and i've watched a lot of these.
mircea_popescu: just like irl!
benkay: i do not understand this thing that you've done, mike_c .
mircea_popescu: mike_c i was thinking, i didn't even know this shit was possible.
mike_c: benkay: it is a secret plot to give bingo all the ATC
jurov: mike_c i don't like how it shows trending behavior from start to finish on most of the games
benkay: ugh open markets are about as stochastically bouncy a thing as i want my money anywhere near
mike_c: jurov: your most is a very small sample size
jurov: ic
mircea_popescu: benkay this has the advantage that it's a provably fair stochastic process.
mircea_popescu: markets do not have that.
mircea_popescu: you try to ensure it by calling them "open", but alas...
benkay: yeah but in the open market i can say things like 'o hey mpoe will probably be worth quite a bit in the future." and play based on that.
mircea_popescu: right. specifically because it's not provably fair :)
benkay: i like my edges, and i like them sharp.
BingoBoingo: benkay: In that case your chance to buy is before the game starts
mircea_popescu: much like bitbet, there's ways to have edges here too. mostly on the vol/vol angle i guess
benkay: i'm not an oddsmaker, guys. i make like one trade every six months and sit the fuck on top of it.
mircea_popescu: we could say you trade like a girl ?
benkay: well, that'd be one trade every ten months :D
benkay: and besides i don't 'trade'.
benkay: Mr. Market, etc.
asciilifeform 'Mr. Market' << imagines a webtv-like konsoomer appliance for idiots to 'trade' on
asciilifeform surprised the various chumpatronic engineers who push 'amazing! web based stock trading' crud haven't come out with one yet
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: if i read the parable correctly, Mr. Market is the idiots en aggregate.
kakobrekla: just you wait ascii.
asciilifeform: it'll ship some time after the u.s. gov.-issued, mandatory hardware btc wallet.
asciilifeform: 'supports FaceCoin, TaxCoin, and even Bitcoin! (TaxCoin surcharge applies to all transactions, see manual.)'
mircea_popescu: actually i'm kind-of surprised nobody has yet made a bitcoind/bitcoin-qt which takes a few out of every tx and sends it to author.
mircea_popescu: trivial change to make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody << not exactly. i have a proof-of-concept patch for the winblows client that does this.
asciilifeform: (100% though. does that count?)
BingoBoingo: The multibit authors are explicitly moving to this model now
mike_c: call it the tx fee in the UI, and don't actually pay tx fee (or reduced fee). difference goes to author.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shouldn't be 100%, should be more like w/e vat is
mircea_popescu: mike_c no, call it tax in the ui.
mircea_popescu: difference goes to having "duly authorised" badge to show.
asciilifeform: 100% is the correct winblows tax rate.
mircea_popescu: On the steep drop in GDP growth of a paltry .1% in the first quarter, Dr. Roberts says, “What I find most amusing about this is they had to claim some real growth in the first quarter; so, they eked out .1%. Now we know they got that by rigging the inflation number they used to deflate the gross domestic product (GDP). The real GDP in the first quarter, properly deflated, was negative and probably also in the fourt
mircea_popescu: h quarter. Most likely, this coming quarter, they are not going to be able to hide the fact that it is negative. . . . I am convinced the first quarter was negative, and I don’t see how it could possibly go positive in the second quarter.”
mircea_popescu: where did all the guys that used to argue with me about the fakeness of usg published figures go!
mircea_popescu: it's so lonely nao.
asciilifeform: at some point people lose interest - how many people cared about soviet stats ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11646 @ 0.00081916 = 9.5399 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: On the Ukraine crisis, Dr. Roberts says, “I think Washington badly miscalculated this whole Ukraine business. It was an act of hubris, arrogance and stupidity. They are mad at Russia for blocking their attack on Syria and blocking their attack on Iran. They said ‘we’ll teach them.’ We’ll give them trouble in their own backyard and not to get in our way anymore.” The threat of sanctions has made the Russ
mircea_popescu: ians realize the dollar system is not in their interest, and they are going to leave it. . . . If any significant part of the world stops using the dollar, the price of the dollar falls because demand for dollars falls, and the import cost for America would rise. When you see how import dependent we are, it would mean a substantial rise in the real cost of living for most Americans.”
mircea_popescu: this paul craig roberts guy gets it somehow.
asciilifeform: 'But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their re
asciilifeform: ctified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been
asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'
asciilifeform: ('1984' obviously)
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mircea_popescu: look at that shit eh.
mircea_popescu: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/contact/ << people need to get fucking rid of contact forms.
assbot: Contact - PaulCraigRoberts.org
benkay: why isn't he running ads?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how could one be more offensively impolite than making a contact page and then putting in a form.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spam control.
mircea_popescu: spam control that manages to offend me has failed.
mike_c: um, do you find it offensive if the form is just an option? alongside other contact info?
pankkake: forms suck, because there are standard tools to write to people and you can't use them
BingoBoingo: ^ this
pankkake: and you won't have a copy of your sent message in your email client, etc.
mike_c: and yet can be a convience in some situations. which is why i like having multiple options.
mike_c: convenience
mircea_popescu: nobody's offended at plurality you know ?
mike_c: some people are anti-choice :)
mircea_popescu: lol good one
mircea_popescu: !up Dalrymple
Dalrymple: Good evening Gentlemen
Dalrymple: Just stumbled over your blog today and thought I'd say hello here
mircea_popescu: so today being a week since S.WOL floated, mike and i each got 2`250`000 shares deposited.
asciilifeform: Dalrymple: fan of the actual Dalrymple ? or the man himself
mircea_popescu: well hello here.
mircea_popescu: ima brb in a few mins.
Dalrymple: Just a fan
asciilifeform: ;;google theodore dalrymple
gribble: Theodore Dalrymple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple>; The Skeptical Doctor | Dedicated to the work of Theodore Dalrymple: <http://www.skepticaldoctor.com/>; Theodore Dalrymple - City Journal: <http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47>
asciilifeform: ^ for the uninitiated
Dalrymple: The man himself prefers antique books to computers
Dalrymple: I've been doing some research and am considering buying a coin since it seems from what I have read the price is due to go up soon
Dalrymple: I am totally new to this but it seems like a pretty secure investment
benkay: nobody in here's going to argue that btc are a bad buy, even at 5k/each.
benkay: unless *wave hands* market conditions.
Dalrymple: I can buy at £338
asciilifeform: Dalrymple: so long as you don't expect the exchange rate to increase monotonically - sure, buy.
benkay: ;;ticker --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP ticker | Best bid: 375.78431, Best ask: 376.5597, Bid-ask spread: 0.77539, Last trade: 376.61217, 24 hour volume: 4477.02275443, 24 hour low: 373.703, 24 hour high: 383.75392, 24 hour vwap: 378.413376961
benkay: sounds like a good deal, Dalrymple - what's your outlet?
Dalrymple: bitbargian.co.uk
benkay: fascinating.
mike_c: ;;google site:www.thedrinkingrecord.com counterparty risk
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Dalrymple: It's funny actually, I have capital to spare on something like this due to finally receiving unpaid wages from my last job. I was working in a computer repair shop -
Dalrymple: The boss was a disgusting she-prole who I later learned is a drug dealer, she was trying to get me in on it - ordering LCD panels from China to use on indoor maurijuana crops
asciilifeform: lcd panels ?!
asciilifeform: for lighting?
Dalrymple: Lol - sorry LED
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Dalrymple: She was trying to get me in on it without initially revealing what the panels were for, luckily I left before I got involved
assbot: Does it take money to make money?
assbot: ITEX - a small business community and barter network
assbot: BizX
benkay: SPAMZOR THURSDAY
benkay: where's ninjashogun when you really need to make a point...
dignork: Dalrymple: £338 is below market value, your chances of getting scammed are high
Dalrymple: Thanks, that site was the first one I came across, so obviously I will have a proper look around for verified sites before I buy anything
benkay: you might try...cash.
dignork: Dalrymple: there are sellers in #bitcoin-otc, if you want I can give you some minimal instructions
ThickAsThieves: now GS is recommending post-earnings Calls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7222 @ 0.00081563 = 5.8905 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: for NFLX*
ThickAsThieves: niggas wont let up
Dalrymple: Thanks dignork, that would be appreciated
assbot: Pamela Clark - 35 Practical Tools for Men to Further Feminist Revolution
benkay: Do 50% (or more) of housework. // or pay for it to get done?
benkay: Do 50% (or more) of emotional support work in your intimate relationships and friendships. // except i don't have emotions
benkay: When a woman tells you something is sexist, believe her.
benkay: // don't ask for clarification, or other difficult questions. that's sexist.
pankkake: !up Dalrymple
ThickAsThieves: If she is “nagging,” you are probably lagging.
ThickAsThieves: Inject feminism into your daily conversations with other men.
ThickAsThieves: gj benkay!
Dalrymple: Yet if a man acted like this the feminists would accuse him of "mansplaining", which proves that they are capable of irritating portmanteaus but oblivious to their own hypocrisy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00081563 = 6.4843 BTC [-]
chetty: omg would you guys stop with the feminist garbage! just shot them all and get done with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20199991 = 1.01 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: plenty holes as is!
chetty: jajajaja
Dalrymple: Gunshot wounds do not a competent sandwich maker make
kakobrekla: <Dalrymple> The boss was a disgusting she-prole who I later learned is a drug dealer, she was trying to get me in on it - ordering LCD panels from China < you can get addicted to ordering panels from china!?
kakobrekla will never visit ebay again.
mircea_popescu: prole drug dealer ?!
Dalrymple: She's using the led panels to grow weed
kakobrekla: yes yes but where is the addiction part
kakobrekla: without addiction selling drugs is meh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00081563 = 15.6601 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: will you settle for habit-forming?
Dalrymple: Weed has a high profit margin, which probably increases in proportion to the crapness of tv and the sugar content of junk food
kakobrekla: lol tat, not much to go on.
mircea_popescu: you can actually grow weed by lcd panels ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19304 @ 0.00081479 = 15.7287 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: led panels, mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: well yes you can
ThickAsThieves: 10 Examples of Decentralized Art
kakobrekla: but its gonna be shit.
mircea_popescu: o nm my bad
kakobrekla: (i do NOT mean the hashish)
mircea_popescu: led to avoiud the high energy consumption police screen for sort of thing ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03699 = 0.7398 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: heat.
mircea_popescu: that too
mircea_popescu: i thought they liked high heat/high humidity no ?
mircea_popescu: just spray water.
asciilifeform: u.s. police were officially forbidden from using thermovisors, but afaik still do (why the hell not)
Dalrymple: I think she might have been selling some of the panels too
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure utilities are required to report the top 5% iirc it was consumers in dormitory neighbourhoods.
mircea_popescu: so why bother with thermovisors
asciilifeform: ;;google bitcoin miner marijuana
gribble: Report: Police Confuse Bitcoin Miner's Power Use for Growing Weed: <http://techland.time.com/2011/05/23/report-police-confuse-bitcoin-miners-power-use-for-weed-grow-op/>; Bitcoin miners busted? Police confuse bitcoin power usage for pot ...: <http://blogs.computerworld.com/18335/bitcoin_miners_busted_police_confuse_bitcoin_power_usage_for_pot_farm>; Why Would Police Confuse (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: might as well forbid them "for privacy"
kakobrekla: easy workaround is to steal power. it goes unnoticed in urban areas.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla stolen and dependable. pick three.
Dalrymple: In the UK a lot of people are caught due to stealing power
kakobrekla: i know for a fact that they lose megawatts in the air here
kakobrekla: and they dont give fuck for losing a few kw
Dalrymple: It's not something I'd ever want to do, and the people who do it often get violently extorted if they aren't caught by the police
Dalrymple: I met one person who would look for gullibles and offer to loan them some equipment and oversee their grow, it meant he'd get a cut and it wouldn't take place on his property, also he knew the connects to sell it in bulk
chetty: we all have different ideas on which laws are worth breaking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.03306369 = 6.2821 BTC [-] {14}
kakobrekla: different things work in different places
ThickAsThieves: Dalrymple obv a dealer
mircea_popescu: oh nice can i play ?
mircea_popescu: different phone numbers have different amounts in them
kakobrekla: go 500km south of here, you can bribe any cop for anything
mircea_popescu: ;;google where is 500km south of somalia
gribble: Clashes at a Somali border town leaves 10 dead - News ...: <http://www.africareview.com/News/Clashes-at-a-Somali-border-town-left-10-dead/-/979180/2315350/-/jmxylxz/-/index.html>; 10 killed in Somali border clashes - News - africareview.com: <http://www.africareview.com/News/Ten-killed-in-Somali-border-clashes/-/979180/2314660/-/ahh89g/-/index.html>; December | 2013 | (1 more message)
kakobrekla: here, noone dares.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.03513656 = 0.527 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: 500m south is ocean, no?
mircea_popescu: oh, ocean cops ? i hear bad things about their sirens.
kakobrekla: meh fuck you trolls.
ThickAsThieves: ah, i see, it's madagascar
mircea_popescu: where is that sketch
assbot: Monty Python - Airplane Hijack - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: did they ever find that Malaysian plane?
mircea_popescu: yeah. it was hidden in neobee's real world brick and mortar airplane warehouse
ThickAsThieves: zeroblock made a random neo tweet today
assbot: Danny Brewster (NEO&BEE) rumored to be in Larnaca, Greece by post office worker https://t.co/bos2fyOzAM
ThickAsThieves: points to forum, some dude saying he got Danny's Gox Bankruptcy mail
mircea_popescu: interesting.
punkman: Larnaca is in Cyprus
ThickAsThieves: it's where the airport is
assbot: Expropriation Is Back - Is Christine Lagarde The Most Dangerous Woman In The World? | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00081655 = 8.2472 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware it had ever left.
benkay: !up Dalrymple
assbot: Vizualizarea datelor : Market depth pentru bitcoini pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: this 2011 article has like... 2011 prices in it :D
mircea_popescu: still the best mkt depth visualisation there is imo
benkay: i think i'm going to get a "don't tread on me" tattoo
benkay: probably just the snake.
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
mircea_popescu: get it in gold ink!
benkay: my skin's not dark enough for that to look at all good
benkay: i am a swarthy boy, but not actually black.
benkay: actually i'm not even swarthy.
benkay: just well-tanned.
benkay: "In short, Italian men are swarthy. And when someone says that, it's usually not with a shudder, but a shiver.
benkay: oh, babes.
mircea_popescu: so get a black guy and get the tattoo on him.
assbot: Swarthy: offensive or not? - WordReference Forums
benkay: hey thestringpuller lets get you inked
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller is black ?!
mircea_popescu: "We American women think of the swarthy type as a dark-skinned (not black), exotic, intense type of man."
benkay: probably doing pomodoros, ping him louder
mircea_popescu: dude lmao. "we american women" ? who's this lol
benkay: hello_this_is_dog.png
mircea_popescu: more like this-is-retarded-bitch-hour
assbot: Evaluating Havelock securities performances
kakobrekla: gold.
kakobrekla: >(gold, real estate, bread, hookers, all would be better measures of value over time than Bitcoin)
kakobrekla: because hookers cant be printed.
kakobrekla: (not yet, at least)
asciilifeform: hookerchain prevents this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00081421 = 11.2768 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so "the community" of bagholders posing as bitcoin people is getting vocal ?
benkay: sales fee creeping up on account fee.
mike_c: uh
mike_c: "may and july" -> "may and june"?
mircea_popescu: your creative accounting
mircea_popescu: You mean the same accounting that is used by every single financial regulatory agency in the world?
mircea_popescu: lmao that fuckwit seriously has the gall to argue4 that stealing people's bitcoins over time is okay ?
mircea_popescu: ;;rated ognasty
gribble: You rated user ognasty on Fri Jun 13 17:07:59 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: pirate shill ; currently running a security that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin..
asciilifeform: !up Dalrymple
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 in case you're still looking for that, http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: it's about a year out of date by now, if you're looking for something to do
mircea_popescu: more generally i suppose it being springish again, it's time to revisit last year for the new crop of noobs :
assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Evaluating Havelock securities performances
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whay so angry
kakobrekla: you dont know angry.
mike_c: bitstamp is awesome
mike_c: (is he angry yet?)
kakobrekla: yes troll sensor also working
mircea_popescu: Also, newsflash, I can call this rock that I am about to throw a 'club', yet it wont feel like one when it hits your face.
mircea_popescu: this was kinda lulzy
davout_: bitstamp slovenians are best slovenians
mircea_popescu: mostly cause of the club ambiguity
mircea_popescu: davout i hear nigeria beat you froggers in the wc
davout: apparently you're not paying your intel dept enough
davout: ;;ud drat
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mircea_popescu: davout bet you the krautzes send france home ?
davout: the internet sez you're a cutie!
davout: 1 btc
davout: but not on bitbet
davout: their support sucks
mircea_popescu: yeah on bitbet lol. putting it in nao.
davout: i'm not paying 1% for a private bet between you and me
mircea_popescu: but it's open.
davout: i hear they send winners spider drawings instead of money
mircea_popescu: should try thias
assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 1 day 4 hours | weight: 99`949 (100`000 to 1)
davout: mircea_popescu: "pankkake but whatever he thought then, right ? i mean suppose a girl invites him over and he THINKS it's for to fuck." <<< if you reason like this, then you should rename it to bitchbet
Mats_cd03: benkay: everyone i know with the coiled rattlesnake and/or 'don't tread on me' is ex mil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00081366 = 3.0512 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout how you mean ?
davout: if you argue that the resolution of bitbets can afford lack of clarity by comparing it to the way the woman of your example lacks clarity you should go all the way
davout: but then there's also the question of "where does the lack of clarity stop, and the guy's expectations start"
mike_c: what clarity is missing? when the bet will resolve? obviously it will resolve when the price is known. if it becomes clear the price will never be known, BB mods will do something appropriate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00081748 = 15.0008 BTC [+]
pankkake: I think davout refers to another bet
mike_c: doesn't help to add a 10 page rider to every bet
mircea_popescu: mike has it.
pankkake: i.e. what if buttcoin-central is renamed to gaymium
pankkake: another bitcoin-qt segfault. gotta learn to not click on it too soon
davout: i think my broader point is that since you don't know what you don't know, it makes sense to define a way to clarify propositions along the way, lest you end up with some rota v2
davout: you cannot perfectly specify a bet, no matter how many pages of specs you write
mircea_popescu: davout sure. but how does that help the arguer's position ?
mircea_popescu: you can't argue from your expectation, gotta argue from reality.
davout: the guy that was requesting support ?
mircea_popescu: well no, the guy that was requesting the bet be cancelled.
davout: ah
mircea_popescu: he briefly masqueraded as requesting support originally i guess.
davout: i think that a reasonable case can be made for cancellation
davout: based on the fact that you have no reliable source for the auction price
mircea_popescu: no case will ever be successfully made for cancellation as long as a legitimate dispute exists.
davout: what do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: that'd have been a good case for not betting.
davout: sure, that's why i didn't bet :-)
mircea_popescu: exactly what i say ?! what part ?
davout: "no case will ever be successfully made for cancellation as long as a legitimate dispute exists."
davout: what's a legitimate dispute ?
mircea_popescu: that as long as there's a dispute, a bet doesn't get cancelled.
mircea_popescu: like, people not agreeing.
davout: a dispute about the auction price being >x or <x ?
mircea_popescu: if you got a group saying "the sea is blue" and another "the sky is azure" this isn't a legitimate dispute. they're not talking of the same thing.
mircea_popescu: if one group is like "sea is deep" and the other "no, it's salty" idem
mircea_popescu: but if they don't agree if it's salty or sweet, the bet as to which is is ain't getting cancelled.
davout: what if the bet mod realizes he has no way to measure salinity N
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Belgium :: 10.06 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 2 days 3 hours | weight: 99`770 (100`000 to 10`000)
mircea_popescu: davout best effort is best effort.
jborkl: building the database, the block chain will be searchable by txid, txcount by block, address, amount and UNIX
mircea_popescu: that's not a realisation the mod can ever reach.
mircea_popescu: should he discover salinity doesn't exist, then it gets cancelled.
mircea_popescu: but it seems quite certain a price was in fact paid, currently.
davout: mircea_popescu: well, what if he genuinely realizes it wasn't correct to assume he'd ever be able to measure salinity? whether he has the certainty that salinity > 0 being irrelevant given the bet conditions
davout: as in, a price has been paid
davout: :-)
mircea_popescu: not his place to realise such a thing.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of history. what's done is done.
assbot: NSA Considers Linux Journal Readers, Tor (And Linux?) Users "Extremists" - Slashdot
Naphex: pankkake: no wonder
davout: mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean
Naphex: most people in those categories are concerned about privacy
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i consider nsa employees child molesters. they're going to jail.
Naphex: from their PoV anyone who gives a shit about privacy will be an extremist
mircea_popescu: davout you know what makes a good error message ?
mircea_popescu: cause this "general failure" thing doesn't halp.
Naphex: General Failure 321
davout: fair enough :-) i'm thinking that "not his place to realise such a thing." is side-stepping the issue, and also not
davout: backed
davout: i mean why? say i'm making this bet about this music note being this or that, and poof, i become deaf
mircea_popescu: but you understand the general principle of limited review ? such that a judge isn't at liberty to vacate the law for instance.
mircea_popescu: the guy you hire to do your plumbing isn't allowed to recommend you buy a different house
mircea_popescu: army captain ordered to hold a position isn't allowed to change the regimental deployment
Mats_cd03: so youŕe saying bitbet needs a jury
mircea_popescu: random fuckwit that can't afford a 400 dollar swimsuit isn't free to "change the way society regards women"
mircea_popescu: and so on
davout: yes, the guy who does the plumbing can perfectly throw his hands in the air, refund you, and tell you that in fact he doesn't do lead pipes
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 kinda what the mods are.
Mats_cd03: a jury that can nullify judgments then
mircea_popescu: davout so a mod can quit bitbet.
mircea_popescu: what's that change.
davout: no, that would translate to quit being a plumber, not refuse to serve a particular client because you don't have the correct tools or qualifications
mircea_popescu: the plumber quitting his plumbing has zero impact. the plumbing company wil still do the plumbing.
pankkake: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 785138.67 in 2013 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: 0.00
chetty: ah but that would be like refusing to bake a gay wedding cake, not allowed
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: or like a computer refusing to multiply anything by 548791114
davout: chetty mircea_popescu no because if you do only plastic pipes you can't be forced to install lead pipes
mircea_popescu: also not allowed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00081256 = 2.5596 BTC [-]
davout: i think that in essence, bitbet and the rota have a lot in common
mircea_popescu: this is not news :)
mircea_popescu: i think i even said as much in the logs, months ago
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, i haven't ordered the ba logs paperback yet :-)
davout: but i spent some time thinking about this while driving
davout: so, how does it manage to avoid the shortcomings of the rota?
cgcardona: o/ hello #bitcoin-assets
davout: because basically, there's the "evaluate outcome according to environment and bet specs" part of bitbet
mircea_popescu: davout anon mods deliberating in secret. exact opposite of the "citizenship judge" rota model
davout: but there's also the "make a sovereign decision about the resolution conditions uncertainty that came to light after acceptation but before resoltuion"
davout: how's secrecy adding anything here ?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mike_c: rota did not need to decide things for the good of rota. bitbet has a vested interest in making good decisions.
Apocalyptic: kinda reminds me of the venetian rulers
davout: mike_c: true
mircea_popescu: this is a good point yeah
davout: mircea_popescu: so the advantage of secrecy is undecided
mircea_popescu: im just saying it's opposite.
davout: no, you also said you had no idea about how it was an improvement :-)
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: how is it an improvement is some sort of forward or inside looking statement. i dunno.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's an apple tree and a potato. now, you ask me how is a pomme better than a pomme du terre. nfi man, i just know they're opposite.
davout: ok, so basically makes no sense to sort them
mircea_popescu: what's sort mean and who's them.
mircea_popescu: and hello cgcardona
davout: i mean it makes no sense to try and decide whether secrecy is a better model than non-secrecy
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect that's perhaps stretching a point. rota judges did make a salary, and had a deeply vested interest in making th emodel work.
mircea_popescu: they failed to understand it in practice, but this is because people are often lazy, and that's exactly how things like bitcoin can get killed in 2010.
mircea_popescu: davout not without a metric.
cgcardona tips hat to MP
davout: yo, pas de relation d'ordre
cgcardona: top of tha mornin sir
mircea_popescu: something like that
assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 1.06 B (88%) on Yes, 0.14 B (12%) on No | closing in 1 day 3 hours | weight: 96`594 (100`000 to 1)
thestringpuller: shots fired
FabianB: []bot: you alive?
mircea_popescu: seems not
FabianB: artifexd: ?
davout: mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: well ok, lem me know when you're in and ill cover to even odds
davout: mircea_popescu: ok done
assbot: Could strenuous exercise at night mean better sleep? - Yahoo News
mircea_popescu: eh what the heck, im so overconfident i just put another 1 btc. so there.
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Is the Bastille bet considered controversial? Or mods just got bored of resolving bets y/day?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan i don't imagine it's controversial.
mircea_popescu: lemme see
kyuupichan: OK, boredom it is
chetty: Many people would rather inflict pain on themselves than spend 15 minutes in a room with nothing to do but think
mike_c: kyuupichan: what was this mystery mpex conversation you had with daniel?
mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 1 week 4 days (15-07-2014)
mircea_popescu: nothing controversial about it, but its date hasn't come yet.
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: But it's already happened no? Other bets are resolved early if they happen.
mircea_popescu: it's "on" not "by"
kyuupichan: The explanatory text is clearly "by". "On or before".
mircea_popescu: o nm it's on or before.
benkay: ^^ dns barker
BingoBoingo: Omg someone is trying to unkill of of my death with bombs!!!
kyuupichan: The disconnect between the two is unfortunate
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan yeah prolly going out today.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 72 @ 0.0172 = 1.2384 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: BUT WHAT IF THERE'S ANOTHER MATCH 58 FR vs DE IN THE WC OF SOME UNRELATED SPORT ??
mike_c: BingoBoingo: looks like somebody got into life real low.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The irony is once again the bombs seem to be setting themselves up for failure
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: where's the post detailing cardano rng construction?
kyuupichan: mike_c: Not sure I remember most of it. I'd rather it remained private though.
mike_c: kako can turn off the logger
mircea_popescu: davout tough
mircea_popescu: benkay in s.nsa somewhere
davout: yeah well, france would win both anyway
mircea_popescu: the only thing france wins is buttruining on pikes marathon
davout: i'm starting to suspect that this france vs germany bet is going to get bigger than the berkshire one
assbot: The reason you can’t have nice numbers and other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: well... not this one
mircea_popescu: but maybe if a real country was involved.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999985 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: hanbot was like "o why are you so mean ?! wait, this is davout ? nm, be as mean as you wish!"
davout: LOL
BingoBoingo: Shame a real country like Algeria couldn't eliminate France
mircea_popescu: nah that'd have sucked
davout: such shame, very sad
mircea_popescu: i don;t know many algerians with btc to bitch at
davout: at least we got some sleep in paris, algeria winning = honking cars all night
davout: as a sidenote, the whole "service is shitty, but it's fast!" has been a thing in france for the last 20 years
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BingoBoingo: !up Sebastan
BingoBoingo: !up chax
BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup
davout: CECI DIT, IL EST TRES RAPIDE!
mircea_popescu: "my cock is small. but it squitrs quickly"
jborkl: sweet
atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00081748 = 12.6709 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 785138.67 in 2001 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: 0.00
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13588 @ 0.00081757 = 11.1091 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wow shit look at that, someone covered the krautz bet.
mircea_popescu: artifexd somehow []bot is missing out on all the bitbet excitement lol
benkay: nah, not quite BingoBoingo
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 250 Last Price: 229 24h-Vol: 85k High: 229 Low: 199 VWAP: 218
artifexd: Thanks
atcbot: 19k@272 724@270 709@250 | 33k@200 898k@199 500k@151
artifexd: She should start acting right again.
jborkl: 90000 blocks through the rebuilt blockchain and I am at 25MB
mircea_popescu: o wait [] is a gal ?
artifexd: As her creator, I refer to her as such. And thus, yes.
mircea_popescu: ( . ) ( . ) bot shoul dbe in change of boobies.
benkay: $boobs
davout: mircea_popescu: according to bitbet rules and closing dates i can cancel my bet on http://bitbet.us/bet/987/krautzes-send-france-home/ until the last minute of the match right?
assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 2.06 B (49%) on Yes, 2.14 B (51%) on No | closing in 1 day 2 hours | weight: 94`609 (100`000 to 1)
benkay: in other news, i've learned that having the hairline trimmed into symmetry is a horrible idea.
mircea_popescu: davout waitwut
mircea_popescu: !up defaboy
davout: bet closes on saturday
davout: match is on friday
assbot: Rolling Coal: Conservatives who show their annoyance with liberals, Obama, and the EPA by blowing black smoke from their trucks.
davout: so technically, before the match is ended i can bet at anytime
mircea_popescu: davout nah, its gonna refund all bets made after 1st half
assbot: BitBet - Krautzes send France home :: 7.06 B (77%) on Yes, 2.14 B (23%) on No | closing in 1 day 2 hours | weight: 94`539 (100`000 to 1)
davout: lol k
mircea_popescu: artifexd seems it missed anothr one ?
artifexd: Last bet was 14 minutes ago
davout: so that is 1 confirmation before 45 minutes + additionnal time
artifexd: Last bet created was 30 minutes ago
artifexd: So, not yet.
davout: argh, i liked the "say 'deal', spit on the ground" approach :D
mircea_popescu: artifexd a 5btc bet just went through no ?
artifexd: Not that I see.
artifexd: Where?
mircea_popescu: davout aditional time is like, up i nthe air :D
mircea_popescu: artifexd well i just noticed the france bet went from 2ish to 7ish on one side
davout: mircea_popescu: "Irrespective of what the close date says, bets made after half time will be refunded." <<< not to nitpick, but now mods can redefine bets? :D
mircea_popescu: always could.
artifexd: Hmmm... another crash.
benkay: <trinque> benkay: somebody should write something that saturates idle connections with encrypted dummy data // any bored programmers want to irritate the NSA? trinque's full of good ideas today
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 641.64, Best ask: 643.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 641.62, 24 hour volume: 4768.02134696, 24 hour low: 638.79, 24 hour high: 652.79, 24 hour vwap: 646.281389953
artifexd: Investigating....
mircea_popescu: davout there's an ambiguity between "mods" here. BitBet Mod in red on the site is merely the official position of bitbet.
mircea_popescu: benkay you and your extremist friends.
asciilifeform: benkay: there is nothing especially secret about the rng.
trinque: the hard part would be getting enough people to use it for it to matter
asciilifeform: benkay: it is a very simple design based on johnson noise. -- plus, the entire design will be published in excruciating detail.
mircea_popescu: trinque maybe something like an always on crypoted messaging app
mircea_popescu: that constantly sends the same debit to everyone.
asciilifeform: (if someone wants to buy a chinese 'turdano' - its own punishment.)
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's interesting
assbot: Allaire - Wolf in Sheep's Clothing : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: guarantees 1kbps of text.
mircea_popescu: whether you send text or it just pads with noise... no difference. it sends 1kbps
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's basically what I was thinking in terms of a p2p filesharing app recently
asciilifeform: saturation is the only real pill against traffic analysis.
mircea_popescu: yeah, could be a messaging app with filesharing.
mircea_popescu: slow as fuck i guess
mircea_popescu: then again you can prolly optimise the distribution a little, and preserve the "no meta" value of the original broadcast design
mircea_popescu: without being stuck sending bw to EVERYONE all the time
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 42 seconds
assbot: How Quickly a "Genius" Startup Can Tank
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is not the unit of account, as you are not held accountable for that unit by anyone."
mircea_popescu: says scammer getting ripped a new one in a thread dedicated to how he's lost people's btc
mircea_popescu: Bloodhound had everything going for it. TechCrunch once hailed the tradeshow app as "genius" and Peter Thiel lead a $3 million investment round in the "blowing up" company.
mircea_popescu: how is this possible!
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BingoBoingo: "they ultimately signed a five-year lease for $31,667 a month in rent (plus $564 in fees)—more than six times the amount the arts collective had been previously paying." When you get taken that badly by a LANDLORD in a negotiation, maybe business isn't the right line of work for you. Disgraceful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01415 = 0.7075 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the author sounds like a butthurt artsy chick upset that money exists.
mircea_popescu: and her name is Kevin Montgomery, which is apt.
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.355 BTC for No on "Krautzes send France home" http://bitbet.us/bet/987/ Odds: 56(Y):44(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.60838675 BTC. Current weight: 93,229.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility August over $200 :: 0.19 B (78%) on Yes, 0.06 B (22%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 98`203 (100`000 to 1)
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punkman: oh there's a comment, never mind
BingoBoingo: Butthurt Artsy chick vs. Failing startup burn rate
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah
punkman: my gold bet made it, yay
punkman: bet the other guy is butthurt
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo match made in heaven huh ? i saw this film cca 1940, back when cagney was the fronteer ruffian and whoever the fuck was the boston damsel
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/988/argentina-beats-belgium/ << someone dump this on reddit btw ? im kinda fond of the description
assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Belgium :: 11.06 B (64%) on Yes, 6.27 B (36%) on No | closing in 2 days 2 hours | weight: 96`953 (100`000 to 10`000)
BingoBoingo: Rofl! Nothing at all is New!!!
punkman: http://bitbet.us/media/images/ads/bit445.jpg <- "leading sports sport book" heh
mircea_popescu: people are missing out on perhaps the only good advertising deal in bitcoin, what can i say.
mircea_popescu: wait a god damned fucking second. 10k sq foot space in sf mission
mircea_popescu: people are bitching about 30k rent ?!
mircea_popescu: they want to pay... 50 cents a square foot ?!
mircea_popescu: what sort of paralel universe is gawker living in. you can't get residential in seattle for 50 cents a sq foot
trinque: I think the point was they had no business renting it
asciilifeform: where does one get 50 cents? aircraft hangar in kazahstan ?
mircea_popescu: seems they did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my main place in ro was ~7k sq feet and it cost me like .3 per
mircea_popescu: but THATS ME
trinque: I'm still trying to figure out what's "genius" about a tradeshow app
mike_c: i think i'm paying $3.50, unfortunately out of my own pocket and not some VC
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking joke, this article.
mircea_popescu: "what conventional business cvould afford 3-4 per sq foot " ?!?!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, how about a fucking lemonade stand.
mike_c: ^ could be said about any gawker article
mircea_popescu: selling nails
mircea_popescu: your average sf escort could aford a 50k sq foot place to fuck in
assbot: Conference App Bloodhound’s Genius Growth Strategy Attracts $3M Series A Led By Thiel’s FF Angel | TechCrunch
trinque: what a visionary app
trinque: words have lost their meaning
mircea_popescu: you know, just because a bunch of tards drunk methanol and are now blind
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean the sun has lost its shine
assbot: Silicon Valley 1x07 - Jared - Facial recognition app - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ relevant
BingoBoingo can't wait till startups concern themselves with Burn rate and move to the Mojave in tents
trinque: asciilifeform: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00081503 = 3.4231 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "We’d like to thank our wonderful community of nearly 10 years for helping us co-create a space that showcased the immeasurable talent, passion, and diversity of San Francisco’s artists, activists, makers, thinkers, and dreamers. We hope that this vision of shared responsibility and radical inclusion extends beyond the life of the organization."
mircea_popescu: i think immeasurable is the right word.
mircea_popescu: "When Million Fishes started at the corner of 23rd and Bryant in 2003, the gallery windows were boarded shut and drugs were sold on the street outside. When the gallery became a live space, it made the street less attractive for drug dealing, but it also helped usher in the wave of gentrification that has now overtaken us."
mircea_popescu: check that out, hippy chicks propose they drove out the thugs
mircea_popescu: with free love.
asciilifeform: this - the google bus smashers again?
trinque: mircea_popescu: thugs hate radical acceptance and trust
trinque: it is their natural enemy
mircea_popescu: totally.
assbot: Silicon Valley (HBO) - Parking Lot App. Scene - YouTube
mircea_popescu: also, no artist ever did drugs.
mircea_popescu: there are also numerous cases of ex drug lords turned into reddit feminists by being held captive in a san francisco commune for two weeks.
mircea_popescu: there are hwoever no known cases of abducted retarded artsy chicks that spend the next decade whoring.
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mircea_popescu: also, patty hearst is not a historical character.
mircea_popescu: (who definitely didn't marry her... bodyguard, afterwards)
benkay: done with client work for the weekend wooooooooooo
benkay: celebrating american independence day in true cascadian fashion by going up to the forest with the babe and the dog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00081713 = 1.4708 BTC [+]
benkay: poopin in the bull run
benkay: oh yeah, subject of the Bull Run, water *sucks* in Argentina.
benkay: leastaways bsas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.0142 = 0.7384 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: vilavicencio is ok
assbot: The Foundation
davout: "supports state/country tax recovery and is speculation resistant."
mircea_popescu: What is ⊔?
mircea_popescu: ⊔ is pronounced /kʌp/ and is Unicode character U+2294.
mircea_popescu: these fucktards. THAT is what i wanna hear first ?
benkay: dafuq?
mircea_popescu: in what parallel universe is THAT what interests me ? what are we, in junior high ?
davout: yo, create currency, select unicode character, work done
mircea_popescu: they've been derping in bars for a year now
davout: after reading this i had the weird urge to re-watch the feincoin video
mircea_popescu: stil don't have an elevator speech
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the world's most fucktarded graphic.
mircea_popescu: i desire the ability to rescind highschool diplomas via gribble.
davout: the guy also derps about another virtual currency, the euro-franc
davout: unfortunately this shit isn't translated to english -> http://cupfoundation.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/faq-eurofranc/
assbot: FAQ Eurofranc | Foundation
mircea_popescu: ;;send everyone involved with cupfoundation back to 5th grade kthx
gribble: Error: "send" is not a valid command.
davout: basically the idea behind eurofranc is that bitcoin is a scam
davout: and that everyone should be entitled to free money every month
davout: srsly, pankkake Apocalyptic read dat shit if you need a good laugh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00081769 = 19.0522 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: oh heck yeah
benkay: you should see the nerds all bedecked
mircea_popescu: why, it gets you laid ?
benkay: comfy?
mircea_popescu: o they are ?
benkay: ;;google nonconformity competence
gribble: The Red Sneakers Effect: Inferring Status and Competence from ...: <http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=45809>; The Red Sneakers Effect: Inferring Status and Competence from ...: <http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/download.aspx?name=The+Red+Sneakers+Effect+2014.pdf>; Nonconformity, Competence, and Influence in Groups: A Test ... - Jstor: <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2095064>
mircea_popescu: i thought they're supposed to be like for running.
benkay: super comfy.
mircea_popescu: it'd drive me fucking nuts to have shit between my toes.
benkay: i mean ultrathin soled shoes in general.
benkay: provided you don't mind prancing around on your toes, that is. heel striking is only viable when you've got padding under your heel.
benkay: try it on concrete in bare feet, see what i mean.
mircea_popescu: no ty, i'm old enough to know exactly what shoes i want.
punkman: I had a pair of those, they were very comfortable indeed
mircea_popescu: shoes for people that kick no butts.
punkman: http://www.vivobarefoot.com/eu/mens <- these guys have thin soles and you don't have to look like a clown
assbot: Mens Shoes | Barefoot Trainers | VIVOBAREFOOT
davout: i can't wait to report on persianshoes.com
benkay: pff that's what the ass-kickin shoes are for
benkay: "hang on a sec, i gotta put on my ass-kickin shoes and kick your ass. don't go anywhere."
mircea_popescu: punkman they seem like perhaps a credible variant in between making the girls go barefoot everwhere and odd duality.
mircea_popescu: provided they have nude colors rather than clown palette
punkman: the fivefingers?
benkay: i was hoping for magic fingers, tbqh
punkman: yeah might not look so bad on some more delicate feet, but on mine...
benkay: another bullshit thing about thevibrams is that they're essentially a heat-sealed plastic bag for your feet.
mircea_popescu: benkay o is it actually polymer ?
punkman: they have some good fabrics
benkay: my first set were.
mircea_popescu: scratch that then
benkay: who knows if their fancy variants are as well, or if they've solved the 'breathing' problem.
punkman: I had the open ones, they were pretty airy
benkay: well tchyeah the open ones would be
punkman: they had a waterproof boot version back in the day
punkman: was hilarious
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benkay: i think they're great. get intimate with the street etc.
benkay: that said, they're not classy at all, and the only performance footwear i actually require are carbon-fiber bike shoes.
benkay: which are *also* fucking great.
mircea_popescu: what sort of a whore's phylosophy is that.
mircea_popescu: i ain't about to get intimate with the street ON THE STREET
benkay: some amount of sarcasm...
benkay: but also it's a prophylactic lol
benkay: 'cause the fuckers seal, you see
jurov is on lookout for new shoes too
jurov: had adidas buckskin sneakers with thin and flexible soles
jurov: that took 5 years of abuse
jurov: dunno if i find anything like today
trinque: how could we jam an encrypted p2p chat app into facebook?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00081528 = 3.3426 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: facebookchain ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: my thought is that the plebs use facebook and aren't likely to switch
trinque: so if some white knight wanted to get them to encrypt their chats he'd have to do so from within
punkman: trinque: you can do OTR on facebook
punkman: !google facebook otr
trinque: punkman: yep if you use XMPP right?
punkman: yeah but if both parties have an XMPP client, why even use facebook
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jurov: yeah that won't even help if they chat via fb website
punkman: jurov, but we can do it in the browser!!!111!
jurov: is there some easy to use plugin?
jurov: at least?
punkman: the answer is fuck facebook
dignork: jurov: yeah, for pidgin :(
kyuupichan: Gonna take a miracle for me to be flat on bitbet this yr.
kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 309080 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 1383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15891657670.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -5.51063
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (35%) on Yes, 2.44 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 83`253 (100`000 to 1)
kyuupichan: Still no-one tempted
benkay: betting against diff?
kyuupichan: Every 60 blocks, apart from the first one, since the diff increase has been slower than 10hrs. Some hashpower is gonna have to appear soon to make it up and stop a fall.
kyuupichan: Wonder where it all went.
mircea_popescu: trinque you can't encrypt "from within" in that context i dont think
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan people been so burned on diff bets...
mircea_popescu: look through the logs. it keeps looking that way, but then... nope.
kyuupichan: I'm well up on diff bets. Got utterly fucked on the Gox 1st March bet tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 56 @ 0.03273408 = 1.8331 BTC [-] {7}
kyuupichan: Biggest money launderers in fiat complain about money laundering potential of bitcoin
assbot: Central Bank official warns on Bitcoin impact - RTÉ News
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long till the hos figure out the prize for bitching is beating, and they really wanna line up in here ready to suck us off.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked fiat bankers what they think on any topic ? what's next, asking the primitive tribes in africa about interspatial flight ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla hey let's improve the odds calculator for bitbet. Calculator: placing a winning BTC bet on:Yes pays: 1.46984385 BTC No pays: 2.41177082 BTC should read : Yes pays: 1.46984385 BTC (~47/100) No pays: 2.41177082 BTC (~141/100). it's fucktarded, but some people are used to it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: hey, what about american odds?
mircea_popescu: which are those ?
mike_c: +141 and -213
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You don't even use those, you use decimal odds!
mike_c: who the hell can understand american odds
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla apparently also moneyline ( moneyline = (-100) / (decimal -1) , so 1.46984385 BTC (~47/100 ; −212.83)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla except if it's over 2, then it's (decimal-1)/100, so 2.41177082 BTC (~141/100 ; +141.17)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pretty fucktarded, the moneyline system
mike_c: * 100, but he'll get it
mike_c: given that I have been more exposed to american odds than anything else, I don't think I am biased when I say decimal odds are by far the best method.
mircea_popescu: i don't think an argument can be had there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, by not simplifying the fractions i think we'll be doing a lot to ease brits into sanity.
BingoBoingo: Well, most Asian odds are fractional anyway right?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 201 Ask: 250 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 61k High: 229 Low: 199 VWAP: 218
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 1100005.78 in 1971 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: 40.10
atcbot: 19k@272 724@270 709@250 | 45k@201 30k@200 898k@199
atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00081638 = 4.8575 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 309086 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 1377 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15931508982.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -5.27368
assbot: BitBet - NeoBee Orphaned in 2014 :: 0.96 B (88%) on Yes, 0.13 B (12%) on No | closed 3 months 2 hours ago
mircea_popescu: jesus that bet.
BingoBoingo: That was one of the better small pots. Seems there was no reason to put any money on "No" though
mircea_popescu: nuts that it called it one month early.
BingoBoingo: Well, I write bets gud. Like this time I bet against people I know IRL http://bitbet.us/bet/312/npda-college-debate-championship-2013-mckendree-college/
assbot: BitBet - NPDA College Debate Championship 2013 - McKendree College to win :: 2.35 B (34%) on Yes, 4.5 B (66%) on No | closed 1 year 3 months ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1624 @ 0.00081638 = 1.3258 BTC [+]
gribble: 1.6818461371161112E10
atcbot: 19k@272 724@270 709@250 | 250k@225 45k@201 30k@200
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4776 @ 0.00081638 = 3.899 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/990/
assbot: Yankees Reliever Suspended 50 Games For Fun Drugs
BingoBoingo: ^ If you can you must
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: What is this maximum open orders bullshit?
mircea_popescu: !up noirotica
mircea_popescu: is this deadspin site a gawker property ?
mircea_popescu: same idiotic native css
trinque: let the athletes do their drugs, I say.
trinque: imagine a hockey game where the players are all jacked on amphetamines
trinque: now that's excitement
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mircea_popescu: trinque you dont grok the economics involved.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: yes.. part of the "gawker media group". bingo is addicted. probably worse for his liver than drinking.
mircea_popescu: hockey thrives on us and canada advertising. that advertising sells to males. males are pussies, and will only watc h the sport if the woman in charge of them allows it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 279 @ 0.01166006 = 3.2532 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: women are mentally ill, and will not allow them watch it if it's bloody.
mircea_popescu: your proposal goes against the very point of hockey, which is ad revenue.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is generally it is the less retarded one, but still awfully retarded
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 61 @ 0.01151556 = 0.7024 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's mighty MRA of you
mircea_popescu: ;;ud mra
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MRA | MRA. Acronym for a group called Men's Rights Activists. I.E. - A bunch of whiny pedantic morons that think there is some vast Illuminati feminist conspiracy while  ...
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
mircea_popescu: ok, so you telling me that if hockey was offensive to every woman you knew, like on the level of infant snuff videos offensive, you'd still watch it ?
trinque: I'm not aware of a vast female campaign against hockey
mircea_popescu: wasn't what i said was it ?
trinque: something something mentally ill something blood
trinque: anyhow this is not something I am deeply concerned about
mircea_popescu: interesting approach.
mircea_popescu: you may find that the noun-only filter doesn't work equally well in all environments.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> ok, so you telling me that if hockey was offensive to every woman you knew << he still watches porn.
trinque: mircea_popescu: "women are mentally ill"
trinque: that's 15 year old boy level discourse right there
mircea_popescu: this is arguing for "men's rights" ?
mircea_popescu: you think north american women are, generally speaking, mentally healthy ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 103 @ 0.01033644 = 1.0647 BTC [-] {4}
trinque: I think most modern humans are not mentally healthy, and that the distinction has nothing to do with gender
trinque: although if you want to find a reason, taking a look at the patriarchial relationships between men would be a good place to start
mircea_popescu: but this contextualization is absolutely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: my argument doesn't hinge on the mental health of anyone else outside the identified group.
trinque: mircea_popescu: you're backpedaling from "bitches be crazy"
mircea_popescu: if i tell you how the internal combustion engine works and i include a mention of gasoline being combustible, you're going to say that hydrogen also burns ?
mircea_popescu: so does zinc, for crying out loud. so what of it.
trinque: again, if you want your silly little boy rhetoric about women, keep it
trinque: you're not embarassing me
mircea_popescu: trinque i toldja the "nouns-only" filter doesn't work. it's not my fault it don't work. i didn't say "bitchez be crazy", and you're not at liberty to identify any things with three holes and a nubbin.
mircea_popescu: that's ok. you'll be embarrassed if i want you to be, or not if i don't want you to be. it's a tool of power, and i'm immune to it, this embarassment thingee.
trinque: oh dear
mircea_popescu: well, you're at least doing better than the previous derp who stumbled in here, so who knows. maybe this time it works out.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com mircea's dick
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mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
mircea_popescu: what happened to you
jborkl: Grazi
jborkl: I have been non stop either work or building php back end
mircea_popescu: don't tell people here you're php ing they'll be mean.
assbot: 10 Urban Legends that Caused a Moral Panic - Listverse
BingoBoingo: ==== mean
jborkl: Oh well I mean Go. You know so I can cool
jborkl: Be
BingoBoingo: Maybe even B===========================================D kinda mean
mircea_popescu: rainbow parties never happened. nobody gets drunk by taking alcohol up his butt. no snuff film was ever produced.
mircea_popescu: list goes on
BingoBoingo: Eh, snuff films are prolly the most IRL common of those listed things.
mircea_popescu: depends whose l i guess.
jborkl: Shitty finger tattoos just mean you live or have lived in a trailer park
BingoBoingo: Well considering Dash cams are a thing, and what kills more than motor carriage accidents?
mircea_popescu: o i see.
BingoBoingo: Snuff films seem to be a self realizing urban legend
asciilifeform: item #6 was originally purported to happen in african pestholes. no mention of this.
jborkl: And trailer park chicks will do about anything anyway :/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall that, yeah.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.03079906 = 0.5852 BTC [-]
assbot: BLEEDING HEARTS
mircea_popescu: jborkl is this the voice of experience ?
jborkl: I have known many trailer trash girls.
mircea_popescu: benkay incidentally, where do you find them ?
mircea_popescu: or maybe the better q should be, how do you keep your sanitee.
assbot: On the Movie Set of Director Ilya Khrzhanovsky's Dau
asciilifeform: ^ found through that link. demented film maker decides to make a biopic of lev landau (of landau & lifschitz), gets people to live in a 'soviet reservation' for realism.
mircea_popescu: is the film worth it ?
asciilifeform: haven't seen yet.
jborkl: That is bumming me out that rainbow parties are in there. I kept hoping I would be invited to be on the liptstick reciving side
assbot: The Never-ending Story | The Caravan - A Journal of Politics and Culture
mircea_popescu: jborkl to quote frankie, "to have fun you need to organize it"
asciilifeform: 'Director Ilya Khrzhanovsky on set. He is known to interview potential female cast members with questions like “Can you come up to a guy in a club and sleep with him without finding out as much as his name?”, or “Are any of your friends whores?”'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik any cinema school worth its salt requires nude practice from juniors.
mircea_popescu: kinda weeds out the actors from the hippies.
asciilifeform: 'The fine system is the Institute's latest innovation. Khrzhanovsky decreed it a few months ago, fed up with staffers smuggling cell phones and talking about Facebook. Other finable offenses include tardiness, which costs a whole day's pay, and failure to renew the fake Institute pass. The program has been a hit. Not only has morale improved, a whole new euphemistic vocabulary has sprouted up. ("Google" is now "
asciilifeform: Pravda," as in "Pravda it.") The fine system has also fostered a robust culture of snitching. "In a totalitarian regime, mechanisms of suppression trigger mechanisms of betrayal," the director explains. "I am very interested in that."'
asciilifeform: 'Landau significantly advanced quantum mechanics with his theories of diamagnetism, superfluidity, and superconductivity. He also tapped epic amounts of ass.'
punkman: asciilifeform: I remember reading about that year's ago, so he's finally gonna release something
mircea_popescu: punkman sounds more like the guy's in it for the kicks
punkman: too bad he won't put up a torrent with 6 years worth of footage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that true ?
asciilifeform: 'The only acting professional in the cast is Radmila Shchegoleva, who plays Landau's wife; before shooting began, she spent a full year working at a chocolate factory and a hospital, a regimen devised by Khrzhanovsky to beat the actress out of her.'
asciilifeform: seems like its in pre-release edits
jborkl: 200,000 blocks built 1.5gb so far. I think my new block explorer will be about 3gb
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeast begin dying around 15 proof. Alcohol is a choice antimicrobial agent. To obtain higher proofs you must distill the mash to make poteen, white lightning... brandy, or single malt scotch. << Freezing works too though it tends to leave fusile alcohols
mike_c: jborkl: i doubt it. those last 100k blocks are a doozie :)
mircea_popescu: lol mike knows
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Imma playing with the blockchain atm (Really nice size for testing database operations speeds) It gets bigger
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00081782 = 2.3308 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so is this mra thing more than people being pissed off at the way us family court works re allocating children in a divorce ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it's also morally impoverished men wishing they can be what they imagine western feminism is
jborkl: Well the way I am building it I think will work out that way. I will find out sometime tomorrow I guess
mircea_popescu: according to them, or more trinquesque "all items with three holes on them are powerplugs" sorta strawman ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it's a peculiarly sad 'chinese copy' of the usual 'victimhood olympics.'
BingoBoingo: Of course, person willing to pay $10k/hr makes their own holes
asciilifeform: picture a strike at a meat processing plant. suddenly the cattle can talk - and decide to 'join' the strikers.
asciilifeform: 'we want our rights too'
BingoBoingo: Thanks to risperidone, the pro-lactation anti-psychotic drug men wishing to break into traditionally feminine fields can now audition for the job of "wet nurse"
mircea_popescu: so basically, a society of slaves constructed around "rights" rahter than freedom ends up a contest in contemptibility.
asciilifeform: news at eleven.
mircea_popescu: everyone wanting to whisper into the ear of State about their many and varied shortcomings.
jborkl: Wtf? Dudes want to lactate?
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Not want to, can.
asciilifeform: jborkl: no - original question was about a set that wanted 'rights'
jborkl: I drip enough white shit out the lower hole . I don't want anything coming out the top also
assbot: The Victimhood Olympics of the Modern Workplace
mircea_popescu: this is kinda funny, in that i had no fucking idea running a hepa filter in an open space can prevent allergic reactions.
jborkl: I got a postcard from Tokyo today
jborkl: Told me mtgox went bankrupt
mircea_popescu: was it a good card ?
mircea_popescu: sunset ? something ?
BingoBoingo: Postcards are the best way to transmit pornography
jborkl: It was all in Japanese except for the bankrupt part. Why didn't you guys tell me mtgox went bankrupt? I had to find out like this?
jborkl: Fuck
jborkl: :)
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well in a sane legal jurisdiction what you'd do is do through the motions of petitioning the trustee for discovery that any distinction between MtGox, Tibbane, and Karpales is fictitious and attach the debts and their repayment to his person.
jborkl: I forgot to tell you I have a really strange sense of humor
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo his person is worth just about not enough to be worth pursuing.
BingoBoingo: If this goes through Kraprales is forced to pursue various fraud and misrepresentation angles against Jed et al
jborkl: ^true that mp
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: His person is the right build for rendering into Biodiesel
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna mpoe-pr on http://www.goingyourownway.com/ ?
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mircea_popescu: turns out this exercise in discussing with the silly has at least yielded some interesting results
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What's the forum's point?
asciilifeform: the landau film has precedent. when they filmed the infamous nazi atrocity pic 'come and see', they fired real bullets over the heads of the actors
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea BingoBoingo. this is exploratory.
BingoBoingo: Fucking my F.MPIF to non F.MPIF post ratio is getting to high. I'll blog the forum to learn its seekrits.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud incel
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=incel | "Involuntary Celibate". A frustrated virgin who feels as if the world owes them sex. A self-described 'incel' is highly likely to blame their virginity on the other ...
mircea_popescu: jesus english is turning into chinese
mircea_popescu: a word for everything
mircea_popescu: then make contractions out of expressions
BingoBoingo: Ingsoc
mircea_popescu: Post anything negative about the Admin of MGTOWForums (the forum that gave rise to this one).
mircea_popescu: i have no idea wtf mgtowf was, but apparently there's drama to be had.
mircea_popescu: Dear all,
mircea_popescu: For 3 years I've worked to build up MGTOW Forums into a force to be reckoned with, but alas it has failed. It has failed because of the very reasons which brought down the previous MGTOW board: inexperienced idiots who were angry at not being able to get laid - betas, zetas, red pills and the rest of the rubbish.
mircea_popescu: At MGTOW Forums, we spent years fighting such fools who were psychos, incels and who vocally supported other places, that I won't mention, over our own. Such people were against us yet we managed to beat them time and time again.
mircea_popescu: wait. there is A LOT MORE dram
mircea_popescu: Living the Best Life: A big emphasis for us. Talk about: poker nights, video games, travel, lifting, books you're reading, that great anime you watched, sports you're doing, hobbies, philosophy, and on and on.
mircea_popescu: ahgahaa o god.
mircea_popescu: Game: This one sets us apart. Our view is that being MGTOW means downing the 'red pill' and understanding the nature of women. Once you do so, the rest is up to you. It's a perfectly valid option to sit it out, to “ghost” when it comes to women. And it's just as valid to "scratch that itch" with escorts, either at home or abroad. But for guys who, knowing what they know, want to use game to set up plates, date, est
mircea_popescu: ablish/manage FWBs (friends with benefits), this sub-forum is for that.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are they going to survive and why would anyone seriously propose living without having meaningful relationships with women ?
BingoBoingo: -"We're not obsessed with notch-count, we don't define our worth as men in terms of “success” or “approval” by women. Plenty of great men with actual value (AV) don't necessarily have sexual market value (SMV) and don't care. Being a better man happens in “Living the Best Life”."- << Sounds like a job for BtcAlpha
mircea_popescu: what's this, like some sort of monastic orders ?
BingoBoingo: Sounds like it.
mircea_popescu: how does it sound like a job for btcalpha ?
mircea_popescu: Action: Many of us were fumbling around in the blue-pill wilderness for decades. Why let another poor soul languish in the Matrix to go around getting rejected, orbit around a land whale for years, getting talked into a marriage he doesn't want or need, be brainwashed by feminism to think his purpose in life is to serve a woman or serve society by being a beta-male slave, having his surplus labor siphoned off by women,
mircea_popescu: rugrats and Uncle Sam?
mircea_popescu: wait, what the fuck is wrong with people being what they are ?
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mircea_popescu: i'll never understand my contemporaries ;/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Sexual market value bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but you know the alpha is in reference to the finance greek
BingoBoingo: Maybe mike_c can use this thing as an intern gauntlet
mircea_popescu: "I’ve had sex with over 40 women in my past, during a time when there was no such thing as formalized Game."
asciilifeform: phun phact: 'sexual market value' afaik, as a phrase, was first coughed up by dan mocsny.
mircea_popescu: i never heard "over 40 women" before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '3 ani experienta' ?
mircea_popescu: sounds like it.
mircea_popescu: i mean... too little to be a lot, too many to be a few, wtf qualification is this.
mircea_popescu: "i've driven over six types of cars in my life".
mike_c: BingoBoingo: War of Interns. i like it.
jborkl: So is he banging grannys or 40 chicks
mircea_popescu: you can probably fuck forty women by being an assistant on a porn set for i dunno, five weeks.
mircea_popescu: "this one time in between jobs i ended up pushing around crates for this porn firm i nthe valley"
mircea_popescu: "good for you, i worked at mcdonalds".
jborkl: I had over 80 women but that was kinda gross and smelled like mothballs
mircea_popescu: ;;ud SMP
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smp | SMP. Stands for "suck my pussy," derived from one of Sophitia's special grab move in Soul Calibur III, where she takes her opponent's head, puts it between her ...
mircea_popescu: manosphere ?
mircea_popescu: jesus god this is like an entire thing isn;'t it.
mircea_popescu: Try as we may, convincing a woman that her sexual peak lay actually between 18 and 25 is always an effort in debating denial. For all the self-convincing attempts to redefine sexual valuation to the contrary, SMV for women is ultimately decided by Men. Thus this bell curve is intended to represent the sexual value of women based on men’s metrics, not as women (by way of ceaseless social engineering) would like to def
mircea_popescu: ine desirability.
mircea_popescu: uh. this is fucking nonsense. for one, why 18, exactly ?! for the other... meh. it's a good time to start training a woman, but doubtless you'll get her anywhere pleasant before late twenties.
mircea_popescu: s/doubtless/doubtful
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay incidentally, where do you find them ? // for srs?
mircea_popescu: benkay yea ?
benkay: america
jborkl: Women?
mircea_popescu: benkay so are you going to end up like ostracized @work and eventually gasenwagen't ?
benkay: nigga pleez
benkay: i *am* the ostracizer.
benkay: oh ho ho
benkay: mircea_popescu going down the mra rathole
benkay: lololol bitcoin drama pales
mircea_popescu: benkay i had no idea teh 2000s pua lulz ended up quite so... berthy.
benkay: berthy?
mircea_popescu: well it's not ellaborate, not really. it's not deep, it's not complex. all it is is... berthy. as in wide.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck are they going to survive and why would anyone seriously propose living without having meaningful relationships with women ? // dunno man its a joy apparently few american guys en...joy
benkay: hah okay i'm chuckled.
mircea_popescu: anyway, used to lulz with the girls at this thing a decade ago. back then it was like a sort of you know, bambi
mircea_popescu: sorta falling all over its own legs.
benkay: derpaly derpaly doo
mircea_popescu: go around do other things, turn back, now it's a hippo.
mircea_popescu: a 4500 lb hippo
benkay: hoompa loompa dorp
mircea_popescu: aaaanyways.
benkay: wait - that's all the log i get?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mozart being accused of being so pop-sounding by some goffy teenager in 1781 was nearly as amused
benkay: i gotta find more and better i guess
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mircea_popescu: this drama is almost btc-level good
benkay: k i've got mircea_popescu distracted y'all
benkay: let's nefarious a something
mircea_popescu: ;;ud MGTOW
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MGTOW | Men/Man Going Their Own Way. MGTOW is basically the statement of self- ownership and saying that only you have the right to decide what your goals i...
mircea_popescu: this needs a 5 letter acronym nao.
benkay: no it needs 5 thousand trilema words
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mircea_popescu: benkay what the fuck am i going to write about it ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much only lol comes to mind.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud fundie
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FUNDIE | The brain of the "Christian" fundie, while generally underdeveloped and often host of outlandish delusions, has a large capacity for memorization of Bible verses ...
benkay: hey danielpbarron that's you!
mircea_popescu: i thought it was supposed to be someone with a trust fund
benkay: i don't think urban dictionary populators have much contact with trust fund babie.
benkay: babies*
mircea_popescu: yeah, what people with money sit around on the internet all day.
benkay: deliberately misconstrue harder
benkay: what redditard has contact with actual capital.
mircea_popescu: don't they go to pg's house once each year to eat ramen out of golden bowls ?
benkay: they also practice celling sereal
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mircea_popescu: someone should do a map of the internet. not the bullshit nobody cares about corps like google and pinterest,
mircea_popescu: but the actual places where usg enters the system.
mircea_popescu: count active "feminist" outlets and compare with "manosphere" for headcount.
mircea_popescu: see if there's more tech geeks than body builders
mircea_popescu: "Feminists like to use the presence of anger and sadness as a sign that the manosphere is a sad, terrible place." << lol yeah, because that's the feminist way : project patriarchy ideas opressing you outward. men should hate themselves for being angry just like we do!!11
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu do you know about timelocks (in btc txs)?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of these various and sundry internet groups are mefiant/angry with bitcoin for the yarvin reason : they poured their energy into a different obscure thing, and what is this bitcoin to succeed exactly the way they had hoped their thing to succeed!
mircea_popescu: it's like knocking a woman up and moving to suburbia to have a perfect ballerina daughter only to end up with a braindamaged kid while the next door neighbour "gets" the ballerina.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what specifically ?
mircea_popescu: there's a nlock variable you can set in any tx
thestringpuller: simple use case: trust fund. guy wants to give someone money in the future, but only wants that person to unlock that transaction at some future block height f
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure this is possible.
thestringpuller: so the benefactor signs tx with n lock variable
thestringpuller: and then gives tx to the beneficiary
thestringpuller: however who is to say benefactor isn't malicious
thestringpuller: couldn't the benefactor double spend before block height f
thestringpuller: thus beneficiary never receives his fund?
mircea_popescu: nah, tx wouldn't be accepted.
thestringpuller: but if the tx with the n-lock is never announced, how would any node know?
mircea_popescu: "Feminism, on the other hand, has no problem using violence against their ideological enemies’ free speech, men who make lame jokes, men who approach a woman wrong, men who don’t look attractive the next morning, and so on. Of course, this is all violence done by the state, so it’s technically not violence."
mircea_popescu: lol what sort of bs is this ? what, specifically, can "feminism" do ?
thestringpuller: the benefactor could make a new tx without nlock and send the unspent outputs elsewhere no?
thestringpuller: unless I'm missing something
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller once the nlock tx is into the chain, the btc is on the dest address, and that address can't sign a standard tx until the nlock expires
mircea_popescu: "The manosphere is not an exclusive club. It will have its dark corners and violent people, like any large movement that protests something. And sexually frustrated beta male rage could just be the dark side of masculinity. It is uncomfortable for MRAs, the way cuckoldry, hypergamy and false accusations are uncomfortable for feminists."
thestringpuller: hmm? "nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block." << i thought this meant that the tx with the nlock cannot be accepted into the block chain until said block heigh has arrived/passed?
mircea_popescu: how is feminism uncomfortable with any of those ?!
asciilifeform: what, specifically, can "feminism" do << s/feminism/usg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not nearly the same.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: actually, i don't know a single feminist, actual, honest fmeinist in a place of power within the usg. not one.
asciilifeform: not entirely unlike the relation of, e.g. marxism to ussr
asciilifeform: part of the official catechism
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller hm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so name a marxist in power in the ussr.
mircea_popescu: afaik the only one ended up with a pickaxe in his eye socket.
asciilifeform: precisely this - you don't need one
asciilifeform: hence axe.
mircea_popescu: right. so feminism is about as powerful as astrology.
asciilifeform: 'believers' tend to make a hash of things.
asciilifeform: as a kind of decorative slipcover for policy that 'must happen anyway', it works just the same.
asciilifeform: 'astrologist said now's a good time to shoot the prisoners.'
asciilifeform: not that they'd have walked sans astrologist.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually lol, nlocktime only works until block 500mn.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it seems you are right : one could doublespend a nlocktime tx after all, making it kinda useless in practice.
asciilifeform: the original inspiration for the 'mra' folks was possibly the invalid 'community', where the nuttier ones actually thought that, e.g. being legless only sucks because of a 'conspiracy' of the two-legged
mircea_popescu: this was a thing ?
asciilifeform: still is
asciilifeform: ;;google deaf community cochlear implants
gribble: The Cochlear Implant Controversy - Daily Kos: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/17/1256259/-The-Cochlear-Implant-Controversy>; Cochlear implants change deaf culture as importance of American ...: <http://www.dailyillini.com/features/article_5dff0baa-b080-11e2-afb5-001a4bcf6878.html>; Sound and Fury - Cochlear Implants - The Debate - PBS: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: 'oh noez they're holocausting us by curing deafness'
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
mircea_popescu: i guess this is perversely a sign of health.
mircea_popescu: a sort of intellectual stotting behaviour, where any idiocy is argued in all seriousness.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall a documented case where deaf women sued for the right to 'in vitro' select deaf samples from a set of foeti
mircea_popescu: did they win ?
asciilifeform: this kind of thing, in other variants, is pretty big in usa. for instance, pretty much nobody births a down's syndrome case any more other than deliberately.
asciilifeform: did they win << don't recall, couldn't be bothered
asciilifeform: i like to refer to these folks as 'elphialtes's army'
asciilifeform: specifically the fellow as portrayed in the film '300 spartans'
cazalla: there are downie groups calling for downie rights too
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cazalla: cause downie birth rates dropped by something like 95% or something
mircea_popescu: cazalla hopefully including the right to 4.0 gpa ?
asciilifeform: many other cases of severely brainless are also created artificially - by rescuing 'super' premature infants, for example (at tremendous cost to the taxpayer, even before they enter the welfare system)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's legitimate researchg tho.
cazalla: as retards became an even smaller minority, this shit started popping up as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T549VoLca_Q
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asciilifeform: research is when there is something useful to be learned
mircea_popescu: you only know that retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: moon landing also tremendous cost to the taxpayer.
asciilifeform: what herr mengele, or japanese 'unit 731' did - was considerably more valuable scientifically.
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mircea_popescu: most expensive useless rocks ever.
asciilifeform: people still cite the german cold weather experiment data.
mircea_popescu: wasn't run by mengele.
asciilifeform: they usually pinch their nose in an obligatory gesture of kowtow to taboo, but they cite.
asciilifeform: wasn't run by mengele >> true. but somehow he became 'poster boy'
mircea_popescu: the dood was too busy doing fucktarded shit like random foreign body implants
asciilifeform: much as karpeles didn't personally handle every btc derpatron
mircea_popescu: s not go by the posters.
asciilifeform: but remains an emblem
mircea_popescu: of mtgox tho., which he did run.
mircea_popescu: not of say intersangro
asciilifeform: but of btc-themed derpitude as a field, no ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> many other cases of severely brainless are also created artificially - by rescuing 'super' premature infants, for example (at tremendous cost to the taxpayer, even before they enter the welfare system) << Similar area, Ultra Geriatrics. How long can a nonegenarian fight a fungal UTI withou amphoterrible B? This happens prolly hundereds to thousands of times a year. If only people collated results.
asciilifeform: you get figures like mengele (or a considerably more destructive, though lesser known, trofim lysenko) when barriers around some field are demolished en masse and field is thrown to the mercy of cranks (say, by revolution)
asciilifeform: sometimes you get clever folks who finally get to 'do their thing'
asciilifeform: more often you get lysenko, lepeshinskaya (exercise for the reader: who was she? why) and a thousand similar creatures
asciilifeform: to continue the 'medical' theme - it's rather like an immunodeficient collapse of organism
asciilifeform: suddenly fungi grow in places where no one has even conceived of before
BingoBoingo: In the immunodefficient fungi are often a greater threat than bacteria
asciilifeform: referring here to the appearance of powerful cranks
BingoBoingo: Oh I'm just throwing out noise
BingoBoingo: Trying to summon vexual
assbot: When the Cranks Rule
asciilifeform: ^ prof. dutch on the subject
BingoBoingo: Maybe vexual in ninjaspamzor may be aimed at each other some day
asciilifeform: (same fellow who wrote 'why does anti-intellectualism exist')
asciilifeform: ^ with the planar symmetry groups.
asciilifeform: incidentally, (as school project!) i once went to the u.s. national library of medicine and had them dig up for me ancient, yellow copies of lysenko's complete works. and read them.
asciilifeform: reads just like modern pheminist etc. crapola.
asciilifeform: shannonizer output.
asciilifeform: (evidently when these people had staff 'sovietologists' they dutifully preserved everything. even this used toilet paper.)
asciilifeform: i still have the xeroxes. epic garbage.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the things I xerox'd as an undergrad.
BingoBoingo: Well, not xerox'd the copy machines charged. The printers didn't so... sheetfed scanner to giant tiff, portable hdd to computer lab
asciilifeform: tiff << lol! '90s macs!?
assbot: Rising Use of Encryption Foiled the Cops a Record 9 Times in 2013 | Threat Level | WIRED
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, windows 2k was what the library computers with the scanners ran
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my local uni library has finally surrendered and installed a proper - free of charge - book scanner
BingoBoingo: Took ~2 years for the school to discover this exploit in the systen
asciilifeform: because everybody owns a spy camera anyway
asciilifeform: no more need for 'minox'
asciilifeform: (a 'book scanner' has a v-shaped cavity, rather than flat glass)
BingoBoingo: I've went to library school and never seen a proper one.
asciilifeform: they used to be fairly expensive
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asciilifeform: generally found in places where no one counts the money, and everyone pisses on copyrasty laws - e.g. military labs.
BingoBoingo: With my limited exposure to computing before college (Mac OS 6&7, Dos 3.3, Windows 3.1) The first year or so I thought print to Tiff was a neat workaround....
asciilifeform: '$workaround is free if your time is worth nothing'
BingoBoingo: EBSCO, JSTOR, and ProjectMuse at the time were the prefered sources for things to fill the binders.
BingoBoingo: Cleansing papers maybe one binder has survived the purges.
BingoBoingo: At some point I discovered print to .dvi and .ps saved so much
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BingoBoingo: It was a real come to jesus moment when I realized disk is cheaper than shelves
asciilifeform: Encryption Foiled the Cops << example of hierarchy of power in action. the local doughnut eaters don't get access to the manufacturer backdoor. unless it suits the crown for one reason or another.
asciilifeform: just as they don't get aircraft carriers
asciilifeform: or (until quite recently) - encrypted radios
asciilifeform: being as the local stuffed uniforms are the first to 'go free agent' in any imperial collapse, this is sorta basic.
BingoBoingo: Every now and then "people have problems" which seem to reinforce agency heirarchy
BingoBoingo: ;;google Molly Young lawsuit Illinois
asciilifeform: "people have problems" which seem to reinforce agency heirarchy << interesting examples abound. consider the u.s. grunts who were disciplined for wearing privately purchased ballistic armour in iraq.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, also safety agencies piss on safety agencies http://carbondaletimes.com/070314fire
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BingoBoingo: "The sidewalk leading to the front main entrance has a running slope of 6.2 percent, rather than the maximum of 5 percent." << lolz
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asciilifeform: gotta accommodate the legless firemen.
asciilifeform: can't wait for the mandatory wheelchair ramps on heli-gunships
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BingoBoingo: That will be a sight to see
BingoBoingo: Except for the blind spotters
asciilifeform: laugh now - cry later. things that sail off the 'parody horizon' cliff tend to keep going. until they hit ground.
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BingoBoingo: laugh now - cry later << This is the title of a fairly recent Ice Cube album if I'm not mistaken
asciilifeform has no idea what ^ is
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BingoBoingo: Oh he's the original rebellious early 90's rapper to film early 00's family comedies
BingoBoingo: ;;google are we there yet
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