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BingoBoingo: Deer-Safe anti-nature device (yes I need to oil it): https://imgur.com/f7lu7Oy
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: old bayonet ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fairbain Sykes knife, vintage
BingoBoingo: Sheffield England stamped on the hand side of the hilt
BingoBoingo: Old bayonet of similar vintage is hiding around here somewhere...
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BingoBoingo: It's amazing thinking that England... Used to produce things... Industrially
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.35 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1055.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.18 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 199223.26 in 1863 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.39
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 2k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 170
BingoBoingo: !up petenineteen
BingoBoingo: Hello petenineteen
BingoBoingo: I hear you know thestringpuller petenineteen
asciilifeform owns one single thing made in england - a 'thurlby thandar' variable dc supply
asciilifeform: it is very heavy. and transformer conveniently had a middle tap for folks in gringolandia to move the mains wire to.
ben_vulpes: see i read that as "penisteen"
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot petenineteen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user petenineteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: Wed Aug 20 22:28:26 2014
BingoBoingo: !up Graet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and unlike, say, yugoslavia or ussr, there are no conveniently-drawn ethno-geographic bantustans for it to cleanly collapse to. << sure there are.
mircea_popescu: there's the louisiana territory, the texas republic, old dixie, the original colonies, republic of sociocalifornia etc etc
BingoBoingo: Most in the US have already been collapsed to
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I actually think the endgame a portion in Ferguson seeks is a police department like East St Louis's which see falling crime in spite of near complete inactio << it's not in spite. it's BECAUSE.
mircea_popescu: the us is insecure BECAUSE of the dept of state and us army, not in spite of them.
mircea_popescu: air travel is insecure BECAUSE the tsa not in spite of it.
mircea_popescu: and the us crime problem is mostly a creation of the uspds.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the US pidgin Spite-Cause
BingoBoingo: It is the redditards curse where they imagine the cause of their continued poverty and virginity is God's spite
BingoBoingo: Instead of their personal everythings being causes that inhere themselves with failure
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: did you and pascale hate it? << if the girl's frail and the guy big it dun work.
mircea_popescu: "When considering what jurisdiction in this world is or is not, or perhaps which one just might be ever so slightly closer to being the land of the free than some other's let us examine a snippet of text that enumerates a right of citizens of some actual jurisdiction the world which might give many people in the United States some pause."
mircea_popescu: dude that's abstruse.
mircea_popescu: why the when let's structure ?
BingoBoingo: It's how I thing, why I have to chew on shit so long or spout nonsense like in chan
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's normative, i can see it. "when we feel depressed let's take our clothes off and bellydance instead" that makese sense.
mircea_popescu: but why does it work for your thing ? you're not saying anything normative there.
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure it works.
BingoBoingo: at this hour.
BingoBoingo: I've since gotten drunk, that sentence attrocity was constructed sober
mircea_popescu: and since when the fucking hell does blasio have anything to say about resisting arrest ?
mircea_popescu: does he fucking have an opinion on restaurant meals too, like the previous idiot ?
BingoBoingo: Well De Blasio had something to say last week.
mircea_popescu: that missouri statute is such bs. all the 1st para is replete with "lawful arrest"
mircea_popescu: then the go on to say that the unlawfullness of the arrest is no defense.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would live there, i wish to know ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20260 @ 0.00064057 = 12.9779 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Well, drunk in public isn't a crime there. Turns out nearly all US states have that BS
mircea_popescu: eh just move to korea already.
mircea_popescu: at least there's penis festivals there.
BingoBoingo: I've been mapping foot routes to mexico
mircea_popescu: so do the pds routinely pay small claims for pointless detaining professionals ?
BingoBoingo: Seems so.
mircea_popescu: like, police officer messed with plumber for an hour, now county has to pay $1500 plus lawyer fees
BingoBoingo: Oh, one of the dpb noobs challenged me to chess, and maybe?
assbot: Im a cop. If you dont want to get hurt, dont challenge me. - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: somebody thinks they're like alpha or something lol.
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the videos of them folks being beaten to death over a week or two, once the regime changes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2818125 = 2.2545 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: lol, seems surprisingly likely
mircea_popescu: i intend to make a nice library. the memorial von flondor library, containing documentation of what happens to these folks once things change.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it'll help the next set stay affraid.
mircea_popescu: like a holocaust museum in reverse, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: "and this was Sunil Dutta. he thought he was a cop. he thought he was pretty cool. this is sunil dutta with his wife and kids. this is sunil dutta with his dog.
mircea_popescu: this is Sunil Dutta after having beaten with a steel pipe for six straight hours.
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mircea_popescu: this is Sunil Dutta after having been drug behind a truck for two hours the next day
mircea_popescu: he thought being an asshole is okay. do you ?
BingoBoingo: Being an asshole is ok when you are cool
mircea_popescu: "it's not the police, but the people they stop, who can prevent a detention from turning into a tragedy."
mircea_popescu: herpy derp, we just work here.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's okay for as long as it works.
ben_vulpes: "if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. "
BingoBoingo: The problem is overestimating one's cool and being an asshole beyond that
mircea_popescu: but this system where square faced mugs figure themselves alpha is unholy./
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "or find a bigger stick."
mircea_popescu: "These are young people who want a future of some sort and know that if during such frequent encounters their persistence in being might cease because either the officer, themself, or both are having a particularly bad day their life can end. " this made utterly no sense.
BingoBoingo: I might have gotten to a bit tipsy by then. Maybe I need to chew on these things a bit longer
mircea_popescu: dja know the hemingway manual of style ?
mircea_popescu: "cut all the words out. they're not needed."
mircea_popescu: "It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed."
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck would he know.
BingoBoingo: I imagine I could do that, but... brain abused by AmerEnglish
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064057 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 15140 @ 0.00064266 21877 @ 0.00063900 9400 @ 0.00063711 24350 @ 0.00063592
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 14950 @ 0.00064339 68550 @ 0.00064459 15935 @ 0.00064465 39599 @ 0.00064563
mircea_popescu: "I know it is scary for people to be stopped by cops. I also understand the anger and frustration if people believe they have been stopped unjustly or without a reason. "
mircea_popescu: dude wtf lol ?
mircea_popescu: what does he know this schmuck. it's about as scary to be stopped by a cop as it's scary to be accosted by beggars, panhandlers and flyer guys
mircea_popescu: i guess it's scary if you're a shutin or something.
ben_vulpes: hikkikimori and they just don't know it
BingoBoingo: !up petenineteen
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
ben_vulpes: professor of homeland security
ben_vulpes: right up there with doctor of communist economics
mircea_popescu: prime candidate for the salt mines.
mircea_popescu: "o i was just doing my job" "well... you got a new job now. git."
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.93, Best ask: 522.35, Bid-ask spread: 3.42000, Last trade: 522.5, 24 hour volume: 19171.51466362, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 503.979760013
ben_vulpes: so that's that?
mircea_popescu: didn't i say yest today will be cry day ? or something to that effect.
mircea_popescu: o look at this "The practical answer is, that if you get a sympathetic jury, and may not get convicted; especially if you catch the cops lying and ditching evidence (standard operating procedure; really.) The cops’ stories in these cases are a work in progress; they change depending on what comes up. If you (by some miracle, even though you’re entitled to it) obtain the Internal Affairs Investigation of the same in
mircea_popescu: cident that you’re being prosecuted for (See, Rezek v. Superior Court, 206 Cal.App.4th 633 (2012); you’re supposed to get it, but in the real world, you almost always never do), and the story that the cops told the Professional Standards / Internal Affairs Division Investigators don’t jive with the present one. They just make something up; all with the guidance of the DA’s office. Really. They fabricate enough
mircea_popescu: around their prior conflicting statements, to get some “police procedures expert” to justify the unjustifiable."
mircea_popescu: i dunno people... where i come from something like this is enough to throw the thing out.
mircea_popescu: "i was supposed to get paper x, da didn't send it. motion to dismiss the case with prejudice"
mircea_popescu: judge dismisses the case and warns the da.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.00064266 = 4.2917 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: It's reasons like this why I have a court date next week when I could have paid a fine to settle last year
mircea_popescu: so many years ago, i'm coming back to town. im in the back with a girl, driver and shadow in front. there's this roadblock on the local turnpike.
mircea_popescu: muggle comes over, sees the car, sees me, runs off.
mircea_popescu: officer in charge comes over, goes "hmmm... mr. p... would it be possible to ... uhm... look in the trunk ?"
mircea_popescu: "actually, yes."
mircea_popescu: guy's genuine surprise is all pervasive. "really ?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13969 @ 0.00064339 = 8.9875 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: the notion that cops would know one boggles me wee brain a bit
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for closure : the resistance to anything unlawful is not a right, it's a freedom. no court has or could have any authority to create a right out of it, or in any way to curtail it.
mircea_popescu: this includes police behaviour like it includes anything.
ben_vulpes: tonight on VAN: realtime impression tracking!
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
BingoBoingo: Oh shit
ben_vulpes: i think it might even work
ben_vulpes: it's only going to register hits for people whose ad blockers are disabled.
ben_vulpes: what other caveats can i drop...
ben_vulpes: *yawn*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how does it werk ?
ben_vulpes: when a request comes in to van-ads.com/venues/drinkingrecord/* i log the time to the db
ben_vulpes: nominally this db is designed for this sort of webby logging stuff.
mircea_popescu: so then adblocking doesn't rly do much, unless it kills iframes i guess
ben_vulpes: if it blocks the request, i never know. if the request goes through but the user's never shown the content, that'll log.
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards moving the venues list to the front page, and making a faq page
ben_vulpes: anyways, now we get to see who's actually serving content.
assbot: This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed....bitch! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: in other news : saw a chinchilla run from a sewer tonight.
mircea_popescu: like a rat would.
mircea_popescu: except this one... was a chinchilla
BingoBoingo: Impressive
BingoBoingo: Hola mexual
BingoBoingo: Or no tequila?
Vexual: hola
Vexual: no tequila
BingoBoingo: !up petenineteen
BingoBoingo: Hello petenineteen
Vexual: sewer chinchilla: I imagine well dressed mutants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00064448 = 53.8785 BTC [+] {4}
Vexual: i should like a pet chinchilla
Vexual: it could rent my cats ferrari to go to the vet, and the tax office would go ahhh
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.0, Best ask: 519.14, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 519.2, 24 hour volume: 19141.47478817, 24 hour low: 466.07, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 507.156697482
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.719 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.919 BTC. Current weight: 99,966.
BingoBoingo: After 21 this month... Fuck 20% hashrate increases
BingoBoingo: Bt also love them
Vexual: thats a lot of silicone
BingoBoingo: ;;google giant silicone titties
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xmj: BingoBoingo: reddit.com/r/boltedontits
Vexual: gadzooks
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mircea_popescu: how the hell does that go, 31bn ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
gribble: 2.38446700388033E10
Vexual: american billions
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 27582404634.5 based on data since last change | 27389691889.7 based on data for last three days
BingoBoingo: If nothing else the ATC crisis has given me new respect for miners
Vexual: crisis?
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.80 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1160.60 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
Vexual: oh
[]bot: Bet placed: 6.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 57(Y):43(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.319 BTC. Current weight: 99,875.
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 57(Y):43(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.319 BTC. Current weight: 99,875.
Vexual: wash that you mp?
BingoBoingo: Fucking miners
Vexual: niki minaj is buying up cexio with her adcents coin
Vexual: sup punk
[]bot: Bet created: "Tesla stock below $225 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1030/
Vexual: made any cool terminal things lately?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.28 = 1.4 BTC [-]
punkman: nope, all the assholes want web interfaces
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.02020202 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.33920202 BTC. Current weight: 99,825.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 93(Y):7(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.2 BTC. Current weight: 99,870.
Vexual: i heard the be controller is a bit shit
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00000001 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.20000001 BTC. Current weight: 99,860.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00064139 = 61.5093 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00063979 = 20.5373 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony stretches
Vexual: g'morning fluffypony
fluffypony: mrningz
Vexual: what juju are you into today?
Vexual: monero, barbeque and an ale?
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin under $100 before New Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1023/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.72244161 BTC. Current weight: 94,004.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.20000001 BTC. Current weight: 99,740.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22105 @ 0.00064293 = 14.212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00063877 = 2.8106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Touching a Laptop Can Break Its Encryption | MIT Technology Review
assbot: IEEE Xplore Abstract - Experiments on two clock countermeasures against power analysis attacks
Vexual: we've got a leftie
Vexual: did you read it?
RagnarDanneskjol: I would never post without reading, do not follow
Vexual: well the way i read it, if you have a wire protruding from your anus to an attacker, they can read your thoughts
Vexual: and they can tell if you're eating cheetos
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, something like that
Vexual: luckily, im transcoding tentacle pron, and my keys are safe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063749 = 11.0286 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: although i will be removing redundant wire from my ethernet
Vexual: the tentacle pron thing is a euphemism for adding obrusicating bullshit
Vexual: TMI
RagnarDanneskjol: sure it is :)
Vexual: thats my excuse
assbot: Hundreds of believers report UFO in skies near NASA in Houston | New York Post
Vexual: ;;lasers
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assbot: Wise Man And His Words wiley - YouTube
mircea_popescu: "ebola-liberia-clashes-violence" certainly has a ring to it.
assbot: reddit.com: over 18?
Vexual: more slicone than mps boudiour in las vegas
assbot: BitBet - BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October :: 10.25 B (63%) on Yes, 6.09 B (37%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 99`447 (100`000 to 1)
Vexual: fuckin juicy
Vexual: im tempted to bet
mircea_popescu: which way ?
Vexual: im going crosseyed thinking about it
Vexual: i guess id just copy what the others have done
Vexual: havent reall got anything better to bo with my bc for 3 weeks
RagnarDanneskjol: probably better to make your own educated decision https://coinplorer.com/Charts/Difficulty/BTC
assbot: Bitcoin difficulty chart and prediction - Coinplorer
Vexual: thanks rygar, ill add that
RagnarDanneskjol: If you have nothing better to do w/ yur bc, I can think of better ways to spend it
Vexual: do tell
RagnarDanneskjol: it will cost you
RagnarDanneskjol: my intel ain't cheap
Vexual: terms?
RagnarDanneskjol: lemme think about it
Vexual: whats say i teach you some stikes suited to your body type, and if you fail to deliver, ill teach you a better one
jurov: ;;ud stike
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stike | stike-{stahyk} verb.(originates from the word strike)to ignore or cut off communication to a person or group.
jurov: ???
assbot: Strike Price Definition | Investopedia
jurov: that made me even more confused.
jurov: vex sells body derivatives?
jurov: *bodily
pankkake: maybe body liquidity
RagnarDanneskjol: something like that
Vexual: watchu got then rygar?
Vexual: in and out with dollars?
Vexual: hot boody shakin?
Vexual: you're lucky ive been shooshed
Vexual: otherwise id youtube you all the way to mexico city, you big loveable lug
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: probably better to make your own educated decision <- looking at other's bets is an educated decision
Vexual: seriosly, ineed more vikings, whats your policy on syeroids?
RagnarDanneskjol: it could be I suppose, depends on what you qualify as educated
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Vexual: i measure intelligenge by the abilty to process new imformation
Vexual: education might help
xmj: it doesn't
Vexual: it might
xmj: intelligence is >70% genetic.
RagnarDanneskjol: pretty close to this: 'The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.' A.E.
BigBitz: xmj I disagree.
mircea_popescu: <xmj> it doesn't << how would you know ?
BigBitz: I don't believe intelligence is directly related to genetics at all -- unless there is some proven medical study to provide that ?
BigBitz: That being said, even if there was, I'd take it with a pinch of salt also.
xmj: mircea_popescu: i'm currently reading through the Bell Curve, which gives lots of references to that fact
mircea_popescu: oh i see, the bell curve.
xmj: plus, reading those references.
mircea_popescu: intelligence as an innate ability is merely a qualifier. you don't got it, you can't play. otherwise, education is 99.x% of all intellectual performance, and that x is 10.
xmj: education is nothing but a cheap signal
xmj: knowledge matters
mircea_popescu: we;re not talking education as in "went to harvard"
mircea_popescu: we're talking education as in, i've been a sex toy to the master of field x for two decades.
xmj: oh i see, that's how you got yours
mircea_popescu: working on whatever whorley diode idiocy or whatever it is.
Vexual: ive met identical twin with different minds
Vexual: same dna
mircea_popescu: !up antonosika
Vexual: one needed advide to tie her shoes
RagnarDanneskjol: as opposed to ones conjoined at the head you mean
Vexual: one would convince you she needed your wallet
assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
mircea_popescu: how the other half works : they select a subset of reality that it's not okay to lie about, then lie about all the rest, which is fine because hey, it wasn't in the holy set!
mircea_popescu: the whole us is practically speaking an engless fractal implementation of exact anti-robustness.
mircea_popescu: s/engless/endless
punkman: that's painful to read
punkman: dafuq "it’s OK to fix prior social status because one’s present state (abilities, talents) is fully consistent with the altered past."
RagnarDanneskjol: its fascinating, I have good use for this at work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00064293 = 3.3432 BTC [+]
Vexual: painful
Vexual: snap
Vexual: what did bill do wrong?
mircea_popescu: punkman exactly.
mircea_popescu: " It’s like formally changing a house’s address from 13 to 11 before selling it to a superstitious buyer: the fact being erased is that it was once called “13”, one that will never matter for any purpose or cause material harm to anyone."
mircea_popescu: except... it is obnoxious as fuck for clerks to decide the management is "a supersitious buyer".
mircea_popescu: he knows what he's doing. apprentice wizard "consultant" does not.
mircea_popescu: moreover... suppose there's mail in transit for #11 or #13.
mircea_popescu: it's so broken there's simply no words.
Vexual: speakig of robustness
Vexual: does van ads have sales?
Vexual: can i haz job
Vexual: give me an email and a rate ben10
jurov: Vexual you could have done bitbet affiliate already
Vexual: benkays mmodel is more precedural
Vexual: i cant sell bitbet to victorias secrets
jurov: you want to advertise lingerie on bitcoin blogs? or the other way around?
Vexual: advertising sales is a two way business
jurov: that's not what i asked
Vexual: bitcoin is becoming ubiquitous
Vexual: i don't wanna sell advertisng
jurov: dude, if you're to convince vulpy tyou're up to the job
Vexual: someones gotta do it
jurov: then let get rid of these phrases
Vexual: which phrases?
jurov: i'm asking what are you gotta sell to victoria's readers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00263533 = 1.8447 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20145 @ 0.00064364 = 12.9661 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: alpaca socks are unsexy
Vexual: well id convine vs to accept bc and find 10 blogs where buyers lurk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00064386 = 4.4137 BTC [+]
Vexual: i prolly dotn have the skills really
jurov: no i guess you're just afraid to push your own ideas to some conclusion
jurov: no one else will do that for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.28165713 = 14.0829 BTC [+] {5}
Vexual: hey id be doing the dunt a favour for 2 bits on the coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2631009 = 2.631 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: but if i was him i wouldnt give me an email
jurov: much whore
jurov: ;)
assbot: Is Jackson Hole To Be A Currency Event? | Seeking Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 151 @ 0.00376061 = 0.5679 BTC [-] {7}
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 76.70854211 BTC. Current weight: 5,882.
assbot: Money expert, Merrill Jenkins Sr. (M.R.) - T.V. debate - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13171 @ 0.00064386 = 8.4803 BTC [+]
fluffypony: publicity stunt
pankkake: still a good one
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that stinks of desperation in the last degree.
RagnarDanneskjol: seems that way
fluffypony: the sad thing about IPv6 jokes is that almost no one understands them and no one is using them yet.
mircea_popescu: this makes them cool no ?
fluffypony: it's a joke:)
fluffypony: this one's for asciilifeform: the bad thing about Turing machine jokes is you never can tell when they're over
assbot: The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well at least he's still tweeting. the neobee thing he tweeted a lot about also turned to be a wallet stealing piece of crap
jurov: lol that's still a thing?
Apocalyptic: mircea, indeed
Duffer1: did they ever catch that neobee guy?
Duffer1: i've been out of the loop a while
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 "they" who they ? reddit ?
mircea_popescu: reddit caught a fart. does that count ? it tasted kinda ok.
Duffer1: with that much $$ involved i assumed someone was looking
mircea_popescu: you assumed wrong. it is the incontrovertible right of people to flush their assets down the toilet.
pankkake: from the man himself "Shot by a keyboard warrior? Don't think I am too scared to be honest."
Duffer1: danng what a prick lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake who';s this, the 20something ceo of great valor ?
mircea_popescu: lol he's back taunting teh "investor" horde ?
pankkake: yes, happened a few days ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00064113 = 13.2714 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 824 @ 0.00064085 = 0.5281 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3616 @ 0.00063905 = 2.3108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37523 @ 0.00063811 = 23.9438 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: that was know for several months as StealthBit... or this is different piece?
thestringpuller: mod6: if you get jammed up don't mention my name
pankkake: "Sucks for open source in general too." because it was open source?
mod6: thestringpuller: fuck the club dawg, i'd rather count a million bucks
thestringpuller: ;;google jeezy prayed up
gribble: Prayed Up (cool_assTAY) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/cool_assTAY>; Lil Lody Ft. Young Jeezy - How It Feel - Foolish 2 Mixtape - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMzvTQcAgM>; YOUNG JEEZY LYRICS - Amen - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/youngjeezy/amen.html>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 605 @ 0.0018 = 1.089 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.56667065 BTC to 14`857 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.45632828 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1431 satoshi per share
BigBitz: Could someone explain how this company raised $13.5M? http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-api-developer-chain-raises-9-5m-funding/
assbot: Bitcoin API Developer Chain Raises $9.5m in Funding
BigBitz: Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't their whole business based on access to the 'open & freely downloadable' bitcoin blockchain? or am I seriously missing something?
jurov: simple, they heard about DERPs and want to get listed on MPEx
BigBitz: Haha
BigBitz: Seriously though... I'm confused... $13.5M... :|
jurov: srsly, i just see it as second dotcom spilling over to bitcoinland
jurov: they could have raised 10x as much if there were rumors about fb/twatter integration
Duffer1: probably ip pump n dump, they're hopin for obscene buyout from paypal or dwolla
BigBitz: Insanity.
los_pantalones: BigBitz i too am confused as to what they do
los_pantalones: no one can explain this?
assbot: Bitcoin API - Chain
jurov: use curl to get your btc address!
kakobrekla: chain.com got 4mio vc or w/e
nubbins`: design for "what is bitcoin" posters about 80% complete
nubbins`: !up praeconium
assbot: Chad Vangaalen - City of Electric Light - YouTube
nubbins`: color palette for aforementioned posters: http://imgur.com/7ZH4nQX
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ <= I like the "But… but… Centralization!". the thing is great, but he knows already it will be misunderstood
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
assbot: USDOJ: Bank of America to Pay $16.65 Billion in Historic Justice Department Settlement for Financial Fraud Leading up to and During the Financial Crisis
pankkake: more than BNP, so it's not French hate after all
nubbins`: "No. Anybody can do what Matt has done"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 693 @ 0.0013 = 0.9009 BTC [+]
pankkake: and the idea of a bitcoin backbone has been discussed here a while ago, btw
asciilifeform: ;;gettrust boolcrap
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=boolcrap | Rated since: never
asciilifeform: boolcrap: get in the fscking wot, comeon
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00256095 = 0.5378 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: !s bitcoin backbone
thestringpuller: only 3 results pankkake
pankkake: not with that name
asciilifeform: re: by the author of the fake management article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8191181
assbot: VCs provide access to small growth businesses and will never have a lack of pass... | Hacker News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.001349 = 0.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.0116 = 0.6032 BTC [-] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 65(Y):35(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.38720202 BTC. Current weight: 98,252.
ben_vulpes: sitting in the cafe this morning, makking in your enndos
ben_vulpes: "you know what else is long baby? the cucumber i'm growing in the bushes for you"
ben_vulpes: "i am a happy whore-ti-cunturalist indeed"
nubbins`: cucumber in the bushes
nubbins`: more like button on a fur coat amirite
BigBitz: los_pantalones I am glad it is (was?) not just me!
BigBitz: kakobrekla they got $13.5m
kakobrekla: even better
BigBitz: Heh, it's crazy.
BigBitz: Crazily bemusing.
BigBitz: It's like trying to comprehend nubbins` sell rates for Casascius coins.
nubbins`: i don't even get em graded!
ben_vulpes: ;;isitdown bitcoin-otc.com
gribble: bitcoin-otc.com is up
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
assbot: Why New York Real Estate Is the New Swiss Bank Account -- New York Magazine
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot asciilifeform
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
ben_vulpes: wot under ddos?
asciilifeform: try it now
ben_vulpes: ah, asciilifeform i'm not actually questioning you
asciilifeform: but my magic did expire, it seems
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot asciilifeform
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: see, works
ben_vulpes: the php app thinger's misbehaving, or slow, or its my network conn.
assbot: Bitcoin Exchange Refuses Online Poker Transactions | Pokerfuse Online Poker News
kakobrekla: dun worry, soon in eu.
dignork: this is actually an example of why address reuse might be a problem
ben_vulpes: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00063811 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00064114 = 2.2119 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: $proxies
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (889 milliseconds), mpex.bz (1060 milliseconds), mpex.co (768 milliseconds), mpex.biz (754 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (979 milliseconds)
asciilifeform: ;;gettrust b00lcrap
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user b00lcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=b00lcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=b00lcrap | Rated since: never
asciilifeform: ;;rate b00lcrap 1 actual human, meatspace colleague
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Duffer1: boo1crap
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust boo1crap
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user boo1crap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=boo1crap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=boo1crap | Rated since: never
nubbins`: !up CoalPowerGorilla
nubbins`: !up rake_boss
nubbins`: !up ADutchGamer
nubbins`: !up rrrrandom
rake_boss: noice
rake_boss: tities
rake_boss: ass and tities
ben_vulpes: !down rake_boss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0006368 = 10.6346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00064193 = 10.4635 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13215 @ 0.00064237 = 8.4889 BTC [+]
assbot: Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church
asciilifeform: !up b00lcrap
b00lcrap: test
kakobrekla: does not work.
kakobrekla: cant see that.
FabianB: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 526.55, Best ask: 527.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.52000, Last trade: 527.07, 24 hour volume: 14556.39550260, 24 hour low: 510.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.31767669
asciilifeform: ;;rate b00lcrap 1 actual human, meatspace colleague
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user b00lcrap has been recorded.
mike_c: btc sale is almost over.
mthreat: comment from michael church claiming that people go to silicon valley and get a new life and a new face from plastic surgeons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8179731
assbot: Right now, the hot commodity for corrupt officials, criminal billionaires, and m... | Hacker News
mthreat: I asked him for a source about the "new face" business, no response to my question
asciilifeform: mthreat: the 'new face' thing is probably pure conjecture, but if you could read russian (or chinese) you wouldn't need to ask for source material re: the rest.
b00lcrap: !up b00lcrap
asciilifeform: say it to assbot
asciilifeform: b00lcrap: welcome to the dark army.
b00lcrap: I made it.
asciilifeform: tell us about yourself, b00lcrap.
b00lcrap: well i am asciilifeforms mentor
b00lcrap: he owes all of his successes to me
b00lcrap: asciilifeform invited me here, we work together at a crap farm
asciilifeform: b00lcrap also grows fine tomatoes.
b00lcrap: this is true, and potatoes
kakobrekla: i like potato.
asciilifeform: and the occasional 0day.
b00lcrap: i have grown an 0day once or twice.
b00lcrap: but it was low hanging fruit.
asciilifeform: as is the tomato. but they both taste mighty fine.
kakobrekla: potato is lower than low hanging fruit, still fine.
b00lcrap: i do windows malware / vuln dev mostly
jurov: c00lcrap, when is cardano shipping?
b00lcrap: never i think
asciilifeform: b00lcrap: is not involved
b00lcrap: yeah i never got a ticket on this ship
b00lcrap: most likely because i know absolutely nothing about anything that low level.
jurov: well :) so on what levels are you operating?
jurov: visual basic viruses?
b00lcrap: i hate visual basic
b00lcrap: i prefer something neatly written in x86
asciilifeform: jurov: b00lcrap and i work a day job together. quite unrelated to s.nsa.
b00lcrap: this is true
b00lcrap: i have absolutely never even met mr.p
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: jurov: presently, we're reverse-engineers..
jurov: decoders :)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you remind me of Dexter from Dexter's lab.
thestringpuller: Did you have a lab as a kid?
thestringpuller: Do you have a sister who would break your inventions?
asciilifeform: so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.
jurov: does mircea know?
b00lcrap: are we the only one
thestringpuller: pfft I'm at a day job now
b00lcrap: who are still slaves to the man
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: no, had brother, whose lab i would screw with.
chetty: <asciilifeform> so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.// might as well while they last
b00lcrap: i think they will be gone soon
asciilifeform: there was somebody else here who had one (moiety?) and then starved.
kakobrekla: theres quite a few more than that.
TomServo raises hand.
kakobrekla was never employed.
thestringpuller: sup fluffypony
fluffypony: wasssssup
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: is a bum
thestringpuller: CONFIRMED
thestringpuller: kakobrekla is the most enigmatic person here <.<;;
mike_c: nah, he's just camera shy.
kakobrekla: camera shy bum.
thestringpuller: your bum is camera shy?
mike_c: takes at least 10 btc to get that bum on camera.
lobbes: I would also qualify as one of these peasants; hell, I'm essentially a SQL monkey
b00lcrap: at least ur not an html monkey
lobbes: this is true
chetty: victory!!! I have spent most of day fighting an obscure difference in compiler versions, I so love my job
asciilifeform: gcc 4.x-ism ?
chetty: yeah
asciilifeform: chetty lives and breathes 'mingw' ?
Blazedout419: sorry for the name change spam...some scammer was squatting my name trying to scam
chetty: noooooooooooooo
asciilifeform: chetty has somebody in the cellar hanging upside-down doing the winblows port ?
chetty: exactly
jurov: and i today finally stumbled upon worthy wallet code to build on
assbot: haskoin/haskoin GitHub
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor
lobbes: lol... Darkcoin
BingoBoingo: jurov: That premise looks like "Dream come true"
BingoBoingo: jurov: Re: https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin I went to join their channel and now am op
assbot: haskoin/haskoin GitHub
BingoBoingo: And not left their channel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol
jurov: which one? i don't see you there
BingoBoingo: Ah, spelling error
jurov: hue
BingoBoingo: !up Guevara246_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.26837856 = 1.8786 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: re: people who starved: apparently xah lee (old crackpot blogger, linked on me site) recently did.
assbot: I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26302 = 1.3151 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.75, Best ask: 516.05, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 513.54, 24 hour volume: 13878.37931625, 24 hour low: 510.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.896672788
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064237 BTC [+]
pankkake: As for her friends, they were almost exclusively other oppressed SJWs. Although friend is a strong term. She had many fights with them that basically boiled down to "stop complaining about your oppression, mine is more important." She was, essentially, a contestant in the oppression olympics.
asciilifeform: ars longa vita brevis. RIP mr. lee.
thestringpuller: moment of silence?
chetty: a contestant in the oppression olympics.//+++++
asciilifeform: silence >> eh, maybe when he's done dying
nubbins` cackles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31585 @ 0.00063828 = 20.1601 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: hey nubbins`
thestringpuller: can you send me an invoice in pm?
thestringpuller: like a one liner
thestringpuller: we can get the full invoice later
thestringpuller: just want quote for first payment
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 524.21, Best ask: 525.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.52000, Last trade: 525.76, 24 hour volume: 13536.79943406, 24 hour low: 510.57, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.793187559
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013 << mr church has some very serious beef with teh-bezzle.
assbot: I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News
assbot: Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
assbot: White House cybersecurity czar brags about his lack of technical expertise - Vox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20175 @ 0.00064283 = 12.9691 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3825 @ 0.00064426 = 2.4643 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvkweh2IUAAOlQ8.jpg "I DON'T use... plastic bags." << uses plastic bag.
mthreat: http://i.imgur.com/rg9Wt.jpg <-- pregnant woman complaining about jackhammers, while smoking a cigarette
jurov: i noticed the missing "fi" ligature instead lol
jurov: ben_vulpes: question on VAN, if i make, say 10x lesser bid that trilema
jurov: will the ads be shown 10x less often or not at all?
mike_c: the former
jurov: and what does 7d impression avg. mean?
ben_vulpes: average impressions delivered over the past seven days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00064426 = 14.367 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: it's a little wonky right now as i've yet to collect seven days of statistics
jurov: average over what?
ben_vulpes: jurov: ^^
ben_vulpes: average impressions per day.
ben_vulpes: i'll clear that up. been noodling on good wording, have yet to come up with anything that feels *right*
jurov: imma support pimps
ben_vulpes: pete's killing it
ben_vulpes: 175 impressions today alone
ben_vulpes: on track to*, and wave hands.
nubbins`: jurov dat ligature
nubbins`: my eyes
ben_vulpes: life is full of vomit of some shade
ben_vulpes: kids, computers...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27086333 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00063813 = 24.5999 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 62 @ 0.28962905 = 17.957 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 620 @ 0.00288745 = 1.7902 BTC [+] {13}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 6k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064403 = 2.4473 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2988 = 1.494 BTC [+]
nubbins`: calc 40/[ticker --last]
nubbins`: ;;calc 40/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.076995630498
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2740 @ 0.00064542 = 1.7685 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation
assbot: Year Of No Light - Tocsin [Full Album] [HQ] - YouTube
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 78(Y):22(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.48720202 BTC. Current weight: 97,227.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00064427 = 6.8615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 28 @ 0.0217227 = 0.6082 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013)
assbot: I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News
asciilifeform: now he's a living 'tilt mode' and campaigns for... unionizing programmers ?
asciilifeform: or perhaps not in sv proper, but in related bezzlatron elsewhere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2989 = 1.1956 BTC [+]
asciilifeform doesn't know this fellow, can't say for certain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree.
assbot: Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church
mircea_popescu: guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.
asciilifeform: seems like he's just pining for gasenwagen and yearns to hasten it
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8866 @ 0.00064403 = 5.71 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: probably a good candidate for a future 'joseph stack' incident.
asciilifeform: wonder what kind of kinetic energy delivery system he'll pick.
mircea_popescu: nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone.
asciilifeform: sure they do.
mircea_popescu: "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.
asciilifeform: 'the broom shoots once.'
mircea_popescu: do these people even know what terrorist means ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the broom dood. not the dog vomit moss.
mthreat: what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?
mthreat: I must have survived it
mircea_popescu: mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.
asciilifeform: 'Один раз в жизни и швабра стреляет'
mthreat: oh right
mthreat: I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.
mircea_popescu: were you terrorized ?
mthreat: He hit the building with the IRS investigators
mthreat: I wasn't terrorized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: radio airplane << ordinary airplane, with him in
mircea_popescu: im in the process of forcing a point.
The20YearIRCloud: Wasn't it a single engine, real life sized airplane?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: according to the official story - it was.
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it
mircea_popescu: radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ?
The20YearIRCloud: Of course, the greys were behind it
mircea_popescu: re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away
asciilifeform: 'not a bike, but a wheelbarrow, and not given, but deprived of'
asciilifeform: everybody knows that one.
mircea_popescu: "everbody" as in всякий
asciilifeform: in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane?
mircea_popescu: i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.
mircea_popescu: "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao"
asciilifeform: but - how do we know that herr church is a coward?
asciilifeform: merely because he has not flown his plane yet ?
mircea_popescu: well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know.
mircea_popescu: i can tell. no idea.
mircea_popescu: too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience.
asciilifeform: his writings are inescapably reminiscent of j. stack's
asciilifeform: at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long.
mircea_popescu: i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.
asciilifeform: stack? or church
mircea_popescu: well the two. you said they're similar.
asciilifeform: pretty sure we autopsied herr stack here
asciilifeform: !s joseph stack
mircea_popescu: i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory
mircea_popescu: metaterrorism
asciilifeform: ;;google joseph stack manifesto
gribble: Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: <http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2>; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464>; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ?
assbot: here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground
asciilifeform: similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind
mircea_popescu: im not sure that whether is valid in context.
mircea_popescu: people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts.
asciilifeform: turn sluts ?
mircea_popescu: the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.
asciilifeform: yes. that'd be it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
asciilifeform: even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something'
asciilifeform: especially if his handler isn't quite finished with him
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly
mircea_popescu: and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.
asciilifeform: what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e
mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?
mircea_popescu: the former perceives he has some sort of army.
mircea_popescu: the latter perceives he does not need one.
asciilifeform: there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter.
asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.'
asciilifeform: (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.)
mircea_popescu: of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest.
mthreat: this is for mircea_popescu: http://instagram.com/p/dVL0KigdHo
assbot: Instagram
mircea_popescu: mthreat pastry ?
mthreat: cupcake
mircea_popescu: i just ordered a replica made :D
mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere is probably cursing you nao.
nubbins`: ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete
nubbins`: just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days
decimation: re: satellite : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency << according to la wik, it is geosynchronous, not a leo
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mircea_popescu: decimation something that big can't be in leo anyway.
decimation: well, the ISS is
decimation: except they have constantly boost the orbit
mircea_popescu: well the iss is not a closed system.
mircea_popescu: if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago.
decimation: indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio
mircea_popescu: then consider the sigma events.
mircea_popescu: solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms.
mircea_popescu: that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago.
decimation: I was reading antifragile earlier today.
mircea_popescu: (remember skylab ?)
decimation: MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention
decimation: spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space
asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank.
asciilifeform: by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor)
asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr.
decimation: asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers
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decimation: asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector
decimation: friction opposes the extra thrust-mass
asciilifeform guesses that someone whose arse depends on the outcome crunched the numbers
asciilifeform guesses wrong before, however.
decimation: heh yeah. it's close to this idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet
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asciilifeform: not strictly necessary to increase surface area.
asciilifeform: just make sure that all exposed surfaces are scoops.
decimation: presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics
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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually.
mircea_popescu: at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.
mircea_popescu: this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.
asciilifeform blows dust of 'reducing space mission cost' (wertzel & larson)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody wants to say this, for some reason << what? this is a schoolbook fact
mircea_popescu: then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.
asciilifeform: only place such engines are ever found
mircea_popescu: but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions
mircea_popescu: and they won't even need that much shielding .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel.
asciilifeform: it's a fscking commercial product
mircea_popescu: s/nobody/journonobodies
asciilifeform: the difference between profit and orbital garbage
asciilifeform: at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque.
decimation: la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion
asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect'
mircea_popescu: which irl never happens.
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decimation: the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes
asciilifeform: in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move.
asciilifeform: or rather, in same directio
asciilifeform: (depends where you want to go)
asciilifeform: opposite, ideally
asciilifeform is not awake
mircea_popescu: Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a
mircea_popescu: ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
mircea_popescu: but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.
decimation: heh what link?
mircea_popescu: decimation earlier terrorist.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!
asciilifeform: re: magnetorquer: saw one in toy store recently! (vendor: http://www.turtletechdesign.com)
decimation: well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by
mircea_popescu: generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.
decimation: asciilifeform: that's pretty cool!
decimation: I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though
asciilifeform: decimation: it was a toy. somewhere north of 100 usd, i think
asciilifeform: just sits there and turns.
asciilifeform: (so long as the room is lit)
decimation: wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole
mircea_popescu: "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "
mircea_popescu: people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business.
asciilifeform apparently is not the only one annoyed by the word abuse
mircea_popescu: it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.
asciilifeform recently walked past a marble wall, thanking various donors to xxx that 'insured a bright future for this establishment'
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.
ben_vulpes: atmo expands 500kms under flare?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.
asciilifeform: homophone malapropisms are a kind of leper's bell for people who learned english (or whichever language) by hearing, and are innocent of books
mircea_popescu: upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.
decimation: the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors
mircea_popescu: fucking visual "thinkers" meh.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's for down on the surface tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares.
asciilifeform: (recently documented)
decimation: asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity
The20YearIRCloud: takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km.
The20YearIRCloud: with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals
ben_vulpes: paha that's intense.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate
ben_vulpes: so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning.
The20YearIRCloud: That's what my understanding was
asciilifeform: van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst.
asciilifeform: but afaik this is well-known
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger
decimation: the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected
ben_vulpes: not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"?
decimation: in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me.
asciilifeform: the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field
The20YearIRCloud: And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.
The20YearIRCloud: And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches
asciilifeform: the machines had to last.
mircea_popescu: current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking
mircea_popescu: ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.
ben_vulpes: this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter
decimation: the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems
ben_vulpes: i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: never pull? have them visit one of the 19th c. 'rotating prisons'
asciilifeform: jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank.
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decimation: http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/5 here's a page with a graph that shows attenuation in different frequency bands
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.
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kakobrekla: noice.
decimation: re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat
mircea_popescu: !up InternetNazi
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death."
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decimation: such a long way the british have fallen
asciilifeform: 'pour la canaille la mitraille.'
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years."
assbot: Public Health Benefits of Culture « Isegoria
asciilifeform: decimation: wonder why he suggests mormonism, vs. islam.
asciilifeform: (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators)
decimation: I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture
mircea_popescu: decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it.
decimation: I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism
asciilifeform: 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.'
asciilifeform: ^ similarly idiotic and equivalent modest proposal
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy
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nubbins`: i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours
ben_vulpes: best white noise.
decimation: asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past
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asciilifeform: decimation: sure.
asciilifeform: doesn't mean you can engineer this retroactively
asciilifeform: mr mold once wrote, if i recall, that his greatest wish is that he were a mormon or moslem
ben_vulpes: 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways.
asciilifeform: burner ?
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically'
ben_vulpes: someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly.
ben_vulpes: the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.
asciilifeform: what's a tribe next? chess?
ben_vulpes: what's a tribe in the first place?
asciilifeform: pygmies, sure. mormons - ok. tuba players? nope
ben_vulpes: if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?
nubbins`: they're a tribe at band camp
asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning
decimation: ;;ud tribe
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ben_vulpes: ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism."
ben_vulpes: ^^ pediwik
decimation: in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo.
asciilifeform: orc science quote of the day:
asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
asciilifeform: ('химия и жизнь', 1991, forget which month)
ben_vulpes: plenty of sluts circle the Man
ben_vulpes: "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em
mircea_popescu: which is why you believe the burning man is good :)
decimation: herr walker has a book review on boronated fuels http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-03/001499.html
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asciilifeform: sr-71 'blackbird.'
asciilifeform: and 'kelly's lighter fluid.'
asciilifeform: (peculiar fuel, that was entirely non-flammable under ordinary conditions, but would burn with triethylboron.)
decimation: here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), "
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asciilifeform: 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous
mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat.
mircea_popescu: "in case of ni-fl fire, dump vat"
decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform: b2h6 is a beauty. reacts with pretty much everything, including fluorocarbon extinguisher agents, e.g. halon.
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.
decimation: the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit
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asciilifeform: aha, where sometimes landed, but pilot dissolved.
asciilifeform: until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine
decimation: I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene
kakobrekla: a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that.
mircea_popescu: well not that exact model i should hope
decimation: the me-163?
decimation: yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death
kakobrekla: yea, in sturmovik.
decimation: I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor
decimation: sorry I mean a junkers Ju52
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decimation: apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm
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peterl: mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid
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decimation: peterl: interesting
peterl: today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...
decimation: peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style?
peterl: and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds
peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
peterl: oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh
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decimation: peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet
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peterl: gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target
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asciilifeform: incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour.
asciilifeform: (where X is the mass of reagents found on the condemned)
decimation: "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows
nubbins`: but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines
asciilifeform: decimation: famous 'analogues act'
decimation: in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard
asciilifeform: decimation: did he explain why an engineer must never read an (unexpired) patent ?
asciilifeform: on pain of defrocking
decimation: heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X'
peterl: I read unexpired patents all the time
asciilifeform: if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages
asciilifeform: 'willful.'
asciilifeform IANAL but was taught this.
decimation: ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help
decimation: no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take
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asciilifeform: or simply need to 'have problems'
asciilifeform: everybody with an intact starfish has 'assets to take'
decimation: yeah those are 'shake-down' letters, most folks cave in exchange for immunity. newegg is famous for not caving: http://blog.newegg.com/patent-trolls-learn-mess-newegg/
decimation: the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written
nubbins`: an intact starfish!
decimation: re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good
ben_vulpes: only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes
asciilifeform: 'robust tribes' ?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?
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mircea_popescu: tribes prolly worx
ben_vulpes: 's what im saying
ben_vulpes: it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now."
mircea_popescu: lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."
mircea_popescu: the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.
mircea_popescu: "Zapatillas Baratas"
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