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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 34 @ 0.0416001 = 1.4144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00082017 = 0.6151 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why pdf ;/
asciilifeform: ask them, not me.
asciilifeform: t'were me, it'd be ascii art cover to cover.
mod6: heh. yeah, was just looking for a PDF URL to HTML/TEXT web thingy.
ozbot: dpaste: #1461271: The Unreasonable Fundamental Incertitudes
mod6: np
ozbot: LvM L&Sa - I.1.Ownership (5) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "It has very recently gained excessive
mircea_popescu: popularity"
mircea_popescu: why show bias in the first para when you're trying to play the researcher ?
mircea_popescu: "In this paper we point out that there are fundamental incertitudes which depend very strongly on the bitcoin specification and that this is specification is NOT written in stone, it is likely to change"
mircea_popescu: well, so much for having a clue.
mircea_popescu: "The energy efficiency of bitcoin miners have already been improved by a factor of about 10,000 since bitcoin have been invented, and we claim that further improvements are inevitable. Better technology is bound to be invented, would it be quantum bitcoin miners."
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, this isn't a paper. i'm not sure theverge would publish this muck.
asciilifeform: the optimization shortcuts described towards the end are quite genuine.
asciilifeform: and, imho, might be of interest to some here. hence the link.
mircea_popescu: sigh. ok, i dig
dub: theres a lot of stupid shit in there
mircea_popescu: Back then it was 256 million times easier than today to solve CISO puzzles. Many early adopters of bitcoin have made a lot of money. One of the well-known problems of bitcoin is the problem of hoarding: a substantial proportion of bitcoins in circulation is not used.
mircea_popescu: i'm half way through
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck writes like this, this is not highschool yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give a greppable string will you ?
mircea_popescu: before i get an aneurism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00575 = 0.115 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: section 9.3
mircea_popescu: "We recall from Section 6.2 that new bitcoins can be created when the miner succeeds to hash some data from the bitcoin network together with a 32-bit random nonce and"
mircea_popescu: ARBITRARY. not fucvking random
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same rthings omfgbbq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.63111363 = 6.9422 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: nothing earth-shaking. if anyone was hoping for a working 'satcoin', you'll be disappointed.
mircea_popescu: An interesting peculiarity in Bitcoin specification and source code is that hashing with full SHA-256 is applied twice. This may seem as excessive: one “secure” hash function should be sufficient. It also makes our job of optimizing bitcoin mining substantially more difficult.
mircea_popescu: yea you dorks. totally "excessive". herp.
mircea_popescu: who ARE these people.
mircea_popescu: this alleged "paper" should be hashed.
asciilifeform: not uncommon, among academic noobs, to grok the 'how' but not the 'why'.
mircea_popescu: statistically speaking it's likely to increase its meaningfullness
mircea_popescu: We can reduce the cost factor from 3.0 to 2.0 almost instantly by making the following observation. In the process of bitcoin mining the first compression function does not depend on the random nonce on 32 bits. Therefore we can compute it once every 232 nonces. On average we need
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10805 @ 0.0001399 = 1.5116 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: afaik this has been done since the fpga days right ?
asciilifeform: yeah actually even my own toy fpga miner had this one.
mircea_popescu: We basically want to force values created at rounds t = 60 and 61 to two fixed constants which come from the SHA-256 IV constants, and which would produce zeros at the output. For this most of the time we just need to compute the first 61 rounds out of 64
mircea_popescu: and we can early reject most cases. Only in 1/232 of cases we need to compute 62 rounds in the third compression function. Then only in some 1/260 of cases where we have actually obtained at least 60 zeros, we would need compute the full 64 rounds.
mircea_popescu: this actually has been discussed but not included by at least two asic developers
mircea_popescu: because it came out that all the logic needed to do this would actually increased cost and lowered efficiency of the chips
asciilifeform: interesting!
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness maybne they were braindamaged/didn't have the time to do it properly
mircea_popescu: and it may still work
mircea_popescu: still the improvements are slight. save 2.x rounds out of 64, that's a 3% gain
mircea_popescu: anyway, the c oncept of amortised cost of hashes used in efficiency of computation calculations is a sound way to go about things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00575 = 0.4658 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Overall we see that we can save 18 additions: 16 additions have a constant equal equal to zero, and 2 more additions with 0x80000000 which can be replaced by flipping one bit, the cost of which is very small (in hardware) when compared to the cost of one addition.
mircea_popescu: this actually was rejected by everyone on the grounds that it makes the stuff so easily brickable by even the slightest cosmetic changes in the "spec" (ie, code) that it's not worth it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps that call was based on the mistaken belief that asics are more durable goods than toilet paper, which has been proven not to hold.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'durable' == 'holds the magic smoke in', or in a more general sense of continued usefulness?
mircea_popescu: anyway. this article should be condensed into a two page job application with an asic producer and ditch all the "research" presumptiousness and otherwise opining.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter.
mircea_popescu: "your asics won't be useful anyway by the time anyone gets around to getting changes in that brick it"
mircea_popescu: blablablaherpderp we know shit, "Until now it has not happened because apparently only very small percentage of active mining devices were switched off on 29 November 2012."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few of the irritants in this piece are actually overall features of the 'mandatory kabuki theatre' of anglo academe.
mircea_popescu: there must be urgently implemented a pillory system in academia. the top 10% get funding, AND the bottom 10% get tgo spend a day nude with their necks in the thing.
asciilifeform: right now 'top 10%' is top 10% kabuki artists.
asciilifeform: self-graded, naturally
asciilifeform: 'self-licking icecream cone.'
mircea_popescu: yes asciilifeform , but bitcoin is here to tell academia how to do academia,
mircea_popescu: NOT for academia to tell it how to do bitcoin
asciilifeform: do anything vaguely mathematical, and these folks will be there, as surely as termites.
mircea_popescu: i suppose going forward this universal subservience of all people, institutions, mechanisms and consjiderations to bitcoin will be the hardest thing for the population to digest.
asciilifeform: not any harder, really, than 'subservience' to... electricity.
mircea_popescu: not any harder to implement
mircea_popescu: a lot harder to digest.
asciilifeform: the odd drunk still sizzles on the third rail.
mircea_popescu: unlike electricity, bitcoin has deep philosophical implications. like say, gravity
mircea_popescu: "you may not fly"
asciilifeform: 'invisible things that you can't beg forgiveness from will kill and mutilate you at a mere touch'
mircea_popescu: well... make you starve.
asciilifeform: i imagine it wasn't easy to swallow
mircea_popescu: i doubt the girl's story will actually come i nthat form to the fore.
mircea_popescu: a i see what you mean
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082014 = 8.8575 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: i was actually thinking of mains cables. but yes, that too
asciilifeform: 'the cold equations.'
mircea_popescu: no see, because the mains have good precedent in the fire.
mircea_popescu: gravity, fire, these are things that beat so many cavemen across the skull it's ancestral memory
asciilifeform: partly: fire is hot, smoky, generally won't incinerate you immediately (humans aren't all that flammable)
asciilifeform: mains cable gives no warning, and this led to quite a few incidents early on.
mircea_popescu: i guess we will likely live to see the best part of it anyway.
mircea_popescu: actually, perhaps marie curie's experience is a better example.
mircea_popescu: people certainly haven't well digested nuclear decay, yet
asciilifeform: the overall observation: the number of 'cold equations' a garden-variety human is expected to understand will... increase.
mircea_popescu: and it's nowhere nearly as important a thing.
mircea_popescu: this is true. merely being retarded is a bar constantly moving up.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why i see no future for the family of two. by the time all is said and done, living in new york today requires the pooled resources, chiefly intellectual, of about six average kids
asciilifeform: think of the various skills a modern child is taught to avoid being run down by cars.
mircea_popescu: even if they live in a sort of gay house, with a house mother, it still takes > 3
mircea_popescu: no ai yet.
mod6: ikr :[
mircea_popescu: but i can envision when we finally get ai that'll be how s.ai will sell it :
mircea_popescu: "enjoy the luxury of living alone"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63696398 = 3.8218 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.0057013 = 0.6785 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63410805 = 1.2682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082244 = 7.9777 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC
mod6: $vwap ^OIX
mpexbot: mod6: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mod6: @#$^%!!
mircea_popescu: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 206.86454175 / 206.86454175 / (2500 shares, 1,367.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.mpoe
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00081988 high: 0.00082588 low: 0.00081013 volume: 212830 btc: 174.49555227 7 day: average: 0.00083956 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.00081013 volume: 1185417 btc: 995.22742714 30 day: average: 0.00082941 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.00080585 volume: 2942358 btc: 2440.41083907
mod6: oh. hmm
mod6: thx :]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell smickles any idea why mpexbot chokes on $vwap ^OIX ? everything else works
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00239181 = 0.4544 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.235 = 0.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1700 @ 0.0001399 = 0.2378 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00082355 = 6.3825 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.25380241 = 2.538 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00577922 = 1.1732 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 250 @ 0.00105 = 0.2625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 760 @ 0.00105 = 0.798 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00597699 = 1.7931 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00570368 = 0.5704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.0057023 = 0.325 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.63 = 5.04 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 430.0, Best ask: 430.00499, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 430.0, 24 hour volume: 45474.62406800, 24 hour low: 386.10501, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 419.2816
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9810 @ 0.00082527 = 8.0959 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.18004, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.81996, Last trade: 432.0, 24 hour volume: 45739.91897719, 24 hour low: 386.10501, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 419.45582
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13794 @ 0.00082618 = 11.3963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00082901 = 30.3003 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 269561 | Current Difficulty: 5.109297380161518E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 270143 | Next Difficulty In: 582 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 592737070.549 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.01146
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0057111 = 0.2741 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00082623 = 9.5016 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7646 @ 0.00082479 = 6.3063 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2991 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081996 = 4.3458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1754 @ 0.00081996 = 1.4382 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6387 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3520 @ 0.00082204 = 2.8936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3389 @ 0.00082141 = 2.7838 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00082417 = 1.9368 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63875 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 442.6001, Best ask: 442.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.19990, Last trade: 442.8, 24 hour volume: 43693.86866745, 24 hour low: 397.1, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 423.88755
ozbot: Goodbye, America: Hosurance Edition | Chateau Heartiste
mircea_popescu: the obama ads are hysterical really
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so butthurt over how stupid they are. of course they're stupid, nobody smart voted for the guy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1478 @ 0.00082929 = 1.2257 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the ad is obv fake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2538 @ 0.0001311 = 0.3327 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: except not.
mircea_popescu: you think it is fake, and you'd think it'd have to be fake.
ThickAsThieves: it was created by an amatuer that's for sure
mircea_popescu: well, whoever was left after they hired among libertards for website coding skills.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.56061000 BTC to 1`121`220 shares, 50 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: confucius says, as bitcoin transitions from 1k to 1mn usd per it will be impossibel to discern whether usg idiocy or bitcoin coolness is pushing the change
mircea_popescu: this will be our debate all through the rest of this decade.
ThickAsThieves: looking arounf that thanksobamacare thing is not funded by taxpayers other than that the two partners that made it are nonprofits and might not pay taxes
ThickAsThieves: both claim to support access to healthcare
ThickAsThieves: so in that sense the ads probably are "real"
ThickAsThieves: but not from obama
mircea_popescu: right. they're not from obama, nor are they from tradefortress or pirate.
mircea_popescu: because that's how things work now. you can insulate yourself from anything.
mircea_popescu: i suppose corporations will catch on of this magic soon, and we'll see ads for monsanto made by shells
mircea_popescu: that then can get sued into the shit and declare bankruptcy
ThickAsThieves: i did some writing that i never finished about the concept of "badvertising", basically the concept of using and making intentionally amateurish ads to establish certain types of trust and fans
ThickAsThieves: some products/services may benefit from looking "cheap" or non-corporate etc
mircea_popescu: definitely your garden variety forum investment is working on that premise.
ThickAsThieves: when working with some nonprofits, they would pay extra for paper stock that appeared cheaper to the board and donors
ThickAsThieves: even though it costed hundreds more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1290 @ 0.0001399 = 0.1805 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: because they didnt wanna deal with people saying "if you can afford such nice brochures, why should we donate"
truffles: costed hmm
ThickAsThieves: cost, sorry
truffles: i was just gonna say yay blog
truffles: but then i was like hmm
ThickAsThieves: actually costed shows up
truffles: shows up where?
ThickAsThieves: glossy paper is of course cheaper then similar quality uncoated paper, supply & demand
truffles: not sure it was used rite though
ThickAsThieves: it's the grammar and spelling that is most important in communicating with others
ThickAsThieves: as long as you missed the point, we're good
truffles: haha
truffles: when/if such blog does occur id like to be in the know :)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what are you on about ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.2 = 1.2 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: just talking too much, dont mind me
firedrops: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 437.1, Best ask: 441.45498, Bid-ask spread: 4.35498, Last trade: 441.46499, 24 hour volume: 43185.07471663, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 424.97586
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62343333 = 1.8703 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: met a girl last night claiming she gets 12 local fiat units to the microshitbuck. my first thought was "well obviously this is from your 'boyfriend' who is actually just giving you a great rate because hey hm how much for a blowjob honey?"
mircea_popescu: no, actually it's about what you get for dollars there, if you're not a gringo
benkay: and *then* i started thinking 'oh shit the blue dollar has to be depressed relative to the actual demand'
benkay: no way would actual traders let that metric reflect reality
mircea_popescu: your girl is just getting the raw deal
benkay: hey man i'm new at this
mircea_popescu: both in the sheets and at the booth.
benkay: so now i gotta teach her about bitcoin
benkay: either that or come back a bunch.
truffles: what if she has a mouth sore benkay
ThickAsThieves: G.ASICMINER/AM100 Share Transfer & Conversion Services - Deadlines Extended: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3580309#msg3580309
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62310001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.635 = 8.255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00589491 = 1.7685 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6231 = 1.8693 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 6500 @ 0.00011999 = 0.7799 BTC [+] {4}
truffles: magic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 6926 @ 0.00013 = 0.9004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0057201 = 0.4004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.042 = 0.294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.25000003 = 1 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.2484 = 1.242 BTC [-] {5}
firedrops: gribble could pass a turing test in the future?
truffles: would be amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
firedrops: nanotoob o_O
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.24333335 = 1.46 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6231 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.04141 = 0.2071 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0010402 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.0008297 = 8.3385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0057112 = 0.6282 BTC [-] {2}
firedrops: any bitfinex users want to give me your referrer code? i'm sure you get somethign for it
firedrops: i'm about ot sign up
firedrops: i'll give it a bit to see if anyone wants to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00574032 = 0.5568 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4939 @ 0.000139 = 0.6865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 998 @ 0.00024986 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04141 = 0.8282 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 82 @ 0.04165459 = 3.4157 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.13499999 = 2.565 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 725 @ 0.000139 = 0.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.633 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+]
jurov: so, ukyo is apparently holding bitcoins hostage since nov 5 , if not earlier
kakobrekla: BITCOIN TERRORIST!
jurov: Should have coded my own diff futures exchange instead of these btct/bf trouble.
kakobrekla: cant you do it on coinbr?
jurov: yes, but coinbr does not have trade engine
jurov: after all this shit it likely will.
kakobrekla: well all things concidered, you only need two cans and a string to do it
jurov: yeah, doing a select * from orders b, orders s where ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1152 @ 0.0001345 = 0.1549 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001345 = 0.4035 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: just write all orders in db then run cron once a minute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16101 @ 0.00083 = 13.3638 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.0022021 = 1.4534 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 645 @ 0.00104019 = 0.6709 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 433 @ 0.00213013 = 0.9223 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00212501 = 0.425 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 783 @ 0.00104018 = 0.8145 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00211314 = 0.56 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: yeah, an match them by grep and awk
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.5368% in 3d 4h 45m 58s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00571857 = 0.2459 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1060 @ 0.00206967 = 2.1939 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00200001 = 0.2 BTC [-]
benkay: jurov kakobrekla u guise so funny
jurov: fun is survival necessity in this environment
nubbins`: so i printed a logo on my favourite sweater last night
nubbins`: ran it through the dryer
nubbins`: the hood was all bunched up, and i scorched holes in it :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0010402 = 0.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00200001 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.24500004 = 6.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1096 @ 0.002 = 2.192 BTC [-] {4}
firedrops: that sucks, nubs
firedrops: how's your dryer? didn't get splotched with the logo?
nubbins`: nah, only damage was to the hood
jurov: the logo will get copied to everything he'll dry from now on
nubbins`: it's a conveyor dryer, the logo gets placed on a belt facing up towards a heating element
firedrops: so a toaster?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00570493 = 0.8557 BTC [-] {5}
lurkwingduck: Domino's Pizza oven ;)
firedrops: Ding! your logo is hot and fresh!
nubbins`: pretty much the same idea
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1215 @ 0.00195652 = 2.3772 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14610 @ 0.00013989 = 2.0438 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 280 @ 0.00567247 = 1.5883 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: not a big deal, the hood has a lining. but still. gonna look pretty ratty next time i wash it
firedrops: hardcore holes
firedrops: sell it as a defekt item, 75% off!
firedrops: or send it to me, I like hoodies with holes.
nubbins`: nah, it's still pretty rad looking
nubbins`: i'm gonna keep it
firedrops: toast some more, sell them and 2x as 'Worn Look'
firedrops: emo kids love that shit
nubbins`: "distressed print"
nubbins`: aka "i couldn't be bothered to learn how to print properly"
nubbins`: "so i add grunge texture to all my source images to cover up my poor technique"
firedrops: learning by fails is also learning.
firedrops: just expensive and time consuming.
nubbins`: oh look, a new version of xquartz
nubbins`: firedrops, i learned much by many fails
nubbins`: to not fail is the exception for the first ~2 years of any craft
nubbins`: most people don't get past that stage before giving up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0019 = 0.228 BTC [-]
firedrops: must enjoy the fails for their gifts
nubbins`: you learn quickly when each fail costs you $$, too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1024 @ 0.00184927 = 1.8937 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: can't the hood be replaced?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3560 @ 0.00171432 = 6.103 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: beyond my skill level, pascale might be able to
jurov: lol worn look... "oh previous owner got jailed for arson"
nubbins`: it's my own personal garment, about 6 months old
nubbins`: i'll prolly just keep it as-is
nubbins`: jurov, lel
nubbins`: "i picked this up at a police auction"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00171003 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: oh this reminds me i have my nsa shirts at post office
jurov: brb
nubbins`: oh great! kako got his yesterday
asciilifeform: got mine yesterday.
nubbins`: how's the fit?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: good fit. thanks
nubbins`: great
firedrops: dammit I missed the shirts.
firedrops: who's got the design link?
ozbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: modelled by yours truly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083 = 2.739 BTC [+]
firedrops: thanks
firedrops: love that design, it didn't chagne from original then?
nubbins`: flipped the rj-45 horizontally to match the perspective of the hand
nubbins`: otherwise unchanged
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 256 @ 0.0055006 = 1.4082 BTC [-] {7}
firedrops: good change, it did look a little funny
nubbins`: so my straight-laced roomie comes up to me last night and says "i want to buy $2k worth of bitcoin! can you help me?!"
nubbins`: mild surprise on my end
nubbins`: rest of the evening was peppered with periodic price updates
nubbins`: "it's at 406 now! aaah!" "i know"
firedrops: hahaha
firedrops: shoulda let him wait for the bounce
nubbins`: the man was insistent!
nubbins`: in fairness, i did fill him with a healthy dose of paranoia
firedrops: good, also who knows where the bounce is... i don't.
dexX7: if he's in for the longer game, now is still a good time to buy
firedrops: yup.
nubbins`: he said ~5+ years
firedrops: then hell yes
firedrops: buy all now, sell your car, buy into btc, take the bus.
nubbins`: s/bus/bike
nubbins`: anyway, carl sagan's 79th birthday would have been november 9
nubbins`: just a couple of days before btc hit $420
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8333 @ 0.0001399 = 1.1658 BTC [+]
firedrops: good quote. so glad to be in a reasonable state. got my medical card. thank jebus, no more stressin'.
nubbins`: hey, congrats
nubbins`: sagan's final interview: http://youtu.be/jod7v-m573k
jurov: the xl one fits very well
nubbins`: great!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00083 = 1.909 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6234 = 3.7404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1612 @ 0.0001399 = 0.2255 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the neck tags also rip off very easily and cleanly, if you wish to do so
jurov: looking forward to stick or slush seeing it :DDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62303333 = 1.8691 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: pity the second on is M.. don't know a female that would like to wear it (maybe a child, but... dunno about parental approval)
nubbins`: bring it to a bar the next time you go out ;)
nubbins`: heck, sell it! it's yours, you can do whatever you want with it
jurov: i promised to give it to wao, my partner in crime.. but he's got even bigger frame :(
wao-ender: wop wop
wao-ender: oh, bnb shirts?
wao-ender: oh, s.nsa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23000 @ 0.00014 = 3.22 BTC [+]
nubbins`: you could always sew it onto a sweater like a crust-punk
jurov: lol
wao-ender: v0v, someone already selling real-estate for bitcoins
wao-ender: at our republic.
kakobrekla: nubbins` dat male or female?
jurov: i bet F.. let's submit it to bitbet :D
kakobrekla: bbet will also cover to fly that person to slovenia so i can verify sex rite
jurov: mybe it's mpoe-pr before she met mircea
jurov: so no flying necessary
kakobrekla: why, she can come anyway
jurov: ofc
kakobrekla: just to be sure mp didnt miss anything
nubbins`: kako, female
nubbins`: neck too skinny for male
jurov: and too small boobs from mpoe-pr
kakobrekla: is that a man purse on her head?
jurov: *for
kakobrekla: a tiny one
kakobrekla: a tiny european man purse on the head
jurov: no, pilot goggles
jurov: or upcoming nokia clone of google glass
kakobrekla: i dont recognize that even now that you are telling me its that
kakobrekla: i see leather
nubbins`: dark brown lenses
nubbins`: they're shiny!
kakobrekla: dont see it
nubbins`: the arms curl around her ears
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00082882 = 5.4288 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: anyway, theres more important stuff to do than discussing this supposedly eyeglasses
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.99999, Best ask: 439.495, Bid-ask spread: 2.49501, Last trade: 439.49999, 24 hour volume: 36484.24670188, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.25036
Diablo-D3: COME ON
Diablo-D3: GO FASTER
nubbins`: just got mail from the mint!
ThickAsThieves: Reggie And The Full Effect – No Country For Old Musicians, nice album title
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 424 @ 0.00550881 = 2.3357 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: my first colored coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.623 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "To clear it, you can contact the operator of the list and say, hello, here I am, I am innocent and if anyone wants to follow up and talk to me, here's how. Then the outputs are unmarked from that point onwards. For instance, this process could be automated and also built into the wallet."
asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder if i'm secretly responsible for this turd.
nubbins`: oh god
nubbins`: so much for fungible
Kleeck_: Is fungible pronounced like "fungus" or like "gif"?
Kleeck_: as far as the "g" phoentic
asciilifeform: i've been told that others had similar ideas long before, though.
kakobrekla: the basic idea is known as long as bitcoin exists
Kleeck_: ok
nubbins`: fuck the bitcoin foundation
Kleeck_: j as in gif got it
nubbins`: i use "guh" for gif :(
Kleeck_: haha
Kleeck_: lots do
nubbins`: BECAUSE EACH ONE IS A TINY PRESENT
Kleeck_: it's wrong, but it makes more sense
ThickAsThieves: jif sounds stupid
ThickAsThieves: plus its peanut butter
nubbins`: heh, this ^
kakobrekla: you merricans are silly.
Kleeck_: ^ I work with hardcore nerds. I have to say it right or get stuck in a conversation about WHY its pronounced "jif"
nubbins`: "the highlight is only informational"
nubbins`: lelelel
nubbins`: "we totally won't use this to control the money supply"
nubbins`: Kleeck_: start rhyming it with "wife"
asciilifeform: we're due for a rerun of the '90s 'key escrow' wars, this time with btc.
nubbins`: we need a bitcoin unfoundation
ThickAsThieves: who's tracking the gift card dollars?
nubbins`: we need a gyftlist to keep track
ThickAsThieves: of who's naughty and nice
nubbins`: yeah
pankkake: I propose the Bitcoin Fundament
nubbins`: i don't want to accept money from naughty people
nubbins`: for some reason
nubbins`: it's "bad money" or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.623 = 2.492 BTC [-]
nubbins`: bbl, gotta get mobility kibs @ the vet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.623 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 11461 @ 0.00104 = 11.9194 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4969 @ 0.0001345 = 0.6683 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: USG better spend the silk road coins before they get tagged as drug money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
imsaguy: they won't implement tagged coins
asciilifeform: none of you fellows ever lived through a currency devaluation, have you.
asciilifeform: gov. asks for X oldcoins for Y newcoins.
asciilifeform: normally X>Y, and with 'limit per customer.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00574277 = 0.1034 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: and the world is a better place?
asciilifeform: 'we do what we must, because we can.'
asciilifeform: i've been wondering why a state-sponsored crackpot (key escrowed, etc.) altcoin has been so long in coming.
firedrops: paralyzed by fear.
firedrops: no history to guide them.
ThickAsThieves: where has all the history gone?
firedrops: general incompetence and minunderstanding of the whole concept?
asciilifeform: only a matter of time before the furher picks up the microphone and asks 'gimme your btc, get bitdollars you can pay tax with!'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9909 @ 0.0001345 = 1.3328 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2120 @ 0.0010401 = 2.205 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'we'll throw those dirty btc into the sun, really.'
firedrops: truly a btc rocket
asciilifeform: they'll 'declassify' (or 'leak') documents 'proving' that btc was an nsa trial run for bitdollar
asciilifeform: 'you read it here 1st!'
Kleeck_: "bitdollar" LOL
asciilifeform: replace 'bitdollar' with 'amero', for extra conspiratorial spice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.00067, Best ask: 437.77999, Bid-ask spread: 2.77932, Last trade: 435.00067, 24 hour volume: 35828.36625254, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.6106
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.622368 = 6.2237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62221 = 3.1111 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082883 = 3.3982 BTC [+]
Defiler_: Has anyone tried logging in to bitfunder today?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083 = 8.0925 BTC [+]
imsaguy: nope, why?
Defiler_: Got an SSL warning
imsaguy: yeah, known issue
jefito: haxxed
Defiler_: Oh I see. I actually came in here because I have a question hopefully someone can answer. I have a couple asicminer fractional shares on bitfunder and dont know if or how I can transfer them. It's not enough for a full direct share. Anyone know of a procedure?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14200 @ 0.00013999 = 1.9879 BTC [+] {4}
imsaguy: FC only does whole shares, so you'll have to move them to havelock or sell them.
Defiler_: I was looking to transfer them to havelock. Do I have to email someone or is there a way to do this myself?
imsaguy: kakobrekla ^
imsaguy: or is it ThickAsThieves ^
imsaguy: I forget
Defiler_: So they would have to do it for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.62220583 = 7.4665 BTC [-] {2}
imsaguy: you send them the shares on bitfunder, they give you the shares on HL
Defiler_: I see. Thanks, that helps. I'll contact them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30300 @ 0.00014 = 4.242 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6710 @ 0.0001489 = 0.9991 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14490 @ 0.00014183 = 2.0551 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25647 @ 0.00014 = 3.5906 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8938 @ 0.00014002 = 1.2515 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2954 @ 0.00014 = 0.4136 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 24006 @ 0.00014 = 3.3608 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6567 @ 0.00013775 = 0.9046 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3044 @ 0.00013355 = 0.4065 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3280 @ 0.00014 = 0.4592 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6339 = 1.2678 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: how dare you mixing up that shit imsaguy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.00013689 = 0.2122 BTC [-] {4}
topace_: kakobrekla: are you filtering some assbot output? #havelockinvestments seems to get more data than #bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: yes sub 0.1 btc lines get muted here
topace_: ahh gotcha
kakobrekla: #bitcoin-assets-trades has the full output if you need it
topace_: naa dont need it
topace_: was just curious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6339 BTC [+]
topace_: i was waiting on a comment on [13:14:07] <assbot> [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 1 @ 0.0455 BTC
topace_: for people to go "HMF" WTF IS THAT
topace_: HIM--->HMF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6339 = 1.9017 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7100 @ 0.00014 = 0.994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.1376895 = 1.3769 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 306 @ 0.00552938 = 1.692 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.00540302 = 0.7078 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2663 @ 0.00014 = 0.3728 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 993 @ 0.00014 = 0.139 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 451 @ 0.00104 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00014 = 0.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62221 = 1.8666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3414 @ 0.00014 = 0.478 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.13825714 = 0.9678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00578609 = 0.1041 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6600 @ 0.00014 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24966 @ 0.00082997 = 20.721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00550001 = 0.2035 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so, people are waiting for 3weeks+ for buttfunder withdrawals and still getting nothing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1445 @ 0.00014 = 0.2023 BTC [+]
ozbot: HTTP 2.0 May Be SSL-Only - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4243 @ 0.00083 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
firedrops: somehow I have exactly 2 shares of ActiveMining on there. I don't recall purchasing any shares, much less $.25 worth..
firedrops: oh well. at least no btc left there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.22500456 = 1.35 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.222 = 0.666 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.2212271 = 2.6547 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.22000001 = 0.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00082676 = 10.7479 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.1509375 = 1.2075 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <benkay> jurov kakobrekla u guise so funny
kakobrekla: see what you did there
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: is bitfunder insolvent?
thestringpuller: what's the news on that?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: maybe he kept the monies at inputs?
firedrops: ukyo *might* be according to forum FUD, but nothing tangible other than delays
thestringpuller: isn't there a bitbet involving the downfall of bitfunder?
thestringpuller: money to be made on people's tears
thestringpuller: always the best kind
firedrops: don't see it
firedrops: although if icbit could go down in the next 30days.....
thestringpuller: the rise and fall of bitfunder lol
thestringpuller: isn't that where TaT was helping with an IPO for a cypress bitcoin bank?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082638 = 6.7763 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 206.86454175 / 206.86454175 / (2500 shares, 1,367.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
mike_c: it's in there, trust us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014 = 0.28 BTC [+]
firedrops: asciilifeform: I love that one! the shit in the US is all hollow.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00019 / 0.00022021 / 0.000235 (33901 shares, 7.47 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00010106 / 0.000235 (4129485 shares, 417.37 BTC)
firedrops: tugnsten covered with gold flake
asciilifeform: how many people even know that it is entirely possible (and inexpensive) to assay gold bars non-destructively.
firedrops: ultrasonic is the standard, no?
asciilifeform: firedrops: right.
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 15000
gribble: A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 16240322.2079 USD and would take the last price up to 4999.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1082.6881 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0064 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 15000
gribble: A market order to sell 15000 bitcoins right now would net 5541019.2801 USD and would take the last price down to 312.1220 USD, resulting in an average price of 369.4013 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 22.1902 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 150000
gribble: A market order to sell 150000 bitcoins right now would net 22812730.5306 USD and would take the last price down to 27.0600 USD, resulting in an average price of 152.0849 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 29.2497 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 1500000
gribble: A market order to sell 1500000 bitcoins right now would net 23812182.4339 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0010 USD, resulting in an average price of 15.8748 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 42.0239 seconds
firedrops: sell'em!
firedrops: i'll take $15/btc again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00082922 = 6.4679 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3570 @ 0.00014 = 0.4998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13900 @ 0.00014 = 1.946 BTC [+]
ozbot: This is a video of a dolphin masturbating with a decapitated fish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00191 = 0.4775 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3400 @ 0.00014 = 0.476 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla - i bought two of those monitors you linked the other day, already arrived. Looks great so far, no missing pixels that I can see either.
ThickAsThieves: the second one will be used in a new system to replace a 27" imac
kakobrekla: o nice.
ThickAsThieves: so i'll compare sid eby side next week
kakobrekla: did you get the matte one?
kakobrekla: well someone on the chan was asking how it was
kakobrekla: i think it was dexX7
ThickAsThieves: the pedastal is a little janky
dexX7: mom i'm on the phone atm
ThickAsThieves: but it stays in place, if not easily movable
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they make those with multiple arms, btw
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 425.171, Best ask: 428.39499, Bid-ask spread: 3.22399, Last trade: 428.29995, 24 hour volume: 34620.39393019, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.0124
kakobrekla: i know
Diablo-D3: Ive seen ones that can hold 6 27/30" monitors
Diablo-D3: dont see the point though
Diablo-D3: 4 32" 4ks would be more than enough
Diablo-D3: er, 3 of those
kakobrekla: moar pixels is better, just like moar shares is better.
ThickAsThieves: cheap hamburgers!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00014 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3873 @ 0.00083 = 3.2146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00082583 = 3.7988 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00191 = 0.1891 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62220001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62220001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 309 @ 0.00191 = 0.5902 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1149 @ 0.00014 = 0.1609 BTC [+]
pigeons: cute, supernode has been released from the asylum and is back on the insane/inane asylum/forum of the tubes
dexX7: ah thanks ThickAsThieves. how's the quality? do you have the impression of "cheap asian trash"?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 426.99999, Best ask: 428.67688, Bid-ask spread: 1.67689, Last trade: 430.0, 24 hour volume: 33899.16541206, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 428.68
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 399 @ 0.00578446 = 2.308 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 937 @ 0.00013002 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00578746 = 0.6077 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2687 @ 0.00189903 = 5.1027 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00226 = 0.226 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00578809 = 0.3183 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057881 = 0.2894 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62220002 = 1.8666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1070 @ 0.00014 = 0.1498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0057881 = 0.1216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1242 @ 0.00578843 = 7.1892 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.62220001 = 7.4664 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17832 @ 0.00083004 = 14.8013 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2597 @ 0.0008286 = 2.1519 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: does it take bitcoins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18759 @ 0.0001396 = 2.6188 BTC [+] {3}
dub: no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 65105 @ 0.00014 = 9.1147 BTC [+]
mike_c: "starts shipping summer 2014". riight.
dub: well
pankkake: you just need to swipe your debit cards and it can act like it?
pankkake: I knew those cards weren't secure, but really?
dub: well, all of my bank cards are chipped/NFC now
Namworld: Some people can clone your cards just by passing a device over your pocket
dub: just I think all the requesite data is still in teh mag stripe
dub: s/just/but
mike_c: No, you add your cards through their mobile app
dub: and attached card skimmer
Namworld: yes, all data is still on the mag stripe even with the darn chip as far as I know.
Namworld: So buy that coin thing, receive 1 card skimmer?
Namworld: That's totally not going to cause any issues at all.
dub: but yes, your pin is an has always been the only 'security' applied
dub: hence card skimming folks need a camera or fake keypad inline with teh skimmer
dub: krebs did a peice on this recently quite clever some of the shit these guys come up with
Namworld: I've seen that. Skimmers that can be inserted in ATM slot, with small cam looking at keypad
ozbot: All About Skimmers — Krebs on Security
Namworld: Well not the krebs thing but similar I guess.
dub: somw of them are a skin that fits over teh entire atm
dub: interfacing with it to actually draw your cash out too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.26099997 = 1.305 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I always try very hard to remove the card slot to check for skimmers. never encountered one yet :(
dub: my approach is to earn too much to notice incedental theft
dub: the banks insurance takes care of major shit
dub: was looking at a statement yesterday and found some shithole corner store and charged $105 for a $5 item
dub: cannot find a given fuck to pursue it
mike_c: 0.25 btc!
towski: is anyone investing in CBTC
towski: or is the bitcoin casino market too saturated
Namworld: Apparently there is people investing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083012 = 7.139 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
towski: that is reassuring
asciilifeform: the magstripe widget will be hacked (in the positive sense) and someone will build the illicit but intensely necessary gadget i described a year ago.
firedrops: describe moar
asciilifeform: (where people load up cards and sell the complete stripe data on a 'silk road' of sorts)
firedrops: ah, tks
asciilifeform: then write it to a card
firedrops: it would make carders lives much easier
firedrops: wipe it if the cops come
asciilifeform: solves the btc to fiat issue, at least until the cops drag you away
asciilifeform: (when you end up using a stolen card #)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00014 = 0.21 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: the lives of 'carders' are already quite easy. they buy blank cards (sold by the kilo on ebay, quite openly) and magstripe writer ($50 or so.)
asciilifeform: the likely outcome is, this will be the nudge that pushes the americans (and any other holdovers) into some sort of 'smart card' affair
asciilifeform: (of course passive rfid is even easier to clone. no need to take a suspicious-looking widget out of your wallet, either.)
firedrops: thieves errywhere
pankkake: I already have a rfid debit card. no choice given
firedrops: you could change banks
firedrops: or smash it?
pankkake: I'd like to smash my bank, yes
firedrops: lol, ditto
nubbins`: lel, acquaintance posts house-for-sale ad on facebook
nubbins`: me: "hey, i know that house, they found a golf bag full of dirty needles when they raided it"
nubbins`: "it's in the hood"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.1151055 BTC [-]
nubbins`: acquaintance deletes post, re-posts ad with "my friend is selling her house"
TomServo: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00014 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.1151051 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00014 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 189 @ 0.00563422 = 1.0649 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 50000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16457.932 bitcoins, for a total of 705343476.0952 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;market sell 50000
gribble: A market order to sell 50000 bitcoins right now would net 14052175.5822 USD and would take the last price down to 196.3171 USD, resulting in an average price of 281.0435 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.2971 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;calc .03 * 500
ozbot: 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 481 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.6820% in 2d 19h 30m 29s
davout: ;;market sell 1000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 419251.4911 USD and would take the last price down to 413.2111 USD, resulting in an average price of 419.2515 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0002 seconds
Kleeck_: Hey guys, I'm coming up with a new tool called KleeckCoin that will color your coin all shades of Kleeck when they pass through one of my wallets. Some people will value Kleeck coins more because I'm awesome. Some people will think they're worth less.
Kleeck_: Am I a genius yet?!
thestringpuller: does it suck my cock?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014 = 0.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2000 @ 0.0010313 = 2.0626 BTC [-] {17}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform poor germany. all its gold stolen yet again.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.001026 = 0.513 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Milton Friedman - Socialism vs. Capitalism - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00102513 = 0.5126 BTC [-] {6}
mike_c: not much of an achievement to pwn donahue, but still fun to watch :)
mircea_popescu: the thing is, much in the style of marauding retards, they will gleefully ignore it and continue.
mircea_popescu: "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no" "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no." "mommy, can i have cake ?" "no you obese slob with the spine of an amoeba, stfu" "mommy, can i have cake ?"
mike_c: ah, but eventually you can elect a mommy that does give you cake.
mike_c: and then you end up with..
ozbot: French Tax Soars Over 100% - Forbes
mircea_popescu: lol pankkake how;s that working out for you
mircea_popescu: so basically france is folding up as a going concern.
benkay: far right looks like fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.199999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and cookies.
benkay: i'll raisin d'etre her cookie
mircea_popescu: by the way :
mircea_popescu: "The Central Intelligence Agency is secretly collecting bulk records of international money transfers handled by companies like Western Union "
benkay: i figured they just recorded everything on WU systems.
benkay: hey so how are the plans for cardano-style wallet hardware coming along?
benkay: tArGetBiTcoInAdDrEsSs123454|1.99999999 into specific dir
benkay: mount, unmount
benkay: <transaction for submission to network appears on re-mounted drive>
benkay: derp: unmount, remount
benkay: :(
nubbins`: derp
mircea_popescu: wallets need the blockchain
benkay: not an insurmountable thing
nubbins`: neither is putting something into orbit
mircea_popescu: whoa look at cisco figures
mircea_popescu: they got creamed.
mircea_popescu: since the backdoor was reported it's been what, a month ? current quarter dropped 10%, that means 30% since the news.
mircea_popescu: in russia it was 30% so they lost 90% of marketshare there.
mircea_popescu: 3/4 in brazil
mircea_popescu: cisco is pretty much fucking bankrupt now.
nubbins`: good riddance
KRS1: damn..they used to be a good company
nubbins`: a dollar used to be an ounce of silver ;)
mircea_popescu: they did use to be a good company.
KRS1: wtf happened? Poorly managed to death or wtf?
KRS1: I haven't been watching.
KRS1: maybe they rested on their laurels?
mircea_popescu: KRS1 it came to light they put a nsa backdoor in one product line
KRS1: and that killed a company like cisco..damn..thats some drama.
benkay: your business is making hardware in networks
benkay: it comes to light that using your hardware generally compromises networks on which it's deployed
benkay: "o hai we build nuke rods"
benkay: "they go supercritical 2 years after purchase"
benkay: "u wants?"
KRS1: Nay..but damn..they were bigger than the beatles.
KRS1: harsh competition..a number of other forces catch up..ya i guess i can see it.
ozbot: Two business ideas for missing arms pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: possibly one of my better articles.
KRS1: Hmm.
Namworld: cisco > Beatles, Beatles > Jesus, Jesus > cisco
Namworld: We have a new rock paper scissor variant. Thanks KRS1.
KRS1: HAH
KRS1: Its been a number of years since I was a network engineer..who's got the juice now?
nubbins`: that's a lot of lead-up for a punch line, but i lel'd
mircea_popescu: i tend to work the girls up for a long time before they may cum.
nubbins`: well, i keep reading, don't i?
mircea_popescu: so you do.
Namworld: OP : Coming up with business ideas for the handicapped.
Namworld: MP : That IS what I do. I’m involved in Bitcoin you know?
nubbins`: don't spoil it
TomServo: KRS1: Let's not get carried away. They lost a little over 10%. They still make good (great?) hardware.
nubbins`: tsa-approved luggage locks are "great" too
KRS1: I'm gonna read up about it thanks TomServo
KRS1: I think their hardware was tops, rivaled motorola even.
KRS1: Sorry not was-is..its just been a while since I've worked with their products.
mircea_popescu: TomServo 10% on the quarter.
mircea_popescu: if you sell 10 dollar's worth of hamburgers a day, and then one day it comes out that your hamburgers have e coli in them, and then the next day your week ends and you only made 60 dollars
mircea_popescu: it means your sales just went -100%
mircea_popescu: ok so this happens to be the fucking tits. obama just gave the 1 year obamacare delay that the house wanted a month ago. except by now it's too fucking late, and as a result of his inept dickery 5mn unfortunate fucks are left without coverage as they were already cancelled.
mircea_popescu: except 100% moreso now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.634 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000139 = 0.139 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00565926 = 0.3452 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.634 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.63477973 = 43.165 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1415 @ 0.00105095 = 1.4871 BTC [+] {6}
ozbot: Russian lawmaker wants to outlaw U.S. dollar, calls it a Ponzi scheme - Washington Times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 951 @ 0.00105099 = 0.9995 BTC [-] {2}
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