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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08F966CAFAAB077B60E65271205143FA409E08BF9814238D86515FE1413F260D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1548...9609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.24.82 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.24.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/08F966CAFAAB077B60E65271205143FA409E08BF9814238D86515FE1413F260D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...0679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.24.82 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.24.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
shinohai: "We are still continue to perform our unscheduled ongoing maintenance. " (SFYL surely incoming) https://twitter.com/btcecom/status/889918430228492289
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BEAD79C04B4DC96F7496F65C8635154EC75087E464A208300904D902358C4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1125...1089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '139.130.30.60 (ssh-rsa key from 139.130.30.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (gjj1273899.lnk.telstra.net. AU QLD)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BEAD79C04B4DC96F7496F65C8635154EC75087E464A208300904D902358C4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9131...7439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '139.130.30.60 (ssh-rsa key from 139.130.30.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (gjj1273899.lnk.telstra.net. AU QLD)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5BEAD79C04B4DC96F7496F65C8635154EC75087E464A208300904D902358C4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1125...1089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '139.130.30.60 (ssh-rsa key from 139.130.30.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (gjj1273899.lnk.telstra.net. AU QLD)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4560586FA1E4A4F8CD2FF7748617BEC361D2BBA2B3DE8DAF1B94C489DCCFEFEB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1125...1089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.203.222.203 (ssh-rsa key from 183.203.222.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4560586FA1E4A4F8CD2FF7748617BEC361D2BBA2B3DE8DAF1B94C489DCCFEFEB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1141...0173 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.203.222.203 (ssh-rsa key from 183.203.222.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
asciilifeform: '(Reuters) - Greek police arrested a Russian man suspected of running a money laundering operation involving turning $4 billion from illicit business activities into the digital currency bitcoin, they said on Wednesday.'
shinohai: Adios bitmixer
asciilifeform: idiot ircs sucking nato cock and paying for the privilege
asciilifeform goes back to comp with kbd
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2493.47, vol: 19780.09434317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2488.0, vol: 41197.86809519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2539.67704, vol: 14837.08570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2486.2, vol: 10523.0180241 | Volume-weighted last average: 2497.91442585
mod6: how's it goin this mornin?
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690001 << plox to elaborate
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 06:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: http://archive.is/j8cXI <<< PLOX to give us our money back
asciilifeform: mod6: notbad, at beach
asciilifeform: mod6: still marveling at the desperate audacity of the monkey
mod6: nice!
mod6: enjoy
asciilifeform: and whatchaupto, mod6 ?
mod6: nothing interesting at the moment.
mod6: been adventuring in ada a bit recently.
asciilifeform: do say moar
mod6: nothing to write home about really, just sharpening my skills with containers, multi-d arrays, and record.
mod6: *records
mod6: most of which are fairly easy to utilize; i've been adventuring through reading in vpatch/sig/pubkeys and storing them in mem.
mod6: the really interesting part will be doing any sort of string manip etc.
mod6: how hard/easy that will be, i dunno yet.
mod6: hopefully it'll be /fast/ too.
mod6: <+shinohai> http://archive.is/j8cXI <<< PLOX to give us our money back << these ICOs are a scam-a-minute huh?
mircea_popescu: mod6 name fits at least.
asciilifeform: mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops
asciilifeform: because heaptronic.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690011 << nah, that's not the way the money flows there. pretty much all orcs, from argentina to france, exist BECAUSE china credits the fed general account and the fed then credits their piddly "national bank" lookalikes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-26 13:41 asciilifeform: idiot ircs sucking nato cock and paying for the privilege
mircea_popescu: without that, there's no bureaucracy.
mircea_popescu: and greece is possibly the main offender. it gets more free money than ~anyone, per size.
asciilifeform: they pay in sumthing, neh
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: you may have noticed that asciilifeform did not use the containers, or elaborate string ops << yeah, we discussed. just wanted to familiarize myself with 'em.
asciilifeform: mod6: it doesn't hurt to be familiar: who knows, perhaps the eulora folx will use'dm
mod6: for my purposes, i'd like to use arrays. anyway, im just kinda doing some educational stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-26#1690018 << "why doesn't 'you hate x therefore love y' bullshit work on these people ?!?!?!" "because they're not idiots, idiot."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 name fits at least. << ah
trinque: also btc-e still down, massive wad of coins on the move?
trinque: smells of lulz
asciilifeform: trinque: i still have nfi what is the reason to connect said coins with said lul
mircea_popescu: well, the usg problem is that they got left with a larger-than-usual hole as a result of their recent attempt to "gold" bitcoin.
asciilifeform: other than argumento ad redditum
mircea_popescu: now, trying to get rid of "independent" "exchanges" is logical from their pow, but won't turn out particularly useful, because they weren't all that independent in the first place.
trinque: didn't say they were.
trinque: only "heard an explosion" and "hey, btc-e's on fire".
trinque: but I'm sure gox is solvent; we'll see!
mircea_popescu: hey, for as long as the imbecile cattle "buys" bitcoin on usg.tor and then goes on reddit to "independently" opine about mp...
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik goxes typically implode when the coins, such as there were, are long leaked out, and the tank - bone dry
trinque: maybe btc-e guy's owner told him to fork over the wad, and go sit on his spike, as per prior arrangements.
trinque: I find it hard to believe that exchange "owner" owns himself
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy point. generally, trying to work the pig farm slowly increases the qty of shit you're covered in. digital pig farms aren't much better.
trinque: makes sense.
asciilifeform: phf: dks listed a... plane engine, for sale
asciilifeform: 'working pull'
asciilifeform: possibly he 'totaled' his machine.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, cokemachining of btce d00d confirmed in beobachter
asciilifeform: 'laundered $4B worth' etc
mircea_popescu: the whole "for we say so therefore it is" confidence is somewhat chuckle worthy.
BingoBoingo: USG continues desperate thrashing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i know the number of links pasted to my logger approaches epsilon, but rewriting those few links to the sensible scheme makes me squeamish nevertheless. probably resolved with a "hey doodz, updating my loggers refs, this includes editing lines logged to point to the new schema."
mircea_popescu: now rather than later is the time to do such a thing.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho the scheme currently in use by phf is The Right Thing
ben_vulpes: dun disagree in the slightest with either point
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lafonds, http://archive.is/VuTTk
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://users.cis.fiu.edu/~weiss/ada.html << quite useful, imho, readings.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat
asciilifeform: looks like a reddit clone?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure how to phrase this correctly, but, some guy trying to use his own noggin emerged out of the tardstalk swamps at some point years past. apparently he's using some different-same "platform" thing, whatever.
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks
asciilifeform: 'Craig Wright recently boasted they will have 20% of the network hashrate' << apparently these folx NEVER throw an 'asset' away, even when long dead an' rotten..?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing because of the enforced short memory of the herd.
asciilifeform: is, e.g., gavin, still in circulation? i admit - lost track
mircea_popescu: this, btw, should probably count as augmented intelligence : the normal workings of the normie brain make the past very foggy. the deliberate design of the apple and apple-clones makes memory both more costly and less useful than it'd be naturally.
mircea_popescu: so they are... augmenting the... intelligence, such as it is, of the "customer base"
mircea_popescu: it does look a lot more like augmented lactation, but hey. what's intelligence if not productive amirite.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/btc-e-down-owner-appears-headed-for-usg-coke-machine-treatment-as-fiatist-thefts-continue/ << Qntra - BTC-E Down Owner Appears Headed For USG "Coke Machine" Treatment As Fiatist Thefts Continue
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg pins 'mtgox affair' on btce d00d, http://archive.is/tUJgd
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is, e.g., gavin, still in circulation? i admit - lost track << Atm he appears to be mostly focused with his Amherst city council or neighborhood watch gig
mircea_popescu: that's the other thing : so vast is the usg bureaucracy, you can always use them in a different province. that this is how it works is always evident : just like gavin was supposed to be accepted in bitcoin because of his mit credentials, now he's offered to the naive population of $random-small-town on the basis of his "bitcoin credentials" and so no. as long as nobody digs, figures the usg, the lies stand by default.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 13:08 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I understand you shiva hands are full, but maybe you can spit some venom at the Wizsec thing? As "coke machine" prognisticator affair could use your voice from on high.
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no particular knowledge re usg's campaign of rape and pillage
BingoBoingo: Rage into a text editor on this subject for 30-45 minutes, editor will insert links to support points and spellcheck before offering pre-press for your review.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy item. "coins stolen from bitcoinica" aha hurr durr.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform went to countryside house, attempting to finish 'p' 'schrodinger-style'
asciilifeform: so hands a bit full atm.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: feel free to make own ragepiece
BingoBoingo: rage has many flavors, and mebbe USG lives long enough for there to be a next coke machine to Rage Against
BingoBoingo: !!rate whaack 2 Qntra contributor
mircea_popescu: "While presented under the umbrella name of WizSec, this unofficial independent investigation into MtGox is a voluntary effort of individuals." ehehehehe
BingoBoingo: !!v 8F69211669AE1FDB9865371B063A860BEF841B4B5D497F43A57ED8462A781E8C
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated whaack 2 << Qntra contributor
shinohai: heh nice
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2481.32, vol: 17722.93282193 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2473.2, vol: 32790.56208539 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2539.90052, vol: 13445.00230000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2482.0, vol: 9666.58462334 | Volume-weighted last average: 2488.49050666
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/you-will-regret-having-read-this/ << Trilema - You will regret having read this
mircea_popescu: in even more lulz : passed today by chinese restaurant "rong fad", rico y barato ; as well as by dr. rivera's FagRivet veterniarian hospital. you know, for pets.
mircea_popescu: oh oh, and guess the name of my car mechanic ?
shinohai: Welp my female companion has sworn off the internet for the evening after reading latest Trilema.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/26/worried-about-the-fork/ << ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Worried about the fork?
phf: mircea_popescu: got it, thinking
mod6: Geraldo?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the arse spider is a win
mircea_popescu: works does it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally i oughta dig out ye olde best-of-alt.tasteless archive
mod6: lol, yeah, gnarly.
asciilifeform: some of the folx here might greatly enjoy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly.
mircea_popescu: put on your blog, make a long post of it.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the derpy usg archive thing purports to have some of the original tarballs google 'harvested' to make its now largely dead usenet search : https://archive.org/details/usenet
asciilifeform: it is possible to glue'em back into something useful
asciilifeform: '...world has one single USENET archive (I hope they have backup floppies!), how can I obtain historical data...'
asciilifeform: ( circa 2003 . )
asciilifeform also found a https://www.theusenetarchive.com but it appears to be payware, and possible scamola.
asciilifeform: at any rate i cannot currently be arsed to paypal to find out,.
asciilifeform: who wants to be the hero, to confiscate usenet fossils from the heathens?
mircea_popescu: traditionally, whosoever first gives a shit.
asciilifeform: probably asciilifeform gives the most shit. but also has the smallest free hand atm.
mircea_popescu will make no secret he has ~no respect for the "pistols" of such grandfathers. if they sucked less they might have solved say... ONE of the problems we're stuck with.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, they have no claim to perpetuation whatsoever.
asciilifeform: eh you were there. the fatal weakness, these folx could not make hardware.
mircea_popescu: the fatal weakness, those folks just wanted to get along.
asciilifeform: not really
mircea_popescu: had no hardware, let alone make.
asciilifeform: dunno what set you hung with. certainly not 'just want'.
mircea_popescu: orly. proof ?
asciilifeform: proof is in the archive.
mircea_popescu: one item. anything.
mircea_popescu: and no, not "SAID". did.
asciilifeform: al schwartz's material for 1.
mircea_popescu: al schwartz just wanted to get along.
asciilifeform: [insert the benzyl thread here]
mircea_popescu: !#s benzyl
a111: Logged on 2014-08-22 03:06 peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 17:52 asciilifeform: he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.
mircea_popescu: is this a "mostly did" ?
mircea_popescu: what of this supposed work can i rely on today ? is there a schematic ? is therew anything ? HOW do you distinguish between this and henninger "publishing" ?
asciilifeform: d00d laid out how to do the eotvos thing. recipe still on his www last i saw.
mircea_popescu: so not actually on usenet.
asciilifeform: originally there.
mircea_popescu: i will grudgingly grant this much, and very grudgingly at that.
asciilifeform: ( received , incidentally, much the same way as mpoe-pr was on tardstalk. )
mircea_popescu: because the population just wanted to get along ?
asciilifeform: schwartz played ~same role, (unpaid..) on sci.chem, sci.physics, a few elsewheres.
mircea_popescu: i will agree with you that yes, man trying and failing is still man ; but you will i hope agree with me that man failing while still man nevertheless still loser.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually rather than 'get along', contained blithering 'einstein was a lyin' j000' crackpots, aetherists, perpetuum-mobilists, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's two components to "grandfather" : a) man ; b) successful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is getting along.
mircea_popescu: improductive flailing != productive nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry.
mircea_popescu: improductive flailing === productive nonsense.
asciilifeform: i haven't visited the productive non-nonsense planet yet, so cannot further comment
mircea_popescu: leaves open the question of "why is the history of improductive planet, be it the left can of soda or right can of soda, worthy of preservation".
mircea_popescu: don't tell me that "if oyu don't read how imbecile smart doods trying to get along tried to get along, you won't ever guess on your own and may repeat the same mistakes".
asciilifeform: vintage usenet ( in fact the 'yarchive' d00d -- no relation to ycombinator tards et al , see l0gz - has good chunk ) contained folx who actually spent good chunk of 20th c doing things such as organic synthesis of novel 'better living through chemistries', overseeing petro exploration, various productive pursuits of now-mostly-evaporated civilization
mircea_popescu: having no intention of getting along is a perfect armor against repeating usenet ; or the internet ; or anything else.
asciilifeform: as such it is worth imho whole modern net put together, gram for gram
mircea_popescu: i feel no continuity with these folks, myself.
asciilifeform: well i do.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then! when you have a moment, elighten and instruct.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i WANT to think that usg == usg, whether usg.yuppies or usg.countercultures.
mircea_popescu: it's that sadly, i fail to find the difference.
mircea_popescu: was looking for something to read anyway.
asciilifeform: if i had to pick b/w keeping my library, and keeping yarchive, on trip to mars -- would pick yarchive.
asciilifeform: ( contains, incidentally, schwartz also )
asciilifeform: it ain't a full bore 'sinners and saints' usenet snapshot, but certain fella's 'best of'. i have my own, that really cries to be organized and similarly cleaned, posted.
asciilifeform: probably buncha other folx -- have similar.
asciilifeform: ^ has some favourites of asciilifeform's.
mircea_popescu: ok, here's a brief journal. tried to pick a topic, which is a problem i don't have a solution for. heuristically picked "computers", inspected some entries, found them to be mostly minutia a la http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/disable_irq_races.html or else very brief and unstructured accidental likbezn a la http://yarchive.net/comp/caches.html
mircea_popescu: so we try our luck with food, a topic on which we happen to know a lot more than most. http://yarchive.net/food/aged_beef.html is factually incorrect on the first meaty claim -- marbledness is poor man's tenderness. i have, like anyone rich enough has had, extremely tender cuts of beef with no fat marbling whatsoever. they sell here for ~50 bux a 28 oz, that's what http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-24#1689656 was.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-24 03:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only do i own vintage german cars (which, btw, were made for de market and imported here, not made in fucking us/brazil like the rest of the toyotas with bavarian paintjobs), but I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW i just ingested a 28 oz porterhouse steak!
mircea_popescu: now, aging meat is a respectable topic. problem is the subject is written in french, and these fellows evidently never read any.
mircea_popescu approves of the cast iron seasoning words.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where do i find substance in this ?
mircea_popescu: "The attic of the restaurant was loaded with about 100 lbs of boric acid during the remodel."" << yeah, de armond dood clearly knows his way around a restaurant operaiton.
phf: mircea_popescu: what's there to read in french on meat aging? asking for practical purposes
phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
phf: 've discussed to death here, why doing so was a waste of time. i suspect that usenet was similar. you have a handful of insightful posts lost in the noise
mircea_popescu: phf as far as moderns are concerned, y-m le bourdonnec, say, or else hugo desnoyer. probably can even buy a chunk. otherwise, as far as the anthropology / history an' generally scholarship of the matter is concerned, there's late medieval / early modern french, spanish sources, even a bit of latin, but i've not them assembled and at the ready.
mircea_popescu: what's your pleasure ?
mircea_popescu: phf the noise isn't even the subject. there's two kinds of girls : those who go, and those who do not go. this is established afore the fact, and NOT at the party. now, a party with the later, no matter how timed or where established, be it "night of the demons"-like or simply a rural "community center" church dance, will NOT yield fucking. period and full fucking stop and jack slow down and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is the substantive difference here, that i dun care how fucking smart-casual you were dressed or how debate-club-approvably your wit flew. wrong party === losers and no further discussion is useful or necessary.
asciilifeform: as i see it, mircea_popescu had the verdict quite ready before reading any.
mircea_popescu: by the fruits you will have the verdict ready before inspecting any leaves.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690214 << tumourigenesis circa 1993 ( 'eternal september' ) and mostly dead by 2000.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:46 phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
asciilifeform: the interesting folx were 'practitioners' -- folx with actual meatspace professions -- rather than today's 'talkers'.
mircea_popescu: the overarching point here is that just as never an ought came from an is ; just so no coward managed to reason his way into valor.
asciilifeform: and the valor of afghan sums to 0
asciilifeform: and ditto of ru mob et al.
asciilifeform: cultural zero.
mircea_popescu: oh it is ?
asciilifeform: though i disagree that cowardice is inevitable 'professional disease' of the thinking man. illusion, comes from the fact of bipedal turds masquerading as thinking folx.
mircea_popescu: now, had i believed any of those summed to 1, i'd say nothing but simply be there. the fuck i care, it takes me six weeks to learn a language, any language, and i know no women who'd dare "opine" on the move.
mircea_popescu: BUT! are those two zeros the same zero ?
asciilifeform: become spartan, speak with sword..
mircea_popescu: cuz i suspect they may be sortable, in which case your argument's in trouble.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i am entirely convinced the two are orthogonal. there's no more reason in intelligence to be cowardly than there's reason in rain to wet the bed.
asciilifeform does not disagree with above
mircea_popescu: very similar items, really. inborn, to some degree, can be cultivated, which helps, dependingly, and so on.
mircea_popescu: neither very happy with the inept "relativism" of sophistry, at that.
asciilifeform: where was the old mircea_popescu piece, re culture forming from struggle b/w the sane and 9,001 types of subtly mad
mircea_popescu: this sounds familiar.
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