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asciilifeform: yaya untermenschen don't see their obvious destiny to plug machinegun embrasure for the glory of tmsr
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asciilifeform: holyfuq
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asciilifeform: MICROSHIT?!
mircea_popescu: this a) re an ip that hasn't sent any mail in the past i dunno, six months ? and b) from the phuctor people.
mircea_popescu: so im guessing that a) disk phuctor disk is never getting replaced, when it fails it faisl and b) im not going to be paying these schmucks anymore, when they turn it off they turn it off.
mircea_popescu: maybe one day there's a place to rent servers from. until such a time, so long phuctor.
asciilifeform: and so long all trb nodes ?
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: we';re not old enough to be online, what can be done.
mircea_popescu: wait for grow-up.
asciilifeform: outlook.com omfg
mircea_popescu: in no case am i debugging this stack of strange.
asciilifeform: and when trilema also ?
asciilifeform: and snsa shop goes where ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we wait and see.
asciilifeform: wait for what, for 3rd disk to die ?
mircea_popescu: well, something will eventually happen. the situation is just as untenable as it was back in the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646924
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger that is EXACTLY what isp does.
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile it's also become critical.
asciilifeform: realize what this looks like -- enemy finally gets around to nudging the weak points, and they crumble like old drywall
mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it is, what use is pretending. so much caked youthful spunksocks.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi why thing doesn't live in same place as trilema
asciilifeform: ( cost ? )
mircea_popescu: no, sanity. wtf would everything live in same place as trilema ?
mircea_popescu: concentration is the exactly wrong answer here.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3825.0, vol: 26925.37308887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3818.9, vol: 62984.29982562 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3752.005528, vol: 16065.93000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3853.0, vol: 9602.64151368 | Volume-weighted last average: 3813.85556403
trinque been spelunking in the trb innards a while, close to wrapped up on a few little tools to go hexstring->privkey->pubkey->addr relying solely on existing trb innards.
trinque: in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch
trinque: the guy introduced a new wrapper class to... allow himself (?) to diddle an attr of the parent class marked "protected"
trinque: wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe"
trinque speaking of vchSecret in CBase58Data
trinque: sorry, vchData
trinque: at any rate, the thing's HORRIBLY NAMED AND DEFINED class tree is bad enough; I don't think I'd ever sign anything that introduces yet another atop.
BingoBoingo: Congrats trinque
BingoBoingo: And lol at the cpp cancerisms
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714098 << since might as well, "Appliquons aux sciences politiques et morales la méthode fondée sur l'observation et sur le calcul, méthode qui nous a si bien servis dans les sciences naturelles. N'opposons point une résistance inutile et souvent dangereuse aux effets inévitables du progrès des lumières ; mais ne changeons qu'avec une circonspection extrême nos institutions et les us
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 01:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand on subj plox for the l0gz
mircea_popescu: ages auxquels nous sommes depuis longtemps pliés. Nous connaissons bien par l'expérience du passé, les inconvéniens qu'ils présentent ; mais nous ignorons quelle est l'étendue des maux que leur changement peut produire. Dans cette ignorance, la théorie des probabilités prescrit d'éviter tout changement : surtout il faut éviter les changemens brusques qui, dans l'ordre moral comme dans l'ordre physique, ne s'opèrent
mircea_popescu: jamais sans une grande perte de force vive."
mircea_popescu: quite not what pantsuit wants statistics for.
mircea_popescu: trinque i imagine dood just didn't know how to proceed and too weird to ask.
mod6: trinque: where do you see this?
trinque: totally possible. curse of not hanging around is not here to speak for himself.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-20 02:46 chetty: A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic.
mircea_popescu: trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
mircea_popescu: sort of thing that makes everything difficult.
mircea_popescu: anyway. he has to diddle vchData to import.
mod6: <+trinque> wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe" << oh, i misunderstood this at first pass. you mean, 'make the parent class public, instead of protected' ya?
trinque: sure, so just make it public and diddle
trinque put this in what'll end up a patch for some key tool binaries.
mod6: yeah, submit when ready.
trinque: I kinda want printf to be printf too, holy hell.
trinque: you pull one thread.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GCYtI/?raw=true << example, simple trb-addr proggie
trinque obviously intending to plonk ass down in front of airgapped box and produce signed transactions
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque i imagine dood just didn't know how to proceed and too weird to ask. << Not like he can't go to The Waters and consult Mithra
mircea_popescu: john waters ?
BingoBoingo: Or the fire waters, or wherever his kind goes
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3663.0, vol: 28920.73395039 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3659.8, vol: 71090.96409817 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3095.748475, vol: 25227.70330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3685.6, vol: 9322.08283634 | Volume-weighted last average: 3556.52625479
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo your qnrtra backups are current ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Should be as of 8 ish hours ago, will refresh
BingoBoingo remembers the hard way having been involved in learning this
BingoBoingo: lol, at 2012 epiphany which is today's reality http://trilema.com/
BingoBoingo off to serve the interest of Petty Justice for a few hours.
shinohai: lukejr and his "This is not consensus-compatible with the Bitcoin network."
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: Buenas dias mod6
mod6: how you doin today?
BingoBoingo: So, petty justice is demanding I get more petty
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 06:03 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GCYtI/?raw=true << example, simple trb-addr proggie
asciilifeform: trinque: didja 'libraryize' the crypto routines? or how did you end up doing it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714258 << funkenstein was an odd d00d: shat on trb, but lifted it wholesale for use in his altwhatever; today hangs in kakolandia and misses no chance to hurrdurrmpisafraud etc
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 05:57 mircea_popescu: trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
mod6: just fixed my office chair.. apparently all it took was to tighten up the dial thingy on the bottom.
mod6: who knew?!
mod6: thing was like rocking side to side, etc. was bout to go buy a new one. herpderp
asciilifeform: whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
asciilifeform: ( iirc the photo was linked here, couplea yrs ago )
mod6: oh boy, i bettter find this.
mod6: before the thing blows my ass off.
mod6: dang, thats crazy. maybe i better back it off a bit.
mod6: the dial im futzing with doesn't have any thing to do with the piston (as far as i can see)
asciilifeform only buys chairs with 5mm+ of steel between piston and arsehole
mod6: maybe i aught to cut myself a nice tree stump to sit on.
asciilifeform: treestump i suspect is even ergonomically an improvement over most chinese chair..
mod6: probably is. all you really have to do is stain the thing pretty heavy to seal in the things.
mod6: i bought a digital caliper... ima use it to measure the thickness of the baseplate.
mod6: 2.75mm
asciilifeform: prolly suffices if you avoid 'hard landings' lol
mod6: i knew this guy who was well over 300lbs who used to jump into his seat, every time damn near.
mod6: he blew the wheels off of two chairs (at different times) that I saw with my own eyes.
mod6: piston never blew though.
asciilifeform: very interestingly, i happen to know that comp chairs at one time came with steel wheels
asciilifeform: because i found one in a skip in early '90s
asciilifeform: ( my brother still uses it, it looks and works entirely the same today as when found )
mod6: nice.
asciilifeform: but no steel wheels today, and you can't buy'em, It Would Be Wrong
asciilifeform: imho it is interesting and very pete_dushenski's-porche-esque, you can buy a $2k+ chair and still plastic.
mod6: oh ya
mod6: just went to the website of the chinese manufacturer of this chair. php/mysql splooge.
mod6: lol
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: first i have rolex with wooden gears and now i have $2k+ plastic chair ? what kinda alt-lottery did i win ? lol
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for some reason i recalled you having a plastic-bodied porche
pete_dushenski: i don't recall ever having written about ~owning~ schmancy watches even if i did nail tlp on patek prices (http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/) and did publicly confess to owning leather+plywood chair (http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/20/the-eames-lounge-legacy-continues/)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i bought zippy nissan instead. maybe next will be porsch-uh but who knows.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> prolly suffices if you avoid 'hard landings' lol << fwiw too, i use my chair as low as it goes. fully decompressed.
mod6: i feel like im sitting on a bomb now.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713592 << aha. BingoBoingo recalls well. since we're doing muh archives, here's the link again (http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/09/finding-the-light/)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:33 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It transformed into "Crossover" craze. iirc pete_dushenski has a blog on this.
pete_dushenski: lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
asciilifeform: !!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, trinque , ben_vulpes , phf , mod6 , et al
asciilifeform: sha512: c03c68578b522fb1a9d0406ee1cbc975d58c7dabefd80d5a6848a521a53f1f0ace910f810a6ec38d682572d3055921da0627b3d240be39cf5a9c5a6cb91255d1
mod6: approx size?
asciilifeform: 13491729239 bytes
asciilifeform: ( about double of this, unzipped )
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713589 << craze just shrunk so that 4-banger engines can propel "suv". it's alive and well though. sedan is dead on a stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713622 << ferrari, bugatti, bentley, rolls royce. maybach was a thing a decade ago but now it's a mere trim level of s-class instead of standalone item.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:42 mircea_popescu: so what do rappers do now, priusen ?
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
mod6: thx
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713651 << 700hp suv, 800hp muscle car, all at the altar of MOOOARR POWWWAHH. because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:53 mircea_popescu: dodge is making high power cars nao ?
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713589 << craze just shrunk so that 4-banger engines can propel "suv". it's alive and well though. sedan is dead on a stick. << I hate driving, but i can't see myself ever not having the slut-wagon.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
pete_dushenski: mod6: they're boss. very aspirational too. works on many levels : practicality, insurance policy, social cachet, and self-worth
mod6: it's a crawler. just goes everywhere. brings all the things with me.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf know any hosters in ye old orcistan ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, ( BingoBoingo -- qntra fodder? or snoar ) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0HWMD/?raw=true , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HvNiX/?raw=true << nsa war against 133337 w4r3z . ( runs on java! and other laughs inside )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:38 asciilifeform: !!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
pete_dushenski: same here
trinque: hell asciilifeform do you want to set up a torrent so we don't choke you out?
asciilifeform: box oughta be able to handle a few folx leechin'
asciilifeform: why, is somebody getting thrown off ?
trinque: nope, deedbawks slurpin bits just fine
asciilifeform: do be sure to verify hash.
mod6: so was there another dumpfile I missed with some FG stuff, or is that all contained in the phuctor blob?
asciilifeform: mod6: phuctor gz is STRICTLY the db
asciilifeform: sql dump.
asciilifeform: if you want anything else whatsoever, will have to fetch it manually or wget -m or whatever yer favourite method.
mod6: oh, makes sense, was just confused by :
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
asciilifeform: in other olds , https://archive.is/ksYSr << DIV instruction on recent intel, NOT constant-time
asciilifeform: ^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
asciilifeform: annoying.
asciilifeform: i still suspect that the 'crypto on commodity iron' idea will crumble definitively if hit with even a very modest hammer...
asciilifeform: ( which is sad because commodity iron is not only cheap and plentiful but buys a very substantial nonspecificityofdiddling )
asciilifeform: incidentally when i say 'i'ma have to' it means 'you have to' because i have no intention of distributing binaries.
asciilifeform: ( imho it is braindamaged practice )
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/1mz8v << ""The Clinton Foundation is willing to KILL to protect its secrets. So on HRC’s book tour, try to grab a hair from her. I must confirm the sequences I have. Will pay $5,000 per hair obtained from Hillary Clinton," the Facebook post stated. Although Shkreli's lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, argued the post fell under the right to free speech, Judge Matsumoto disagreed. "This is a
pete_dushenski: solicitation of assault in exchange for money,” the judge said. “That is not protected by the First Amendment.”"
asciilifeform: d00d thought 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' eh.
pete_dushenski: "because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing" aha
asciilifeform: 5k bounty on hair ain't exactly 'blaze of glory' tho
pete_dushenski: also, btcchina going bye-bye sept 30 http://archive.is/ulD22
asciilifeform: also why the fuck ain't he in moscow already.
asciilifeform: why sat waiting for clitler's lettre de cachet.
asciilifeform: last i heard, benjies still worked in moscow, and he had plenty of'em.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'china is a bug'
pete_dushenski: new yorker gunning for clitler is closest to 'blaze' that new yorker can imagine. they live in a concrete mental cage. i dunno what you want from them.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: only really need one or two exchanges for price signal anywhere in the world. what was mircea_popescu's last estimate of off-exchange trading ? 90% ? and that was a few years ago. surely > now.
asciilifeform: as i understand, d00d could have left shitreich behind and sacrificed nuffin
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
asciilifeform: if you were buying 1mil btc, you would discover a very different price ( supposing you were even able to find where. ) and ditto selling.
pete_dushenski: shkreli stuck around nato making billions in pharma industry SO THAT HE COULD MAKE PREVIOUSLY SCAMMED INVESTORS WHOLE
asciilifeform: y'think the 5m with which he paid bail was the last 5m in the sofa cushion ?
ben_vulpes: past couple of days of log have been brutal
asciilifeform: ohai ben_vulpes !
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: he could've left nato after founding and failing first two hedge funds, didn't. he can only be judged on this action, not on woulda-coulda-shoulda.
pete_dushenski: shkreli went all-in on usg.nato with pharma play. so there he will rot.
ben_vulpes: ohai asciilifeform
asciilifeform: i got nuffin
ben_vulpes: am retrieving your phuctor dump, will confirm hashes and check in later
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only load it if you actually want it, naturally i have own backup
ben_vulpes: train station office era coming to a close; all sorts of crazy flying through the air
asciilifeform: announced 'dump here' because likely very soon i will have nowhere to host a multigb item, for indefinitely long time.
asciilifeform: oh and incidentally if anyone's been putting off their FG purchase, nao is not a bad time.
pete_dushenski: because ?
asciilifeform: ( naturally they will still be sold if the box vanishes, but process will be less automated and slower )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: see raid thread
pete_dushenski: saw, didn't see how applied to fg sales
pete_dushenski: so it's slower, what's the rush ?
asciilifeform: if no rush -- can disregard
pete_dushenski: apparently some are in rush (see tx fees!) but why not in rush 6 mo ago then.
pete_dushenski: mebbe kids late to party are always rushed. do moar blow this way. 120% party in 20% of time!!1
asciilifeform: it is my policy not to ask FG buyers any questions, i have nfi why bought, whether to use as rng or fishing lure, and don't really care
asciilifeform: ( if they open conversation publicly 1st -- i will sometimes ask out of curiosity. but nobody's got to answer )
asciilifeform: so i have nfi why the tx fees etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting, on the fence between fodder and snore. This is where fence tend to lie, so will decide in a butt.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I thought your verdict on porshe was butt too fat for you at this time
asciilifeform: prolly only of interest to dedicated entomologist.
BingoBoingo: Of interest as indictment fodder, which is why deliberation of how to go from fence to BUILD THE WALL takes time.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, ftr, to complete picture of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714171 >>> https://archive.is/ntT18 <<< ru patent of subj, describes exactly how worked
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:21 mircea_popescu: the wireball idea is sound ; the rest of the crap... notrly. i'd say it's been already fully recorded as is.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> sha512: c03c68578b522fb1a9d0406ee1cbc975d58c7dabefd80d5a6848a521a53f1f0ace910f810a6ec38d682572d3055921da0627b3d240be39cf5a9c5a6cb91255d1 << confirmed
asciilifeform: congrats mod6
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i realise now that the issue with 911 wasn't 911 but WHICH 911. i've refined my tastes in them to gt3 variants alone. the cs/c4s/turbo are too phat butt. it's an enormous range though (20+ sub-variants), so it only figures that there'd be one that'd appeal. much like usa itself. so i'm not a fan of nyc. big whoop! hawaii is still the tits.
trinque: 1979 is the correct answer.
trinque: my dad sold his, and I still talk to him even.
pete_dushenski: answer is always "when i was but a boy" or even "just before i was born and the world was still blessedly unburdened by my mortal knowledge"
pete_dushenski: 1979 is beautiful but needs mega investment to make race trackable.
trinque: I can see it.
pete_dushenski: (which is now a consideration of mine? hmm. wasn't 6 mo ago!)
BingoBoingo: Meh, get something trackable from the factory like a "Honda Fit Sport", you know it's trackable because "Sport" is in the name
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/usg-nsa-buggered-torrent-networks/ << Qntra - USG.NSA Buggered Torrent Networks
BingoBoingo: ^ ty alf for the pickets
pete_dushenski: trinque: can always save money on build and buy "pre-made" but then you're stuck with another man's vision of "correct 930 race car" eg. http://archive.is/tQeSY
pete_dushenski: !~ticker --market-all
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3345.0, vol: 36150.26779993 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3345.6, vol: 112632.50689953 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3021.6326, vol: 21896.69080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3345.0, vol: 14430.387354 | Volume-weighted last average: 3307.1138672
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: tramborghini sport turbo eddie bauer edition is ultimate track-trail weapon
BingoBoingo thought eddie bauer deal was with ford so it would be a TrabanMartin or Trabguar
pete_dushenski: well usg.chrysler used to own lamborghini so it's not much of a stretch to go to usg.ford
BingoBoingo: But USG.HotPotato.Chrysler has different fashion designer associations for their inter-rectual pooperty
BingoBoingo can't recall which one Chrysler got
pete_dushenski: fiat has "gucci", chrysler has "john varvatos"
pete_dushenski: guy who uses a lotta american symbology in his very casual clothing line. known for sneakers too.
pete_dushenski: in other server troubles, http://archive.is/gkWLz
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: What kinda urban is he?
shinohai: lol BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Was on the big screen
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: is there a kind other than the keith ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, dark urban man-boy loving urban, Fat old cat lady urban, etc
pete_dushenski: varvatos'd be rich white kid who wants to look like he doesn't care but really does. like keith.
BingoBoingo: Meh, sounds like they didn't have much of a budget
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714297 << eh, you know how many they make ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 15:48 asciilifeform: whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
mircea_popescu: you've got better chances to be fucked by the boss.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:17 asciilifeform: imho it is interesting and very pete_dushenski's-porche-esque, you can buy a $2k+ chair and still plastic.
mircea_popescu: "That sheer but resistant fabric hit on the right gestalt for where our culture was at."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714330 << eh don't be silly, so a chair out of ten billion blew.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:33 mod6: i feel like im sitting on a bomb now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714333 << much chance of survival, seeing how a state of necessity was just declared, and absent servers there's no digital.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:37 pete_dushenski: lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually had one that blew. not anally-punishingly, but 'stake' worked its way through wooden bottom.
mircea_popescu: i never saw such.
asciilifeform: prolly never saw an auto where bottom rusted off onto the pavement either, eh
mircea_popescu: lol. not outside of car cemetery no.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714392 << in fact, they have nothing to do with anything.\
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 17:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-mother-of-all-unexpected-visits/ << Trilema - The mother of all unexpected visits
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714452 << the elaborate pile of nonsense usg secreted. "Data was also backed up to Dropbox in huge quantities, the official said. Congressional offices are prohibited from using Dropbox, so an unofficial account was used, meaning Awan could have still had access to the data even though he was banned from the congressional network." ie, "i promise not to use computers!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 20:34 pete_dushenski: in other server troubles, http://archive.is/gkWLz
mircea_popescu: wtf, really ? what alt-planed are these schmucks from.
asciilifeform: 'but they were provided with an elaborate falsified image designed to hide the massive violations' << but a-ok when clitler lol
mircea_popescu: there was no proof!\
asciilifeform: ' Imran, Abid and Jamal Awan and Hina Alvi, Natalia Sova and Rao Abbas ' << quite the orcfest
mircea_popescu: o wait there was. well, some guy who once met trump visited a russian bath!!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, cucktards hired a buncha pakis, got raped.
trinque: couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
trinque: pretty entertaining
asciilifeform always pictures the anal punisher in mircea_popescu's stories speaking in the voice from his canonical ' pig farmin' '
BingoBoingo wonders what isp Eugene Alsmith works at
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whossat?
BingoBoingo: From the trilema
asciilifeform: i'ma picture him in verizon
asciilifeform: there's one right ~next to where i live, massive fortified beauty thing circa '50s with n weeks of diesel, metre-thick walls, etc. and i know it has colo; and many times i tried to lease a cage to be met with 'no, call THEM', 'oh dontchaknow, we sold to Shitcorp last month', 'yeah this is shitco, we never heard of no colo', etc
mircea_popescu: and in other "what's #trilema not got ? a chance at surivival" news, what's the story on the chinese woman ? have we hired one yet ?
asciilifeform: do we even have a d00d who speaks cn yet ?
mircea_popescu: iirc this baby's been pregnant for long enough to make a goat by now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was the question.
asciilifeform: ( much less a chix )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo honestly if anything he's moar like dick harper (jim carrey)
mircea_popescu: goodnight F!
asciilifeform: d00d uncorked his wagner an' cyanide or wut.
mircea_popescu: no idea.
pete_dushenski: anyone tried "superbithost" ? they have servers available in non-nato lands (eg. argentina, south africa, dubai), accept btc, and as of may 2017 will accept fuckgoats units by mail to the three aforementioned locales.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you don't stop with this sort of stupid bs ima devoice you.
asciilifeform: 'Stay Anonymous With Us!' << oh ferfuxxsake
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: at least consider ~reading~ these before posting...
asciilifeform: 'does the copy verbiage literally contain entire phrases from nsa.fleanode's 'private internet fuckery' scamolade ?' if yes -> to /dev/null -- is good firstpass cut, loses 95% of noise
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714464 << i actually had one when slaving for usg ( believe or not, was made ~mandatory~, on 'fire safety' (?!) grounds ) and disassembled in a fit of pique. arseplate -- iron.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 21:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
asciilifeform: hey Framedragger ? alive?
asciilifeform: and in other lulz, 21 distinct downloaders of the phuctor snapshot.
asciilifeform: ( not counting asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: ( some still pumping. naturally the pipe ain't THAT wide )
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3335.0, vol: 39147.95451725 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3339.6, vol: 121738.31380736 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2897.5, vol: 21584.99830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3346.4, vol: 15324.3226362 | Volume-weighted last average: 3290.97099376
BingoBoingo: Amazing what actual sorta doom and gloom news does
asciilifeform: völkischer beobachter even made sure to mention a cackling jamie dimon
asciilifeform: just like 2y ago
mircea_popescu: !!up JohnDorian
deedbot: JohnDorian voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What does jamie dimon have to do with Francia Raisa wasting a kidney on some disney washout's lupus?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he's this d00d, ceo of j p morgan, stands up and does a cackling villain routine whenever btc-usd sheds some chinesium
BingoBoingo: Right, and Francia Raisa has tits that deserve the toxin clearing support offered by dual kidneys
asciilifeform: i have nfi who that is/was
mircea_popescu: o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics.
BingoBoingo: This is some serious gloom
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics. << Ah yeah, just USD noise spike. All altcoins have a few of those as they die
mircea_popescu: typical tripod websites bullshit, i waited for months to float teh ECu, day fucking after they fall over each other to print different-random numbers on their guesbook visitor counters.
BingoBoingo: Well, this just means they waited too.
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
asciilifeform: lol shitcoin still quoted at 0.1224 on shitfinex
mircea_popescu: is that good for altcorn ?
asciilifeform: dunno for whom at this point, i suspect that ~everybody already traded theirs in, so nao the 'official' price can be wahtever hitler likes
mircea_popescu: if "everybody" were composed of rank idiots, yes.
mircea_popescu: fortunately for everyone, it isn't.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, even beginner bridge player understands the point of guards and what finesse is.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 2nd continuous day of aerial combat drills over dc
BingoBoingo: Always having more shoe to drop is important when dropping shoe
asciilifeform: loud, ostentatious goldentoilets, on display
BingoBoingo: But how does their exhaust smell?
mircea_popescu: they found some israeli planes they could actually fly somewhere ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i didn't climb up into sky to smell it lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Insufficient plastic wheel chairs for sky travel?
asciilifeform: insufficient fart thrust.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714486 << that's quite on point. as they say in what, "the mother of unexpected visits' always pregnant."
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 21:50 trinque: couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'drill' appears to consist of going round and round in circles. so perhaps was not difficult to find machines that will suffice.
BingoBoingo: Gotta feed that gut flora
BingoBoingo: And bun mounted after burner
BingoBoingo: Or afterbeaner, or wtf
asciilifeform writes to umpteenth ru supposed-hoster, with canonical 'Можно ли оплатить хостинг криптовалютой Bitcoin ?' and gets the canonical 'Нет, но вы можете обменять её на рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)' ( i.e. pissoff )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you imagine shit that's dumb when pete_dushenski does it is any less dumb whewn you do it ?
mircea_popescu: it's fucking dumb, forget about it already.
mircea_popescu: no tmsr hosting === we just close up shop. this is not fucking clear yet ?
mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
mircea_popescu: braindamaged nonsense.
ben_vulpes: what is 'the job' here? make friends with dc(s) and buy/rent/rack own hardware in it/them?
mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
ben_vulpes: is cn disqualified?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 23:48 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 00:01 mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: you talk to dcs. is "$firm" a datacenter ?
asciilifeform: claimed to be.
mircea_popescu: this is contradictory with your actual statement, "рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)".
asciilifeform: and no i dun have any in my l2, so stuck probing rando dc . shared typical example of rubbish, by no means all.
asciilifeform: that was their reply
mircea_popescu: a datacenter is a physical item with a fixed physical location.
mircea_popescu: if it has doubts as to its physical location, it is an isp not a dc.
asciilifeform: they claim to have several dc
mircea_popescu: then they ARE NOT A DC.
mircea_popescu: line ends there.
asciilifeform: where is it written that no 1 co can own >1 dc ?
mircea_popescu: if person "has several houses", person is not person, is real estate agent.
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought this is obvious ; or at least it is to all my girls that were ever sent to put roots down anywhere.
asciilifeform knows folx with >1 house who dun fit any plausible description of 'real estate agent'
asciilifeform: what's next, d00d with >1 car, is a taxipark ?
mircea_popescu: exact same here. if they don't know where they're located, they're not any part of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in discussing anything with the over-dcs indirection layer. that is the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: that layer MUST be pierced. that is also the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: much like dns, and for the same reasons as the dns, it does not serve us.
asciilifeform possibly grasps mircea_popescu's binomial
asciilifeform: how to pierce reseller spamolade biofilm
mircea_popescu: and as tempting as it may be TO THE NAIVE, this "oh, i found an actually workable one" is what we've been doing for years. there's people in the logs vouching for cherry servers, the FUCKTARDS who outlook.com their email and so following.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "a good one".
asciilifeform: they're 'good' until there's actual pressure on the gaskets and then not.
mircea_popescu: ownership level must match usage level.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz expand ?
mircea_popescu: what's to expand, we're too big to be subletting randos apartments ; must have own brownstone owned outright.
mircea_popescu: we can afford to ; and we must do so. the fact that "nobody" ever lived in any other arrangement than subletting from whoever they were sucking the cock of that month dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: is it absolutely needed that cage provider eat btc ?
asciilifeform: ( and is mircea_popescu speaking of literally owning the bricks on which the cage stands ? or only the comp )
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine that it is, no
mircea_popescu: and no, i expect owning the hardware will be sufficient.
asciilifeform: then i found a candidate
asciilifeform: testing ain't cheap or quick tho.
mircea_popescu: sadly, it isn't, which is why this has been a topic for many months now.
asciilifeform: it'd rock if there were already a man on location. but instead it may have to be asciilifeform with very large flat suitcase .
asciilifeform: ( it is naturally possible to mail a machine but i strongly suspect that it is simply a way to give enemy phreee hardware )
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with a little bit of travel.
mircea_popescu: keeps the blood moving and besides you never know where the other pet is waiting for you.
asciilifeform: nothing aside from time.
asciilifeform: but yeah
mircea_popescu: make sure you reg a corp and hire a lawyer on location.
asciilifeform: afaik in ru that requires a bona fide citizen.
mircea_popescu: ideally, gift the man a used laptop with pgp on it.
asciilifeform: iirc phf volunteered for this part.
asciilifeform: hey phf !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so get your citizenship, you never know when it's useful.
asciilifeform: lol would've years ago if they gave it out
mircea_popescu: your parents were nationals weren't they ?
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they give out.
asciilifeform: not in absentia. gotta live there, like any kazakh or turkmen etc, for decade or sumthing.
asciilifeform did inquire, few yrs ago
mircea_popescu: !~google compatriots act 1999
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Citizens and Compatriots - PONARS Eurasia: <http://www.ponarseurasia.org/sites/default/files/policy-memos-pdf/pepm_077.pdf>; Citizenship of Russia - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_Russia>; Russian Federation - Federal Act No. 99-FZ of 24 May 1999 on State ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: all offspring of all soviet citizens.
asciilifeform: eligible for the normal procedure aha
asciilifeform: it ain't a costarica, you gotta actually prove continuous residence & employment ( or alternatively being loaded and then you get passport from mr. p personally signed )
mircea_popescu has never experienced this wonder where citizenship is a problem ; but then again whatevs.
mircea_popescu: it's squarely in the class of issues which, provided you have a lawyer pour enough hours into it, ALWAYS gets fixed your way.
asciilifeform: i imagine just about anything short of heat death of universe can be fixed like this, lol
mircea_popescu: so i guess to rephrase, "so start them working on your citizenship, you never know when it's useful."
mircea_popescu: but no, "us can't make planes" or "White boy can't jump" come well short of heat death of universe, and can't be fixed in the manner.
mircea_popescu: anyway. see what local lawyer has to say. that's what they're for.
mircea_popescu: and, to be perfectly clear : this is entirely non-blocking. much like the logs, if we end up with two ALL THE BETTER.\
asciilifeform: the actual text of their law dun seem the least bit ambiguous re the residency thing. but ianal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so spend some bitcents buy a small place in shitberg and pretend like you live there what.
asciilifeform: bitcents lol
asciilifeform: incidentally what exactly does having an officially regged corp in orcistan buy ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/der-schlussakkord-o-sopirla/ << Trilema - Der Schlussakkord, o sopirla.
mircea_popescu: well, that there's a local party to whatever agreements ; a local someone to sue or threaten to sue ; and in general, it's a good thing to have.
mircea_popescu: why ~not~ have it ? you need the 500 bux or w/e it is that badly ?
mircea_popescu: there's overprovision that's stupid ; and then there's overprovision that's a matter of course. i've more fuel in the tank than ima going to use on the next sortie ; and more girls than i fuck and more food in the fridge than i eat and why the fuck wouldn't i.
asciilifeform: very easy when you ain't gotta boil own meat to make the fuel
asciilifeform: ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru.
mircea_popescu: now as to the other point : since you're making it for yourself, see if you can cram 1TB of ram in there for the phuctor box ?
mircea_popescu: and get at least another one.
mircea_popescu: and all this, of course, is going into the s.nsa books.
mircea_popescu: what are you renting, like a 32U rack ?
asciilifeform: 1u to start.
mircea_popescu: not worth bothering with less than 4.
asciilifeform: already began to gather the pieces of the box, howdyaguess
mircea_popescu: cuz it's what i do for a living.
asciilifeform brb, very neglected pet needs attn
mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
mircea_popescu: inb4 alf discovers official corp in shitistan can rent warehouse, which is better arrangement for his domestic factory than shittington "house".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714646 << under discussion was the corp registration as an add-on, not the whole story.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 01:03 asciilifeform: ftr 500bux barely buys passage to newyork from dc, much less ru.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714656 << admittedly was thinking 'spot welder'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 01:05 mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
asciilifeform: unobtrusive, just put 200amps b/w screwhead and chassis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gpgram plz re prospective contents of the other 3 u.
asciilifeform: ( mechanically, speaking )
mircea_popescu: three servers, for to vps out of or whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is what if you hafta replace item in raid.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, what's reasonable these days ? 256gb / 1+0 4ssd raid / some intel cpu ? or can you find rackable older amds ?
asciilifeform: it's expensive, noshit. ( not as painful as if we had a satallite tho!11 )
asciilifeform: can even have old amd, but with the expected horsepower hit ( and afaik none were made that ate >256G )
mircea_popescu: so then 1, for phuctor, 1tb item ; 1 for special purpose amd, as much as it can carry, and 2 run of the mill, what's to be found at a decent price.
asciilifeform: but yes it looks like a $2-3k to change a dead hdd..
mircea_popescu: that much ? usual cost ~100-150 per hour of tech hands.
asciilifeform: if i gotta do it with own hands then yes
mircea_popescu: doesn't take an hour to do this ; but they do have nimimums so.
asciilifeform: if techs get to do it, then techs get to play with the old disks neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to do with own hands the correct approach is to seal the box, have redundancy in there, and just switch over, ahve the box mailed to you etc.
asciilifeform: was my thought aha
mircea_popescu: you can't be jumping in a plane seat every time some toshiba pos dies, it's unsanitary.
asciilifeform: raid1 with e.g. 4 hdd
asciilifeform: build it like for orbit.
mircea_popescu: "1+0 4ssd raid" means exactly that.
asciilifeform: recall the 'bottom of the sea' thread.
mircea_popescu: BUT what i meant was, have a box of phuctor racked, and an identical box, stored at the dc (they do offer storage), or even also-racked.
mircea_popescu: if one dies, have them mail it to you, then you mail back.
asciilifeform: notbad idea
mircea_popescu: though this seems drastically overkill.
asciilifeform: prolly beats airplane tho
asciilifeform: costwise.
mircea_popescu: beats airpl;ane, yes. not even a matter of cost, a matter of time and wear-and-tear of the human capital.
mircea_popescu: but esp for phuctor, why bother. what are the local techs gonna do with the old hdd, not like it's not all on the web anyway
asciilifeform: yeah i still can't fathom why they're fixated on pilferage of phuctor hdd
mircea_popescu: likely because that's how they exam take.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we have here hdd!!"
asciilifeform: 'quota of hdds covertlyraped this 5yrplan'
mircea_popescu: !!up jawbone
deedbot: jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3425.0, vol: 44636.13554611 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3442.1, vol: 137673.73589006 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3122.197526, vol: 21083.22700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3442.0, vol: 18486.344977 | Volume-weighted last average: 3408.25412895
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/pantsuits-party-reacts-to-pantsuits-book-by-capitulating-to-president-trump/ << Qntra - Pantsuit's Party Reacts To Pantsuit's Book By Capitulating To President Trump
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i must admit that i found it utterly impossible to determine what the piece ^ is actually about
asciilifeform: from the text
asciilifeform: ( or for that matter, at all )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hillary published a book. The timing of the book's release coincides with Pelosi and Schumer moistening Herr Trump's balls.
asciilifeform: expand re the latter ?
BingoBoingo: They are going to white house dinners, and making "frameworks for future deals"
asciilifeform: dun necessarily mean future deals with the old man, whose balls appear to have crumbled when prodded, like tutankhamon's - does it
asciilifeform: could just as easily mean with mr. joo or the rest.
BingoBoingo: Now because of this Herr Trump is lavishing praise on them for "bipartisanship" while pantsuit's media arm is still villainizing him
BingoBoingo: next year is a congressional election year
BingoBoingo: congressional elections get primaries too
BingoBoingo: By accepting Trump's hospitality those primary elections are getting much more expensive
mircea_popescu: it's not just "antifa" that got shed.
mircea_popescu: in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press.
mircea_popescu: perfectly reasonable in economic terms, as they cost more than they make, but entirely incomprehensible in jew press terms, because they really thought they were princesses, somehow.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the folx they import for voting, read papers
asciilifeform: so it never made sense to my naked eye why feed a deeply -ev nyt etc
mircea_popescu: i didn't even mean financially, that part is you know, necessary bundle with the bezzle. i meant actually in ideal terms. intellectually, ideologically, however you'd call it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press. << Turn out Bezos is really going to get cooked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment -- how does nyt et al 'cost' moar - intellectually - than pravda et al ?
mircea_popescu: because of the pretense of "creativity" as in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ 3rd point.
mircea_popescu: pravda was intellectually very simple and unassuming : here's shannonized gosplan.
mircea_popescu: this is very much a work of "it was a rainy night in december, i was having my tonsils basted when i stumbled on a copy of the gosplan blablabla"
mircea_popescu: it was comparatively easy to discern bad pravda copy from acceptable ; it is nigh on impossiblew to do same for washington post, nytimes and other fishwrappers, which is why the cloud of successive layers of "discussion" and "disagreement" and "critique" and so following.
mircea_popescu: as none of this has anything to do with reality, none of it is in any way beneficial, but 100% overhead.
asciilifeform: most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho
mircea_popescu: in other words, pravda was a cutout triangle, whereas this is a 3d pyramid. way the fuck more material sinks in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform under the pressure of necessity, it has to be.
asciilifeform: 'looksy, chix studing envirowhinetronics in kabul! fleadom!' 'ohnoez terrorists' 'ru stooges in whitehouse' etc
mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho << But NYT, WAPO, etc are only INTERNALLY concordant. Reconciling the different NYT and WAPO creativities is noise generation
mircea_popescu: god. wtf was the wanna-be big deal da who got von flondored recently ?
asciilifeform: this is probably where i admit that i can't actually stomach a whole wapo front to back
mircea_popescu: because there was some "economist" that was churning out curtis yarvinesque pieces that got similarily von flondored, except quietlier-ly
BingoBoingo can't recall
mircea_popescu: krugman!
asciilifeform: waiwat he's gone?!
mircea_popescu: so, look at the shit krugman was churning out, or for that matter look at the shit paul graham was churning out. or yes, yarvin.
asciilifeform: last i knew all 3 had their sinecures and microphones
mircea_popescu: the proof positive of how expensive the idiocy was, is that they've failed to keep it up over time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but no content!
mircea_popescu: that's what "too expensive intellectually" means. they can't keep coming up with the dumb shit.
asciilifeform: they had content!?
mircea_popescu: this is the thermodynamic brick wall of socialism. it's sterile in fiction.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They had wordcount and utterance count
asciilifeform: next step is the use of actual shannonizer. why not
mircea_popescu: and soudnbyte count, and quotability index and in general, before the mayo got cut by trilema & friends, it was an actual mayo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because then it's ~pravda.
asciilifeform: goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo.
asciilifeform: i already can distinguish it only with great difficulty from pravda
mircea_popescu: of course that's the next step, but it's a step down in in-universe terms.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> goodenuff for nigerian spam, why not wapo. << Shannonizer doesn't do pro-Amazon lobbying and ad copy
asciilifeform: and i dare say 'малая земля' was moar interesting reading than 'words of my daddy' or what was it
mircea_popescu: he meant, "it's good enough for random mfa, why not good enough for ogilvy-mathers". and he has a point -- it is good enough.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but Wapo's purpose is promoting Bezos pantsuitism. If wapo shirks this Bezos gets anti-trust stick
asciilifeform: lolsuuuree right after microshit
asciilifeform: the d00d who runs универмаг totally gets antitrusted ahaha.
mircea_popescu: for log completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714731 should read "but look at the idiotic pieces krugman used to shit out before getting preet'd on the quiet"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 03:33 mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : New York U.S. attorney Preet Bharara says Trump fired him - USA Today mar 11 ; New York AG Hires Bharara Corruption Guy to Look Into Trump - NYMag mar 20
mircea_popescu: september 14th says hello to you, brave soviets of yesterspring!
BingoBoingo: Preets don't have spring. Their seasons are monsoon and not monsoon.
mircea_popescu: and "left wing intellectuals" don't have much wind.
mircea_popescu: as if there even could fucking be such a thing, as an intellectual, ie, somehow who cultivates his mind, who is left, which is to say dedicated to stupidity.
mircea_popescu: for the same money i'd like some flying submarines and you know, maga.
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