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BingoBoingo: decimation: USG has been sending rednecks overseas since tripoli
BingoBoingo: Tripoli was prolly the West's last decisive victory over Abdullah
decimation: back then they had the sense to take them home at least
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #302 “Pirate Sword”
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cousin actually after leaving broke his pirate sword testing it against a $15 Walmart machete on honeysuckle in the back yard
decimation: if augustus were transported into our time, he would wonder why the us spends blood & treasure to "occupy" lands without expecting tribute or gold mines
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, it might have made sense if Blood for Oil was an actual thing and not a hippie chant
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #328 “Avengers Assemble”
decimation: my point is ... why isn't iraq New Texas with Bush City as its capitol?
BingoBoingo: Cause suckitude.
BingoBoingo: Arabs could have been the new Mexicans, but... Progressivism
assbot: AirBNB Logos. : Photo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.17800014 = 1.068 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: benkay: Wait airBnB ignores fags nao?
benkay: who's a what now?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, apparently airbnd is all about the pussy nao
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: What is the BTC/Meat price?
danielpbarron: one sec, I'll put up some new orders
BingoBoingo digs KoL account out of the abyss
danielpbarron: it's about 3`180`927 MEAT per 1 XCP
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Translate that to BTC or ATC
mircea_popescu: <decimation> my point is ... why isn't iraq New Texas with Bush City as its capitol? << same reason the eu didn't take on turkey when it had the chance.
BingoBoingo: Or I'll comprehend XCP if you quote spectral pickles as the underlying
danielpbarron: my equation is {meat/mr. a}*{btc/xcp}*{usd/btc}/10
decimation: turkey would be a much better deal than greece
danielpbarron: i get the btc/xcp price from blockscan.com which quotes the latest trade on the DEX (I think)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: WTF is this marketmaking based on precise calculations???
BingoBoingo: No, seriously sounds like a way to lose a lot of money
danielpbarron: well, the market cap of MEAT is less than 10 XCP so I'm not too worried
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: How much ATC or BTC is 10 XCP?
BingoBoingo: Can't find a good quote
danielpbarron: 10 XCP is about 0.04127 BTC
danielpbarron: if the DEX is even accurate
dub: fuck is xcp
danielpbarron: counterparty money (it's like mastercoin)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So how many meat for 0.05 BTC?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, 38`538`008 MEAT per 0.05 BTC
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I'll take all the meat then, post address
danielpbarron: well I don't have that much meat; are you saying you'll pay extra for it?
danielpbarron: I wouldn't mind donating for some mr. a's to get that much meat for you
danielpbarron: thereby converting my USD into BTC :D
BingoBoingo: Well, I want to help put this thing out of its misery.
BingoBoingo: But avoiding putting BTC into USD
BingoBoingo: How many BTC to kill this asset?
benkay: aw now you've gone and hurt danielpbarron's feelings!
danielpbarron: 0.05 is more than enough to buy the 24`541`500 MEAT that I have ready to go
BingoBoingo: Well, Sounds like the cap on this then is well under 0.05
danielpbarron: I'd rather do it on the DEX so it gets tracked on the top assets graph, but I'm not gonna turn down BTC if you send it here: 1MbPpiePrxuQLMeGZZJiYPbuta5farHyto
danielpbarron: I can send the MEAT to any BTC address, but it's probably best if you get an address from counterwallet.co if you want to trade them easily
danielpbarron: unless you're already running counterparty on one of your machines
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Send the meat to Atruk 947952eaf8724b41837f490a6e8049810399651cb2725c383a28f822b2350929 I want the actual meat
benkay: <BingoBoingo> How many BTC to kill this asset? // doesn't sound like there's much trading in MEAT's future.
BingoBoingo: All of it
danielpbarron: alright well i'm just gonna donate for some more meat to cover it again
danielpbarron: that's a deal if you want; I'll send you 27`000`000 actual KoL meat for 0.05 BTC
benkay: the misery persists!
BingoBoingo: Imma just spend it on spectral pickles anyways
assbot: Guerrilla Mail - Disposable Temporary E-Mail Address
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, Package sent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://mailinator.com - ancient
assbot: Mailinator
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bitcoin part.
BingoBoingo: thank you danielpbarron
danielpbarron: heh, just donated another 30 USD to jick for some mr. a's
BingoBoingo: !up VanCleef Ur welcome Dudebro
VanCleef: thanks bro
VanCleef: i miss this room
benkay: hey VanCleef how've you been
VanCleef: good thanks benkay bro, yourself?
benkay: casi casi
benkay: just successfully scripted a postgres install on ubuntu
benkay: flopped out of bed last night and threw my back out too, huzzah
BingoBoingo: !up hanbot
hanbot: ty kindly BB. was going to pester mike_c for the reasoning behind closing wol betting @ 21 blocks to game closure, as opposed to whatever, 50, 10, etc. anyone else know?
BingoBoingo: Maybe number correlates to buttplug size?
hanbot: lol whose?
BingoBoingo: Well, whoever is a size 21
hanbot: reasonable enough, i'm satisfied.
BingoBoingo: !up VanCleef
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Were you the NYDFS van cleef
kyuupichan: So why does bitcoin-qt sit forever at some blocks whilst catching up? WTF is it doing?
cazalla: my guess when it's happened to me is that there is more tx in the block but i really have nfi
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.9999 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.29142557 BTC. Current weight: 74,316.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 265 @ 0.00271399 = 0.7192 BTC [+]
jurov: <mike_c> [00:09:08] btw, jurov, that mid-line on the history chart what you had in mind? << to see more easily if it was above/below 50%
jurov: nm you added it
pankkake: ;;later tell asciilifeform I sold headphones. Tried to sold hard drives but no success. It's not very practical anyway, I think it's going to end up on eBay with a Bitcoin discount
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: tried to sold. lol. if only I read what I wrote
pankkake: freenode is really crappy lately
pankkake: ;;view
gribble: #21093 Thu Jul 17 04:01:53 2014 pankkake SELL 1.0 TB @ 25 EUR (Up to 6x1.5TB and 4x750GB hard drives #eu only because heavy objects, I prefer grouped order) || #21094 Thu Jul 17 04:02:10 2014 pankkake BUY 1.0 Firefly dinos @ 50 USD (Get it shipped to you, reship it to France https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/156d/)
fluffypony: hrrrrm
fluffypony: is bitcointa.lk broken?
fluffypony: no updates since July 8th
pankkake: ;;seen cedivad
gribble: cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 18 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <cedivad> Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.
assbot: Bitcoin News, Prices, Charts, Guides & Analysis - CoinDesk
assbot: World Bank Report: Bitcoin is a 'Naturally Occurring' Ponzi
ThickAsThieves: told you guys!
davout: as opposed to government-regulated ponzees
pankkake: "And it isn’t safe given hacking of it." "and on how to enhance efficiency and cut transactions cost" guy can't even into English
nubbins`: ;;later tell BingoBoingo we've never printed on rugs, can't imagine it'd be very nice
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: we do, however, cut rugs on the regular
jurov: maybe he meant to use knitting machine instead of print
nubbins`: i think rugs are hooked
nubbins`: i admittedly have no idea but it seems like a fairly industrious process
assbot: Jaipur, India: Silk Screen Factory - YouTube
nubbins`: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: incidentally, that's how wallpaper is printed in boutique first-world shops
xmj: Booooo
xmj: Google doesn't want me.
pankkake: in what way?
nkuttler: easy, become more attractive
xmj: was that what she said?
chetty: <xmj> Google doesn't want me.//lucky
assbot: BBC News - Microsoft set to axe 18,000 jobs
dub: if only they used actual axes
diana_coman: if it's of any interest to anyone, a bit of playing with the logs: http://www.ossasepia.com/2014/07/17/get-one-just-like-bitcoin-people/
assbot: “Get one just like bitcoin people” in Ossasepia
mircea_popescu: No better test to see text mining fail, it seems, than applying it to irc logs on bitcoin-assets: a careful calibration of state of the art tools yielded only a clear case of “by the time you figure out and implement everything needed to obtain even reasonable results, you surely did the “automated” work at least 5 times if not 10, if not 100.”
mircea_popescu: this is proof of intelligence i say
mircea_popescu: given the enthusiasm of text mining people << this is the enthusiasm of the doomed - it doesn't reflect anything on the direct avenue, but is merely the nervous laugh of someone who just got cut in half.
chetty: well to mine anything you sort of need to know what you are looking for
mircea_popescu: text mining people are among the few who appreciate the problem of text deluge close to its actual size, which is another way to say they actually know we're surrounded by uncontrolled wildfire. that they pretend like you know, pissing on it works is more the result of their psychological need to fit in with the rest of the crowd, that blisfully ignores the problem, than anything else.
mircea_popescu: in any case the end of civilisation is here simply because we've lost control of text.
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah. it becomes problematic when you provably can't know, yet you still have to. this is a macroproblem of "nobody knows wtf the tax code says"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu yeah, I kind of expected that, but as I said - it was more for the fun and getting to read all that + there is proof now out there
pankkake: shouldn't common words be excluded? I used to do that to IRC stats
diana_coman: pankkake, I excluded the most common ones
diana_coman: I guess it depends on what you consider common
diana_coman: I excluded stuff like "the" "a" etc
diana_coman: obviously, excluding some more could make it a bit better, but from what I saw, it doesn't get it too far still
pankkake: right
ThickAsThieves: as i read diana's post, it occurs to me how much this channel is like the Howard Stern show
diana_coman: simply because of the fact that the discussions really are pretty much about everything and in all forms and shapes
ThickAsThieves: mp is Stern, providing most content
ThickAsThieves: while friends like Robin and baba incite it
ThickAsThieves: nubbins, me, ascii, etc
ThickAsThieves: we even have the sexual bent
ThickAsThieves: in the content
ThickAsThieves: Stern also had similar standards for guests of the show
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what standards are those ?
diana_coman: ThickAsThieves it clearly is driven mainly by a few people
mircea_popescu: o nm, i misread
ThickAsThieves: like he'd try to get certain people on
ThickAsThieves: and wouldnt allow some
ThickAsThieves: and enjoyed company of sluts
chetty: haha the b-a reality show, comming soon
mircea_popescu: lol. and had wild hair.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves can you summarize them standards ?
ThickAsThieves: shit i havent watched/listened in years
ThickAsThieves: surely google can help
ThickAsThieves: his movie is pretty good too, if you havent seen it
mircea_popescu: pankkake actually if i had to somehow do what she's trying to do, i'd cheat : get the words put into !s and ;;ud, look three lines prior for the sentence they appear in, build the sentence tree and then use that grammatical pattern on the whole log.
mircea_popescu: extract all words which work syntactically in the same manner as the searched terms.
dub: all I remember is the awful scene with that chick raping a woofer
mircea_popescu: because what the search does is it says "this is an important AND OBSCURE" term.
mircea_popescu: whereas you want to see important and anti-obscure words.
ThickAsThieves: dub it was indeed memorable
mircea_popescu: dub you know that's what i know of stern too ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, he also had a girl that fucked her mother on once ? or what was it ?
ThickAsThieves: he had all kindsa shit like that
ThickAsThieves: geez, Stern is 60?
dub: that and he's weird al's doppleganger
diana_coman: mircea_popescu uhm, the structures did not seem so uniform, but it could be worth a try
mircea_popescu: dub nah, weird al is all fat. stern looks more like zappa imo
assbot: FCC fines of The Howard Stern Show - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: !s diana_coman
ThickAsThieves: what brings you here diana_coman?
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, wikipedia has a page dedicated to "fcc fines stern" ?! ahahah.
ThickAsThieves: you are behind MP, you need an SEC fine page
diana_coman: ThickAsThieves curiosity mainly; I've been around for a while, but I don't talk much
ThickAsThieves: or, hell, FCC too
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
mircea_popescu: !up andreas__
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, i don't. i'd much rather google spit out trilema than wikipedia.
ThickAsThieves: true, i guess we can always detail your exploits in the b-a wiki
mircea_popescu: hm i guess this is actually open for some comparison.
mircea_popescu: hey everyone that is awake : please put in a list of five words that you'd estimate are the key terms for [your interest of] b-a
mircea_popescu: then we can actually score how well the computer did.
dub: scam scam scam scam and scam
chetty: people have 'fixed' interests like that?
ThickAsThieves: i cant do it without losing context
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah, as i said that i was sitting here going wtf i have nfi what i should write now.
mircea_popescu: this is what i get for being impulsive.
ThickAsThieves: like i could just say bitcoin, or mircea_popescu
pankkake: surprising that scam wasn't one of the top words
mircea_popescu: i mean something like ipo ceo scam mpex bitbet i guess, but wtf. i have no idea i'll be interested in what ppl say BEFORE they say it.
pankkake: scam, troll, tits, slander, ?
diana_coman: ThickAsThieves that's what the computer said!
pankkake: scam, troll, tits, slander, AMAZING
dub: computer says no
chetty: thats the whole thing, data is nothing without context
mircea_popescu: AMAZING COMPANY!
ThickAsThieves: but really it's mor elike: bitcoin current affairs & discourse
mircea_popescu: someone should send dub a viking hat anyway.
dub: it wouldnt fit over my batman mask
mircea_popescu: Viking-Batman Dub.
mircea_popescu: now that's a comic i'd check out.
los_pantalones: repartee peers encyclopedic knowledge logs
mircea_popescu: !s repartee
mircea_popescu: you lose :D
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/keywords_may14-300x253.png <<< the most notable thing i see here is that "first" and "last" have the same motherfucking weight.
mircea_popescu: do that on twitter/reddit/btctalk/coindesk w/e, it's all FIRST and LARGEST and etc.
mircea_popescu: and wtf is "mbuy
los_pantalones: why is "well" on here but not "welp" ?
ThickAsThieves: cuz no one says welp
mircea_popescu: imo it's the best popcorn pic ON THE INTERNETS
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you understand, this is based on the logs, it's not meta.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gabriel_laddel | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gabriel_laddel | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate gabriel_laddel 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: suppose you get to that hm ?
gabriel_laddel: Registering with gribble?
gabriel_laddel: Of course.
gabriel_laddel: I read logs+loper-os+trilema, I have not yet registered for my own reasons.
cazalla: lulz im porn.gif, wtf no img tags in comments? scam
cazalla: popcorn.gif i means
mircea_popescu: cause people would prolly put all sorts of huge pagebreaking shit
mircea_popescu: diana_coman users-by-lines is already in http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ users-by-words and per-user-mean-wordlength'd have been moar interesting.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
mircea_popescu: which also brings us to a disparity : "users by lines, last 12 months 2.) mircea_popescu 92547" according to kako
mircea_popescu: 's stats ; logs between 26 March 2013 and 12 June 2014. mircea_popescu 91479 according to diana_coman. well which is it ? cause these can't both be right
chetty: navel gazing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform drops from 18964 in 12 months to 16627 in 15 months.
mircea_popescu: chetty hm ?
chetty: just noticing the self absorbtion of a channel mostly talking about itself, perhaps b-a is becoming enlightened?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu at least one day got thrown out from the log data so there wont be 100% match
mircea_popescu: first, they mocked others, but i didn't say anything because they weren't mocking me. then they started talking about themselves but i didn't say anything because i wasn't there. and now there's nothing to talk about.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you mean cuz assbot didn't see it ? how did it put it in the stats then ?
kakobrekla: no, its in the logs it just that we couldnt make sense of it
mircea_popescu: you are making sense right now.
kakobrekla: on i side not, i figured it out now whats the problem but whatever doesnt matter.
kakobrekla: on a side note
kakobrekla: obv i need coffee. brb.
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fluffypony: yeah wtf
fluffypony: "Markus Weiler has invited you to view Bitcoin SARL's fundraising details on their Crowdfunder Deal. Check out their Deal on Crowdfunder.com."
fluffypony: just saw that mail
assbot: Hi, this is Ben Lawsky at NYDFS. Here are the proposed BitLicense regulations. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: awww y no kickstarter
fluffypony: twizt spotted that
mircea_popescu: Section 200.15 Anti-money laundering program << stopped reading.
mircea_popescu: no-anti-money-laundering is not negotiable.
assbot: Hi, this is Ben Lawsky at NYDFS. Here are the proposed BitLicense regulations. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: pay.reddit.com ?
jurov: fluffypony can you request access to see what dotcoin derpage?
fluffypony: jurov: sure
ThickAsThieves: dunno wat the pay subdom is
ThickAsThieves: " No Person shall, without a license obtained from the superintendent as provided in
ThickAsThieves: this Part, engage in any Virtual Currency Business Activity."
ThickAsThieves: merchants and consumers that utilize Virtual Currency solely for the purchase or sale of goods or
ThickAsThieves: services are exempt
ThickAsThieves: Each Licensee is prohibited from selling, transferring, assigning, lending, hypothecating, pledging, or
ThickAsThieves: otherwise using or encumbering assets, including Virtual Currency, held, stored, or maintained by, or under the custody or control of, such Licensee on behalf of another Person.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: wtf are these idiots.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking fixed volume deflationary currency. it can't even jokingly contemplate such an arrangement.
mircea_popescu: so what, this is the strat, "prevent bitcoin from raping the usd by making it unable to work like a currency" ? lulz. people will just move to connecticut.
mircea_popescu: this is roughly the equivalent of a license to build boats provided they're oar powered and leak.
pankkake: re boats, this is what the French gov did to Uber
ThickAsThieves: When a Licensee is involved in a transaction or series of transactions for the receipt, exchange, conversion, purchase, sale, transfer, or transmission of Virtual Currency, in an aggregate amount exceeding the United States dollar value of $10,000 in one day, by one Person, the Licensee shall notify the Department, in a manner prescribed by the superintendent, within 24 hours.
pankkake: "you might do your thing but you have to wait 15 min" then "you might do your thing but you can't use geolocalization"
mircea_popescu: pankkake lmao
ThickAsThieves: Licensees are prohibited from maintaining relationships of any type in connection with their Virtual Currency Business Activity with entities that do not have a physical presence in any country.
mircea_popescu: ah lanky guy behind a very short sixty dollar desk, how amusing you are.
assbot: 8 Million Vericoin Hack Prompts Hard Fork to Recover Funds
pankkake: I suppose reddit will say "but we were supposed to be friends"
mircea_popescu: "About FoxySoft. FoxySoft is founded by Alex Allen. Alex has been a professional game developer since 1997 when she began her career as an Art Director, transforming traditional board games into PC games. FoxySoft works with local businesses and startup foundations to create a solid business model and ensure stability in the company’s framework. FoxySoft’s combined talent and experience has produced such games as:
mircea_popescu: DC Universe Online Star Wars Galaxies PlanetSide 2 Magic the Gathering Everquest 2"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu re mismatch in number of lines - there are some missing in my data (part is what kakobrekla said earlier that I had to throw out one day due to funny things with the timestamps)
ThickAsThieves: well Lawsky wants public comment, so be sure to make public comment mp
ThickAsThieves: reddit is so funny
mircea_popescu: lansky is not important enough just yet to pick his venue.
diana_coman: as for words and mean length, I'll be back with it in a few moments
ThickAsThieves: all the commenters dont want to read it or think for themselves
ThickAsThieves: so they are all literally asking what to think
mircea_popescu: well it IS reddit...
assbot: Hi, this is Ben Lawsky at NYDFS. Here are the proposed BitLicense regulations. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like the part where someone tipped him three fiddy
mircea_popescu: guy actually has to file paperwork for that, which i bet you he doesn't know about and doesn't do,
mircea_popescu: which i bet you will result in a criminal complaint cca 2015ish.
assbot: Survey Results | Bitcoin Survey : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: that's the funny thing with the usg bureaucracy, the entire "make the laws too complex and then add regulation" thing used to work in their favour cca 1980-1990. but once that starts moving it doesn't stop, and now they're left behind.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever had an encounter with any sort of govt employee where i couldn't have sued him into the dirt if so inclined.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: what a great "DOS" type attack - do things such as tip them small amounts, so they have to file paperwork or be guilty of something
mircea_popescu: mthreat this is the problem of half baked systems. just like sm sites are structurally vulnerable because they misimplement the wot, just like the phone corps & banks are vulnerable because they misimplement crypto,
mircea_popescu: everyone in the old world is very, very vulnerable to a long long list of new attacks.
mircea_popescu: stuff like goatse and rick rolling are merely playful swings around the margins of the gaping hole.
mircea_popescu: take something as simple as swatting : nothing in the old world is designed or capable to handle distributed coordinated effort.
cazalla: swatting a bitcoin conference
chetty: hmm wonder if you could swat an IRS office ..
cazalla: now that'd be lulzy
chetty: dragon should be occupied eating its own tail
mthreat: ya but swatting is presumably illegal. tipping is not, so thousands of people could conceivably do it without breaking any law
mircea_popescu: mthreat it only became illegal after they caught on.
chetty: plenty of stuff they havent gotten around to making illegal - yet
mircea_popescu: but before they caught on... it wasn't. so what is this, bayesian spam filtering ?
mircea_popescu: done by hand by people who never got past 9th grade math ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 616.93, Best ask: 618.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 618.89, 24 hour volume: 5229.14362461, 24 hour low: 610.0, 24 hour high: 623.0, 24 hour vwap: 615.352893005
ThickAsThieves: china tried to rally but failed so far
mircea_popescu: i guess someone has to try and fail for the rest to get it. teaching without training is kinda dead in the water.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/994/btc-to-top-800-before-august/ this thing keeps growing but remarkably the odds stay about the same
assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $800 before August :: 3.01 B (19%) on Yes, 12.92 B (81%) on No | closing in 1 week 4 days | weight: 72`228 (100`000 to 1)
ThickAsThieves: oh shit, read Lanksy's definition of Virtual Currency
ThickAsThieves: it includes centralized
diana_coman: mircea_popescu updated the post with users by words and mean wordlength per user (per line), is that what you meant?
ThickAsThieves: so does AmazonCoin and such have to comply now?
ThickAsThieves: what about video game currencies?
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
ThickAsThieves: he excludes gaming platforms
mircea_popescu: does that count url as words ?
ThickAsThieves: also excludes reward programs and such
kakobrekla: so what you are saying is that im barely readable?
fluffypony: where is nap hex? he's disappeared :(
fluffypony: *naphex
indiancandy1: wassuo bitches
indiancandy1: wassup
indiancandy1: who wants 2 buy me a ticket 2 india
indiancandy1: il do anything
diana_coman: mircea_popescu yes, it counts urls, but that's not the top by wordlength, the title was misleading I guess; updated now
diana_coman: it's a bit of a hack so not terribly precise - I count non-words and then add 1 - I've used basic string processing rather than all the text mining shit
mircea_popescu: ah words per line. okay. also meant letters per word i guess
diana_coman: uhm, think that would be of interest?
diana_coman: kind of who uses the longest words or what?
diana_coman: can be calculated though, not big deal
mircea_popescu: !s hisb0hla
mircea_popescu: wow i had no idea.
diana_coman: that's the problem with the mean just like that
diana_coman: if you throw a wall of text once, that's it
mircea_popescu: lol i guess so yeah
diana_coman: yeah, that's why I did not put the top 10 initially
diana_coman: it's mainly spammers at the top based on pure length of line
mircea_popescu: can it be "out of the top 100 by lines" ?
diana_coman: sure, I've put now out of the top 10 by lines
diana_coman: can extend that, np
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
nubbins`: so if i'm understanding correctly, that text mining blog post is recommending that people pay attention to what i have to say?
nubbins` chuckles softly
nubbins`: ;;dict "fait accompli"
gribble: wn: fait accompli n 1: an irreversible accomplishment [syn: {fait accompli}, {accomplished fact}]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu updated with those in top 100 considered
mircea_popescu: ;;dict "faire minette"
gribble: No definition for "faire minette" could be found in wn
diana_coman: I've limited it to at least 12 words per line though
mircea_popescu: well i guess wn is anti woman then, innit.
nubbins`: always suspected
nubbins`: just printed a short run of these: http://imgur.com/6WlZear
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: webster's new?
assbot: faire minette - Wiktionary
nubbins`: lit: make kitty?
BingoBoingo: Oh, today is textual analysis day, but no hermeneutics or historicity?
pankkake: ;;dict "glouglouter le poireau"
gribble: No definition for "glouglouter le poireau" could be found in wn
pankkake: nubbins`: yes
nubbins` nods slowly
diana_coman: nubbins` more to when you say something than to what :p
nubbins`: diana_coman: i feel like i should dig a "beware" sign into the soil somewhere 8)
diana_coman: see, that's why: 'cause you care :D
mircea_popescu: so apparently a passenger plane got shot down in ukraina
indiancandy1: seriosly
indiancandy1: though
indiancandy1: buy me a ticket to india
pankkake: indian beggar and romanian scammer, could you guys be less stereotypical
pankkake: wait, I'm the French complainer
mike_c: HAHAH. (loud american)
nubbins` coughs, rubs eyes
mike_c: sickly canadian?
indiancandy1: becazuse
indiancandy1: i need 2 get to india
indiancandy1: and i cant afford it
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 forget your needs. focus on mine.
nubbins`: mike_c: sure, why not
indiancandy1: get me a ticket
indiancandy1: il do dirty things 4 u
indiancandy1: if u like
mike_c: omg. more than one word per line please.
indiancandy1: sorry dear
mircea_popescu: well, thing is... i don't really need you to do dirty things.
indiancandy1: im not only talking to you every other man in here
mircea_popescu: it's mostly women.
nubbins`: what has this place become
indiancandy1: im super hot and sexxy and horny LMAO and i need a one way ticket to india so
indiancandy1: who wants to trade ?
mircea_popescu: you done the begging video yet ?
pankkake: well, I need women to do dirty things for me, but I can't afford it
mircea_popescu: !up jakethesnake
nubbins`: pankkake: i need to send someone to india, but i'm a prude
indiancandy1: ur offering me 60bucks my ticket is 500gbp
mircea_popescu: pankkake if you find a whore, bring her here and then fuck her i'll pay for it.
jakethesnake: first time here -how does this wokr
asciilifeform: never understood folks who beg for airplane tickets. what do they intend to eat at the destination ?
jakethesnake: is this a bitcoin chat or what
pankkake: free food in airplanes!
nubbins`: asciilifeform: shit
pankkake: this is the bitcoin chat
nubbins`: with apologies to gabriel garcia marquez
jakethesnake: where you from pankkake
pankkake: France
chetty: hello jakethesnake welcome, and its pretty much a free for all most of the time
nubbins`: jakethesnake: it is a bitcoin chat, after a fashion
indiancandy1: well i can pay for my accomodation is you buy my ticket
indiancandy1: if i buy my ticket i cant afford accomodation
jakethesnake: is anyone working on bitcoin initiatives in africa right now?
indiancandy1: i have 750 gbp til the 10th of aug
jakethesnake: i've got a few investors interested in starting something but am looking for some bitcoin expertise to assist
BingoBoingo: jakethesnake: A what sort of thing?
mike_c: fluffypony is in SA.
mircea_popescu: jakethesnake you could start by reading the logs.
indiancandy1: mircea il do u a beg video for a tricket :P
pankkake: and search.bitcoin-assets.com
indiancandy1: ticket
nubbins`: indiancandy1 ah get out
jakethesnake: mircea - where would i find those... sorry for being such a n00b haha
mircea_popescu: a tricket lol
indiancandy1: baby dont laugh at me im upset right now
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 624.2, Best ask: 625.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 624.2, 24 hour volume: 6238.53812135, 24 hour low: 610.0, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 616.889309913
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 15k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
pankkake: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 503232.97 in 525 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -35.91
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 311181 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1298 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18420013228.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.25102
BingoBoingo: Both coins holding steady
indiancandy1: mp u have all that money come on whats 50 gbp 2 u
mircea_popescu: !down indiancandy1
nubbins`: i was just checking to see when the half hour was up
nubbins`: 8 minutes short ;D
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chetty: 20 rockets were found Wednesday in a school in Gaza operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: marquez << lol! that was my favourite line in the entire book!
nubbins`: such a summation, hey :D
asciilifeform: '—Y mientras tanto qué comemos —preguntó, y agarró al coronel por el cuello de la franela. Lo sacudió con energía—. Dime, qué comemos. El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.'
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mike_c: hanbot: The betting closes ~20 blocks early because otherwise the very end game presents situations that I think are non-healthy. same kind of reasons for bitbet closing bets early. the last open year is 979 because the last paid bomb goes off on year 980.
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: I read about your flashlight woes. Here's one to consider: http://www.fleshlight.com/classics/
assbot: Classics
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mike_c: this feels the same as "bitbet is a scam" flamewars: "[FCC levies huge fine on Stern] Clear Channel responded by dropping The Howard Stern Show permanently on its six stations. Stern's audience increased by 23% in Chicago and 22% in New York, and he regained the morning top spot in Los Angeles amongst listeners aged 25-54 for the first time since 1995."
assbot: White Wednesday - TheKolWiki
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danielpbarron: 12:29:10 <+BingoBoingo> http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/White_Wednesday << that's not the only time something like that happened
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danielpbarron: but Jick has a brilliant way of dealing with massive f-ups
danielpbarron: he just writes up a new storyline that connects the loose ends
danielpbarron: adds a new meat-sinking plot line
danielpbarron: like the time a bug was discovered that let any user create endless amounts of meat
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mircea_popescu: mthreat better yet, you know of a place in ba that sells that cheap inflatable furniture ?
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mircea_popescu: http://static.fleshlight.com/interface/3.0/category-tiles/1841.jpg holy shit now they've done it. fuckable lcd screen, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: no wonder yahoo is making less and less selling clicks.
Namworld: At that point, why not just go for full sized, fully 3-dimensional sexbots you can print designs on with a 3d printer?
Namworld: Guess we just haven't got good enough 3d printing technology and realistic human behavior/movement for robots. Yet.
mircea_popescu: Namworld because as it turns out, nobody actually wants the woman.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: japanese robodog has not replaced biodog. similar case here.
mircea_popescu: i beg to differ.
mircea_popescu: lcd displays + internet connection HAVE been steadily replacing dating all over the parts of the world that have cheap broadband.
mircea_popescu: add polyurethane foam in that mix, it's the end.
asciilifeform: dating - sure. end product - no
asciilifeform: not that it is impossible in principle - the tech simply isn't there yet.
mircea_popescu: feminists better yell loudly right now, because i can almost feel the volume button turning.
asciilifeform: herr mocsny spent most of a decade discussing this very subject on usenet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this tech is called "derp not giving a shit". this tech is here yet.
asciilifeform: replacement tech for bio 'product' has an almost inescapable attribute - very little resemblance to the original, in the end. 'airplanes are also birds, they merely don't flap their wings...' (russian, forget who)
mircea_popescu: it's the sad fact of the matter than if you do the nude math, a tube is actually a better girlfriend than whatever random town dweller may run into. that's roughly a third (of western women) of a fifth (western world).
mircea_popescu: confronted to this fact, women balk at exactly how fucking expensive it'd be to try and compete. "what, be fucking pleasant ?"
asciilifeform: ;;google danimal sexbots
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mircea_popescu: all that "lol at sexist women ads from the 50s" obliquely misses the point that "honey, that was then. i wouldn 't settle for a carbureter today, and i wouldn't settle for a 50s housewife only. do more. MUCH more."
assbot: Danimal Archive
asciilifeform: ^ grep for 'sexbot'
mircea_popescu: "Most present-day women would not be able to compete with future sexbots any more than most present-day women could compete with Halle Berry, if Halle Berry were throwing herself at you."
mircea_popescu: there you go.
asciilifeform: moscny was, admittedly, thinking of androids, rather than tubes.
mircea_popescu: because he was naive, and let his own mind guide him.
mircea_popescu: the average kid today doesn't understand why i'd have bothered with a fixed cabled phone at any point
mircea_popescu: and so he privately wonders why the fuck would i bother with a stable of slaves. "isn't it hard work ?!"
mircea_popescu: i am generally forced to admit that yes, "especially for you, it would be."
chetty: well I can't see why a woman would want a derp that is happy with a tube, let him go have his 'fun'.
mircea_popescu: "The real trouble was that the planners and accountants had failed to make provision for this work. The free women workers employed in the kitchen refused to do it: they were paid only to cook. The administration tried to foist it on to the guards in their off-duty hours when they would otherwise have been playing dominoes in the guardroom. The guards were all healthy young men, chosen for their toughness. But in their
mircea_popescu: years of service they had forgotten how to work. They were soon doubled up with back-ache, and they missed their dominoes."
jurov: http://www.autoblow2.com/ no need for dolls
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mircea_popescu: chetty because most engineers are men, and most bitcoin will be made by engineers (understood broadly).
chetty: I thought we were talking about sex, money is a different issue :P
mircea_popescu: you think ?
mircea_popescu: money and sex can not be different issues.
chetty: sure they can, not for most tho I guess
mircea_popescu: how would they be different issues ? they're both functions of knowledge and power. f(k,p) and h(k,p) aren't gonna be all that different.
mircea_popescu: (in the purely math sense : i'm probably going to be able to write a simple transform)
chetty: sad
mircea_popescu: "Look at how the Internet has overwhelmed opponents of pornography. Back in the 1970's, the conservatives who ruled some towns were able to wipe out pornographic bookstores and theaters. Depending on what town you lived in, pornography might have been hard to come by.
mircea_popescu: Today, the Internet brings every imaginable form of pornography to every home. The Internet is too valuable for too many things to just ban, and we can't even regulate spam that nobody wants, much less a product such as porn for which enormous demand exists."
mircea_popescu: ok, asciilifeform's link above is pretty sweet.
mircea_popescu: who is this guy again ?
asciilifeform: daniel mocsny aka 'danimal'
mircea_popescu: why isn't he here ?
asciilifeform: retired chemist (afaik), was a kind of mircea_popescu in the sense of playing designated torturer to a long-dead derp reservation on usenet
asciilifeform: vanished mostly without a trace some time in the mid '00s
mircea_popescu: "If marriage constituted more than a hypothetical risk of getting raped, I would expect women to learn to avoid it as women have learned to avoid walking around alone at night, or at least show some reluctance to get married, as women often show reluctance to put themselves into positions of vulnerability with men they just met or men they have gotten to know and decided they don't want to have sex with." << this is ac
asciilifeform: accidentally inspired (long after his disappearance) the 'manosphere' people
mircea_popescu: tually verified in practice. indian women are more than a little reluctant to get married.
assbot: » Danimal Archive
asciilifeform: !s danimal
asciilifeform: ^ i linked him here a few times, long ago
asciilifeform: (his surviving works, rather)
asciilifeform: !up Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: Face it, movies are eye candy trash. If people want intellectual stimulation they read books. There's nothing funnier than a pseudo-intellectual trying to get pompous about "film." << fucking hater o noes.
mircea_popescu: if people REALLY wanted intellectual stimulation, they wouldn't read books, they'd listen to music.
fluffypony: or masturbate
mircea_popescu: and walk around talking to other bearded men in sarafans
mike_c: 99.9% of the books that get read provide no more intellectual stimulation than an episode of family guy.
asciilifeform: mocsny wasn't a god. just an apex predator in his niche. naggum, al schwartz, mocsny, 7 or 8 other people - they each had a kingdom.
mircea_popescu: mike_c going by what, the nytimes lists ?
mike_c: empirical evidence only. what people tell me they are reading.
asciilifeform: mike_c: when someone makes an observation like this, usually they mean books that would still exist if they had to be hand-copied
mircea_popescu: i think less than 1% of the books i ever read were published after my birth.
asciilifeform: if ThickAsThieves is here: 'material that would make it past the mathic wall'
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is a good rule of thumb. and equally good in 1700 for that matter.
mike_c: percentage should perhaps be a smidge higher for an engineer, but i like it as a rule of thumb.
mircea_popescu: well you won't count looseleaf documentations as "books" would you ?
mircea_popescu: wtf engineer actually reads
jurov: certain bestseller endorsed by Governor of Canada comes to mind
mircea_popescu: THE BOOK.
asciilifeform: (for those who haven't read neal stephenson's tale 'anathem' - in it, there lived folks in specially designated reservations who were permitted only to think and study, and were let out to wander around for a few weeks once in a decade, century, or millenium - depending on what order they belonged to)
mircea_popescu: and if you do read the book, its prolly going to be something like knuth or whatever other exceptionally well systhematising works, which are again well in the past.
mike_c: stephen hawking is worth reading.
mike_c: i can't think of anyone else. you're right, 1% is good.
mircea_popescu roughly speaking despises all us style fiction, to the point of not actually liking most sf.
mircea_popescu: but that's probably just me being a pompous ass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that 1 book (mentioned above) is probably the only truly interesting piece of sf produced in usa in... 30? yrs
asciilifeform: one of those things that screams from every page 'this was written by an encyclopaedist who gnawed through the leather straps'
mircea_popescu: my problem with sf is more personal i guess. i think i have a very finnicky suspension of disbelief, makes the mayo cut extremely easy for me.
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mircea_popescu: (the mayonnaise cutting, for the readers that never made mayo, is this absolutely catastrophic event from hell.
asciilifeform: stephenson's piece is about a parallel universe where philosophy actually took off (in the sense of massive 'sharashkas' being built sometime during what corresponds to our 'roman' period)
mircea_popescu: here you are going nicely along, making this fluffy uniform complex sauce, when suddenly... boom. for "no fucking reason". it's bits. can't be saved.)
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asciilifeform: i used to real quite a bit of (mostly vintage) sf. 'anathem' mostly killed my brain receptors for this. because now nothing stands up, ends up giving me exactly the kind of indigestion mircea_popescu describes above.
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> holy shit now they've done it. fuckable lcd screen, seriously ? << gotta love the internet
asciilifeform: mthreat: the japs got there first.
asciilifeform: ;;google japanese sperm donation robot
gribble: Chinese Hospitals Introduce Hands-Free Automatic Sperm Extractor ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3CWLCoQu7c>; Sperm Donation Goes Hands-Free With the Automatic Sperm ...: <http://www.themarysue.com/sperm-extractor/>; Hands-Free Sperm Extractor: Zhengzhou Central Hospital In China ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/hands-free-sperm-donation- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: (or was it the chicoms?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this thing costs fiddy bux.
asciilifeform: trabambourghini.
mircea_popescu: you know ? fiddy bux. less than any conceivable bar tag.
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mircea_popescu: "DESTROYA Upon entry, three small rings of bumps will grasp you tightly, followed by the ultra piercing pleasure dome that will give you 360 degrees of unmatched bliss. The next chamber starts with a small row of teeth and fangs that delightfully rub and pull at you. Finally, one row of large bumps leads into a super ribbed texture that narrows the farther you get inside."
asciilifeform: rich man gets a tank; ordinary man - kalash; poor man - sharp stick. this is normal.
mircea_popescu: now tell me there's anyone in existence who's not rendered at the very least slightly curious.
mircea_popescu: A whole musical genre---the blues---showcases life failure. "Singing the blues" is figuratively what sexually worthless nerds do on Usenet, except it doesn't fly with women as unembellished prose. << o that's fucking bullshit.
mircea_popescu: the blues is the common man's understanding of the doomed human condition, has nothing to do with fucking failure.
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mircea_popescu: one doesn't get the blues because he can't figure out how to remove the delco cap.
mircea_popescu: one gets the blues because he worked ten years to make enough money to marry this girl that he really really loves, and she loves him, and now they're married and YET.
mircea_popescu: itch still unscratched.
asciilifeform: 'anger without enthusiasm'
mircea_popescu: in fact, sitting there whining about the delco cap is so unlike the blues they made a new word for it. it's emo.
punkman1: what's a delco cap?
mircea_popescu: punkman1 look at that, " You'll feel the wetness during penetration and orgasm, thanks to a lube reservoir that knows when and how much to release." they made bubblejet printing do something useful ?
mircea_popescu: punkman1 you know what a mechanical alternator is ?
mircea_popescu: under it some metal blades turn in step with the engine closing contacts to fire the spark plugs.
mircea_popescu: pre-digital mechanical computer as it were.
punkman1: didn't the blues start after the slaves became without a master?
punkman1: guess it wasn't as great as they imagined
mircea_popescu: lol nah, it existed prior im pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: "Of course I hesitate to argue as I am doing here for fear of encouraging xtians to have even more children and raising them to believe in Noah's Flood." << ironically, that's in all likelihood an actual event.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moscny lived in usa. 'flood' is to be understood here to be the 'fundamentalist' one, complete with mandatory drowning dinosaurs.
asciilifeform: m grew up in a 'fundie' church, and stayed in for some years after he no longer believed - to pick up chicks.
chetty: drowning dinos? never heard that one
asciilifeform: chetty: this, afaik, is the 'official' position of the various u.s. protestant churches.
punkman1: I liked this soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJXfkOlCLw so then I binge-watched the series, not bad
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to what ?!
asciilifeform: it was explained in his posts, somewhere
mircea_popescu: who the fuck picks up chicks in weirdo usxtian church
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> under it some metal blades turn in step with the engine closing contacts to fire the spark plugs. << Distributor cap
mircea_popescu: what, cause the teenagers there are really really frustrated ?
asciilifeform: the fellow who grows up there. until escapes.
mircea_popescu: i guess. where was this ?
asciilifeform: ohio, i think.
mircea_popescu: i guess i could see that.
chetty: A French judge has ruled against a blogger because her scathing restaurant review was too prominent in Google search results
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is rich, because succession : "Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills." "People often cope with an unsolvable problem by convincing themselves that somehow there is some purpose or need for the problem. Like it builds character or something. But when technology eliminates a problem, people soon forget about all t
mircea_popescu: he past headgames people had to play to cope with the problem. And nobody misses the supposed "benefits" of the problem they once dreamed up excuses for."
mircea_popescu: well which the fuck is it ?
mircea_popescu: chetty what a country...
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
lobbes: lol, and I thought I had thoroughly searched the logs
BingoBoingo: I think Malaysia is just disappearing and selling these planes for BTC...
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asciilifeform: the 777 was almost certainly carrying u.s. 'consultants.'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sometime in 2005 they made the mistake to promise senior pilots payment "in kind"
asciilifeform: (normally, passenger routes avoid spots where people are shooting SAMs)
mircea_popescu: so now as the public retirement schemes are collapsing...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course.
mircea_popescu: this is a rehash of that miserable rms lusitania bullshit.
mircea_popescu: "o the evil german submarines sunk a passenger ship kiling everyone on board
asciilifeform: classic example of u.s. armies scoring own goal for (somehow) good pr.
mircea_popescu: [which was loaded full of fulmicotton and tons of ammo, we're not saying this part])
asciilifeform: the 'consultants' could have trivially been delivered in some other way
asciilifeform: but no. load them into a passenger tub, so it can be shot.
mircea_popescu: the only difference here is that germany didn't have a bound border. russia does.
asciilifeform: see also 'tonkin bay incident' etc
mircea_popescu: but i guess "tactical" isn't a word anymore, and so strategy is a lost art.
asciilifeform: except this... is. the anglo strategy.
asciilifeform: 'what the beast until it bites, then shoot it'
mircea_popescu: i guess england is the only major player to not have tried yet huh.
mircea_popescu: germany and france are satisfied.
asciilifeform: fdr on japan, etc
asciilifeform: just how 'democracy' rolls.
BingoBoingo: I suppose this is when I start digging expedient backyard shelter...
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mircea_popescu: guy has a point.
asciilifeform: the interesting part is that we can infer that the organization fielding the 'consultants' (now cremated) is considered 'safe'
asciilifeform: that is, will not take matters into own hands in response.
chetty: well he is wrong about wall street controling gubermint, actually they are the same thing
asciilifeform: (by, say, making the folks who sent their men to a certain death answer for it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are they gonna do that ?
mircea_popescu: any "consultants" organisation of a decent size can fill an airplane with people who are costing it more than they're worth.
mircea_popescu: win-win, as they say.
asciilifeform: shtrafbat.
mircea_popescu: at some point cca 2012 any consultant with anything inside the skull started answering the "o hey, we want to promote you" with "o yeah ? who else is going ?"
asciilifeform: then we can infer that: either org is 'safe' (gelded) or the folks in command knew for a fact where the plane would end.
mircea_popescu: "in the interest of santa clause we can't say" "sorry, not interesed."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing we can infer is that the whole org is made out of people motivated through income, which means it's not really a threat to anyone (other than perhaps its employer)
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jurov: asciilifeform getting rid of people this way?
jurov: perhps you're among people whose your suspension of disbelief utterly fails toward self
mircea_popescu: jurov you don't see it ?
asciilifeform: jurov: probably not the main purpose. see 'uss maddox' and 'uss maine'.
jurov: what's there to see?
mircea_popescu: ok, let me put this to you. average us middle manager can't fuck his employees, because he's affraid of scandal. of the employees, at least a few would be open to being fucked
mircea_popescu: out of sheer boredom if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: suppose this manger now goes to work for me, and i'm "whatever, fuck them all in chains for all i care."
mircea_popescu: you're telling me he's not going to do it, becase "it's not done" or something ?
jurov: so he bribes the pilot instead?
mircea_popescu: the pilot doesn't have to know.
asciilifeform: jurov: what's there to see << passenger plane deliberately flown over SAM fire zone. shot. 'oh noez eeevil rebels!'
jurov: how does the pilot not know?
jurov: where he's flying over?
mircea_popescu: "mr jurov, we have a very important mission for you. it's to fly here : X"
mircea_popescu: (we're giving the people over at X your radio id, and they'll shoot you down. omitting to mention this part.)
jurov: that's the stupid part and risky as hell. if the pilot had half a clue, he'd leak something
chetty: and while everyone is watching this Israel is sending troops into Gaza
jurov: if that was military plane, okay, happens all the time
jurov: but relying whole plot on on civilian pilot???
mircea_popescu: jurov people take unreasonable risks as part of their employment ALL THE TIME
mircea_popescu: especially if the employers represent them as "standard"
asciilifeform: for one thing, we have no idea who piloted. another - pilots can also have problems.
mircea_popescu: this is why there has to be a fucking board of employment in th first place, otherwise people would happily STILL be sucking down phosphorus
mircea_popescu: and licking radon paint.
jurov: bullshit
mircea_popescu: look into the story of "undark"
jurov: tell me any other example where *civilians* were used in sucha way
assbot: Corporatiile si responsabilitatea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i'll have to have it translated.
asciilifeform: jurov: rms lusitania.
assbot: Undark and the Radium Girls Damn Interesting
jurov: they had no clue that radium is poisonous, how can you compare that with sending pilot into war zone which everyone is avoiding?
asciilifeform: interestingly, british gov. still forbids any serious exploration of the lusitania wreck.
mircea_popescu: jurov they had about the same clue.
mircea_popescu: the only reason that is notable is because the radium jaw is really just phosphorus jaw.
mircea_popescu: do you know what it took to move from white to red ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google phossy jaw
gribble: Phossy jaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phossy_jaw>; Uncovering the cause of "phossy jaw" Circa 1858 to 1906: oral and ...: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18940506>; 10 Deadliest Occupational Diseases in History: <http://www.humanresourcesmba.net/10-deadliest-occupational-diseases-in-history/>
chetty: deliberate medical experiments are a good example of putting civillians in danger
mircea_popescu: mike_c: this feels the same as "bitbet is a scam" flamewars: "[FCC levies huge fine on Stern] << it does huh.
mike_c: in the sense that there is no such thing as bad publicity
mircea_popescu: i think maybe what's at work here is, that "there's no such thing as deliberate character assasination when the people trying to do it are a relatively irrelevant, powerless and uninfluential minority".
mike_c: yeah, loud criticism from an irrelevant source accidentally boosts awareness of its target.
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: extra points when the message doesn't even make sense in a way readily apparent to the intended demo.
mircea_popescu: like fcc claiming "lulz are bad mkay" or reddit claiming "people not doing what i think are evil mkay"
mircea_popescu: mthreat omfg the entire building smells of pizza. MY pizza. brb.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00270106 = 1.0804 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Snowden: NSA Workers Routinely Share Your Nude Photos
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BingoBoingo: So... NSA has all the n00ds
chetty: time to raid NSA for keeping child pron?
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dub: BingoBoingo: but.. if you do nothign wrong theres nothign to hide!!1
BingoBoingo: If I've done nothing wrong I have everything to hide, because I wouldn't be cool!!!
mthreat: mircea_popescu: mmmmmm pizza
dub: so.. mh17 false flag op, 'murican bitbet on how long till muricans deploy?
dub: er
dub: extra murican there
mircea_popescu: yeah, how you gonna resolve it.
mircea_popescu: http://wcdn01.sexgangsters.com/static/hero/74_78_72_76_75.png << if anyone's curious, this is my current avatar.
assbot: BayAreaCoins +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BigBitz: mircea_popescu; you're one crazy man.
mircea_popescu: what now !?
mircea_popescu: !up BayAreaCoins
mircea_popescu: o o lol.
BayAreaCoins: (just fucking off with WoT stuff, but ty sir)
BingoBoingo: !up Peach
BayAreaCoins: Olah peach, so boobies??
Peach: lol
Peach: How much is offered?
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu is the dude to talk to if they are still offering that.
mircea_popescu: lol what worked.
BingoBoingo: !up Peach
BingoBoingo: Oh noes netslips
mircea_popescu: webirc split huh.
Peach: what are they asking for?
Peach: I don't like this, just-dice is easier to read.
BayAreaCoins: Peach ok so the deal was last time i was in here. For .1 you get a string of letters n numbers. Send a pic of boobs with that and the letters/number = free .1btc.
Peach: I would do it with it covering up my nipples but I'm not showing my boobs for .1 Bay
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Peach: I'm not showing full on boobs for .1btc
Peach: if I can cover up my nipples I will hold a sign or whatever, but not nudes.
dub: mircea_popescu: I just checked #bitcoin-camwhores, its avail
Peach: I made a dance video I will share for .1btv ;)
BigBitz: wait...
BigBitz: what...
BigBitz: nipples.
BigBitz: nudes.
BigBitz throws money at screen.
Peach: would have to be way more than .1 for nudes lol
BigBitz: Heh.
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
BayAreaCoins: O well I tried! Sry to waste your time peaches <3
BigBitz: is Peach a camwhore?
BayAreaCoins: Negative
BayAreaCoins: Just-dice mod who is actually pretty cute
BigBitz: but you're trying to pimp her?
BayAreaCoins: I just like tits
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 500209.74 in 501 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -36.29
BigBitz: I am an avid fan of tits.
BayAreaCoins: Me too my dude me too :D Figure she makes .1 and we see tits... win win
mircea_popescu: !down Peach
mircea_popescu: why do people think there's something to negotiate is entirely beyond me.
mircea_popescu: dub so get it.
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mircea_popescu: motherfucker what is wrong with assbot now.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whay assbot not werk.
mircea_popescu: halelujah.
mircea_popescu: well it took meanwhile
mircea_popescu: the !down peach is about 50 lines up.
kakobrekla: move to a faster country.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla omg hater on lulzgertina. it was prolly freenode being all slow!
kakobrekla: your net is slow slow i still didnt get your lulzgertina line.
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
BigBitz: !down mircea_popescu
BigBitz: Nice.
BigBitz: Bot knows mircea_popescu is the MASTAH.
BigBitz: !down mircea_popescu
BigBitz: NICE.
mircea_popescu: !down BigBitz
mircea_popescu: it dun work on l2 ppls.
BayAreaCoins: !down bayareacoins
BigBitz: you can't down me, mircea_popescu?
BingoBoingo: sha-256 d5c959a536771ac215bc678d788f41b39c5000223e653881d3892531031116c2
mircea_popescu: BigBitz not through this interface anyway.
BingoBoingo: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: :P thanks
BigBitz: !down BayAreaCoins
BingoBoingo: BayAreaCoins: Now you know the hazards of going down on yourself
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins so if this chick isn't a camwhore why exactly would you be pestering her.
BingoBoingo: !up BayAreaCoins
BigBitz: ( Sorry. I'll stop now. I'm going )
BingoBoingo: !up moiety_
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu um cause you got to start somewhere. She was interested. She had made a dancing video in Just-dice and LiKaShing tipped her like 20btc.. I didnt figure she would be down, but close mouths don't get fed (titties in this case. She had nice tits it appeared)
BayAreaCoins: Worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: worst angle a girl could possibly present herself if she's not actually a pro. simply comes off as a whiny entitled pointless bitch.
BingoBoingo: Maybe she just hashes her nipples to make private keys?
BayAreaCoins: I dunno she had nice tits in her dancing vid, but not over .1btc nice tits imo. O well shrug off that fail and keep on keeping on. More tits in the world :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 290 @ 0.0027 = 0.783 BTC [-]
cazalla: indiancandy1: malaysia airlines is running a special if you still need a ticket
kakobrekla: only seven buttcoins?
kakobrekla: but the flight is in sex weeks.
mircea_popescu: "I've noticed the same weird principle on soc.singles: the more a man needs a virtual woman, the more threatened he is by the very concept. Why is that? [Rhetorical.]" << for the exact same reason poor people understand better than rich people that they can't afford substitutes.
BingoBoingo: Gribble why can't Malasia airlines stay in the air?
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball
gribble: Come again?
fluffypony: ;;8ball can Air Malaysia go another 6 months without an incident?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
fluffypony: ;;8ball is BingoBoingo secretly a ball player?
gribble: Maybe...
fluffypony: vague.
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball did fluffypony have sex with his wife and two hookers
gribble: Maybe...
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball is fluffypony wearing his pony tail buttplug like right nao?
gribble: Yes!
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: woo hoo!
fluffypony: gribble is the font of all knowledge
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball was that lawsky fellow one of the hookers ?
gribble: You're kidding, right?
cazalla: BayAreaCoins, post dancing vid link at least
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball im kidding, right ?
gribble: The outlook is poor.
fluffypony: ;;8ball is everyone on the Bitcoin foundation seriously into little boys?
gribble: Maybe...
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball are the little boys enjoying it ?
gribble: Yes!
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: i guess gribble's one of 'em.
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball do you find assbot attractive ?
gribble: I doubt it very much.
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball Paranoia is healthy if it is for practical reasons, right?
gribble: In your dreams.
cazalla: !up BayAreaCoins
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball What about atcbot gribble. You know atcbot can get it.
gribble: Yes!
atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 208k@210 200k@202 45k@201
BingoBoingo: !t h Cog
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
kakobrekla: you prolly wont get it on hl
kakobrekla: !last havelock cognitive
assbot: These beans is shit.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell bitcoinpete You cut off my hashing privates joke early... :(
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: !last havelock cog
assbot: Last trade for COG on HAVELOCK was at 0.00160016 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: thar.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 314 @ 0.00268559 = 0.8433 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 455 @ 0.0026502 = 1.2058 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: !up VanCleef
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: My how the kingdom of loathing has changed since I last visited.
danielpbarron: yeah; they make new content on a monthly basis
danielpbarron: with other random changes at any time
BingoBoingo: It just seems... to have accelerated a lot since the last time I was on (roughly the Crimborg outbreak)
danielpbarron: I don't know what that is
assbot: Oxygen is a Drug Act Accordingly
danielpbarron: I don't play continuously
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It was one of their christmas events
BingoBoingo: Maybe '07 or '08
danielpbarron: sometimes I get really into it and log in every day to get the most adventures per day or whatever
danielpbarron: right now I'm not playing it at all
danielpbarron: I focus on getting #1 collections of items, especially items that cannot be traded or discarded
BingoBoingo: May short term goal now that I remembered it is a thing is to get spectral pickles to be my favorite food again now that the price has come down 10 fold from the last time I saw them.
BingoBoingo: Also to try these new seasonal ascensions I missed
danielpbarron: my main account was created before ascension rolled out and has never ascended
BingoBoingo: Ah, that was back before I had regular internet access
danielpbarron: 2004ish
danielpbarron: i recently moved into spectral picals
danielpbarron: pickles*; I was previously in ten-leaf-clovers
danielpbarron: april fools rolled around so I made the switch
moiety: see google added btc currency converting to the search box
BingoBoingo: moiety: It did indeed
BingoBoingo: I wonder when Larry and Sergey will come in here groveling for airfare?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Most of my playing occured in the spectral pickle factory drought
assbot: Stem cell treatment causes nasal growth in woman's back - health - 08 July 2014 - New Scientist
danielpbarron: the most impressive thing I did in KoL was get the #8 collection of FDKOL Commendations
danielpbarron: unless someone is sitting on a huge pile that they haven't publically displayed, that will never get topped (can't get that item anymore and you can't trade it)
BingoBoingo: I dunno really if I did anything too special
BingoBoingo: I mean last time I really played Kol was before 68749514392093b165be8c9c53df18107748fb18a50f0e4352fce5d0cfe56943
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00270336 = 2.7034 BTC [+] {7}
danielpbarron: every time I end up playing it again, I end up wasting too much time optimizing my adventures per day and it becomes like a job that doesn't pay
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The thing to do is get drunk and bank adventures for the next day while actually getting drunk so you pass out
danielpbarron: I'll just leave my spectral pickle pile in my mall store until the price moves up and then use that meat to back MEAT
danielpbarron: yeah I know about that
danielpbarron: it gets way deeper than that
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: What class you play as? I forget.
danielpbarron is a pastamancer!
danielpbarron: but classes don't matter so much anymore of you ascend a lot
BingoBoingo: ascending takes a lot longer post NS 13
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BingoBoingo: !up Basquiat_
BingoBoingo: Hello Basquiat_
assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal
assbot: linux-kernel - [PATCH, RFC] random: introduce getrandom(2) system call
dignork: asciilifeform: is hashing random input is inherently a bad idea?
asciilifeform: dignork: consider what a hash (any algo) actually does.
dignork: assume the following scenario, I'm generating random data by throwing dices, but I expect some bias: dices are non-ideal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://signor-antonio.livejournal.com/378722.html << flight plan shenanigans
BingoBoingo: dignork: You don't machine and balance your dice at each corner?
asciilifeform: dignork: the correct answer is von neumann's 'fair coin' algorithm.
asciilifeform: gives unbiased output at the potential cost of never terminating (in that case you know for a fact that your entropy source is defective)
dignork: asciilifeform: so compensating bias by hashing a bit more of the dice raw data is a bad idea I guess
asciilifeform: dignork: hash is a good way to close your own eyes on problems with the rng
BingoBoingo: dignork: Turn the six sides into two outcomes 0 and 1, but first make sure the dice balance at the eight corners
asciilifeform: consider sha2(0, sha2(0, sha2(0, ... )))
dignork: BingoBoingo: I'm assuming usage of cheap off-the-shelf dice
asciilifeform: the sequence will pass 'diehard' and whatever tests of 'entropic' you like
asciilifeform: without being the least bit useful cryptographically
asciilifeform: just as, e.g. the digits of 'pi' will.
dignork: asciilifeform: I get it, but if the data is really random with "small" bias, how hashing makes it worse?
BingoBoingo: dignork: The way hashes break is "collisions"
BingoBoingo: You don't get to pick what weaker value might collide without your tronger input
asciilifeform: dignork: two separate issues. one - by papering over the problem. two - hashing introduces a correlation between bits, that may be useful to enemy who devoted serious effort to studying the hash in question.
dignork gone away, a bit smarter
asciilifeform: note that that last part is (afaik) discussed - nowhere, by no one.
asciilifeform: don't look for it in the textbooks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Roughly spring 2005 that was in a discrete mathematics class I took. Don't remember if in the since resold textbook or not.
dignork: i thought about it, kind of partial reversal in case hash input size is smaller than hash output
BingoBoingo was roughly beginning the process of rotting his brain with booze at this point
BingoBoingo: The professor/underDean teaching also had a ~10 year CV black hole...
asciilifeform: rng designers very often succumb to the temptation to 'inflate' their output using a hash
asciilifeform: which is precisely this scenario - input is considerably smaller than out
asciilifeform: even assuming equal sized input and output - consider the set of all possible outputs of, e.g. sha2.
asciilifeform: for a given width of input
BingoBoingo: Professor in question was roughly a reverse Mircea, man dominated by wife
asciilifeform: it is quite possible (for want of a proof, i cannot declare definitively) that certain bitstrings can -never- get spat out
asciilifeform: thus, the set of possible outputs has a 'hole'
asciilifeform: likewise, given that (by design!) a 'cryptographic' hash will be computed in such a way that every bit of the input affects every bit out the output,
asciilifeform: the enemy now knows something about bit N by knowing bit N-k.
asciilifeform: exactly what he knows - i can't say
asciilifeform: but there is a nonzero amount of information conveyed.
asciilifeform: simply by the fact of the hash being in use
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asciilifeform: don't accept the above as 'gospel', study the design of a popular traditional hash and see exactly what i'm getting at
asciilifeform: as to how an enemy might proceed to put this hypothesis to actual use, see example of 'satcoin'.
asciilifeform: !s satcoin
asciilifeform: (frame the hash operation as a logical 'sat' system, work backwards to exclude regions of possible input state space based on known output bits)
BingoBoingo: So considering the partial UCL tear "No" on either of these bets is very probably free money up to the house edge collision http://bitbet.us/bet/883/masahiro-tanaka-will-win-al-cy-young-award/ http://bitbet.us/bet/739/masahiro-tanaka-wins-more-than-15-games/
assbot: BitBet - Masahiro Tanaka will win AL Cy Young award :: 0.04 B (27%) on Yes, 0.11 B (73%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`978 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Masahiro Tanaka wins more than 15 games :: 0.3 B (57%) on Yes, 0.23 B (43%) on No | closing in 2 months 6 days | weight: 27`828 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: !up AndrewJackson Y u kill Cherokee?
BingoBoingo: Ur basically 'Murcan Hitler AndrewJackson
BingoBoingo: Well, more 'Murican Netanyahu since the Cherokee were tan, but...
AndrewJackson: BingoBoingo - i'm not really Andrewjackson, its just my handle
BingoBoingo: AndrewJackson: Fuck you, that group accounted for like 1/32 of my ancestors
BingoBoingo: Not sure exactly because of cultural norms about breeding age vs. actualuality of the thing
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 211 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 6k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 311255 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1224 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18508732489.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.76277
atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 20k@211 208k@210 200k@202
decimation: asciilifeform: to quote Knuth on the subject: "There is a fairly obvious objection to this technique [using arithmetic operations to acquire random numbers]: How can a sequence generated in such a way be random, since each number is completely determined by its predecessor? The answer is that the sequence isn't random, but it appears to be. In typical applications the actual relationship between one number and its successor has no
decimation: physical significance; hence the nonrandom character is not really undesirable"
BingoBoingo: For anyone contemplating higher than kitchen oven temperatures, but less than barrel fire temperatures: http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/tandoorpt1pyro.htm http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/tandoorpt2pyro.htm
decimation: laster: "Sequences generated in a deterministic way such as this are often called pseudoranom or quasirandom sequences in the highbrow technical literature, but in most places of this book we shall simply call them random sequences, with the understanding that they only appear to be random. Being "apparently random" is perhaps all that can be said about any random sequence anyway."
decimation: not terribly satisfactory
BingoBoingo: Some would say that objection is a "political objection"
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
Duffer1: ni hao
Duffer1: r u china
Duffer1: most of the new parts are here today, case tomorrow
Duffer1: my old comp served me well, she will be missed
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Always
BingoBoingo: Though maybe in the tweet I should have included the canonical form
BingoBoingo: So who here hasn't written a requiem in case "wetware has problems..."
assbot: gandalf falls one hour - YouTube
benkay: who is this diana_coman?
benkay: ;;gettrust diana_coman
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013
benkay: wow
BingoBoingo: /me wonders who hasn't written their own requiem
BingoBoingo: Or has papers saying their cadaver has joined the roman church at the moment of death
dub: wat
BingoBoingo: dub: I have vices, my last minutes aren't going to be pretty. I want the mourners at my memorial to feel that.
BingoBoingo: Also you can make the song of wrath in the requiem pretty badass with some power cords, diminished 5th's and ending the whole thing on a suspended seventh...
dub: you'll be dead, what does it matter
benkay: hm this nydfs paper looks like a suicide note from the usg
BingoBoingo: dub: I'll still be a ghost and I'll haunt the shit out of you if you keep up this attitude
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: Catholicism does a lot of shit wrong like Brock style kiddie diddling, but they do some stuff right like giving the memorial service for the dead a song of wrath
BingoBoingo: !up transfix
BingoBoingo: !up Lycerion
BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: The song of wrath: A cool perk of Catholicism, or so cool it is the only necessary part?
asciilifeform: decimation: the suitability of a number sequence for use as 'cryptographic entropy' is not a mathematical property of the sequence. it is a property of the aggregate of the sequence and the world in which it lives - i.e. whether the sequence is, or can easily become, known to the enemy.
asciilifeform: decimation: to make this clearer: the digits of 'pi' pass every test of 'entropic quality' you can think of. except, naturally, the fact of them being the digits of 'pi.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: those pots:
asciilifeform: ;;google microwave foundry
gribble: How to make a crucible for a microwave foundry - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN8fQoXRyNM>; How to make a microwave foundry part 2 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwVTLdk5QwM>; Microwave melting of metals - Talisman: <https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/microwave-metal-casting.html>
asciilifeform: ^ similar design
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To tell you the truth what I really want to do is synthetic corundrum in my back yard
BingoBoingo: !up tych0
assbot: Intercepted Audio of Ukraine Separatists - Video - NYTimes.com
dub: dat oh shi- moment
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