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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069478 = 0.139 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Could be a reduction in enthusiasm due to lack of MPEX chatter in mainstream press and X.eur and F.MPIF having whet the appetite for new listings
peterl: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00325487 / 0.00325754 / 0.00328679 (1194 shares, 3.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00294249 / 0.00320948 / 0.00328679 (1981 shares, 6.36 BTC)
peterl: hmm, not a real hot seller, I don't think that is where the mpoe action is going
TheNewDeal: what is the x.eur?
peterl: euro futures
TheNewDeal: how does it get executed
peterl: if you buy it, you can trade the shares for euros on bitcoincentral, I think?
TheNewDeal: new to reading these types of documents. Has taken me MANY glances to understand the gist of that
TheNewDeal: sad part... it's quiet very straightforward
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4499875 = 3.5999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12561 @ 0.00085626 = 10.7555 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068956 = 1.3791 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37531/bungie-s-destiny-could-top-gta-5-as-most-expensive-game-ever/index.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: "AML regulations are meant to stop drug cartels and terrorists from using banks to conduct criminal activity. But the strict interpretation of those rules may be causing inadvertent harm to people in Somalia — a war-torn country where large numbers of people depend on money transfers from friends and relatives abroad to cover their basic needs."
ozbot: A Modest Attempt to Ease AML Rules Side Effects - Bank Think Article - American Banker
bitcoinpete: "As it stands, banks fear being held liable if funds sent through money transmitters reach terrorist organizations or other criminal groups. In one such case, two Somali-American women were found guilty of sending money transfers to the terrorist organization al Shabaab."
bitcoinpete: next up
bitcoinpete: “Spill response and clean-up creates business and employment opportunities for affected communities, regions, and cleanup service providers.” <<true enough. the gdp-based economy is the car accident economy, which is exactly why bitcoin is so important
bitcoinpete: http://business.financialpost.com/2014/05/06/kinder-morgan-clarifies-embarrassing-oil-spill-benefits-comments/?__lsa=98ce-f45a <<kinder morgan dude, who knows what he's talking about as much as the clippers guy, apologized
ozbot: Kinder Morgan clarifies embarrassing oil spill benefits comments | Financial Post
peterl: let's break a bunch of windows and pay people to fix them!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068956 = 0.9654 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: peterl: and make insurance claims! and call ambulances and police to the scene!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.068956 = 4.4132 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: benkay: mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano <<say whaaat? colour me curious
nubbins`: folks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.004332 = 0.8317 BTC [+]
nubbins`: what's the word
bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less
Duffer1: it was an interesting lesson, drew took it well
bitcoinpete: it was more than palatable
TheNewDeal: anyone here interested in purchasing 1 BTC on YES for http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ ? I'll give you a 9% premium on current timeweight
bitcoinpete: why the sale?
fluffypony: so much of logz
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: I'm a poor gambler, and don't know enough about it to make a commitment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085699 = 5.3133 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology <- last time I suggested I got shot down: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#653313
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0071769 = 0.1435 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: ya, logs were intense today
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I feel like I missed the action :-P
bitcoinpete: you did lol
TheNewDeal: purpose of sale is to lock in profits, open up bitcoin for future wagers
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: it is looking pretty darn sure… i'll mull it over for a day and let you know
TheNewDeal: sounds good. ill keep the offer of 24000 timeweight open for the morrow
ozbot: General Dynamics gets contract to build 12 advanced main battle tanks with digital vetronics - Milit
bitcoinpete: and with that, i bid ye adieu and bon soir
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is! <- quick! someone tell MRKLYE!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.42411668 = 2.5447 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00085219 = 39.6268 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1546 @ 0.00085125 = 1.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4498999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00085732 = 18.2609 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18107 @ 0.00085118 = 15.4123 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.068956 = 0.3448 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.068956 = 0.3448 BTC [-]
fluffypony: !up frankenmint
assbot: Voicing frankenmint for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: frankenmint: oh haaaaai
frankenmint: wow, hi thanks
fluffypony: frankenmint: missed your question in #litecoinmining the other day
fluffypony: I think you should part it out
frankenmint: I got my package from you finally
fluffypony: I get the feeling that the only people buying GPU rigs atm are people who want to buy them cheaply
fluffypony: whereas individual components are more in demand among gamers etc.
frankenmint: yea which means cutting corners, some hardware hosting folks I talked to mentioned that large private mining clients want barebones power to setup their own rigs and cooling
fluffypony: have you considered renting it out on betarigs or whatever that sight is?
artifexd: ;;ud pineapples
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pineapples | what the fuck are you looking at the definition of pineapples for you stupid fuck?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pineapples
fluffypony: s/sight/site
fluffypony: artifexd: lawlz
frankenmint: hmm thanks for sharing that wow I'm checking it out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20648 @ 0.00085793 = 17.7145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.454 = 1.362 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4569 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.068956 = 0.5516 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0043001 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17132 @ 0.00085486 = 14.6455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.0008523 = 10.3981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067988 = 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06798699 = 0.4079 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06798654 = 0.6119 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06798578 = 0.5439 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00085244 = 15.9833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12260 @ 0.00085244 = 10.4509 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00085568 = 23.4456 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 747 @ 0.00429437 = 3.2079 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.06902924 = 3.2444 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: !up Curious_George
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00085915 = 16.4098 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0679864 = 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06798611 = 0.3399 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06792872 = 1.7661 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.454 = 0.908 BTC [-]
davout: !up johntramp
assbot: Voicing johntramp for 30 minutes.
johntramp: cheers davout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00085616 = 10.6592 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up DrewHorne
assbot: Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.
DrewHorne: How are you fine gentlemen and ladies doing this morning
mircea_popescu: not so bad.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @izakaminska @Frances_Coppola ...
mircea_popescu: giving twitter a hard time
jurov: DrewHorne: fine, thanks. you're the festival organizer?
jurov: ...
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: lol, I read that as "cautious renters" and I was like "how does this relate to people who rent?"
mircea_popescu: jurov answered your comment
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the socialist state in its final decomposition stages has identified the enemies of the people : savers and owners.
mircea_popescu: the burgeoisie, god damned them, keep making it impossible for the working man to find toilet paper in the store.
mircea_popescu: in spite of the government having clearly made a rule that there should be toilet paper!
Apocalyptic: that's quite accurate
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, venezuela is also a federal republic. only... 30ish years more advanced than the us
mircea_popescu: and well, minerally richer.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, listen to this sad story : the mother of a friend, who has been a nurse all her life, 20+ years, and who is actually a very good nurse, and who's got a back injury from lifting people in wheelchair up to busses and so on, has been trying for the past 6 months to get a job.
mircea_popescu: because "the recession is over", yet people with valuable experience and qualifications are looking for work. this somehow makes sense.
mircea_popescu: the best she could find was this deal where she took ~12 hours' worth of examinations, and they got her a thing for 3 hours / week.
mircea_popescu: "maybe they'll find more"
mircea_popescu: it pays minimum wage, and no benefits
mircea_popescu: and she's taxed on it.
mircea_popescu: currently, making ~12 dollars. a week.
mircea_popescu: couldn't pay for my fucking coffee. not all the coffee i drink in a week, either, just, one time.
mircea_popescu: this is probably also the fault of the rentiers and savers.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "Adding a picture" ? that article is kinda silly.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: that makes me sad to hear
mircea_popescu: the curse of being born in the best country in the world, a few decades before it became the best country in the world.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if she speaks English, why doesn't she look at the TEFL stuff and similar? I have a friend in Cape Town who teaches English via Skype to foreigners, she doesn't have to speak a foreign language, just has to be able to speak English
mircea_popescu: well yes she speaks english, she was born in texas or something, i forget.
mircea_popescu: and you know, soime people want to do a certain thing.
mircea_popescu: now granted, if the thing they want to do is i dunno, watch tv, then one could say "how about you do this instead".
mircea_popescu: but nursing ffs ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think there ever existed or could ever exist a functioning society in which nursing jobs are to be discounted because too little demand and too many people wanting to do it.
mircea_popescu: by the way, that's actually quite ancient chinese stuff.
mircea_popescu: "if the cake is tasty we should be together", prolly older than the wheel.
mircea_popescu: course, it used to be made by the girl in question, but hey. "if the cake is tasty, maybe we should come to this place more often"
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mpex drop? << yeah it like, plunged a few days ago. it actually does this, probably to mess with mike trying to understand the news impact.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: how does it get executed << euro future, settles 15th of each month, can be delivered as euros on bitcoin central.
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne #bitcoin-assets on Freenode
mircea_popescu: chat.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 8001
mircea_popescu: the magnificent assets have any suggestion as to what i should say to the redditard next ?
mircea_popescu: im running out of ideas.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24721 @ 0.00085616 = 21.1651 BTC [-]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: tell him you have sekrit NSA dokumintz proving it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah then he'll just ask me for them
mircea_popescu: this is how you acquire stalkers.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: just readin logs atm, looks like drew came by with quite the edm business proposal. mp's flowers must have put him in a fabulous mood because he's !downed newcomers for less << someone should sometime do a comparative study of how noobs fare in here.
mircea_popescu: i tell you it's not my mood, that'd be like saying the girl was horny. no, no, it was in your approach, not in her horniness i tell you! he somehow, improbably, managed to whistle into the modem.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you didn't get shot down ? i supported it, what did you think "fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business." meant ?
fluffypony: huh? I got shot down when I suggested that we get someone part-time to sift through logs and make an ongoing anthology?
mircea_popescu: you did ?
mircea_popescu: read the link you sent again!
fluffypony: "asciilifeform:fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?"
fluffypony: shot down
mircea_popescu: but what did i say!
fluffypony: true, I somehow glossed over that comment
fluffypony: twice
fluffypony: I was too focused on food-chewers
mircea_popescu: well so in that case don't oppose what he said to me eh!
fluffypony: when I get some time I may actually go hunting for someone to do that
fluffypony: get them started from like 12 months ago in the logs
mircea_popescu: i would propose going backwards actually.
fluffypony: interesting
fluffypony: won't they lack context if they do that?
mircea_popescu: they would be building context in the way of the noob, rather than i nthe way of the sacred cow.
mircea_popescu: this thing you're making, it's intended to satisfy the needs of noobs, right ?
mircea_popescu: you're not trying tro get me to pay for access in order to shake my head
fluffypony: yes - to satisfy the noobs and if correctly tagged and annotated it's a searchable repository of information
mircea_popescu: cool. so then it should build context from present day through archeological remains,
mircea_popescu: it's speaking to contemporaries not to people long gone
fluffypony: like a historian
fluffypony: an historian
fluffypony: one of the two
chetty: just no libtard historical rewrites - pls
mircea_popescu: yeah. unlike a historian, it has the invaluable advantage that people present in the deepest strata of history are still around today, and they can say either "ah, that one point is fucking stupid, forget it" or the contrary.
mircea_popescu: the lack of which is the worst problem of history, because you never quite know for sure just how important this particular bit of nonsense really is
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this could be a phd thesis for a history student in a good uni.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there could be a better one, should get magna.
pankkake: I wonder how history will work in the future. You used to have not enough data, now you have too much
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any of you is fucking a history major on the side... maybe it's time for her phd.
mircea_popescu: at any rate it'd be proper scholarship, rather than the current courtois-type nonsense.
fluffypony ponders
fluffypony: what's the rationale behind investors getting voting rights if they cumulatively own like 10% or 20% of a company? doesn't that seem redundant?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: getting pushback from 1 person who can't understand why we aren't giving VertPay investors voting rights
fluffypony: and I'm trying to understand why it's so important to them
mircea_popescu: voting rights are nonsense in bitcoin anyway. what the fuck are they going to do, get a confederatied majority and... what, oust you ? take over ?
mircea_popescu: voting rights made sense in the old days of geographically fixed agents and material means of production. that situation changed.
mircea_popescu: immaterial means of production and geographically dispersed agents reduces the corporate voting to meaninglessness. not that it worked too well pre bitcoin, either.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you read the original thread of the sdice listing, the same sort of derpage was raised by the losers vocal there. amoing a pile of other "good and considered" reasons not to invest.
mircea_popescu: history has shown that their opinions weren't worth holding.
chetty: buying stock should indicate confidence in management, sell is lack of such - what better votes are there?
fluffypony: chetty: good point
mircea_popescu: chetty exactly. but in the old days of imperfect economy, people actually had to have a backchannel, and take over the tractor or whatever it was
mircea_popescu: because you couldn't afford to let a physical tractor go to waste, as a society.
mircea_popescu: these days, a website going to waste ? heh.
pankkake: I like the point where you'd have to trust other shareholder's opinions. I certainly wouldn't want that
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it voting shares are nonsensical.
mircea_popescu: at the very most tyhe management could solicit nonbinding opinions from holders, there's a mpex mechanism for doing this embedded in some listing agreements,
mircea_popescu: but it's not yet been used to date.
mircea_popescu: !up DrewHorne
assbot: Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne im really not interested in carrying private conversations. we don't know each other, we have nothing private to discuss.
DrewHorne: thanks
DrewHorne: thats fine, it was my only option as a voiceless
DrewHorne: how do i check my trust with gribble? i saw that yall were checking me on it last night, that basically checks with gribble on the wot correct?
thestringpuller: /msg mircea_popescu i have naked pix of hot models
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so do i :D
fluffypony: pankkake: yeah - to a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have the knowledge to be in the space the business is operating in (otherwise they'd be in the space), so they're just proffering an opinion
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust DrewHorne
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=DrewHorne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DrewHorne | Rated since: never
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot DrewHorne
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DrewHorne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DrewHorne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DrewHorne | Rated since: never
DrewHorne: so thats basically saying that i am now registered on the wot but i have 0 trust thus far
mircea_popescu: ;;ident DrewHorne
gribble: Nick 'DrewHorne', with hostmask 'DrewHorne!~DrewHorne@215.sub-70-193-130.myvzw.com', is identified as user 'DrewHorne', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB
thestringpuller: well between assbot
thestringpuller: and yourself
thestringpuller: and mircea_popescu '
DrewHorne: right
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no he's actually 0.
thestringpuller: yea Rated since: NEVER
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne anyway, a good step forward, now people could rate you.
thestringpuller: damn i feel old
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that rated since is about my rating, not generally.
DrewHorne: good deal
DrewHorne: successful morning for someone not well versed in the bitcoin space, im a fast learner
thestringpuller: ah thx for clarifying mp
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 141 @ 0.00089989 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no, actually, i was wrong o.O
mircea_popescu: it's about you not our relationship. and also, http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=thestringpuller your oldest rating seems to be from oct 17th
mircea_popescu: so either gribble actually keeps track of the oldest rating oyu ever got and someone modified their oct 15th rating
mircea_popescu: or else there's a bug there
fluffypony: you mean like someone forgot to * 1000 ?
mircea_popescu: prolly the former tbh :p
pankkake: it's too bad that you only see the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value to know when it appeared first
mircea_popescu: pankkake you can log the ratings chan
DrewHorne: so where do i go lurk for something to successfully do to get rated and earn trust?
HeySteve: or check the blockchain, pankkake :)
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne you know how to read thew logs here ?
pankkake: not very practical, when you just want to look at someone's ratings
HeySteve: soon
DrewHorne: i do not
pankkake: "oh, these guys have known each other for years" - that info
fluffypony: pankkake: I suppose you could talk to the rater and ask them?
DrewHorne: go to the logs web address?
mircea_popescu: pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant to update very old ratings, and just let them be "good enough"
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne you can read the logs of this chan. ocasionally things pop up for people to do.
pankkake: 1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather talk to the ones with the oldest initial rating, anyway
pankkake: mircea_popescu: well exactly
mircea_popescu: like above the history phd bit. obviously useless to you, as youre no historian by trade, but we are a diverse bucnh with diverse needs.
mircea_popescu: pankkake course the canonical way around is to just ask the rater. he can tell you how far back the relationship goes
DrewHorne: the first thing that popped out from the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology"
DrewHorne: i guess i missed the convo on beating small children
mircea_popescu: something not necessarily covered by wot anyway yet, as some people rated each other in 2011 might have known each other since 2001
DrewHorne: damn
mircea_popescu: but there was no wot in 2001
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne it's in there, read up
DrewHorne: sweet
HeySteve: how beneficial would a permanent record of such trust relationships be?
DrewHorne: ok so seriously though how is the best way to sort though all of this for an actual task rather than just read all of yalls entertaining multifaceted chat
mircea_popescu: HeySteve very ?
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne kinda what we're trying to work out atm. there is a wiki, but not too fleshed out yet
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, for what purposes is it valuable would you say?
DrewHorne: gotcha
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you read the theory of economics ?
DrewHorne: seems like there would be a way to archive tasks?
DrewHorne: and then just visit the archive and look through different catalogs?
fluffypony: DrewHorne: you may want to check the bitcoin-otc order book
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne one could do that, sure.
fluffypony: sometimes there are things in there as well
DrewHorne: thanks ill scope it now
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, Austrian economic theory mostly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.00616423 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {3}
DrewHorne: seems to be more of a buy/sell log
DrewHorne: are there actually services / tasks requested of people on here?
fluffypony: DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion, this isn't a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P
DrewHorne: haha
DrewHorne: well trust is gained from any successful bitcoin transaction in which someone feels fit to rate you, correct?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
DrewHorne: so i could earn trust by either performing a task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying them immediately and correctly
mircea_popescu: you can read the above link too, it may clarify
DrewHorne: lol touche
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, yes I've read that
pankkake: lol TrustSharesIPO__ / TrustSharesIPO spamming the order book
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, so this then creates a more comprehensive gazette?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve so in those terms, it's valuable for enforcing the point 2, permanence.
HeySteve: right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement
mircea_popescu: indeed, adding a history of past ratings would be a good idea.
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade still working towards your comment btw.
DrewHorne: be back later, yall have a good one
mircea_popescu ponders that DrewPistols would be a pretty decent stripper name.
DrewHorne: where do you think i get my money from?
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, now it's not wywialm, but he says "thank you" :)
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ThickAsThieves: <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am trying to finetune the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke. this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?
ThickAsThieves: <bitcoinpete> speaking of the gaming industry, looks like it's promo, promo, zaniness http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37531/bungie-s-destiny-could-top-gta-5-as-most-expensive-game-ever/index.html /// i just watched the trailer this morning, looks okay, but kinda missing some sizzle if it wants to beat GTA
chetty: fixing things which are not broken is a serious disease, and its contagious
ThickAsThieves: I dont think it's hard to argue that the current WoT could be improved
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ThickAsThieves: pankakke's concern being one i also share, lack of historical ratings
fluffypony: I've just checked the db
fluffypony: nanotube doesn't log changes :(
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fluffypony: nanotube: y u UPDATE and not INSERT?
ThickAsThieves: maybe he keeps the printed log
fluffypony: checking github noa
ThickAsThieves: not that this is a 'problem' but i'd also like to see a way to rate entities which haven't registered in the WoT yet
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if this could be managed by an independent part
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davout: ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea
ThickAsThieves: i do too
ThickAsThieves: you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves?
kakobrekla: fluffypony theres a chan on freenode which prints all changes
ThickAsThieves: it's not a simple thing to solve or implement though
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> since when do criminals register for such themselves?// great point!!
HeySteve: I can see the value of rating unregistered entities
punkman: ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paypal
HeySteve: but there are problems :) they'd have to be clearly identified as proxies
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve, megacorps arent good examples
ThickAsThieves: they have reputation that transcends a log
HeySteve: it may be best to think of them as placeholder ratings which the entities can later assume once validated
ThickAsThieves: (i could spend time arguing otherwise)
punkman: well "entities" brings that kind of thing to mind
davout: ThickAsThieves: if i wanted to argue the opposite i'd say criminals that aren't in the wot weren't part of the economy in the first place, so that would be a non-issue
ThickAsThieves: a better example would be like JOsh from BFL
ThickAsThieves: or Peter Vesesnes
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves
fluffypony: what nick would you put josh under?
fluffypony: bfljosh? real name?
ThickAsThieves: well these are the finer problems
ThickAsThieves: you'd need to add several fields to the db
fluffypony: but it's the core of the problem
fluffypony: essential to the WoT is identity
ThickAsThieves: for Real Names and Known Aliases
ThickAsThieves: essentially
fluffypony: an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity
ThickAsThieves: probly with references
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fluffypony: which is why opt-in registration is important
fluffypony: the minute you allow the rating of unidentified individuals you take identity out of it
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have to know your real name to trade with you based on ratings
fluffypony: HeySteve: identity != real name
ThickAsThieves: opt-in registeration being easy and clean does not make unregistered identity handling unimportant
mircea_popescu: <davout> ThickAsThieves: i wonder if that's really a good idea << i don't think it is.
HeySteve: fluffypony, ok sure, just clarifying your meaning
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you see, if the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ?
ThickAsThieves: the question isnt has it ever happened
ThickAsThieves: it is whether it makes sense for it to be a requirement
HeySteve: the question then becomes who would hold the keys to the placeholder identity? seeing as that identity will also be able to rate people. so what happens if "PayPal" downvotes you?
mircea_popescu: but you askled "since when", when in point of fact it was always the case. only recently have courst strayed into this heresy that they have authority to judge over unwilling participants.
mircea_popescu: justice never involved this nonsense.
ThickAsThieves: so a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize the authority?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> ThickAsThieves: well there's Paypal for example, but how is that useful http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paypal << hardly useful tbh. just people using the wot to blog. they could have blogged better on a blog, or on twitter.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ayup.
ThickAsThieves: i suppose there is a more broken up punishment gazette, the blogosphere and forums etc
chetty: I suppose the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette
mircea_popescu: thart's just a forum
mircea_popescu: this is the problem : clueless people are trying to mix forum into pg.
mircea_popescu: they don't belong mixed and so can't mix.
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HeySteve: another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
mircea_popescu: anyweay davout's argument is souind : if they had no wot they were not part of the economy in the first place.
chetty: deal with something not on the wot at your own risk
mircea_popescu: force them to wot as part and parcel of doing business with them, know that their refusal to comply means they're scammers.
ThickAsThieves: plenty people not in the wot are part of the economy
fluffypony: Drew: [15:27:46] NaruFGT-phone: Looking for some quick help configuring sendmail, will pay BTC
ThickAsThieves: just not the economy you can trust
fluffypony: he's gone
HeySteve: I'm thinking there's a whole raft of WoT-related improvements only possible with some degree of hierarchial organisation
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so then... they aren't part of the economy. lol
ThickAsThieves: they arent part of our elitist portion of the economy
HeySteve: trusted nodes are appointed that can do things like register placeholder identities
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is like saying women that don't have sex are part of the dating market, just not my elitist subsection of it
mircea_popescu: next youi're going to claim the us is part of human culture, just, not the elitist part of it.
davout: chetty: deal with something on the wot at your own risk too!
davout: :D
ThickAsThieves: not quite mp
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves are people who will sell you a house/car but not sign a contract also part of the real estate/car markets
ThickAsThieves: surely there are people that dont know about or how to WoT, they we trust to be in our ecomonic sphere
ThickAsThieves: we invite them to join it when we think to
ThickAsThieves: it's incidental, not definitive
mircea_popescu: all purported economic activity that's not taking place between wot registered identities is deffective. if only one wot identity is involved, the whoile thing is in no substantial manner different from the medieval relations between peon and his lord.
mircea_popescu: if no wot identity is involved, the thing's irrelevant economically, might as well be two somalis trading cowries
mircea_popescu: in some undiscovered island somewhere.
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, what if to send Bitcoin to a WoT-registered party cost less in transaction fees than sending it to someone unregistered?
ThickAsThieves: that's incentivizing
HeySteve: yes, but what's the specific objection?
mircea_popescu: that is the specific objections, fo reals.
Apocalyptic: " is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades"
Apocalyptic: since when is the scope "recording Bitcoin trades" only ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic whence the quote ?
ThickAsThieves: well it's the bitcoin-otc WoT
ThickAsThieves: originally
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but it hasn't been purely for -otc since gribble first appeared on a non -otc channel
HeySteve: Apocalyptic, fair enough it's a fuzzier boundary
Apocalyptic: mircea, <HeySteve> another issue I forsee with rating of unregistered parties, is people extending the scope of the WoT beyond its intended purpose of recording Bitcoin trades. people will use it to downrate TV characters from soap operas
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Apocalyptic: a couple lines earlier
fluffypony: Naphex :)
mircea_popescu: HeySteve i think you misconstrue the scope of the wot.
HeySteve: perhaps Bitcoin trade, no S would have been nearer the mark
ThickAsThieves: ok, now i did mention this metaWoT being handled by an independent party
mircea_popescu: Naphex gotta love the gpg-centric view lol
Naphex: hehe
ThickAsThieves: couldnt it just be a separate WoT that had one real WoT account for integration?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not that narrow. the wot holds all trust in human society. all of it.
ThickAsThieves: i believe we discussed similar ideas in the past
ThickAsThieves: a wot web
mircea_popescu: soon enough political office will be decided simply by wots.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, in theory but in practical usage today, it's mostly for the Bitcoin community
mircea_popescu: to a large degree it already is, in the offices that matter anyway.
Naphex: *crypto community
mircea_popescu: HeySteve people.
Naphex: WoT was around before gribble as well
mircea_popescu: nobody;'s fault the rest of the bipedals aren't human.
Naphex: i remember crypto channels, with WoT auth
HeySteve: well, I was discussing the failings of democracy elsewhere as it's SA election day today
mircea_popescu: it's been the curse of the humancondition, this, for most times and places most bipedal life forms were bios rather than zoon
mircea_popescu: Naphex definitely. gribble is just an incremental improvement.
HeySteve: <DinoSaw> people's influence should rise and fall in accordance with their reputation, based on their recent actions
HeySteve: <DinoSaw> not vote for them today, giving them free reign to break their promises and do wtf they like / get paid to do for the next X years
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
HeySteve: I agree it has great application to politics, yet I still don't see why incentivising people to join the WoT is bad
mircea_popescu: HeySteve do you see why incentivising people to marry is bad ?
HeySteve: not in every case, no
mircea_popescu: i didn'tg say "it's in every case bad"
mircea_popescu: for it to be bad, it suffices that there is one case where it's bad.
HeySteve: maybe the country is low on population growth for eg
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about your country.
mircea_popescu: this is about individuals.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that matters.
ThickAsThieves: it's also a sliper fucking slope
HeySteve: it's about leading individuals to choices you consider to be in their best interest
HeySteve: like raising taxes on cigarettes
mircea_popescu: you have no business "considering" that.
ThickAsThieves: one day you invent the coupon, 20 years later you have an economy bent on quantity over quality
mircea_popescu: this is what bitcoin is here to do : make it impossible for pompous assholes to raise taxes on cigarettes.
HeySteve: what is society agrees cigarettes are bad?
Apocalyptic: that's irrelevany
Apocalyptic: *irrelevant
ThickAsThieves: then they wont smoke them
mircea_popescu: what society ?
mircea_popescu: whoever thinks they're bad can not smoke them
Naphex: what about second hand mambo jambo?:p
mircea_popescu: what about my firm conviction that you should go around naked ?
mircea_popescu: it's fucking better for you. strip, bitch!
mircea_popescu: you're giving me 2nd hand textillic retinopathy.
HeySteve: well, there is a collective good. individuals function within social boundaries
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as collective anything.
ThickAsThieves: that's a whole other (probably great) conversation
mircea_popescu: that's the myth of #fiat-asses.
davout: "2nd hand textillic retinopathy" <<< nice
ThickAsThieves: how wearing clothes shapes humanity
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves much softer footsoles, for one.
ThickAsThieves: well it's base deception right
ThickAsThieves: let me both hide and distract you with my very body
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ThickAsThieves: (clothes)
ThickAsThieves: this likely echoes across so many things
mircea_popescu: hugely compelx anthropotopic, this. and i am not actually arguing against clothes per se
HeySteve: hmm well, in the context I propose incentivising certain behaviours and taxing others, there is no central authority doing it. there is the code which people are free to use
mircea_popescu: merely pointing out how easily dysfunctional this "common good" argument is.
ThickAsThieves: i'll stay ot
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the only reason i comment is because you seemed to want to know why i wouldn't use it.
HeySteve: thus the argument against central authority is less meaningful. there are rules individuals agree to abide by
mircea_popescu: obviously.
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve, you couldnt do it anyway
HeySteve: I understand, I am looking more for an economic reason why doing things that way leads to failure
ThickAsThieves: discounting as a method is always a poor method of marketing
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're doing great covnersation : someone should write an essay on the possibility - in principle - of distinguishing between "common good" and "groupthink". writer out criteria, give me a method, break that shit up.
ThickAsThieves: it doesnt mean it cant work
mircea_popescu: i posit such a thing is impossible.
HeySteve: certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour which is harmful to the society
mircea_popescu: HeySteve "certainly, the welfare state sucks. it incentivizes behaviour."
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
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HeySteve: :D well here we don't quite agree, but yes it's a good debate to have
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Dimsler: whose betting?
Dimsler: correct
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves technically his could have been correct
mircea_popescu: if he were asking whose goose that is.
ThickAsThieves: but unlikely
Dimsler: whose would be possessive
Dimsler: in context
ThickAsThieves: his name is Dimsler after all
mircea_popescu: ;;ud dimsler
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Dimsler: argh
Dimsler: someone put a pic up of my house on google images
ThickAsThieves: from the wiki on peine forte et dure:
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ThickAsThieves: "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable
nanotube: fluffypony: you pinged, what's up?
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fluffypony: nanotube: I was looking at gribbles db
fluffypony: nanotube: why don't you insert ratings into the table instead of updating them, and then just use a subquery to group by rated_user_id / rater_user_id when getting data?
fluffypony: we're struggling with the lack of historical ratings when people change ratings
punkman: I remember seeing a link for dowloading the data in bulk on -otc.com, was it deprecated?
nanotube: well, i have logs... but i didn't think it would be useful to bloat the db with historical crud.
fluffypony: nanotube: ok then why not shift historical ratings into an archived rating table? that way the main ratings table doesn't bloat, but the historical data is still around
HeySteve: spamming changes could bloat the archive, it might be good to have a time limit or cost
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fluffypony: yeah, rate limit changes to 1 a day
davout: no
Apocalyptic: "New York - La banque américaine JPMorgan Chase est en train de fermer les comptes bancaires d'actuels et d'anciens dirigeants hauts placés non-américains et de diplomates, a-t-on appris mardi auprès d'une source proche du dossier"
nanotube: well it's not a bad idea generally speaking, just isn't how it happens presently. :)
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves, davout: why not? what's the use-case for multiple changes a day?
fluffypony: oic oic
fluffypony: ok didn't think about that
davout: fluffypony: also you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist
fluffypony: nanotube: if I get a bit of time I can make the changes and submit a PR?
Apocalyptic: it's already rate-limited as commands to gribble
Apocalyptic: which is like 10/minute
ThickAsThieves: if db bloat is a real problem, then treat it like backups, 1 yearly, 1 monthly, 1 weekly, 1 daily
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ThickAsThieves: then it becomes a backup system
ThickAsThieves: rather than historical
HeySteve: imposing costs for certain actions turns the WoT into something of a business, I'd favour that way to limit spam
HeySteve: the problem is imposing costs means you have to set costs, meaning you can't avoid (dis)incentivisation
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: well atm the db is 3mb, so I don't see it growing massively - double-ish that size if every single rating was updated:-P
ThickAsThieves: the issue is spam
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "Obviously, a criminal justice system that punished only those who volunteered for punishment was unworkable << this is what the contemporary thinks.
mircea_popescu: beware of obviously.
ThickAsThieves: basically the WoT is to be thought of as the very incentive itself
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lol good one
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: but then we're back to what davout said, solving a problem that doesn't exist
nanotube: fluffypony: well, we'd have to discuss the details of implementation first... and whether it's worth it at all. what exactly is the source of your need for historical data?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt frame it as a problem per se
fluffypony: nanotube: reference material + pankkake's laziness
davout: ThickAsThieves: well, then why would it need solving ?
ThickAsThieves: it's seeing if we can practically have access to more info
fluffypony: actually mostly pankkake's laziness
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mircea_popescu: all blame pankkake
ThickAsThieves: like the wayback machine
artifexd: Publicly accessible/searchable logs of #bitcoin-otc-ratings would suffice
ThickAsThieves: probably
mircea_popescu: im with artifexd actually. it's enough.
nanotube: haha well, doesn't sound like a great reason :P. but yea anyone's welcome to join -otc-ratings and log.
fluffypony: what if ratings changes were added to ;;events then?
nanotube: someone probably is.
ThickAsThieves: nanotube, what if you just post a file of the historical log
ThickAsThieves: for people to dl and parse however they like
ThickAsThieves: daily or whatever
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know sooner or later you'll have to make the plunge and learn how to make a bot
mircea_popescu: pick up supybot, it's not hard, will be a day of fun.
ThickAsThieves: it's suboptimal for anyone but gribble to do it
ThickAsThieves: beause you cant rate without gribble present
ThickAsThieves: but you csan without tatbot
mircea_popescu: you join it to -otc-events
mircea_popescu: and log.
mircea_popescu: this helps keep gribble honest, what if it later decides to lie ?
ThickAsThieves: so if gribble is doing it, you know it hasnt missed anything
ThickAsThieves: if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log
mircea_popescu: but if nobody is doing things like keeping the log
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> if gribble decides to lie much more is fucked than the log // he has a point
mircea_popescu: we'll never know if it ever decides to lie
mircea_popescu: how goes nubbins`
chetty: well sun may not rise in the morning, got to stop doubt somewhere
mircea_popescu: there are people who keep the sunrise log.
ThickAsThieves: this brings me to my next wot area of concern
ThickAsThieves: centralization
nubbins`: not bad! busy in the studio these days
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, with logs available it's pretty recoverable. trust required however
nubbins`: shopping for a stack cutter these days, looking at the Dahle 842: http://www.crddistribution.ca/images/cuttingSolutions/842_stack.jpg
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve only to a degree
ThickAsThieves: what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings
HeySteve: yeah that's what I mean, we must trust nanotube and gribble
HeySteve: and various links in how those key parts function
fluffypony: nubbins`: is that for trimming the edges off a stack of magazines/posters/whatever?
nubbins`: yep, will cut 200 pages at once
fluffypony: guillotine pro
ThickAsThieves: do you prefer manual over electric, or just saving money?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there was this guy tryhing to get a music festival going earlier.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> what if nanotube dies, gribble gets compromised and farts all over the ratings << we got teh logs ?
ThickAsThieves: what if the compromise is more insidious
ThickAsThieves: like it happens over a year
ThickAsThieves: or is otherwise difficult to detect
ThickAsThieves: what if the logs are a lie
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify is the recipe to perfect security.
mircea_popescu: 3rd party logs are all a lie ?
ThickAsThieves: i suppose not, assuming they are logged by several trustworthy parties
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify is also why eventual consistency is so deeply buried at the root of practical business.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` need to talk more about invoices etc. etc. been lazy recently gimme a ping when you aren't busy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, great concept
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pigeons: see #bitcoin-wot
fluffypony: pigeons
fluffypony: will that break compatibility with the existing WoT?
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pigeons: read it
pigeons: its different so, sort of
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fluffypony: I did read it
fluffypony: that's why I was asking
fluffypony: like is compatibility a goal at all, for eg.
mircea_popescu: o wow pigeons lives!
mircea_popescu: because im not happy with the The contract operationalizes the trust values in a currency-neutral
mircea_popescu: way, by making the values of 0-100 mean "percent of current world GDP
mircea_popescu: per capita that I would trust this person with".
pigeons: no i dont read paywalled sites ;)
pigeons: but yeah good point that is pretty weird metric
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nanotube: re centralization and trust: yes each rating ideally would be signed. (todo list...)
nanotube: re currency neutral trust measure: if you have anything else to suggest... i'd be happy to hear alternatives
davout: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 54 seconds
artifexd: Apocalyptic: Does Crypton keep logs?
Apocalyptic: it indeed does
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davout: "yes each rating ideally would be signed." <<< this
artifexd: Would you be willing to share? Specifically the logs from #bitcoin-otc-ratings.
Apocalyptic: It hasn't been logging for very long though
mircea_popescu: nanotube "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer’s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."
mircea_popescu: from the same link
artifexd: How long has it been keeping logs?
artifexd: Roughly
Apocalyptic: let me check
mircea_popescu: pigeons if you mostly don't read it you can pretend like it's not paywalled.
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Apocalyptic: from 2014/01/14 05:17:47 roughly
artifexd: Excellent. Thank you.
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Apocalyptic: yw, also there was some periods of downtime, so don't expect an exhaustive log
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nubbins`: ThickAsThieves money is the concern atm
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nubbins`: we won't be doing a huge amount of cutting, so a ~$1k manual cutter is more sensible than a $6-10k electric
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu a bitcoin music festival?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 402 @ 0.038 = 15.276 BTC {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.07318227 = 4.2446 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 230 @ 0.038 = 8.74 BTC {7}
nubbins` groans
nubbins`: "out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 86 @ 0.038 = 3.268 BTC {8}
mircea_popescu: like you know, 14 yo indian woman raped daily is a milennial too.
nubbins`: sweet, let's get 2bn chinese and pakistani kids together and throw a rave
mircea_popescu: gangam stayl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.038 = 3.61 BTC {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.071 = 2.13 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0633775 = 0.2535 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0332001 = 0.332 BTC [+]
nubbins`: rent in gangnam is like $10k/sqft
nubbins`: style indeed
nubbins`: bbl building a $1bn techno empire
nubbins` chuckles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03306806 = 0.2976 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 38 @ 0.038 = 1.444 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.038 = 0.912 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 161 @ 0.038 = 6.118 BTC {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012583 = 0.1258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 227 @ 0.038 = 8.626 BTC {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700001 = 0.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.038 = 1.9 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0700001 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 210 @ 0.038 = 7.98 BTC {5}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.038 = 0.76 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.07 = 4.48 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.038 = 4.446 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0700001 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 208 @ 0.038 = 7.904 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.038 = 0.456 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07156246 = 0.5725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 134 @ 0.00086211 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 108 @ 0.038 = 4.104 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.038 = 0.798 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0700001 = 0.49 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.038 = 0.532 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: chetty heh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 155 @ 0.038 = 5.89 BTC {5}
mircea_popescu: canada trying hard to make sure it won't exist in the future huh.
mircea_popescu: "Susan’s interest in crypto currency flows naturally from her abiding love of social media, the Internet and the environment."
mircea_popescu: the things these people imagine to constitute natural flow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03399998 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.038 = 0.494 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07451354 = 1.6393 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [-]
fluffypony: speaking of millenials
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28460 @ 0.00085656 = 24.3777 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: splendid document of what the absolutely normal teenager is, does, and looks like.
chetty: gubermint saying they failed to pay proper vigoresh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Check out the #nigger : ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: GRAAA-ta-taaaaa
thestringpuller: dude scrypt is actually selling?
thestringpuller: da fuq is this shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony didja want a via ?
fluffypony: a via?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: it's PETA's scrypt farm, they apparently have access to chipz
mircea_popescu: via @fluffypony
fluffypony: oh lol, no that's fine
mircea_popescu: i figured better not, seeing how you never know when it shows up on your sm profile :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000021 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020021 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44020011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [+] {3}
davout: fluffypony: nice one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.9842 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.0395 = 1.0665 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: benkay benkay benkay (does it work like beetlejuice?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.0395 = 1.5405 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: morning, thestringpuller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.44020005 = 0.8804 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 241 @ 0.0395 = 9.5195 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44001011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0395 = 0.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.006011 = 0.1202 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 750 @ 0.000515 = 0.3863 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07479105 = 0.374 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 222 @ 0.00423001 = 0.9391 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0339 = 0.5085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 45 @ 0.0395 = 1.7775 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2330 @ 0.00017237 = 0.4016 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1765 @ 0.00018028 = 0.3182 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.006011 = 0.1383 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4484 @ 0.00020766 = 0.9311 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 135 @ 0.00601 = 0.8114 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700101 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0395 = 0.869 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15580 @ 0.00085502 = 13.3212 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.0395 = 0.2765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330504 = 0.1653 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.0395 = 1.3825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03177155 = 0.2859 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.04015217 = 0.9235 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45989793 = 1.3797 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07474997 = 1.4202 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07479333 = 0.4488 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0748 = 0.1496 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.041 = 1.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 261 @ 0.0395 = 10.3095 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0395 = 1.4615 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: !up aabtc
assbot: Voicing aabtc for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004201 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45989887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: quite reasonable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0071198 = 0.178 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: not bad .jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.0395 = 1.9355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.45990908 = 4.5991 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70375084 BTC to 8`603 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.0395 = 2.3305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: old, but somehow missed this:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315001 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall the lulz that was ?
mircea_popescu: "we are not the identity police" etc.
mircea_popescu: gave the texans quite a scare.
asciilifeform: vaguely.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7366 @ 0.00085576 = 6.3035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.0395 = 4.9375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 130 @ 0.0395 = 5.135 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 385 @ 0.00419032 = 1.6133 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0319888 = 0.2879 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Baltimore police complaint hotline number connects callers to adult chat line - baltimoresun.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00085679 = 14.7368 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339 = 0.1695 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.4599999 = 1.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074297 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074297 = 0.2229 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03366061 = 0.3366 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.0395 = 1.975 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 127 @ 0.0395 = 5.0165 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03150009 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5827 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03146874 = 0.2517 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.031775 = 0.1271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03361343 = 0.3025 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0395 = 1.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00416111 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0319 = 0.2233 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03380761 = 0.4395 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.0395 = 1.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00425705 = 0.1064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 46 @ 0.0395 = 1.817 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 183 @ 0.0395 = 7.2285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.03338325 = 0.9347 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: oh god that vine wigga :/ it's torture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6485 @ 0.0395 = 256.1575 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07112491 = 0.3556 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07112501 = 0.4268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2272 @ 0.00012054 = 0.2739 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
fluffypony: pankkake: he's hardcore (tm)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1538 @ 0.00085115 = 1.3091 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.0395 = 1.422 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07114634 = 2.4901 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.0395 = 3.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.0395 = 2.4885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0395 = 0.553 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: 18:40:56 <+mircea_popescu> decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon << in english: when there is only one consonant in-between two vowels, the first vowel becomes "long" (usually).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0395 = 0.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Americans say "toona" instead of "tyoon-a"
fluffypony: *some* Americans, sorry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 61 @ 0.0395 = 2.4095 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: i just installed openbsd with a flash-drive, onto another flash-drive; so far this is the nicest OS i've ever had the pleasure to install
joecool: the firewall is sweet on it
thestringpuller: i couldn't install freebsd
thestringpuller: i totally failed at it
joecool: i think i remember looking at doing fbsd, but then i figured gentoo would be better for desktop
joecool: i ended up on obsd for a couple years on my laptop cause they had the best reverse engineered wifi drivers
joecool: and linux couldn't make up its mind on what wireless stack to adopt (there were like 6 or 7)
turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: Hey what about showing the weight of bets in the middle of the betboxmetadiv s on the mainpage?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: What kind of hardware?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 734 @ 0.00085261 = 0.6258 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: The Devil's Advocate - Home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 400 @ 0.0008808 = 0.3523 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, so far I'm testing it out on one of the many old boxes that have been taking up space in my room; the one that worked is a "Shuttle"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Cool, I'm just playing it on an older x86 box atm. Was wondering if you'r tried it with newer hardware.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0008572 = 14.6581 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
fluffypony: funroll-all-the-loops!
fluffypony kicks gcc
fluffypony: time to switch back to icc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0395 = 0.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0395 = 0.9875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0395 = 1.185 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6758 @ 0.00011861 = 0.8016 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.0395 = 0.9085 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0395 = 0.1185 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you going to remove oix?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.0395 = 2.8045 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21102 @ 0.00085731 = 18.091 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 122081 @ 0.00010133 = 12.3705 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.0395 = 0.5925 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: FEC chair warns that conservative media like Drudge Report and Sean Hannity face regulation --- like
chetty: Chris Sevier, a man from Florida, believes he should be allowed to wed his Macbook.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0395 = 0.1975 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: chetty: Who can truly tell that man his love is wrong.
thestringpuller: what is jetlife
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011687 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: where you wanna catch a game at?
thestringpuller: i never been to St Louis stadium
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: That's a good question. I'm kind of delaying the issue atm due to some medical stuff. Busch should be fine though.
thestringpuller: sorry to hear that :(
BingoBoingo: It happens
thestringpuller: i wasn't planning on an itenerary before July
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085609 = 13.2694 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: what a trooper
BingoBoingo: At least I've been able to sit down these past few days.
thestringpuller: new blog posts will be coming then? :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0395 = 2.2515 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah. Just adjusting to sobriety and these analgesics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00012895 = 3.8685 BTC [+] {27}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12890 @ 0.00014612 = 1.8835 BTC [+] {8}
BingoBoingo: Could drink now and completely blow the liver being on all of these antibiotics, or wait this out and drink fruitfully long into the future.
kakobrekla: turbo_ac100 that would make it too crammed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.0395 = 7.9 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller proll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2700 @ 0.00014699 = 0.3969 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 79 @ 0.0395 = 3.1205 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: I've talked with Unisys by voice and E-mail, and the voice discussion was entirely unsatisfactory as I posted when it happened - basically the Unisys guy said anyone who sells code for $100-$300 a pop was a total _____ for selling it that cheap.
mircea_popescu: and these are 1993 dollars, pre 5 or so bubbles. prolly 5k in today's obamadollars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3810 @ 0.000145 = 0.5525 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
dub: uniwat?
mircea_popescu: this old company, sort-of like a jpmorgan of the 90s.
mircea_popescu: at the time it was a big deal.
mircea_popescu: now it sells rubber ducklings imported from malaysia.
dub: I know wat unisys are, the ultimate consultancy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00013001 = 2.2102 BTC [-] {4}
Apocalyptic: consulting on how to import ducklings successfully ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they pissed everyone off with their appaling treatment of the lzw patent
mircea_popescu: which they shouldn't havew had in the first place.
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: anyone see the SEC investor warning
mircea_popescu: see logs.
ozbot: An Update on Toyota and Unintended Acceleration « Barr Code
BCB: anyone see the California Lawyer Bitcoin article
Azelphur: BCB: what SEC warning?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/dxDbenBTGp0 note the allahu snackbars getting progressively louder
Mats_cd03: kinda like car alarms, but fucktarded
BCB: My favorite quote “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not the paperwork police.”
BCB: Another Trendon Shavers
BCB: Azelphur: how is the beach? Getting warm there yet?
Azelphur: BCB: great, nice and warm (But air conditioning), sunshine and beach babes, can't complain.
BCB: Azelphur: you should set up a live-stream bikini-cam!
Azelphur: BCB: I had one for a while, but I don't have anything high resolution enough to see detail :p
ozbot: The Heart Brain
BCB: Azelphur: details are important
Azelphur: hehe
Azelphur: BCB: got a friend of mine and aldur1 coming down, gonna raise the collective IQ of the town by a few points.
BCB: Ha! I bet!
Azelphur: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: and one for the bucket list: base jumping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtundW1rZ2A
Mats_cd03: Aaaand that's all for today
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: lol! why does throttle need to be electric again?
Mats_cd03: why does everything have to be electric is the better question
asciilifeform: 'in the future, all chairs shall be electric.'
Mats_cd03: i guess it would be cool if you could electrify my dong
Mats_cd03: erection via BLE
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: even this has been done.
Mats_cd03: i live in america, its probably too expensive :( that would be quite a firmware upgrade
dub: my toyota is plagued by unintented acceleration
pankkake: try the electrified butt plugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2744 @ 0.00013 = 0.3567 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: re: unisys: pediwikia has an interesting summary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisys#Controversies
ozbot: Statoshi by jlopp
asciilifeform: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: how do you guys feel about the Pomodoro technique
thestringpuller: or just about focus techniques in general
thestringpuller: never really see too much info on that in this channel
fluffypony: thestringpuller
fluffypony: I use pomodoro when I've got too much on my plate
Mats_cd03: my focus technique is to get super baked and do work
fluffypony: otherwise I work on something for 5 minutes and then get distracted by this other thing I need to do
fluffypony: pomodoro is really good for that scenario
thestringpuller: pomodoro helps me to output so much more code
BCB: thestringpuller: bitcoin is over
thestringpuller: it's even good for meetings
fluffypony: but outside of that I drop 100mg Provigil in the morning and I'm fine
thestringpuller: start a pomodoro and force people to stay on topic for at least 25 minutes
thestringpuller: these kids an provigil
thestringpuller: isn't that an anti-narcoleptic?
thestringpuller: like da fuq
fluffypony: yep pretty much
Mats_cd03: i like it but it doesn't help me focus
thestringpuller: def keeps you awake
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I found I was having a nap in the afternoon
fluffypony: and I didn't like having 2-3 cups of coffee at 2pm
thestringpuller: i think that might be my first real blog post
fluffypony: just to keep going
thestringpuller: how to use the pomodoro
fluffypony: thestringpuller: do it
thestringpuller: i have to migrate my blog from tumblr
thestringpuller: thestringpuller.tumblr.com
Mats_cd03: i dont experience much (<25%) cognitive decline after 24 hours when i temper it with provigil across the same period
Mats_cd03: iirc this is why usaf pilots are now on provigil regimens instead of amphetamines for long overflight missions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: yea but you still burn out certain receptors for long durations
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: and it's a gentle lift, not an extreme yank, which is nice
Mats_cd03: fluffypony: i too have napped on it, but i consume 50mg during waking periods i use it to avoid developing a tolerance
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: oh I meant I napped without it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00085551 = 21.1311 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: when I'm on it I don't nap
Mats_cd03: i remember reading about a poker player consuming ridiculous doses, like close to a gram, because he abused it for so long to gain a perceived edge in training sessions and subsequently tournaments
fluffypony: that's nuts
Mats_cd03: its really not terribly special other than the edge case where you need all the cognitive performance you can get while sustaining on low sleep
thestringpuller: damn i'm going to miss MPOE-PR's writing
thestringpuller: onto bigger and better things I suppose
thestringpuller: I'm spending my downtime at work re-reading posts from when I was a n00b
Mats_cd03: you can't train people to operate effectively on low sleep, infanteers have been trying for millennia
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: agreed
fluffypony: my use case is 5-6 hours of sleep a night + focus during waking hours
Mats_cd03: thestringpuller: digitalocean + Ghost (a blogging thingmajig) works pretty well for me
fluffypony: node.js :/
fluffypony: "Node.js is the platform which powers Ghost. Being built on Chrome's JavaScript runtime, makes it fast, scalable, and incredibly efficient."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "because if it's good enough for your browser, it can for realz handle tens of thousands of concurrent connections!"
Mats_cd03: idk anything about the web
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14049999 = 0.562 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: re: modafinil (provigil)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1348 @ 0.00012925 = 0.1742 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: For blogging the right tool, is usually, probably going to be some wordpress thing.
BingoBoingo: Then the things you like/dislike about wordpress shape the next choice
ozbot: TLS 1.3 Draft Prepares to Drop Static RSA Key Exchange - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [+]
fluffypony: wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama?
davout: fluffypony: it's actually the reactor pattern that rocks
fluffypony: davout: then they should pitch it like that
davout: what?
fluffypony: davout: they're saying node.js is fast/scalable/efficient because it's powered by a browser technology
fluffypony: but it's the reactor pattern that rocks
fluffypony: so they should pitch it like that
davout: why ?
davout: if you're a retard that doesn't have a clue you'll take it at face value, if you know what the reactor pattern is and how evented IO is nice you'll read between the lines
fluffypony: I spose
davout: see, if marketing was about communicating precise and factual information, then it wouldn't be marketing anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.00085799 = 10.6665 BTC [+]
pankkake: is it because browser technology or because google?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
pankkake: !up Hiro2
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
davout: pankkake: because it's derpcentralized
pankkake: !up Hiro2
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
pankkake: bleh
assbot: Need a nickname, pankkake.
pankkake: !up Hiro2
assbot: Voicing Hiro2 for 30 minutes.
Hiro2: thank you
Hiro2: could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends?
Hiro2: I won passthru from Havelock
Hiro2: own*
pankkake: as far as I know, there's not enough revenue to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.041 = 2.05 BTC [-]
Hiro2: and ActiveMining? has it been two weeks yet for old shares to be active?
pankkake: their finances aren't very transparent right now :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.041 = 1.148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00085793 = 16.5152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.0425 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.033 = 0.627 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 49 @ 0.041 = 2.009 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4599999 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00085812 = 9.1252 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 277 @ 0.0014 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> try the electrified butt plugs << actually those are kinda bad for you. there is such a thing as electric burns of the mucosa.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller tumblr is for pronz
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> wasn't there a kick up recently about Havelock not actually being registered in Panama? << yes.
mircea_popescu: <Hiro2> could anyone tell me why ASICMINER is no longer giving out dividends? << asicminer seems to be going to shit.
mircea_popescu: well, they've been going to shit for a while, but the slide is accelerating
mircea_popescu: !up Visitor
assbot: Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: activeminer lawl.
asciilifeform: electric burns of the mucosa << easily confused for electrolytic burns (h2o splits, salt present, hcl. yuck.) to avoid this, use strictly alternating current (no dc bias.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.0425 = 1.0625 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: (most folks who complain of burns from playing with biostimulators are getting exactly this)
ryepdx: Hiro2: Not sure if this went through the first time, as I'm having connectivity issues. The reason (AFAIK) was to raise capital to produce their next-gen miners and chips. The next round of dividends are projected to come out on May 27th, at which point they'll be moving to a monthly dividend schedule. Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg6465166#msg6465166
ryepdx: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the tip.
asciilifeform: so long as you follow this and other safety formulae (all electrodes below the belt) you can get some... interesting results. males, females both.
asciilifeform: what results - left as exercise for the alert reader / experimenter.
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.02224689 BTC; +0.00374863 BTC (+0.0023%) since last check 22h 43m 27s ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.0008597 = 23.0829 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol look at fluffypony killing it with teh scamcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00086168 = 9.4785 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so opened on feb 8th at 0.025, peaked at .1, then piefaced towards 0.015ish. is it dead ?
BingoBoingo: It can still go lower.
mircea_popescu: well sure. .015 is still 150000x a doge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I kind of want to see it locked into that ratio with doge as it crashes
mircea_popescu: !up taub
assbot: Voicing taub for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot taub
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user taub: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=taub | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=taub | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: To where You can't trade a single doge for a satoshi
taub: i suck at using that auth
mircea_popescu: taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up
taub: whats assbots l2 oO
mircea_popescu: being rated by people who have been rated by assbot
taub: does anyone else think hitbtc is faking volume like crazy?
mircea_popescu: with the exception of mpex, everyone is.
taub: bitfinex and bitstamp seem legit
mircea_popescu: stamp, btc-e, all the play-pretend stock exchanges in history, from glbse onwards, and definitely all the "greatest best first ever" blablas.
mircea_popescu: mtgox faked its volume, too.
mircea_popescu: so did bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: the list doesn't end.
taub: getting chopped trying to find the end to this slump, buying too early :/
taub: i think it's turning soon tho
taub: or we go below 380 then srs trouble
mircea_popescu: !up toastee
assbot: Voicing toastee for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: taub what difference does it make, i still have btc i bought at 2.
BingoBoingo: Some time in the next week someone's going to be sending me PPUSD, prolly need to start scouting people I can unload them on.
BingoBoingo: When that happens, then bitcoin may once again proceed towards moon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00086244 = 25.2695 BTC [+] {2}
taub: china let me down :(
BingoBoingo: taub: They let Mao down too. It happens.
mircea_popescu: "CNBC Correspondent, alum @NYUStern (MBA) and @MiamiUniversity, country music & college football enthusiast --- livin' the NYC dream but forever a proud Ohioan"
mircea_popescu: a proud... ohioan ?! you've got to be kidding me
mircea_popescu: they let anyone in nyc these days.
BingoBoingo: They always have, it's why NYC get a commie mayor.
mircea_popescu: o, i forgot they did that.
mircea_popescu: i imagine on the mid term nyc will be more like paris huh
BingoBoingo: Or Mogadishu, hard to say.
mircea_popescu: well that'd be paris.
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so today i learned that mra is a thing. and in the process :
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: mra
mircea_popescu: check out the ud bias lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to write about this nao.
princessnell: mra = beta-driven inverted feminism
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34126 @ 0.00086429 = 29.4948 BTC [+] {4}
taub: what a joke, constant trades average size of 0.5 that happen between the spread outta nowhere
mircea_popescu: the internet is, practically speaking, a collection of frogs and cicadas arguing as to which one set is the true operatic singer.
taub: http://puu.sh/8DsdW.png totally legit volume distribution
taub: shitbtc
mircea_popescu: taub what's in the graph ?
taub: daily btceur of hitbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3972 @ 0.00012314 = 0.4891 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: taub i don't know anyone that uses hitbtc anyway
taub: yea i suppose it's not a big deal
taub: yet bitcoincharts wont rank houbi, but they'll rank this ;D
mircea_popescu: what's houbi ?
kakobrekla: the difference is that hitbtc is not china afaik, taub .
kakobrekla: at least thats their reasoning imo
moiety: hallo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.0008866 = 10.1516 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
moiety: how are you BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Been both better and worse
moiety: ?? how's your cold been? and have you had an update?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46499989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.46499999 = 5.58 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.469999 = 4.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0313 = 0.1565 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hi moiety
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 164 @ 0.0043 = 0.7052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.031224 = 0.1561 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: mew mircea_popescu how are you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0710003 = 0.497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 77 @ 0.041 = 3.157 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pretty great
moiety: :D how is m.pif doing?
moiety: theres a rogue dot in there isn't there
kakobrekla: you know, it starts with 'fund' and ends with 'fund', so winklevossy. you are better off just saying 'mund'.
moiety: i'm roaming around the wiki
moiety: ended up having visitors ive not seen for a long time hence absence and no guide
moiety: would you rather see a paste first before i plod around the wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00088212 = 4.6752 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say about the others, but 'btc-e' faking volume is a testable hypothesis.
asciilifeform: (one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc)
asciilifeform: why anyone should wish to do this, is another matter.
kakobrekla: moiety if you were talking about ba wiki , go ahead and plod, thats why its there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0740001 = 0.74 BTC [+]
dub: !down mobgod
assbot: Insufficient rights, dub, !up yourself on PM first.
thestringpuller: dub dub haven't seen you in a while
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (one could, in principle, take its real-time published trades and attempt buy/sell, see if it is matched at a particular offer, etc) << fake book != fake history.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
dub: thestringpuller: sup
princessnell: i was honored to be cited on trilema
princessnell: v exciting
dub: you put stationary in ur butt?
mircea_popescu: o was it your first time princessnell ?
princessnell: you tell me!
princessnell: or u mean anywhere?
mircea_popescu: princessnell no i mean on trilema o.O
princessnell: well i haven't scoured every post yet
mircea_popescu: !up realzies
assbot: Voicing realzies for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, real book transmuting to fake history is detectable with the only slightly non-naked eye
asciilifeform: supposing anyone gave a damn.
artifexd: Did the self voicing rules change?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. jitney is an unsolved problem in the fiat markets either.
mircea_popescu: artifexd not afaik. why ?
artifexd: As I understand it, to self up one must be in assbot's l2 (or higher).
artifexd: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#665321 <- implies that l3 is sufficient. Rated by someone rated by assbot.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: that's l2.
asciilifeform: jitney ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform common penny stock fraud. two brokers pass the stock back and forth to create the semblance of volume.
asciilifeform: aha, so 'fake' as in shills, rather than cooked books as such
artifexd: Assbot rates bob. Bob is in assbots's l1. Bob rates George. George is in Assbot's l2. George rates Nancy. Nancy is in Assbot's l3. Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding somethign?
asciilifeform: 'painted tape' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00088342 = 16.4316 BTC [+]
artifexd: In that example, Bob and George could self up, but Nancy could not. Right?
mircea_popescu: artifexd right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00021402 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Rated by someone rated by assbot". l2.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well painting is more like price fixing
artifexd: Being rated by someone in assbots l2 doesn't do anything useful for self voicing though, right?
mircea_popescu: also a little more risky, in the sense you may end up beaten to shit by the market.
mircea_popescu: artifexd right.
artifexd: Ok. I'll chalk it up to you making a typo and that the rules didn't change.
mircea_popescu: wait what typo did i make!
artifexd: mircea_popescu:taub you need to get rated by someone in assbot's l2, then id with gribble and pm assbot !up <- you need to be rated by someone in assbot's l1
asciilifeform: it makes arithmetical sense, that, using shills, an exchange can generate whatever 'market' price spectra it likes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if it has infinite resources.
asciilifeform: what resource expenditures are needed, assuming the 'fake' prices are higher than the genuine market price ?
asciilifeform: (sell, rather than buy)
asciilifeform: fake sellers offer inflated price, fake buyers buy at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone could sell (even short) your stock, taking "your" profits you paid to generate.
asciilifeform: like the $10,000 video game machines on ebay.
mircea_popescu: this is generally why scammers bitch and whine about how shorts are bad :
mircea_popescu: they have just pushed the stock price up fraudulently, and don't want to be raped for it.
mircea_popescu: so they ask govt to intervene and distort the market.
asciilifeform: afaik 'btc-e' offers no stock?
mircea_popescu: either btc or fait can be the "stock"
mircea_popescu: a trade's a trade.
asciilifeform: so it follows that btc-e is eligible for raping?
asciilifeform: or, failing that, could be induced to operate outside of the stated parameters, proving bezzle
mircea_popescu: we are discussing quite different things. i said jitney, you proposed to replace it with painting the tape, i pointed out that that's different.
mircea_popescu: it is different.
asciilifeform begins to understand
decimation: Herr Walker reviews a book about high frequency trading: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-05/001510.html
decimation: leads to http://investorsexchange.com (not a joke site!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15225 @ 0.00088212 = 13.4303 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: associated with... expertSexchange?
decimation: heh don't think so
decimation: "This exchange, IEX, (it was originally to be called ?Investors Exchange?, but the founders realised that the obvious Internet domain name, investorsexchange.com, could be infelicitously parsed into three words as well as two), would include technological constraints (including 38 miles of fibre optic cable in a box to create latency between the point of presence where traders could attach and the servers which matched bids and asks) which
decimation: rendered the strategies of the HFTs impotent and obsolete. "
decimation: lol 38 miles of fiber in a box
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure we lolled at that domain before.
asciilifeform: i recall seeing a photo of this very box, here.
decimation: yeah probably
decimation: the question is: do you trust the fiat brigade to maintain the "integrity" of their 38 miles? Who audits the delay time?
asciilifeform: chumpatronics.
mircea_popescu: Sep 19 23:03:52 <deizel>bitcoinsexchange.com (later a hyphen is added to clear things up, bitcoins-exchange.com)
mircea_popescu: nm. different one
decimation: the greater chumpatron sucks chumps attempting to evade lesser chumpatrons
moiety: kakobrekla: done. would you see if it's of any use please?
mircea_popescu: so there's been a sexchange of bitcoin, experts and investors so far. who's next ?
decimation: you know your "market" has entered LOListan when exchanges compete, promising to screw the customer slightly less
mircea_popescu: obamasexchange.biz ?
decimation: that sounda more like future news
moiety: kakobrekla: why does my title have - and not spaces -_- sorry will delete
dub: dc's in and near exchanges all have minimum cable distance to make it 'fair' from what Ive heard
decimation: yeah but there are clear incentives to "cheat"
dub: which is why the house enforces it
mircea_popescu: the funny part being that this hft thing is a solved problem, mpex doesn't have it.
mircea_popescu: you don't need 38 miles of cable either
asciilifeform: the problem, as i understand, exists where people wish it to exist.
BingoBoingo: That trilema article was one of the most revealing to me
dub: there used to be serious competition to be in closer racks
decimation: I guess the only reason there is a front running "problem" is because only a small oligarchy has access to the market
artifexd: I've never understood why hft is a problem.
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd say it exists because a wide nonoligarchy somehow got the mistaken impression it should have access to the market.
decimation: imagine you are the CEO of IBM: you know whether you hold a clown circus for your next board meeting or not, all the chumps are going to auto-buy your stock next Thursday
mircea_popescu: what exact value would one expect from joe the plumber's knowledge of stocks and the world around him to be passed through his 3k into apple's market
mircea_popescu: decimation for instance, buffett refused small investors precisely for this reason. fuck you, we don't want your stupid.
decimation: also, the small investor has no say, even if he's not stupid
mircea_popescu: well, he has the say of his buy or sell, whatever it is. that's a say
decimation: because the votes of his 401k shares are excercised on his behalf
asciilifeform: we don't want your stupid << at the poker table, they certainly want the stupid.
mircea_popescu: fifty milion idiots with 10 dollars each made britney spears a reality.
decimation: most USian's don't have any choice on what to buy
decimation: "stock fund" or "bond fund"
mircea_popescu: this is also true
decimation: and the shares they own in these "funds" convey no rights
asciilifeform: fortunately, it remains possible to buy... nothing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, the other market participants do want it. the corp tho doesn;t.
asciilifeform: at least at the moment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this takes us to the deep reason mpex is oft maligned on the sm : reddit, tardstalk et all are mostly made up of would-be daytraders, in their own head.
mircea_popescu: these are very insulted by a flat refusal to allow chumps at table.
decimation: so, basically banks and investment brokers end up excercising the ownership rights of idiots
decimation: which solves buffet's problem to some extent
mircea_popescu: decimation used to work fine up until they started hiring idiots.
asciilifeform once allowed 100 usd to vanish into '401k' nonsense through slothful inaction (forgot to fill out form to zap it after it was issued by an employer)
asciilifeform took off hat, paid respects, said good-bye to the hundy.
mircea_popescu: how much is it worth now ?
decimation: asciilifeform you can avoid some of the 401k madness if your company offers a "Roth 401k"
asciilifeform: decimation: why would i want any
BingoBoingo: Generally in the US Roth anything is less insane
decimation: you pay taxes up front, but you can withdrawl the principal investment (not the earnings) at any time
BingoBoingo: But that still isn't sane
decimation: well, I guess if you want to pay more tax
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: better a tax than a straight disappearance into neverneverland
decimation: I guess the gov't makes you pay one way or the other.
decimation: asciilifeform, many us corps (due to heavy USG encouragement) pay incentives to "invest" in 401ks
decimation: like, we will pay you 5% more if you "invest" 5%
asciilifeform: yeah, they do
decimation: you can see how this feeds the above-outlined chumpatron
asciilifeform: would you send 5% to nigerian scammers if someone offered to pay you 5% more for the trouble?
decimation: worse, they will pay 5% to the scammers, on the understanding that you can one day collect
mircea_popescu: ^ employer matching
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: "pour your milk in this hole, we'll pour some more milk after it"
mircea_popescu: always made me think of the 1930s milk pouring exercises
asciilifeform: typically, this comes with a caveat, that the matched $ is yours only after x years of faithful servitude
mircea_popescu: wouldn't those have been great if the farmers didn't have to pour 100% of the milk poured,
mircea_popescu: but if stupid consumers did half of it ? then they could buy it... again.
decimation: the IRS "safe harbor" rule is that as long as you "pay" your janitor 3% in his 401k, you can offer any amount you wish to anyone else in your company
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/401%28k%29 " If the less compensated employees save more for retirement, then the HCEs are allowed to save more for retirement. "
ozbot: 401(k) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: the problem with Roth plans: "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further..."
mircea_popescu: how's taht specific to roth anything ?
asciilifeform: i won't be the least bit surprised when 401k, etc. confiscation is instituted for emigres
asciilifeform: 'betrayed the motherland, sentenced to confiscation'
decimation: well, the roth deal is that you pay tax up front, on the promise that you never pay tax again...
ozbot: The endless story of Korea. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: see the story of mr perry.
asciilifeform: precisely it.
mircea_popescu: "Plaintiff seeks to make his case solely upon the theory that, by reason of the change in the weight of the dollar he is entitled to $1.69 in the present currency for every dollar promised by the bond, regardless of any actual loss he has suffered with respect to any transaction in which his dollars may be used. We think that position is untenable."
mircea_popescu: make deal with usg to be repaid so and so.
mircea_popescu: get repaid 55%. tough.
asciilifeform: take the money, spend on beer. they can't make you un-drink the beer, at least.
decimation: "we think that position is untenable"
mircea_popescu: court thinks your position is untenable
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the same government paid its own employees a full 100%
mircea_popescu: because well.
mircea_popescu: the gestapo you gotta pay. else the court may not "think"
decimation: USG pays its employees in its own scrip, and they think it's a great deal
mircea_popescu: decimation no, at the time, it paid people overseas (and select foreign governments)
mircea_popescu: at the 1.69 rate it wouldn'
mircea_popescu: t pay a mere citizen
ozbot: Borrowing from the G Fund (Again) to Offset the Debt Ceiling - FedSmith.com
mircea_popescu: agreements be damned.
decimation: "The G Fund holds approximately 37 percent of all TSP balances held by the 4.6 million TSP participants. As most readers know, the TSP is similar to a 401(k) retirement fund for about 4.6 million current and former government employees and uniformed service members. To make up for the deficit spending by the government, the Treasury has ?suspended reinvestment? or taken assets out of the G Fund to pay for other expenses."
decimation: the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date.
decimation: I guess if they won't work as free employees they can always "have problems" and then work as zeks
asciilifeform: most of the people involved, sadly, can only be redeemed as... biodiesel.
decimation: have you read The First Circle ascii?
asciilifeform: familiar with the background, however.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <decimation> the bigger story is that 37% of fed retirment money is invested in a "fund" that has returned %0.82 year-to-date. << and then we cuss out people for "investing" in glbse&co
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0425 = 0.255 BTC [+]
decimation: mircea, the NSA is searching for a private citizen to donate to their new museum: Imagine how much it would cost to get your picture in the lobby? http://www.cryptologicfoundation.org/content/New-Museum-Project/
mircea_popescu: that's ok, they'll prolly do it for free.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the message couldn't be louder or clearer : the nsa is being retired.
asciilifeform: they've had a museum for ages
decimation: Re: price of gold adjustment during the FDR-era: http://books.google.com/books?id=53zTrfaIqSEC&pg=PA322 "we were thinking an increase of 19 to 22 cents. Roosevelt took one look at me and suggested a rise of 21 cents. "It's a lucky number," the President said with a laugh, "because it's three times seven"
asciilifeform: fellow i know wanted to take his kid there, and drove into the wrong gate
asciilifeform: they let him out. after a while.
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's wondering who ron isler is, btw, http://www.topdog08.com/2005/09/who_the_hell_is.html )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00601155 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {4}
decimation: is this related to those guys who claimed to attack that power substation in CA?
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine it is.
asciilifeform: a hypothetical retirement of nsa would be interesting, supposing the americans have built a tank in which to breed folks who can actually keep secrets - like fish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 400 @ 0.00282619 = 1.1305 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: failing that, it would have to be operated 'sharashka'-style.
asciilifeform: ('it' being replacement nsa)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the more apocalyptic scenario : there's no secret currently kept by the nsa that we don't already know.
mircea_popescu: it's probably the more accurate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.0064 = 0.64 BTC [+]
ozbot: Aquarium - Soviet Military Intelligence Service 3/10 Full movie English subtitles - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ infamous scene, showing how to keep organization that keeps secrets.
asciilifeform: (in the original books, the condemned was pulled out of the fire in the last moment, because an 'honourable' coffin came in, and took precedence. after which, the ceremony resumed.)
TheNewDeal: thank you, assbot
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: that bastille day offer still on the table?
TheNewDeal: yes it is, through today
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