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moiety: benkay: what have you done, im watching all these spider vids now
KRS-One: F'n cookie clicker.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008645 = 10.2876 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: moiety: 0-40W, there's an analogue knob.
mircea_popescu: so a palestinian jew, snowden and obama walk into a bar
mircea_popescu: and the bartender goes "what is this, a joke ?"
asciilifeform: moiety: 'when used as prescribed,' beam lives in the box.
mircea_popescu: moiety are you complaining it takes too long ?!
moiety: ah kk promise i'll stop with the laser interrogation now asciilifeform XD
moiety: mircea_popescu: no! seemed a lot shorter than the chipug one!
asciilifeform: moiety: these are fairly common, off-the-shelf widgets. you can buy them, ~1k usd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, you're basically bruteforcing the hash function
mircea_popescu: exactly like mining, takes time to find a block
benkay: mining, but with only the reward of a shiny address.
asciilifeform: if you often have occasion to make very fine cuts in thin materials.
moiety: i could find occasion asciilifeform
benkay: asciilifeform:
moiety: so i'm mining again.... look at me, I'm growing
asciilifeform: benkay: that'd be the 'adult' version.
ozbot: Start me up « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
asciilifeform: benkay: i'd love one, but where to put the truck-sized instrument.
moiety: meh build a house around it
mircea_popescu: build a pool around it
moiety: LOL i like this pidgin comic
mircea_popescu: then host mtv's annual "one thousand derpy chicks in bikinis doing the undulation-on-the-spot" thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00086362 = 9.8271 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: moiety: it'll go in my Mobile Oppression Palace (tm).
ozbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
benkay: back in my semi days i had major wood for the synova machines
asciilifeform: the bigger cutters tend to have circulating (vs. sealed) lasing gas, which is a royal bitch.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00086288 = 9.0318 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: perhaps some hero, somewhere, has fit one in a 30 m^2 flat, but not me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that rather than having a precision mounted, high power supercolimated laser to blind pilots half mile away at the cost of about a million or so
mircea_popescu: one could just as well fire an anti-tank missile.
asciilifeform: strela.
mircea_popescu: as far as my memory serves those things do customarily bridge a half mile gap
mircea_popescu: and they don't make armored airplanes just yet
asciilifeform: or 'strela-blok', the automatic/unmanned version.
moiety: lol naturally! perfect place asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: cost per shot is like what, 7k ?
asciilifeform: brilliant simplicity, unmanned aerial 'mine.'
asciilifeform: (more or less simply 'strela' with the seek-trigger taped down.)
mircea_popescu: moar like
asciilifeform: if the plane is in musket range, sure.
mircea_popescu: 1km
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 20 lbs, you can carry three.
asciilifeform: wire guide. you need a skilled user.
mircea_popescu: not as skilled as someone firing the laser.
benkay: thrust vectoring!
mircea_popescu: and besides... the plane is not as hard to hit as a barn
asciilifeform: no big feat of high tech, to break a defenseless flying bus.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: even if you miss it you got a good chance of downing it
asciilifeform: even a toy chopper in the intake might be problematic.
asciilifeform: as we will probably learn one day
mircea_popescu: throw pigeons at the pilot
asciilifeform: 'frozen goose test'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7648 @ 0.00086485 = 6.6144 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so where is the big scare about all the people with their ATM systems within 2 miles of airports ?
mircea_popescu: seems a lot more practical to fly a RC plane carring a load of cherry bombs into a plane than to aim laser pointers at the cockpit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14194 @ 0.00017699 = 2.5122 BTC [-] {5}
chetty: They are working on it, searching cars and stuff. Pretty soon no cars withing 2miles of airport (hmm bitbet fodder)
mircea_popescu: the strella-mounted segway
asciilifeform: toy chopper + several ir bolometers (as used in burglar alarms.)
asciilifeform: poor man's strela.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0008695 = 8.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: << waves at the NSA guy recording
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o wait. i remember now. strela was the only portion of iraq's revolutionary guard that actually did any damage whatsoever
mircea_popescu: there were what, a dozen or two planes lost to the... 5 batteries they had ?
benkay: better kill rate than the Boeing batteries...
ozbot: Reach for the sky Overzealous Heathrow security officials confiscate Toy Story cowboy Woody DOLL'S m
moiety: lol@dailymail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086339 = 7.8568 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: somebody make guncoin!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1292 @ 0.000475 = 0.6137 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wow yeah, no ammocoin ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00086725 = 33.4759 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: lolol i love scotland
benkay: you live in scotland, i gather moiety?
moiety: yep benkay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00086745 = 7.4167 BTC [+]
moiety: i can send you some really nice whiskey lol
ozbot: Sophisticated but low-tech power grid attack baffles authorities -
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
benkay: pleaes do
mircea_popescu: they be hiring armed guards soon
benkay: ah good the privitization of the North American polizei will begin shortly
mircea_popescu: helps the economy anyway
mircea_popescu: if 100 mn people shuffle paper, 100mn people prop rifles guarding them and the rest do laundry, moccacinos and babysitting for the other two groups
mircea_popescu: the dollar can go but up up up.
mircea_popescu: " The FBI is still working the case, and agents say they are confident it was not the work of terrorists.
mircea_popescu: What they do not have is a motive, fingerprints or suspects."
mircea_popescu: here's a free theory : silicon valley entertains these delusions of fighting the bitcoin republic.
mircea_popescu: i hope i'm not too late for the theory parade.
benkay: implying these were bitterrists?
mircea_popescu: not implying anything at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00086271 = 3.657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: merely observing that if the us holds no bitcoin, the continued existence of the us is of no further importance.
mircea_popescu: wanna-be leaders are playing with their own future and that's about all.
benkay: eh
benkay: the smart ones are long
benkay: all local power structures are in for a serious shakeup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017445 = 0.157 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: power grid shenanigan is old news. pinged you when it went public.
moiety: that gold crackhead actually broke imgur. still cant get it to load...and i never even saw her!
mircea_popescu: certainly, old news.
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe it's banned in your country ?
asciilifeform: either an 'own goal' (the finest security theatre) or a 'floor model.'
moiety: i usually use it.... must be the crack element
asciilifeform: given the almost total lack of english-language news coverage of the event, probably #2.
asciilifeform: like that chinese rocket test off the CA coast.
asciilifeform: it's a horse head on a pillow. demo.
asciilifeform: that, or GRU lives, and it's #1 beautifully masquerading as #2.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086 = 3.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: nobody's gassing anybody dood. the times when men were men and stuff happened are long gone.
mircea_popescu: now the downside of dumping the entire bulk of us secrets on the open market is... well... you won't get any ice in your soda. THATLL TEACH YOU!
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how kramer removed the dessicant packets from some store.
mircea_popescu: so sony bonds are now junk
mircea_popescu: who'd have thought this, sony, the king&queen of foundries, the master of entertainment
moiety: [imgur worked]
benkay: link?
mircea_popescu: ;;later mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In the coming decades there will probably be some "Japanese Syndrome" appearing in scholarly paper supposing something or another explains Sony. I doubt it will get to the root cause which is the Japanese fucking drought.
moiety: oh dear god whats wrong with her face
mircea_popescu: and a book value per share of roughly twice the share price. incredible.
mircea_popescu: moiety cocksucking does that eventually.
moiety: i think my laptop was trying to protect me by blocking imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0694 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: it's goldmember
cazalla: hish farja
mircea_popescu: cazalla has it lol. bitcoin floundation gold member.
moiety: lol!
moiety: what's happened with BTCe? 40k?
moiety: they've said they aren't covering it
mircea_popescu: derp security model : why use gpg keys ? use emails instead!
mircea_popescu: just as good...
Duffer1: top comment "I dont recommend anyone to hold their money in one exchange but 3 different"
moiety: thank you mircea_popescu
Duffer1: moiety 40k?
moiety: they are saying they have been hacked to the tune of 40,000btc
Duffer1: where are they saying this?
moiety: oh wait, im getting told from someone else. the wallet the alleged hacker has, has 40k in it
Duffer1: ah
moiety: that's what i hated most about being scammed. i could see where it went and couldn't do anything about it
Duffer1: how much did you get taken for?
moiety: 1.6 btc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you busy ?
Duffer1: sucks man, sorry to hear it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For some definitions, but not especially busy.
cazalla: 1.6 isn't too bad
benkay: you got off light, moiety.
mircea_popescu: how about making a complete collection of satoshi's letters to the various email lists ?
mircea_popescu: ima adnotate and publish that bitch
moiety: thanks guys. oh i know that benkay, thing was, it wasn't my BTC
benkay: ka-yikes.
moiety: and its a lot when you don't have it to replace instantly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why not? Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as trying to get a useful transcript out of that NYDFS abortion.
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have a timeline in mind?
cazalla: moiety: so you lost it recently?
mircea_popescu: not particularly.
mircea_popescu: ideally before i forget.
BingoBoingo: I'll try to get them together within a week or two.
moiety: lol nooo cazalla this is what makes it even worse! It was when they were like around $1k!
BingoBoingo: Have no idea how many there actually are
moiety: will *not* happen to me again though! tell yous that!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bout a mb
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest mb.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Any good ideas where to begin looking? I know the early ones are on the cryptography mailing list.
moiety: BingoBoingo: i know you said to do this months ago too.... but im vanitying as we speak! :)
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'd be my idea
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here's the Cryptography mailing list emails:
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you reduce the search to "satoshi" you find 2x as many hits
mircea_popescu: also worth googling by emails etc.
benkay: don't forget, BingoBoingo;u=3;sa=showPosts
BingoBoingo: Oh, particularly relevant to the current GOx trouble:
mircea_popescu: lol benkay is a zombie
mircea_popescu: wishes to spread his blessings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00085948 = 16.288 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: also relevant to things
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the one thing of course is that there was that guy earlier declaring he hs proof satoshi = nick szabo on the grounds of linguistic analysis
benkay: "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale"
mircea_popescu: can't hurt to compare your eventual set with his.
mircea_popescu: nothing ever scales until it does.
BingoBoingo: Ok, so the pre- November 22nd, 2009 forum is gone from sourceforge.
mircea_popescu: interesting how that works huh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.05877025 = 2.1745 BTC [+] {8}
BingoBoingo: The internet is better at forgetting than people give it credit for.
midnightmagic: It's not gone, there are copies.
benkay: midnightmagic: it'd be a blessing to history if you'd help track one down.
midnightmagic: benkay: I agree. :-( The complete collected writing of Satoshi I think would provide incredible insight overall just as simple reading material. Unfortunately since bitcointalk edits history enormously, the history will likely never be complete.
benkay: *shrug*
benkay: something's better than nothing!
midnightmagic: I agree.
benkay: ha shit so in this case bitbet could be used as a bounty system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332 @ 0.00086045 = 0.2857 BTC [+]
benkay: "archives of pre 2009 will be posted for public consumption by thus and such a date"
benkay: 10btc on no
benkay: anyone with a copy of the forum can post 0.1 on yes, post the copies and claim the reward.
mircea_popescu: or even without the copy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima see you all later. don't break anything
moiety: cheerio! i can't promise..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: My dreamgirl.
moiety: she doesnt look real dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00086476 = 14.4415 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: ;;later tell benkay neither! I take it back!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04770007 = 0.5724 BTC [-] {4}
moiety: ;;later tell benkay wrong again, but i know now :P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086591 = 9.7848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086402 = 9.1586 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.07792113 = 2.4935 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00086398 = 4.8694 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086415 = 4.7528 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: lolz
ozbot: Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086415 = 2.3764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00198459 = 0.3969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086415 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00016951 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00086605 = 0.5196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000107 = 1.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15510 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3996 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.080007 = 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1262 @ 0.000107 = 0.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 13000 @ 0.000105 = 1.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00086605 = 4.1137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086672 = 10.834 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086675 = 0.3034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086798 = 5.9023 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.08 = 1.92 BTC [-]
jurov: benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D
kakobrekla: ;;seen cmyers
gribble: I have not seen cmyers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086809 = 6.0766 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04896988 = 0.1959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04896988 = 0.4407 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.080007 = 4.0004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04896988 = 0.2448 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086804 = 4.7742 BTC [-]
KRS-One: Did jew guys see this? McCaleb is back-
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: fail
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: wtf she has dirty man feet
KRS-One: I vote 'A', Bitcorn.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086768 = 7.6356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00086812 = 17.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086867 = 10.6412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5467 @ 0.00086934 = 4.7527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00086764 = 12.3613 BTC [-] {2}
usaoscoin: KRS-One: that last one is not very hot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00086724 = 16.9918 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086934 = 13.3009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086665 = 11.0065 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086329 = 3.4532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52002001 = 1.04 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: .Q GRIBBLE
KRS-One: usaoscoin: yeah and I have a thing about females having man hands or man feet. Don't blame me if you begin to notice this more =D
KRS-One: Ever see a girl with a man-ass?
usaoscoin: I was talking about
kakobrekla: you know we ar eopen you here, you can just say you like men KRS-One
kakobrekla: and we understand you are using .bait excessively to help cover for it
ThickAsThieves: "Crowd gathers to welcome man who says he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, surviving on fish and turtle blood."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0056871 = 0.3697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00086345 = 7.1407 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04668543 = 0.8403 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00086329 = 11.1364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00086591 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}
btc-monkey: !ticker havelock am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.49550000 / 0.52362164 / 0.57900200 (178 shares, 93.20465206 BTC), 7D: 0.49000000 / 0.53917608 / 0.61000000 (898 shares, 484.18012358 BTC), 30D: 0.34000000 / 0.53484515 / 0.74500000 (4452 shares, 2381.13062938 BTC)
btc-monkey: !last h am1
assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.52002001 BTC [-]
KRS-One: kakobrekla: I'll hold off on the feminine European jokes and just say I have more hetero-juice in my chesthairs then I really need =D
KRS-One: you don't see man-feet in that last pic?
ThickAsThieves: you prefer men finish on your chest?
KRS-One: lmao
KRS-One: gross
ThickAsThieves: you said it not me
KRS-One: yes..i did lol
KRS-One: foot->mouth
ThickAsThieves: also a foot fetish?
KRS-One: no way
KRS-One: read: man-feet above
KRS-One: this needs a bait moment
KRS-One: .bait
ThickAsThieves: throw her back!
KRS-One: haha! she's a good catch
KRS-One: hey did you see this site?
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: i linked it a day or two ago
KRS-One: oh my bad
ThickAsThieves: how dare you!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: interesting who created it
ThickAsThieves: and that he's saying so
KRS-One: yea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
KRS-One: how do i search the #bitcoin-assets log? Just do a google search?
deadweasel: seems like the way, if you can't grep your own logs
KRS-One: when im not connected to IRC i'm not logging irc.
KRS-One: Heh this is funny:
KRS-One: Maybe we should send MtGox some new bounce balls to sit on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i'm pretty sure they capable of fucking themselves w/o our help.
deadweasel: or with the elp of a dildo/yoga ball
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086329 = 12.0861 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00535987 = 0.5253 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00530421 = 0.1963 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7917 @ 0.00086717 = 6.8654 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086741 = 6.9393 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" // mircea may have some insights on that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10748 @ 0.00086461 = 9.2928 BTC [-]
jurov: o, he's expert on romanian orphanages?
ThickAsThieves: jurov you pm'd me?
jurov: yes, you did not receive anything?
ThickAsThieves: just "hello"
jurov: i'll retry without otr
jurov: got it now?
jurov: D:
Apocalyptic: jurov, well that's where he picks up the chicks right ?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: still nothing? i see everything you pm me
ThickAsThieves: "Has anyone thought about holding a decentralized conference as well? "
mike_c: i guess he hasn't heard of this channel.
jurov: bitcoin-assets : the longest ongoing bitcoin conference
ThickAsThieves: what's next, Has anyone considering decentralizing love?
jurov: yes
jurov: it's called polyamory
ThickAsThieves: i suppose
ThickAsThieves: requires using the blockchain somehow
pankkake: and what's decentralized sex
ThickAsThieves: ozbot
jurov: how to decentralize glory holes ?
pankkake: so basically decentralized is masturbation. seems consistent
ThickAsThieves: it's a lot of people doing alone, what they could be doing together
ThickAsThieves: anywho
ThickAsThieves: "The journey is over for China's moon rover. China's state news agency is reporting today that the country's space agency has not been able to restore function to the Jade Rabbit rover"
asciilifeform: one could imagine a 'decentralized conference'. send ascii chars as low-bytes of TX to addr A.
ThickAsThieves: shoulda decentralized it
asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi.
asciilifeform: all the bums/beggars would be gone...
asciilifeform: it would be a little slow. perhaps more like mailing list than irc.
benkay: now imagine if emails cost a few satoshi.
ThickAsThieves: would be awesome
asciilifeform: this is quite easy to build
asciilifeform: anyone can do it.
asciilifeform: trick is - getting your phriends to use it.
asciilifeform: would certainly encourage terseness.
pankkake: actually, that's one of the earliest proof of work ideas.
ThickAsThieves: then drivel communications could be left for facebook etc
asciilifeform: pankkake: correct.
asciilifeform: the server (if one may call it that) could even be programmed to return coin to the sending addr every now and then
asciilifeform: except, obviously, for folks who are kicked out of the 'channel' in disgrace
asciilifeform: (e.g. spammers)
asciilifeform: blockchain then becomes the log.
pankkake: I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website
asciilifeform: and no need for gribble
asciilifeform: (everybody's handle is their addr)
asciilifeform: anyone with a btc node could be the 'server.'
ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website ---- this falls under same premise as me wanting the WoT to be user/service friendly
benkay: wot apps are not hard
benkay: "i am user thus and such"
benkay: emit gpg challenge
ThickAsThieves: make like Wotsy or whatever, and use it for auth all over the web
Apocalyptic: "Wotsy" horrible name
Apocalyptic: it's like OpenID
ThickAsThieves: Apocalypticsy then
benkay: receive and process response to challenge, return "yes" or "no" to service who's curious about a particular login
pankkake: eh, a few months ago, I was looking for something to write, and a guy told me "make otc user friendly"
benkay: your barrier is still the GPG part. no amout of user-friendliness is going to get past the challenges most internet users will have with gpg authentication.
pankkake: but things like openpgpjs are not secure
asciilifeform: luser-friendly -> user-hostile.
asciilifeform: as observed by MP and others.
pankkake: creates a false sense of security at least
ThickAsThieves: just use bitcoin wallet signing then
Apocalyptic: that's even worse
ThickAsThieves: then i leave these things to people that know better
pankkake: yes, why not. but it's not especially friendlier, you have to copy paste etc.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: I was thinking of generating GPG contracts for trades etc., the whole thing
Apocalyptic: i never really got why gribble allows a btc-address based identiy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086565 = 10.9938 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: why shouldnt it?
pankkake: it's just less practical for authentication, GPG keys are much more flexible and secure especially if you use multiple computers
Apocalyptic: why would people use that whereas there is a GPG identity system based exactly for that purpose, much older and wider spread
pankkake: you can only use subkeys for example
Apocalyptic: pankkake probably said it better than me
pankkake: supports revocation, too. basically bitcoin signatures are "lower level", you have a public/private key and that's it
Apocalyptic: to me it comes unatural to use btc-privkey for auth purposes
ThickAsThieves: lower level, seems user friendlier
benkay: just because there's a keypair in there doesn't mean one should use it.
ThickAsThieves: does it mean they shouldnt though?
benkay: "we need a feature!" strikes again.
pankkake: you can use it, there's just no advantage in using it
benkay: from an opsec perspective, many disadvantages.
pankkake: and you're stuck with that priv/pub key forever
benkay: the answer to your question is yes, ThickAsThieves.
benkay: btc keypairs are ephemeral. gpg has a whole toolchain around the use-cases for crypto that have, you know, actually been thought through.
benkay: maybe poorly, but nowhere near as poorly as those in the wild for btc message signing.
benkay: what about btc-key based decryption of messages? do we have this yet? i've never looked for the functionality.
pankkake: bitcoin's encryption choices come from the need to have small outputs too, gpg doesn't and can thus do a lot of other things
Apocalyptic: indeed
ThickAsThieves: ive only used either for the same purposes mostly
ThickAsThieves: verification of a message or identity
ThickAsThieves: decryption*
ThickAsThieves: i'm not arguing against what you say
ThickAsThieves: just saying btc message signing has worked just fine for me
ThickAsThieves: so has gpg
ThickAsThieves: gpg to the infrequent user is a little more tedious
pankkake: another feature is signing other's keys. basically, serves as identity verification
pankkake: well actually you don't sign the key, you sign an identity (name+mail usually)
btc-monkey: !last h am1
assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.5499999 BTC [+]
benkay: operational security is one of those things that can be done entirely incorrectly and feel so right to the end-user.
benkay: this is one of the reasons I want a cardano.
jurov: nekay, gpg key is no less ephemeral than bitcoin
jurov: *benkay
benkay: jurov: that's a little pedantic, neh?
benkay: fully granted that they're both just bits on disk.
jurov: either you backup it and risk it will leak (or that you forget the passphrase)
jurov: or you don't backup
Apocalyptic: jurov, he didn't meant ephemeral in that way
benkay: but btc addresses are generated and thrown away regularly in the satoshi client.
jurov: and will lose it anyway
jurov: orly? afaik they ware never wiped out from the wallet
benkay: a gpg keypair is meant to endure through many many uses.
jurov: *are never
benkay: not "wiped" no but one can exceed the 100 pregenerated addresses
jurov: whaaaa?
benkay: iirc, wallets are written to disk with the next hundred receipt addresses
benkay: (upon generation)
Apocalyptic: a wallet can have more than 100 adresses
jurov: of course it's not limited, just increase the pool and it refills
Apocalyptic: and the "100" figure is just the default keypoolsize
jurov: automatically
Apocalyptic: you can change it at will
benkay: if you "ask" the client for more than that number of receipt addresses, your old backups become stale.
jurov: i have seen 120MB wallet in the wild, did not count how many addies
nubbins`: so, everyone enjoying sochi?
benkay: sure
benkay: kinda makes my point for me
benkay: addresses are spun up routinely. gpg keys should be treated differently.
jurov: ah so. but it's the same with pgp. if you swet expiry date as they recommend
jurov: *set
jurov: and don't backup after you have prolonged it
jurov: then it ends the same
jurov: all in all, i don't see any substantial difference
benkay: pedantry later
benkay: client meeting. api vendor wrangling.
jurov: btw, use electrum then. one passphrase forever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00086546 = 3.0291 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: just got a forum PM for a guy looking to do a face-to-face casascius-for-cash trade
nubbins`: that's a first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00086648 = 11.1343 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: terrorist probly
nubbins`: "i can probably find someone to meet you in most major cities. other than quebec."
nubbins`: •ﺑ•
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086725 = 10.5805 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07252498 = 0.7252 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.073795 = 0.5904 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07399555 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.43596731 BTC to 1`497 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00086385 = 12.6554 BTC [-] {2}
lysobit: assbot!
assbot: :*
lysobit: that was underwhelming
kakobrekla: you must be new?
lysobit: yes
kakobrekla: welcome
lysobit: thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 25086 @ 0.000105 = 2.634 BTC [-]
freztek: he only came in here to shout assbot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008681 = 2.6043 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086828 = 13.5886 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: sup mjr_
kakobrekla: bye mjr_
Whoopziedaisy_: howdy yall!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086637 = 1.4728 BTC [-]
ozbot: Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00086516 = 3.6769 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay so what is that ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086854 = 1.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086862 = 6.8621 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.07388095 = 1.5515 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8473 @ 0.00086939 = 7.3663 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" << wait, WHAT ?!
mircea_popescu: no.fucking.wai.
mircea_popescu: jurov: it's called polyamory << don't be silly, that's not decentralised love, that's just love without arbitrary barriers to entry.
mircea_popescu: love is always centralised by its nature.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. << eventually the chan will work like mpex, +m and it costs w/e to have voice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the object of the (gedanken)experiment, yes.
mircea_popescu: i made trilema +m at some point in 2012 when i was sick of the romanians' drivel
mircea_popescu: has worked admirably so far.
mircea_popescu: before that, it was doing 5k lines a day or some shit
asciilifeform: you'd 'log in' once, by sending a tx with some specified value to 'A' (addr of 'channel') and two others, say, X and Y. low byte of every tx value X->Y is a payload byte.
asciilifeform: 'recycle' the coin by moving from Y->X when some time passes (to minimize fee.)
ozbot: O luna de #trilema, prin ochii lu’ gribble pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: X and Y become your 'handle'
mircea_popescu: no wait i was wrong, it did 60k lines in a month. so about like this thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform experimentally, you don't need that much code because not that many people will be paying anyway.
asciilifeform: this would require very little code.
asciilifeform: authentication is 'automatic', in the sense that only an addr's owner can send from it.
mircea_popescu: even so. you can just make it "donate 0.10000586" btc to #freenode's btc addy
asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)
mircea_popescu: and that's all
asciilifeform: you can easily dispense with 'Y' if you're ok with an 'expensive' channel.
deadweasel: freenode doesn't take donations anymore, iirc
asciilifeform: then you get 'mailcoin' (or call it what you like)
ThickAsThieves: Klout, controversial service that measured online 'influence,' reportedly being acquired for $100 million
ThickAsThieves: at least it wasnt a billion...
ozbot: Bye bye PDPC | staffblog
deadweasel: in fact, mp, why not start your own IRCnet? Then you could throttle everything at will.
deadweasel: :P
pankkake: irc networks are like standards
asciilifeform: in the proposed experiment, you get a whole bunch of problems solved 'for free', without moving parts
asciilifeform: the people who like decentralization get that
asciilifeform: spam and beggars vanish
asciilifeform: authentication is automagical, etc.
asciilifeform: and it would all fit in a page or so of your favourite prog. language.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel which explains why we're not doing i tyet :D
mircea_popescu: it's a good reserve power anyway, if we ever need to make our own irc network.
mircea_popescu: afaik they haven't yet decided whether they wish to have a future as the irc network where bitcoin happens or would rather not have any future at all.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd seems probable in some estimations, and so we wait.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12221002 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (i personally don't think so, fwiw)
deadweasel: yea, those decisions tend to make themselves, in time.
asciilifeform: invent parachute before, not after, being thrown.
mircea_popescu: jurov: automatically << fie upon that word. think of it, gpg keypairs are not generated "automatically"
mircea_popescu: they take time
mircea_popescu: how sucky tech gpg has huh.
asciilifeform: 99% of the delay is /dev/random.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !b the deadweasel-asciilifeform theorem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey assbot is pming me dirty messages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221002 BTC [-]
ozbot: crisader comments on The REAL Altcoin
mircea_popescu: ehehe. reddit doesn't get things.
mircea_popescu: WHY IS IT SO!!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's actually a decent brand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 36 @ 0.19376446 = 6.9755 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: hence why i bought them. yet old brain detritus dies hard.
asciilifeform: (more things ought to have scuttling valves!)
mircea_popescu: i could see sexually frustrated feminists proposing penis scuttle valves
asciilifeform: one twist, poor thing goes to the bottom of the sea?
mircea_popescu: just depressurizes
mircea_popescu: course the serious rapists would just start carrying strap-ons, but what's a feminist to know of economy
mircea_popescu: she's a commie by default.
asciilifeform: (cards, as you can probably guess, are for the mainboard breadboard...)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00086939 = 8.9026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10339 @ 0.00086994 = 8.9943 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: diametric you about ?
asciilifeform: a kingston, for the navally-noobish:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087026 = 13.6631 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Big Idea 2014: Predictions from PayPal | LinkedIn
ThickAsThieves: 4. Bitcoin will continue to gain ground (but not as a currency)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
asciilifeform: not as a currency << as a coffee warmer?
mircea_popescu: it never was a "currency" to begin with.
mircea_popescu: some currencies out there are a bitcoin, if a very primitive sort and for short intervals.
Duffer1: 4. we're crapping our pants over here, please don't do to us what netflix did to blockbuster
ThickAsThieves: full text for the item is "Bitcoin will continue to attract more people as a store of value and a speculative investment asset. I predict that the value of Bitcoin still has the potential to double by the same time next year. But I believe it will have a hard time becoming mainstream as a currency, due to its expected continued volatility amidst regulation authorities and governments
ThickAsThieves: figuring out what to make of the cryptocurrency."
mircea_popescu: give the man a cookie. who is this ?
asciilifeform: paypal fuhrer?
Duffer1: president of paypal
Duffer1: david marcus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0818 = 0.3272 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so gavin is seriously saying "follow us @BTCFoundation " ?
mircea_popescu: is the man stupid or something ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 seems smart enough. i don't recall the last time a large fiat corp had a smart ceo.
Duffer1: is he smart enough to be worried is the question
asciilifeform: s/Bitcoin/usd/;s/double/half/
asciilifeform: s/becoming/remaining/
mircea_popescu: if anyone has a reference client they're not running atm, or space to run one : please do so.
mircea_popescu: all these idiots with their web bs are caught in a cloud of pseudotx relying
mircea_popescu: reference clients can cut it down quite easily, but apparently there's not actually that many
asciilifeform: classic bitcoind?
asciilifeform: how many, i wonder, are running
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: and from what i see ~1k
asciilifeform: woah
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: 3 are mine
asciilifeform: thought these were a dime-a-dozen
asciilifeform: for some reason
mircea_popescu: well, 10 dimes in a dolla.
mircea_popescu: but no, originally there were ~60k as a high point cca 2011
asciilifeform: brotha can ye spare a dime/node
mircea_popescu: it's been going down steadily ever since.
mircea_popescu: which is quite a problem, really.
asciilifeform: proliferation of castrato 'wallets,' yeah.
mircea_popescu: myea.
mircea_popescu: beause people want stuff tio be "easier".
mircea_popescu: what, they're part of bitcoin now ? cool! so where's bitcoin supermarket ?
asciilifeform: used to be that mr. luser had to bite the bullet and delete a pron or two, download the blocks.
mircea_popescu: where's bitcoin credit card ?
mircea_popescu: where's bitcoin government ?
mircea_popescu: (togive them bitcoins on their bitcoin card to buy stuff in the bitcoin supermarket)
asciilifeform: using btpension from btgov ?
asciilifeform: good gift for these folks: a rubber hose. with mouthpiece and arsepiece on the respective ends.
asciilifeform: 'New!1! Eat For Free!'
mircea_popescu: it's not easy to insert.
ozbot: Massive DDoS Attack Leveraged Network Timing Protocol: CloudFlare
mircea_popescu: still with this ?
mircea_popescu: cloudflare has been rehashing this story about every 3 months.
mircea_popescu: a) no cloudflare "customer" was ever protected by cloudflare of a "400 gpbs" attac
mircea_popescu: b) overall, the sum total of network time the cloudflare "customers" lost owing to cloudflare being a pos exceeds by degree of magnitude any mitigated "attacks"
asciilifeform: speaking of turdcraft, for anyone who missed it:
mircea_popescu: this is not even going into the CA spoofing bs they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086862 = 4.3431 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.0818 = 0.6544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087036 = 4.9611 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the massive derpage going on retardtalk, retarddit etc etc re spam txn really shows just how the population has changed.
mircea_popescu: i think bitcoin average has lost 20 points of iq over the past 2 years.
mircea_popescu: we've gone from "people could generally write a c compiler" to "people could not generally write hello world"
ThickAsThieves: sad considering this is the post-silk road wave
mircea_popescu: apparently drug use and intelligence don't correlate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7627 @ 0.00087036 = 6.6382 BTC [+]
jurov: people could generally write a c compiler? that was average 2yrs ago?
jurov: on trolltalk?
mircea_popescu: well ok ok im forcing a point.
jurov: :D
ThickAsThieves: we're just decentralizing the IQ points
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now everyone can has one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: anybody here care to recommend a 3840x2160 display?
asciilifeform: (or greater)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: budget psyop. are they down to hiring nigerian spam translators now?
asciilifeform: or is someone actually this... orgasmically stupid?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seeing how it discusses law enforcement, one'd expect everyone involved to be organically this stupid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: after all the easier solution to not knowing something is to assume, not to find out.
asciilifeform: so presumably this was written from a jail. which one? where?
mircea_popescu: (course the even easier solution is to just not not know in the first place0
mircea_popescu: nah, they don't put people in jail anymore.
mircea_popescu: they just add those dog collars or w/e
mircea_popescu: what's the point of putting them in jail when they're already living in one anyway
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the actual appearance of the collars-with-detonators, familiar to all '90s cheap sf fans.
mircea_popescu: like ?
asciilifeform: nah, those exist
ozbot: Wedlock (1991) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha rutget hauer wat
mircea_popescu: anyway, those muppets really should have their own movie. just think :
mircea_popescu: highschool drop-out that's been working for 30 years as a pizza delivery boy
mircea_popescu: so lovable mentally retarded character
mircea_popescu: gets trapped in a plot between some ugly broad who thinks herself important and some really weird character
asciilifeform: yeah they did that one later.
mircea_popescu: to rob a bank via bomb device with artsy cane gun, so as to have enough funds to pay for the weird character's murder of the woman;s father
mircea_popescu: in order for her to inherit him
mircea_popescu: except the father is bankrupt and the bank is some shitty us venue with ~1500 dollars in cash on the premises.
mircea_popescu: it's epic, odysseus has nothing on this.
asciilifeform: on top of u.s. psot office btc,
ozbot: Post Office Plan May Revolutionize the Financial Lives of the Unbanked - DailyFinance
asciilifeform: nationalized 'check cashing' shops.
mircea_popescu: it is a major racket, that
mircea_popescu: mostly because well... cash is king.
asciilifeform: they have 'payday loans' built in, too.
ThickAsThieves: doge will take it where it can get it
ozbot: pivots again to become a Dogecoin supporter | The Verge
pankkake: selling emails didn't work? eh.
dub: wow
pankkake: much gape
Duffer1: lol :(
pankkake: I remember they offered emails but I thought it was too expensive for the novelty
jurov: only for srs bsns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086872 = 15.5501 BTC [-] {2}
davout: this is awsome
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the funny thing of an advertising ponzi is that well... they keep burning the stuff.
davout: わいい
mircea_popescu: eventually they'll have to either fold or go for superbowl ads
davout: s/わいい/かわいい/
deadweasel: I was raised in a check cashing company.
deadweasel: I was cashing checks behind 2 inch glass when I was 14.
deadweasel: good times.
deadweasel: better racket: Lease-buy-backs.
deadweasel: 300% interest, but no! it's a lease fee!
deadweasel: and that's how I was able to afford college (which was mostly useless)
mircea_popescu: so you got scammed out of the money you scammed out of idiots, pretty much ?
jcpham: bam
jcpham: lol @ goatse @ dogecoin
jcpham: HUGE boost in legitimacy for doge
mircea_popescu: totally.
davout: if you read the comments there's the fiverr ad for the actor down there
davout: (in TAT's link)
mike_c: i love fiverr. great for gag gifts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00087036 = 10.695 BTC [+]
ozbot: dpaste: #1610447
mircea_popescu: that may contribute to the daily lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
mircea_popescu: right in there with the strippers know better than to accept free btc from strangers.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what would average joe do if someone made an ipad app counting all the money he's lost each day over being a total derp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087036 = 6.3536 BTC [+]
benkay: not install it?
mircea_popescu: i doubt he could do that.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the fact any apps are installed at all becomes inexplicable
mircea_popescu: at least this'd be useful.
benkay: no dopamine hit, no install.
mircea_popescu: oic. perhaps you got a point there.
benkay: hey that's two in as many days
mircea_popescu: obviously the pills are working :D
benkay: how are you drugging me from romania?
mircea_popescu: not me, babyface.
benkay: who put the pills in my cookie jar?
benkay: m.p.?
benkay: couldn't be.
benkay: then who?
mircea_popescu: who let teh dogs out
benkay: who let the doge out
mike_c: whoa, what do you want to advertise that would mean buying out tpb? that's probably 300 btc a month.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i'm just doing it to piss off the gfy community
mircea_popescu: exoclick is their baby
mike_c: hehe, i don't know what gfy is, but doing that just to piss someone off is great :)
mircea_popescu: ;;google gfy
gribble: Urban Dictionary: gfy: <>; The Go Fuck Yourself Home Page - Amish Rake Fight: <>; Go Fug Yourself: Because Fugly Is The New Pretty: <>
mircea_popescu: ;;google xbiz
gribble: XBIZ | Adult Industry News | Adult Webmaster Resources: <>; XBIZ™ (XBIZ) on Twitter: <>; XBIZ 360 - January 22-25, 2014: <>
punkman: exoclick specializes in matching shitty traffic to shitty ads
benkay: man i want to sell software to porn companies
benkay: pay me in trade baby
mircea_popescu: benkay they're destitute.
KRS-One: I want to scam nigerians.
benkay: so i gather :(
mircea_popescu: they used to be raking in the dough, cca 1993.
benkay: man
mircea_popescu: BACK THEN making a thumbnail autogallery could well be 50k in fees and free passes for everywhere
deadweasel: back when VHS purchases existed
benkay: the integral of the porn production curve is a SHITLOAD OF PORN
benkay: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
benkay: mine's better.
KRS-One: benkay's is way better i want her
benkay: yeah too bad content delivery is totes a solved thing
KRS-One: you guys saw the new mt.gox bouncie balls right =D\
benkay: bitcoin payments to the world's largest fuck-your-copyright stash of porn is a cool thing to build
benkay: :(
KRS-One: eww mircea, really?
benkay: so sad
mircea_popescu: mwahaha
benkay: much no
benkay: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4659 @ 0.00087064 = 4.0563 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: whoa holy shit, the gfy forum comes in 10th for gfy ?!?!
KRS-One: I need a bait now.
mircea_popescu: jesus they dropped.
mircea_popescu: anyway mike_c‎
mircea_popescu: the retardstalk from before bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the original.
mike_c: looks like they are on top of things
ozbot: What is Bitcoin? - - Adult Webmaster Forum
kakobrekla: lolz:
ozbot: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Crypto Street For Sale
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what's crypto street again ?
kakobrekla: an exchange, supposedly
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're mostly adults, and the backbone has been sifted through ~20 years into some semblance of sanity.
mircea_popescu: which is why their forum has lived to 18mn posts of retarded nonsense.
kakobrekla: the intro post from april 2013
ozbot: [ANN] Crypto.St - The one exchange to rule them all
mircea_popescu: so i guess the yet-another-one exchange "to rule them all" has managed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14626 @ 0.00087065 = 12.7341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: zomg
kakobrekla: from cognitive thread > I vote for Kakobrekla, He seems highly interested in this company and I bet he will tell us every thing that is wrong with it supper fast so we/he can fix it.
kakobrekla: wrong way dude.
Apocalyptic: heh, kako the ponzi fixer
mike_c: watch out kako, votes on the forum are binding. you're going to have a new job before you know it.
kakobrekla: imma gonna stop posting at this rate!
mircea_popescu: "here is some stupid shit we did back when you were telling us better and we were all smug and thought we knew better"
mircea_popescu: "we now vote for you to fix it"
mircea_popescu: these disgusting meatbags actually imagine the entire world is their dysfunctional fambly.
kakobrekla: buncha lolz
mircea_popescu: at least around these parts what you say to the unhousebroken kiddios is "they ain't the house of your stupid mother"
mircea_popescu: i gather it's not commonly said in the us.
diametric: mircea_popescu: i am now, whats up?
mircea_popescu: pmd.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00086862 = 2.9967 BTC [-]
diametric: ;;ident diametric
gribble: Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None
deadweasel: no, I haven't heard that one, mp
deadweasel: clearly, the failure lies in kakobrekla not being re-banned in a timely m anner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0008709 = 16.3294 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016543 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {19}
jurov: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086862 = 11.4224 BTC [-]
deadweasel: I was just reading what Morell injected into HItler everyday, what a ride that must have been:
ozbot: Theodor Morell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HeySteve: I believe Kennedy was on a lot too
pankkake: <minerpart> yeah I nkow, pankkake quoted this channel earlier. He is a dirty fucking French prick and he knows it. Just like his Nazi sympathising grandparents he is scum and will do anything for dirty cash.
pankkake: <minerpart> I've met a lot of French people and they are 100% decent and down to earth. But then you always get the odd little shit who would fuck his own mother for cash - that's pankkake.
pankkake: why so mean
deadweasel: ha, what'd you do, pankkake ?
pankkake: probably pushed their butthurt too far
ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087112 = 3.4845 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pankkake: He's just pissed you took away his scam income
pankkake: of course they are
pankkake: well they still can't trade anyway
pankkake: <minerpart> His grandmother was probably raped by a Nazi storm trooper. That's makes him Bastard Nazi offspring. Pure scum.
pankkake: at least he knows some French history
mircea_popescu: lol omfg how dare people say thos things about pankkake
mircea_popescu: they should only say them about me!
pankkake: <minerpart> I've offered to meet him at any railway station in France as I'm southern England. He's a pussy, he wont meet me. A sad little prick with a big internet presence. You know what that means - he's never fucked a girl. Probably followed a few home though then gone home and jerked himself off.
pankkake: I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself
jurov: nice, can't he be hired? or is he already?
pankkake: I only know of my mother-side family history during the war
pankkake: I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p
mircea_popescu: jurov send him to meet people all over france ?
jurov: not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates
mircea_popescu: i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s
pankkake: just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC
pankkake: what nonsense?
mircea_popescu: "omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me"
mircea_popescu: latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains"
BingoBoingo: pankkake: He pays you or you pay him?
pankkake: I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free
pankkake: he pays me
mircea_popescu: as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him.
jurov: pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian
deadweasel: well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
pankkake: tabernacle !
punkman: you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris?
deadweasel: BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore.
deadweasel: this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel apparently.
mircea_popescu: punkman wrote some :)
davout: jurov: that sounds like fun
ozbot: The Road to Chad/Darfur
mike_c: mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors.
mircea_popescu: << this shit is so lulzy.
ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
deadweasel: did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD
mircea_popescu: no srsly, it is epic shit.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you should have a blog baby.
pankkake: I have a blog
pankkake: a dead blog
mircea_popescu: just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging.
pankkake: yeah I have a few topics like that
pankkake: I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+]
pankkake: <minerpart__> Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot
pankkake: :(
kakobrekla: i think thesevend is missing on the table
mike_c: where is this lovefest taking place?
kakobrekla: theseven aka [7]
deadweasel: is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what?
pankkake: #activemining
deadweasel: ah, thx!
pankkake: theseven wasn't a willing participant
kakobrekla: nigga what?!
pankkake: I mean, not PR-wise
mircea_popescu: more like a naive participant i guess
pankkake: he was contracted for stuff, and named
pankkake: :p
[7]: any labcoin news?
pankkake: not that I know
[7]: did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this?
mircea_popescu: [7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread
pankkake: there's an italian lawsuit it seems
pankkake: so maybe!
kakobrekla: AA is in china or somesuch anyways
mircea_popescu: pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now
mircea_popescu: it'd cost me nothing to do so
mircea_popescu: and nothing'd happen.
mircea_popescu: eu lawsuits are quite different from us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-]
pankkake: well the guy's probably in italy
kakobrekla: naw
mircea_popescu: << check out dr greg's withering retort!
ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
mircea_popescu: i need to hire out vincent vega.
pankkake: what's so bad about dr greg anyway?
punkman: *bald
punkman: he could IPO that forehead
kakobrekla: can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock?
pankkake: lol
davout: LOL
pankkake: ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk
pankkake: and I'll be productive
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha epic
pankkake: I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it
benkay: ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on
mircea_popescu: pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot.
mircea_popescu: he's that half-educated idiot.
pankkake: as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better…
mircea_popescu: i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er.
punkman: wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+]
benkay: pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
pankkake: that would have been better
mircea_popescu: punkman likely.
pankkake: I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway.
mircea_popescu: because see, reasons. and things.
benkay: no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord
pankkake: well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though
mircea_popescu: was it for a foreheadectomy ?
pankkake: he promised low returns!
benkay: what were you thinking!
benkay: PIFF is the place for low returns!
pankkake: he left a nice comment about PIF too :)
benkay: you already own the low-returns market!
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest?
benkay: oh he's nice
benkay: that's good. a sign of competence, being nice.
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs
pankkake: I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: regulation
pankkake: i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account
pankkake: but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however
kakobrekla: at least for a fraction of the problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted.
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: pankkake general public can use kickstarter :)
kakobrekla: same result, they get shit.
pankkake: indeed
pankkake: at least for the time being, as it's new
davout: pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested
pankkake: cool
Mats_cd03: weak
mike_c: half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :)
kakobrekla: anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world
kakobrekla: its just you are not in #fiat-assets
kakobrekla: and are totally missing out.
pankkake: lol, no I know there are
pankkake: and very similar ones than in btc
pankkake: actually, I was scammed by my banker
pankkake: first investment ever
pankkake: NATIXIS
pankkake: I was a poor student too
pankkake: lost 90% of its value
Asa9: w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP!
Asa9: er kakobrekla
Asa9: ty!
kakobrekla: you are very welcome
kakobrekla: was it like in southpark "and its gone?"
pankkake: pretty much :/
Asa9: lol
pankkake: basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+]
pankkake: they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs
kakobrekla: i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz
pankkake: I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood
pankkake: made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student)
pankkake: should have done the same with the bitcoin…
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: yea
Mats_cd03: .mpoe
davout: pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee
pankkake: beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart
davout: do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble?
pankkake: maybe in gare du nord :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2}
davout: pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D
ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> WTS 50k ActM shares
ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <JimJones> how much ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> I only take ATC
pankkake: but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet
pankkake: lol
pankkake: haha "which one"
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis.
pankkake: is there a reference I'm missing?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know.
pankkake: oh, I know none
BingoBoingo: pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop
pankkake: well I'm not fighting
pankkake: so far always avoided it
Mats_cd03: scrub
mike_c: i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap
pankkake: hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it
pankkake: what would be the point?
Mats_cd03: Beating him up and getting away with it
Mats_cd03: Also a good work out
davout: pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all
pankkake: certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up
pankkake: the actual scam runners why not
BingoBoingo: Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit?
pankkake: human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do
Shakespeare: cuz we have too many brains
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ?
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame.
pankkake: why?
BingoBoingo: Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on standing between ATC and the moon.
pankkake: such spread
ozbot: tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ?
pankkake: I don't think I know that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: <mircea_popescu> mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate."
ozbot: Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb
pankkake: haha, looks awesome
mircea_popescu: <davout> do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes.
mircea_popescu: they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place
mircea_popescu: they just need to sort out the website for it
KRS-One: <+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy
mircea_popescu: lol Shakespeare
davout: mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: back when i was much younger i must confess
mircea_popescu: we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere
Shakespeare: Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple?
mircea_popescu: mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks
mircea_popescu: the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success.
mircea_popescu: except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment
mircea_popescu: beat the shit out of the entire village youth
mircea_popescu: counted for a weekend trip
pankkake: Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it.
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benkay: !b 9
Jere_Jones: The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary.
Shakespeare: someone lied to me!
pankkake: or wikipedia lies
Shakespeare: Pretend I said Roy Orbison
pankkake: I liked the mistery though
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator.
Jere_Jones: I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do".
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway.
Shakespeare: this site has nice CSS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for instance, the link to has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times.
Jere_Jones: *I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be.
mircea_popescu: in it, you will find : "Much like “nobody knows how to make movies” was generally true in Hollywood, “nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses” is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into “so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike”. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn
mircea_popescu: ow all the ways movies can’t be made. That’s what they’ve been doing with their years and the investors’ money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can’t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it’s very expensive) knowledge ain’t got a prayer."
mircea_popescu: now, had you read that before or is it your first time ?
Jere_Jones: It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth.
mircea_popescu: ok but see ? that's the problem.
mircea_popescu: this is given culture, it's a shared foundation.
mircea_popescu: when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing.
mircea_popescu: in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits
ozbot: Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning.
mircea_popescu: asking questions hurts nothing.
Shakespeare: these guys are nits
Shakespeare: nuts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2}
Jere_Jones: Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the site.
mircea_popescu: the former.
davout: Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc
benkay: the former
Jere_Jones: Got it.
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits.
mircea_popescu: half a nitwit.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again?
Jere_Jones: Damn. Too bad I lost my key.
benkay: 'tain't too late to spin up a new one.
mircea_popescu: jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ
Jere_Jones: ^ From my first bitcoin purchase
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that.
mircea_popescu: just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there.
mircea_popescu: like say bitcoin.
jurov: hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ?
jurov: should get my nightly glass of wine
mircea_popescu: ya re-0read the whole thing lol
deadweasel: holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan
jurov: still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk
deadweasel: pushing*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you ever been to a rural disco ?
jurov: ah now it clicked
mircea_popescu: :)
jurov: one has just imagine being in their skin
davout: tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu
davout: but evil can be fun heh
jurov: why evil? they deserve it
mircea_popescu: davout no argument.
ozbot: Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: im an evil motherfucker.
davout: if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation
jurov: BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized
davout: but like i said that can be fun
benkay: grownup trolling.
davout: s/evil/weak/
BingoBoingo: jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly.
davout: benkay: exactly
davout: benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually
BingoBoingo: Related to the Utopia bust
benkay: something like that
BingoBoingo: Moare hedge c0k
benkay: man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass
mircea_popescu: benkay you should just go to an orgy already.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
benkay: yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either
benkay: but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest
benkay: surely you know the routine
benkay: chase? hunt.
asciilifeform: the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q.
asciilifeform: pocket the difference, and watch.
BingoBoingo: ^^
jurov: that's basically what i suggested to davout
asciilifeform: this is not deep science.
jurov: but seems he's too cultured to arrange that
BingoBoingo: There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread
asciilifeform: fistcoin.
davout: asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits
davout: jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight
pankkake: I wouln't bet on me
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno dood, i never chase.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro.
jurov: they don't american football in fr
davout: we rugby baby
pankkake: we call them rugbymen
jurov: i stand corrected
BingoBoingo: jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg
davout: helmets are for faggots
pankkake: it's not the same
pankkake: exactly
pankkake: no protection
davout: on concrete
pankkake: :D
davout: only in winter
BingoBoingo: By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos
jurov: and theatrical injuries
jurov: and false rape claims
jurov: er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers
davout: funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars
davout: jurov: pilolz
mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ?
jurov: certainly. but nobody is allowed to know
davout: mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries
pankkake: is that why monaco is doing so well this year?
pankkake: I haven't followed the details
davout: pankkake: i don't really follow soccer
mircea_popescu: davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep
davout: mircea_popescu: explain the difference
pankkake: yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax:
pankkake: uh
pankkake: wrong
pankkake: well, it does, the URL is wrong
davout: no the URL says "n'échappera pas"
ozbot: [Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake
mircea_popescu: "It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, "
pankkake: but the title say it escapes :)
davout: pankkake: oh wait
pankkake: confusing!
davout: pankkake: you're right
mircea_popescu: that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc
pankkake: so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1
davout: funny you mention that,
davout: i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance
davout: I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter
BingoBoingo: davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days
deadweasel: i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.
mircea_popescu: impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures.
davout: "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"
pankkake: light greylisting removed most of my spam
pankkake: so only crappy botnets still spam :p
davout: BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too
BingoBoingo: davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.
davout: that sounds like a sensible explanation
mircea_popescu: " Le ministre délégué au Budget"
mircea_popescu: check out the shit france has.
BingoBoingo: I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets
jurov: that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21}
davout: mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ?
davout: incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing
pankkake: Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique
pankkake: decentralisation !
mircea_popescu: davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20}
davout: mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement
jurov: Fleur Pellerin,
jurov: ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif,
mircea_popescu: fuck that, nue but denudement
davout: denuement means poverty
mircea_popescu: wtf is with this language.
mircea_popescu: ;;google fille nue
gribble: Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: <>; Fille Nue - YouTube: <>; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: <>
mircea_popescu: yeah them bitches look poor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58}
benkay: death to the tyrant
benkay: cascadia now
pankkake: does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music?
benkay: there is no movement.
benkay: except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.
mircea_popescu: lots of cooties infections ?
benkay: ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections.
mircea_popescu: you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: sex is probably too mainstream for them
mircea_popescu: there is that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh.
pankkake: dogecoin now number 4
benkay: for clarity - there is no movement.
punkman: wink wink
mircea_popescu: after alt ?!
mircea_popescu: benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly.
mircea_popescu: pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs,
mircea_popescu: ripple total net worth is about -$400
pankkake: last trade * total units. like mpoe :)
benkay: that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat"
mircea_popescu: mpoe actually stands for something.
mircea_popescu: benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol
benkay: repression of the people, iirc.
benkay: 'my feeelingsssss'
mircea_popescu: Sexcoin$ 539,512
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
benkay: well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage
mircea_popescu: LottoCoin$ 710,196
benkay: that'd entail knowing what slippage *is*
pankkake: ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise
mircea_popescu: seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ?
benkay: good luck selling any.
punkman: oh CMC now has two pages of coins
mircea_popescu: Bitgem$ 246,833
mircea_popescu: dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: when you could just make a gem and buy a house
Shakespeare: so if ATC is .00000529
Shakespeare: then we're almost at $1m
mircea_popescu: CraftCoin$ 56,614
Shakespeare: for all the coins ever
pankkake: ;;calc 16763*512*.00000529
gribble: 45.40225024
mircea_popescu: anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16}
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market.
TestingUnoDosTre: junkcoin $328,000
asciilifeform: unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'
asciilifeform: unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+]
punkman: if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced
mircea_popescu: fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat.
mircea_popescu: it's merely a transfer towards the issuer.
asciilifeform: quite the opposite
mircea_popescu: well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage
TestingUnoDosTre: wait what?
Shakespeare: "Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time."
Shakespeare: thats what coinmarketcap wants
Shakespeare: as part of listing requirements
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and basically you could put whatever in there
asciilifeform: benjamin costs >100 usd to make?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most bills are 20s
asciilifeform: and they cost >20?
pankkake: they support openex?
Shakespeare: dunno
Shakespeare: i can try
Shakespeare: but need url
mircea_popescu: cause of all the security elements asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: the only way to keep people from counterfitting them
pankkake: I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange
mircea_popescu: is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value
mircea_popescu: and i do mean MAKE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily /
asciilifeform: last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)
TestingUnoDosTre: Im not entirely convinved
pankkake: I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect
pankkake: well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"
mircea_popescu: nm, i eat cocks.
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pankkake: !b 1
asciilifeform: i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it
pankkake: how anonymous is cash?
pankkake: if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further?
Shakespeare: that's how USD gets value, cost to print it
asciilifeform: pankkake: if someone cares to.
Shakespeare: also USD is not inflationary
punkman: maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: there is a fnite amount
Shakespeare: just dunno what yet
Shakespeare: still mining it
benkay: buuuuwaaaaaaat
asciilifeform: Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel.
mircea_popescu: check out that title.
mircea_popescu: "World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs"
TestingUnoDosTre: TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill
asciilifeform: punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.
Shakespeare: Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed
mircea_popescu: srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how.
Shakespeare: Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me
Shakespeare: all the rooms are full, end of story
asciilifeform: electric theft involves considerably less physical labour.
asciilifeform: (e.g. 'carding')
asciilifeform: when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it
punkman: for or all we know, we are awash in fakes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip.
benkay: another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant
mircea_popescu: generally speaking you're best served by going the other way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue.
benkay: "90% of your 20s are made in NK"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank
TestingUnoDosTre: what is this carding you speak of?
mircea_popescu: there's really no difference
asciilifeform: 'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money
Shakespeare: pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that
asciilifeform: to those who can process them industrially.
asciilifeform: using tame banks.
mircea_popescu: so then there's exactly no difference.
pankkake: it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script
mircea_popescu: those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them
mircea_popescu: pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time
pankkake: so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily
asciilifeform: correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility
mircea_popescu: adjust it once a month or w/e
pankkake: actually… does your hosting allow php or something?
Shakespeare: yes
Shakespeare: i have it on namecheap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business.
asciilifeform: 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.
pankkake: ok, cool, writing now
mircea_popescu: how do banks profit from carding ?
asciilifeform: 'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants.
asciilifeform: they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee.
mircea_popescu: but that'd be visa and mastercard
mircea_popescu: wich aren't banks
asciilifeform: ah, yes.
asciilifeform: they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked...
asciilifeform: the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line
mircea_popescu: large merchants are immune to chargebacks.
mircea_popescu: (actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis
mircea_popescu: it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions
asciilifeform: yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop.
punkman: not Visa/Mastercard
mircea_popescu: Visa processes, what are you talking about ?
punkman: Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
punkman: mircea_popescu:
asciilifeform: instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.'
decimation: I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only
asciilifeform: incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.
asciilifeform: (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)
decimation: Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA?
asciilifeform: decimation: probably. but not economically.
asciilifeform: one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail
decimation: It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance
asciilifeform: these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+]
decimation: No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him?
asciilifeform: i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.
asciilifeform: then 'prove you're not a camel.'
pankkake: banks sue people who explain how easy carding is
asciilifeform: so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it.
asciilifeform: (how?)
pankkake: "Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case."
asciilifeform: these are a dime a dozen.
asciilifeform: like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts.
herbijudlestoids: hullo kids
asciilifeform: (at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder)
mircea_popescu: punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain.
mircea_popescu: seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining.
punkman: when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt.
mircea_popescu: o look, it's a herbijudlestoids
asciilifeform: btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter.
decimation: The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system
mircea_popescu: decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state.
herbijudlestoids: i been sick as a fucken dog
herbijudlestoids: no work done this week :(
herbijudlestoids: on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC
mircea_popescu: we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer
herbijudlestoids: im riech biech
asciilifeform: prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close.
decimation: well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy
mircea_popescu: < why is this named
asciilifeform: 'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer.
decimation: ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler
asciilifeform: and yet it is SOP now.
asciilifeform: most of the new cards have it.
asciilifeform: electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy.
decimation: There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ?
asciilifeform: something like that.
asciilifeform: 'circumvention device !1!!'
mircea_popescu: yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.
decimation: As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points"
mircea_popescu: confederate money still have some value.
decimation: it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats
herbijudlestoids: just going through the log
herbijudlestoids: isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512?
mircea_popescu: yes it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon.
herbijudlestoids: so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially?
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases.
mircea_popescu: "good for one fuck" nudie party tokens.
herbijudlestoids: here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally....,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO
mircea_popescu: "good for one spin" casino chips
mircea_popescu: etc
kakobrekla: i think you can use blockr api for altcoin
decimation: sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity
mircea_popescu: a, that.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?
mircea_popescu: vwap
herbijudlestoids: so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess
decimation: I have a small collection of Weimar Marks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: funny how ?
herbijudlestoids: its got that huge gap
herbijudlestoids: also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on
herbijudlestoids: definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared
decimation: ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin
asciilifeform: "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand
asciilifeform: -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."
decimation: indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note
decimation: it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle
BingoBoingo: I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop
asciilifeform: "... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th
asciilifeform: en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l
asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."
decimation: it's the biggest scam going
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.
decimation: One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one
asciilifeform: i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)
asciilifeform: for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it.
mircea_popescu: decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities.
decimation: I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far
mircea_popescu: nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes.
mircea_popescu: romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages
mircea_popescu: (for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ?
decimation: well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded
asciilifeform: "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)
mircea_popescu: decimation except it wouldn't be state funded.
mircea_popescu: it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all.
decimation: ok; that's even worse
mircea_popescu: well yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck).
decimation: why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania?
mircea_popescu: it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase.
mircea_popescu: decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D
decimation: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit
mircea_popescu: because hey, it's a golden opportunity.
benkay: plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident.
mircea_popescu: plus that.
asciilifeform: i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.
decimation: Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere?
mircea_popescu: decimation nope.
mircea_popescu: but you should write it, save me the trouble.
decimation: You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec
BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation
BingoBoingo: decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.
mircea_popescu: decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team
mircea_popescu: and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers.
decimation: well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works
BingoBoingo: AH, sorry eye lag, vodka
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all.
BingoBoingo: At least not as I understand problem and BTC code
BingoBoingo: As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.
benkay: decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol?
BingoBoingo: The problem is Derp php coders making website.
benkay: hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay?
benkay: it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang.
BingoBoingo: benkay: PHP is great for what it does well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6}
decimation: I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code
benkay: nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)
benkay: besides
pankkake: Pee Hash Pee
mircea_popescu: derp.
decimation: after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth
mircea_popescu: start small, do it in 3rd first.
benkay: herp.
decimation: heh
benkay: lisp zeroth
benkay: decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays
decimation: I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here:
decimation: I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-]
benkay: baw haw haw javascript anything i cry
decimation: yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy
decimation: I saw that greenarrays stuff
BingoBoingo: An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in)
decimation: ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor
mircea_popescu: before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol.
decimation: true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec
mircea_popescu: decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools.
BingoBoingo: Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars
mircea_popescu: a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background.
pankkake: I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la
Azelphur: Python programmer as day job, can confirm.
benkay: if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.
mircea_popescu: benkay by thinking people.
benkay: there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns
benkay: and then there's blockchain validation
decimation: these can and ought to be split into modules
benkay: indeed
benkay: (outta my face - where's the source?!?!)
benkay: in any event
herbijudlestoids: @276
benkay: i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into
benkay: what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
benkay: it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger
benkay: or it would be if anyone would write it
BingoBoingo: Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets
mike_c: it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great.
decimation: yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.
mike_c: what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.
mike_c: take the blockchain validator for instance.
benkay: i'd rather take the network client actually
benkay: state: init
benkay: transition to state: exchange version messages
mircea_popescu: decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D
benkay: transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs
mike_c: yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.
BingoBoingo: Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid
mircea_popescu: mike_c what'd be the alternative ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8}
mike_c: it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.
mircea_popescu: the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ?
mircea_popescu: it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not.
benkay: ^^
mike_c: any program can be thought of that way.
benkay: and maybe most should?
mike_c: it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed.
benkay: the english definition's been written by those who are capable of writing english definitions and not state machines, and its time for someone to write the state machine
benkay: 'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec?
mike_c: so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does.
benkay: mike_c: you can compile a formally defined state machine into a parser in the language of your choice. it's not an academic exercise.
92AAAD6TI: are you saying that a graph is defined by how its nodes are labeled and not their relationships?
mike_c: yes, rational rose will convert UML to code. shitty code that is far from done.
benkay: oh god ibm
mike_c: whoa, we chased everyone away
benkay: try Ragel.
benkay: or something industry hardened like BNF
herbijudlestoids: nah im still here
mike_c: But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec".
herbijudlestoids: sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on
benkay: except a CPP hairball is not a formal definition, and BNF is, well, a formal definition.
mike_c: would you want to try and understand a complex system by reading BNF?
BingoBoingo: Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec
herbijudlestoids: gribble is dead?
BingoBoingo: Oh, DDoS time I see
decimation: it seems freenode is messed up
B007_: mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53600002 = 1.072 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: B007: We all want to be unpoor
B007_: I know
BingoBoingo: B007: Unpoor is predicated on willingness to learn though
mike_c: benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically.
benkay: mike_c: it's the difference between algebra and java.
benkay: i went to the bathroom
herbijudlestoids: "What tear gas taught me about twitter and the NSA"
herbijudlestoids: good articlde.
benkay: ping mike_c
mike_c: ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.
BingoBoingo: I can't stand
BingoBoingo: Too much javascript.
benkay: algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing.
benkay: arguably, if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be fucking with it, and if you can't spend the time to learn the notation ditto.
benkay: bitcoin is most emphatically not for dilletantes.
Mats_cd03: i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean
Mats_cd03: crowdfunded by a btc addr
benkay: you lost me at crowdfunded baby
BingoBoingo: benkay: Some parts of bitcoin are friendlier to dilettantes than others.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00086717 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: everytime you hit $n dollars another one gets spun up for y days
benkay: BingoBoingo: yeah, like the part where you buy 'em.
benkay: not even the part where you guarantee their security yourself as the buying party.
B007_: digitalocean will lock your accout automatically if they recieve abuse complaints about you
mike_c: yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad.
benkay: lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes
Mats_cd03: is that something you think people would be interested in
mike_c: k, later
decimation: Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do.
BingoBoingo: So long as the coins are one's personal coins
herbijudlestoids: decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to
herbijudlestoids: i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT
herbijudlestoids: BTC*
decimation: ok, how would that help anyone?
herbijudlestoids: decimation: someone was complaining earlier that the number of nodes in the bitcoin network running the actual "reference implementation" that avoids this transaction malleability issue has dropped from ~10,000s in 2011 to ~1000 today
herbijudlestoids: or something like that
mike_c: A formal definition for protocol is necessary, but also insufficient. So now you know "how". But if you don't know "why", you are still going to end up fucked. The why is more important.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC
herbijudlestoids: ~60k to ~1k
mike_c: yeah, me too.
mike_c: let's get some PEP's in here.
herbijudlestoids: decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013817 = 0.4145 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu2: da fuck i just been targetted
herbijudlestoids: nah ddos
Mats_cd03: I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen
B007_: mircea_popescu2: targetted?
mircea_popescu2: i ended up having to connect by ip because for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
B007_: oh freenode
nubbins`: behold the bounty of nubbins`
Mats_cd03: Nice
B007_: is mircea_popescu2 even the real one
B007_: i mean it has a 2
B007_: suspicious
nubbins`: who cares
B007_: idk
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: check hostmask
B007_: nah
nubbins`: got two round loaves in the oven now
B007_: I want som
B007_: I'm hungry as fuck
nubbins`: sourdough w/ flax
nubbins`: lots of omega 3, good for ya
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu2: Well, if they serve you a suspicious IP at least you can know it isn't the meta-nsa
MisterE: BingoBoingo: the problem is Gox's own fuckedup internal wallet system that allowed double spending.
MisterE: the BTC malleability bug has been known for better part of a year
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Right, but that is like a super n00by database problem
mike_c: if only they had a PEP to refer to when working on their custom shit.
MisterE: Typical Japanese / Asian to blame anything other than themselves to save face
MisterE: sorry if thats sterotyping lived here 8-years, its true
MisterE: BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling
pankkake: are those custom wallets really necessary?
mike_c: custom shit is always necessary when you scale big.
MisterE: FB almost went dark because they couldn't scale their php to run in huge distributed environments well
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Seems if they are are honest more of a problem of picking the wrong values to use as database primary keys.
MisterE: a couple breakthroughs such as hiphop and the hip hop vm jit compiler saved their ass by like weeks
pankkake: well facebook is a pile of bad decisions
MisterE: I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources
MisterE: lol pankkake maybe a bad example
MisterE: especially in this channle
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped.
MisterE: maybe 1/10 have FB here?
pankkake: anyway, you could also run multiple bitcoinds
MisterE: ^
MisterE: eventually this is the future
MisterE: transactions must move out of the blockchain it cant grow forever
BingoBoingo: The Gox, if they are reliable narrators, problem is they rely on txid as a primary key in their databases. txid makes a poor primary key
MisterE: so exchanges have their own internal chains
MisterE: hmm
benkay: back
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Exchanges don't have their own internal chains. They just handle the actual chain poorly
MisterE: they will
MisterE: they must there can't be 1 chain forever
pankkake: you don't need a blockchain internally if you have trust
MisterE: already coinbase does internal wallets stuff
mike_c: benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF.
pankkake: by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers
MisterE: if you transfer within CB it doesn;t show in the blockchain
MisterE: not sure exactly what they are doing
MisterE: they sure do fill up my timeline with tweets a lot though
mircea_popescu2: that was trippy
MisterE: the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use
mircea_popescu: MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ?
MisterE: :P
MisterE: nobody / arrogance
mircea_popescu: mkay.
MisterE: anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored
ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: oh you decided on PEPs did you?
benkay: ^^ mike_c
mike_c: 2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin
mike_c: benkay: yes. need the why more than the how.
benkay: mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal?
mike_c: yes
asciilifeform: ok what's this talk of state machines ?
benkay: no man bitcoin is in feature freeze
mike_c: feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :)
benkay: asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: benkay: here i am
benkay: for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise.
BingoBoingo: Oh, davout's gone.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lol
B007: I'm soooo hungry
MisterE: pizza!
mircea_popescu: for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first
asciilifeform: 'rotary debugger.'
mircea_popescu: it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality
mike_c: my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.
B007: mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have
B007: don't lie
mircea_popescu: B007 some.
MisterE: thats not polite
MisterE: how rich / poor are you?
B007: poor
B007: and you?
Mats_cd03: jurov: beep
mircea_popescu: there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight.
MisterE: in debt :/
B007: yeah
B007: school?
MisterE: naah worse, health
mike_c: fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao
asciilifeform: mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation.
asciilifeform: with no sharp edges.
mircea_popescu: ^
MisterE: :p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends
mircea_popescu: we can have that novel written sometime in 2050
mike_c: but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things.
mircea_popescu: << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D
ozbot: Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ...
mike_c: both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.
mike_c: and less important while we are applying our limited resources.
B007: lol
mike_c: hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.
MisterE: :P it is still irc afterall
MisterE: too bad I missed out on the ponzi
B007: I hope no btc is in ur mom
BingoBoingo: MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way.
MisterE: if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d
mike_c: the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job.
MisterE: hmm good point
B007: anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH
MisterE: I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency
BingoBoingo: B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture.
MisterE: they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...
asciilifeform: MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable.
MisterE: yea I recon so
B007: wtf is a laundry maker
BingoBoingo: B007: A sharpie in American terms.
MisterE: marker*
B007: oh a marker
B007: lol
MisterE: :p
BingoBoingo: B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper
B007: nah
BingoBoingo: B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.
B007: or it will be morthles
mike_c: *something like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-]
B007: *worthless
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever.
mircea_popescu: basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised
BingoBoingo: B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.
B007: mircea_popescu: where is my money
mircea_popescu: how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+]
mike_c: yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.
mike_c: ok, i've beaten this horse.
B007: its dead
asciilifeform: the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation,
mircea_popescu: but of a definite one.
mircea_popescu: something natural language will never be.
asciilifeform: but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort.
asciilifeform: the way one understands a kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: (what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.)
MisterE: mike_c: at this point in time I agree
asciilifeform: 'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid.
MisterE: eventualy you have to ship
asciilifeform: and never as a substitute for mechanics.
mike_c: yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version.
mircea_popescu: no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase.
mircea_popescu: this is science, we're describing an actual real process.
asciilifeform: the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work
mike_c: you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots.
mircea_popescu: why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ?
mike_c: the fricking white paper came before the code
mircea_popescu: seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction.
asciilifeform: we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it.
asciilifeform: and parts held together with tape.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded.
mike_c: asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top.
BingoBoingo: I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links
asciilifeform: mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way.
mircea_popescu: why does it have to be an either anyway ?
mircea_popescu: you know the bridges joke ?
mike_c: it does not and should not.
mike_c: only the bridge builder one
mircea_popescu: yea that.
mircea_popescu: if they meet, you got your bridge
mircea_popescu: if they don't, i guess you get two
mike_c: hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder
asciilifeform: birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm'
mircea_popescu: mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world
mircea_popescu: the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point.
mircea_popescu: well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech
ozbot: It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri
mircea_popescu: for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING,
mircea_popescu: sequels are spelled seqeuls,
mircea_popescu: and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was.
herbijudlestoids: i read something about hemmingway today
herbijudlestoids: ...
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BingoBoingo: I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch
herbijudlestoids: not specifically him but yea
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds
mircea_popescu: and the middle.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nah, idle.
herbijudlestoids: kk
mike_c: no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code.
pankkake: what about the Go implementation?
mike_c: who has nothing to do the rest of the year?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: How good are you at K&R C?
mircea_popescu: mike_c life.
herbijudlestoids: i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree
herbijudlestoids: for if it was good we would not be having this discussion
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.
mircea_popescu: it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.
pankkake: the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/
pankkake: just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement
herbijudlestoids: and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable?
herbijudlestoids: from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly.
herbijudlestoids: s/chees/chess
herbijudlestoids: but i really enjoy playing
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose"
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers
mircea_popescu: SAFELY and etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.
BingoBoingo: Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: not this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin.
pankkake: herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly want someone with more free time :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now.
herbijudlestoids: i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: tails
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk?
mircea_popescu: i guess you're not man enough for it.
herbijudlestoids: maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment.
BingoBoingo: Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids right.
herbijudlestoids: would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0?
mircea_popescu: it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids how much ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying.
herbijudlestoids: i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer
herbijudlestoids: sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex
herbijudlestoids: not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully
BingoBoingo: ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks
herbijudlestoids: dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000
benkay: mike_c: are you satisfied with <asciilifeform> the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the
benkay: computation itself.
benkay: ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded.
herbijudlestoids: ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price
BingoBoingo: benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly
herbijudlestoids: we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value
benkay: hell no
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system.
mircea_popescu: 56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small.
benkay: BingoBoingo ^^
mike_c: benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :)
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: since you guys all love the fucken WoT
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE?
BingoBoingo: Any S.NSA or S.BBET?
mircea_popescu: he has some mpoe graphs...
herbijudlestoids: so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT
KRS-One: haha
herbijudlestoids: i couldve just taken a no :)
mike_c: s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate.
mircea_popescu: you'll need moar.
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.nsa
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282
BingoBoingo: After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao.
mircea_popescu: ahaha 645 srsly ?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening
moiety: hihi :)
KRS-One: of course becase there isnt any demand or volume
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though
KRS-One: I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it
mircea_popescu: i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi...
coingenuity: sup mircea_popescu
mike_c: 10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers.
mircea_popescu: coingenuity same old.
coingenuity: i feel ya
mircea_popescu: i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait
BingoBoingo: coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?>
mike_c: herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot.
mircea_popescu: what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ?
moiety: i are having stupid question moment. halps?
benkay: mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing.
coingenuity: BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get
mircea_popescu: moiety shoot
mircea_popescu: benkay totally nobody;s using it.
moiety: you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious)
benkay: moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window?
herbijudlestoids: moiety: win or lin?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Windows?
mircea_popescu: yes you may.
moiety: omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day
mircea_popescu: terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?!
BingoBoingo: moiety: I thought you moved past Windows.
moiety: thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning
mircea_popescu: moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window
moiety: no, never got to linuxing
mircea_popescu: even windows isn't apple.
moiety: i only just found ctrl alt shift!
herbijudlestoids: moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter
mircea_popescu: ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client
mike_c: benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation.
asciilifeform: probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string)
moiety: i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet
moiety: and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that.
BingoBoingo: moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo
herbijudlestoids: people still use bitchx?
moiety: check me oot with ma two wee cmds!
moiety: well, i had been wondering about bsd
mircea_popescu: what was the cmd bomb for windows ?
herbijudlestoids: cmd bomb?
asciilifeform: he probably meant fork bomb
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them
mircea_popescu: yeah
moiety: c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: etc
BingoBoingo: moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable.
mircea_popescu: ty
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever play chess?
asciilifeform: on occasion.
asciilifeform: i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation?
asciilifeform: certainly.
moiety: has anyone tried chess 2?
BingoBoingo: I could use a loss
moiety: play me then BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: can't guarantee a loss
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand?
asciilifeform: i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Heads or tails?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Works for me.
mircea_popescu: tails.
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: tails
pankkake: WHAT
mircea_popescu: pankkake scam
moiety: hahaha i love gribble more every day
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Troll the imposter coin.
moiety: i really can't play very well BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway
asciilifeform: no crapartist seems to resist those
BingoBoingo: moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk.
herbijudlestoids: i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is
moiety: you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win!
mircea_popescu: cause gold is valuable.
moiety: unless its on a crackhead
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids welcome to the club.
mircea_popescu: i've not understood it a year and a half later.
herbijudlestoids: its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin
herbijudlestoids: gg
pankkake: it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP
BingoBoingo: moiety: White or black
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea exactly.
mircea_popescu: "Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose."
moiety: either you choose
mircea_popescu: derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black)
pankkake: I remember when deepbit was the big bad
asciilifeform: the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining.
asciilifeform: i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies
asciilifeform: or their phriends
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that
herbijudlestoids: they feel that ASICS are "unfair"
herbijudlestoids: and that anyone should be able to mine some coins
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly.
asciilifeform: that's precisely the thing. warm body rights.
BingoBoingo: phriends, are people still making blue boxes?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they would if they could.
asciilifeform: not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far
herbijudlestoids: i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable.
moiety: i'll be white bingo :)
BingoBoingo: moiety: K, it is your move.
asciilifeform: "Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine
mircea_popescu: | 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | |
mircea_popescu: ahahaha EPIC shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: "The Gods Must be Crazy"
mircea_popescu: check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694
herbijudlestoids: glegh
pankkake: if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you
moiety: i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see
asciilifeform: eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away.
herbijudlestoids: moiety:
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there.
moiety: aw yiss, thank you herbi :D
mircea_popescu: pankkake
mircea_popescu: "Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum."
mircea_popescu: clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles.
pankkake: fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config"
asciilifeform: still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'.
pankkake: basically, properly configured seed nodes
asciilifeform: i mean, if we're going to collide names...
pankkake: altcoins expectations are low
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin
asciilifeform: beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker
mircea_popescu: . Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D.
asciilifeform: 'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!'
mircea_popescu: The Turd Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: (accidental typo)
mircea_popescu: Dev, correct start page,
mircea_popescu: 4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36
mircea_popescu: 2^36 = 68,719,476,736
mircea_popescu: So could you specify again, how many coins total ?
mircea_popescu: Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296.
mircea_popescu: this shit's pretty good
mircea_popescu: the little error is well... some billions.
asciilifeform: that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume
asciilifeform: (vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...)
mircea_popescu: too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid
herbijudlestoids: i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud
mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins
moiety: BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please
BingoBoingo: K, d7-d6
herbijudlestoids: what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work.
BingoBoingo: freenet? maori like failnet.
mircea_popescu: link some examples of trollage to shit will you
moiety: BingoBoingo: b2 to b3
BingoBoingo: Cause Whales of fail.
BingoBoingo: Nf6
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit'
pankkake: did bitcloud produce any code?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz
asciilifeform: asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked.
asciilifeform: (i.e. serious mathematical advance)
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that
mircea_popescu: i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto.
herbijudlestoids: s/ASCI/ASIC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran
mircea_popescu: learn to keep logs they be important
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process"
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet.
mircea_popescu: epic.
pankkake: java :(
pankkake: actually, it's mostly usuability issues
BingoBoingo: Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids
pankkake: 0530 pankkake> java :(
pankkake: 0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sure :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: and when was the last time you used it?
pankkake: 2 years ago I think
herbijudlestoids: lel
pankkake: I really like the darknet/opennet approach
moiety: BingoBoingo: c2 - c3
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ?
herbijudlestoids: try it out then, lots of recent improvements
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese.
mircea_popescu: holy shit then there's no trolling there
mircea_popescu: everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous
herbijudlestoids: well, except Javier the douchenozzle
herbijudlestoids: i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll
herbijudlestoids: troll him all day
BingoBoingo: moiety: g6
herbijudlestoids: then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life
pankkake: herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me!
mircea_popescu: trolling idiots is meaningful now ?
mircea_popescu: why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ?
herbijudlestoids: nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom
herbijudlestoids: if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise
pankkake: but how much time does that cost you?
mircea_popescu: so ddosing idiots now.
asciilifeform: '...but the pig will enjoy it.'
herbijudlestoids: not all the idiots
herbijudlestoids: just the ones that really get my grill
herbijudlestoids: anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do
herbijudlestoids: he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P
herbijudlestoids: although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him
pankkake: I'm tired of all the nonprojects
pankkake: since diaspora
nubbins`: have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops?
pankkake: don't think so
BingoBoingo: diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better
mircea_popescu: yeah eyah you did
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh
nubbins`: she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes.
moiety: bingoboingo: wut
mircea_popescu: diaspora meets any.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I moved pawn g6
nubbins`: ^ heh, a challenger approaches!
BingoBoingo: Cause I'm fly like a g6
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc
mircea_popescu: sounds sensible.
BingoBoingo: They nevar did that to me.
BingoBoingo: Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p!
herbijudlestoids: im grateful for that
BingoBoingo: Tor has nothing on turtle routing
pankkake: when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions
BingoBoingo: lol
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum
pankkake: is the turtle on elephants?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :)
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran
herbijudlestoids: and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6
herbijudlestoids: anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves
moiety: just carry on
herbijudlestoids: this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired
BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move
moiety: it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame
BingoBoingo: moiety: He's sleeping too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed.
herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :)
BingoBoingo: ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth
moiety: f2-f3
moiety: aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol
BingoBoingo: Bg7
BingoBoingo: Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix
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moiety: h3-h4
BingoBoingo: 0-0
moiety: i have no idea what the board looks like
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing
nubbins`: ha
moiety: what even is 0?
moiety: m using herbis picture in paint
moiety: and a chess site
moiety: for what the pieces are and where they begin
moiety: ive never played without a board, im sorry
nubbins`: ^ svg board and pieces
nubbins`: open w/ inkscape
herbijudlestoids: lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;)
moiety: oh lol thanks herbi
moiety: i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow
moiety: i have that effect a lot
BingoBoingo: moiety: Try putting the moves in
BingoBoingo: 0-0 is castle kingside
BingoBoingo: 1. h3 d6
moiety: it puts in your moves too though
moiety: like guesses
BingoBoingo: 2. b3 Nf6
moiety: i'll stick to drawing it out
mircea_popescu: 0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies
BingoBoingo: 3. c3 g6
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moiety: b3-b4 please!
BingoBoingo: c5
mircea_popescu: Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs
mircea_popescu: fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life.
moiety: bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner
BingoBoingo: moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it
moiety: oh fck sorry
BingoBoingo: moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in
BingoBoingo: And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam.
pankkake: pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that
BingoBoingo: 4. f3 Bg7
BingoBoingo: 5. h4 0-0

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