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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ftr phenomenon is singular.
mircea_popescu: but i lolled at the dry "a very long depreciation schedule, possibly inexcess of five years".
BingoBoingo: A+++ logs
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 760.89, vol: 5365.70419044 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 755.521, vol: 3563.39157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 763.85, vol: 8737.89557743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 781.34298, vol: 962462.16350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 765.512, vol: 1891.42255614 | Volume-weighted last average: 780.951385994
mircea_popescu: check it out, alf's fuckgoats + trinque's wot work + ben_vulpes 's brunnr + things -> btc goes up 10%.
mircea_popescu: kinda gives a useful estimation of the total value of the whole rest of the ecosystem, i guess.
thestringpuller: UK "banned" end to end encryption with Investigory Powers Act of 2016. I think it basically says companies in UK have to put back doors in their shit or they are "non-compliant", thus making end-2-end encryption illegal. Effects Blockchain.info users (who operates in UK). Takes effect 2017...
thestringpuller: mah anglish not so gud
mircea_popescu: i suppose Framedragger now has to move.
shinohai: To quote mircea_popescu " the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. " I think the improved tools have indeed materialized.
mircea_popescu: i'd say so yeh
shinohai: I know of no other chan with such useful bots as this one has.
mircea_popescu: never existed, even if you count bbses / webforums, the whole tree.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...6617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE)
mircea_popescu: there are teams with better history, because linux or whatever. i wouldn't however bet on the theory there are better teams altogether. and no, "secret meta-nsa" doesn't get to dent this discussion. because clinton lost.
mircea_popescu: as far as taming computors, there's the most serene republic, and then there's the everyone else.
mircea_popescu: btw since http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 was mentioned again, it must be said : "Not only are there times when one would like to seal a payload with a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval – other than by refraining from sealing. The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch.
mircea_popescu: This is a Bad Thing." << this is both exactly correct and exactly inescapable. we will at some point have to do something about it.
shinohai: I'm tempted to blow a few bitcents spamming the shit out of this: https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
mircea_popescu: not an unreasonable thing is it ?
mircea_popescu: their idea i mean. "allow humans who give a shit to signal this to the network ; and allow their txn go first"
shinohai: This is on of the "Bitcoin Unlimited" pools. They have "Bigger Blocks" so they can handle it xD
shinohai: *one of
mircea_popescu: eh, who can't handle it.
shinohai never really has problem when using trb .... tx fee is set at 0.001
mircea_popescu: have you seen any blocks where NO free txn were included ?
mircea_popescu: so you replace the "coin age" convention with the "captcha on website" convention, they're both the same sort of nonsense, trying to aprpoximate "real people" in machine language.
BingoBoingo: But with captcha "major" pool gets to scam a couple adcents
mircea_popescu: lol. such bidniss sense in these people. let 'em enjoy.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 13:28 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...6617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE)
asciilifeform: in other ooooldz, http://www.oswego.edu/~baloglou/misc/index.html << every once in a long while i find one of these, uncle al - style fossils from when www was as a whole worth something
mircea_popescu reads the comments on alf's vectored sigs piece, is thoroughly confused
mircea_popescu: wtf is this ?!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/ << Trilema - A collection of distinctions
asciilifeform: there were comments?!
mircea_popescu: and a hell of a menagerie at that.
asciilifeform: oh heh, looks like an entire mircea_popescu 2nd take on subj. i'ma read, bbl.
mircea_popescu: incidentally paul niquette is a very pleasant read.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1448...6109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE)
shinohai: Looks like the tub-of-lard should be spending weekend at the gym, but what do I know: http://archive.is/KB7XS
mircea_popescu: "BTW - what was that game withe gnome, the guy and the girl who were fighting against creatures and you could cast magic too?" << guaranteed to be golden axe.
mircea_popescu: this guy. calling 'software engineering' 'computer science' is tantamount to calling 'mechanical engineering' 'automobile science.' and the 'debugger,' is a misnomer tantamount to calling a 'magnifying glass' an 'insecticide.'
danielpbarron: sounds like secret of mana
mircea_popescu: let's play a little with numbers since we're reading this guy. so : " Silicon Valley Rapid Transit Project (SVRT) a $5 billion design-build project for a 16-mile extension of the Bay Area Rapid Transit District (BART) with six stations" (from http://www.niquette.com/paul/access/resume.html ). now then : total track in world is ~2 1/4 mn km. using "global warming" "scientific" best practices, we conclude that a 1 billiard inve
mircea_popescu: stment in infrastructure would just about result in doubling, provided "infrastructure" is strictly defined to mean rail, and excludes energy generation, hospitals, schools, roads, even busses.
mircea_popescu: let it also be noted that 1 billiard is the usg bezzle-gdp for about 80 years, and it becomes rather evident : nothing the shitstains of today can do could even conceivably come to matter.
mats: wat
mats: 80 years of usg bezzle-gdp from what year to what year?
mats: nvm. gdp as a measurement has only been around since near the end of the great depression
mircea_popescu: mats from 2016 to 2096, proposing it holds.
mircea_popescu: 1 billiard = 10 ** 15
mats: oh ok
mircea_popescu: so you know : 80 years at current rate to re-do trains, 90 years to re-do roads, 50 years to redo hospitals, 150 to re-do electricity and cable network...
mircea_popescu: 10x what it historically took, and that's not counting two wars in between.
mircea_popescu: lowest productivity of the ship in the ship's recent history, apparently overliteracy mimics illiteracy quite well, we're well pre-1700 levels back here.
mircea_popescu: in continuing lulz, "Advanced Patent Technologies, Las Vegas, NV. 1978 – 1981, Consultant, Business Development. Mr. Niquette marketed a patent portfolio and managed the launching of startups in diverse industries, including video animation and special effects, dental instruments, and advanced engine designs for public transportation vehicles and farm machinery." << check it out, someone did start-ups before graham ?!?!? HE
mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund
mats: as there appears to be so much consensus about us collapse
mircea_popescu: why, to encourage the "i just wanted" folk to rely on it ?
mats: i dunno what that means
mircea_popescu: how could i help ?
mats: divine the nature of the collapse
mircea_popescu: ugh what am i, mafalda ?
mats: that reference is also beyond me
mircea_popescu: princess mafalda of savoy, popularly thought to be an oracle.
mats: ah
trinque: eh I'm curious where Texas ends up, gonna stay right here.
trinque: no airlift for me
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/middleeast/iraq-mosul-battle-isis << in other news, coalition death toll stands at 2k, civilian losses about the same
mats: also, congress has authorized potus to arm .sy opposition with american AA missiles
mats: l0l
asciilifeform: the correct ru response would be to supply "стрела" rockets to montana militias
asciilifeform: and black city dopewarriorz
mats: as if there aren't enough manpads in syria as it is
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 20:21 mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund
asciilifeform: price of air ticket has never been a problem for anyone worth talking about
asciilifeform: whereas price of 'diamond train' ticket is guaranteed to be 'all you got, and then some moar' at best
trinque: gotta establish business in another place well before you leave if you don't want to be a refugee
mats: latter doesn't have to be, though
mats: i picture the fund covering the cost of pilot, plane, fuel, hasty emergency runway construction, and minimal perimeter security
asciilifeform: mats: are you familiar with why ~0 jews moved to south america in '40?
mats: how does it compare with nazis moving to south america in the 50s?
mats: (no, i'm not familiar with why jews didn't move there)
asciilifeform: nazis had cia & catholic support network
asciilifeform: they were not going penniless to jungles.
mircea_popescu: plenty of jews moved in the 30s.
mircea_popescu: and re diamond train : the historical item worked as such : that a coupla dozen businessmen paid for all of it, and then there were 5x that many people who didn't pay a dime that also went with it.
asciilifeform: iirc they were meatwot placements
asciilifeform: but also some payers
mircea_popescu: well however it shall be explained, most got a "free" ride.
asciilifeform: btw if mats knows a useful skill to live off in the free world, wtf is he still doing in usascwitz today!
asciilifeform: suitcase, airplane!
mats: i don't, and i'm still struggling with the idea of abandoning everything and everyone i know to an uncertain fate
mircea_popescu: well maybe the aliens will pay for it!
asciilifeform: usachwitz never historically worked by removing passports from inmates (though, in BingoBoingo's case...) but rather by mutilating folx to make'em unfit for life outside
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece about this.
mircea_popescu: poor thems!
mats: i almost forgot about alf's fatalism
mats: he plans to die face down in the swamp
asciilifeform: mats: like you, i have no knowledge of a useful in free world profession.
mats: i got the option of fleeing to .cn, this fantastical train of thought isn't really for my benefit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fancy this - paul niquette is wikinotable enough to - figure in the article on tukey and no more.
asciilifeform: go while the planes are running, mats.
mats: i dunno why you feel this way about your talents
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i only learned of him today, from mircea_popescu
mats: the least you could is ... help desk? c'mon
asciilifeform: mats: i'll take bullet instead.
mircea_popescu: really ?
mats: lol
mircea_popescu knew of guy for being one of the xerox management involved in parc.
asciilifeform: the good old one? or the new, rotten parc
mircea_popescu: the 1960s one
asciilifeform puts on list to read man's complete worx
mircea_popescu: iirc he did some academia in the 70s, but mostly management consultancy.
mircea_popescu: in which field he's you know, folks like locklin's unconfessed but quite evident ideal.
asciilifeform can picture
asciilifeform: sadly these were people of a lost era, where there were not only actual brains around, but massive surplus wealth from the great monopolists like bell
mircea_popescu: certainly goes in that "great men from different era" rubric.
mircea_popescu: before the "digg revolution" which subsists today in derpy wanan-be incantations like 9gag, reddit etc, and before the great "internet revolution" of aol shitting all voer the place, there was another substantially identical "revolution", where pointless college degrees started sitting pointessly in offices cca 1970 and creating "office life". but BEFORE all that scum and rot, most dumb kids were farmers, and smart kids were
mircea_popescu: found at palo alto and etc.
mircea_popescu: this last thing would be the "different era", ie, before mass literacy filled the desks with cowboys.
asciilifeform: eh bureaucracy existed
mircea_popescu: and bbs-es existed. of course they existed. but there was a significant change about the time it also happened in the su.
asciilifeform: gogol's 'overcoat' is 19th c
mircea_popescu: even so.
mircea_popescu: very different thing from the socialist-state-middle-class bureaucracy of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: i mean, the turks fucking had an idle class of ethnic greeks living in fanar for 3+ centuries, exactly mappable to any modern understanding of bureaucracy. nevertheless.
asciilifeform: at any rate, that era is as far removed from asciilifeform's lived experience as the glory-of-rome
mircea_popescu: i believe. though it was not really so far back.
asciilifeform: in not quite related noose, asciilifeform took his brother to a phone shop to activate a very vintage 'krazor', and the clerks all wished to know where they can also get one...
asciilifeform: (a classical 'dumbphone', matchbox-sized thing, with actual buttons and --- strangely alone in ENTIRE class of dumbphone other than it - whitelist ringer)
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone knows of another - plz post...
mircea_popescu used to have a landline thing installed for the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: !!up B1M0
deedbot: B1M0 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up nick_name
deedbot: nick_name voiced for 30 minutes.
nick_name: Why we should use merkle tree for block checking? That is possible to get hash of all transactions instead.
mircea_popescu: merkle tree allows you to spot the problem.
nick_name: why we should spot the problem?
mircea_popescu: generally the question you want to answer is "is this tx included in this block". with a hash tree that is log N, with a hash list that is N proportional.
nick_name: Thank you!
nick_name: Can we use nosql database for all transactions? it should be more faster in comparison of checking each block.
mircea_popescu: who's we ?
nick_name: i want to optimize searching algoritm.
nick_name: 'we' in general
mircea_popescu: well, pick up the V tree and submit a patch ; ben_vulpes is already running http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received on the trb infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: or alternatively read the various discussions in the log and mailing list re trb reform.
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's anything in the mozilla tree that's rescuable.
mircea_popescu: an epic fucking failure, that whole wanna-be trilema thing.
mircea_popescu: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/12/01/state-of-mozilla-2015-annual-report/ << one year late, absolutely nothing worth the mention in there, plenty of things worth the noose.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which - who's going to do the "all republican things 2016 retrospective" ?
mats: BingoBoingo: 'Wordfence' is not Mozilla
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 00:01 asciilifeform proposes to implement this subsystem for s.mg.
mats: just some folks that make a wordpress plugin
mircea_popescu: and speaking of mozilla,
mircea_popescu: jwzs and other just wanted tos, sam yagan (the edonkey guy who then make okcupid and who then engaged in that ridoinculous publicity stunt over eich's donating 1k to some dudes campaigning against gay marriage in california) is as fine an example as it gets.
mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ?
mircea_popescu: a small one with which you pee and a bigger one with which mrs neighbour brushes her teeth ?
asciilifeform: neither ~quite~ ready for battlefield, but nearly there, picked it up again after goat properly fucked
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577428 << holyshit i forgot how donkey was originally commercial shitware! with ads!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
asciilifeform never used any variant but 'amule'
mircea_popescu: aha. vajapaypay or whateveray gotta make a buck.
asciilifeform STILL uses
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 21:36 mircea_popescu: well, pick up the V tree and submit a patch ; ben_vulpes is already running http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received on the trb infrastructure.
asciilifeform: how didja handle reorgs, ben_vulpes ?
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 441806 | Current Difficulty: 2.867657668205504E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 443519 | Next Difficulty In: 1713 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 761.04, vol: 2673.11544483 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 759.207, vol: 3105.09101 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 763.54, vol: 5669.77640856 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 783.009876, vol: 1203986.02610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 764.0, vol: 635.34118969 | Volume-weighted last average: 782.800097082
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/536B2E0C3DC834B18591F004C8F3094D63BB7C86D67FB5BBBAFBA913FAC71B9E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1400...3673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.154 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.154 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/22249D5A959CA57763AC084915E6BB0B5BC61CF2A055F6E5D443CE0E9B550DB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2409...4663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.180.1.119 (ssh-rsa key from 212.180.1.119 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (dcc2.easynet.fr. FR)
BingoBoingo: "The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices were given pads with one of three words written on them... The results show counseling resulted in a future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap way of cutting down future domestic violence."
mircea_popescu: yeah, arresting all the dudes women bitch about is going to result in a very cheap way to cut down on complaints once teh muslims move in.
mircea_popescu: worked splendidly in rotterham!
shinohai: The narcissist is surprised to see their reflection in the pool.
mircea_popescu: they're always cute, "oh, someone thinks we're retarded ?!? HOW COULD THIS BE!"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2EEDE1E75CD6E3C7BA28384587BF9B13108A1E30BA5E960D1874EB3C7B7E224E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.37 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7A1C1F9F8A62C5361ACBC7AFA6E19458556BF986C6492D5EBD6A3EE9762F438 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.134 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30DC71A84187FB781302AD32314639EBF5DFFC2CA1EC163A687BE3415BEE375 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.82 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C5AA0F8647C698DC26F39805C7A7668AFCAC5951DA2BC8F037715E3DA9E97A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.128.19 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.128.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US NY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/22249D5A959CA57763AC084915E6BB0B5BC61CF2A055F6E5D443CE0E9B550DB1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1394...1467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.180.1.119 (ssh-rsa key from 212.180.1.119 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (dcc2.easynet.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/536B2E0C3DC834B18591F004C8F3094D63BB7C86D67FB5BBBAFBA913FAC71B9E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1378...2329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.243.130.154 (ssh-rsa key from 77.243.130.154 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/trumpreich-swamp-draining-plans-still-elusive-no-dykes-weirs-or-windmills-proposed/ << Qntra - Trumpreich Swamp Draining Plans Still Elusive, No Dykes, Weirs, Or Windmills Proposed
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