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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was thinking dips
mircea_popescu: item could have a certain artful oldschool-cool air about it, if the key was dips.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i considered it, yrs ago, but imho it has serious minuses in the field
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is true.
mircea_popescu: can it take normal kbd then ?
asciilifeform: ( where 'normal' is ps/2 say )
mircea_popescu: well... keyin pw every bootup, i guess.
asciilifeform: was how i pictured it.
asciilifeform: tbf in principle you dun need kbd, at minimum, only 1 char 'eye hole' and left/right/enter button set
mircea_popescu: takes too long. just type a pw, what.
asciilifeform: ( usg's locks work this way, one of their few sane techs, 1980s vintage. thing starts each new char at random init value, too, so peeker dun see anyffin useful from the side )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea being that one could enter pw even with other folx ( in e.g. restaurant ) looking on.
mircea_popescu: this is so not the usercase...
asciilifeform: specifically it, no. but, say, using in a room where windows without blackout tape , possible use case.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the ~usecase is where dorks think they have a right to look into your bags because you are crossing a "border".
mircea_popescu: "make every bag a diplomatic bag" sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: "color their bits", the 2019 version of 1970s "grab 'em by the pussy."
mircea_popescu: all this will result in so much yadda, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: i have 0 expectation it will do anythingf besides create a lot of idle wank in "law enforcement" circles.
asciilifeform: btw i'll add, nobody with half a brain would cross idjit ameri-border with device + card. 1 or the other at a time.
asciilifeform: 'sure look at this box' 'go ahead, feel free to anally insert this card'
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of proverbial, rather than the actual one, for some reason the actual border has ~0 interest in asciilifeform's cargo , to date, was almost disappointing. . 100x moar poking' and prodding' in orcistans this far, for asciilifeform )
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=67 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/22/2018
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz they figure "you'll lead them to the terror cell" or some such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: (yes, there is a do-not-disturb list, also, where they put people mostly for the above stated reason (it "wouldn't be fair" to put the inca elite on it, CORRUPTION!!!). as evidenced in these very logs, the process is just as trivially hackable as any other piece of imperial software -- asciilifeform gets the benefit of being a kronprinz without having as much as met this AllMother (and while bemoaning the whole time the unfai
mircea_popescu: rness of life in general and etcetera). because hey, whynot.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, dun even need to be kronprinz, you pay fiddibux or i fughet how much it was
asciilifeform subscribed, worx, to date, a+++
mircea_popescu: nope, not at all.
mircea_popescu: this is the other one. just about the only way to get on it is to be a potential "embarassment" in the sense of, "we X are following this guy, why are you Y letting him know".
asciilifeform: i can picture
asciilifeform: ( i was speaking of the lul where they give you a subscription that opens the no-customs door on the way back ~into~ reich )
asciilifeform: ( tho theoretically even these get occasional sonderbehandlung 'pour encourager les autres' )
mircea_popescu: cuz the correlate of "french secret services accidentally sms terror suspect" is necessarily SOME KIND OF LIST. cuz that's how you build an empire, you make lists.
asciilifeform: from what i can tell, their entire concept of 'terror suspect' is a hardcoded enumeration of largely accidental/stylistic features, e.g. 'bearded camel fucker', 'weev', 'loud activist'
mircea_popescu: whole empire is a collection of superficialities. "car" is defined similarily.
mircea_popescu: or "rapper" or "businessman" or whatever yo upick.
mircea_popescu: women, right ? built themselves the femstate, magically don't understand why a) it dun work and b) nobody likes them still.
asciilifeform: the concept of 'terror cell' that has 1-800 pnoje also, i suspect, throws the gears out of alignment. 'but where is the seekrit inner one, where they mix sarin', i expect, is the eternal itch.
mircea_popescu: hey, let them grow tits come over.
asciilifeform: 'wtf, where is the plutonium in this suitcase, all derp has is buncha 1u's'
mircea_popescu: no, no, it's still for the plutonium-sarin.
mircea_popescu: see alf, your eternal "IT IS JUST A TRICK" works both ways lmao.
asciilifeform: evidently
asciilifeform: 1 factor is that usa is mega-travel hub, so extensive derping with erry suitcase is impractical ( queue is slow enuff from the bush-era 'bright idea' of inspecting shoes ). reportedly in e.g. israel they try to do the 'copy erry disk' thing, there it is at least roughly practical in re traffic volume
mircea_popescu: more power to 'em. i always carried rsa'd dumps.
asciilifeform: e.g. the outer seals of the trunks with the 1u's, were popped, and the pieces helpfully taped to a 'this crate inspected for the motherland' receipt inside ( inner seals intact, lol )
mircea_popescu: well yes, but security theatre is specifically there to give some spam fliers the appearance of a loftiness they do not merit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a little tricky to ~boot~ from rsa dump, with bare hands, tho
mircea_popescu: "oh, this piece of paper ? VERY!!!! different from what buskers/joefish/.whatever hand out. THIS ONE HANDED OUT BY BLUE USG!!! BIGGEST THING IN IMPORTANCE!"
mircea_popescu: course, pointing out to them they all say the same thing... also throws wheels into gears or how did it went. as eminently evinced by http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/#selection-331.0-331.255 and such
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they not simply 'say same thing', it's a form letter, not even rubber stamped but initial'd by some monkey
asciilifeform: ( unlike ye olde su, usg has a shortage of fancy rubber stamps , for some reason )
mircea_popescu: "wait, what do you mean we're just another spammer vying for your attention with all the others ?!?! but we don't tape papers to trees, we tape them to luggage insides!!! GOTTA COUNT FOR SOMETHING!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz emancipated nation of africa rubber producers ? nfi.
asciilifeform: there is, for instance, an Official cap on benjies, iirc 10k. but nobody ever counted'em in any usg airport i've been to, for so long as they fit in wallet
asciilifeform: or, say, woman's purse, nobody ever searches, they poke inside with a ceremonial stick.
asciilifeform: or could go on, but there's too many of these and they aint particularly interesting to catalogue
asciilifeform: the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue
asciilifeform: ( on rare occasions -- in airplane just prior to take-off, it makes for convenient ad-hoc jail )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/alt-twitter-gab-loses-kicked-off-hosting-services/ << Qntra - Alt-Twitter Gab Loses Kicked Off Hosting Services
asciilifeform wishes the derps a smooth trip into the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 rubbish bin
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Weev and Anglin are still scraping by as best as they can https://dailystormer.name/rabbi-at-tree-of-life-cut-a-jew-babys-penis-off-in-2013/
asciilifeform: usg.dept-of-kompyooting unification chugging along, eh
asciilifeform: reminiscent of banks in the '08 times
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, except for manufactering, because Obama said you can't do that in US-istan. Hence Lenovo getting IBMThink and Global Foundries getting all of IBM's fab work
asciilifeform: all that remains is for ibm to merge with microshit-oogle
BingoBoingo: Nah, they have to pick one of the two per Coke/Pepsi theorem
asciilifeform: i suspect that they can no longer afford the 'luxury' of pepsi.
BingoBoingo: Microshit, Googlag, or Manzana
asciilifeform: not for long, anyway
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if Gab somes knocking, I will try to get a price for them. Considering they were hosted on MS Azure for a long time, it is hard to tell if they can fit at any price or if their all comers deal makes them dependent on cheap Fort Mead bandwidth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing the derps actually ponying up the coin to cover the not-insignificant cost of housing their rezistenta prin cultura idjitmagnet. but whoknows.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do have difficulty with that as well. Anyways people, no platforms.
BingoBoingo: *people not platforms
BingoBoingo: You can WoT evaluate people. Hard to do that to a toilet full of cops.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-28#1866904 << cuz all the "picking up" left available is by name only ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795382 extends, extends.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-28 17:37 asciilifeform: the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 03:06 mircea_popescu: eh. the quality of police work has so terribly degraded in the past half century, if anyone does ANY PLANNING AT ALL it's a murder that'll never get solved.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a serious wtf re serpent, and neither the s.mg/classic ada, nor the orig paper, has helped me to make sense of it, and i'm suspecting that i'm thick... so here it is:
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=68 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/23/2018
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/jair-bolsonaro-now-president-elect-of-brasil/ << Qntra - Jair Bolsonaro Now President Elect Of Brasil
asciilifeform: observe, in the key scheduler,
asciilifeform: for I in 0..131 loop W(I) := Rotate_Left(W(I-8) xor W(I-5) xor W(I-3) xor W(I-1) xor 16#9e3779b9# xor Unsigned_32(I), 11); end loop;
asciilifeform: or hrm, nm, i'm thick, after all
asciilifeform: ( was about to ask 'so does it actually use the other 4 32b words..' then it clicked )
asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why the fuck the author used this adhocism, with 1way propagation, rather than an actual hash (and 'because all other blockciphers did' is not an answer.. )
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman asked a similar q, but cant currently turn up the thrd
asciilifeform: for that matter, why not let user give the full 528bytes (132 x 32b) of key material, why this whitening is hardwired in.
asciilifeform: ( anyone who considers 528byte an excessive key, can use e.g. keccak as expanded, instead of the 1970s strange , neh )
asciilifeform: *expander
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , el al -- what am i missing ?
asciilifeform: what's the win from the not-really-hash 'key schedule' thing?
asciilifeform: so then i go an' reread the paper, and whole thing is in this style. 'oh i picked the sboxes based on shuffling des's and rejecting the variants that keep bits in position toomuch' but where IS this scratch work posted?? apparently nowhere.. )
asciilifeform: motherfucking academitards.
asciilifeform: 'oh posting intermediate calcs Would Be Wrong (tm), some scum could find out that we're fulla shit', or is there some other plausible hypothesis here..?
BingoBoingo: President's Book of Secrets for President's eyes only?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thing was never usg.adopted, was 90% of its orig appeal
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a quote from a piece of children's literature. Sub "President" for "Man ritualistically staying alone"
BingoBoingo working on a piece covering republican research and doctrine on censorship resistance as of 2018 to throw on the blognotebook, to inform Pizarro marketing.
asciilifeform: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/serpent.pdf ( pdfturd! ) << near as i can tell, is the 'full paper' referred to in the 'short'
asciilifeform: and it claims a specific process that supposedly produced the sboxes, but gives only pseudocode with a handwave ' if has desired properties, then keep sbox ' turd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: potentially interesting, but i suspect that it wont do much for the idjit heathens , who dun grasp even most basic step of hygiene , i.e. letting go of dnsism
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not for heathens. It's for me and whoever else reads to repackage for heathens.
asciilifeform: as if it could possibly matter where you host sumthing if 'customer has come to expect' weev.com as the only way in
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite then
asciilifeform: '... it was an- alyzed by programs we developed for investigating block ciphers, and we found bounds on the probabilities of the differential and linear characteristics. These bounds show that this choice suits our needs.' << spoiler: also posted nowhere...
BingoBoingo: Like other Republic pursuits we have experience, practice, and doctrine in the logs but like other things (v state of the art) it could benefit from collection
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi why ANY of those!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked over notes from the 1st time i read the thing, and had same reaction then ! but then, left with 'maybe i find why'. 3y later, not found why !
mircea_popescu: ours is not to find out why.
asciilifeform: at this point i strongly suspect that there ~isn't~ a 'why', author pulled thing out of his arse like the others.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why.
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's a good idea incidentally. lotta stuff we invented last tuesday and in the brief interval became seemingly "older than dirt" / "in kindergarten!!!" is in fact entirely unheard of outside the walls.
BingoBoingo: It is an issue I am concretely running into
BingoBoingo: We've documented our victories well, but when explaining to heathens why, collections of log links where the path to victory happens and is discussed often don't quite do it on their own
BingoBoingo: And after Kirchner in Argentina, Bolnasaro in Brasil... The Uruguayos on Reddit think planes surely can not be rockets: http://archive.is/dSdho
mircea_popescu: moreover, heathens are generally completely bereft of any kind of thought process. by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WXFOP/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!rate nicooleci 2 Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
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BingoBoingo: !!rate nicoleci 2 Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
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deedbot: BingoBoingo rated nicoleci 2 << Mircea's chattle, summarizer in training, Outside the Wire
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1866964 << specifically in the context of the 'crypto contest' where serpent was trotted out, there was a loud and pompous 'here's ciphers, with jusfifications!' circus. so imho the excuse of 'not knew to wash hands yet' is not available
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 00:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the likely reason they don't publish scratchwork is that before republic, nobody had any fucking idea how to do intellectual work. q is a lot like asking "why would doctors not wash hands". because before someone told them to, they didn't, that's why.
mircea_popescu: hey, people cca 1400 made big deal of "purity" as well.
mircea_popescu: using the words is worth nothing ; if not used by a lord they're powerless.
asciilifeform: ^ summary of serial i/o processor thing asciilifeform baked. will be applicable even if we come up with sumthing less sad than serpent, in fyootoor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somewhat related observation: designers of blockciphers are fixated on 'what if known plaintext block', but it is not clear to me why this has to be a living problem when you can fill up 1/4 or 1/2 or whatever of block with rng
asciilifeform: ( if storage/bandwidth are cheap, potentially could stuff all but 1 byte, or even bit, with rngolade, if you like )
asciilifeform: it also handily disposes of the penguin.
asciilifeform: ( without requiring blocks to contain serial #s or anything of the kind )
asciilifeform: sorta like what people already do re rsa.
asciilifeform: and yes it means that rng bitrate will constrain write speed. but it aint as if this is not solvable problem.
asciilifeform: one possible handy algo for the degenerate case of '1 bit of payload per block' -- your block is ~wholesale~ rngolade, and you simply flip the last bit so xor(b0,b1,...,bN) equals your desired payload bit.
asciilifeform: this solves (if you will) asciilifeform's ancient puzzler, 'how to avoid any part of block being known plaintext'
asciilifeform: nao, exercise for the reader : find the bandwidth of this channel ( how many bits , if more than one, can be stuffed into a block and still preserve this property ) ...
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