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Bunnyh: can't access it until after a few hours though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+]
mod6: herbi: thanks for the heads up.
herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there
herbijudlestoids: looks like theyre older than what i got
Bunnyh: i mined them on the 2nd
Bunnyh: and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway
mircea_popescu: sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ?
herbijudlestoids: wait, did you mine them solo or in pool?
mircea_popescu: perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ?
Vexual: lol
herbijudlestoids: or personal pool?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block
Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly
Vexual: did you get any 512 blocks like that?
Bunnyh: yes, hundreds
Bunnyh: just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly
Vexual: why you telling people thne?
herbijudlestoids: it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying
ThickAsThieves: we didnt have the source code on the 2nd tho
mircea_popescu: pankkake ^ you ever heard of shit like that ?
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: no
Bunnyh: Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
Vexual: are you mining bc on the same rig?
MisterE: too much hashpower is a good problem to have
Bunnyh: Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays
herbijudlestoids: weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks
ThickAsThieves: so it thought it was bitcoin not altcoin somehow
herbijudlestoids: not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: so how do we do the reverse is the question
Bunnyh: "thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean
ThickAsThieves: mine 512btc block
Bunnyh: they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind
Vexual: someone would notic 512 bc blocks
MisterE: 512 bc is a lot
ThickAsThieves: so is 5000btc
Vexual: so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked
MisterE: there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked
ThickAsThieves: i knew ATC would be disruptive!
MisterE: Poor Robert Bork
MisterE: last niminee to try to be honest
MisterE: nominee*
ThickAsThieves: can nodes somehow affect this?
ThickAsThieves: when/where is the block reward determined?
Bunnyh: can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes?
Vexual: what code are you running bunny?
Bunnyh: that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool
MisterE: I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p
herbijudlestoids: im looking at ../src/main.cpp:1076
herbijudlestoids: hang on ill pull it up
herbijudlestoids: is that the line that determines the block reward?
Bunnyh: looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations
Evolyn: can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~
herbijudlestoids: Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097...
agorecki: What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it?
ThickAsThieves: dunno if that is of interest
ThickAsThieves: just searching for 50s
ThickAsThieves: that's the only one
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: that looks like an error code tho
Vexual: get you 0.01 back tat
mircea_popescu: <Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Evolyn nobody said anything so far.
mircea_popescu: you can prolly ask toffoo
mircea_popescu: oops i mean topace
Bunnyh: so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config
ThickAsThieves: evolyn, its probly cloudflare
Bunnyh: it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks
ThickAsThieves: loads fine for me
ThickAsThieves: give it 5min
Evolyn: sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time
ThickAsThieves: there's something buggy in the code i think
ThickAsThieves: where it retries a bunch
ThickAsThieves: and then triggers CF
ThickAsThieves: happens to me a lot when pushing shares to people
MisterE: it's probably being ddosed
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated?
Bunnyh: 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising...
MisterE: yea 50 per block right?
ThickAsThieves: might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke
MisterE: and to me :p
cs1980: taking about altcoin?
Bunnyh: Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount
Luke-Jr: I can.
ThickAsThieves: care to share?
herbijudlestoids: i got a present for yall
ThickAsThieves: jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll?
MisterE: dammit man, I see images inline
MisterE: buy a Tesla: What happens when a Tesla Model S gets rear ended?
ThickAsThieves: what is that a Kia?
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: never admit to geeks you see your images inline.
MisterE: fucker!
MisterE: it's ok I'm numb to goatse
Bunnyh: i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ...
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh.
MisterE: its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over
KRS-One: lol MisterE
ThickAsThieves: Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing
ThickAsThieves: just wondering
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;)
Luke-Jr: subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000)
herbijudlestoids: is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before
Luke-Jr: used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block
Luke-Jr: Eloipool
Luke-Jr: and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so it was caused by eloipool not altcoind
Vexual: phew
Bunnyh: thanks, mystery solved
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins?
Bunnyh: that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins
ThickAsThieves: herb i think it's an incompatibility
ThickAsThieves: how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy
Luke-Jr: I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work
Luke-Jr: and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number?
mircea_popescu: o that's it then
Bunnyh: herbijudlestoids: line 160
Luke-Jr: Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW
Luke-Jr: and Bunnyh beat me to it
mircea_popescu: might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000
mircea_popescu: just to be on the safe side
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse.
ozbot: in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious
Bunnyh: no other hits for 5000000000
mircea_popescu: cool then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087297 = 4.4521 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
mircea_popescu: 2fa huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+]
Duffer1: pankakke around?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips
Duffer1: ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: is the same as
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b
Luke-Jr: except abc might be instead of just a word
Duffer1: er probably bitfury
mircea_popescu: it's bitfury
mircea_popescu: not that many actual chips around. not yet anyway.
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore
Duffer1: it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses.
mircea_popescu: internet contrarianism.
Duffer1: down is up here
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder did you after oct ?
Bugpowder: I don't think so
mircea_popescu: then yes.
benkay: (defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger))
Bugpowder: I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact.
Bugpowder: sending..
Duffer1: I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing?
Duffer1: he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason...
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i dun see another reason
mircea_popescu: random internet person likes to get into arguments.
mircea_popescu: no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong.
mircea_popescu: perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright.
Bugpowder: I hope this works...
Duffer1: he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3...
mircea_popescu: "it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers.
Luke-Jr: herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know
herbijudlestoids: but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify?
mircea_popescu: he doesn't know for a fact it will be always ints.
Luke-Jr: it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example
Luke-Jr: or the subsidy could grow
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business
herbijudlestoids: i guess not really a "deal"
mircea_popescu: pledge ?
herbijudlestoids: yea i pledge on mircea_popescus pants
mircea_popescu: best put some on then
Luke-Jr: I wouldn't call it correct.
Luke-Jr: I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong
Luke-Jr: and that software should only ever work in the base unit
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now.
mircea_popescu: all bitcoin amounts are simply satoshi ints.
mircea_popescu: there's no fractions in crypto.
benkay: learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000
mircea_popescu: wait thats not right
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 100000000 / 10000000
mircea_popescu: that's a dent.
herbijudlestoids: static const int64 COIN = 100000000;
herbijudlestoids: static const int64 CENT = 1000000;
herbijudlestoids: sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end
herbijudlestoids: Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok?
Luke-Jr: looks ok
benkay: engineering can never be a copy/paste affair.
herbijudlestoids: alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope
herbijudlestoids: benkay: i didnt say i copied it :)
herbijudlestoids: but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code
herbijudlestoids: and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN
herbijudlestoids: ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool)
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 Noob.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder should be ok
herbijudlestoids: thx mircea_popescu
herbijudlestoids: i have been waiting to do this for so long
herbijudlestoids: ;;rate BingoBoingo sexysosexy
gribble: Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer.
herbijudlestoids: ;;rate BingoBoingo 10 sexysosexy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
Bugpowder: if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago
Bugpowder: I was gonna by calls at 100
Bugpowder: how are bitcoin transfers working right now?
Bugpowder: Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled?
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 etc
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's malled ?!
Bugpowder: like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated?
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make ?!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea %s, i dunno anyone counted.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 ATC
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
Bugpowder: dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's it for me. take care all.
Vexual: anyone blacklisting wonky nodes?
herbijudlestoids: time for a DNSBL of bitcoin nodes lol
Vexual: bugpowder you can always send it again
Bugpowder: sending a test deposit
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herbijudlestoids: Vexual: will you be my valentine?
Vexual: if you get ukyo and burnside to spill the beans on the fbi
Vexual: i mean sec
MisterE: what herb, no honor among thieves? :)
MisterE: well I guess hosting a site for drug dealing doesn't make you a thief
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting
MisterE: Ahh ok
herbijudlestoids: vex lovez teh dnb
Vexual: this needs the ag dancing
Vexual: even his tie looks like a police car
ozbot: Nightcrawlers - Push The Feeling On - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51635 = 1.5491 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Daft Punk - Revolution 909 - YouTube
benkay: what the fuck is wrong with you two
Vexual: we're in love
Vexual: deal with it
benkay: -g
Vexual: #Your search - -g - did not match any documents.
KRS-One: whats wrong benkay
KRS-One: Did you have something important to talk about?
KRS-One: I'm here if so?
benkay: it's horrible
herbijudlestoids: benkay: its fucken valentines day, dont ruin our love
herbijudlestoids: you will understand tomorrow when the rest of the world catches up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.514 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"
herbijudlestoids: "Y U SKIP DUE DILIGENCE"
Vexual: ylang ylang
Vexual: but id put it on a post and get out of the snow
ozbot: M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087062 = 10.8392 BTC [-]
ozbot: Peer Kusiv - Hoch-Tief (Video) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087062 = 3.1342 BTC [-]
ozbot: Madonna - Beautiful Stranger - Official Video HD - YouTube
Vexual: i heard mp lika madonna
ozbot: How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell - The Oatmeal
ozbot: Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 72 @ 0.06969012 = 5.0177 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08014598 = 4.0073 BTC [+] {9}
Vexual: ok my openex tx finally got in, ima trade me some atc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.0978 = 3.5208 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: how many confirms do they like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00087278 = 15.3967 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: not until you give us more music videos
Vexual: you changed your tune trudy
Vexual: did you stockholm syndrome on my utube spam?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00522077 = 3.6545 BTC [-] {11}
Vexual: or are you being facetious
Vexual: lol
herbijudlestoids: they need all 6 confirms
herbijudlestoids: or 5 i think
herbijudlestoids: close to all
jurov: all of them
Vexual: all 6?
Vexual: its a polular number
jurov: by satoshi's decree
Vexual: was it?
Vexual: a decree or a passing fancy?
Vexual: theres litttle difference with satishi
ozbot: Hilltop Hoods - Rattling the Keys to the Kingdom - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50916666 = 3.055 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: this ones for pankkake for no reason other than i remember his name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00509978 = 0.561 BTC [-] {8}
BitcoinPropagand: Is there any MP here?
Vexual: asleep
herbijudlestoids: yerrrrr friday!
Vexual: shit thats two bits of info yove given me herbi, friday, and valentins
herbijudlestoids: even after all these years
Vexual: ie10?
herbijudlestoids: the hax basically boil down to tricking someone
Vexual: what else you got ? how to trade atc on openex?
herbijudlestoids: lollll go read todays logs for that, everyones got an opinion about how what i did was wrong
Vexual: i was there and reading
herbijudlestoids: so thats all i got :P
Vexual: i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: i woulda given you 1 ATC just to represent our love
herbijudlestoids: fuck ill still give ya one ;)
Vexual: how many u got?
herbijudlestoids: plenty, want one? happy to
herbijudlestoids: gimme yer wallet addy
Vexual: yeah i don't actuall love you
Vexual: youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex
Vexual: ace thing
herbijudlestoids: low for now i got a steady stream coming in
Vexual: what are you mining with?
herbijudlestoids: about 1.3GH of ASIC
Vexual: loooks like bongo brain is preparing for me
Vexual: shit, im confirmed
Vexual: what do you know of bbs trades?
Vexual: nevermind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: sorry was in the other room, what are bbs trades?
Vexual: bingoboingos' trades i meant, not a dial in board
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.089 = 0.712 BTC [-]
Vexual: imagine if crypto currency was invented then
Vexual: ok so what do i do herbi, i got btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087453 = 15.829 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s
herbijudlestoids: if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid
herbijudlestoids: 290s is the highest bid now, sorry
herbijudlestoids: its a 2 way auction
herbijudlestoids: nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu
Vexual: yeah m,y head say buy a fuckload at 125
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: there is a lot of bids above 125
Vexual: now, but earlier
herbijudlestoids: i think theyre all in there to stop me from pinging the last price to 110 hehe
Vexual: what good would that do?
herbijudlestoids: nothing, but it foils bingos attempts to have it worth more than doge
Vexual: arent you hding atc?
herbijudlestoids: iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol
Vexual: yeah this coin is unique
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herbijudlestoids: i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC
herbijudlestoids: just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on not really necessary for much anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09779999 = 0.489 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087013 = 14.8792 BTC [-]
Vexual: herbijudlestoids: how doeth rounding on samll amounts work?
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: not too sure
Vexual: werent you buying microcents?
Vexual: do you have a notebook?
herbijudlestoids: pinging bid = sell 0.0000001 ATC into the highest bid
Vexual: did you get any btc?
herbijudlestoids: what are you specifically asking?
herbijudlestoids: yea some tiny amount, about 2000 satoshi worth
herbijudlestoids: but bingo hit all of my bids when i put them in
Vexual: well i just bought 200 at around pankkake's ask, so im good with that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14987 @ 0.00087514 = 13.1157 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: 300?
Vexual: see what happens tommorrow, ciao valentineses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27347 @ 0.00087555 = 23.9437 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00087569 = 19.7906 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00293135 = 0.126 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00087658 = 79.8564 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39388 @ 0.00087663 = 34.5287 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 489 @ 0.0029 = 1.4181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0729999 = 0.146 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: hullo BingoBoingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08500003 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00024529 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07930345 = 7.058 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05809769 = 11.6195 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06999996 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06001922 = 0.7802 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00087317 = 23.3573 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06999325 = 2.5198 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: yes herbijudlestoids
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0008709 = 13.0635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00025996 = 2.5996 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2959 @ 0.00025999 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08478997 = 1.3566 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08478998 = 4.2395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08478998 = 0.3392 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.0042976 = 0.1719 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00025991 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025999 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479499 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0848 = 0.1696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0818 = 0.4908 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0845 = 0.507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086947 = 10.9553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0008693 = 15.517 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: <sturles> Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now.
Apocalyptic: derp of the day
jurov: he meant it seriously?
dexX7: you think that's not smart?
punkman1: if you can't take withdraw fiat, what else you gonna do
punkman1: buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some
Apocalyptic: yes jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2909 @ 0.00024438 = 0.7109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-]
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
herbijudlestoids: revolution in venezuela, ukraine, turkey, thailand
herbijudlestoids: and we talkin gox :P
ThickAsThieves: Karpeles confrontation at 2m
ThickAsThieves: cant fukn understand him tho
ThickAsThieves: with his south afrifrenchican accent
ThickAsThieves: dude seems starstruck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12405571 = 0.8684 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: starstruck lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1241 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086978 = 11.0462 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar
pankkake: the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters
ThickAsThieves: it was sorted later in the log p
ThickAsThieves: twas cux a lukejr pool app
ThickAsThieves: herb is gonna fix it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0008693 = 14.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4765 @ 0.000869 = 4.1408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21920 @ 0.00086992 = 19.0686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27762 @ 0.00087212 = 24.2118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37201 @ 0.00087383 = 32.5073 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders.
Apocalyptic: it is,
Apocalyptic: people seem to use it more as a wallet than an exchange though
ThickAsThieves: how will you ever compete with OpenEx?!
Apocalyptic: we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0835 = 0.501 BTC [-]
jurov: x-bt needs to implement similar order matching :DDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 922 @ 0.00023038 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07227 = 0.1445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-]
boolcrap: whats an assbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: boolcrap: tickers.
mircea_popescu: boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC)
asciilifeform: and this.... 'amazing'
kakobrekla: !h boolcrap
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kakobrekla: tjos os mpt tje way ot should be
kakobrekla: whatever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'everything new is carefully forgotten old' -
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ?
mircea_popescu: it's not even been a day ><
pankkake: !rules
kakobrekla: ah right
kakobrekla: i missed that part
herbijudlestoids: hullo guys
herbijudlestoids: just about bedtime here
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still.
kakobrekla: sry mp, thought it was 5 days.
mircea_popescu: "aveti putintica rabdare" as teh phrase goes.
jborkl: the option bid/ask is offline right now MP?
mircea_popescu: jborkl bot must have failed to get a quote
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Feature request for A link to the part in the relevant part at so that context is easier to find.
mircea_popescu: this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ?
jborkl: ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember
mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts, as before.
jborkl: ok thanks
mircea_popescu: i've never changed that
herbijudlestoids: i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich.
kakobrekla: i approve of the idea.
herbijudlestoids: aside from reading bash and trilema, any advice for someone who has to take a gap?
boolcrap: i see
mircea_popescu: "mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!"
ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids get laid.
herbijudlestoids: -assets related advice
mircea_popescu: dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan.
mircea_popescu: you'll just be older and decrepit-er and senile-er
mircea_popescu: aka richer.
boolcrap: your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years?
kakobrekla: YOU A RE HUMAN!?!
boolcrap: im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up
mircea_popescu: boolcrap just the girls.
boolcrap: they would become asexual?
chetty: we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there
asciilifeform: 'we shall all bake together when we bake...'
boolcrap: lawl.
herbijudlestoids: i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo
herbijudlestoids: behave yourselves :)
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids : "go! go to your fancy fire!"
mircea_popescu: ;;google blow tumbler
mircea_popescu: google seems stuck in safe mode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07150094 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}
boolcrap: assbot
boolcrap: show me some ass
boolcrap: !ass
boolcrap: !hotass
boolcrap: there we go
boolcrap: !hotamericanjailbaitass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086971 = 15.4808 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00023999 = 0.432 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: bitstamp open for withdrawals again
assbot: 123!
ozbot: Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review
ThickAsThieves: minimally interesting...
ThickAsThieves: "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+]
mike_c: and by "spent" they mean.. moved?
mike_c: so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess?
deadweasel: they don't know what they mean.
deadweasel: spendthrift miners!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08399997 = 0.168 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yeah the graphic is kinda useless
ThickAsThieves: sorry MIT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07300003 = 3.577 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00086953 = 10.8256 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ?
ozbot: Calling out
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
pankkake: and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yes, which is why the mention.
mircea_popescu: wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason.
mircea_popescu: pretty disappointing.
pankkake: "the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique"
pankkake: everything's unique in some way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00086897 = 38.2347 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true.
mircea_popescu: every apple is not unique. it's just an apple.
mircea_popescu: more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system.
mircea_popescu: and one's mother is not a system.
deadweasel: Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need?
deadweasel: A poll, in the forums....
mircea_popescu: deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history.
deadweasel: since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable!
mircea_popescu: s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there
deadweasel: glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post.
mircea_popescu: i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock.
mircea_popescu: they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far.
deadweasel: i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock....
mircea_popescu: this is the worst fucking idea ever.
mircea_popescu: any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless.
mircea_popescu: they should have let them wear bras and nothing else.
pankkake: they're over the IPOs price now I think
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock.
pankkake: they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper
deadweasel: hahaha
pankkake: and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs
pankkake: so that whole thing was badly done
deadweasel: were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-]
jborkl: topace doesnt own havelock anymore?
mircea_popescu: they did some dubious shuffling of assets
mircea_popescu: it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey.
pankkake: seems to be a bit stronger than the others
jborkl: oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal?
topace: correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange)
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE}
mircea_popescu: jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was.
jborkl: ok, yeah I missed that completely.
mircea_popescu: pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit.
mircea_popescu: "We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff.
jborkl: I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
jborkl: ok, just making sure
mircea_popescu: nothing ever goes away on the forum.
mircea_popescu: even the gbbg dood is still there.
mircea_popescu: heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again.
benkay: some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC
Jere_Jones: Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole."
mircea_popescu: i said that ?!
jborkl: I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days
ozbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib
Jere_Jones: Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :"
mircea_popescu: lol ozzie is too short for my titulature needs.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it.
Asa9: sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now.
Asa9: you should call yourself the Oracle something
Asa9: just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i shall call myself mp!
deadweasel: 'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha
Jere_Jones: And... I'm out of trilema credits. I guess I should get some work done.
mircea_popescu: back to the mines.
deadweasel: dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa,
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point :
mircea_popescu: people love to think that trilema credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case
mircea_popescu: they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits.
mircea_popescu: fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue
deadweasel: or have rotating vpn..
mircea_popescu: still needs to be paid for
deadweasel: i pay for it by reading it ;)
deadweasel: my brain will never be the same
mircea_popescu: no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn
mircea_popescu: cause it was more stimulating
mircea_popescu: and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that.
deadweasel: we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it.
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess that's progress.
Jere_Jones: Eh. No worries. Trilema credits are cheap. Surprisingly so.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes
mircea_popescu: but it is fucking soviet.
mircea_popescu: fractally so. in excruciatingly shocking detail.
asciilifeform: sad part is, these folks are about to get a Free! Amazing! excursion there. no time machine needed.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place,
mircea_popescu: a resut of the stupidity of one particular race,
asciilifeform: the new, 'streamlined', 'modern' ussr. all butugichag, no kurchatov.
mircea_popescu: anything you wish. nope... was not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then what's ann arbor ?
asciilifeform: it'll be in anchorage or something
asciilifeform: the americans seem eager to move into the mythical ussr they themselves painted.
asciilifeform: where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ?
asciilifeform: everyone knows it
mircea_popescu: fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D
asciilifeform: anyone here doesn't know it?
Asa9: i don't
Asa9: :(
mircea_popescu: mwahaha.
deadweasel: plunder our laughs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say it
boolcrap: tell me this joke i have not heard it
mod6: *cough*
asciilifeform: mp, i liked your telling. let's have it
mircea_popescu: i told it before ?
mircea_popescu: jesus i'm already an old man, check me out.
asciilifeform: at some point
mircea_popescu: ok, so school in soviet russia
mircea_popescu: a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton
mircea_popescu: tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps
mircea_popescu: whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream!
mircea_popescu: little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off
mircea_popescu: "what's the matter little girl ?"
mircea_popescu: "i want to go to the soviet union!!!"
Asa9: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08167999 = 0.8168 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: *grin*
boolcrap: i have a joke
boolcrap: its my only joke ever.
boolcrap: ok so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget.
boolcrap: a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
boolcrap: so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy"
boolcrap: and the rabbi says " out of what?"
mod6: haha
jborkl: heh very good
Asa9: I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried.
Jere_Jones: Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs.
ozbot: Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones "two whores" ?
Jere_Jones: A life lesson and a joke in one.
mircea_popescu: there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed.
Jere_Jones: That joke is romanian?
mircea_popescu: so the romanians say.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's persian or something
boolcrap: popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ?
mircea_popescu: sure, why not.
boolcrap: i have nothing further to contribute to this.
boolcrap: hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it is actually. top 5 in teh world or something.
pankkake: really?
boolcrap: popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania?
pankkake: for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers
pankkake: so I supposed it was shitty
mod6: lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co.
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, it's definitely the best in the eu.
mircea_popescu: boolcrap nah.
pankkake: if you don't account for scandinavia maybe
ozbot: Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg
jborkl: pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed
mircea_popescu: yes, if you account for it.
boolcrap: what kind of line do u have at your house in romania?
mircea_popescu: that's the provider. 150mbps for like 30 bux or w/e
boolcrap: sounds amazing
mircea_popescu: o wait, 9 bux
mircea_popescu: apparently they slashed it
boolcrap: what about
boolcrap: in the country side
boolcrap: what kind of internet do they have?
mircea_popescu: this is the country side.
mircea_popescu: europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years.
mircea_popescu: there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term
deadweasel: 9 bucks! i am in prison...
mircea_popescu: deadweasel told ya.
boolcrap: theres no places where there isnt fiber run?
mod6: i used to live in the az countryside :)
mircea_popescu: boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive.
boolcrap: dam i just moved to the country
boolcrap: bad internet
boolcrap: back to 1997 speeds.
mod6: ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh
pankkake: I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that
mircea_popescu: pankkake told ya.
boolcrap: im getting about 56k down
boolcrap: how do i jerk off, no one knows
boolcrap: nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load
mod6: slowly
mircea_popescu: boolcrap so get a woman.
boolcrap: well
boolcrap: in my country i dont have a stable of women
boolcrap: like u do
mircea_popescu: builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early.
mircea_popescu: pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic.
mircea_popescu: i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania.
pankkake: most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith
pankkake: conversely, there are many romanian trackers
mircea_popescu: pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e
pankkake: either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all)
pankkake: well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed
pankkake: and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy
pankkake: the lines are built
mircea_popescu: of course.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51941 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pankkake what'd a cheater do to a torrent ?!
pankkake: my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago
pankkake: private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download
pankkake: but you can totally lie
pankkake: of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51446666 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but why do you care if they lie or not /
pankkake: each user has upload/download stats
pankkake: and you have to maintain a good ratio of those
ozbot: FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica
pankkake: the goal is to encourage sharing
mircea_popescu: this sounds to me like french bureaucracy
pankkake: haha
mircea_popescu: just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do.
pankkake: well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed
mircea_popescu: seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content
mircea_popescu: north korea is at this very moment saying the same
punkman1: the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything
punkman1: because too many people uploading
pankkake: the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!!
mircea_popescu: so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia
pankkake: the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place.
mircea_popescu: kinda meaningless to me but hey.
pankkake: I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it
punkman1: pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders?
pankkake: what do you mean?
punkman1: seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone
punkman1: yeah it's a bit twisted this logic
pankkake: the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things
pankkake: I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone
mircea_popescu: wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1291 @ 0.000225 = 0.2905 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699985 = 0.231 BTC [+]
pankkake: and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable
pankkake: wikipedians love to delete pages
mircea_popescu: only some of them.
mircea_popescu: they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying
mircea_popescu: they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3609 @ 0.000225 = 0.812 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i leech plenty
deadweasel: limit my up to 10kb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07629999 = 0.1526 BTC [-]
Duffer1: hola
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06470221 = 1.1646 BTC [-] {3}
Asa9: mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: soyuz nerushymyj,...
mircea_popescu: bessmertnykh idej kommunizma!
asciilifeform: lenin velikij nam put' ozaril...
mircea_popescu: nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!!
mircea_popescu: because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine.
mircea_popescu: so it's like... partidette leninette a la smurfette.
mircea_popescu: people tended to lol at that part.
asciilifeform: 'only the laziest won't kick a dead lion' (rus)
mircea_popescu: i guess hipsters don't either, nor rabis.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 491 @ 0.000225 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1584 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4509 @ 0.0002181 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00087063 = 24.1165 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: o pankkake whatcd :)
pankkake: which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: i barely use it anymore
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06410011 = 1.282 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06173911 = 2.5313 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.07335355 = 1.0269 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.19376446 = 1.1626 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11739 @ 0.00086772 = 10.1862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00086657 = 1.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00087448 = 7.0719 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27063 @ 0.00087468 = 23.6715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0008725 = 11.2553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0729999 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07393176 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021806 = 0.9813 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210004 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06899997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00515454 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00500738 = 0.7511 BTC [-] {4}
mod6: oh wow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00022675 = 0.4535 BTC [+]
mod6: 2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl
pankkake: well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows
punkman1: "So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?"
punkman1: i lol'd
Willdude123: What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E
Willdude123: Or did it shut
Willdude123: Are there any good books on investments I can read?
B007: yes
Asa9: the richest man in babylon
Asa9: start there
Asa9: :D
Asa9: there are many pdfs online
kakobrekla: B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts'
Willdude123: Is that not a little old?
Asa9: well what do you mean on investments?
kakobrekla: afaik preorders were just ipoed
B007: kakobrekla: oh you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: Willdude123 turned out to be a good book to read up on investments
Willdude123: So just reading what people say here?
kakobrekla: and said.
Willdude123: I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business
kakobrekla: read the contract if there is any
Willdude123: Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 457 @ 0.05586238 = 25.5291 BTC [-] {11}
kakobrekla: take the time to understand and self learn yourself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086838 = 26.9198 BTC [-]
Willdude123: kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out?
Willdude123: Do they have miners?
Jere_Jones: punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want?
punkman1: Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER
Willdude123: Well this is remarkably confusing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0008711 = 14.1989 BTC [+]
Willdude123: So it costs £12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit?
bones`: I would think successful trades?
deadweasel: i don't think he accepts £
Willdude123: Well, 30BTC then
Willdude123: Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency
bones`: Some good introductory reading:
Willdude123: The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that
ozbot: Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch
Willdude123: I think I sort of just about get it now
Willdude123: I semi-understand it
Willdude123: I'm not making a claim to understanding it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
ozbot: Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet
BingoBoingo: Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume
pankkake: 0.3BTC? WOW!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0008725 = 21.5508 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: pankkake: wait - wtf ?
asciilifeform: surely not
ozbot: OpenEx
pankkake: volume of course not price
asciilifeform: 'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.'
asciilifeform: something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-]
Vexual: resistance is futile
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: induction is irresistable
benkay: punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: bash flushed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere?
davout: or should i dig the logs?
kakobrekla: hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times
kakobrekla: but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so
davout: yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc
davout: the question is who buys it
punkman1: nobody sane
davout: punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base
davout: one of the two is unknown
kakobrekla: anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time
kakobrekla: the most irritating is the min trade fee
davout: oh yeah i heard about this one
kakobrekla: i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi
davout: ouch
kakobrekla: (they can also make this shit up)
davout: like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee?
kakobrekla: and ofc fee in that case is millions %
davout: yo
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting
davout: "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3}
davout: kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to
davout: (on bstamp)
Apocalyptic: the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified
davout: Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ?
Apocalyptic: not to my knowledge
ThickAsThieves: why isnt mpex quoting options?
ThickAsThieves: data source seems to be working fine, no?
ThickAsThieves: failed to get a quote?
davout: yea, that's kind of mysterious
ThickAsThieves: as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible?
davout: maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions
davout: maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike
ThickAsThieves: thatd be fine i guess
ThickAsThieves: if that was stated reasoning
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s
ThickAsThieves: "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such
ThickAsThieves: hypothetically speaking of course
davout: if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation
ThickAsThieves: which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more
ThickAsThieves: i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+]
ozbot: Get Konnected with The Kronies Action Figures - YouTube
davout: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00087494 = 15.3097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087465 = 5.073 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00038239 = 0.6118 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00087494 = 2.8663 BTC [+]
mod6: lol TAT, that was awesome
mod6: "oh no! I'm underwater, I need a bail out!" lmao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.0008749 = 7.8627 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: (but you can't buy them… yet)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07399999 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00087526 = 20.2185 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297571 = 0.2083 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+]
ozbot: Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
mod6: lmao
pankkake: from the looks of it, the guy ate all the bitcoins
pankkake: does it work like a piñata?
ozbot: bus.jpeg (image)
mod6: haha, magicaltux came on the lamers bus
kakobrekla: i think he runs that company too
kakobrekla: free pass!
benkay: afternoon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00087465 = 5.4228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087537 = 13.4807 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087465 = 4.2421 BTC [-]
moiety: meh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297927 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06099999 = 0.366 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00515 = 0.1288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51800001 BTC [-]
ozbot: Can Bitcoin Come Back from Multiple Hacks?: Video - Bloomberg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00087559 = 9.1061 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2207 @ 0.00087559 = 1.9324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00087563 = 4.372 BTC [+]
MisterE: ThickAsThieves: you read about the dude who flew to Tokyo to confront Gox CEO?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00022499 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087465 = 9.3588 BTC [-]
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc order book
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10224 @ 0.00087563 = 8.9524 BTC [+]
chetty: haha goxbtc, is that a new alt coin?
joecool: it's a fractional reserve currency based on bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087465 = 9.4462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087463 = 5.5976 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13051 @ 0.00021537 = 2.8108 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087463 = 8.3309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087564 = 8.4937 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00522854 = 0.4915 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 136 @ 0.00525205 = 0.7143 BTC [+] {5}
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