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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38383 @ 0.00048009 = 18.4273 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00047949 = 26.4199 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: aye Bingoboingo i'll not shit on the coffee at bill's house
ben_vulpes: i'm scared of qntra y2 too now
punkman: oh man this shoulder/neck strain makes me want to murder puppies
punkman: white: is punkman around? << next time tell him there's a log and he can type things for me to read later
punkman: I don't know anyone from the philippines tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49681 @ 0.00048403 = 24.0471 BTC [+] {4}
Bingoboingo: Oh, punkman isn't into the philipenis?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25970 @ 0.00048661 = 12.6373 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: fun fact, "philipinesa" is a generic term for maid/cleaner in greek
punkman: and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60150 @ 0.00047843 = 28.7776 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: Bingoboingo: are capsicum/mint gels a scam?
Bingoboingo: to use for what?
punkman: aforementioned shouldner/neck strain
Bingoboingo: Could work well. Would work better if you can find such a linament with an NSAID drug like salicyclate or naproxen in it. Or use two linaments.
punkman: tried yesterday for first time, was an ok distraction for a while
Bingoboingo: Well, that's kinda how these things work.
punkman: waiting for pharmacy to open to get some topical nsaid gel
punkman: if I can still move in an hour
Bingoboingo: Not going to magically repair the strain, but can cover the pain.
Bingoboingo: Just don't touch your dick until yours hands are clean.
punkman: that'd be an even better distraction though
Bingoboingo: Yeah, and you can use a lot more NSAID topically than you can orally.
Bingoboingo: The good old tylenol/benadryl combo can be layered on top of everything else as well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.0004881 = 27.5288 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Say My Name - Vintage '60s Soul Ballad Destiny's Child Cover ft. Joey Cook - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjtZPE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19966 @ 0.0004777 = 9.5378 BTC [-] {2}
Bingoboingo: http://www.wtfpl.net/faq/ << Actually seems too complicated
assbot: Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjuA3P )
punkman: "€2000 fine, 30 day driver's license suspension, 60 days car registration license suspension and 5 SESO penalty points" << they really don't like radar detectors around here
punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection"
assbot: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXKRgo )
Bingoboingo: Police don't really like radar detectors anywhere.
Bingoboingo: I am fortunate that Saturn plastic sedan really doesn't make such things necessary. Sure it does fine at freeway speeds, but nothing really beyond that. Also clean gray family sedan usually doesn't get much attention anyways.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Guardian Malware Article Redirects To Malware - http://qntra.net/2015/12/guardian-malware-article-redirects-to-malware/
Bingoboingo: !up Terry4
assbot: Jon Call on Instagram: “#tbt my 1st #backflip March 2002. Self-taught. Compared to a recent one. #motivationmonday #transformationtuesday #throwbackthursday #gymnastics #tricking #gymmotivation #bodybuilding #weightraining #buildmuscle #fitness #plyometrics #whitemancanjump #outdoortraining #garag ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjjIX6 )
ben_vulpes: also what happened to your second b?
Bingoboingo: ben_vulpes: I switched to oglafbot and forgot to capitalize it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00047735 = 33.8919 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also Instagram doesn't work.
assbot: Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqzHJu )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta see the swole life in action
BingoBoingo: I can't from instagram though. Instagram is broken.
punkman: I get empty page even with js enabled
BingoBoingo: Actual image sites work leik https://i.imgur.com/II9MjM3.jpg
ben_vulpes: y'all need better rad suits
BingoBoingo: Seriously what Instagram is for the soul https://i.imgur.com/82BBrWd.jpg?1
BingoBoingo: My rad suit is fine. Instragram working would mean my rad suit is not fine.
assbot: Dementia Patient’s Family Keeps Ripping Her Away From Idyllic World Of 1950s - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzMs0 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00048074 = 17.547 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 288.71943, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 285.4731876, vol: 6534.40147 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 276.444, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 295.513057, vol: 102370.29150000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 287.965, vol: 0.83736814 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 288.432788986, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last average: 294.371184655
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.65, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 433.9, vol: 6534.40147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 439.28, vol: 25036.28741881 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 448.960248, vol: 102368.35830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 434.36001, vol: 31.95565143 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.269042978, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 445.854206962
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107100 @ 0.00047748 = 51.1381 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center | Business Wire ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWAJAz )
assbot: A Measure of Sacrifice ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWALsl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23633 @ 0.00048453 = 11.4509 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31555 @ 0.00048802 = 15.3995 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00047879 = 47.1129 BTC [-] {8}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Third Of Americans Not Opposed To Political Violence - http://qntra.net/2015/12/third-of-americans-not-opposed-to-political-violence/
BingoBoingo: ^ for asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00047543 = 5.8002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00047543 = 11.0062 BTC [-]
jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, custom allocators are surely an option
jurov: but atm i explore the idea that problem is not the frag, but mixing persistent objects (CBlockIndex) and the mempool
jurov: which can be fixed nicely, but has to wait day or two for definitive result
deedbot-: [Ossasepia] Foxybots v1.3 - http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/14/foxybots-v1-3/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101832 @ 0.00048632 = 49.5229 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: very cool jurov
BingoBoingo: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23811 @ 0.00048802 = 11.6202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16411 @ 0.00048519 = 7.9625 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99053 @ 0.00047668 = 47.2166 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00048418 = 16.8253 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00048802 = 24.8646 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: that's interesting jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00047542 = 20.7996 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <punkman> and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids << why one'd get any other kind of maid is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain...
mircea_popescu: !up Terry4
mircea_popescu: <assbot> BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center <<< i thought they've been launching and prelaunching thios for over a year by now.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ;;isup trilema.com << yeah not reachable atm.
mircea_popescu: !up libertalis__
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25416 @ 0.00047542 = 12.0833 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that was quick...
mircea_popescu: "Worse for the donors, they might even discover they prefer an absentee central government that doesn't centrally plan famine."
mircea_popescu: im tellin' ya, bb is getting markedly better at qntra.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00047506 = 11.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00047656 = 24.4952 BTC [+] {5}
jurov found himself studying c++ rebinding allocators... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++
danielpbarron: http://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Dallas-plumber-files-lawsuit-after-ISIS-was-seen-6695887.php >> Oberholtzer says that single photo ruined his life and business, therefore, he wants more than $1 million from the company he says disposed of the pickup, Autonation Ford Gulf Freeway in Houston.
assbot: Texas City plumber files lawsuit after ISIS was seen using his old truck - Houston Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrdydT )
mircea_popescu: oh but allow me to ftfy : * jurov found himself studying c++ <insert topic> ... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++ << said everyone ever.
adlai: !s fqa
assbot: 3 results for 'fqa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fqa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95137 @ 0.00047449 = 45.1416 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89986 @ 0.00048041 = 43.2302 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i don't see any mention of rebinding stuff even there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0004767 = 18.782 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32132 @ 0.00048662 = 15.6361 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88300 @ 0.00048889 = 43.169 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00048391 = 14.5657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00048196 = 18.0253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89550 @ 0.00048225 = 43.1855 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342788 << the only reason why a receiver could even be detectable from outside of the car is a leaking heterodyne - and NOT DOING THIS is ww2 (for fucks sake) state-of-the-art
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 06:25:07; punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection"
asciilifeform: ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product.
asciilifeform: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa (via adlai) << long-time favourite of mine. and every word is true.
assbot: C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4WXCn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62559 @ 0.00049104 = 30.719 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 12:46:39; mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24291 @ 0.00049104 = 11.9279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.0004819 = 17.758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23393 @ 0.00048923 = 11.4446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049038 = 19.7623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00049104 = 10.2136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00049113 = 28.3382 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00049196 = 48.3351 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00049038 = 1.3731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26959 @ 0.00048719 = 13.1342 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5851 @ 0.00047973 = 2.8069 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00049266 = 34.5355 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: much lulz in that c++fqa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049286 = 8.4772 BTC [+]
assbot: LPG Tanker Catches Fire in Houston Ship Channel - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQzwKJ )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up FUCK FLEANODE
ben_vulpes: ahuea
adlai: !up ascii_field
adlai: huh
adlai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'The Coast Guard said the fire occurred as the ship was loading a cargo of liquid ethylene.'
ascii_field: ^ not fuel
ascii_field: used for transporting fruit, american-style
ben_vulpes: is ethylene that much more flammable than, say, propane or 'natural' gas?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34218 @ 0.00049289 = 16.8657 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
ascii_field: heavier
ben_vulpes labors under an american ME education - "just enough to be useful"
ascii_field: 'flammable' is a complex thing
ascii_field: (flash point; how likely it is to end up near a spark; how reacts)
trinque: I've been discussing the problem of rejecting bad nodes (or having an affinity for nodes serving up good blocks/txns?) with ben_vulpes. ascii_field or mod6, perhaps you want to say something on the subj.
ben_vulpes: okay so a lighter gas would be more likely to float up and mix with ambient o2 and ignite?
trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd
ascii_field: trinque: i will say that we can't even begin to consider 'bad nodes' because nodes today HAVE NO IDENTITY
ben_vulpes: the question i bounced into #b-a is when it's acceptable for another node to relay a bastard block
ascii_field: because no crypto and no auth !!
ben_vulpes: yes yes ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: 'bastard block' is a subjective thing - it simply means that ~you~ in particular cannot find the antecedent for it
trinque: ascii_field: we discussed this as well; even assuming a trusted gossipd net, there'd still be connections out to the unwashed nether world
ascii_field: and the answer is: never
ascii_field: because said block could be anything.
ascii_field: trinque: a connection of the civilized world to the heathen world is necessarily a fortified outpost run by enthusiasts
ascii_field: cannot be considered a reliable thing in any sense
trinque: blocks/txns would not be originating inside wotnet for some time, correct?
ascii_field: txns - occasionally; blocks - not afaik
trinque: would it be reasonable to disconnect after some number of bastard blocks?
ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy
ascii_field: and on top of this,
ascii_field: when your node is young, MOST of the blocks you get from ANYBODY are 'bastard'
ascii_field: because of the sheer extent of the retardation of the sync mechanism as originally written
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product. << "planned obselecence" at least VASCAR is nekkid eye detectable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00048631 = 19.0634 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:10:11; ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy
ben_vulpes: still, steady state behavior deserves at least a little look.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Miners Enforcing BIP 65: Plan for SPV Miner Forks - http://qntra.net/2015/12/miners-enforcing-bip-65-plan-for-spv-miner-forks/
BingoBoingo: !up chmod755
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103050 @ 0.00049263 = 50.7655 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: U.S. Navy's New LCS Towed to Port After Breaking Down Off Virginia - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkDnT3 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52628 @ 0.00048884 = 25.7267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00048884 = 10.0212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82350 @ 0.00048613 = 40.0328 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Legislation targets Mizzou football team strike : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklMxW )
assbot: Kansas City TV crew robbed at gunpoint; 3 suspects arrested : Entertainment ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklQxI )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: I think assbot blinked yesterday
ascii_field: http://www.embraerds.com/english/content/combat/tucano_origin.asp << from the dept. of technocollapse & regression to old tech; prop fighters are... back?!
assbot: Embraer Defesa & Segurança ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYOJgZ )
BingoBoingo had to reup
ascii_field: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
ascii_field: 'My OpenBSD 5.7 CD arrived with a green label affixed to the shipping
ascii_field: packaging that claimed it had been inspected by some U.S.A. customs
ascii_field: department. It had actually been opened and resealed and the green label
ascii_field: placed on it to inform me of said tampering.'
thestringpuller: ascii_field: why does war never change?
BingoBoingo waits for pete_dushenski to take Junkers Ju 88 out of cosmoline
thestringpuller: "So seek peace. But prepare for war. Because war… war never changes." - ulysses s. grant
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.8, vol: 13005.99259328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 8894.14121 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.07, vol: 30103.41183115 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 0.8 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 457.1244, vol: 101308.37600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.62, vol: 297.75261732 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.4212, vol: 75.05928953 | Volume-weighted last average: 453.030161813
ascii_field: unrelatedly,
assbot: shelf life time of a ROM, EEPROM, EPROM vs Mask Rom ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYQn2o )
ascii_field: 'I think it's unlikely that it will be possible to keep any electronic equipment manufactured after the mid-1990s operating for more than 25-50 years, in part due to the floating gate problem (even in places you don't expect it, because *many* chips now contain flash memory even if you don't know about it)... ...50 years from now we'll probably still have a working PDP-1, but sadly not too many working HP-35 calculators.'
ascii_field: found the thread while looking for anything like actual longevity data on EPROMs
BingoBoingo: Now we've got a fucking deadline
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: wut
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Unless we move to PDP-11 and don't solve this Bitcoin thing in 20 years we will be out of machines.
BingoBoingo: Unless we start making fresh eeproms
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: the decay in question is charge dissipation, rather than whole-chip fail
ascii_field: the question is simply 'how long do the bits stay flipped'
ascii_field: answer is, apparently, 'nobody actually ever knew'
ascii_field: some 1980s devices still work. others - not
ascii_field: typically in a piece of konsoomer crud, something else (e.g. electrolytic cap) blew and no one found out how long eprom could last
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98450 @ 0.00048616 = 47.8625 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: but it would stand to reason that, if designing for ultra-long life, you might want to use multiple roms and a voting circuit...
ascii_field: so i wanted to calculate, how many ?
BingoBoingo: Still, bits unflipping on EEPROM seems... like a problem... Unless they can be reflipped...
ascii_field: (though same applies to eeprom in spades)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71851 @ 0.00048884 = 35.1236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42450 @ 0.00049098 = 20.8421 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYSZgu )
BingoBoingo: "BUS1 isn't being developed by just some unknown individuals, but systemd developer David Herrmann and Kay Sievers seem to be the lead (and only) developers working on it thus far."
ascii_field: if at first the shit won't stick, throw, throw again !
BingoBoingo: At least this means KDBUS is now dead before merged
jurov: pity. almost proposed adding dbus to reference client.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo played with adding low-s signing to his bastard client seems to work. Prior to 0.9 Bitcoin used whatever S-came arrived at first. Then in run up to 0.9 even-S was tested. Then low-S settled upon. Malleating nodes making duplicate transactions appear in my history got to be a hassel.
thestringpuller: read that as fellating nodes
jurov: are pre-BIP-16 txs malleated too?
jurov: (reference clients accepts only them, i did not look into this)
BingoBoingo: Ones from address beginning wit 1 malleated, so...
jurov: no, BIP-16 is widely applied to 1xxxxx addresses, too
jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :)
BingoBoingo: I started bastard wallet with 0.7-ish branch, so it can see some limited multisig, but... should be normal tx sent out
BingoBoingo: This is something prolly ought to look into moar
jurov: yep, part of it will either need to be backported or deprecated
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343024 << how recent? e.g., works happily with 0.8.6 even
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:33:23; jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :)
ascii_field: in either direction.
jurov: don't know. electrum produces P2SH transactions, that's how i found out.
ascii_field: would seem to be an argument in favour of throwing out electrum
ascii_field: rather than the reference client.
jurov: that's easy for you to say, you don't touch actual bitcoins
ascii_field does - very occasionally - use bitcoin
jurov: electrum should be easy to fix, that's not an issue. i'm just glad i won't have to decide this.
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for
BingoBoingo: * ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for << "lite" wallet that polls server. Might be useful "on the run" if have own server somewhere.
jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D
ascii_field: jurov: scheduled for excision ?
ascii_field: IT'S A FUCKING REFERENCE CLIENT
ascii_field: if it can't rebootstrap bitcoin on alpha centauri, IT'S NOT A REFERENCE
ascii_field: ergo wallet stays.
ascii_field: i thought we went through this ?
jurov: yes we went thought this. with completely different memories, apparently.
ascii_field: now splitting it into another proggy? sure
ascii_field: iirc that's where the thread went.
jurov: it will prolly end up easier to remove it completely that trying it to make standing on its own
ascii_field: then you don't have pedigreed bitcoin.
ascii_field: which afaik was the whole motherfuking point of trb
jurov: whatever. i know my own hand is not steady enough for this surgery.
ascii_field: the separation is a mighty gnarly job, aha
ascii_field: esp. if you want sane behaviour (wallet-over-rs232)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00048877 = 38.0752 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: oh, while jurov is awake,
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/keystore.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sfqy )
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected identifier search: AddToMemoryPoolUnchecked ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sj9O )
jurov: ah,that.
jurov: i broke something, must redo whole database
assbot: Intel AMT-how to disable and verify - Lenovo Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5tl5q )
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:03:27; ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342925 << yeah, this has been the consensus here since we started looking at it.
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:04:45; trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd
mircea_popescu: assbot:BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix <<< ahahaha mkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343041 << a transactionator - A SANE TRANSACTIONATOR is actually pretty high up in the "stuff to do" list.
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:50:10; jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D
mircea_popescu: i'd link to trilema but apparently it's a lean monday or something.
jurov: asciilifeform: lxr fixed
mircea_popescu: "This is C++ FQA Lite. C++ is a general-purpose programming language, not necessarily suitable for your special purpose."
jurov: which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option?
assbot: net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt – Gentoo Packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdRaTy )
mircea_popescu: gentoo's a fallen thing.
mircea_popescu: But wait, there's more! C++ supports a wide variety of explicit and implicit type conversions, so now we have a nice set of rules describing the cartesian product of all those types, specifically, how conversion should be handled for each pair of types. For example, if your function accepts const std::vector<const char*>& (which is supposed to mean "a reference to an immutable vector of pointers to immutable built-in s
mircea_popescu: trings"), and I have a std::vector<char*> object ("a mutable vector of mutable built-in strings"), then I can't pass it to your function because the types aren't convertible. You have to admit that it doesn't make any sense, because your function guarantees that it won't change anything, and I guarantee that I don't even mind having anything changed, and still the C++ type system gets in the way and the only sane worka
mircea_popescu: round is to copy the vector. And this is an extremely simple example - no virtual inheritance, no user-defined conversion operators, etc.
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: At the bottom line, throw/catch are about as useful as longjmp/setjmp (BTW, the former typically runs faster, but it's mere existence makes the rest of the code run slower, which is almost never acknowledged by C++ aficionados).
mircea_popescu: aha. lol.
jurov: in same venue, happened upon new c++11 std::random features (http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2013/n3551.pdf)
jurov: the're like, imminent heat death of universe preppers
jurov: with their elaborate entropy management
jurov: and the contrived examples...to roll 2 fair dice: static std::discrete_distribution<> /* follows 12 rows with histogram ennumerated as floats*/
mircea_popescu: well that was an instructive read
mircea_popescu: "The economic tyranny of the late Roman Empire had left a devastated polity, a culture in Western Europe that had lost its knowledge of civilized commercial practice and accustomed to seeing government not as a source of any productive assistance to commerce, but only a destroyer of commerce from which commerce must hide. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92266 @ 0.00049062 = 45.2675 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50039 @ 0.0004859 = 24.314 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80400 @ 0.00048587 = 39.0639 BTC [-]
mod6: <+jurov> which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option? << yeah.
BingoBoingo: In other news disorderly conduct misdemeanor has been dismissed
BingoBoingo: Well, dismissed with leave, but that part should hopefully be resolved on Friday at court date.
mircea_popescu: so you comin' over for drinks n hussies ?
BingoBoingo: NExt conference is in 16 months? hopefully should have life put back together sufficiently by then.
mircea_popescu: at teh earliest.
BingoBoingo: Case ended with the compromise where I take a drug risk education course and they quit. Avoided the possibility of stupid/hostile judge at hearing/trial.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00048588 = 21.4516 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Not an ideal or maximally lulzworthy resolution, but at $150 to retain lawyer, $200 for hearing prep, and $120 for class hosted by private party St Clair County recieved 0 dollars.
mircea_popescu: uh... why's drugs blabla involved in all this ?
BingoBoingo: Because their default reflex is assume drugs/alcohol are involved in evil.
BingoBoingo: Rest of the class was all in there for DUI
BingoBoingo: It's retarded, but also a fiat matter
trinque: .b #ub=
BingoBoingo: Case only took 2.5 years of state's time though.
mircea_popescu: i suppose next time you send the clerk over to do derpclass.
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 23:23:34; jurov: asciilifeform: lxr fixed
BingoBoingo: derpaclerk is busy whoring attention
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343080 << not unlike every single necessary thing elsewhere
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 23:44:24; mircea_popescu: gentoo's a fallen thing.
BingoBoingo: DOS 3 is still around
mircea_popescu: French housewives were using recipes to make, along with food, glue, ink, and so on, marble grains for an hour-glass:
mircea_popescu: "Take the grease which comes from the sawdust of marble when those great tombs of black marble be sawn, then boil it well in wine like a piece of meat and skim it, and then set it out to dry in the sun; and boil, skim and dry nine times; and thus it will be good."
mircea_popescu: Such a recipe presumably creates grains of a size in a precise ratio to a standard hour-glass neck size, thus producing an accurate time.”
mircea_popescu: dude what the everloving fuck is wrong with szabo.
mircea_popescu: he can't be this dumb.
mircea_popescu: "The origin of the sandglass is quite obscure, but its accuracy relies on a precise ratio between the neck width and the grain diameter."
asciilifeform: holy fuck
BingoBoingo: perhaps he went adlai, knows what color 42 is
mircea_popescu: first off! the construction of that last phrase is wrong.
asciilifeform confesses that he did not read that far in
mircea_popescu: second off : grain diameter ? what the holy shit ? he imagines they ground marble down to molecular size ?
BingoBoingo: It's good to see someone faund the timekeeping lulz
mircea_popescu: STANDARD neck size in 1394 ?!
mircea_popescu: the russkis didn't have standard barrel size on theior fucking tanks by 1940
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343090 << sadly, pheatures like this are pretty much always implemented with pseudorandom garbage.
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 00:05:18; jurov: and the contrived examples...to roll 2 fair dice: static std::discrete_distribution<> /* follows 12 rows with histogram ennumerated as floats*/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is to me an almost guarantee by now that pedanticism in that context guarantees ineptitude of an epic scale
mircea_popescu: i suppose the quotes above are apropos.
asciilifeform: not only,
asciilifeform: but what, compiler is going to insert an entropy gatherer in the build ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would he think that the topic of origin and the topic of the origin of accuracy are related ?
asciilifeform: or we expect stdlib to have it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, if one uses a few casts and whatnot, the linker prolly has it.
mircea_popescu: that's why you gotta write crypto in c++
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: only with lsd.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343101 << congrats BingoBoingo, is a free man now ?!
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 01:59:55; BingoBoingo: In other news disorderly conduct misdemeanor has been dismissed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ish. Still located in USia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yeah but afaik nothing keeps you there now
asciilifeform: could get on next boat.
BingoBoingo: Might take a while to get to docks, so not next boat. Some boat though.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343105 << did i miss a thread ? no trilemaconf this year ?
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 02:05:46; BingoBoingo: NExt conference is in 16 months? hopefully should have life put back together sufficiently by then.
BingoBoingo: remember MP is shopping countries first
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that he did and then just went and got a bigger flat in b-a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got some flats in romania, too. not so strictly related
asciilifeform: well related in the sense of moar fun habitation
mircea_popescu: "To improve the productivity of the time rate contract required two breakthroughs: the first, creating the conditions under which sacrifice is a better estimate of value than piece rate or other measurement alternative"
mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, so he IS aware piece rate exists.
mircea_popescu: this may be the most confused, anti-thought essay i've ever read.
mircea_popescu: "The undesirability of servitude, from the point of view of the laborer at least, is obvious. Serfs and slaves faced brutal work conditions, floggings, starvation, very short life spans, and the inability to escape no matter how bad conditions got. "
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking obvious. my slavegirls by a fat margin prefer slavery (which is not servitude just like whales are not fish), and work a lot better than any fucking employees anyone ever had.
asciilifeform: aha but they're gurlz
asciilifeform: and that's how spamodin made them
mircea_popescu: there are two kinds of fools in this world, the sort that thinks women are equal to men ; and the sort that thinks women are unequal to men in all things.
asciilifeform: wasn't it mircea_popescu who just recently posted a spiffy piece re: herd animals and what sex the meat processing plant uses to fill a herd ?
mircea_popescu: so he did.
mircea_popescu: those herds do no work.
asciilifeform: they do in cn
asciilifeform: (and a few other 'meat + milk' systems)
mircea_popescu: Thus second main drawback to piece rates is that they motivate the worker to put out more quantity at the expense of quality. This can be devastating. The tendency of communist countries to pay piece rates, rather than hourly rates, is one reason that, while the Soviet bloc’s quantity (and thus the most straightforward measurements of economic growth) was able to keep up with the West, quality did not (thus the
mircea_popescu: contrast, for example, between the notoriously ugly and unreliable Trabant of East Germany and the BMWs, Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagens of West Germany).
mircea_popescu: holy shit...
mircea_popescu: i can't look away.
asciilifeform: i love how everyone always goes straight to trabant and not to, say, the tech that STILL WORKS and that i CAN'T MOTHERFUKING BUY AT ANY PRICE in usa
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mircea_popescu: "everyone"
asciilifeform: almost like every idiot anglo reads the SAME 3 'sovietologies'
mircea_popescu: this guy reads like a paralogia fantastica 15yo gurl.
asciilifeform: and parrots, parrots.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, a) the trabant was not notoriously ugly. in fact, beats the beetle.
mircea_popescu: b) does anyone have any fucking idea how cheap it was ?
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the car the us manufactures out of ~300 bucks.
mircea_popescu: had a god damned two-time engine worth what, 7 hp ? weed whacker level.
BingoBoingo: Apparently 18 hp, riding lawnmower class!
mircea_popescu: that's the later model.
mircea_popescu: there were like 3. shit, they even had a sedan.
mircea_popescu: it could fit i think two whole galons of shopping.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343192 << 300 doesn't even buy 20% of a single one of the mandatory 2+ 'airbags'
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 02:45:53; mircea_popescu: i wish to see the car the us manufactures out of ~300 bucks.
mircea_popescu: i hope i didn't get my off the cuff cast too far off.
mircea_popescu: "Time-rate employment provides a major productivity improvement over servitude or (usually) piece rates." << amusingly, according to the soviets themselves, and the "golden age" romanians too, the main driver of sovieteconomy fail was the timewage.
mircea_popescu: and the introduction of piece rate a magnificent americanism.
asciilifeform: in india, they went further and applied the magnificent americanism to programmers
asciilifeform: so that we can enjoy 10,001-line unrolled 'for' loops
mircea_popescu: there is no closed form solution to humanity.
mircea_popescu: thanks god.
mircea_popescu: "Laborers were, even before the advent of the clock, commonly paid by the day. But how long is a “day”? It couldn’t be just daylight hours; this makes for a longer workday than employer and employer might otherwise agree to, and in northern latitudes it varies quite substantially within a year. With the rather heterogeneous measures of time, employer could cheat the employee out of hours, or vice versa, unl
mircea_popescu: ess they had a securely independent standard of time."
mircea_popescu: except not, especially if they work for a whole year, which everyone prefers to do anyway seeing how winter's not summer.
mircea_popescu: jesus i can't believe what i just read.
mircea_popescu: how is this possible! szabo was an intelligent, well read, erudite fellow!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48148 @ 0.00048581 = 23.3908 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://www.uznai-pravdu.com/viewtopic.php?t=3574 << megalith rant re: cars in su and morals etc.
assbot: Узнай-правду! (ru) • Просмотр темы - Почему Запорожец лучше Мерседеса? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtT0BP )
asciilifeform: perhaps for mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform can't be arsed to translate - long.
mircea_popescu can't be arsed to read, was there.
asciilifeform: ''zaporozhets' cost 1,000 bottles of vodka.'
mircea_popescu: and vodka was ~50 cents the bottle, at black market rate.
mircea_popescu: checkj me out!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: neato, l0l
nubbins`: thought the details seemed familiar, did some minor snooping
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are many curious things in those heathen lands.
ben_vulpes: whoa, no bingoboingo?!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bingoboingo many congratulations
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343159 << very much so, thread was on moving to cn, you expressed incredulity, no party this year
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 02:28:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343105 << did i miss a thread ? no trilemaconf this year ?
ben_vulpes: grand shame considering the wine and steak cost/quality curve in bsas
asciilifeform: wake me up for ulan batur
asciilifeform: or can haz norilsk ?
ben_vulpes: what, we're doing novelty slums nao?
ben_vulpes would still attend, miserable multiday train rides notwithstanding
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu likes slums
ben_vulpes: uno minimo respeto por la serenissima
ben_vulpes has fond memories of los cubanos en la grande manzana
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72050 @ 0.00048748 = 35.1229 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes off to duct tape more open sores together
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball should i fry an egg for this hamncheese?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
ben_vulpes: easy peasy
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00048097 = 21.6917 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30767 @ 0.00048963 = 15.0644 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.0004903 = 37.3609 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
asciilifeform: another melted switch ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00048055 = 9.635 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: first rule of ddos is dont talk about its impact on trilemma
asciilifeform: lulzy climatocalypse here in mordor
asciilifeform: i'mabout to switch on the ac
asciilifeform: in, yes, middle of dec.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28348 @ 0.00048052 = 13.6218 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343236 << incidentally, wtf is ben_vulpes still doing in usaschwitz ?
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 03:32:39; ben_vulpes: grand shame considering the wine and steak cost/quality curve in bsas
asciilifeform: could direct $firm from elsewhere, no ?
asciilifeform: or does apple's compiler stop running when the southern cross is in the sky ?
ben_vulpes: you remember those tacks?
trinque: asciilifeform │ lulzy climatocalypse here in mordor << I'm in the woods in PA visiting; it's t-shirt weather.
ben_vulpes: lemme put it this way: it's hard to run a global short on the shartupconomy without finding takers on the long side.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00049065 = 28.2614 BTC [+]
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