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xmj: fluffypony: are you on skype?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00077664 = 15.0668 BTC [+]
wywialm: good morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00077664 = 5.6695 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: long time no see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00077515 = 17.1308 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 177k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21545982 = 1.2928 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00077664 = 14.0184 BTC [+]
benkay: !up Vexual
bitcoinpete: so the world cup experiment was fruitful, if costly
bitcoinpete: i like the 2btc min bet
bitcoinpete: that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets
bitcoinpete: the problem with the wc is simply the number of teams
benkay: mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff
bitcoinpete: if mp had created a rolland garros bet for every single player + halep it would've been the same problem
bitcoinpete: having bets on "advancing" vs winning isn't ideal
bitcoinpete: too many advancers
bitcoinpete: so nao: barriers to entry
bitcoinpete: as ever, a wise move
assbot: Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer To Leave Dogecoin Community; Calls it "Cult-Like"
bitcoinpete: lol BingoBoingo just saw that too
bitcoinpete: da redditz attacked me!
bitcoinpete: ok tired eyes, time for bed...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00077568 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ECU Dress Code for chess tournaments | Chess News
punkman: "regarding décolletés (in the US "cleavage"): "the second from the top button may be opened." And skirts may be no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knees"
punkman: why can't we have sexy chess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077638 = 10.0541 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Hive Adds Litecoin Support With New Web Wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0007783 = 10.8573 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00077906 = 14.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets << yeah.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> why can't we have sexy chess << i can :D why can't you ?
punkman can't wait for MP's Naked Chess Tournament
punkman: full of brazilian/argentinian booty
punkman: BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers. << actually there's an extra TH on coinminer
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 210330.52 in 1977 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -58.88
BingoBoingo: OMG they left already!!!
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 176k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff <<< :D try it out!
atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
benkay: mircea_popescu: mebbe later - in the meantime i'm enjoying the luxury of going to sleep at midnightish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00077906 = 8.1801 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up [Jan]
benkay: apropos of the bash bombs discussed earlier, my favorite part about computanium is how ls'ing in a directory with lots of things will cripple a server
benkay: can*
mircea_popescu: what sort of lots ?
mircea_popescu: unless the drive is shitty and unraided that shouldn't really happen. besides, you shouldn't have the kernel volume shared with userspace anyway.
extra: LTC confirmed
benkay: 40k iirc, and it was on a shitty cloud drive to boot.
mircea_popescu: ahahha what
mircea_popescu: $depth s.wol
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Bids: 20000 @ 0.00004100 100000 @ 0.00004000 500000 @ 0.00003500
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Asks:
punkman: mircea_popescu: too many inodes makes ls quite slow
mircea_popescu: look at that mike : it's oversold.
mircea_popescu: punkman with or w/o writeback mount ?
punkman: dunno what that is, but it's reading all the entries in a dir that's slow
mircea_popescu: (not that you couldn't call getdents by yourself bypassing the 16kb buffer or whatever fucktarded limit readdir does)
mircea_popescu: mkay, in sum : this problem is an artefact of using butter knife to mix concrete rather than any problem of the concrete.
punkman: fun tip: if you have a shitload of octopus, cement mixer is a good way to tenderize them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00077463 = 13.7884 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: Hi.
xmj: punkman: how many kg are we talking?
punkman: xmj, dunno maybe 10-20kg in small portable mixer, more if you get the truck version :P
xmj: hahaha
xmj: I wonder, how do you heat the truck version.
xmj: Flamethrower, because awesome?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33694 @ 0.00078134 = 26.3265 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Fight FUD and Scams with social media for trading cryptocurrencies
assbot: --- * ~~~ Professional Scamming ~~~ * ---
davout: pankkake: i don't see no twitter bootstrap, not investing
davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ?
davout: or to state the question a bit differently, what's the current market price of mining power?
jurov: davout: cex.io says one GH/s is 0.0075 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20501668 = 2.0502 BTC [-] {4}
davout: thanks, i want to do a rough back of the envelope estimate of what kind of investment the recent diff increases imply
davout: ;;calc 0.0075*20*1000000
gribble: 150000
pankkake: cex is priced rationally?
davout: ;;calc 150000*600
gribble: 90000000
davout: pankkake: what's your best way to estimate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.201 = 1.005 BTC [-]
pankkake: I don't know
jurov: pankkake is anything priced rationally? Not in BTC, at least.
jurov: S.WOL added to coinbr
jurov: yay for mike_c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00081608 = 11.9964 BTC [+]
assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.202 = 6.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19942857 = 1.396 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4073 @ 0.00082529 = 3.3614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00082369 = 7.4445 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: mewning!
assbot: IkmoIkmo comments on coming soon- GH/s price on cex.io will crash
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00081703 = 0.6536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081642 = 4.327 BTC [-]
moiety: 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
dub: trusting an LEC commit!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14406 @ 0.00081893 = 11.7975 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 252691.36 in 1949 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -50.60
davout: pankkake: thx!
davout: still wondering how i could get the closest to reality when calculating how much it'd cost to bring an extra PH/s to the network
davout: closest i can think of is take the current best rig that actually sells and use that as basis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00081385 = 4.3541 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i imagine it'd be hard to just buy 1PH, everyone does preorders, isnt Rockminer selling units for ASICMINER around now?
ThickAsThieves: Rocket Box 450G-490G 480W[shipping around 27th,June] 990mbtc each if you buy 4 units
ThickAsThieves: 1PH would surely be cheaper if you contacted them to make arrangements
ThickAsThieves: (cheaper rate)
davout: ThickAsThieves: i see, i'm not really trying to be very precise here, just a ballpark estimate for the recent ~47PH/s increase
ThickAsThieves: for 1 PH
ThickAsThieves: by my napkin math
ThickAsThieves: maybe discount is deeper at that size i dunno
ThickAsThieves: altough the costs to set that much gear up and run it for a bit would surely add up fast
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.56, Best ask: 561.08, Bid-ask spread: 3.52000, Last trade: 561.11, 24 hour volume: 9245.61146986, 24 hour low: 555.11, 24 hour high: 587.95, 24 hour vwap: 572.508947449
ThickAsThieves: the cut should be almost over...
davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, when i take the chart of currently available hardware and do the math against their cost (disregarding $/kwh) $1mn/PH is the lowest i get
davout: actually €1.25mn/PH
ThickAsThieves: lotsa dough
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin
ThickAsThieves: could work out this round for people, since the money may have been spent when BTC was worth %800+
mthreat: ACM world finals problems, https://icpc.kattis.com/problems
ThickAsThieves: "All you do is plug it into a printer's USB port, and the device uses specialized hardware to create a random number with 256-bits of entropy."
assbot: Mycelium Entropy | Indiegogo
ThickAsThieves: ^ asciilifeform
assbot: MaidSafe COO Reflects on Lessons Learned from Crowdsale
ThickAsThieves: "BitAngels, the angel investment group which was helping out with the crowdsale, expected mastercoins to comprise no more than 25% of the overall investment. Instead, Lambert explained, they ended up making up roughly half of the investment total."
ThickAsThieves: “A lot of people questioned why we would use two currencies, and looking back we [should] have used one.”
ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave
davout: full chart if anyone is interested : http://i.imgur.com/TpCGCOk.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0479 = 0.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081411 = 4.8032 BTC [+]
jborkl: well that was a derp move
ThickAsThieves: !up zoinky
ThickAsThieves: !up miaoux
zoinky: woo 30 minutes
ThickAsThieves: !up dR3___
ThickAsThieves: !up dignork
ThickAsThieves: same zoinky from tradingview?
zoinky: dont even know what to say
zoinky: yeah
ThickAsThieves: <---bitcoinassets
zoinky: don't recall the name on TV TBH, i know you as TAT from here and forums
zoinky: maybe if i saw the avatar haha
ThickAsThieves: word, i dont chat as much as others there
ThickAsThieves: avatar is kim jong un getting goxxed
zoinky: mostly trolls there idk why i chat there
zoinky: guess im easily trolled
ThickAsThieves: there's a few guys trying to be normal
ThickAsThieves: though some do FUD to get the trades going their way
zoinky: price droopy
atcbot: 20k@293 65k@280 35k@279 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00081411 = 3.3859 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (381 shares, 0.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048666 / 0.000525 (8328 shares, 4.05 BTC)
benkay: !t m s.wol
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
ThickAsThieves: yep, it took longer than i thought to get to 560, one more little leg down and then sideways with a slight incline til the auction (maybe)
benkay: !l m s.wol
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
ThickAsThieves: i thought s.wol was .00003, yet the asks are .000035 and up
ThickAsThieves: zoinky are you in the WoT?
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust zoinky
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user zoinky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=zoinky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=zoinky | Rated since: never
benkay: kakobrekla: assbot doesn't know about wol?
benkay: !l m s.wol
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
benkay: !l m s.nsa
assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00013 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!!
ThickAsThieves: benkay i suspect s.wol isnt fully set up in mpex for real for real
benkay: i do wonder about the ur-account on mpex
benkay: that from which all assets are pushed
benkay: and that to which all btc drain
benkay: (i dreamt about it last night)
BingoBoingo: Oh, I tagged the wrong autocomplete.
ThickAsThieves: "mircea_popescu:we scam everyone later."
ThickAsThieves: !up Pasha
jurov: ThickAsThieves I already pestered asciilifeform with that mycelium gizmo, he said it's some atmel satanic stuff, i then saw it opened and it was true
ThickAsThieves: satanic, as in, the rng is more like png?
jurov: the rng is hidden on the chip
jurov: it's one chip solution
ThickAsThieves: when the heck is cardano coming out, i already wanna know what the 2nd product will be
jurov: the 3rd, you mean. first one was phuctor
ThickAsThieves: well, hardware
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 83`843 (100`000 to 1)
ThickAsThieves: not much confidence there
assbot: BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas :: 0.57 B (81%) on Yes, 0.13 B (19%) on No | closed 6 months 1 week ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00081533 = 9.6087 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BitBet - Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup :: 0.33 B (44%) on Yes, 0.42 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 35`628 (100`000 to 1)
ThickAsThieves: yet i did
benkay: haxx and scams
jurov: someone used your addy to make you paranoid
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0P034F9.txt )
jurov: noooo
ThickAsThieves: bitbet selective scamming by associating bets wrongly!
assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
ThickAsThieves: trading log for a losing trader
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22779556 = 0.6834 BTC [-]
jurov: i was going to lament unmanageable bash mod queue... but kako emptied it :)
kakobrekla: benkay its not in the mpex api output
rithm: what is mixedmedia.pro
rithm: "your total marketing solution"
kakobrekla: jurov i noticed our bash acceptance rate is far apart :)
ThickAsThieves: ah it's a docs domain i use
rithm: silent stalker over here
jurov: tat paranoia++
rithm: the link it takes you to is sanitixed
rithm: fwiw
jurov: don't sleep with deprived. word.
rithm: this is hilarious
ThickAsThieves: don't sleep with deprived?
zoinky: I am not in WoT
ThickAsThieves: ah dont trade sleep deprived
jurov: Rule 1
rithm: but he's actually up to 12 from 6,500
rithm: in 90 days or so
ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional
rithm: unless i misunderstand
ThickAsThieves: !up zoinky
zoinky: how does one get in wot
assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
rithm: reminds me of rithm.blue/2014/06/24/confirmation-bias-a-blessing-or-a-curse/
ThickAsThieves: zoinky one sec
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
ThickAsThieves: jurov beat me to it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22782704 = 0.6835 BTC [+] {2}
zoinky: ok thanks ill check it out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02848654 = 0.5697 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: rithmblue is audio production? is there samples somewhere? i just see live vids
rithm: all i have at this time is live audio
rithm: studio is still being built
ThickAsThieves: cool, i dabble myself, have home studio, etc
rithm: well i haven't decided on the studio setup you can help me
rithm: i want 24 channels and analog but digital option
rithm: kinda want to be able to record to vinyl
ThickAsThieves: i dont use a board, just a collection of lunchbox stuff
rithm: that's cool because mostly everything i do i use my zoom h4n for right now
ThickAsThieves: my ADDA is an old MOTU cuz it has some particularly good chip in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6412 @ 0.00082025 = 5.2594 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: not sure what stage youre at, but for me the best jump in quality was getting that ADDA, a decent tube mic, and a high-quality mic pre
assbot: Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com
rithm: because i'm still building the studio (construction) mostly i do live stuff
rithm: live a/v events
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04789916 = 0.5748 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: cool, yeah you probably want more versatile stuff then, like a good mixing board
chetty: So this 'scientist' wants to pay for someone to prove a negative!
rithm: i got an imgur of my rig somewhere
rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
xmj: Maybe I'm having a day
rithm: halorig.com mini, Zoom H4n line out, splitter +headphones, line in to Canon Vixia HF G20
assbot: Which record type option should I choose for the information Im about to enter?(DNS Questions) Namecheap.com Knowledgebase
xmj: and maybe CentOS is just a worthless piece of shit.
mike_c: scroll down to NS record
mike_c: subdomain: seeds host: 54.whatever.i.said
ThickAsThieves: k i'll work on it
ThickAsThieves: that menu is probably buried somewhere else, i couldnt find anything that looks like that
mike_c: well, you were in the nameserver section
mike_c: which isn't quite right
mike_c: cuz that's for the root domain
ThickAsThieves: i was only there as a last resort, cuz the DNS secrtion only allowed TXT or CNAME
mike_c: hm
ThickAsThieves: it's all fucked up
ThickAsThieves: i shoulda just used my own DNS
ThickAsThieves: yeah it only shows A, TXT, CNAME as options... i'll dig
punkman: you are on the wrong page
ThickAsThieves: i cant find "All Host Records" like the support doc says
xmj: if i may ask
xmj: what are you trying to achieve?
ThickAsThieves: a subdomain pointing to an IP
mike_c: we are trying to put a NS record in therealaltcoin.org that sets the nameserver for seeds.therealaltcoin.org
ThickAsThieves: more specifically, where the fuck Namecheap hides such setting
mike_c: this custom nameserver is running altcoin-seeder
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punkman: there
ThickAsThieves: thats what i did last time
ThickAsThieves: which i gave mike_c a screenshot of
punkman: well youi need to run a nameserver then
mike_c: we are.
mike_c: but only for seeds.therealaltco.org
ThickAsThieves: i'll show what that link results in
mthreat: Final standings ACM world finals: http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/
assbot: the 38th Annual World Finals of the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest
mthreat: no US team in top 10
ThickAsThieves: (i did this yesterday) after i add info, this is what it shows for it: http://imgur.com/iHFPZli
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00082389 = 13.4896 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: there's no place that looks like the link mike_c gave from their doc
ThickAsThieves: where i can fully choose to make any kind of record
punkman: you need to make ns1.therealaltcoin.org and ns2.therealaltcoin.org, point to nameserver ip
punkman: then add seed, ns1.therealaltcoin.org NS record
jurov: ThickAsThieves: I had to look
jurov: and on Modify Domain screen
punkman: ThickAsThieves: does the domain use the host's nameserver?
punkman: well then you need to go there and add NS record
jurov: there is NS record under ADVANCED in the RCORD TYPE dropdown
punkman: yeah but you gotta use NC's nameserver for that
ThickAsThieves: i see no "advanced" in this window jurov
punkman: oh you use namecheap hosting for it
ThickAsThieves: in that screenshot, do i just put this custom IP in the ns1 and ns2 boxes and add that?
pankkake: ns1 and ns2 should be namecheap nameserver ips
punkman: do you see a link on the menu that says "Transfer DNS Back to Us"?
ThickAsThieves: it's always there, but yeah
ThickAsThieves: even if you use them
punkman: no if you use them it says "Transfer to web host"
punkman: maybe the hosting account menu has something about dns?
punkman: never used that myself
ThickAsThieves: jurov i cant find that window
punkman: yeah because you use namecheaphosting dns, not namecheap dns
jurov: menu -> manage domains -> click on domain name -> all host records
ThickAsThieves: doesnt exist
ThickAsThieves: i think punkman is onto something
jurov: which step doesnt exist?
ThickAsThieves: so i'm using their DNS, just not THEIR DNS
ThickAsThieves: or someshit
punkman: my domain with NC DNS uses DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
punkman: not DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM
punkman: which is what therealaltcoin has
ThickAsThieves: All Host Records now appears!
mike_c: thanks guys. TaT and I were not getting closer to the goal :)
ThickAsThieves: yes thx, almost done
ThickAsThieves: hoepfully
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18414 @ 0.00082389 = 15.1711 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so i need to wait the TTL time before checking if this worked right?
ThickAsThieves: 1800 is 30m if i recall?
mike_c: ttl is a suggestion
ThickAsThieves: how do i know if it's working, does an NS record show up on whatsmydns.net?
mike_c: what should happen is eventually you do a dig -t any therealaltcoin.org and it shows up
pankkake: you can ask the responsible dns server directly, bypassing ISP caches
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand either of you
ThickAsThieves: i can tell ya when i visit seeds.therealaltcoin.org it behaves differently now :/
mike_c: uh oh
mike_c: A record seems to be gone
punkman: did you transfer "back to us"?
ThickAsThieves: probly a delay in that?
mike_c: oh, nvm. it's there now. weird.
punkman: because now it has no idea what IP the root is
punkman: unless they've added some magic
punkman: *root domain
ThickAsThieves: the page loads at least
ThickAsThieves: but no idea if the seeds subdomain is set up as needed yet
punkman: and if you add it manually, then namecheaphosting can't update the IP if it ever changes
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: the point is not for seeds.therealaltcoin.org to show a web page. what should happen when this is working is that it will point to active ATC nodes (which probably aren't running web servers)
ThickAsThieves: i understand that no page would load (i assum you'd need to do something on your end for a page to load via http for it)
ThickAsThieves: what i dont understand is how to check if i did it right
mike_c: i'll let you know.
TomServo: *** ns1.namecheaphosting.com can't find seeds.therealaltcoin.org: Non-existent domain
TomServo: Is that your DNS server?
punkman: TomServo: ns1.therealaltcoin.org is supposed to be the NS for seeds.
ThickAsThieves: so should i add a nameserver in addition to the NS record?
ThickAsThieves: pointing to same outside IP?
mike_c: 54.x.x.x *is* a nameserver
mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p
TomServo: haha
ThickAsThieves: we're like new breed of plumbers
ThickAsThieves: where does this pipe go!?
TomServo: not sure, but it definitely needs more flux
ThickAsThieves: crack it open and see what pours out!
ThickAsThieves: "that's the sewage" "oh, shit."
Mats_cd03: ym is a nameserver
assbot: It’s David vs. Goliath in race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange | New York Post
ThickAsThieves: "The twilight of the rule-writing process — expected now in early July — has started internal discussions at Nasdaq about how to take advantage of the currency’s growing popularity, sources said."
xmj: hrm
ThickAsThieves: "Should Nasdaq officials decide to go forward, they likely will move quickly — exchange officials expect to create a regulated platform for bitcoin buyers and sellers in about a year, one source said."
assbot: Swiss Government Report: Bitcoin Too 'Insignificant' for Legislation
ThickAsThieves: i tried to do a lil promo for War of Life on reddit and got deleted, after getting 3 upvotes nonetheless
ThickAsThieves: must be a competitor modding
Apocalyptic: reditards at their best
jurov: does WoL have referrals?
ThickAsThieves: "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.00082389 = 2.3901 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: mike_c in the WoL Shares area, why not show first bits like BitBet does?
ThickAsThieves: also with current pop-up method, it doesnt allow copy-pasting an addy
Mats_cd03: i am tired of hearing about theymos
Mats_cd03: its time he gets hit by a car
pankkake: Mats_cd03: that is grounds for a twitter ban
ThickAsThieves: mike_c it's also hard to find my bets, maybe a search function is needed like bitbet too
mike_c: why can't you copy-paste?
mike_c: search sounds like good idea
ThickAsThieves: cuz the pop up disappears when i move mouse
ThickAsThieves: also the closed games have no timestamps or anything
mike_c: what? what browser/os are you on?
ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what
ThickAsThieves: also recommend a "previous" & "next" game link to chronologically page thru
mike_c: there's only one active GoW at a time. but i do want to add a list of old games, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23383 @ 0.00082161 = 19.2117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00082231 = 3.3624 BTC [+]
punkman: ThickAsThieves: think you broke it, http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ 400 Bad Request
assbot: 400 Bad Request
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.045 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082655 = 14.01 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Selina selinamartindale@gmail.com http://www.thinkkeno.net/%E7%8F%BE%E7%89%A9% - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04432367 = 0.8421 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: alright so basically i need to add all the DNS records that were in the host before, to the changed to nameserver, right?
ThickAsThieves: seeds.therealaltcoin.org seems to be working for Seattle
mircea_popescu: curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'seeds.therealaltcoin.org'
mircea_popescu: prolly in an hour or so
punkman: ThickAsThieves: do you have a VPS or shared with NC hosting?
ThickAsThieves: i think i fixed it all
ThickAsThieves: the only xfactor is the A records all didnt like a "." at the end of the IP entry, whereas seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS record accepted it
ThickAsThieves: the site loads again now too
ThickAsThieves: i do not have a VPS
assbot: 400 Bad Request
punkman: I don't seen any entries for seeds subdomain
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 324223.45 in 1913 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -36.61
punkman: %tslb
atcbot: 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.04228851 = 2.495 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 266666*.9
gribble: 239999.4
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 58333 *.9
gribble: 52499.7
ThickAsThieves: it's odd that the www. works but not without it, being that www. is the CNAME
mircea_popescu: you prolly don't have a * record
ThickAsThieves: the @ one?
mircea_popescu: no, the * one
mircea_popescu: ;;google dns catchall
gribble: Wildcard DNS record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record>; How can I set up a catch-all (wildcard) subdomain? (DNS Questions ...: <https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/597/46/how-can-i-set-up-a-catchall-wildcard-subdomain>; Is a wildcard CNAME DNS record valid? - Server Fault: (1 more message)
punkman: you need @ not *
davout: ThickAsThieves: both work from here
davout: yeah, you don't need a * record for the root domain
ThickAsThieves: should i remove the * record then?
davout: and if www is CNAME'd to the root you don't need it at all
davout: i don't really like to keep those around unless i need them because i want to have a domain-dependent behaviour
davout: *subdomain dependent behaviour
ThickAsThieves: www is indeed cname'd to root, but @ is pointing to the server IP
mircea_popescu: davout well sure
ThickAsThieves: which i assume is correct, only the root domain doesnt load, for me at least
ThickAsThieves: www. does load though
davout: ThickAsThieves: try from your mobile phone, disconnected form wifi
davout: dns caching is a bitch
ThickAsThieves: lol davout, incidentally, Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet
ThickAsThieves: so yours might break soon too
davout: "Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet" <<< does not compute
ThickAsThieves: look at link above
mircea_popescu: til .mp is an actual tld
davout: sfr is one of many providers
ThickAsThieves: ok it loads fine in Tor
davout: there's no such thing as "the dns for paris" :D
mircea_popescu: davout no dude he knows remotely the situation of dns in paris
mircea_popescu: dub's a noob :D
ThickAsThieves: well it was an inconvenient coincidence
ThickAsThieves: considering the only french guy could see it
davout: golden rule when fucking with dns : "test after changing the configuration, never before, or you'll be stuck with shit being cached"
mircea_popescu: "The get.mp site is a bit defunct as the certificate is expired."
ThickAsThieves: alls well
mircea_popescu: the steaks in my fridge are a bit defunct too!
ThickAsThieves: now i just need confirmation the seeds.therealaltcoin.org is doing what it's supposed to
mircea_popescu: davout or just floosh a lot
ThickAsThieves: so can i have an A record fors seeds. too?
davout: i just check the configs with a "dig A domain.tld @ns.otherdomain.tld"
ThickAsThieves: so it doesnt timeout when loaded in web browser?
ThickAsThieves: maybe pointing to text file of current seeds?
ThickAsThieves: or is that just pointless
punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190.
punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA54.197.241.190
ThickAsThieves: i dunno what that means
ThickAsThieves: alls well?
mircea_popescu: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 58366
punkman: I did dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
mircea_popescu: mine's ambigous
mircea_popescu: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190.
mircea_popescu: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA122.49.204.147
punkman: right, that's good
davout: seeds.therealaltcoin.org doesn't seem to actually have any name servers defined
davout: therealaltcoin.org does
davout: ThickAsThieves: what the fuck have you done?
punkman: davout, dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @dns1.registrar-servers.com
ThickAsThieves: seeds. has an NS record with value= 54.197.241.190
davout: ThickAsThieves: i assert the contrary
davout: punkman: if you force the nameserver you're cheating!
ThickAsThieves: well being that i'm minimally experience with this stuff, i dont know what youre suggesting i do
davout: are you hosting the NS server yourself ?
ThickAsThieves: it's namecheap's
davout: i'd try to see why you're getting a servfail
ThickAsThieves: but i can add any record
davout: hmm
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> %diff
ThickAsThieves: i'll ss my current records
chetty: Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches
davout: ThickAsThieves: it's very weird that your subdomain doesn't seem to have an associated nameserver when asking without asking dns1.registrar-servers.com
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: that should help
davout: ThickAsThieves: why do you have the last line ?
davout: why do you need to associate a separate nameserver to the seeds subdomain ?
mircea_popescu: <chetty> Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches << ya, that'll do a lot.
mircea_popescu: usg will just redefine "cellphones" as laptops or w/e
ThickAsThieves: cuz mike_c told me to, cuz that IP is his and a nameserver
davout: didn't you mean to have an A record instead ?
Apocalyptic: anyway NSA isn't bound by law, is it ?
ThickAsThieves: i only menat to do as told
ThickAsThieves: should it be A instead?
punkman: mike's nameserver spits out node IPs as A records
mircea_popescu: this should be interesting, how tat's soup comes out with al lthe asset cooks
ThickAsThieves: i dont have a problem hosting the seeds myself, if handheld through it
davout: punkman: so the use case is that they're going to be multiple seeds, managed by mike_c like s1.seeds.therealtcoin.org ?
ThickAsThieves: no it's just a list i think
ThickAsThieves: i think the plan is to embed this subdomain into the altcoin software, so newbs can get the chain easier
assbot: dns - Can the value for a NS record be an IP address? - Server Fault
davout: ThickAsThieves: so when hitting seeds.therealaltcoins.org, a single server will spit out a list of seeds, in some format for use by the atc client ?
ThickAsThieves: i think so
ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking for mike_c and pankkake i think
ThickAsThieves: and i'm not so sure i'm qualified
pankkake: yes, that is is
davout: well, then you don't need a NS record
davout: you need a plain old A record for seeds that points to the IP of the server managing the seeds list
mircea_popescu: dude it's like being on mdma over here
mircea_popescu: i derp about my business, suddenly there's this weird booming echo multivoice
ThickAsThieves: cool i'll fix it
pankkake: it's wrong!
mircea_popescu: a second later it comes through they're screaming "goal!1" but that second...
pankkake: the "format" for the altcoin client is a DNS reply
ThickAsThieves: pankkake you talking to me or mp?
davout: mircea_popescu: oh fuck, i'm supporting nigeria
pankkake: to davout
ThickAsThieves: i could not have guessed that DNS would be an interpretive thing...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he was confirming it for davout
mircea_popescu: ahahaha the interpretive dns dance! round robbin! the nut cracker!
davout: pankkake: whaddaya mean
mircea_popescu: this should totally be a musical
ThickAsThieves: how about i just put BOTH records
davout: i feel like i'm going down into a confusion vortex
jurov: ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems!
ThickAsThieves: more shares is better!
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VE6PXR.txt )
pankkake: seeds. has to be served by the self updating dns server
mircea_popescu: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! <<< ahahaha
pankkake: well despite knowning the thing I have a hard time following the discussion
ThickAsThieves: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. /// actually this is something i do want
mircea_popescu: "you have two problems. the government takes one and gives you a cow. now you have three problems."
davout: pankkake: you want to resolve subdomains of seeds. ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: punkman re the "no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knee" : does thaat resolve to -5 which is then 5 below the knee ?
mircea_popescu: or does it just resolve to "depending on how lanky you are, one inch over your cunt"
pankkake: seeds. is also resolved by the NS of seeds.
davout: punkman: a i see, you want a dynamic A record for seeds
punkman: yeah and other cool features, https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
assbot: sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
ThickAsThieves: ok well at the moment the screenshot is what it is and will remain so until explicitly instructed
punkman: ThickAsThieves: maybe change it to seeds NS ns1.therealtaltcoin.org, then go to the other page and point ns1. to mike's IP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.042 = 1.386 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this didn't work so well did it.
ThickAsThieves: i wil not accept a maybe
ThickAsThieves: explicit instructions only
davout: punkman pankkake if what's needed is load balancing, or failover, multiple A records for the same domain would do just fine
mircea_popescu: sensible.
mircea_popescu: davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? << prolly the 3th knc recently delivered
pankkake: yes, if you have known nodes running… and I don't believe it is the case
punkman: ThickAsThieves: well according to dignork's link, having an IP in NS record is not so valid
ThickAsThieves: btw, i do have some .bit domains registered, including bitcoin-assets and therealaltcoin
punkman: but I got no fucking clue to be honest
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, i didn't state the question very explicitly, but i was wondering about the price to pay to bring an extra PH/s to the network, something around 1.25mn is what i found
mircea_popescu: it seems to be about 1 dollar per gh roughly.
mircea_popescu: so 1mn per ph, net of any logistics
davout: and electricity
mircea_popescu: 1.25 prolly reasonable yeah. electricity is logistics :D
davout: i guess thats included in "logistics"
ThickAsThieves: mike_c see above discussion and lemme know if you need anything changed anytime
mircea_popescu: assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200% << lmao
davout: to be read as -200%
davout: nah, actually i'm an idiot, that's not possible
mircea_popescu: IT SHOULD BE
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin << hash doesn;'t really need to pay for itself in coin tho.
punkman: I can't ping seeds.therealaltcoin.org, does it resolve for someone?
jurov: not if one pays another 100% for filing a debt claim
mircea_popescu: jurov has it
davout: punkman: lol
mircea_popescu: punkman unknown host.
davout: jurov: as in "this guy owes me 100 BTC, here's 100 BTC to get it from him" ?
mike_c: ugh. hopefully you didn't "fix" it, i think you had it :)
mike_c: davout: I am running a nameserver for seeds.atc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave << what should be on his grave is "I thought I knew shit, because I used to be a shithead. Now I know better, but what's the use, I'm already shitlisted."
mike_c: clients will query it to find active ATC nodes
mike_c: in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc
mike_c: clear as mud?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mike_c: punkman: no reason you should be able to ping it!
punkman: no?
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc // you're sure ?
ThickAsThieves: what if i want http://seeds. to point a picture of apple seeds? what record for that?
Apocalyptic: I thought it was meant to resolve to IP of nodes
mike_c: Apocalyptic: it does resolve to IP of nodes. but how does your computer know who to ask to resolve it.
davout: ThickAsThieves: A record for that, on mike_c's server
mircea_popescu: !t m s.wol
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
davout: mike_c: so you're going to resolve s1.seeds.the...org etc ?
mike_c: no, no s1.seeds
mircea_popescu: !t m d.bpay
assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: mp how come your s.wol is 35 instead of 30, just to fuck with people?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves someone bid
davout: mike_c: so what fqdns is your server going to resolve ?
ThickAsThieves: ? i dont see any Last Price
mike_c: seeds.therealaltcoin.org
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns
mircea_popescu: after which those shares are prolly selling
mircea_popescu: so get in if you want to get in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008285 = 5.7995 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there isn't a last price yet.
assbot: bitcoin-seeder/README at master sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
davout: mike_c: dig A seeds.therealtcoin.org @54.197.241.190
davout: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 49439
mike_c: dig -t A
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total.
davout: mike_c: why would that change anything ?
davout: i'm asking for an A record
mike_c: dig -t A seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
punkman: realtcoin
mike_c: flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1,
davout: punkman: my face, my palm
mircea_popescu: wow they're really massacring nigeria.
davout: mike_c: yeah works now
mircea_popescu: i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal
davout: lol
mike_c: hopefully nobody actually reads the logs.
[]bot: Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.31299681 BTC. Current weight: 3,557.
davout: mike_c: curious as to why i'm getting a servfail when not asking your server directly
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh.
mircea_popescu: davout take a hint ? :D
davout: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything"
mircea_popescu: "cuz you suck!!1"
davout: meh, i get the same message as you
davout: also same message from different machine, on different network
davout: mike_c: maybe that's related to using an IP directly as the NS field value, i have no fucking clue :D
punkman: "It is important to know that NS records are only responsible for defining the names of DNS servers within a zone, i.e. they do not represent IP addresses,"
mircea_popescu: punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ?
mircea_popescu: we're cats!
BingoBoingo: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
punkman: yeah but I first said this 2 hours ago
punkman: and now it's not working :P
moiety: i here :]
mike_c: so it should be seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS -> foo.therealaltcoin.org and then foo.therealaltcoin.org -> 54.x.x.x?
mircea_popescu: hi moiety
moiety: i had an appointment for sorting everything out income wise, sorry
moiety: hello
davout: punkman: -assets currently looks like a bunch of medieval doctors putting leeches on a guy with a broken ankle
punkman: I'm just glad I'm not a sysadmin
mircea_popescu: and it's worth every penny of the admission fee!
assbot: Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com
mircea_popescu: in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha!
pankkake: I'll give 10000 BTC to the first person to disprove the existence of the Space Elephant
mircea_popescu: rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake stop being unscientific!11
chetty: mircea_popescu, I was amused at the great scientist asking folks to prove a negative :P
pankkake: can we have a 20 year bitbet against global warming?
mircea_popescu: chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor.
mircea_popescu: pankkake if youy put 10k down on it
moiety: pankkake: elephants are scared of mice. galactic space mice (http://history.nasa.gov/animals.html) mean you will never find an elephant in space. i think this counts.
mircea_popescu: give the girl 10k.
[]bot: Bet created: "Amazon stock to close at over $350 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/965/
pankkake: thankfully you didn't say 10k of what :)
moiety: i would accept 10k manuls
mircea_popescu: ;;google 10k manuls
gribble: RT-10K :: Manuals :: Support :: Roland: <http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K>; Sound Module and Drum Pad Comb... :: RT-10K :: Manuals - Roland ...: <http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K&id=1810833>; Roadster HD10K-M 1080 HD DLP Projector - Christie Digital Systems: <http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/business/products/projectors/3 (1 more message)
pankkake: yeah, google always manuals me when I want manuls :(
davout: servfail.
punkman: 10k gold manuls, would be nice
mircea_popescu: reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh
rithm: i should specify indirectly huh
rithm: like th rig is for sale at halorig.com and you can with btc
rithm: the camera was drop ship otc trade
rithm: and so forth
davout: mircea_popescu: "we heard you like dns, so we put a dns server in your dns server ..."
rithm: mircea_popescu you actually read the logs?
mircea_popescu: rithm every day since 2012.
rithm: i'm gonna start trolling you when you are afk pretty hard
rithm: now that i know this
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot rithm
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user rithm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=rithm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rithm | Rated since: Tue May 6 14:03:45 2014
ThickAsThieves: there's a penalty for polluting rithm
mircea_popescu: careful leetal grasshopper :D
ThickAsThieves: assbot will fine you
rithm: a penalty
mircea_popescu: a penal tit
mircea_popescu: ;;google penal tit
rithm: i love to be tied up and flogged
ThickAsThieves: so the Titan coins were loaded like instantly
mircea_popescu: /htm/ is such a good directory to have.
rithm: so evil nick highlighting discouraged or outright banned?
BingoBoingo: ;;google big tits rosebudding
gribble: Rosebud, Lesbian Punishment - Pornhub.com: <http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=733490021>; Get The Big Breasts You've Always Wanted … With A Boob Scarf: <http://www.thefrisky.com/2010-06-01/get-the-big-breasts-youve-always-wanted-with-a-boob-scarf/>; Jennifer Love Hewitt's Boobs Have Served Her Well - The Frisky: <http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-03-08/jennifer-love- (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: and i emailed asking about gold ones cuz the website says out of stock
ThickAsThieves: but they have 30
ThickAsThieves: so i'ma get some
rithm: i have one ThickAsThieves
rithm: it is shiny
ThickAsThieves: i figure i want a lil gold anyway
assbot: Titan One Gold (Titan AU) - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: such slideshow!
rithm: my phone now does those for me
mircea_popescu: mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ?
rithm: these new phones are magic
rithm: like i can take a few pics and select a theme and boom slideshow
rithm: works with video too
ThickAsThieves: you can take the girl out of the lightbulb, but ya cant take the lightbulb outta the girl
pankkake: assetters would simply declare that light is a scam
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D
pankkake: "For the record, a boatload of neckbeards doesn't pay for one single financier. This because tech people actually are humanly inferior to money people. They're less of a person."
mircea_popescu: pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D
mike_c: yes. sleepy bettors will be accomodated.
ThickAsThieves: it gets weirder tho
ThickAsThieves: the address i bet from
ThickAsThieves: isnt in my wallet
pankkake: are you using bitcoin-qt? it doesn't list change addresses
mircea_popescu: remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys
mircea_popescu: because we stole his moneyz!!!
mircea_popescu: and then his address wasn't even on the bet ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah pankkake, that must be it
mircea_popescu: $depth d.bpay
empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Bids:
empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Asks: 900 @ 0.23999999
mircea_popescu: $depth d.btgo
empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Bids:
empyex: mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.05249970
mircea_popescu: if anyone wishes to invest...
ThickAsThieves: major oversight in WoL
ThickAsThieves: trollbox
mircea_popescu: mike_c : add a webirc link to #wol in the page ?
ThickAsThieves: imo it should be in the same window
ThickAsThieves: think of the WoL Community man
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: D.BPAY F.MPIF S.MPOE
pankkake: !t m d.bpay
assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005234 = 1.0468 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21519 @ 0.00083149 = 17.8928 BTC [+] {2}
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mircea_popescu: pankkake scamveloper works
mircea_popescu: sorta the confluence of scammer, eloper and developer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0008285 = 2.9826 BTC [-]
pankkake: did not think of eloper
mircea_popescu: you blew a link tho
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pankkake: I have another post coming :D I've deciced against a third by inserting it in the second
pankkake: indeed… I've crapped on most of my hrefs while writing too
pankkake: another reason I want to switch out of wordpress: writing HTML
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FabianB: hm. doesn't nasdaq close in points and not in usd?
mircea_popescu: i write html in wp
mircea_popescu: FabianB ya
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6136 @ 0.00082822 = 5.082 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12414 @ 0.0008261 = 10.2552 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0419997 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.042 = 0.798 BTC [+]
davout: pankkake: "Now some guy now wants to decentralize decentralized version control." <<< Oo
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Namworld: Re what I was talking about the other day concerning provably fair systems. To be fair, most casinos do the same thing re providing new server seeds after user's seed.
Namworld: So I'll probably do a public campaign concerning all venues.
Namworld: So I got some stuff written, concerning logic behind it and proposed change to such systems.
Namworld: Here's what I have thus far: http://pastebin.com/bQj4fSht
assbot: Provably Fair System - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: Namworld you need a blog
Namworld: I don't have one. Don't think I write often enough to attract any kind of regular audience regardless.
punkman: I want to make a nice provably fair baccarat game. Get all those chinese bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: 1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00082949 = 4.5622 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ?
Namworld: Yes, it should indeed be a requirement to have such an external tool for current venues.
Namworld: mircea, I'll probably just post it on the gambling forum where it is relevant and let people pitch in.
Namworld: At least there's a large, targeted audience there.
mircea_popescu: i guess also
mircea_popescu: punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ?
mircea_popescu: a museum of gambling site
mircea_popescu: play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer
punkman: not bad
mircea_popescu: Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience.
mircea_popescu: jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size.
mircea_popescu: or should i say allowed.
mircea_popescu: but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet
mircea_popescu: and yes jd was correctly implemented.
mircea_popescu: the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical
mircea_popescu: client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed.
mircea_popescu: i still say you should make a blog.
Namworld: It doesn't help much if the system is targetting accounts with large balance and stops cheating after a small sample/when the large balance isn't making large bets.
mircea_popescu: this is true
Namworld: They could steal a few thousands extra BTC on large bets which might not seem too odd until it's too late.
Namworld: Would also be costly to attempt to verify by betting.
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mircea_popescu: lol epic
mircea_popescu: Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake "Then there is services like" there are.
Namworld: How is it stronger for fairness? Server seed provided prior to client seed.
mircea_popescu: let me show you a model.
pankkake: I thought about it, and decided "there is" was the correct form, as I am saying "services like this exist"
Namworld: Sure
pankkake: but maybe I am confused about the grammar
mircea_popescu: you are yes.
mircea_popescu: Namworld suppose site switcxhes at 1 btc. so :
mircea_popescu: server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses.
mircea_popescu: 0.2 btc comes in, idem calculated.
mircea_popescu: at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far.
mircea_popescu: ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results.
mircea_popescu: 1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree
mircea_popescu: now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible
mircea_popescu: if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic
Namworld: There's a single server seed for all users for the day... with its hash predisclosed. It would be pretty much impossible to reasonably find another seed that matches the hash...
mircea_popescu: the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players.
mircea_popescu: it's a conundrum
mircea_popescu: Namworld a you also predisclose the hash ?
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Namworld: Yes, there's a list with months of secrets' hashes provided upfront.
Namworld: Like JD provides the server's seed hash.
ThickAsThieves: (intuit is what most small businesses and more use for acconting in US)
mircea_popescu: Namworld a ok nm then, it's quite strong
mircea_popescu: "Now some guy now wants" pankkake must proof moar omg
Namworld: That and we don't provide a default client seed, we use the blockchain transaction ID of the last deposit.
mircea_popescu: Namworld ya that part is very good.
Namworld: So by default all players should be covered correctly
Namworld: No work to do on the user's part, other than verification.
mircea_popescu: Namworld why is that txt not signed ?
mircea_popescu: and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds.
mircea_popescu: was someone working on that ?
pankkake: this is why I usually don't publish after writing, but hey…
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Namworld: Not sure, would probably be best for list to be signed.
Namworld: Jurov would have to look into that.
mircea_popescu: Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version.
Namworld: If you're willing to do so, it would be great. Don't forget to include date.
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
dignork: mircea_popescu: waste some money - http://www.proofofexistence.com/about
assbot: Proof of Existence
Namworld: I trust jurov not to lose/have list of secrets compromised. Although list/signatures might need to be updated if Coinroll is sold again to another party or list is compromised.
mircea_popescu: dignork youll have to search for that term :D
Namworld: A date with signatures shows when it was acknowledged to be changed. Such that none can claim a specific change occured prior to that date.
Namworld: Maybe dooglus would be willing to sign the list too.
Namworld: 2 strong parties to sign, along with jurov as the owner.
Namworld: Should be sufficient.
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dignork: mircea_popescu: irony detector fails me today, the link was about provable timestamping, for you gpg sig on Namworld text
assbot: 3 results for 'proofofexistence' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's not you is it ?
pankkake: no, it's the infamous crumbs
Namworld: Thank you very much.
Namworld: I'll ask dooglus if he can do the same. Jurov or wao can publish both signed text files on the verification page.
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mircea_popescu: what's crumbs infamous for again ?
pankkake: trolling Legitimate Bitcoin Companies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04747994 = 0.7122 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "A more formalized version of this should be linked/appended to every single IPO offering on the forums as a cautionary tale. "
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, let's ban mpoe-pr for doing it :D
mircea_popescu: oggnasty : "Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic..."
mircea_popescu: herpderp.
mircea_popescu: "You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... "
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: o wait. I'm lambchop ?!
pankkake: so altcoin hashrate is basically one KnC Neptune
mircea_popescu: 3th or so no ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082742 = 4.3026 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah. like 6k usd total investment.
mircea_popescu: or about 10 btc. while a block is worth about 5k-10 satoshi
mircea_popescu: so you'd have to find 100k blocks or thereabouts to break even
mircea_popescu: (did i fuck up my math ?)
assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin with an infinite but reasonable inflation would not be so different."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that mean
pankkake: I agree the formulation isn't ideal. I mean, what if block reward was 1 BTC forever
mircea_popescu: but you're right, the only current business of pseudo-bitcoin businesses a la coinbase, bitpay etc is that they're benefiting from a legal inefficiency, where exchanges that admit it are being fucked actively, whereas exchangesd that pretend to be paymernt processors aren't fucked quite as bad quite as yet.
mircea_popescu: pankkake that is matematically equivalent to "each block is its own sort of halving"
mircea_popescu: in theory it should make no difference.
pankkake: yes. but even yearly fixed inflation wouldn't be that bad imho
mircea_popescu: anyway, i like your newfound activity.
mircea_popescu: well imho based on what ?
mircea_popescu: This blog is the inalienable property of the greatest mind the universe ever had, and is ever going to have. Its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons License.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04200184 = 0.588 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: I encourage you to visit the links: the profiles section will help you in your daily worshiping of myself, while the other sections will allow you to experience the productions of some other great minds. However, you will come to the inevitable conclusion that I’m better than all of them combined.
mircea_popescu: hahaha srsly ?>
pankkake: I think predictable money supply is the most interesting property
pankkake: of course, Bernankoin has somewhat predictable money supply and is worthless by design
mircea_popescu: actually i think something else is the most interesting property, and sorta too lazyto write blogpost
mircea_popescu: actually looking at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ ... 60 posts past two weeks ?
assbot: Assets Assimilated
mircea_popescu: quite the vibrant little community we got here. there's even a manul in a treehouse!
pankkake: and many new blogs
mircea_popescu: like 3 posts / head i tcomes to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0478897 = 1.6761 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00082568 = 43.761 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00082405 = 14.5857 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307808 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 639 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16689850735.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.97216
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0478 = 1.0038 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0478 = 0.717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008229 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008293 = 11.3614 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: dem shoes
mircea_popescu: mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit...
mircea_popescu: fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past.
rithm: evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines
rithm: which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist
rithm: but yeah that regurgitated
mircea_popescu: rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus"
rithm: if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine.....
rithm: nm i decided not to finish that sentence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00083085 = 6.4806 BTC [+]
rithm: also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months
mircea_popescu: well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months.
rithm: that's what i learned
mircea_popescu: otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever.
rithm: why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno"
mircea_popescu: i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law.
ThickAsThieves: "As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. "
ThickAsThieves: BFL, the hits keep coming
ThickAsThieves: they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware
ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome stuff
mircea_popescu: please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later
mircea_popescu: the gigavps method
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots.
rithm: mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing"
rithm: it's really all the same
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: "burn-in" lol
rithm: basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers
rithm: as part of a lrger operation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: 'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO
mircea_popescu: truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se,
mircea_popescu: and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: Aereo lost huh
pankkake: WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol
rithm: i've seen WU operate in poor countries
rithm: it's a monopoly
rithm: i should say 3
mthreat: it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated
rithm: "countries" sounds like a lot
rithm: but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa
rithm: there's a WU on every block
pankkake: well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere
pankkake: perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins
ThickAsThieves: "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies
ThickAsThieves: transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys
ThickAsThieves: Name of the Day: Perianne Boring, of Boring & Company
mircea_popescu: somebody failed to read up on the nz0
mircea_popescu: who was it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris?
pankkake: I think davout does
mircea_popescu: No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: someone gotta up their googlefu
bitcoinpete: pankkake: heh cool
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ThickAsThieves: mp the quote was not from PR
ThickAsThieves: internal data sheet
mircea_popescu: "The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular.
pankkake: I think he removed the post
bitcoinpete: a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin
bitcoinpete: apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets
bitcoinpete: was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves internal to whom ?
ThickAsThieves: "Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch
ThickAsThieves: it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere
mircea_popescu: right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant.
mircea_popescu: just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory.
ThickAsThieves: it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President
ThickAsThieves: Production Associate, Srinivasan Raghavan
mircea_popescu: there's about 50 diff lawyers of that name. anyway.
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of webcast ?
ThickAsThieves: i have ph# if you really want it
ThickAsThieves: no it's pdf from a friend that knows a guy at Moodys
mircea_popescu: finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult
mircea_popescu: a. well then i guess friend can see the log or w/e.
ThickAsThieves: Report Number: 167942
thestringpuller: girls just wanna have fuuuun
mircea_popescu: anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future.
mircea_popescu: “Why should any of these technological differences matter?” Breyer wrote. “They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers’ screens. They do not render Aereo’s commercial objective any different from that of cable companies.”
mircea_popescu: "we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed.
mircea_popescu: “It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes,” Scalia wrote. “It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes.” << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice.
ThickAsThieves: he's said some crazy shit though
justusranvier: It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.
ThickAsThieves: i forget exactly, we've discussed it here i think
assbot: 14 results for 'scalia' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature.
justusranvier: They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion.
mircea_popescu: i guess that argument is always available.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl!
justusranvier: Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content.
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davout: bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place
davout: wai
moiety: someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7719 @ 0.00082254 = 6.3492 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris
dub: wat is house of bitcoin?
bitcoinpete: it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick
davout: dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place
bitcoinpete: dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community
dub: sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards
bitcoinpete: there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc
bitcoinpete: dub sorta
bitcoinpete: they should really just be here instead
davout: the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin"
bitcoinpete: and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation
dub: is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto
davout: dub: that sounds like redditspeak
dub: give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here
mircea_popescu: justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links
mircea_popescu: moiety cause you're new ?
pankkake: I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR
mircea_popescu: surprise surprise
mircea_popescu: (but yes I said it first)
mircea_popescu: <dub> is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy.
davout: "(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;)
mircea_popescu: but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit :
mircea_popescu: "That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between “being wrong” and “being stupid”. If you are “wrong” about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l
mircea_popescu: ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being “wrong” (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!"
mircea_popescu: davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine!
assbot: Orlando's - YouTube
mircea_popescu: btw, nigeria lost
davout: yo, playing france on the 30th
davout: france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch
mircea_popescu: are they playing the women's french team ?
bitcoinpete: pankkake: are you on twitter?
mircea_popescu: he threatened to kill trayvon martin
mircea_popescu: and got suspended
bitcoinpete: just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there
mircea_popescu: he has a blog
pankkake: funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity
bitcoinpete: i doubt @headfucking is taken
bitcoinpete: ok confirmed now, it's free
davout: or takeable i'd assume
pankkake: I *had* a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: agreed. blog > twitter
davout: hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru
assbot: The Watcher (fuckme) auf Twitter
mircea_popescu: dead since 2011
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the year twitter peaked.
bitcoinpete: pretty much
bitcoinpete: 2010 seemed to be the coming out party
bitcoinpete: 2011 was probably tops
bitcoinpete: and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs
pankkake: I had a blog when it was trendy to have one
assbot: 'Adopt a Node' Project Aims to Bolster Bitcoin Network Security
bitcoinpete: pankkake: and when was this?
moiety: i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :]
mircea_popescu: :p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge
pankkake: my first post is probably 2004
moiety: do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook?
davout: moiety: lol no, shoot
moiety: mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times.
moiety: davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off
pankkake: wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?!
pankkake: or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!)
bitcoinpete: pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid!
pankkake: actually, first post: September 2003
mircea_popescu: on reading http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 towards where it says "the log of the original discussion", am i the only one for whom that link comes as some sort of doge thing rather than a log linkj ?
assbot: F.DERP, A New Bitcoin Short-Only Hedge Fund Targeting Major Bitcoin Startups
mircea_popescu: somethign weird going on with overlays in there
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you believe the braindamage ?
TheNewDeal: ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely?
pankkake: link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke
TheNewDeal: friggin candy addicts
pankkake: do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location?
mircea_popescu: get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it
mircea_popescu: you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway.
TheNewDeal: ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc
mircea_popescu: ya right,.
assbot: sourceforce.net
mircea_popescu: someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier
mircea_popescu: they got their very own 12 MW thing
TheNewDeal: do you need to hash at all?
TheNewDeal: I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined
mircea_popescu: so you'd see the other one first ?
TheNewDeal: doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes?
mircea_popescu: 6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain
mircea_popescu: 1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph
mircea_popescu: but this you can fight by keeping good peers.
pankkake: nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable
mircea_popescu: it's about 96% reliable atm i think
TheNewDeal: couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho?
TheNewDeal: just use the doublespend feature
pankkake: you mean bitundo?
mircea_popescu: it';s not really all that trivial.
mircea_popescu: nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0163868 = 0.8193 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: more concerned about the laundry :D
davout: am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ?
mike_c: this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well.
pankkake: davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them
TheNewDeal: can I get a linky to their solution?
mircea_popescu: yeah, what mike_c said.
mircea_popescu: davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were.
moiety: davout: I can't find any screens of it. here's the logo https://bitcointa.lk/data/avatars/m/78/78316.jpg?1393513983 Bitcoin Socially it was called.
mike_c: the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc.
davout: mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse
pankkake: iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant
mircea_popescu: davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't.
mircea_popescu: imo type 1 behaviour is better
mircea_popescu: but they don't make that much difference
davout: pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them
mircea_popescu: well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned
mircea_popescu: would you rather see the bad tx or the "bad" nodes ?
davout: i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes
mircea_popescu: seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons
assbot: Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: it was argued this isn't so smart. but anyway
Naphex: anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ?
Naphex: to pass to a noob to sign his stuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect.
mircea_popescu: they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn
TheNewDeal: why so
davout: mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument
mircea_popescu: davout you're mostly rehashing it right now ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, salmon's here. bbl #2!
davout: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends
TheNewDeal: well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction?
mike_c: you mean what happens when a block is orphaned?
TheNewDeal: i just started reading about this statoshi client today so forgive my ignorance http://coinchomp.com/2014/05/07/announcing-statoshi-realtime-bitcoin-node-statistics/
assbot: Announcing Statoshi: Realtime Bitcoin Node Statistics - CoinChomp
davout: TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt
TheNewDeal: unless of course you're receiving an immediate service
TheNewDeal: isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior?
TheNewDeal: I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example
TheNewDeal: might be in full retard mode
mthreat: anyone loaded the blockchain into a graph database like neo4j? google released another graph database today, https://github.com/google/cayley
assbot: google/cayley GitHub
davout: mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted
assbot: The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
davout: TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network
TheNewDeal: yes indeed
mthreat: davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results?
TheNewDeal: wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output
dignork: Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys
davout: TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked
davout: mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ?
Naphex: dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey
mthreat: davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins
assbot: spesmilo/sx GitHub
davout: mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron?
mthreat: davout: yeah
Naphex: the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu which trilema article featured this dood ? seem to recall seeing mr. wonderful there at some point http://www.businessinsider.com/chen-guangbiao-lunch-cash-giveaway-2014-6
assbot: Chen Guangbiao Lunch Cash Giveaway - Business Insider
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Naphex: but i'll probably write something simple to sign it
davout: mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side
mthreat: davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks
davout: Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh?
Naphex: davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while
thestringpuller: davout: hah. but if those people make us look better.
davout: Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal?
Naphex: davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey
Naphex: which requires quite some manual work
Naphex: would probably be easier with bash and terminal
Naphex: then with current bitcoin-cli multisig
dignork: Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e
Naphex: yeah - will probably just write some simple tool
Naphex: put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it
Naphex: i create transaction and just pass it
Naphex: probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key
Naphex: then they can just sign with password
dignork: Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github
dignork: actually they - shesek, you can talk to him
Naphex: its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool
dignork: Naphex: there is also http://ms-brainwallet.org/ , but it's horribly wrong
assbot: Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator
Naphex: dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before
Naphex: only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys
Naphex: dunno why the hell
Naphex: dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :)
dignork: yeah, braindead
dignork: it was a POC code I assume
Naphex: probably
Naphex: but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A
Naphex: and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3}
dignork: yeah, but it expects two privkeys :)
Naphex: and the raw transaction is read only :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+]
Naphex: bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support
Naphex: maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that
dignork: Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey
mike_c: <+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words?
Naphex: mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also
Naphex: i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed
mike_c: "JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying.
Naphex: i agree
Naphex: but for signing a multisig not that bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? /// I think it's my disqus avatar
ThickAsThieves: never forget!
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008244 = 1.319 BTC [-]
Naphex: gn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04455639 = 0.5792 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19231 @ 0.00082318 = 15.8306 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00082204 = 9.9878 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19819 @ 0.00082356 = 16.3221 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 382007.64 in 1850 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -25.32
assbot: New creationist museum explains how Noah managed to fit dinosaurs on the ark - Weird News - News - The Independent
TheNewDeal: was wondering how he did dat
TheNewDeal: I'm getting really excited for this silk road auction. Can't wait to see how it goes down
benkay: makes perfect sense, mo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008255 = 12.7953 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444018 = 2.2201 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444 = 2.22 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: why bring babies when you can bring a carton of dinosaur eggs
moiety: ya, i am so glad they cleared that one up
moiety: i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor
bloctoc: has anyone discussed how they decided to purchase 200BTC worth of BPAY?
ThickAsThieves: it's not THAT absurd, if you can afford it
mike_c: huh? looks like ~25btc
TheNewDeal: I think it's slightly absurd because the whole F.Derp is just in its beginning stages
mike_c: !t m d.bpay
assbot: [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
bloctoc: not saying it's absurd, it's a serious question.
mike_c: ^ 25.00 btc
bloctoc: the detail page has 900 shares, the overview has 100 shares if I'm reading it right, then something's amis
mike_c: those are the shares mp is offering for sale
mike_c: he offered 1000, 100 have been bought
bloctoc: oh, got it.
bloctoc: 25 BTC I can see not feeling too bad if you guess wrong.
bloctoc: but feeling good if you guess right
bloctoc: of course, it's probably more sophisticated than that
benkay: one might consider...hedging.
TheNewDeal: well BPay shares can be sold at a later date, no?
bloctoc: I don't see how anyone would be able to hedge bpay today
bloctoc: they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet.
benkay: D.BPAY or the actual shares?
benkay: what, hold btc's not a good enough hedge?
benkay: D.BPAY is a hedge against the fartup cirkus producing something with market value in the next year or w/e
benkay: bloctoc:
bloctoc: that's a bet, not a hedge
TheNewDeal: F.DERP is the hedge
Mats_cd03: on the subject of bets, write a proper proposition and that can be your hedge.
TheNewDeal: against the group of derps
Mats_cd03: problem solved
Mats_cd03: thanks kako
benkay: buy F.DERP, buy D.*, ams hedged
TheNewDeal: F.Derp was made to short the basket of derps
bloctoc: proposition on bitbet you mean?
TheNewDeal: implied
benkay: yeah, F takes you short, D takes you long
benkay: hedging against their bringing something to market is betting that they do
TheNewDeal: the strange thing is how the D pays out
benkay: please correct me, bloctoc
benkay: what's strange about it, TheNewDeal ?
bloctoc: I thought S.MPOE was F.DERP and I don't see F.DERP Am I Right?
TheNewDeal: talked about it earlier
TheNewDeal: but the gist is this
TheNewDeal: in a theoretical scenario, a company pays for the worth of the startup
TheNewDeal: talking about an aquisition type here
TheNewDeal: so the stock of the acquirer shouldn't really change
TheNewDeal: Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same
TheNewDeal: in reality, FB stock is volatile, could potentially have a large shift in the 30 day period
bloctoc: benkay where did you discover F.DERP?
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
benkay: bloctoc: logs
bloctoc: I see it - this whole hedging discussion makes sense now. thanks
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
benkay: for a second i was hoping to learn something there :D
benkay: maybe mircea_popescu comes by later to school me
TheNewDeal: did my explanation make any sense about an acquisition type event?
bloctoc: you had me until "FB Stock is volatile". Meanwhile I understand the concept of hedging, I just didn't realize when I asked the question that there was such a thing as F.DERP
benkay: can't have puts without calls, etc
bloctoc: not legally anyway...
Mats_cd03: uh...
Mats_cd03: nothing to do with law, this is how it works
bloctoc: not legally where I live anyway..
benkay: no no, the market just falls over with one and not the other
benkay: naked shorts bad, covered shorts good
benkay: going long without commensurate short options is cuh-fukken-razy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04285624 = 1.0714 BTC [-] {3}
TheNewDeal: Per the world cup article http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/ . I think BitBet should allow zeroconf bets simultaneously on Yes and No, especially if they move to requiring a 2 BTC minimum.
assbot: The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side
TheNewDeal: Also, why is it said that BitBet "fronts" .1 BTC on the bet? I thought they split .1 BTC, some portion going to the original bettor, and the other portion is a wager that will pay the site
Mats_cd03: the bet is seeded. look at the first two wagers for each bet
benkay: ;;later tell TheNewDeal you had it right the first time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: o...join leaves r disabled on my client ffs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04202638 = 2.1013 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: there's always tab-complete, Mats_cd03
benkay: look who's joining us
benkay: hey baby doll
benkay: play me some jamz?
Vexual: i think kako might anuerism
benkay: eh, that's his problem
Vexual: yeah.. well
benkay: i guess yours then as well
benkay: kakos problems are all of our problems
Vexual: maybe so
Vexual: it might make it harder to bet not chinese on the ladies tennis
benkay: beer empty
benkay: going home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.0008239 = 63.6875 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: syntax error
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