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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108105 @ 0.00050083 = 54.1422 BTC [+] {5}
trinque: ben_vulpes: it'll be fine!
assbot: Evidence for extensive horizontal gene transfer from the draft genome of a tardigrade ... ( http://bit.ly/1lIQqAR )
ben_vulpes: trinque: NOTHING IS FINE
trinque: I knew it was one of those.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7980 @ 0.00049734 = 3.9688 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00050473 = 9.6403 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Independent Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBTjfu )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5242 @ 0.00050512 = 2.6478 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Fossil fuel companies risk wasting $2tn of investors' money, study says | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nsi01w )
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-11-2015#1331197 nice idea, except soviets never knew how to do this.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 01:05:54; mircea_popescu: ie, much better than now. the empire wants them to work, and will whip them just enough to actually get some work done.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 01:05:54; mircea_popescu: ie, much better than now. the empire wants them to work, and will whip them just enough to actually get some work done.
jurov: aderp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00050513 = 4.9836 BTC [+]
punkman: a story about a congo http://dpaste.com/0YYERDW.txt
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15636 @ 0.00049734 = 7.7764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 319 @ 0.00329033 = 1.0496 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18873 @ 0.00049797 = 9.3982 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00049734 = 7.858 BTC [-]
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thestringpuller: davout: per our interview. i think there is a bug in coinbase's model that paymium solved already. seems that if underlying banking partners integrated with Coinbase have a problem with a Coinbase account they tell coinbase "Shut this guy of completely or we stop letting you integrate with us."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.0005052 = 21.1931 BTC [+] {2}
davout: thestringpuller: in our case the banking partner shuts the EUR account down
davout: and that's it
davout: then it's handled directly between the banking partner and the end user
davout: and we simply refund the customer of their BTC
davout: tbh the end result is similar
thestringpuller: Well from what I've researched they also cut off the invoicing.
davout: hmm
thestringpuller: So businesses get hurt without any kind of warning.
davout: we close the account too, but probably not for the same reason
davout: the reason for us is that it just doesn't really make sense to only have the BTC part usable
thestringpuller: Seems European banks are more reasonable than the US...
thestringpuller: Coinbase is gagged by the banks. "Bank Secrecy Act", so no one will ever know why their account was closed over here.
davout: honestly, i think it's pretty much the same shit everywhere with slightly different coatings
jurov: did it already happen at paymium?
jurov: like, they closed the acct due to,say, money laundering but no one was interested in btc side of it?
davout: i don't think we were ever requested to freeze a bitcoin balance
davout: eur accounts got frozen, but that's pretty much about it
thestringpuller: davout: but even in that instance end user can talk to bank and be like "Yo why you freezing my shit nigga?"
thestringpuller: with CBSE it's "Get the fuck out of here. Sorry we fucked up your shit."
jurov: yes i can hire french lawyer and start talking with the bank (or court)
davout: thestringpuller: yes, that's correct, they actually have someone to talk to at an institution that's regulated, they are legally a direct customer of the financial institution
punkman: davout, do they tell you why the freeze any particular account?
jurov: lol why would they
thestringpuller: Coinbase is clearly ill conceived then, if the end user has to obey banking regulations but cannot talk to the financial institution. And of course CBSE being a middleman plays dumb "We're just following orders."
thestringpuller: It's a scam.
davout: punkman: no, they don't. what you have to understand, is that from their point of view, we're simply shuffling euros around in their books
jurov: the question is, can sane btcusd exchange exist in the US jurisdiction at all?
davout: we simply tell them: "move 10€ from peter to john's" account
davout: (obv. very simplified example)
punkman: davout, so you just get API ERROR: FROZEN or something when you try to move money?
davout: jurov: i think by definition you'll never be able to get rid of the fiat stench if your job is handling it
davout: punkman: pretty much
jurov: punkman if you were in davout's place would you wish to know the gory details anyway?
jurov: i'd very much prefer not to
thestringpuller: davout: but in your case you can at least give your customers a chance to clean the stench off of them.
thestringpuller: or fight the institution that be.
thestringpuller: Paymium in this stance is neutral. Which is how it should be
thestringpuller: Coinbase fights for the banks.
punkman: davout: so does this happen often?
davout: punkman: no
davout: the financial partner is pretty anal about letting people inside in the first place (which mostly explains why our volume is weak)
davout: the problem being the bitcoin is scary, and that they're in the business of covering their sorry ass, while we're in the business of doing business
davout: (which is why we'll very probably change partners in the very near future)
thestringpuller: I've always wondered when the first cash only exchange will pop on Tor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00050526 = 11.722 BTC [+]
davout: thestringpuller: it exists, except it's informal, faceless and nameless
davout: :D
davout: pretty unsurprisingly bitcoin is sold there at a 5 to 10% premium (in my experience)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller 2012.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 04:52:03; assbot: Europe's Latest Solution for the Refugee Shelter Shortage: Cruise Ships - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlEdvF )
mircea_popescu: why not space capsules!
mircea_popescu: flow them all up to the space station!
mircea_popescu: !up cryptone
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2015#1331365 << also true. but the advantage of playing armchair Cpt Counterfactual is that you needn't be disturbed by reality.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 10:25:39; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-11-2015#1331197 nice idea, except soviets never knew how to do this.
mircea_popescu: "But if you’re in Walnut Canyon in 1150 A.D., these guys are totally amazing! They’ve got canals, stone buildings, and advanced ceramics. They were so far ahead of everybody they knew, that they are absolutely the smartest guys anybody has ever heard of. They’re the pinnacle of human achievement. They’re the Stone-Age Stanford. They’re the MIT of black and white pottery."
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with ustards ? seriously now ?
mircea_popescu: can't write on any topic without channeling one's 7th grade football coach doing a pep talk ?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they're not even wrong, too far gone off the map to even be wrong : what the fuck is with this mentally slow 12yo style of communication!
punkman: it's from a pep talk
mircea_popescu: by definition of pep talk and archeology, there can not be an archeology pep talk.
mircea_popescu: also "progressive" and "advanced" do not mean the same thing, they mean the opposite thing. so they're not interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: this guy should stick to cleaning floors or w/e he does for a living, exterminate rodents.
mircea_popescu: "Fossil fuel companies risk wasting up to $2tn (£1.3tn) of investors’ money in the next decade on projects left worthless by global action on climate change and the surge in clean energy, according to a new report."
mircea_popescu: bwahahahah ooookay.
mircea_popescu: that's what i'm worried about, coal mines and oil wells. not the amazon/google/facebook/apple babyblue-chip bs.
mircea_popescu: people will sit around in the dark waiting for the cloujds to clear so they can water their farmville crops, while oil wells will sit capped and waiting for them to die out because "oil is not fashionable". this is totally happening. and it'll matter.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2015#1331421 << i can confirm that part, i evaluated their attitude at some point coupla years ago, found it much too far from obsequious, opted to ignore them.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 13:25:38; davout: the financial partner is pretty anal about letting people inside in the first place (which mostly explains why our volume is weak)
mircea_popescu: business will have to learn that it has to do a lot of cocksucking of btc folks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00050354 = 2.1652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00050354 = 3.6758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.0004985 = 15.4286 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00050529 = 10.409 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Independent Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3MIfz )
asciilifeform: 'Yahoo! confirmed reports that it is preventing some Yahoo Mail users from seeing their e-mails until they turn off their ad-blocking software. Users started complaining late last week on social media and ad-blocking forums that a message prompting them to disable ad-blocking software appeared when they tried to view their e-mail. On Monday, a company spokeswoman said the notices were a limited experiment. “At Yahoo, we are
asciilifeform: continually developing and testing new product experiences,” the spokeswoman said in a statement. “This is a test we're running for a small number of Yahoo Mail users.”'
shinohai: In other news, people are still using yahoo mail.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00050566 = 14.3355 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: so? people would have used mtgox if it still existed, too, despite it would have not paid anything for 2 years :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15265 @ 0.00049884 = 7.6148 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin above $300 on turn of Christmas - http://bitbet.us/bet/1189/bitcoin-above-300-on-turn-of-christmas/#b30
assbot: Ossessione Script at IMSDb. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9oBhJ )
mircea_popescu: pops up first result in google, because totally.
mircea_popescu: now i'm gonna have to go in and take dialogue down by hand ? WHAT GOOD ARE YOU INTERNETS
punkman: could get dialogue from subtitles
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00049797 = 3.9838 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Trilema] A modern lovestory : Ioan Niculaie & Diana Guresoaie. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-modern-lovestory-ioan-niculaie-diana-guresoaie/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00049796 = 14.8641 BTC [-] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] President Hussein Bahamas Ends National Security Speech With "Happy Thanksgiving" - http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/
BingoBoingo: ^ For mircea_popescu
assbot: The Nation's Criminals Can't Keep Up With The Government's Legalized Theft Programs | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1PORRu1 )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: EEVblog #822 - World's Worst Tablet Computer Teardown - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POTyaJ )
kakobrekla: medical grade no doubt
ascii_field: naturally.
ascii_field: 'Some choice titles : Operiatiunea dulapul' << l0l
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.000506 = 4.3516 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i miss the significance ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, just Bahamas giving thanks over ISIS and another chance to use the picture
BingoBoingo: Don't really need much other joke when the existence of Hussein Bahamas is the joke.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.000506 = 15.8378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00050061 = 11.9646 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: In 2014 alone, US Attorneys "forfeited" $4.5 billion. This dollar amount now places federal law enforcement at the top of the list of of "People Who Take Stuff That Belongs To Others."
mircea_popescu: shoot the cop in the gut on sight, what.
ascii_field: spear. better against kevlar armour.
mircea_popescu: lol harpoon
punkman: assbot: EEVblog #822 - World's Worst Tablet Computer Teardown << that battery pack, ermahgerd
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/immanent/imminent/
trinque: though I could see an angle for either word there.
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
BingoBoingo: trinque: Difference?
trinque: immanent would be in the ballpark of "inherent"
mircea_popescu: immanence is a kantian concept ; imminence is the state of proximity in time of a future item to the present.
jurov: "immanent threats" caused me to remember G.W.Bush, with weird twinge at heart
mircea_popescu: you're getting old.
jurov: owww
jurov: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TQK5AW.txt )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00050169 = 8.6291 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049846 = 4.7852 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: ISIS Fuel Tankers Unharmed When US Planes Run Out of Ammo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAby0Z )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Before hitting the trucks, the American forces dropped leaflets warning that an attack was coming, and as truck drivers are deemed to be non-combatants, they were told to "get out of your trucks now and run away from them" before the airstrikes hit.'
ascii_field: aha, why would usg shoot its own beloved pets
mircea_popescu: more like, drivers leaving trucks did more damage than the enitre rest of the ops.
assbot: Russian Bank, Ex-Official Added To U.S. Sanctions List On Syria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa7Lzf )
ascii_field: ^ usg 'sanctions'... chairman of 'world chess federation'
mircea_popescu: what are they gonna do, steal his cash and car if he drives through washington dc ?
ascii_field: somethinglikethat
mircea_popescu: this totlaly needs to be privatized.
ben_vulpes: mostly already is, in the sense that the "police" forces are only nominally public entities in that part of the country.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38715 @ 0.00049656 = 19.2243 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: you know, i suppose i'd like the us a lot more if the people running the private "scam the suckers" entreprises there were literate and spoke enlish
mircea_popescu: i only ever liked romania, or any other place come to think of it, for that kind of reason.
assbot: Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | JavaWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAedaY )
assbot: CPSR - document_view ... ( http://bit.ly/1LAenzb )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0005047 = 6.1826 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: "Application Specific Information: *** error for object 0x11d00cc08: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed." << my motherfucking ~dictionary~ keeps crashing and sending this error message.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.000506 = 6.9322 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.0005061 = 28.4934 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: haha! solvèd! just had to delete com.apple.Dictionary.plist. magique, ca.
pete_dushenski: turns out the 'apple support communities' aren't complete refuse.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39850 @ 0.00050674 = 20.1936 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: !up imposter
pete_dushenski: "If you're blown away by the idea that fewer than 100 people control as much wealth as half the world today, imagine how concentrated money used to be." << lol and will be.
assbot: Who Is The Richest Person Ever? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xgys9N )
pete_dushenski: crassus estimated at $2 tn, wins.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00050678 = 4.2646 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: " A postal worker in New York City has been accused of a hate crime after harassing a Muslim woman with an infant in a stroller. He was arrested by Brooklyn police after launching an anti-Muslim tirade and reportedly spitting at the woman."
pete_dushenski: "Coley is quoted in police documents as saying “You bumbaclot Muslim,” a phrase containing a Jamaican expletive. “I’m going to burn your Muslim temple down,” he added, before spitting on the woman several times."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24398 @ 0.00049991 = 12.1968 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00049669 = 26.2749 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.000496 / 0.00049987 / 0.00050678 (2546417 shares, 1,272.90 BTC), 7D: 0.000496 / 0.00051043 / 0.00052794 (24057109 shares, 12,279.61 BTC), 30D: 0.00048633 / 0.00053083 / 0.00057294 (63295883 shares, 33,599.36 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.dope
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VCV09V.txt )
pete_dushenski: lol assbot's too dumb to sling tobacco
pete_dushenski: "The extent to which people in the right tail of wealth are highly educated and cognitively able was examined in a sample of 18,245 ultra high net worth (UHNW) individuals with net worth's of USD $30 million plus."
pete_dushenski: " Overall, these people were highly educated and cognitively able, and smarter"
pete_dushenski: "Jewish individuals were overrepresented by a factor of about 234. Today, the typical UHNW individual profile includes U.S. married (Christian and Jewish) men who are largely Chairman and CEO, Republican, and earned their money in finance, banking and investments."
pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec
assbot: They Move Us: The Canadian Rocky Mountains – Hecktic Travels ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5pk19 )
assbot: This is Winter in Quebec – Hecktic Travels ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5plSU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050679 = 9.6543 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Virtual Currency / Cyber Intel Analyst Job in Vienna 22182, Virginia US ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5spyj )
pete_dushenski: "Certified Ethical Hacker (preferred)" << ummm...
pete_dushenski: what's needed to obtain one's 'certified ethical hacker' license ? a hand-written note to hitler ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's actually this paid-for exam thing. pretty boring.
mod6: I found a bug in v99998 K of my v.pl.
mod6: When pressing, if you name your output directory starting with a 'v', it gets confused and names the output press directory the name of the HEAD vpatch given.
mod6: this was because of line 289
mod6: /v|verbose/ should be: /^v$|^verbose$/
mod6: i've fixed this locally, and am testing currently.
mod6: (added an automated test for this, passed.)
mod6: also changed were two extraneous tabs that got in there during the refactorization of the ante/desc subroutines.
mod6: replaced those with spaces.
mod6: oh and removed two spots where there was a trailing space at the end of a line.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00050408 = 5.4189 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: here's a vdiff of the changes (for now): http://dpaste.com/0NHDQBG.txt
mod6: i actually have a v-genesis.vpatch for this new v99997 version as well.
mod6: but I think this update will be a full-everything-signed distribution again. and if this version is acceptable, maybe I'll publish the genesis of it sometime later.
mod6: anyway, my apologies for missing that stuff on the last go-around :/
mod6: asciilifeform: if the Foundation is going to host & sign OpenSSL/Boost/BDB, I'll also need to host buildroot + buildroots deps, no?
BingoBoingo: Eventually Foundation will probably host 486 schematics
mod6: hah
mod6: Anyway, that's one major task still hanging out there. I'd like to get that done before we ``release''. Have all the required deps signed & hosted so that the rotor-build script I've been passing around can be changed to pull the stuff directly from the foundation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00050698 = 4.6642 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: wth
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes pete_dushenski https://i.imgur.com/cTutORZ.png
pete_dushenski: NO to woman's perspective, YES to men's !
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously though. Is pantagruel up to benching and squatting plates, or is he still working on an unloaded bar.
BingoBoingo: From the good book "Blessed are the swole, for they will inherit the earth - Masshuge 5:5"
pete_dushenski: panta's firmly in the 'roll-over on own, stand-up with one held hand for balance' category.
BingoBoingo: So still another few weeks?
pete_dushenski: at the outside
BingoBoingo: Ah,"Thus, when you pray in the squat rack, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the Smith machines and on the ellipticals, that they may be praised by others. For they work for false gains of false praise." - Masshuge 6:2
BingoBoingo: I never knew this stuff was in the bible
pete_dushenski: channeling danielpbarron ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: My sobriety has given me free time so I am exploring the world's many religions and comparing them. At the moment Brodinism seems to be winning.
pete_dushenski: waddyaknow
pete_dushenski: well, i'm out like a trout. laters!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: from "let's panic about babies", according to the girl.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Ah, I dunno the original source.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that is a good book
ben_vulpes: /the/ good book
ben_vulpes: not let's panic about babies, but masshuge
BingoBoingo: ah, yeah
BingoBoingo: It gets confusing all these "The [adjective] Book" titles
BingoBoingo: there's the good book, the big book, the little black book, the BBQook
ben_vulpes: el capitan quest, day three: os x still refuses to upgrade xcode 6 to xcode 7.1, a prerequisite for el capitan (or is it the other way around? once i run all of these permutations i'll have to check that set).
BingoBoingo: Just correct your machines and put them on OS 7.5.1
ben_vulpes: no man you don't understand
ben_vulpes: my fate is horrendous cobbled-together towers of abstractions
ben_vulpes: made of chairs
mod6: sounds hairy
BingoBoingo: Have you tried squatting it in sets of 5?
ben_vulpes: the macbook is too heavy to press, it's not like an air or anything
ben_vulpes: 2kg man
ben_vulpes: it's just too much for my puny frame
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
mircea_popescu: investopedia article fails to mention fugger ? derps.
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 01:20:10; mod6: asciilifeform: if the Foundation is going to host & sign OpenSSL/Boost/BDB, I'll also need to host buildroot + buildroots deps, no?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, you could work your way up starting with an apple newton, and maybe someday achive an IBM AS/400 ans still further in the future a system/360 "box"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331631 << phun phakt, i have a mac here, but can't build anything for current macs because... it was made in '09
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 02:46:43; ben_vulpes: el capitan quest, day three: os x still refuses to upgrade xcode 6 to xcode 7.1, a prerequisite for el capitan (or is it the other way around? once i run all of these permutations i'll have to check that set).
asciilifeform: and won't run anything past 10.7.
mod6: yeah, i was thinking that was the case Mr. P. Just wanted to throw it out there before I start pulling 'em
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what a blessing
asciilifeform: the thing is almost fantastically useless
asciilifeform: but at one point i needed to run a java turd for some teleconference thing and it worked.
ben_vulpes: isn't it a delightful little hell?
ben_vulpes: so trivially miserable
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i forget, you have one for building softs for ipNohe ..?
mircea_popescu: what;'s the rub ? can't put enough ram on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, though it has permanently soldered ram. it is simply that crapple refuses to support the gpu
mircea_popescu: oh you need the gpu ?
asciilifeform: decided 'if your box was made in '09 nothing past 10.7 will install'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't have one because of that
asciilifeform: crapple's os does not degrade, gracefully or otherwise
asciilifeform: it demands 'xyz hardware or go fuck yourself'
mircea_popescu: sorta like us.
ben_vulpes: but $shop uses macs to deploy software on macware
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cannot even replace persistent storage devices in 'crapple' portables of late
ben_vulpes: oh and surely i've bitched about the hilarious external port layout of the most current model
ben_vulpes: THERE IS ONE
ben_vulpes: ONE PORT
asciilifeform: one cloaka, even for mains power
ben_vulpes: want to plug in device and charge at the same time?
ben_vulpes: GET FUCKED
mircea_popescu: why do you people persist in buying this crap
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: isn't it a marvelous thing
ben_vulpes: the atomic dirigible
BingoBoingo: !up cryptone
ben_vulpes: enough hot air to float a vax
asciilifeform: to be fair, i didn't persist.
asciilifeform: but if i needed a portable unix box today, i would be forced to buy a crapple machine.
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ben_vulpes: i would like to not have to use portable boxes
mircea_popescu: seriously, you'd buy some toy with a single port ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently this is only in their 'budget' models
ben_vulpes: the new trackpads are impressive, though.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', in past month i learned that 98%+ of openings advertised for my profession demand proof of aryan status
asciilifeform: (~existing~ usg clearance)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what you don't have it already?
asciilifeform: some bozos do not even remember to advertise it, and then proceed to waste hours of my time only to break the news later
mircea_popescu: i don't think you're allowed in b-a if you do.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only don't have, but never had, and afaik the monkeys do not yet smoke enough dope to hand'em out to folks like us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly allowed but место у параши
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: current base 'pro' model ships with 128 gb unreplaceable persistent storage
ben_vulpes: 512 gb for another 500 usd
ben_vulpes: storage was configurable at one point, but apparently no longer.
asciilifeform: used to be you could even put standard 2.5 inch disks in there
ben_vulpes idly pulls up the apple checkout flow in a text only browser, laughs
ben_vulpes: oh wait dig it you can get a whole 1.5 tb for A WHOLE GRAND
ben_vulpes: what an inane pricing exercise
mircea_popescu: 1.5tb ram ?!
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mircea_popescu: why would you pay 1k for something that retails for like 80 ?
ben_vulpes: because one cannot put ones own storage in the machine
ben_vulpes: they are welded in at birth
asciilifeform: 1.5 ssd in standard form factors sells for about 400-500 usd.
asciilifeform: so crapple's is perhaps a 200-300% markup.
ben_vulpes: and an extremely small cost in the grand scheme of things.
mircea_popescu: 1.5 tb ssd ?!
asciilifeform: (the box ben_vulpes was thinking of doesn't have a sata jack, so you're stuck with what's soldered on)
asciilifeform: and yes, if you want a unix box with 300 dpi screen and where the MOTHERFUCKING PERIPHERALS WORK (suspend lid, etc) - you buy this.
asciilifeform: because nothing else.
asciilifeform: not for $million.
asciilifeform: not for $100 mil.
asciilifeform: *portable unix box
mircea_popescu: ~nobody ever bought this crap for this reason.
asciilifeform: i did !
asciilifeform: and a buncha folks i know in meat life
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes, and - iirc - trinque, phf, ...
asciilifeform: and who else was it.
asciilifeform: nubbins ?
asciilifeform: and, and...
asciilifeform: pretty crowded 'nobody'
mircea_popescu: didja run off with half the sentence ?
asciilifeform: nah that's all.
mircea_popescu: so the box you'd buy is putative, as you didn't buy it, and as far as the rest of the quoted is concerned ima go on a limb and guess thye had other reasons.
asciilifeform: if i didn't already have one, for the (fortunately) rare times that i need such a thing - would buy.
asciilifeform: with revulsion, but would.
mircea_popescu: does it have one hole ?
asciilifeform: nah '09 had multiple holes.
mircea_popescu: then what are you talking!
mircea_popescu: im rrrrreally call the police i tell you!
asciilifeform: also will note that the portable i actually use for work, cost no less than the maximal mac, relies on blobs, and a good number of peripherals simply do not work, blob or no blob
asciilifeform: (lenovo w540)
trinque: I run a shit-tacular lenovo x1 carbon
trinque: thing is falling apart
trinque: I've fine-tuned gentoo on both this and a macbook pro previously, as perhaps some kind of pain fetish
kakobrekla: x1 tried to be mac air
trinque: yep, failed miserably; it has a broken lcd hinge atm
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asciilifeform: the mega-insight here is that laptops suck ~because~ they are part and parcel of a kind of life that sucks
asciilifeform: so it is rather like asking why a prison latrine sucks
asciilifeform: well, because it is what and where it is.
asciilifeform: 'not a bug, but a feature!1111'
kakobrekla: (one of) my lappy currently has an uptime of 124 days
asciilifeform: what of this
kakobrekla: doesnt leave house
danielpbarron: my laptop has 82 days uptime right now
kakobrekla: youll never catch me!
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mod6: my openbsd lappy: 10:05PM up 215 days, 13:42,
mod6: think i shut it down on the flight from b-a
kakobrekla: i guess the point was lappy != field work
kakobrekla: is it surprising we dont have field clean rooms?
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i have a pile of laptops that never leave the house
asciilifeform: but they all have specific purposes and are not 'workstation' in any sense.
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trinque: kakobrekla: danielpbarron: uptime | perl -ne "/(\d+) d/;print 8,q(=)x\$1,\"D\n\""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9176 @ 0.00049656 = 4.5564 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "You will probably experience a higher attempted double spend rate, for example, if selling a digital good to someone who didn't buy a device."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what are these turnips smoking.
mircea_popescu: is "doublespend rate" even computable ?
mircea_popescu: 0.0000001% or what ?
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