#trilema | 2014-02-13

moiety: http://i.imgur.com/dDMRjAS.png

bitcoinpete: Mats_cd03: merci

herbijudlestoids: the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets.

herbijudlestoids: make sense or not?

herbijudlestoids: austerity will not solve this problem

mircea_popescu: <bloctoc> " pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer.

mircea_popescu: same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel.

MisterE: yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed

herbijudlestoids: just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital

BingoBoingo: moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan.

MisterE: *sigh* humans suck

mircea_popescu: except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less

KRS-One: i resemble that remark

herbijudlestoids: MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar.

moiety: aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine

MisterE: which is not worth the paper it's printed on

MisterE: backed up by a stack of IOUs

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile i agree, it's escaped.

herbijudlestoids: MisterE: those two statements have *always* been true, at least since 1970s

MisterE: actually dollars are rags not paper

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yes sure.

MisterE: yea true

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance

MisterE: there was a chance in the late 00s

moiety: well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon"

moiety: aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits

herbijudlestoids: my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over

MisterE: mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that

BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it.

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: highly likely.

mircea_popescu: MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle.

MisterE: they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest

MisterE: they are spoiled

herbijudlestoids: i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you

mircea_popescu: perfect.

mircea_popescu: ty ty.

MisterE: thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia

herbijudlestoids: just trying to put my 2c out there

herbijudlestoids: 2satoshis even

MisterE: heh

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D

herbijudlestoids: butthole, i do, i got just over 2

herbijudlestoids: i got 0.02BTC

MisterE: I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go

MisterE: like 2-years ago

mircea_popescu: o hey wd!

mircea_popescu: btc was 30 2 years ago

MisterE: well, whenever it was 5

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2

mircea_popescu: fuck me no it wasn't

MisterE: ^ sounds more right

mircea_popescu: whoa how quickly we forget.

MisterE: err less wrong

MisterE: not us losers :p

MisterE: we dont forget

mircea_popescu: no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago

BingoBoingo: BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story.

BingoBoingo: And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam

BingoBoingo: Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default.

BingoBoingo: Then it went down to $4

bitcoinpete: MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive.

MisterE: pfft the upside is still exponential

BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham.

MisterE: plus I been buying the dips

jcpham: where can i get bitcoins?

bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nope

jcpham: do i mine them?

bitcoinpete: Ha

BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's?

MisterE: If you live in a big city localbitcoins.com

bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to

jcpham: i trolling this chat is retarded to me

jcpham: i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers

BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services.

jcpham: basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info

MisterE: invoice is in the mail jcpham

BingoBoingo: lol jcpham that's how I finally made /.

herbijudlestoids: jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here

jcpham: i'm just jaded

MisterE: actually expanding the community benefits us all

mircea_popescu: jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D

herbijudlestoids: i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol

mircea_popescu: how am i jaded!

MisterE: jaded how?

herbijudlestoids: dude you are post jaded

BingoBoingo: I wonder that as well.

MisterE: lol

mircea_popescu: MisterE now do it in a pesci voice

MisterE: post-jaded

BingoBoingo: I am constantly in a state of wonder

bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: haha k

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ?

jcpham: no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed

jcpham: except every day

mircea_popescu: o that. i guess i'm jaded then.

jcpham: i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat

herbijudlestoids: how do i call urban dictionary?

herbijudlestoids: ;;urban jaded

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face

gribble: Error: "urban" is not a valid command.

BingoBoingo: ;;ud jaded

gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded | jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ...

ozbot: Urban Dictionary: jaded

mircea_popescu: that'd be a little different :)

BingoBoingo: .bait

ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ecuvzL6i1r09wbpo1_500.jpg

herbijudlestoids: hmm. i was hoping for a different definition

herbijudlestoids: hey yo i got a question about the baits!

herbijudlestoids: forgot, thhought of it last night

mircea_popescu: o look, she's all laided.

herbijudlestoids: why does ozbot not pull from imgur.com/r/gonewild?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox

MisterE: :D

bitcoinpete: *sigh* I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers.

herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: tell me about it

MisterE: yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame

BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it.

bitcoinpete: never tried the others

bitcoinpete: trilema pointed here

bitcoinpete: no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami

BingoBoingo: You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions

mircea_popescu: o look, i have a captive audience.

MisterE: mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks

herbijudlestoids: wut MisterE sed

BingoBoingo: MisterE: Give East StL a try

herbijudlestoids: coke in london is what... $50/g?

bitcoinpete: mircea: just like you always dreamed

mircea_popescu: til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1

herbijudlestoids: coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g

MisterE: haha

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually... there's a trilema article on the subject

BingoBoingo: I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test

mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema de ce e cacatul maro

gribble: Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; Martie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/03>

mircea_popescu: literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown

bitcoinpete: well whaddya know

herbijudlestoids: oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :)

mircea_popescu: im slow.

bitcoinpete: I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx.

MisterE: what language is that site in?

bitcoinpete: And my mom didn't teach me romanian...

BingoBoingo: I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade.

herbijudlestoids: almost at 300ATC :)

MisterE: Romanian?

mircea_popescu: romanian.

herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 62700/2621404453

gribble: 2.39184761925e-05

herbijudlestoids: ^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price

mircea_popescu: 239 ?

bitcoinpete: I had two romanian architects living with me all summer

herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 31350/2911847381

gribble: 1.07663609723e-05

mircea_popescu: you run an architect boarding house ?

herbijudlestoids: ^^ next diff implied price

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis

bitcoinpete: in the off-season

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price

bitcoinpete: they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm

bitcoinpete: My townhouse had a new stink every night

mircea_popescu: all romanians worth the name can cook.

herbijudlestoids: gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does.

bitcoinpete: The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ?

herbijudlestoids: i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary"

herbijudlestoids: anyone read flaubert?

BingoBoingo: You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers

bitcoinpete: mid-late 20s

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2}

bitcoinpete: also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model

herbijudlestoids: how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model

BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin.

herbijudlestoids: haha i was talking about flaubert!

herbijudlestoids: dude how drunk are you

herbijudlestoids: youre approaching vex on sat night levels

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3}

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over?

bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes

herbijudlestoids: no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated

herbijudlestoids: although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle

herbijudlestoids: its F2F, not anonymous?

BingoBoingo: turtle is decent for a private net.

BingoBoingo: But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA

BingoBoingo: meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer

BingoBoingo: The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls

herbijudlestoids: can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN

BingoBoingo: Private net is a net where you know all participants.

herbijudlestoids: yep thx

herbijudlestoids: i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net

BingoBoingo: Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that

mrkent: Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is?

BingoBoingo: mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends?

mrkent: BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nah.

herbijudlestoids: mrkent: talkin bout this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=0

BingoBoingo: mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty

BingoBoingo: Nd5

BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move again

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes

moiety: d2-c4

mrkent: herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares

BingoBoingo: Bg7xa1

herbijudlestoids: mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality

mrkent: np thanks

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start

BingoBoingo: I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight

BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/91SYf9M

moiety: thanks for making me homeless, prick

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting

herbijudlestoids: i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets

BingoBoingo: moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: stick it to the man!

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan

moiety: :P

moiety: you know im kidding

BingoBoingo: moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips?

moiety: oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive

BingoBoingo: moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze.

moiety: sounds good to me....

moiety: i can say it is much easier now i can see the board

BingoBoingo: moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless.

moiety: go have another drink

BingoBoingo: moiety: Force me to do something other than end you.

BingoBoingo: shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth

ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

moiety: h3-g5

BingoBoingo: Bc3+

moiety: omg did you see that http://imgur.com/gallery/1r9nx lol

BingoBoingo: moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants.

moiety: im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all.

BingoBoingo: moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board.

moiety: ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though.

moiety: and what did you just do

BingoBoingo: moiety: Bc3+

moiety: :s ness

moiety: nvm

herbijudlestoids: y...youre using unity on fbsd?

herbijudlestoids: okkk

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD.

moiety: jeeves** not google

BingoBoingo: Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell

BingoBoingo: I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2

herbijudlestoids: yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it

herbijudlestoids: iv been using xfce since

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense.

herbijudlestoids: how do you know i dont have one?

BingoBoingo: By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance.

moiety: http://i.imgur.com/pc7dZkP.png

BingoBoingo: I have had so much and squandered so much.

herbijudlestoids: good save

BingoBoingo: Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning

BingoBoingo: Actual meaning refering to "is does something"

BingoBoingo: I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways

BingoBoingo: It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file

BingoBoingo: Like gnome shell does

moiety: g5-h3

moiety: sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing

BingoBoingo: moiety: can't do that, you are in check

BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3

moiety: hang on have i moved you to the wrong place

moiety: g2-h3

moiety: c3

moiety: g2-c3

moiety: i meant c3 before as well

BingoBoingo: ? is that a move?

moiety: why not

BingoBoingo: How does your pawn on g2 get to c3?

moiety: g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y

moiety: g2-h3

BingoBoingo: moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert.

moiety: i thought bishops can only move diagonally

mircea_popescu: try bouvard & pecuchet sometime

BingoBoingo: You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king

mircea_popescu: it's like... the history of forum finance.

BingoBoingo: moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal

herbijudlestoids: hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary?

moiety: i see what i did

Duffer1: russians; pretty good at skating, who knew

MisterE: might print up a couple of these if u travel. https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom

MisterE: doh!

moiety: bingo i think he is fucked

BingoBoingo: moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to http://imgur.com/4P4KaSc

moiety: e1 - f2 and is it not my queen?

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids plenty.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example?

herbijudlestoids: why must it be played over irc

mircea_popescu: there's a trilema post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: good answer

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway

mircea_popescu: wtf retarded game of chess is that ?!

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version

mircea_popescu: but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh

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BingoBoingo: Yeah

mircea_popescu: hon you're not very good at this :D

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2009/flaubert-suntem-noi/

mircea_popescu: curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la trilema & its peanut gallery

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12}

moiety: lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu!

herbijudlestoids: o ffs

herbijudlestoids: google translate caught by the subscription page

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: I remember paying half a BTC for trilema credits and losing the cookie, because webchat

BingoBoingo: Trilema is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie

moiety: yep e1-f2

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying trilema to your payment?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It actually is because trilema is built the right way.

BingoBoingo: Nc6

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on

BingoBoingo: Nb-c6

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually

moiety: g1-h7

MisterE: what is this truffles I keep hearing about?

mircea_popescu: MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-]

MisterE: thats perfectly OK

mircea_popescu: no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection.

MisterE: oh no

MisterE: Yeast is a no go

BingoBoingo: moiety: You have nothing on g1

moiety: i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7

BingoBoingo: Bd4+

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QTQVnWbt

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like

mircea_popescu: yeah but i loaded up gt

herbijudlestoids: ah right lol

herbijudlestoids: so far ineligible

moiety: f2-e1 retreaaat

BingoBoingo: right translations of trilema are... challenging though

herbijudlestoids: "Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears"

BingoBoingo: KxNe7

BingoBoingo: *KxNh7

BingoBoingo: I need to drink moar

bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen

mircea_popescu: uninteligible however...

bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: yes

moiety: i cant do that BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/fsai0zd.png

moiety: your king is d8 right

mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable.

herbijudlestoids: retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible.

herbijudlestoids: <-retard

BingoBoingo: moiety: My king was on G8 because castling

BingoBoingo: That 0-0

mircea_popescu: but you're legging it just fine :D

mircea_popescu: لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible

herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29

moiety: then how are we on the same moves?

herbijudlestoids: Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime !

BingoBoingo: moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been

BingoBoingo: moiety: As would the previous pic

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube.

mircea_popescu: it's a metaphore.

moiety: pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: i just excused myself and left.

BingoBoingo: 0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos.

moiety: both pics do have something on d8

mircea_popescu: tho i did use to wear a fro

BingoBoingo: moiety: Remember that 0-0 though

moiety: yeah i guessed tha

BingoBoingo: moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: eris

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of

herbijudlestoids: wut!

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : Eρις

mircea_popescu: whose name reads just like epic

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos...

herbijudlestoids: chaos itself was a greek god

BingoBoingo: I was thinking of Heraclitus.

mircea_popescu: goddes

herbijudlestoids: wutttt

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god

mircea_popescu: eris was a bitch

BingoBoingo: it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter.

ozbot: Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BingoBoingo: When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-]

herbijudlestoids: "For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]"

herbijudlestoids: but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris ...to that question...

BingoBoingo: Yes, from chaos, from her slit.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3}

BingoBoingo: If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week.

mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ukraine_is_not_a_Brothel-Maidan-3.jpg

herbijudlestoids: fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia discordia...im not actually cultured :P

moiety: i cant find gpg on freenode

herbijudlestoids: moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg...

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt

bitcoinpete: goddesses make me think of Citroens

moiety: in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon

herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :)

herbijudlestoids: what are you trying to do?

moiety: all i want to do is chage my email address

moiety: change

moiety: i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one

moiety: brings up*

herbijudlestoids: moiety: here you go https://coderwall.com/p/tx_1-g

herbijudlestoids: you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few

herbijudlestoids: (with revuid)

moiety: right kk

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed.

herbijudlestoids: yer

moiety: just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways

BingoBoingo: This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength

herbijudlestoids: moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: you heard democritus talking ?

herbijudlestoids: poorly constructed sentence

BingoBoingo: Must be one of those mythical baby boomers

herbijudlestoids: as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D

herbijudlestoids: luvz2betrolz

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You up for a game?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners

herbijudlestoids: still around in a few hours?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who knows?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2}

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing

herbijudlestoids: ok..well ill ping you later then :)

bitcoinpete: Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice.

bitcoinpete: soir*

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-]

Nick_Fly|2: is anyone here?

mircea_popescu: yes.

assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159193#i0,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II

nick_fly: Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tomó it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can.

mircea_popescu: revolution ?!

assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

nick_fly: google "maidan ukrain"

cazalla: ukranian eh

cazalla: you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia

nick_fly: You are my last hope=(

mircea_popescu: check it out, naked chicks.

mircea_popescu: hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name

nick_fly: Pussy Riot?

moiety: wth is going on in that pic

nick_fly: I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!!

mircea_popescu: yeah, that's right, pussy riot.

mircea_popescu: moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ?

moiety: mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them

cazalla: dhl

cazalla: el package express

nick_fly: i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border

mircea_popescu: seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing

nick_fly: will anyone help me?

mircea_popescu: nick_fly you know 178.172.211.44 is actually in belarus, right ?

nick_fly: it's proxy

nick_fly: local provider blocks me

mircea_popescu: cause of the revolution ?

nick_fly: ccertainly

moiety: bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4

nick_fly: when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"?

BingoBoingo: 1. d4 d5

nick_fly: mircea_popescu: help pls

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: why did you go there anyway

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

moiety: herbi herbi herbi

moiety: nc3

nick_fly: mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important?

BingoBoingo: c6

mircea_popescu: not really to me, no. mostly to you.

nick_fly: mircea_popescu: yeah

nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can

mircea_popescu: so who were you signing water supply contracts for /

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek

moiety: na4 BingoBoingo

nick_fly: my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water

BingoBoingo: Nf6 moiety

mircea_popescu: well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]

nick_fly: have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi?

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you.

nick_fly: he don't care

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2}

moiety: BingoBoingo: c4

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC

nick_fly: he don't even know what is BTC

BingoBoingo: Qa5+ moiety

moiety: my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning

BingoBoingo: moiety: Queen to a5, check

nick_fly: guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!!

moiety: nvm

nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom isn't free.

nick_fly: it's not funny

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose

nick_fly: Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY!

moiety: bishop - d2

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5}

BingoBoingo: Qd8

nick_fly: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4}

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Open your sphincter first

nick_fly: implore you

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper

mircea_popescu: nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water.

mircea_popescu: never had it myself. is it any good ?

moiety: ev BingoBoingo

moiety: e4*

BingoBoingo: Nxe4

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}

nick_fly: heeey

nick_fly: I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159192#i0,p0,s10,d0

mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far.

nick_fly: BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp

nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'vó read about you. i know you can help.

nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can

nick_fly: or as you want

mircea_popescu: lmao

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4}

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity

MisterE: I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for

nick_fly: the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness

nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx

mircea_popescu: least likely thing for a miner to hedge with

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first

nick_fly: how?!?!?!

moiety: BingoBoingo: Ba5

BingoBoingo: moiety: Qxa5+

nick_fly: BingoBoingo: i'll do everything i can. please, ã have to help me

BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC

moiety: BingoBoingo: Ke2

BingoBoingo: Bg4+

moiety: can i keep two emails on one key?

BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details

moiety: i know being destroyed is priority

moiety: ke3

BingoBoingo: Bxd1

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]

moiety: you bastard

moiety: she didnt do anything to you

moiety: rxd1

BingoBoingo: Nf6

moiety: Nc5

BingoBoingo: Ng4+

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+]

moiety: kf3

mircea_popescu: those 7-8 minutes lasted a while.

MisterE: why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic?

BingoBoingo: Ne5+

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

moiety: ke2 :(

BingoBoingo: Nxc4

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2}

KRS-One: btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm

BingoBoingo: lol

moiety: Nxb7

BingoBoingo: Qxa2

mircea_popescu: MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets

mircea_popescu: they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures

mircea_popescu: buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3}

moiety: i cant reverse my last one rc1

BingoBoingo: Qxb2+

herbijudlestoids: i haz returned

moiety: kd1

moiety: im still losing!

moiety: wb!

herbijudlestoids: hehe, did you sort out your gpg key?

BingoBoingo: moiety: Qd2++

BingoBoingo: Good game

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3}

herbijudlestoids: sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess

BingoBoingo: K

moiety: ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?!

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black?

BingoBoingo: moiety: I doubt he followed too close

moiety: and i did herbi! thanks :D

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails?

moiety: no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol

herbijudlestoids: heads pls

moiety: asking*

BingoBoingo: ;;coin

gribble: tails

herbijudlestoids: ok i think i understand

herbijudlestoids: pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move.

moiety: was fun with the board that

moiety: :D

herbijudlestoids: e4

BingoBoingo: d6

herbijudlestoids: b3

BingoBoingo: Nf6

herbijudlestoids: Nc3

BingoBoingo: g6

herbijudlestoids: Rb1

BingoBoingo: Bg7

herbijudlestoids: Bc4

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00087425 = 11.2778 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: 0-0

herbijudlestoids: how do i do the 0-0 on the html board

herbijudlestoids: got it

BingoBoingo: Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8

herbijudlestoids: g4

BingoBoingo: Bxg4

herbijudlestoids: f3

BingoBoingo: e5

herbijudlestoids: xg4

herbijudlestoids: err should be fxg4 i guess sorry

BingoBoingo: Nb-d7

herbijudlestoids: g5

BingoBoingo: Nh5

herbijudlestoids: excuse me, bathroom break

BingoBoingo: fine, smoke break

herbijudlestoids: ok back

herbijudlestoids: d3

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.074 = 1.406 BTC [-]

herbijudlestoids: what are you doin, growin the tobacco yourself?

BingoBoingo: Nc5

herbijudlestoids: a4

BingoBoingo: a6

herbijudlestoids: b4

BingoBoingo: Ne6

herbijudlestoids: Ne2

BingoBoingo: Nc oe Ng

BingoBoingo: Nc or Ng

herbijudlestoids: Ng

herbijudlestoids: sorry, my bad

BingoBoingo: Nxg5

herbijudlestoids: Rg1

BingoBoingo: Ne6

herbijudlestoids: Nd5

BingoBoingo: Qh4+

herbijudlestoids: Kf2

herbijudlestoids: err Kf1

BingoBoingo: Rf-e8

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC

herbijudlestoids: hmmm battle mode

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I hate to push, but you seem to be draggin

herbijudlestoids: Ng3

BingoBoingo: Qh3+

herbijudlestoids: Rg2

BingoBoingo: Ng3+

herbijudlestoids: hxg3

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00087441 = 14.6464 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: Qh1+

herbijudlestoids: Rg1

BingoBoingo: Qh3+

herbijudlestoids: Rg2...

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.07395238 = 3.106 BTC [-] {2}

BingoBoingo: b5

herbijudlestoids: axb5

BingoBoingo: axb5

herbijudlestoids: Bb5

herbijudlestoids: err

herbijudlestoids: Bxb5

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2297 @ 0.00012999 = 0.2986 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: Qh1+

herbijudlestoids: Rg1...

BingoBoingo: QxNd5

herbijudlestoids: err wut? i got a pawn at e4?

herbijudlestoids: lol it was my first move...

BingoBoingo: Yeah, died long ago

BingoBoingo: Amazing how tiny things affect the board this much

herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/AOWiQJt

herbijudlestoids: i just grepped for "xe4"

herbijudlestoids: pls paste the line of you taking it?

KRS-One: ;;seen vexual

gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Vexual> its nit even an internet fridge

herbijudlestoids: i thought i had been faithfully replicating each move, if i missed one apologies

herbijudlestoids: but i cant see it in my log

ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You may be right. let me reconcile this position

BingoBoingo: Qh4

herbijudlestoids: are you sure? if you move to Qh4 i take your queen.

BingoBoingo: I might be awfully drunk.

BingoBoingo: I thought e4 was open, I mean

herbijudlestoids: last chance? if you move to Qh5 its much better move against mew

BingoBoingo: Fine, Qh3

herbijudlestoids: LOL

herbijudlestoids: we been through this but ok... Rg2...

BingoBoingo: Nd4

herbijudlestoids: Bc4

BingoBoingo: Qh1+

BingoBoingo: Draw?

herbijudlestoids: lolllll Rg1

herbijudlestoids: wwut!

herbijudlestoids: you bored?

herbijudlestoids: im cracking up grinning here!

BingoBoingo: Qf3+

herbijudlestoids: now were talkin

herbijudlestoids: dunno why you didnt just Qh5 earlier hehe

herbijudlestoids: Ke1

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: pawns have to find the right places

BingoBoingo: QxQ+

herbijudlestoids: Kxd1

BingoBoingo: Nf3

herbijudlestoids: Rf1

BingoBoingo: e4

herbijudlestoids: lel my brother, e4 is not open for you

BingoBoingo: fuck have to audit again

herbijudlestoids: its got one of my pawns in it...i call him firstie...

BingoBoingo: Nd4

herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/qsCSca6

ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

herbijudlestoids: c3

BingoBoingo: N36

herbijudlestoids: assume you meant Ne6...

herbijudlestoids: Bb5

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08176994 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04799999 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: This game can end of one of two ways? You up for a draw?

herbijudlestoids: lel im enjoying myself but if for some reason you cbf to play anymore i am ok with it. what do you mean can only end one of two ways? all chess games can only end one of two ways?

herbijudlestoids: are you peering 80 moves into the future or something?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, they have three ways to end. This one ends with you winning or you accepting a draw.

BingoBoingo: No way in hell I win this one

herbijudlestoids: HAHA

herbijudlestoids: sure bro

herbijudlestoids: :D

BingoBoingo: That e4 pawn just messed me up.

herbijudlestoids: seems like i enjoy playing tho, so hit me up sometime for a rematch :)

BingoBoingo: Can't believe THAT was the pawn I forgot about.

herbijudlestoids: literally grinning for the entire match

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Anytime

herbijudlestoids: chesscoin

herbijudlestoids: bitchess

herbijudlestoids: hmmm...nope

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how are you playing these matches? ...i mean are you recording the moves on a board or is this all in your mind or something lol

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I set up a board on the floor. Usually I am good, but your e4 fucked me up.

BingoBoingo: You had the win early though

herbijudlestoids: i just assumed youre a savant playing in your mind

BingoBoingo: Nah, I am a drunk who actually set up a board on my floor

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: usually playing chess off a screen really fucks me up and i suck at it, but i think i like that HTML5 one

BingoBoingo: (in parts of the world having enough floor to do that is extravagant)

herbijudlestoids: also has tempted me to learn HTML5

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087062 = 21.069 BTC [-]

punkman: extravagant would be having one of those huge outdoors boards and real people for the pieces

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I really dunno anything better though than a 0.02 BTC physical board

herbijudlestoids: punkman: they got those in hyde park in sydney and thats literally the last time i played chess before today

BingoBoingo: punkman: That would have been, but like 1BTC is a fortune nao

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: is hyde park the OZ version of niggers.txt?

herbijudlestoids: yeah i used to have a nice frosted glass board around but it didnt survive several house moves

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: did you know if you google niggers.txt, you shit-talking in log.bitcoin-assets.com is the 3rd result?

punkman: I got a soapstone board, half the pieces have been decapitated

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: of course

herbijudlestoids: earlier tonight i thought of something funny to do with niggers.txt, before i went out, but i forgot it while i was walking :(

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: the thing is nigger.txt is a term of art defined in this channe;

herbijudlestoids: explain for retards?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: There is this thing called watermelon.

BingoBoingo: Everyone of all colors loves it. It is delicious.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: for me, with you, when i say lol, its literal.

BingoBoingo: Noiggers.txt though is a term of art.

herbijudlestoids: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mtgox_ceo_mark_karpeles.jpg

BingoBoingo: Imagine Mark Karpales

BingoBoingo: He is moar nigger.tst than Obummer

BingoBoingo: Because those Greek Dago bitches can suck a dick

herbijudlestoids: holy shit, i just pasted that from google without looking at the url...theres actually a buttcoin.org

BingoBoingo: Oh shit, you herbijudlestoids do you know what the original dutch root nikker means?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00086996 = 7.1772 BTC [-] {2}

herbijudlestoids: not specifically

herbijudlestoids: i thought the root was spanish/portugese

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It means ignorant, but because it sounds similar to the latin Negro 'Murica

herbijudlestoids: The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French n?gre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, n?gre, and nigger ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced ['ni?er] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is tr

herbijudlestoids: the root is latin, niger == black.

herbijudlestoids: stems to nigrum (male), nigra (female) and from there to italian/french/spanish/portugese

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Latin and german are different root sources

herbijudlestoids: In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.[2] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: you could just post a half decent world star hip hop video

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: try this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VikXdIAQVQo

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: google challange and response. I can't give it an answer

herbijudlestoids: so whats the valid response to the niggers.txt challenge?

herbijudlestoids: < BingoBoingo > niggers.txt

herbijudlestoids: < herbijudlestoids > niggers.txt!

herbijudlestoids: ? :P

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087231 = 6.0189 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe ask kakobrekla, he's somalian, like a pirate

BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/02/12/nicki_minaj_lookin_ass_video_rapper_sets_her_sights_on_the_male_gaze_mows.html

ozbot: Nicki Minaj “Lookin Ass” video: Rapper sets her sights on the male gaze, mows it down with assau

herbijudlestoids: heres a graph of my ATC miner payouts (per block found by the coinminer.net ATC pool) for the last ...~40h http://imgur.com/FxiLehu

herbijudlestoids: yesterday was getting ~4ATC per block, now ~1.4

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The ATC orderbook

BingoBoingo: M mood might improve especially if 1000 satoshis is broken

BingoBoingo: I mean is this nigger history month or not?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm sorry Abbo

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: orderbook looks pretty much the same as this morning? just one extra offer that has narrowed the spread by 5 satoshi

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: but if it stays under 1000 satoshis the Abbos win

herbijudlestoids: well you guys are the ones with all teh bitcoinz not me...you can clear out all the offers under 1000 by purchasing the 54387 on offer below that price :P

herbijudlestoids: (and hope nobody goes to the bids to sell)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nothing is official thought until a n00b makes a n00b decision

BingoBoingo: Nothing is worth anything without a credible niggers.txt and a watermelon

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]

herbijudlestoids: hullo ThickAsThieves

herbijudlestoids: looks like the reddit ATC thread got downvoted beyond -4 :(

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1fbaETqT1reuoazo1_500.jpg

ThickAsThieves: their loss

BingoBoingo: shame, such a think line between altcoin and moon

herbijudlestoids: i own some now ...310 as of the last bloc

BingoBoingo: .bait

herbijudlestoids: mined teh new fashioned way

BingoBoingo: That bait has orders

BingoBoingo: Spank

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: got a wallet? ill send you one? :D

BingoBoingo: .bait

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: imgur.com/r/gonewild :)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm a bigger fan of the dark chocolate

herbijudlestoids: surely some in there

ThickAsThieves: i haz some ATC now

ThickAsThieves: purchased on the black market

ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1xsqzq/how_to_add_altcoin_to_listings/

herbijudlestoids: every fuckin night now a mosquito gets in my room

herbijudlestoids: and i gotta kill it before i go to bed lol

herbijudlestoids: sneaky quick fuckers

ThickAsThieves: bugs dont seem to like my blood much

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08179995 = 0.409 BTC [+]

herbijudlestoids: its the noise they make when theyre flying over your ear

herbijudlestoids: drives me insane

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Wait, you can hear bugs?

herbijudlestoids: never heard the mosquito noise BingoBoingo?

BingoBoingo: how do you not die in Australasia

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm nearly deaf

herbijudlestoids: very high pitched whine

herbijudlestoids: which oscillates as they fly around

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I played the tuba for 8+ years and the only casualty was my hearing

herbijudlestoids: usually theyre audible within about 20cm but it sounds like its right in your ear

herbijudlestoids: which 8+ years tho? cant believe you never heard a mosquito in your life

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't heard one since 4th grade

herbijudlestoids: so but you know the noise :P

BingoBoingo: Roughly, can't swear to it though. It has been a while.

herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_All_Gone_Pete_Tong

ThickAsThieves: "This brings us nicely to possibly the biggest development in the crypto space for some time. The launch of Maxcoin, the cryptocurrency fronted by Max Keiser. "

BingoBoingo: Moar like Maxi coin, has the biggest wings to prevent leakage.

ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu ^ for your blacklist: Investing.com, Jan Skoyles

herbijudlestoids: he not here, died of ping timeout

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086994 = 10.6133 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: I am Afro man, running through the forest from the ku klus klan

ThickAsThieves: looks like these guys actually host pools too http://coinex.pw/

ThickAsThieves: pools and exchange

BingoBoingo: If anyone else wan't a tip from the breaking news department, I know the spoiler to Million Dollar Baby!

herbijudlestoids: here is an idea

herbijudlestoids: (if openex.pw had an API)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I kinda has one

BingoBoingo: *it kinds has one

herbijudlestoids: a bot that makes the market in BTC/USD at the 0.5*(ATCdiff/BTCdiff)+0.5*(ATDnextdiff/BTCnextDiff) implied price

herbijudlestoids: even a small amount of BTC, say 0.01 would be able to offer a reasonable bid at say 0.005% off the implied price

herbijudlestoids: just gotta be willing to fund it with some more BTC if someone takes out the bids

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Altcoiners are hoarders

BingoBoingo: You need serious WOT to buy ALTCOIN at 500 Satoshis per

ThickAsThieves: ?

BingoBoingo: This isn't last week when 160 Satoshis was generous

ThickAsThieves: http://businesstech.co.za/news/banking/53087/standark-bank-throws-out-bitcoin-idea/

ThickAsThieves: herb i think ATC price isnt the lead, it is the follow

herbijudlestoids: so you reckon the risk isnt in someone selling their ATC into the bid but rather hoarders buying up whatever ATC are on the ask?

BingoBoingo: Last week 160 Satoshis per was nearly charity.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Generally they don't buy the exchange's ask because this is Altcoin and they have WOT.

BingoBoingo: They buy at minimal over bids

herbijudlestoids: ok lets assume i have serious WOT, and the bot makes the market on -otc

herbijudlestoids: still same issue?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: So who did you piss off to be so lonely?

herbijudlestoids: lol

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you have serious WOT the bot is at least going to jack you off.

BingoBoingo: (this is why kakobrekla doesn't have couches any moar)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086989 = 3.3056 BTC [-] {2}

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i guess thats the case for ATCUSD but im talking ATCBTC here

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1222 = 0.4888 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087435 = 2.7979 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: any knowledge about this 42coin? i just noticed it on openex.pw, trading at 145 to the BTC?!

herbijudlestoids: oh right...only 42 coins ever mined

ThickAsThieves: hehe

ThickAsThieves: it's like a gem of gems

herbijudlestoids: pretty interesting i guess that people actually valued it like that

herbijudlestoids: most of the transactions are for small fractions obviously

herbijudlestoids: but still...why exactly, aside from scarcity is 42coin worth 145 bitcoins?

ThickAsThieves: it's not

herbijudlestoids: well its valued as such by some people who own some BTC

herbijudlestoids: some of a BTC :P

ThickAsThieves: right

herbijudlestoids: so its just a transaction network i guess

herbijudlestoids: coins are already mined, people harvesting transaction fees

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

davout: what's the reference BTCUSD rate used for options ?

davout: bitcoincharts 24h weighted average iirc

herbijudlestoids: davout: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,24hprc

gribble: 579.79

ThickAsThieves: still factoring gox

ThickAsThieves: “No customers participated in the pilot,” the bank added.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

herbijudlestoids: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/fusion-power-not-yet/?cid=co18503444

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00087111 = 21.1802 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087111 = 4.8782 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0818 = 2.045 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5425 = 2.17 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5365 = 1.073 BTC [-] {2}

herbijudlestoids: bed

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00087174 = 17.2605 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0054524 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00545002 = 0.2889 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.00087002 = 26.4408 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00544903 = 1.1116 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14195 @ 0.00086967 = 12.345 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17855 @ 0.00086963 = 15.5272 BTC [-]

jurov: should the niggers.txt meme get officially recognized on ud

jurov: it originated on 05 December 2013 here by me

jurov: (just for record) :D

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34478 @ 0.00087195 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

davout: jurov: you need some meme-DRM

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2406 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04720001 = 0.5664 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12210001 = 0.8547 BTC [-] {2}

asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm

mike_c: oh my. "The current version simply sends the appropriate packets to vulnerable cards and updates them"

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0716 = 0.1432 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0055 = 0.1155 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2693 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2129 @ 0.00013451 = 0.2864 BTC [+]

deadweasel: asciilifeform: that's a good read, ty.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00013452 = 0.9416 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 646.0, Best ask: 649.34, Bid-ask spread: 3.34000, Last trade: 646.0, 24 hour volume: 14026.82715181, 24 hour low: 640.05, 24 hour high: 672.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.799495596

ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --gox

gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --market mtgox

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.805, Best ask: 490.027, Bid-ask spread: 4.22200, Last trade: 491.11, 24 hour volume: 24971.55702147, 24 hour low: 479.923, 24 hour high: 574.99999, 24 hour vwap: 512.87363

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10563 @ 0.00087435 = 9.2358 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087435 = 12.8529 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.59424026 BTC to 1`662 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123 = 0.492 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00087302 = 4.6026 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20347 @ 0.00087294 = 17.7617 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087436 = 3.8035 BTC [+] {2}

davout: reddit can be funny somertimes http://i.imgur.com/1n2KSUm.jpg

davout: haha

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12399999 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00087441 = 13.0724 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.0049143 = 0.2408 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02637895 = 0.5276 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 82 @ 0.0033945 = 0.2783 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00087181 = 5.6232 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1311 @ 0.00013725 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00087081 = 18.9645 BTC [-]

benkay: BingoBoingo: how much Satoshi have you collated?

HeySteve: hmm where is mirceau popescu tonight?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00087031 = 39.338 BTC [-] {4}

ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/Yplvqe1.jpg

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00083553 = 0.1671 BTC [+] {2}

dub: lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: DECLARATION CERTIFIEE SINCERE

mircea_popescu: Votre Honneur,

mircea_popescu: Je suis

mircea_popescu: Mademoiselle Valérie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne âgée de 21 ans. Je suis une

mircea_popescu: ancienne lauréate du concours de beauté « Miss Cote D'Ivoire ».

mircea_popescu: Je

mircea_popescu: suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour

mircea_popescu: me guider.

mircea_popescu: somehow it sounds even dirtier in french

asciilifeform: gift from the spam gods?

mircea_popescu: yea

HeySteve2: ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0"

mircea_popescu: sounds legit.

HeySteve2: it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong

HeySteve2: pre-mine will be a modest 3%

mod6: sad panda

mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ?

HeySteve2: indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ?

HeySteve2: well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong.

HeySteve2: exciting stuff

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm

mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it.

mircea_popescu: guy's not even in the wot.

HeySteve2: shocker

asciilifeform: tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM.

HeySteve2: well the link is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=460037.0

asciilifeform: fun for the whole family

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy!

mircea_popescu: Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell"

mircea_popescu: this security, that can be breached in 500 hours.

mircea_popescu: feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse.

mircea_popescu: Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries.

mircea_popescu: this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs.

mircea_popescu: much cheaper and definitely practical.

asciilifeform: those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc.

asciilifeform: (wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?)

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: which ironically will be a major chance for the third world.

mircea_popescu: it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck.

mircea_popescu: so they suck colonist cock and try their best.

mircea_popescu: however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals

mircea_popescu: well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use.

mircea_popescu: however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness

mircea_popescu: which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace

mircea_popescu: all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales

mircea_popescu: like it did last q.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81495 @ 0.0008739 = 71.2185 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5042 @ 0.0008698 = 4.3855 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63758 @ 0.00086877 = 55.391 BTC [-] {3}

ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at Porn.com

ThickAsThieves: Porn.com sells bitcoins?

benkay: another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off.

benkay: *raaaage*

ThickAsThieves: anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days?

davout: benkay: i've never experienced that

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn.

mircea_popescu: benkay it does.

mircea_popescu: oops i mean davout it does.

mircea_popescu: chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck.

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6p4bHQjY1qh9l2to1_500.jpg

davout: mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off

pankkake: ThickAsThieves: http://sixrevisions.com/css/font-face-guide/ https://www.google.com/fonts

davout: not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power

mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet.

mircea_popescu: then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet.

asciilifeform: if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news.

davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream

mircea_popescu: uh

mircea_popescu: you can't even type.

asciilifeform: some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.'

mircea_popescu: so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it /

asciilifeform: (with keyboards plugged in)

davout: an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00086857 = 23.7554 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: a like that. kay.

mircea_popescu: how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ?

mircea_popescu: (no sarcasmo)

davout: 100 eur last i checked

asciilifeform: takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd

davout: or 80

mircea_popescu: that should work then

davout: yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now *that's* hip

mircea_popescu: seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo.

mircea_popescu: fuck me.

mircea_popescu: ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone

mircea_popescu: you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat

mircea_popescu: and typing on your bluetooth kbd

davout: heh

mircea_popescu: anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as.

asciilifeform: the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ?

davout: asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close

mircea_popescu: i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/

asciilifeform: not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now.

mircea_popescu: apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc.

asciilifeform: depends on the cell chemistry

asciilifeform: Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall

asciilifeform: hates cycling; full discharge, even more.

mircea_popescu: didn't it have a memory effect ?

mircea_popescu: an you're supposed to fully draw it ?

asciilifeform: that's NiCD

mircea_popescu: so i guess this answers the q :D

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00299998 = 0.159 BTC [+] {2}

asciilifeform: Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so.

mircea_popescu: "2 years should be enough for anybody"

ThickAsThieves: thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully

mircea_popescu: srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues.

asciilifeform: got a 16 yr. old lappy here.

CheckDavid: <mircea_popescu> apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what?

CheckDavid: the best thing?

mircea_popescu: yes.

asciilifeform: http://rche.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~hayashi/syumi/lib110s.jpg

asciilifeform: (not mine, but same)

CheckDavid: mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries

mircea_popescu: CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out.

CheckDavid: oh

benkay: new laptops every year

benkay: classic hedonic treadmill

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks oddly soviet.

asciilifeform: it's brick-solid.

benkay: "oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY"

asciilifeform: one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds.

mircea_popescu: benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop.

asciilifeform: afaik, among the last laptops made in japan

benkay: mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers

benkay: "engineers"

mircea_popescu: well fuck them then.

davout: mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way

mircea_popescu: well fuck you then.

kakobrekla: evenin

benkay: i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways.

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mircea_popescu: benkay it's what i'm sayin' :)

asciilifeform: also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ?

kakobrekla: heh yeah, thats old by now.

mircea_popescu: for shame.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003 = 0.9 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12

benkay: mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office

benkay: some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine.

mircea_popescu: and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops.

benkay: yeah

asciilifeform: laptops are not used 'from a good life.'

benkay: although babes want to consume television in various places around the house

kakobrekla: since when is this page up?

kakobrekla: http://alphatesters.secretbitcoinproject.com/

ozbot: Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see.

benkay: i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner.

kakobrekla: ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET

Apocalyptic: heh

benkay: FUKKEN YEAH

benkay: IT HAS ROCKETS AND LASERS AND SHIT

kakobrekla: FUKKEN LAZERZ

davout: oh this...

kakobrekla: ;;lasers

gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao

kakobrekla: is true

kakobrekla: sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top

mircea_popescu: well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ?

kakobrekla: "i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes."

davout: kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs

mircea_popescu: funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem

mircea_popescu: it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation.

mircea_popescu: now they have the same principle applied to hiring.

mircea_popescu: basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions.

mircea_popescu: we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness.

mircea_popescu: forget fire and waterfall.

benkay: fire and waterfall?

mircea_popescu: yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world.

benkay: waterfall as in 'software mgmt'?

benkay: wtf are you on about

mircea_popescu: no dude, as in water falling

kakobrekla: lolz

davout: lel

kakobrekla: hahaha

mircea_popescu: this was pretty good

assbot: Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1614967/plain/)

kakobrekla: !b 25

benkay: the depths of my ignorance...

mircea_popescu: you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms

mircea_popescu: waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power

benkay: yeah i got there eventually

kakobrekla: waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal

mircea_popescu: both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla heretic

kakobrekla: :>

kakobrekla: bbl

benkay: is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with.

mircea_popescu: it didn't use to be.

benkay: long long time ago

benkay: "i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done"

benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U#t=8

ozbot: Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube

mircea_popescu: i liked the madonna version.

mircea_popescu: am i evil ?

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benkay: oh god

benkay: so america

benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVieEO6GuU

ozbot: Madonna - American Pie - YouTube

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: http://coinbits.com/2013/02/04/stage-n-bitcoin-exists-pe-trilema-un-blog-de-mircea-popescu/

ozbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | Bitcoin News Bits - CoinBits.co

mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?"

mike_c: that link redirected me to some scam site..

asciilifeform: they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too

mike_c: who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-]

mike_c: he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon.

mike_c: https://just-dice.com/roll/628591801

Apocalyptic: hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ?

mike_c: yeah.

mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe testing the randomness ?

mircea_popescu: or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo.

asciilifeform: haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ?

mircea_popescu: mike_c might.

mircea_popescu: hey mike, you know diehard/er ?

asciilifeform: to the victor go the spoils.

mike_c: if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :)

mircea_popescu: lolwut ?

mike_c: you'll know it's not so random.

Apocalyptic: heh

Apocalyptic: and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool

mircea_popescu: why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?!

mircea_popescu: o hahaha

Apocalyptic: cuz he be stealin yo

mircea_popescu: i have my slow moments

asciilifeform: well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.'

mircea_popescu: i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads

Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck

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asciilifeform: see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.'

asciilifeform: always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng.

mircea_popescu: fun twist : http://trilema.com/2011/earth-hour-s-o-facem-lata/ back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so!

asciilifeform: that is, you're stuck with prng.

mircea_popescu: then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin

mircea_popescu: and i never had to do this since.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how you reason ?

asciilifeform: well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically.

mircea_popescu: yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers

asciilifeform: when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so

mircea_popescu: they're an actual rng

asciilifeform: any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable

mircea_popescu: no question

mircea_popescu: but questionable or not it is still a rng

asciilifeform: sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel.

mircea_popescu: yes but see

mircea_popescu: once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it

mircea_popescu: like the coin flip etc

asciilifeform: this only works against 'natural' bias.

mircea_popescu: but planet full of bozos...well...

mircea_popescu: a good approximation of nature, at the very least

pankkake: mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2011/03/26/lheure-de-la-terre/

mircea_popescu: pankkake together with our powers combined we are

mircea_popescu: SERGEANT BITCOIN!

pankkake: capitaine planète !

mircea_popescu: fucking hell same day too.

mircea_popescu: Pour manifester mon soutien à cette initiative trop peu médiatisée, jai éteint à 20h30 les deux ampoules à LED qui méclairaient.

mircea_popescu: Puis jai mis en route un sèche-linge, deux plaques électriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique grâce à un ampli à tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir jai allumé les 8 ampoules halogènes qui étaient à ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout ça, jai ouvert la porte de mon réfrigérateur.

mircea_popescu: win.

asciilifeform: (actual scene from that dreadful show)

pankkake: anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p

mircea_popescu: pankkake yep.

mircea_popescu: the best part to my taste is this :?

pankkake: so we saved the word

pankkake: world

mircea_popescu: the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working.

mircea_popescu: ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X

mircea_popescu: however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves.

mircea_popescu: so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen.

mircea_popescu: this is the whole of the progress involved.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes

benkay: think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill

mircea_popescu: the philips shits

asciilifeform: holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly'

asciilifeform: of envirowhinerism.

mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/images/mercurylampsfigure1.jpg

mircea_popescu: actually... you know.

asciilifeform: FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing.

asciilifeform: you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths.

mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/mercuryarc.html a good article overall

ozbot: ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus | Mercury Arc Lamps

asciilifeform: hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : http://www.edisontechcenter.org/lighting/mercVapor/MercGlowDiagram.jpg

pankkake: overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer

benkay: i'm a huge fan of the pot lights

benkay: we installed one in a shop of mine once

davout: pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum

benkay: we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside

benkay: shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum

pankkake: ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day

benkay: made me so dang happy!

benkay: had so much energy, it was amazing.

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

pankkake: like http://jonls.dk/redshift/

asciilifeform: pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine?

asciilifeform: or so i recall

benkay: pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight.

benkay: that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into...

ThickAsThieves: "Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?"

mircea_popescu: maybe we could all get submarines

mircea_popescu: with hashing

ThickAsThieves: Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011."

davout: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/ <<<< so much win

ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC | Deep Dot Web

mircea_popescu: yeah it was up like two weeks

Duffer1: who could have seen that coming

Duffer1: :/

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ?

asciilifeform: seacoin.

mircea_popescu: funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough.

mircea_popescu: then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught.

mircea_popescu: so much sadness everywhere.

ThickAsThieves: "First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities."

asciilifeform: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/05/bank-zachodni-wbk-cashing-out-bitcoin-through-prepaid-visa-cards/

ozbot: Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards | Deep Dot Web

kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg5113566#msg5113566

asciilifeform: at some point these folks will grow brains

asciilifeform: and do it right.

Duffer1: "Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty."

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz.

mircea_popescu: trace that "vendor", it's them.

mircea_popescu: perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse.

Duffer1: yea that's my thoughts

mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article.

jborkl: if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2}

benkay: pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8}

mircea_popescu: !t h rent

assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing.

mircea_popescu: basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days.

mircea_popescu: so it is

mircea_popescu: back then it was safe.

asciilifeform: solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.'

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4}

bloctoc: I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy.

asciilifeform: nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1764 since im digging up the logs

ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5}

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever happened?

mircea_popescu: what ?

asciilifeform: 'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'...

asciilifeform: or wrong link?

mircea_popescu: well not afaik

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms.

mircea_popescu: ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave)

asciilifeform: true.

mircea_popescu: and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12}

asciilifeform: question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field.

asciilifeform: ('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale')

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: so... why not ?

mircea_popescu: because it's hard.

asciilifeform: right.

mircea_popescu: could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog.

mircea_popescu: it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7}

asciilifeform: re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general.

ThickAsThieves: "We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project."

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2}

Duffer1: does it ever stop?

Duffer1: nevermind

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05500014 = 0.275 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: DMA is also not really confined to PC arch; there's the fact that all recent (20 yrs. or so) DRAM works best in 'burst mode'

asciilifeform: that is, addr is clocked in, and auto-incremented for N cycles

asciilifeform: since a 'von-neumann style' cpu cannot guarantee 'paying attention' for a sufficiently-large N of cycles, we get dma.

asciilifeform: to understand 'burst', see any sdram datasheet, e.g. http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/512MbSDRAM.pdf

asciilifeform: i mention this in the hope of making it clear how pervasive the architectural problem mentioned in MP's piece is.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0818 = 0.409 BTC [+]

benkay: much informative!

benkay: big problem.

asciilifeform: that is, not the fact of dma being satanic in and of itself (it isn't), but just how thoroughly hardware designers are enslaved by architectural oddness beyond their control.

asciilifeform: e.g. support PCI or die, support consumer SDRAM sticks or die, etc.

ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu lawsky wants you to write more blogs to tell him how to make the bitlicense regulations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIZd9b2-Qs#t=697

mircea_popescu: can i has summary ?

asciilifeform: virtually no one gets to 'design a computer' now. (not apple, either.) they get to glue the same old crap together in mildly-different ways.

ThickAsThieves: it's long...

ThickAsThieves: about 11min he starts saying that

ThickAsThieves: and then gives some examples of things he's considering

asciilifeform: if fpga with published internal specs existed (as it did in 1994, say) but of modern proportions, this could change.

Duffer1: "think of it as open-source code regulation"

asciilifeform: (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013#432845 and below)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698 = 0.349 BTC [+]

ozbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?

kakobrekla: zomg wtf is this some new levels of sarcasm i dont get?=!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00086941 = 16.3197 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/

ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

mircea_popescu: rassah is back ?!

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 580 @ 0.0001734 = 0.1006 BTC [+] {9}

kakobrekla: what is this article about, anyway.

kakobrekla: take a look

kakobrekla: http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-05-31/0531_gigaOM_630x354.jpg

kakobrekla: scissors and tape

kakobrekla: mtgox - making collages since bitcoin

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1426 @ 0.00017948 = 0.2559 BTC [+] {7}

decimation: ascii - in your article the interviewer proposes fixing the diddled NIC with a TPM chip - lel

kakobrekla: is this rassah some idiot i forgot about?

decimation: need a TPM in my mouse

decimation: And a TPM in my TPM

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well old timer, was really excited when btc broke 30, posted a story on forum about how he bought btc w/o his partner's knowledge out of their savbings, then sold out and bought a car

mircea_popescu: for great profit

mircea_popescu: but then as btc exploded i kind-of lost track

mircea_popescu: karpeles looks like he's writing php

kakobrekla: bought a fucking car. why does this ring a bell.

mircea_popescu: because people. and cars.

mircea_popescu: hey k: Advance Domain Availability Notice:You may be interested in joshzerlan.com, which will be available by auction soon.

kakobrekla: i got taht shit too.

kakobrekla: well done!

mircea_popescu: they're srsly handspamming us ?

kakobrekla: i have no other explanation

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-conference-nobody-went-to/ << 2012 stuff. "10% return on my S.MPOE trade today yesss 4.5 BTC" ; "It was a once in a lifetime opportunity I bought all that was available below 36000"

ozbot: The Bitcoin Conference Nobody Went To pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

mod6: mp: nice write up on gox

mircea_popescu: mod6 im sure it'll be all the rage on reddit.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00086705 = 18.5228 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053534 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2585 @ 0.00017998 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {4}

mod6: lol one guy in r/mtgox was just trying to buy someones account

mod6: http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1xu56k/does_anyone_want_to_sell_me_there_mt_gox_account/

ozbot: Does anyone want to sell me there MT Gox account ? : MtGox

mod6: kids these days..

Bugpowder: Thinknig of making some more money on S.MPOE... just need to get the new key working with pyMPEX

mircea_popescu: mod6 link him to the earlier discussion here ?

mod6: Bug: should just be able to add the new key to your keyring and then grab the latest version

mod6: if it's got this line: self._mpex_fingerprint = 'A57D509A' [ you should be ok ]

mod6: mircea_popescu: ahh, I would, don't have reddit acct.

mod6: maybe I can just make an anon comment? /me tries

mircea_popescu: mod6 that's their curse, nobody with a clue has accounts

mircea_popescu: eh let it be, makes no diff.

mod6: ahh, ok.

mike_c: Bugpowder: have you seen herbi's charts? I think he decided if you see between 7 and 9 downward ticks you buy immediately for fast profits!

mod6: lol "Moderators: MagicalTux" :: He'd prolly just delete the post.

Bugpowder: I'll give it a try again. I have a bit of an issue because I use a sub key for my own key and need to specify it directly in the pyMPEX script.

mod6: ahh

mircea_popescu: mod6 i doubt he has the time for anything these days.

mod6: too busy programming strange things in php

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder how did that hk thing work in the end ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053138 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {6}

Bugpowder: China spread collapsed before we could set it up

Bugpowder: but it was good to talk to a good lawyer team about bitcoin financial issues

mircea_popescu: spreads will rise again.

BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xufu4/mtgox_and_ancient_bitcoin_history/

ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history : Bitcoin

mircea_popescu: lol stealth

mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing one can say about 2014 btc/fiat is "spreads"

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 723 @ 0.00018181 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {3}

herbijudlestoids: hullo ladies/gents

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 912 @ 0.00018219 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {3}

mircea_popescu: Add to the very narrow margins and very active competition the burden of regulatory infringement. Money changers are spending as it is now literally immense sums (in Bitcoin terms) to try and mostly comply with obscure and convoluted regulation, which they cant avoid or ignore because theyre always stuck with one foot in fiat. In exchange for this draining expenditure they are receiving nothing at all, certainly

mircea_popescu: not the protection of their etatist overlords.

mircea_popescu: Theyre not in fact receiving as much as recognition of status or effort, they find themselves in the untenable position of a poor immigrant who is spending all his wages and borrowing at unbearable, immigrant-ghetto rates to buy flowers and wine for some local beauty who barely even registers their desperation or even presence.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/

ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

mircea_popescu: god i wish i was a girl so i could fuck myself.

KRS-One: i would fondle my boobies.

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg

KRS-One: pfft

KRS-One: .bait

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]

ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: what pff, you discriminate against onelegged women ?

herbijudlestoids: last night i put 10ATC onto openex in a cascade limit

imsaguy: hi

herbijudlestoids: just to see what would happen

KRS-One: I demand a certain quality of bait.

herbijudlestoids: all the way down to 1 satoshi over the highest bid

mircea_popescu: imsaguy ello

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so what happened ?

imsaguy: ltns

herbijudlestoids: went to the bathroom and someone had cleared about 5.25 out

herbijudlestoids: by the time igot back

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: at 600 ?!

herbijudlestoids: no

herbijudlestoids: from 201 to 275

herbijudlestoids: i had it in 0.125 and 0.5ATC increments

mircea_popescu: herbi, how would you like to be my atc daytrader on openex ?

herbijudlestoids: lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70909 @ 0.00019548 = 13.8613 BTC [+] {37}

herbijudlestoids: will you send me some BTC to actually limit bid the market?

herbijudlestoids: or do i have to take some ATC hits to generate my own BTC to limit the market

mircea_popescu: no, ima send you some atc.

Bugpowder: Is ATC listed on cryptsy yet?

herbijudlestoids: yea well its kinda fuckin hard to be a successful daytrader in a 0 liquidity market :P

pankkake: what, under 500 satoshi?! I should have sold all my stuff to jurov!

herbijudlestoids: unless i have the fund to make my own market

mircea_popescu: if it's hard when it's easy then it's hard permanently.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1408 @ 0.00019999 = 0.2816 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy.

mircea_popescu: actually, do we like crypsy ?

herbijudlestoids: i dun think we do

KRS-One: i think crypsy sucks ass

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ?

herbijudlestoids: certainly not the xchange iv been hearing ThickAsThieves talking about

herbijudlestoids: hes mentioning other ones iirc

KRS-One: LOL scamspert

pankkake: I use cryptsy… but it's so broken

mircea_popescu: mkay then. we don't like cryptsy.

jurov: pankkake :>

pankkake: auto sell doesn't work anymore

mircea_popescu: pankkake heretic

Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. // we certainly don't

pankkake: so I am forced to use that horrible interface

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you game or what ?

pankkake: I guess I could use btc-e for what I do (sell primecoin)

Bugpowder: I like cryptsy's order matching

mike_c: mircea_popescu: the "vendor expoliting tx malleability until our wallet was empty" was the silk road excuse, not the mtgox excuse i believe

Bugpowder: it's so brillian

pankkake: because it's buggy? :)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40417 @ 0.00021994 = 8.8893 BTC [+] {25}

mircea_popescu: mike_c :)

mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1615275/

ozbot: dpaste: #1615275

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: like i said. the market has no liquidity, which makes the only game in town worth playing, making markets. if i cant make on both sides of the book, then its basically me just selling ATC arbitrarily, or i gotta take some initial losses to generate BTC from ATC sales and use those small amount of BTC to make the bids

mike_c: hehe

mike_c: ok

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23125 @ 0.000257 = 5.9431 BTC [+] {3}

ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? <<<< i dont know any of the people doing any of em, but this morning i inquired with all of them

mircea_popescu: see Jere_Jones people have a lot of trouble stepping outside of the environment they perceive as familiar and thus imagine safe.

herbijudlestoids: we arent talking about an exchange running asset class where there is intraday vol

herbijudlestoids: so its not as if there is some vol to scalp

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you familiar with the concept that he who can't make a sharpened stick can't make an airplane or anything else ?

kakobrekla: he who can make a shapened stick can make a buttcoin

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anywhere he wants :D

mircea_popescu: you know the joke ?

herbijudlestoids: not specifically

mircea_popescu: guy goes to brothel, asks for most expensive dame

mircea_popescu: they bring him a $250 a number chick

mircea_popescu: he's like im not looking to spend less than 10k

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1779 @ 0.000257 = 0.4572 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: so he leaves. goes to next brothel.

mircea_popescu: they being tipped off pretend like the fee is 10k.

mircea_popescu: guy follows gal in the room, she sprawls herself on bed, "Honey what'd you like ? cunt ? assgole ?"

mircea_popescu: the asshole's laying out some shit from his case onto a small table

mircea_popescu: "babe, for 10k i make my own holes"

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025677 = 0.2568 BTC [-] {2}

decimation: http://www.ici.org/pressroom/news/ret_10_q4

mircea_popescu: sooo... anyone with a sharpened stick can make his own buttcoin

mircea_popescu: anywhere he wants.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00298145 = 0.2981 BTC [+] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

ThickAsThieves: mp wants his troops trained before the battle

ThickAsThieves: brazzers/pornhub taking btc now

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves generally, if you live in a town where people have the right to bear arms, it's better to live in the one where people actually know how to use arms.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

mircea_popescu: this i guess is somewhat counterintuitive

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i get the joke, its amusing. but i am not sure why you feel what im saying is an indication of trouble for me stepping outside my comfort zone

herbijudlestoids: i dont mind playing in new markets, but all businesses should be appropriately capitalised

mircea_popescu: the thinking is like this : it's a bare market.

mircea_popescu: any dangers, inconveniences and issues you face, anyone else also faces.

herbijudlestoids: no

mircea_popescu: sure, someone could show up with a 100 btc wallet and beat you into a pulp.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025 = 0.25 BTC [-]

ThickAsThieves: plus if you mm there, i'll have someone to play with!

mircea_popescu: why would they throw 100 btc on atc ?

herbijudlestoids: i face one extra risk that say, you, dont

mircea_popescu: you're immune from it for a very soft yet very strong reason

herbijudlestoids: they are potentially not undercapitalised

mircea_popescu: so this is exactly it : you perceive safety in banality.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086736 = 7.4524 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: it is illusory. and it blinds you to the actual safety in barren lands

decimation: As I grow older I've learned to perceive danger in banality

mircea_popescu: decimation you got at least a decade on him

decimation: heh yeah I'm almost 35

mircea_popescu: maybe not then

decimation: I'm an old man at heart

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this dovetails neatly into an older saying of mine, re the sailor being required to sail the boat in any wind.

herbijudlestoids: got a skype meeting, back soon

decimation: prediction: there will be an operating legal BTC exchange in the US within 2 years

mircea_popescu: that's a sailor. people who can sail a boat in some circumstances are sail management technicians or w.e

mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be the optimistic view as to the us' future.

decimation: like pot, the civil servants who run the states can smell the tax revenue

decimation: I know, but I'm contrary while I'm contrary

mircea_popescu: im not sayin' it's unlikely or anything, perfectly possible.

decimation: new york seems really serious about this bitlicense deal

mircea_popescu: the us turning into a sort of continent sized syria is however also quite possible.

decimation: Of course it would with all kinds of AML KYC rules but that's obvious

mircea_popescu: the only sane way to do that would be making a state agency which handles the aml kyc.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02636138 = 0.2636 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: you get the license, the customer applies with the agency. you get the ok, you are legally immune

davout: mircea_popescu: why is that?

mircea_popescu: because you don't wish to be involved with or responsible of law enforcing.

mircea_popescu: you're a businessman not a policeman. let the policemen do their job.

decimation: If I'm right, then the next leg up on the BTC/USD is going to happen when the trillions of $ in retirement accounts start washing into BTC; via Gresham's law

mircea_popescu: what trillions ?

Apocalyptic: the trillions they see on their balance :)

davout: that how it works though, and it's the sad state of affairs where if you have any sort of financial license you *are* required to monitor activity, and pretty much be the police

mircea_popescu: :)

Apocalyptic: not that it's real money or anything

mircea_popescu: davout so that's what new york may offer to convince me to ok their license bs :

davout: there's no such thing as a "ok you're kosher" kind of stamp

benkay: leave those jurisdictions, then.

mircea_popescu: if they take back enforcing, we can talk.

mircea_popescu: if they don't... there's nothing on the table.

mircea_popescu: i mnean sure, they can continue talking to the scammers and be scammed till they're happy and had enough.

Apocalyptic: davout, reminds me of your model actually

davout: mircea_popescu: what is it you said once about one party of a deal saying "that's the way it's gonna be" again ?

Apocalyptic: when essentially LW is the policemen and in charge of validating clients

davout: Apocalyptic: howso?

Apocalyptic: you stick to the btc stuff

mircea_popescu: davout aha ?

decimation: Total U.S. retirement assets were $17.5 trillion as of December 31, 2010, up 5.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 and up 9.1 percent for the year.

ozbot: ICI - Retirement Assets Total $17.5 Trillion in Fourth Quarter 2010

davout: Apocalyptic: yup, they be the police, i don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole

decimation: Of course, many of these assets are "invested" in stocks, run by bandits who pump & dump the price

mircea_popescu: i see your ici and i raise you a trilema :

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00023899 = 0.239 BTC [-] {10}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0008693 = 29.9039 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: ;;google Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap

gribble: BitBet, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-march-2013-statement/>; Politica si Prostie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/politica-si-prostie/>; Thanks to Government, Banks Treat You Like Crap and Spy on You: <http://freedomandprosperity.org/2014/blog/big-government/thanks-to-government- (1 more message)

mircea_popescu: derp. omfg google you betray me so.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ < there. see the pic.

ozbot: Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 727 @ 0.00024028 = 0.1747 BTC [+] {7}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0055 = 0.176 BTC

decimation: on the other hand, the idea of a bitcoin retirement 'fund' is retarded

decimation: why should some third party keep your keys because the gov't says?

decimation: it seems a different matter than a third party keeping your gold, for instance

mircea_popescu: only if you're looking for them to invest for you

mircea_popescu: otherwise you keep the btc

davout: Apocalyptic: just FTR LW has access to your EUR data, they have zero access to your BTC history and activity

decimation: yeah, but the way it works in the us is that you must have a custodian for your retirement account (tax free accrual)

Apocalyptic: davout, could they get it upon request ?

decimation: I guess this stems from the root of the problem being that a tax on bitcoin is retarded

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18519 @ 0.00087094 = 16.1289 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 192 @ 0.0008353 = 0.1604 BTC [-]

jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/life-under-bitcoin-regulation-worse-than-investors-think/ lol even wall street veterans are warning against btc regulation

mircea_popescu: davout thats okay, let them tax it.

davout: mircea_popescu: the BTC

davout: ?

mircea_popescu: the retirement account.

davout: Apocalyptic: with some court order or w/e

mircea_popescu: you don't care if it's tax free accrual or not.

decimation: true, I guess if there is 100x growth, then who cares if the gov't takes 10%

decimation: or whatever

decimation: it's their fiat anyway

decimation: like Shylock, bitcoin owners will take their pound of flesh when the time is right

mircea_popescu: moreover... if you put taxed money into it

mircea_popescu: it's untaxable.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00087094 = 9.711 BTC [+]

decimation: there is a thing called the "roth IRA" where you save post-income-tax money; USG claims it will never tax it again

decimation: A fool is born every minute etc.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00024499 = 2.4499 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: decimation hey, in that sense simply living in the us is taking your life in your hands.

decimation: you wrote a few days ago about the lunacy of a self-enforcing contract due to the context of language

decimation: yet there are those here who think the Constitution operates exactly in this way

decimation: Moldbug is more-or-less correct about the power that rules the us; it's the coordinated actions of the media, civil service, and academia (and all their attachments)

mircea_popescu: the media has no power.

mircea_popescu: the academia has... you know, the exact power of romania's "dissident" "inteligentsia"

mircea_popescu: it is a self-bestowed power of no actual consequence.

mircea_popescu: let me dig you this thing for you to read :

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are marketmaking ATC nao? How long until moon?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i might try and make a lil market today

herbijudlestoids: see what happens

herbijudlestoids: looks like someone has come in and put some bid in already at 375

herbijudlestoids: good sign

herbijudlestoids: was it someone here?

herbijudlestoids: im about to narrow the fuck out of that spread

herbijudlestoids: just waiting for some confirmations on my BTC deposit

herbijudlestoids: i also found a bug on openex last inght and lodged an issue on github

herbijudlestoids: seems like ok software tho

Apocalyptic: herbijudlestoids, was the bug security-related ?

herbijudlestoids: nah

decimation: The media has the power to veto things if they are able to make someone look bad

herbijudlestoids: just in relation to orders >8 decimal places

decimation: academia has the power to insert ideas into the bureaucratic process

mircea_popescu: decimation http://www.gandul.info/magazin/ceausescu-critic-literar-1064485

mircea_popescu: that's the article, in romanian.

mircea_popescu: it summarizes a book, which is mostly built on the stenographs of romania's dictator and sole source of power,

mircea_popescu: meeting romania's academia, in corpore.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: chess tonight? :D

mircea_popescu: the man passed for an idiot in their theoretical writings, he owns them on the floor. not because of a threat of violence, but through simple intellectual superiority.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not?

mircea_popescu: this, i am convinced, is the situation of the us academia : they tell each other they're smart,

mircea_popescu: but if they get caged with a head of civil service they get wiped.

mircea_popescu: not because the guy orders them killed, but because the guy is actrually smarter than them, and breaks off their metaphorical arms and beats them into a pulp with them

herbijudlestoids: yey, i will ping you in ~8h

decimation: I think that's true to some extent - not so with elected officials though

decimation: The civil service in the US is mostly a jobs program, but the elite staff at the top generally knows what they are doing (like Ceausescu, they have learned through doing)

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I can't guarantee I'll be awake that far into the future.

mircea_popescu: so basically... the press is just living off handouts, the academia mostly wishes to circlejerk undisturbed, has first dibs on available cash and otherwise grumbles but is thankful if resources dwindle

mircea_popescu: the us is the civil service, like any socialist state, the bureaucracy.

decimation: This is mostly true, but the civil service can't entirely ignore the media either. On the other hand, the civil service also tells the media what to print

decimation: Rule by permanant bureaucracy is actually pretty stable historically

decimation: look at the Eastern Roman empire, and China

mircea_popescu: so then yes it can entirely ignore it.

mircea_popescu: it just tells it what to print.

decimation: The trick that the us government must navigate is to make the people still think they matter while making all the real decisions for them

decimation: that's the job of the media largely

mircea_popescu: it's only stable for as long as there's no new technology.

mircea_popescu: it is very unstable once the currency is attacked.

mircea_popescu: louis had the rule by bureaucracy down pat.

davout: mircea_popescu: nice article, preaching to the converted :-)

mircea_popescu: this is why attacking the currency is so paramountly important.

mircea_popescu: davout i like preaching to the converted, they have the best cleavage.

davout: mircea_popescu: i'll need to ask pankkake to explain this one to me

mircea_popescu: lol p has good cleavage ?!

davout: i don't know what you mean by cleavage

pankkake: what

davout: pankkake: your english is better than mine

pankkake: décolleté

decimation: I'm certainly a fan of peaceful transitions

mircea_popescu: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/633894003071319270-cleavage.jpg

decimation: hopefully there will be no Committee for Public Safety in the us

pankkake: http://www.singleape.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/american-apparel-deep-vneck-shirt.jpg and I don't wear those

herbijudlestoids: ok back from my calls

davout: haha i still don't get it ><

mircea_popescu: decimation peaceful transition is experimentally a function of ethnic and cultural homogenity and size.

pankkake: me neither

mircea_popescu: the us is a large, federal (as opposed to national) construct.

mircea_popescu: it can't not be bloody.

mircea_popescu: davout me either, but cleavage.

davout: mircea_popescu: this i get

mircea_popescu: me too.

mircea_popescu: daily basis!

davout: :-)

decimation: yeah, there are many possibilities but the most likely seems to be falling back to individual soviergnty of the states

mircea_popescu: corsage cleavage actually.

mircea_popescu: decimation how do you reason ?

decimation: especially the ones that haven't been demographically ruined

decimation: some states are fairly homogeneous, and the idea of a 'state' is a sufficient Schelling point around which militia can rally

mircea_popescu: except the only point of history n the us is the defeating of such a construct.

mircea_popescu: or review the legal history of the concept of nullification

mircea_popescu: no argument that it will probably get bloody around this argument rather than any other,

mircea_popescu: so a schelling point it is.

mircea_popescu: just, not for peaceful transition.

decimation: yeah I think you are likely correct

decimation: the trouble is that the collapse of the US will engulf the entire world in instability

mircea_popescu: "the entire world" as seen from the us.

mircea_popescu: may spill into canada, certainly will destroy mexico.

KRS-One: decimation is correct, unfortunately

KRS-One: not sure about the stability part, but it will be felt.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025498 = 0.255 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: how ? suddenly much cheaper oil and ciggarettes ?

decimation: Well, almost all "sovereign" nations today define themselves in relation to US power

mircea_popescu: how did you end up with that conclusion ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00025498 = 0.3825 BTC [+]

decimation: at the very least, there will be a hunt for collaborators

mircea_popescu: you tihnk ?

mircea_popescu: that's how medieval italy played out, except everyone inside blamed everyone for doing it

mircea_popescu: "bringing foreign troops into italia"

decimation: I guess if everyone is at fault then nobody is at fault

mircea_popescu: i doubt us people will actually want russian boots in pennsylvania

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2785 @ 0.000255 = 0.7102 BTC [+]

decimation: no they will stop that

mircea_popescu: obviously should the russians, chinese, saudi, israelis etc etc actually want to set foot

mircea_popescu: there'll be not many to stop them anyway

mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, you know how late venice resolved the problem of french invaders ?

jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe north korea will invade the south once us troops go home

jurov: china joins the fray, then japan,...

mircea_popescu: jurov famished as they are, they'll be prolly beaten off with a stick

decimation: We are talking 1600's or so? no I don't

jurov: hopfully and dumbed by meth.

mircea_popescu: decimation the venetian whores fucked them well.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000255 = 0.255 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: including a certain high ranking chick the french king.

mircea_popescu: so i can totally see arizona liberated by the las vegas cocksucker tribe.

herbijudlestoids: im not betting on war :)

herbijudlestoids: although the senkakku/daiyou island stuff is troubling

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]

decimation: This was Charles VIII's invasion?

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids war lite. people shooting each other with small arms as if it were burbank.

mircea_popescu: decimation yea

decimation: interesting. the trouble with a turbulant future for the US (or other nuclear powers) is: what happens to the nukes?

mircea_popescu: decimation what happened to the russian nukes ?

jurov: the us bought them

mircea_popescu: notrly, but anyway.

pankkake: does S.MPOE intend to buy nukes?

jurov: hahaha

mircea_popescu: if they're cheap enough, why not.

mircea_popescu: a sovereign is a sovereign, it will do anything it may deem worth doing.

decimation: indeed, and once a 'bitcoin sovereign' acquires nukes, the foothold will be forever established

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086745 = 10.4961 BTC [-]

herbijudlestoids: http://www.buzzfeed.com/juliegerstein/26-terrifyingly-sexy-pairs-of-mens-underwear-just-in-time-fo

ozbot: 26 Super-Sexy Pairs Of Men's Underwear Totally Perfect For Valentine's Day

decimation: The Russian nukes were managed by the civil service who wrought them

mircea_popescu: decimation not really, it's an expensive and dirty foothold.

mircea_popescu: we're not living in 1953

decimation: Well, if there is a major collapse of the US dollar for instance

decimation: the DoD will be broke

decimation: the aircraft carriers will rot in their docks

mircea_popescu: decimation expensive i meant in an absolute sense.

mircea_popescu: you have to maintain them

decimation: absolutely

decimation: and the delivery mechanisms

mircea_popescu: its a major hassle.

mircea_popescu: one of the reason this sovereign beats that sovereign is that it has a better definition of sovereignity.

mircea_popescu: one that's not tailored to the last lost war and its constraints.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 400 @ 0.000255 = 0.102 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: in 2013 nuclear warheads are about as useful as DTT bombs in an apple model store.

mircea_popescu: really, they'll kill a fly ? and douse everyone in there in carcinogenics ?

jurov: they will prolly sell them at thinkgeek

mircea_popescu: wait till you read the blogfeeds.

decimation: well, the ultimate argument against nukes today is that wealth is not held physically anymore

decimation: the value of a city is the sum of all the services its brains can provide

decimation: nuking the place ruins the value, making it a foolish proposition for any rational actor

herbijudlestoids: yo mirpop, its 2014

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: moreover, practically : tokyo was hit worse than if the us had actually detonated a large nuclear warhead.

mircea_popescu: according to tokio administration, everything is and has been ok.

mircea_popescu: so i guess... it doesn't do much, after all.

jurov: there are irrational actors. religious nuttery is actually on the rise.

decimation: Yeah nukes are actually surprisingly survivable: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html

mircea_popescu: jurov the guarantee isn't that no city will be hit. in fact as i say above, at least one already has.

mircea_popescu: the guarantee is that it won't matter. it won't.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.000255 = 0.9945 BTC [+]

decimation: even in the red zone you would likely survive the immediate radiation if you were in a simple bunker

decimation: the pressure and fire, not so much perhaps

mircea_popescu: this is in fact the laser pointer argument all over again. the earth is very large. nukes are rather limited. see

mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Fukuryū_Maru

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000255 = 1.53 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: from Cryptsy "We pick coins based on what we perceive the volume will be not based on any criteria you can just meet."

ThickAsThieves: do it up herb!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1618 @ 0.00087094 = 1.4092 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: o looky, wikipedia finally running out of bandwidth ?!

pankkake: I thought you just had to bribe them

decimation: indeed, and any attack against a nuclear state with nukes must always be considered suicidal because of the uncertainty about counter-strikes

mircea_popescu: "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon."

ThickAsThieves: technically they dont want romanians reading it

herbijudlestoids: okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi

ThickAsThieves: sorry!

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3920 @ 0.000255 = 0.9996 BTC [+]

herbijudlestoids: ill try and keep it so

mircea_popescu: decimation not quite. the russians would retaliate against the us and eu, the us would probably retaliate against china,

mircea_popescu: china likely won't retaliate and that's the whole story.

Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> okkk..the spread on ATCBTC is now 1 satoshi // you're aware of the fees right ?

herbijudlestoids: what do you mean?

herbijudlestoids: i am aware that there is a commission, yes...what does that have to do with the bid/ask spread?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can load the page ?

herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: im trying to build a microstructure and get paid appropriately for it

herbijudlestoids: haha fuck yes!

herbijudlestoids: already some bots seen it

herbijudlestoids: i am not the only one with this game in mind it seems, someone has an algo waiting

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07166666 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3}

Apocalyptic: your spread has to be higher than the commission in order to make it profitable disregarding price movement

kakobrekla: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.97, Best ask: 606.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.02000, Last trade: 603.06, 24 hour volume: 28763.64056223, 24 hour low: 601.54, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.853465711

kakobrekla: o no moar gox here as well

pankkake: finally

kakobrekla: amazing

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.0, Best ask: 444.47083, Bid-ask spread: 0.47083, Last trade: 444.0, 24 hour volume: 29456.16303645, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 549.0, 24 hour vwap: 492.42453

mircea_popescu: iiiincredible.

kakobrekla: options dude mixed up 400 with 4k

herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: gotta build it first.

kakobrekla: i tell ya.

herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: if i can convince some other fuckers to be doing the same thing then it starts to roll

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe so. even if he had tho... he'd still be underwater atm

kakobrekla: myea

pankkake: openex has volume?

Apocalyptic: the guy running it is a nobody with shady past history afaik, UI is shit, the engine is PHP and looks like shit too

pankkake: so are the other altcoin trading places

herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: lol...it doesnt have much volume

Apocalyptic: it still does way more it should imi

Apocalyptic: *imo

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sounds about right

BingoBoingo: Their order matching seems to be shit as well.

Apocalyptic: ^

kakobrekla: the string, is not tight enough.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching?

mircea_popescu: i think we should ban kakobrekla because he is slanderous.

Apocalyptic: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: whats specifically wrong with the order matching? // try to sell for a price of 0.00001

kakobrekla: not this again, whats next, you gonna ask me to fix and run mpex?

Apocalyptic: order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: i tried to wipe out your bids with one limit order down to 111 satoshis and it skipped your bids and sold cheap

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> order will get executed at that price even if their are better bids << ahahaha WHAT

Apocalyptic: it's just... WTF

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: cos theres no liquidity in my bids

Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, i'm not even joking

herbijudlestoids: it matched correctly

B007: mircea_popescu: http://kazarinakristina.deviantart.com/art/Can-u-luv-me-again-419316137

herbijudlestoids: and if that was you, butthole :P

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so it puts unfunded bids on the book ?!

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: when i say no i mean low

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, I just manually sniped your bids after that fail.

mircea_popescu: so it should have still executed

mircea_popescu: why skip them

herbijudlestoids: it didnt skip them

herbijudlestoids: they were executed!

herbijudlestoids: i own ~3000 more ATC than i did a few minutes ago

Apocalyptic: in my experience they weren't

Apocalyptic: WHAT

mircea_popescu: B007 ty, what's that ?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They were executed after the sale at 110 satoshis. Because I had to target them at the exact price

B007: pics of girls

B007: everyone likes girls

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}

Apocalyptic: seriously this openex is unworthy of ATC

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: check the ATC trade history

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic seems so.

kakobrekla: so can atc buy pussy yet?

mircea_popescu: but it was the first one in the market.

mircea_popescu: sorta how mtgox happened.

mircea_popescu: took 3 years to get rid of.

Apocalyptic: i wonder why atc does require libboost

Apocalyptic: *libboost_chrono

herbijudlestoids: welp

pankkake: all bitcoins require it

herbijudlestoids: now you took my bids i got no more bids

herbijudlestoids: gg

pankkake: well, I updated the makefile, older boost versions don't need that change

mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo in battlegear

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just waiting for the next challenger to try to close the bid-ask spread

kakobrekla: is the market cap > than 1 pussy ?

Apocalyptic: x-bt's libboost libs are too old for that

mircea_popescu: lmao

pankkake: openex considers a 30 char password is only "good"

mircea_popescu: i had no idea there's ecosystem

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'll sell you 1 pussy for 100 atc.

kakobrekla: those better not be digital?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069 = 0.138 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/146/0/1/dat_pussy__lol_by_i_am_jeff_the_killer-d66m0tr.jpg

kakobrekla: scammed

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12471428 = 0.873 BTC [+] {5}

herbijudlestoids: haha ffs BingoBoingo

herbijudlestoids: lets see how you like this then

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CryptoPumpGuru << noobs today.

ozbot: Crypto Pump Guru (CryptoPumpGuru) on Twitter

mircea_popescu: basically the concept of altcoin matched just perfectly on the preexisting pump and dump thing.

Duffer1: "Will be doing huge pumps in the future. Honest, safe, never pre-pump."

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

B007: I made some dosh doing pump & dump

B007: not much though

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old owner still had working passwords - half a year after the transfer was completed" << Butugichag is waiting with open arms for these fine folks.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 2011 tho. you gotta understand, it was sort-of like atc.

mircea_popescu: ie, this plaything.

kakobrekla: B007 i hope you feel proud!

herbijudlestoids: this is slightly more amusing than chess BingoBoingo

herbijudlestoids: is it really just you

herbijudlestoids: or is there other participants in this shenanigans

B007: kakobrekla: I do

kakobrekla: lel.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dunno

kakobrekla: mircea_popescu wheres that personal responsibility url

kakobrekla: slap it to B007's face.

mircea_popescu: i'm not shenaniganing.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: if you want the market to be liquid at ~100 so be it :P

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00025437 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no because who's he.

mircea_popescu: is that 100 satoshi ?

kakobrekla: some dude typing in this box

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are the one who keeps Buying high and selling low

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as rickles once said, he's making a loss on every trade but hopes to make it up on volume.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My favorite part of this exercise is the one where I nao have moar ATC and BTC

BingoBoingo: Except for that mistake in their order matching left me down some ATC, because string and cans

mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b56b45d6420c2006bf747e77549b54e/tumblr_myrrg82s3h1rtl7ujo1_1280.jpg

pankkake: approved

pankkake: oh, it's lexo

kakobrekla: the what?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the goal was to seed a microstructure, but if you dont want one, thats coo :) i can just lift the offers

herbijudlestoids: now what? nothin. boring.

herbijudlestoids: we coulda played pass the parcel

kakobrekla: first you need to fake up the volume

Vexual: im coming to the party

kakobrekla: to get some eyes watching

herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: isnt that wut i said

pankkake: should fake volumes be a feature of altcoingen.io? :)

kakobrekla: i have no idea what you said

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I believe this point came up in the -assets log earlier. You didn't need someone with 100 BTC to beat your efforts at Market Marking. All it took as someone with 0.015 BTC and some ATC.

herbijudlestoids: ? thats exactly what i said would happen?

herbijudlestoids: i am not capitalised correctly to make bids

kakobrekla: i dont know what is happening. so ill leave.

herbijudlestoids: and if im not capitalised correctly then the best i can do is the best i can do

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Or you could simply try to not become less capitalized?

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yer, in which case the spread stays at 300 and nobody gives a fuck about the market

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It isn't necessarily unhealty. It simply means sellers and buyers have a disagreement.

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ok well let us see how much activity occurs with a spread of 300, my guess is none.

herbijudlestoids: probly between me and you there has been more activity in ATCBTC in the last hour than the last 5 days

mike_c: not even close.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider this a lesson in fundamental assumptions that vary between the fiat and BTC worlds. Fiat can have money come in at any price.

herbijudlestoids: not really sure how this is any different from a fiat market

herbijudlestoids: aside from lack of leverage

herbijudlestoids: its just a two way auction.

BingoBoingo: BTC on the other hand is too expensive to throw away on making a market look right.

BingoBoingo: It is more important the market actually BE right, than to look "right"

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Consider the spreads on S.BBET and S.NSA

herbijudlestoids: right, so the correct state of ATCBTC is no trades? gg

mircea_popescu: what is the atc voluem to date actually ?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No the correct state is trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value.

herbijudlestoids: sweet fuck all

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier this week it was up to 0.1 in a 24 hour period on Openex

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids gotta be a least a coupla bitcoins by now

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so like ~2btc total ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it wasn't sustained long enough

herbijudlestoids: i count the cumulative volume as 0.18

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069 = 0.276 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: yeah but iirc i bought like 500k otc,

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trades only when there is an agreement between buyers and sellers on value << where have you traded - and what? - where trade happens in some other way?

herbijudlestoids: from all trades listed in the recent trades window

mircea_popescu: and then ThickAsThieves also bought some iirc, so did you

pankkake: my sales are probably 0.3 BTC tops

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3017 @ 0.000255 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {3}

herbijudlestoids: lel the smallest market in the world

mircea_popescu: i think it all adds up to 2-3 over its lifetime

duduqa: hi folks

mircea_popescu: very cutely microscopic.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0698 = 0.1396 BTC [+]

pankkake: bernankoin had a sole $25 transaction

pankkake: making it worth $10668370931 now

mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/600c2ec26e9c9fcecccfc237252ba881/tumblr_ms3qgk9xvM1s9b0ano1_1280.jpg

mike_c: HunterS sold a couple million ATC supposedly

mircea_popescu: mike_c i thought 1mn

mike_c: he said he already offloaded 1.6mn before that

mircea_popescu: ah

mircea_popescu: ok so looks more like 5 really ?

pankkake: ;;calc 16850*512

gribble: 8627200

mircea_popescu: amusingly this is way better than bitcoin's first year

kakobrekla: Next difficulty (estimate)

kakobrekla: 32,319.43

kakobrekla: -48.47% change to current

kakobrekla: 1294 blocks until difficulty changes

mircea_popescu: i think it took about 19 months for a 5 btc aggregated trade

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't much traded. I simply saw herbijudlestoids buying and selling at prices I like.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless i'm missing something, trade only happens when buyer and seller agree on a price. when goods change hands regardless, we usually use another word for it.

herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: you say price, BingoBoingo is talking perceived value.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well,sure

mircea_popescu: i thought you were both discussing other people's other trades

mircea_popescu: rather than your own

herbijudlestoids: nah i put some bids in, try and create some interest, bingo wanted the bids instead of pass the parcel...now nothin

herbijudlestoids: i dun have enough BTC to keep the shenanigans goin

BingoBoingo: When he put in asks I also found them palatable.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: "so, fiat quant finds crypto playground, gets creamed" ?

herbijudlestoids: well, it was my assumption that BingoBoingo wouldnt wanna see the last trade as ~100 but i guess i was wrong

mircea_popescu: happens.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg5103950#msg5103950

mircea_popescu: check it out, kate's back, they say.

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: last trade now seems to be 700

ozbot: [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE-PT - Industrial Mining & High Performance Computing

Apocalyptic: someone's dumping hard on stamp

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i have not been creamed in any market since may 6 2010 :)

mircea_popescu: well what happened here then lol

duduqa: Apocalyptic: fresh newbies desperate

mircea_popescu: traditionally "i had a plan, gotta discontinue cause out of capital" is creamed.

KRS-One: creamed?

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wil6sFcC1rrvc3lo1_500.jpg

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i sold some BTC for some ATC? at above the diff implied price?

Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that's what happens when you're MMing with low funds

herbijudlestoids: ^

B007: ozbot: boob are too big

mircea_popescu: holy shit i know that chick.

mircea_popescu: those aren't her boobs eithr.

KRS-One: yeah its totally looking the other way all stuck up

mircea_popescu: this is a chop/

KRS-One: rebait

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0yk6CDFY1robs3no1_500.jpg

KRS-One: Mmmm rawr

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you're always going to be low on funds. this is bitcoin.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so then what's the prblm ?

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no problem specifically, but its unsustainable, id prefer to continue making a market around the diff implied price than not

mircea_popescu: how is it unsustainable, selling btc for atc at above diff implied price ?

mircea_popescu: or you mean, the atc was above ?

herbijudlestoids: i mean, now that i have no BTC in the account, i cant make the market...thats all

mike_c: so you made some profitable trades and now you're broke.

mircea_popescu: so then you got creamed.

KRS-One: .bait

ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcza4qRLbt1rhmdp0o1_500.jpg

mircea_popescu: it is either one or the other you know.

herbijudlestoids: not really sure how im failing to explain this

mircea_popescu: either what you do is profitable and sustainable, or else it isn't. we have a word for that latter.

herbijudlestoids: so if i make a profit, but i cant make another profit, it counts as getting creamed?

herbijudlestoids: just to clarify on your definitions?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 315 @ 0.0055 = 1.7325 BTC {2}

mircea_popescu: yup.

mircea_popescu: cause obviously you didn't make a profit.

kakobrekla: > I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time.

mircea_popescu: you just booked a profit.

KRS-One: http://i.imgur.com/7knHvEF.jpg

kakobrekla: this is how you run a company.

kakobrekla: perhaps we were short, perhaps i was high

mircea_popescu: perhaps the lucy in the sky...

jayk: oh dear

kakobrekla: perhaps i cut my dick off with that btc

mircea_popescu: and now i want the world to see

Duffer1: i've never seen that color of star trek shirt

jayk: at least ringo wasnt singing

herbijudlestoids: i find your definitions to be strange

herbijudlestoids: and confusing

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mircea_popescu: !b 2

jayk: did you ever find out who that band of naked ladies was mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: btw kakobrekla since you're not doing anything useful anyway, approve some bashes ?

mircea_popescu: jayk which one ?

jayk: oh id have to look for the picture

jayk: it was a week and half ago

jayk: it was in black and white

mircea_popescu: yes well you gotta cut me some slack here, i deal with nude bands of amazons on a biweekly basis

jayk: it was kind of amusing

mike_c: herbijudlestoids: it is not complicated. you did not "make a profit". you entered a position.

mircea_popescu: s/cut/cunt/

jayk: hah

BingoBoingo: I made two profits.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

BingoBoingo: And last trade on ATC was 700 Satoshis

jayk: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me15otBzHe1ru15g3o1_500.jpg

mircea_popescu: incidentally, why are you two so convinced a high last trade is useful or important ?

jayk: that pic

mike_c: omg. their order matching is horrible

mircea_popescu: not saying it isn't necessarily, but curious as to the rationale.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm no

kakobrekla: wait, reading the forum is not useful!? fuck, the time wasted.

BingoBoingo: *not

BingoBoingo: But I think Dogers like high last trades

mircea_popescu: jayk ah, nope. they claimed it was some slovenian band but it turned out to be a scam

jayk: oic

jayk: haha

mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam7zdFeJR1ru15g3o1_500.jpg there.

BingoBoingo: Hopefully some Dogers will see 700 and think my selling at 625 is cheap

BingoBoingo: At least I hope idiocy works that way

herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im starting to feel like i perceive value at 110 :)

mircea_popescu: because smaller amount of derphone ?

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Isn't two cans and a sting magical

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6647 @ 0.00087106 = 5.7899 BTC [+] {2}

herbijudlestoids: as long as the spread is wide it costs me almost nothing to keep the last at 110 :P

herbijudlestoids: i can keep the idiots far away

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know you aren't gifiting me cheap ATC at that price?

herbijudlestoids: i am, sure, 0.00000001 ATC

mircea_popescu: to reiterate my earlier q : why are you so convinced a high price is better than a low price ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm not at all convinced. I just want to trick herbijudlestoids into gifting me more coins.

mircea_popescu: well yes, it's what generally goes on in the markets.

BingoBoingo: Now I just have to see if my withdrawal of most of herbijudlestoids's BTC makes it from Openex to https://blockchain.info/address/1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4

Apocalyptic: good luck

Duffer1: LvCunts

Duffer1: nice

mircea_popescu: cunt levelling service ?

herbijudlestoids: i will just have to get another $9 :P

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you're focusing on the wrong aspect here. nobody is proposing you should be hanged, the argument isn't that o woe, you lost your dwelling and your woman and your future playing barbute with teh atc market.

herbijudlestoids: yea im not really sure what the argument is other than BingoBoingo wanted to prove some point about the way BTC markets should be

herbijudlestoids: gg

mike_c: ;;ud gg

gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gg | GG. "Good Game" 1. A polite remark uttered after the end of a round, game, or other measured interval to indicate that a match was fair and enjoyable. Usually ...

ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gg

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, the point is they should be different from Doge markets with their pumping and dumping and a lack of actual value

mircea_popescu: "good going"

BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: gg

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids think in terms of autonomous entities. like say an insect, or whatever. its survival as a type and as a species depends on interracting with an unspeicifed envronment a certain way.

mircea_popescu: so far you're failing that test.

herbijudlestoids: lol ok?

herbijudlestoids: lucky my survival doesnt depend at all whatsoever on my attempts to generate interest on openex in ATCBTC :)

mike_c: <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more?

herbijudlestoids: haha fuck mike_c if its so aggravating, you can just put me on ignore, right? like i dont want to draw sighs from anyone

mike_c: uh oh. don't get all sensitive again

herbijudlestoids: again?

Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5129392#msg5129392 bitbet anyone?

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mike_c: nevermind, nevermind. anyway, the spread has gotten lower.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no but see, the argument is that nature did well enough populating the earth without trying to populate the earth

mircea_popescu: but merely out of a bunch of things following my rule above.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile obama did very poorly trying to "restart the economy" from the top down

mircea_popescu: and generally, the ideology surrounding bitcoin is that these two are irreconciliable, and the 2nd is wrong.

herbijudlestoids: mike_c: yall seem convinced that you have taught me some kind of lesson...or that im learning it...or whatever...all i can see is approx what i said would happen if undercapitalised, happened. i dont really take any exception to it happening, but to the idea that there was some kind of inherent lesson, or some point, whatever... i dont see it

herbijudlestoids: this all started because mircea_popescu asked if i would be his "ATC daytrader on openex" because i mentioned having put on a small cascade of limit sells last night...and i said i didnt think there was anything to the market except the potential for MM

Apocalyptic: still talking about this heh ?

pankkake: Duffer1: I don't know if it will attract anyone. http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ is almost dead

herbijudlestoids: i tried it anyway, to keep an open mind because maybe i am missing some concept... but i dont think i am.

herbijudlestoids: apparently this == quant gets creamed

pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/528/activemining-will-be-profitable-for-most-investors/ was better but required a lot of forum whoring :)

ozbot: BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors

herbijudlestoids: for strange definitions of creamed

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: your analogies arent even close to related. nature builds simple robust systems, obama trying to restart a complex system far from equilibrium...

Vexual: Prince defined it back in '91

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: in no sense am i trying to build a complex system, just provide the seedbed for liquidity in ATCBTC on openex, in the hopes of enticing others to do similar

benkay: hope and socialism and a couple million bucks might get you a market.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00087115 = 10.3667 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08174 = 0.4087 BTC [-] {2}

mike_c: herb, i wasn't trying to rile you up. i was just commenting on you saying you didn't care because you lost $9. my point was that's the best kind of loss to learn from if you can.

herbijudlestoids: im not riled up lol, im trying to understand wtf

mircea_popescu: well ok, so how come my analogies are not related ?

jimjenkin: hi mircea

mircea_popescu: heya

jimjenkin: good post on mtgox

mircea_popescu: why ty.

jimjenkin: on your blog

Apocalyptic: damn i missed the new trilema

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, it's nothing as heavyhanded as "a lesson" blabla, it's just we apparently all seem to see sometyhing there.

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i just explained it? nature does not build systems which drift from equilibrium. obama is literally riding a complex system in escape velocity. the implication is that what i tried to do is ...incorrect...because its obama-esque and not nature-esque...im saying thats so far from what i was trying to accomplish, that i dont understand the connection

mircea_popescu: so what were you trying to accomplish ? because it seems one of those polymorphous things which changes under examination.

herbijudlestoids: ....

mircea_popescu: were you trying to turn a profit, were you trying to improve the atc ecosystem, what was it ?

jimjenkin: obama cant build obamacare becuase its impossible to scale 1 system to 330million individuals duh.

jimjenkin: that type of health system works in tiny populations like norway

mircea_popescu: jimjenkin norway has the advantage it doesn't need to build self-sustaining system, because they're getting free money from the sea.

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: what i said to you from the very beginning was that there is no profit to turn, except in the potential for MM, which i am underfunded for, but i would give a crack anyway

jimjenkin: thats true too mircea

mircea_popescu: so were you trying to turn a profit ?

herbijudlestoids: profit can come when there is an actual stack of bids and offers to sell into, in the meantime can make a small market around the diff implied price which encourages others to do same, generating the potential for daytrading, etc

mircea_popescu: that's a yes or a no?

jimjenkin: lol

jimjenkin: answers a simple question with gibberish

pankkake: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/198141

herbijudlestoids: am i really speaking gibberish here?

jimjenkin: the man asked you a question

mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is pretty much bitcoin-fiat dialogue, personified.

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the purpose of my activity, like i explained to you (now 3 times) was to have a go at something i was skeptical would work, specifically because you seemed to think there was some potential in trying the idea out

herbijudlestoids: i couldnt decipher what the potential was on questioning

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0008721 = 13.7792 BTC [+] {2}

herbijudlestoids: but willing to keep an open mind and have a go anyway

mircea_popescu: so what you're saying is basically that my question can not be answered, in that you can't in retrospect establish if you were or were not trying to turn a profit.

herbijudlestoids: i already said from the beginning that its highly unlikely for any business to succeed if undercapitalised and in this case i am undercapitalised for "daytrading ATC on openex"

mircea_popescu: <mike_c> <sigh> you want to learn your lessons when they only cost $9 or when they cost more? << the problem here is, of course, that people will waive their immunity to reality when reality is still powerless. this kind of puts a low bound on everyone's education, and this is why it's so much cheaper to educate poor kids.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's that to do with anything ?

mircea_popescu: so you said hail mary before stepping on the battlefield. so ?

mircea_popescu: mike_c also why slaves are the most educable. they own nothing, are immune to nothing, have no choice but tu learn.

jimjenkin: mircea_popescu: can you talk about the latest developments regarding the tx mal. bullshit, does it matter?

mircea_popescu: jimjenkin depends what your criteria are, but i dunno why it would generally matter.

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i was not specifically, with the amount of capital input, trying to turn a profit. no. i figured that was clear but apparently not. the goal, specifically, was to entice an "ecosystem" as you put it, into existence, from which a profit can actually be derived.

mircea_popescu: so you were not trying to turn a profit, but to build up the ecosystem.

mircea_popescu: how is this different from obama trying to "restart the economy" ?

herbijudlestoids: i dun really see how its related at all.

mircea_popescu: so you perceive no point of contact between the two whatsoever ?

jimjenkin: everyone in crypto is trying to build an ecosystem, but they never explain what that ecosystem actually is

jimjenkin: another catchphrase of the tech community

herbijudlestoids: for the retarded, pls explicitly state what is the point of contact between trying to establish liquidity for exchanging ATCBTC and obama trying to kickstart a disjoint complex system in failure mode

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16046 @ 0.0008704 = 13.9664 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the us economy is in state S, obama intends to move it to state S'.

mircea_popescu: atc is in state A, you intend to move it to state A'

mircea_popescu: it would seem you are substantially both the same thing doing the same thing : having identified a "better" state and labouring to enact this notion of yours into reality.

herbijudlestoids: soooo basically, everything fighting entropy in any form whatsoever is now analoguous to obama trying to kickstart the economy

mircea_popescu: not in any form whatsoever.

herbijudlestoids: my body is in state X and trying to move to state X'

herbijudlestoids: my body is obama

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: your body is not aiming for a state in that sense, but merely proceeding from X.

mircea_popescu: you see, if your liver relases glycogen, this is because of X, not because of X'.

mircea_popescu: this distinction, which may appear without a difference, is actually the whole story.

herbijudlestoids: usually when you type mircea_popescu i feel like there is a ray of insight and knowledge which i can catch and appreciate. not so much today.

jimjenkin: so are you trying to make a profit

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i guess it must be cloudy :)

random_cat: what is the underlying for mpex options these days?

mircea_popescu: random_cat same as always, the bitcoincharts usd basket

herbijudlestoids: random_cat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids can you proceed through reductio ad absurdum ?

MisterE: how low can it go?

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: its been a while, but i guess so

MisterE: :D

MisterE: for some reason a drop always makes me giddy

random_cat: ty

mircea_popescu: MisterE in this case it makes me giddy too, i've a boatload of puts.

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MisterE: :)

random_cat: i knew i'd seen the basket answer before, but it got lost somewhere in the grey matter

herbijudlestoids: pankkake: there is a slashdot boycott underway you know :P

MisterE: fuck beta!

herbijudlestoids: ^

Jere_Jones: ;;bc,24hprc

gribble: 566.99

mircea_popescu: 1st comment is pretty cool pankkake

mircea_popescu: the only problem is that they're not decentralised, that's why.

mircea_popescu: if only they could be decentralised it'd work.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: .bait

ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5840m0b5c1r4qqc5o1_1280.jpg

KRS-One: she looks fun

mircea_popescu: she looks cold.

mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.21, Best ask: 583.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.29000, Last trade: 580.2, 24 hour volume: 34030.08209270, 24 hour low: 575.13, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 623.550568937

BingoBoingo: ;;asks 10000

gribble: There are currently 29342.931 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 33898938.0649 USD in total. | Data vintage: 87.7646 seconds

BingoBoingo: .bait

ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u69wVO941robs3no1_1280.jpg

jcpham: goxfail is funny

ThickAsThieves: wow you guys really overanalyzed this ATC mm thing

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55999999 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: herb, you did it wrong

ThickAsThieves: di it righter next time

ThickAsThieves: do*

herbijudlestoids: lol thx for the tips ThickAsThieves

ThickAsThieves: as soon as i saw your orders i knew you'd fail

herbijudlestoids: iv come up with a new strategy to keep hitting the bids with tiny increments and keep the last price down, somebody doesnt like it and has been thickening the book for me

ThickAsThieves: though the book looks better now

herbijudlestoids: yea they have to keep the book thicker to stop the tiny offers hitting their bids

herbijudlestoids: otherwise i can keep the price low indefinitely

ThickAsThieves: 500 is low? sweet

the20year1: 375, dang

BingoBoingo: Doge just had its first halving, Altcoin need to work on its Moon.

the20year1: There is now nearly a $200 gap between gox and coinbase

ThickAsThieves: it's not a gap it's a conversion rate

ThickAsThieves: goxcash and $ are not the same

the20year1: I understand

the20year1: however at one time the $ over coinbase price was quite high

taub: still spooky watching gox die like this

herbijudlestoids: http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-88000-bitcoin-allegedly-stolen/

ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, Over 4,000 Bitcoin Allegedly Stolen | TechCrunch

the20year1: What's this reference wallet stuff>

ThickAsThieves: maybe Silk Road 3 will be the charm!

ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.73, Best ask: 556.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 556.0, 24 hour volume: 36665.57017113, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 660.0, 24 hour vwap: 621.045881481

ThickAsThieves: cheap coins

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12794 @ 0.00087083 = 11.1414 BTC [+] {2}

ThickAsThieves: wow

ThickAsThieves: gox is at 360

ThickAsThieves: 308

ThickAsThieves: wow

Vexual: do they still have any magic cards to trade?

ThickAsThieves: that was weird

ThickAsThieves: the book just disappeared and reappeared

ThickAsThieves: bids were filling at 305

ThickAsThieves: then like 3000btc of bids reappeared

ThickAsThieves: wtf

herbijudlestoids: bids filled at 302

ThickAsThieves: how do they many orders just appear?

ThickAsThieves: that*

ThickAsThieves: something fishy

ThickAsThieves: or maybe the feed was outta whack

ThickAsThieves: now the bid is $20 over the ask

ThickAsThieves: this is it boys

ThickAsThieves: gox is gasping for air

mike_c: it is in freefall

ThickAsThieves: these guys are just shorting on losses to eachother

ThickAsThieves: it's gonna break 200 i bet

twizt: below 100

twizt: lol

the20year1: 312

twizt: imo

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: what do you mean shorting

asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nuclear-arm-fuse-safe-panel.htm

herbijudlestoids: i thought gox was a long only market

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> it's not a gap it's a conversion rate << more like a convulsion rate.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i thought they were 5k btc yest.

benkay: also lulzy

benkay: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/700-mtgox-insolvency/

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you thought what was 5000BTC yesterday?

ThickAsThieves: i mean people are panicking, thinking they are actually selling at a loss so they can buy cheaper

ThickAsThieves: but no one is left

ThickAsThieves: they are just pushing it to 0

herbijudlestoids: ah right

herbijudlestoids: well if they have halted bitcoin withdrawals then...

ThickAsThieves: or,

ThickAsThieves: gox knows theyve been had

MisterE: if they have halted withdrawals its over

ThickAsThieves: and is fractional big time

herbijudlestoids: MisterE: from my understanding only bitcoin withdrawals have been halted

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0028036 = 1.4018 BTC [-] {8}

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i get the feeling it wasnt fractional until the US Gov took several millions of their monies :P

ThickAsThieves: i dont envy the goxer right now?

MisterE: I still cant find any difinitive news about it

ThickAsThieves: which currency to fall back on?

ThickAsThieves: goxcash or goxcoins?

MisterE: yea I never wanted to trade at Gox ever

ThickAsThieves: herb it's been fractional since they decided to have a God account

MisterE: not after their harsh verification crap

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00279702 = 4.1955 BTC [-] {5}

herbijudlestoids: MisterE: isnt that weird that you can never seem to find information? lol .... https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html " As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin

mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> this is it boys << you have any idea how many different times in its history gox showed crossed wire ?

MisterE: wow Gox at $340 now

MisterE: btc-e and huboi ftw!

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids as far as i recall the original reports of the sr 2.0 failure placed the loss at 5k btc

mircea_popescu: which was a gross overstatement even then

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ah right in reference to SR2. thx

ThickAsThieves: mp, cant you just let me be dramatic!

mircea_popescu: a ok

MisterE: Japan is always lying about their stuff that goes wrong

mircea_popescu: MisterE the guy is a french citizen

MisterE: it's the asian face saving thing

herbijudlestoids: MisterE: is btc-e really that trustworthy?

mircea_popescu: who apparently grew up in a romanian orphanage (?!)

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no.

herbijudlestoids: thought so

herbijudlestoids: so, ftl :P

ThickAsThieves: oh i forgot to check how reddit is doing

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1226 @ 0.000257 = 0.3151 BTC [+]

MisterE: whats wrong with btc-e?

ThickAsThieves: reddit is asleep i guess

mircea_popescu: they were involved in at least one case of pumping a premined coin

mircea_popescu: back before this had become standard reddit practice

MisterE: oh? which?

MisterE: ahh

mircea_popescu: what was it even called, puresomething

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00087259 = 17.8445 BTC [+] {2}

MisterE: theres almost 100 altcoins now

ThickAsThieves: novacoin

ThickAsThieves: was btc-e's scamcoin

MisterE: I think that counts the ones that have failed too

mircea_popescu: and otherwise, sort-of dubious russian folk. not necessarily untrustworthy, just not particularly trustworthy for any reasons.

MisterE: huh, interesting

mircea_popescu: MisterE no coin ever fails. much like the us dollar, a coin has no actual obligations

MisterE: yea thats the only thing that worried me was the Russian angle

mircea_popescu: and so can never fail.

MisterE: well people drop it

MisterE: like Coinye

mircea_popescu: sure

MisterE: hashrate falls, etc.

ThickAsThieves: coins are zen

MisterE: LTC is dying a slow death

the20year1: russian angle?

ThickAsThieves: it is man who holds discontent

cazalla: MisterE: it'll be on gox any moment!

MisterE: yea it's Russian owned

MisterE: or started in Russia or someting

MisterE: lol cazalla

ThickAsThieves: just got another message, "what are your long-term plans for Altcoin?"

benkay: MisterE: better to assume everything's a scam but Bitcoin.

MisterE: that is their only hope is to take on altcoins

mircea_popescu: either that or to take cock.

herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: still there?

MisterE: haha

MisterE: cock pays

MisterE: always has, always will

ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 5000 --mtgox

gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 5000

gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1616577.0448 USD and would take the last price down to 291.3229 USD, resulting in an average price of 323.3154 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1923 seconds

mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --market mtgox

mircea_popescu: took it out huh.

ThickAsThieves: gox is default still

mike_c: ATC is fifth highest volume on openex

mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj7hslN4H1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << cold water. it doesn't shrink only cocks. boobs too.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no it's not

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lelll youre like an artist and your theme is "one naked lady amongst many clothed people"

herbijudlestoids: always.

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids aka "the human condition"

herbijudlestoids: too cryptic for the retarded

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19221 @ 0.00086838 = 16.6911 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: the human condition is a major theme in artwork across the centuries.

ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves no it's not <<< it is for the market command it seems

mircea_popescu: omg what sloppy banishment is this

mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --market bitstamp

ThickAsThieves: dat syntax

mircea_popescu: ;;market sell 5000 --usd --market bitstamp

mike_c: ;;market sell --market bitstamp 5000

gribble: A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2665619.2280 USD and would take the last price down to 500.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 533.1238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds

taub: marketmaking in these chinese exchanges is too tough

mircea_popescu: o wait hah

taub: or not worth it

BingoBoingo: ;;market sell 25000

taub: too much competition

gribble: A market order to sell 25000 bitcoins right now would net 5136084.7808 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 205.4434 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0754 seconds

taub: don't lose money, but don't make any either

taub: just swapping btc back and forth for 0% fee

mircea_popescu: ;;market sell --market mtgox 25000

mircea_popescu: it is the default.

taub: yea

mircea_popescu: bs.

mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/oX8YkXt.png

herbijudlestoids: valentines day in aus already. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM

herbijudlestoids: gotta say, funniest vday on facebook iv ever seen, people are making good jokes

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00531947 = 0.5319 BTC [-] {3}

ThickAsThieves: does it involve Australian kisses?

herbijudlestoids: are Australian kisses something people overseas think we do but actually dont? :P

B007: ;;market sell 100000

gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7106160.6930 USD and would take the last price down to 2.6954 USD, resulting in an average price of 71.0616 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1413 seconds

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 213 @ 0.00083555 = 0.178 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: they are kisses "down under"

herbijudlestoids: ahha ThickAsThieves, this is one of the posts "Fuck roses, lick 'er cunt."

B007: ;;market sell 10000000

gribble: A market order to sell 10000000 bitcoins right now would net 7228836.5211 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0001 USD, resulting in an average price of 0.7229 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 34.2271 seconds

ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qjw8mfAV1r1slc5o1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: wasn't it "in the bush" ?

KRS-One: .bait

herbijudlestoids: also lots of people are saying happy Vladintines day, with pictures of putin being seductive, fucken hilarious

benkay: does namecoin work?

ThickAsThieves: supposedly they have a new browser plugin for it

ThickAsThieves: some PR about it today

benkay: as in does what ams said on tin?

B007: ;;market sell 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 0 bitcoins, for a total of 7229404.4576 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 123.7412 seconds

mircea_popescu: it sort-of works

herbijudlestoids: benkay: i thought there was an issue that broke it, but apparently its been fixed, so i assume so

KRS-One: ;;market buy .bait

gribble: Error: '.bait' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.

B007: ;;market sell 10

gribble: A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 3909.1550 USD and would take the last price down to 387.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 390.9155 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 158.0034 seconds

herbijudlestoids: B007: having fun there?

B007: wait where can i buy for 390

benkay: https://medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10/

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.071625 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {3}

KRS-One: mtgox ...go

benkay: ;;market sell KRS-One

gribble: Error: 'KRS-One' is not a valid non-negative floating point number.

KRS-One: cant afford meh

ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 1 kilo

Namworld: Oh fuckin bullshit

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves take you about three weeks.

ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --silkroad 1 kilo

ThickAsThieves: oh wait

Namworld: Yet again I can't do stuff not related to driving because they only take driver's license as a form of ID.

ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --silkroad 2 1 kilo

ThickAsThieves: ok ill stop

Namworld: Seriously...

B007: wait coinbase you can sell for 600

mircea_popescu: good idea.

B007: are mtgox buys not going though?

mircea_popescu: Namworld clearly you're a terrorist, because everyone drives

mircea_popescu: only the terrorists fly.

Namworld: Yes. Obviously. Planning to take over the world with my flying fortress that rains doom.

ThickAsThieves: Canada doesnt have an ID card that works just like license?

mircea_popescu: canada has something that works ?!

B007: canada is like mini usa

Namworld: No. Not in French Canada.

Namworld: And it's a canadian business. Photo ID or Driver's license - No passport or provincial health card.

benkay: a coupla chainsaws mebbe

B007: ;;market buy 10000

gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 6752680.8043 USD and would take the last price up to 949.2028 USD, resulting in an average price of 675.2681 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 56.0308 seconds

Namworld: I only have passport and health card available here.

benkay: a bicycle?

moiety: morning, muffins are atually in the process of being made finally! [kiwi/apple]

herbijudlestoids: moiety: how much do kiwis cost in scotland!

B007: I have a $50,000.00 USD sell limit; anybody wanna sell?

moiety: kiwis are so underrated

herbijudlestoids: moiety: we get em cheap here cos just across the pond from NZ

moiety: just using jam herbi, its the bestthing to use for muffins

herbijudlestoids: ah true

moiety: i love the NZ accent, i wonder if they all sound so cheeky

ThickAsThieves: kiwis are so so

moiety: i wonder if my muffins will turn out green, hope so

moiety: might make them blue, i have dye

ThickAsThieves: they will turn out acidic

bloctoc: B007 that's a question for bitcoin-otc this forum is exclusively for smart-ass commentary

benkay: polizei in america

B007: scary

Duffer1: r/Bad_cop_no_donut

B007: ;;market buy 100000

gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 31159.02 bitcoins, for a total of 594758785.7867 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 202.6239 seconds

herbijudlestoids: B007: just for the record, you know you can talk to gribble in /query right? :)

B007: yeah I should probably do that

moiety: ye of little faith ThickAsThieves

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1175 @ 0.0027757 = 3.2614 BTC [-] {8}

herbijudlestoids: benkay: yo that article is fucked right up.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12000 @ 0.00025694 = 3.0833 BTC [+] {7}

benkay: nah, right in line with predictions.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00275 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3}

Namworld: Can someone explain to me why CasinoBitcoin trades at 400 MONTHS of profits now? Keeps raising.

herbijudlestoids: benkay: true enough

benkay: did you hear about the kid who got sent away for more than just one night for getting sarcastic on the internet?

benkay: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2014-02-13/news/the-facebook-comment-that-ruined-a-life/full/

ozbot: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life - - News - Dallas - Dallas Observer

Duffer1: Namworld probably gambling on possible buyout price

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1946 @ 0.00025749 = 0.5011 BTC [+] {3}

herbijudlestoids: benkay: yea heard plenty of those stories

herbijudlestoids: holllyyyyy shitballs! YESSSSS

herbijudlestoids: i just got word

Duffer1: oh Namworld they acquired bit777 and peerbet

herbijudlestoids: my company landed the big customer we have been courting :)

herbijudlestoids: let the cash flowwwww

Duffer1: announced yesterday

moiety: i remember that benkay, ridiculous

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids wd.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 how much does one pay for one of the casinos ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14063 @ 0.00087096 = 12.2483 BTC [+] {2}

benkay: congrats herbi, we just fired a client.

benkay: let me know if you need ops support ;)

Duffer1: "Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. "

mircea_popescu: derp.

Duffer1: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: we got a buyout offer from a large company, now we can tell them to f off or value us at 10-20 times more

Duffer1: Updates tab has the announce

herbijudlestoids: this huge

benkay: us-pacific tz

mircea_popescu: lol ultraplay actually owned those shits ?!

mircea_popescu: this must be a misnomer.

mircea_popescu: "CasinoBitco.in (CBTC) was the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games along with a full Sportsbook. Operating successfully since May 2013"

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: how retarded do you have to be to claim first=anything in 2013 ?!

the20year1: i'm the first rentalstarter on bitcoin in 2013

mircea_popescu: "trong financials Bit777/Peerbet"

Duffer1: i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month

mircea_popescu: i wonder what the strong financials those'd be. undisclosed as is customary ?

mircea_popescu: the20year1 you may well be, actually.

the20year1: I don't know why Duffer1. They said they were listing at HL, and it took me from Jan 9th to Feb 7th to get listed.

the20year1: And that's with 10 days of them having lost our paperwork

Duffer1: cbtc financials: we took in the pooper but since we were so overvalued to begin with we used the remainder to buy the competition

mircea_popescu: http://gambleonlinewithbitcoin.com/blog/?p=65 ahahaha check out this nonsense

ozbot: CasinoBitco.in – Bitcoin Gambling Market Analysis | CasinoBitco.in | Bitcoin Gaming

Duffer1: took it*

benkay: how much of your ipo have you sold, the20year1?

mike_c: !t h rent

assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (1183 shares, 6.50650000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (30188 shares, 166.03400000 BTC)

the20year1: 48346 out of 78534

mike_c: assbot is lagged? he says 30188

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00491499 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5}

the20year1: So what, 39% or so of the first round has been sold

mircea_popescu: !jd

assbot: Just-Dice stat: 14272 BTC profit, 41.5k BTC invested, 630.69 mio bets, 5.00 mio BTC wagered

the20year1: I'm not sure how the calculate it, since we had shares from bitfunder that migrated

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0049143 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {2}

mike_c: some guy just dropped 1k btc on jd. it was a ride.

moiety: o.o

moiety: \o/ muffins turned out :D

ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> i'm shocked kenilworth still hasn't been listed, it's been a month <<< they probly cant afford the listing fees

benkay: who's responsible for keeping track of that?

ThickAsThieves: plus theyre a scam anyway

Vexual: i'm shocked asic hasn't told em off yet

benkay: hl?

Duffer1: i know lol that's why i'm surprised havelock hasn't fallen all over itself to list them

moiety: my muffins are not a scam, how dare you

ThickAsThieves: i believe!

benkay: it's kinda crazy there's nowhere you can point and be like "look: notional float adds up simply"

Duffer1: maybe kenilworth too greedy to share the spoils of their scam with havelock

ThickAsThieves: no kenilworth just didnt fool enough people to get any volume

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15738 @ 0.00087297 = 13.7388 BTC [+]

Vexual: but they got a new landcruiser

benkay: el oh el everything's a scam

benkay: i'm going for a slice of pizza

ThickAsThieves: is that what the call kangaroos now?

Duffer1: i'm pretty sure they got thousands

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1075 @ 0.00083462 = 0.8972 BTC [-] {5}

ThickAsThieves: cuz they got em from you?

Duffer1: they didn't get a satoshi from me

moiety: kangaroos are scary http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/60/b0/7f60b0704a735ea15ec0ca688cfd7f39.jpg

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00083402 = 0.2269 BTC [-] {2}

Vexual: landcruiser is rock where kangaroo is scissors

the20year1: i imagine they're like all sorts of real world IPOs, milk the capital till it's dry, move on

Vexual: ?

mircea_popescu: what, moiety's muffin is a scam ?!

moiety: FUD mircea_popescu!!

mircea_popescu: "fuck you doo" ?

Vexual: dont ill bust another gut

mircea_popescu: the20year1 like facebook, groupon, twitter etc ?

mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc

assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00012000 / 0.00020914 / 0.00025998 (246707 shares, 51.59604926 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015478 / 0.00025998 (1080713 shares, 167.27789495 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00012483 / 0.00025998 (2308771 shares, 288.19321627 BTC)

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3000000 * 0.00012483

gribble: 374.49

ThickAsThieves: facebook will let you choose special genders now

Vexual: so will aussie passports

moiety: no, the muffins are not a lie!

mircea_popescu: derp. the largest casino IN THE WORLD is worth less than pocket change

moiety: special genders?

mircea_popescu: yet it "Acquires" things and whatnot

Vexual: other

asciilifeform: http://nnsa.energy.gov/mediaroom/pressreleases/b61lep

ozbot: NNSA Reaches B61-12 Life Extension Program Milestone: First Full-System Mechanical Environment Test

moiety: retarded bi?

Vexual: necessity

asciilifeform: (but no pop! disappointment.)

ThickAsThieves: Havelock says CBTC market is 2034btc

mircea_popescu: wait! t\hey trade at a deep discount!

ThickAsThieves: it also says AM1 is 10899btc

ThickAsThieves: which is pretty funny

ThickAsThieves: cuz it'd be way higher, yet could never ever survive slippage

herbijudlestoids: 302 looks like its holding the lows on gox

herbijudlestoids: light activity ~400ish

Vexual: who cares about magic the gathering, whats atc doing?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00547192 = 0.5472 BTC [+] {4}

ThickAsThieves: i managed some coinbase buys at 550

herbijudlestoids: Vexual: currently im frustrating all of BingoBoingos attempts to get the price to read 700 :P

Vexual: you need some collateral mate?

mircea_popescu: omg aussie conspiraci

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00086822 = 18.0156 BTC [-] {4}

herbijudlestoids: nah plenty of ATC on hand, he can easily stop my efforts by continuing to fatten out the book

ThickAsThieves: aboriginal espionage

herbijudlestoids: actually looks quite nice now

mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids does that clarify the point, incidentally ?

the20year1: mircea_popescu: sort of. All these little tech startups suck their funding dry and then move on to 'the next big thing' and screw over some other institutional investor

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu?

moiety: how is ATC doing ThickAsThieves should i have a wallet by now?

ThickAsThieves: you dont need a wallet til you buy some

the20year1: For a few years my brother worked for one such tech startup, their stupidity was amazing

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

ThickAsThieves: so far ATC has seen lows of like 150sat to highs of 700

herbijudlestoids: moiety: get a wallet and i will send you one freshly mined ATC no strings attached!

herbijudlestoids: well..its 120 blocks old...

the20year1: Spent several million dollars on a rock band for pc where you used your keyboard. First week sales were a couple hundred dollars

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it had lows of like 125 fo sho

ThickAsThieves: word

mircea_popescu: the20year you mean like guitar hero ?

ThickAsThieves: i'd value it at about 1750sat

herbijudlestoids: lows were 110 yall.

the20year1: yeah mircea_popescu that too

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves get out of here, 10x doge ?

mircea_popescu: or is it 100x doge by now

ThickAsThieves: well doge has more coins

Vexual: how many more?

ThickAsThieves: tons

herbijudlestoids: only a few satoshis above doge

ThickAsThieves: cant compare just by mkt price

herbijudlestoids: can so :P

ThickAsThieves: probly how everyone else does...

mircea_popescu: srsly, why can't i

Vexual: noone knows, they moved the cap

moiety: that's really kind herbi, but it's ok, i could try and mine one myself... OH I got my vanity! but its all mixed case D:

ThickAsThieves: total supply of doge is listed at 50trilliom

mircea_popescu: actually atc book looks deeper than doge book

ThickAsThieves: n

ThickAsThieves: total supply of ATC is like 268m

herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i think bingo has been thickening it up while we argued earlier, cos i kept pinging his bids hehe

herbijudlestoids: looks good now i admit

ThickAsThieves: i'm in there too ;)

herbijudlestoids: yey

herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: regardless of the total supply, if i can go to market and get more satoshis per dogecoin (and i can, the liquidity is way better) then....

ThickAsThieves: lol these coins i bought on coinbase like an hour ago are +$70

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321699.msg5065312#msg5065312

mircea_popescu: derp. "i wasn't here so nothing happened"

ozbot: Is mcxNow trustful?

mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.msg5131910#msg5131910