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assbot: Logged on 03-11-2015 04:11:28; mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: trinque, do you know why my deed wasn't published yet in deedbot.org? Thank you.
trinque: felipelalli: btcd blew up, actually
trinque: I am not yet sure why; it was accepted though, and also the transaction was sent
trinque: so it will be on the website shortly
felipelalli: ah! ok, thank you!
trinque: no problem
trinque: felipelalli: it is about 20 blocks behind at the moment, so it shouldn't be too long, perhaps an hour
felipelalli: trinque, to avoid blew up due to spam txs put this on config:
felipelalli: minrelaytxfee=0.0003 limitfreerelay=3 sendfreetransactions=0
felipelalli: not sure if it was it, but...
trinque: felipelalli: could very well have been, though I'm going to have to have a talk with runit as to why it wasn't immediately restarted. perhaps it was running slow for a while before death
trinque: I'll look into that for sure, thanks :)
felipelalli: trinque, it worked for me! :)
felipelalli: actually, I just saw right now that my node is also DEAD!! lol
felipelalli: what is going on?
felipelalli: it is weird because I run an instance of testnet and normal node in the same machine and both are dead.
mircea_popescu: heh. alcoa huh
felipelalli: it was unrelated. In my case the HD just crashed. I was using an old external HD :)
felipelalli: It is what looks like when your HD crashes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gj6pZ04e
mircea_popescu: "While that’s a big deal for the U.S. industry and the people it employs, it doesn’t mean much for global supplies. Alcoa’s decision to eliminate 503,000 metric tons of smelting capacity accounts for about 31 percent of the U.S. total for primary aluminum, but less than one percent of the global total, according to Harbor."
mircea_popescu: best summary of us importance in the world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask: what in satan's green earth is a raiserist ?
mircea_popescu: someone who raises.
mircea_popescu: you know, awareness raiserists.
asciilifeform went on clearly wrong mental path, tried to picture something pertaining to hans reiser
mircea_popescu: but that's reiser not rAiser.
asciilifeform: ah, yes.
asciilifeform has been out of bed much too long
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 s/leafs/leaves
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 in your 'v', gpg doesn't seem to be confined to a temporary state dir !!!?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ this means that attempts to run with smaller subsets of a wot that was ~ever once~ used on the box - will fail !
asciilifeform: (imported keys will stay imported)
asciilifeform: likewise, any keys imported outside of 'v' will be applied by 'v'
mircea_popescu: that's not so good.
asciilifeform: which is not a thing that you want.
asciilifeform is lately in the habit of reading things before running'em
ben_vulpes: code literacy
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3bK6 )
BingoBoingo: ^ Godfather of ISIS dead
ben_vulpes: subject of le terror, i rewatched Swordfish last night
ben_vulpes: very amusing that the thing was released on the eve of 9/11
ben_vulpes: halle berry, yo.
mircea_popescu: she's ugly isn't she ?
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Inside Apple's perfectionism machine, adnotated - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/03_inside-apples-perfectionism-machine-adnotated.html
BingoBoingo: She goes through phases
mircea_popescu: https://www.quora.com/Who-originated-the-saying-What-fresh-hell-is-this << this posteriorist crap is boggling my mind. so there exists somewhere a schmuck, married by his mugshot, who actually goes around expertly answering questions on social media with regurgitation of other social media sources ? "according to twitter, facebook invented the internet" ?
assbot: Who originated the saying, "What fresh hell is this?" - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3XqH )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these people!
mircea_popescu: who fucks them ? who feeds them ? and most importantly : why ?
BingoBoingo: Obama feeds them
BingoBoingo: Because Obama hates civilization
trinque: deedbot- is having a terrible time getting a node which will speak to him at the moment
trinque: and many orphan blocks
mircea_popescu: teh republic's own ?
trinque: no, and it's high time I switched to the proper client; this has been on btcd for quite a while
BingoBoingo: Throw more RAM at it?
BingoBoingo: More cores?
trinque: 2gb ram, using 500mb, 1 core but not using nearly any CPU at the moment
trinque: the orphan blocks started after 381963
mircea_popescu: 188.68.240.159 88 connections atm.
trinque: mircea_popescu: ty, added and restarted. it's connected, hasn't said anything about a block yet
mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ << check out the scamcoin getting burned into the ground. so after the sucker jump, the volume is up, the mkt cap constant, the price dropping like a rock.
assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
mircea_popescu: "i have an idea", sez buterin, "let's print and sell eth! it's almost as good as tax and spend!"
trinque: sweet, there it goes with 381964
Namworld: Is there anyone interested in buying 20% of Coinroll? If he didn't ask in here yet, I know someone who wants to do just.
punkman: Namworld: how much is that valued at?
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b40
davout: guten morgen
davout: !proxies
davout: $proxies
copypaste: " In other news cazalla wished to take an extended vacation from Bitcoin and recieved a buyout for his board position. " http://qntra.net/2015/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2015-report/
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2015 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q56NE2 )
copypaste: How much was the buyout ?
copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?
copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.
copypaste: BingoBoingo ^
punkman: copypaste: was in the logs, rest of the board bought cazalla's shares
copypaste: Gotcha, thank you punkman
davout: copypaste: approx. 10 btc if memory serves
copypaste: & davout :)
gribble: Error: "davout" is not a valid command.
Namworld: punkman, sorry, no valuation. Unlisted.
Namworld: It comes with a right to ~50 BTC from undistributed bankroll. So there's already a base price of 2.5 BTC per %. and some offers. Although if you want to make an offer, you should drop a mail at support email or something. Sure our guy would appreciate.
Namworld: All data and stats are public/downloadable on website.
Namworld: I have to log off for now.
Namworld: I'll try and come back around.
punkman: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 466.29, vol: 88333.48927328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.023, vol: 46717.41364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 471.0, vol: 208567.62850058 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 475.0, vol: 16.06520961 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 493.944359, vol: 119833.32010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.0, vol: 337.16250505 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.301996, vol: 615.98618908 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50002466 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b42
assbot: Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuXDyd )
shinohai: wb wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: ;;isup mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is down
wyrdmantis: ;;isup mpex.ws
gribble: mpex.ws is down
wyrdmantis: hi shinoai
shinohai: think it is down across the board
wyrdmantis: i see
wyrdmantis: why is that?
shinohai: dunno mircea_popescu said sumthin in the lawgs about it crappin out for some unknown reason.
wyrdmantis: shinoai thanks dude, no time to read the logs in this period
shinohai: no worries, I finally stopped being lazy and fixed me ml mail to go to the correct email for btc-dev.
solrodar: someone's just raised an interesting point at https://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 :: 16.09 B (26%) on Yes, 46.75 B (74%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 84`375 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc4SHV )
solrodar: what happens if ALL the bets on one side are refunded?
solrodar: I think the only fair response would be to cancel the whole bet and refund the other side as well
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
punkman: solrodar: that does seem problematic
solrodar: I'd argue that BitBet is holding the pool in trust for the winners
solrodar: if there are no winners, then the whole thing is null and void and the money should be sent back to where it came from
punkman: solrodar: but do the losing bettors have a claim on that money?
mod6: anyway, if thats acceptable, I'll see what I can do about it tonight.
fluffypony: wow major protests happening in Romania
trinque: mircea_popescu: in my logs, deedbot's btcd eventually disconnected from 188.68.240.159 and began receiving orphan blocks again. after restarting it, it reconnected to your node and is receiving blocks normally again
trinque is very suspicious
fluffypony: "32 people died (and a lot more in critical condition) because of a fire in a club last Friday. The problem is that the the local authorities allowed that club to function without even the most basic fire-precaution measures, which essentially led to the fire and that many victims (150 injured and as i said before quite a few in critical condition). With a bit of a bribe you can do anything in Romania."
shinohai: @ fluffypony yeah I just noticed mircea_popescu home country was having a chimpout wow xD
fluffypony: cray cray
mircea_popescu: soo, re mpex : the trouble has been identified, i'm pretty sure. will be fixed and then tested etc, i expect mpex back before the weekend.
mircea_popescu: trinque sounds suspicious enough.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.
mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.
shinohai: marriage should be like an alliance between friendly nations. Outside of that it is a horrid concept, as defined in the us
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah i think the idea is to have a temp space.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony mmyeah, some cattle got burned so now they want the mayor in prison. because logically, that's what matters. when teh politruks set the whole country on fire nobody gave a shit, but god help you if some moos get run over.
mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, the mayor in question is the chimp of all time. known as the aka "piedone", because when he was young http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076544/
assbot: Inspecteur Bulldozer (1978) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1McenqH )
mircea_popescu: so he wants to be cool like that.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a dilbert reader going by "colombo" or some equally ridiculous shit.
shinohai: marriage hasn't always been historically defined between solely man and woman though, iirc
mircea_popescu: shinohai because why, nero married a horse ?
mircea_popescu: ofcourse it is, says so right in the churchly book.
shinohai wishes there was an actual "#b-a Bible" written in a religious-styled prose ...
solrodar: punkman: in the absence of any precedent or rule for this situation, I suppose nobody has a claim on the money
mircea_popescu: god i hate bucharest. just looking at that picture... brrrrr. but unrelatedly, if you lived behind one of those front windows, and there was a protest at night like that, wouldn't you fuck the woman for the camera ?
solrodar: it would be acceptable for bitbet to destroy it by sending it somewhere provably unspendable, but not to keep it for themselves
mircea_popescu: solrodar the problem with precedent and rule based systems is that you don't know what will happen until it actually happens. i would guess what would happen here would be the bet gets cancelled and so the nos get their btc back too, and perhaps the ability of bet starter to create that clause gets curtailed.
punkman: that would not be acceptable
trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes
assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 491.61, 24 hour volume: 231944.95432189, 24 hour low: 375.02, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
punkman: ;;ticker --market all
shinohai: twitter has "Recommend to follow" https://twitter.com/PopescuCo
assbot: Dan Popescu (@PopescuCo) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9eedq )
mircea_popescu: holy shit huh.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 489.04, vol: 94353.31745306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 454.503, vol: 51020.67408 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 491.61, vol: 231944.95432189 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 20.30846861 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.056266, vol: 128916.90360000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 473.541, vol: 764.60162619 | Volume-weighted last average: 492.567547581
mircea_popescu: trinque this is a gnarly thing that's been being worked on for a while.
punkman: china broke $500 eh
mircea_popescu: so wait... i made a few hundred million while i was sleeping ?
trinque: ^notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: i'm sure teh haters are ecstatic over it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai popescu is like the most common romanian name.
shinohai: I know, it appears like diaz or something round here. It only pops up in there bcuz I follow qntra, et all
shinohai: Smith
mircea_popescu: goldbug too lol. funny. "Consultant - Gold & Silver Analyst - Gold Standard, International Monetary System, Precious Metals, Currencies, Geopolitics, Macroeconomics"
mircea_popescu: consultant @ nothing in particular, doesn't really look the right age range for this nuttery.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:30:30; mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.
mircea_popescu: Ethereum (ETH) $ 0.748576 (-24.18 %) 0.00152907 BTC (-39.43 %)
mircea_popescu: you go girl.
mircea_popescu: if anyone was fucktarded enough to buy into the scam on its final phase, i would like to meet them.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315758 << 1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:34:09; mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, check it out, mp's "you don't own your own sex bits" is older than europe!
mircea_popescu: and here we thought he invented it!11
mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even though its founder was a noted schola
mircea_popescu: r offering a rigorous curriculum that educated the illustrious classicist Edith Hamilton. Today the situation has reversed: Miss Porter's School downplays its origins as a finishing school, and emphasizes the rigor of its academics." . now check out the banner : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/%22For_God._For_Country._And_for_Yale.%22_Banner.jpg
mircea_popescu: "yea is for sex, yale is for anal" etc.
mircea_popescu: "Phil Schiller, Apple's longtime senior vice president of worldwide marketing5, is waiting for me when I arrive at Building 3 at the company's Infinite Loop headquarters in Cupertino, California on an unusually warm fall day." motherfucker these idiots.
mircea_popescu: "o no we must do the bio insert IT IS HOW WRITING IS DONE!11!"
mircea_popescu: i bet they hit on chicks by schematics, too.
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking read this gunk. /me skips to footnotes, in perhaps the first occurence this century of that once-prevalent approach
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?
punkman: "Accused Gulf Cartel boss Juan Manuel Loiza Salinas reassured residents of Reynosa through a series of banners last week that he is a drug trafficker and not a terrorist."
phf: mod6: original v uses mkdtemp for keyring folder. the general idea is that you don't want to reuse the keyring folder, since it's a place where state is kept for no good reason. you can make sure on startup that you also check that the folder doesn't exist & clean it up before using it, but..
mircea_popescu: "George Bush was one of these people as well. An intimate of his machine once described his public behavior to me, the long and short of which is that the man is excellent at regurgitating that which had been said to him or that he'd heard, and to stitch together a pastiche that can pass for creative conversation, but largely unable to cook up his own output." << sounds like ivy league.
mircea_popescu: the narcs are definitely going to be running mexico going forward.
mircea_popescu: "True, and disingenous. Truly disingenous. They absolutely are "taking responsibility" for the whole stack, but in the opposite direction of that Moldbuggian notion of the modern bureaucracy dissolving both authority and responsibility across the whole organization. Apple's working quite well to gather the mantle of authority around themselves while avoiding any responsibility at all for the work that they produce."
mircea_popescu: idem. wtf, is there a negation problem ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apple, like a time-and-spacewise miniature tabletop model of usa and the west at large, is burnings its furniture.
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
asciilifeform: sorta like i predicted (which wasn't hard, but for some reason nobody gave a flying fuck) in my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
assbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 )
asciilifeform: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 483.02, vol: 93663.54299319 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.0, vol: 52118.71829 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 482.84, vol: 240578.33404426 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.6, vol: 18.30417961 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 514.105031, vol: 127559.14390000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 466.93710859, vol: 731.415109 | Volume-weighted last average: 487.479977116
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?
kakobrekla: meat today!
asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise
kakobrekla hugs asciilifeform
kakobrekla: i know you hate it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:23:52; mircea_popescu: <assbot> Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315773 << have you (or anyone else) considered writing a simple tcp proxy for this ?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 14:40:55; trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes
asciilifeform: the whole 'noble nodes' thing is on my plate but i elementarily lack the time right now to do any of it.
asciilifeform: and it sits below 'pogoization' on the list, also.
trinque: you recommend a separate proggy rather than patch to bitcoind?
asciilifeform: presently.
asciilifeform: it doesn't need to do very much.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise <<< and this ISN'T a psycological defense!
mircea_popescu: we're miserable and things must not change so we stay that way!
asciilifeform: trinque: the tricky part is that it needs to switch destinations (nodes) when the local node aborts
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 04:43:02; ben_vulpes: anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?
assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )
trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?
trinque: then maybe munches log looking for signs of rude nodes?
asciilifeform: trinque: the real problem is that -connect results in a castrato node
asciilifeform: (that accepts no connections)
trinque: right, meanwhile addnode is not a guarantee iirc
asciilifeform: and no log-munching, what, you need a hard list of friends
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315811 << looks like it's missing a "not" in the first sentence
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 16:00:49; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i suppose it won't be done until i do it..
trinque: ^ bait
trinque: doesn't sound that hard
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:06:55; kakobrekla: meat today!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah it's a perfectly logical sort of depressed. down-->'my pathetic handful of coin won't even pay a month's rent'; up-->'now there's many fewer that i could ever hope to have'
pete_dushenski: but... warrants
pete_dushenski: same as yesterday, neh ?
pete_dushenski: I recently discovered that MACOS 10.10.2 categorically refuses to sleep if a video is playing in Chrome.
pete_dushenski: ^saw similarly strange behaviour in 10.10 mba when running 'sophos'
pete_dushenski: craptop was closed, shoulda been asleep, but would magically awake, run, and damn near cook itself to death in an effort to be 'pest free'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you probably knew this, but i live in 'break my back to pay the bills and with the scraps of time and energy that remain, work on s.nsa' mode.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: note the ordering in the formulation.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315409 << /me dusts off 1870 printing of 'the academic questions'
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 02:17:42; mircea_popescu: or pr without cicero
asciilifeform: speaking of this, secmem.c is getting cut and replaced with a stub. because this crud does not belong in mpi, needs to be a quite separate library.
asciilifeform: and it is responsible for most of the #ifdef noise, also
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the carrot dangleth before you, and when you finally taste it, may that fateful day come, you'll be in the unfortunate position of having to find still another carrot to chase.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still have my original carrot
asciilifeform: ...building a sane computer.
asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.
asciilifeform: ars longa.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315803 << i used to work very near the (now - demolished, and replaced with obscenely imitative - of it - sprawl of condos) ruins of a 19th c. 'finishing school.'
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even though its founder w
asciilifeform: was an interesting sight.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315880 < comes down to the definition of 'living'
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:24:30; asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.
kakobrekla: before bitcoin, i was living in barrel because no matter what i wanst going to be a part of the slave system. you wouldnt call that living.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what kind of barrel ?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?
kakobrekla: it was slightly larger than Diogeneses
asciilifeform: i mean, we can infer that kakobrekla's barrel contained a computer and also whatever was required to keep his brain alive and in reasonably well-oiled condition
asciilifeform: this - is living.
pete_dushenski: i might've guessed a stint at a big bank as barrel
kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 12:56:26; kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.
kakobrekla: and you think this came without consequences ?
mike_c: what's MK?
asciilifeform: morth korea ?
kakobrekla: macedonia
asciilifeform: barrel is not so terrible. it is being solely a barrel's radius from the mass of stinking, writhing human refuse that typically surrounds the barrel, that is.
asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'
kakobrekla: just keep the top closed.
asciilifeform: (a kind of truck box)
asciilifeform: perfectly fine accommodations, physically - about on par with my old flat. BUT you have to live near the other dalits.
asciilifeform: ('trailers' are not permitted in most of usa except in specially-designated leprosoria)
kakobrekla: ;;google ohrid
gribble: Ohrid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid>; Ohrid Vacation, Travel, Tourism, Visit Ohrid - Official Web Site of the ...: <http://www.ohrid.com.mk/>; Natural and Cultural Heritage of the Ohrid region - UNESCO World ...: <http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/99>
kakobrekla: is not so bad.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: looks spiffy from the photos
kakobrekla: this is a place where cops still take bribes. all of them.
asciilifeform: like most of the planet.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
kakobrekla: nah, EU cant bribe a cop. not even in croatia.
asciilifeform: eu is a usg colony
kakobrekla: it changes in bosnia.
asciilifeform: (this is a not altogether bad heuristic for what is a usg colony - can you bribe a traffic cop ?)
asciilifeform: if not --> colony.
assbot: Hackers gonna hack, but why? Maybe Freud has the answer | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hrpg5U )
asciilifeform: 'A humanistic, cognitive psychology approach to hacking would be to consider an emotion such as revenge… But my favourite explanation for the academic literature is a Freudian psychoanalytic approach to hacking, which actually conceptualises hacking in Freudian terms as a cyber-sexual urge to penetrate. And there are castration complex overtones in terms of being cut off from the network as well…'
asciilifeform: can't wait for the психушка !!
asciilifeform: '“What we have to question ourselves is, as a society, do we really want to criminalise 13, 14 and 15 year-olds? Or do we want to understand their behaviour, engage with their incredible skillsets, mentor them and try to point them in the right direction?” she said.' << aha, a course of neuroleptics followed by lifetime indenture at junior www dev work in usg sharashka, is the implication.
asciilifeform: who wouldn't want!11111
asciilifeform: from same fishwrap, equally appetizing,
assbot: Theresa May unveils UK surveillance measures in wake of Snowden claims | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmLrQX )
asciilifeform: 'New surveillance powers will be given to the police and security services, allowing them to access records tracking every UK citizen’s use of the internet without any judicial check, under the provisions of the draft investigatory powers bill unveiled by Theresa May.'
asciilifeform: arguably a snore, because in practice usg already had doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz
kakobrekla: actually iirc there is a huge underground usg army base in mk
kakobrekla: top sekrit stuff
pete_dushenski: one wonders why usg/uk bother with such surveillance legislation at all if they actually have de facto doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha, why do you suppose they bothered to smash serbia and roll up all of old yugo into usg reich ?
asciilifeform: to make tourist resorts ?
pete_dushenski: superficial politicians want to pretend to matter ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'so that we would ask'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's fist-in-the-face psyops
kakobrekla: still better than eu.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there also a basic trick involved. when you repaint the opposition as 'criminal', it can then be dealt with using police methods, which are cheaper than black bag work
pete_dushenski: seems more like 'we can achieve 90% compliance with 10% effort just by scaring derps into submission'
asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'
pete_dushenski: i've even seen this at usg 'green building' trade shows.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably say that none of this matters worth a damn
asciilifeform: but i'm not convinced. consider the case of chemistry
pete_dushenski: 'don't bring electric power tools because not green!' 'uhhh fuck you'
asciilifeform: which more or less died out as a scientific field in the 'civilized' world.
asciilifeform: (and was never really a thing in the 'uncivilized' - what does a pashtun need it for?)
pete_dushenski: i'd argue that this type of posturing ~does~ matter in the sense that it's a further wedge between ( ) boys and ( ) men
pete_dushenski: if anything, it'll push a few maybe neithers off the fence towards manhood
pete_dushenski: not a bad thing imo
asciilifeform: what, in this case, is 'manhood' ?
asciilifeform: cleaning kalash in kandahar with own piss every morning between goat fucks ?
pete_dushenski: not being afraid of pieces of paper = manhood
pete_dushenski: at least those issued by 'elected politicians'
pete_dushenski: contracts
pete_dushenski: ^cat derp
asciilifeform: meanwhile...
assbot: bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmNNiM )
pete_dushenski: *contracts between private individuals being another sort of 'piece of paper' altogether, one obviously needing to be very, very afraid of not honouring
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
asciilifeform: 'In addition to using cold storage, hardware wallets, and P2SH multisig outputs to control funds, now funds can be frozen in UTXOs directly on the blockchain.'
asciilifeform: 'We reuse the double-threshold IsSuperMajority() switchover mechanism used in BIP 66 with the same thresholds, but for nVersion = 4. The new rules are in effect for every block (at height H) with nVersion = 4 and at least 750 out of 1000 blocks preceding it (with heights H-1000..H-1) also have nVersion >= 4. Furthermore, when 950 out of the 1000 blocks preceding a block do have nVersion >= 4, nVersion < 4 blocks become invalid
asciilifeform: , and all further blocks enforce the new rules.'
kakobrekla: worx even with rand() return 4;
asciilifeform: seems like these folks want a replay of the july idiocy ?
assbot: Bitcoin’s 4th of July : INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA DAY | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOgS1 )
asciilifeform: soooo...
asciilifeform: turns out that one of the users of my personal therealbitcoin node is 'card-ok.com'
asciilifeform: which per the ru sp4mz0rsphere, https://crdclub.ws/showthread.php?p=97248 -- is a 'carding' service
asciilifeform: used to 'test' stolen cc #s.
lobbes: l0l, the many eyes that read the logs
asciilifeform: i don't like manually kicking folks off my node, but this screams of usg entrapment
asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.
assbot: Aladdin-One Jump Ahead HD (1080p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmPpsU )
asciilifeform: if osama bin laden goldstein wants to use my box, plz have the decency to call himself something else.
lobbes: 'definitelynotisis.com'
asciilifeform sadly contemplates unplugging the thing entirely
lobbes: !up thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: don't let them scare you !
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you gonna let the USG force you to shut down your node?
asciilifeform: nah i'll wait till they shoot me and cart it off themselves.
thestringpuller: that's the spirit!
Namworld: In case anyone missed it yesterday, someone is looking to sell 20% of Coinroll
asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.
pete_dushenski: Namworld: is 'someone' in the wot ?
asciilifeform: perhaps if tlp were here, he might cry narcissism.
pete_dushenski: we'll point him to the log entry when he arrives
asciilifeform: i suppose this is a good time to point out that i fucking hate common criminals who lack the brains or elementary decency to make themselves any kind of hard target
asciilifeform: they are the fodder on which usg lives.
asciilifeform: and cultivates for its sustenance.
asciilifeform: there are precious few creatures upon satan's green earth more loathesome than the common spammer.
mike_c: jurov: you still own part of coinroll?
asciilifeform: the very examples of the 'disposable males overdue for the meatgrinder' as portrayed in mircea_popescu's articles.
Namworld: jurov does, as well as wao, as well as me. But none of us is selling.
Namworld: The sale will have to go through jurov & wao anyway
pete_dushenski: !gettrust wao
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=wao | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/
jurov: right
mike_c: You each have 20%? Are these "voting" shares or silent-partner type?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, thestringpuller: the reason i was considering ~not~ keeping a node on my desk is the realization that, if this kind of thing carries on, it cannot really be considered a respectable node.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315891 < missed this; i had a few unrelated gigs which allowed me to be free but not rich
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:29:23; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla was then rich
asciilifeform: per my standards.
kakobrekla: barrel rich.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no worries, i thought mebbe it was sooper sekrit. but really, no finance background ?
pete_dushenski: u.s. 'hood rich' = e.u. 'barrel rich'
kakobrekla: no, no finance background.
Namworld: No, we don't all have 20%. And these are non-voting shares
Namworld: Although jurov and wao will consider any input/advice you give, they take the decisions.
ben_vulpes: Namworld: it's painful to watch people dragging these details out of you. is there a signed operating agreement in place people can look at somewhere?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski has it with the elusive negation
jurov: ben_vulpes there is not anything gpg signed. there was agreement with scrat, but he went mia
ben_vulpes: oh jeez.
jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest
ben_vulpes: well i'm not but damn this is going to be an expensive price discovery exercise without contracts.
pete_dushenski: http://altwork.com/ << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too
assbot: Altwork Station | The new way to work ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSARf )
ben_vulpes: everyone's in the wot (right?) so it should work itself out eventually, but this is an interesting example of how gpgconomy works in contrast to the fiat contracting system.
asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
ben_vulpes: yes, you're all in the wot, so no need for contracts, they're unenforceable anyways. that said, without formalized business relationships, pricing the paper's...complicated.
pete_dushenski: jurov: my guess is that your approach is backwards. should have gpg signed statement FIRST, then serious interest follows
ben_vulpes: like how many non voting shares? how many voting shares? who can issue more shares, and under what conditions?
jurov: no shares
jurov: but you're right
ben_vulpes: and that's just 3 questions that should be wrapped up neatly in the operating agreement.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: keep 'em.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform but does usg really need to honeytrap ? as far as i get it, there is no need for such customs.
pete_dushenski: "Magnets keep all your computer equipment in place, and it moves with you as you change positions. So even while you recline, your monitor and keyboard are proportionally placed for you to continue working." << re: altwork thingie. fuck magnets. give me screws and anchors !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: shrem.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how does shrem relate?
mike_c: he went to jail?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence
kakobrekla: i thought it was 1) pick up the fella 2) fuck him up
ben_vulpes: what precisely is your concern, though? relaying of 3vil t3rrist txns?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: solution : go kazcynski on their ass
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'card-ok' fella insisted on being obvious as daylight
ben_vulpes: shrem was out and out breaking the law
asciilifeform: and i doubt that he ended up on my box by pure accident.
kakobrekla: but anyway, if you dont feel like running a node from home, you should not do it.
asciilifeform: (it is not an ultra-high-bandwidth node)
asciilifeform: problem is that i fucking need a node.
asciilifeform: and i don't own an impregnable castle where i can leave a machine going.
assbot: Hits and misses of Ted “The Unabomber” Kaczynski. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktc5vZ )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you get from mocking "omg my packetz" to "omg my packetz"?
pete_dushenski off to the races. ciao !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly it is because i have a personal hatred of ph0rum sp4mz0r l337 d00dz
asciilifeform: they bring usg with them wherever they go. the way rats bring plague.
ben_vulpes: so boot 'em
ben_vulpes: that's a sane argument
Namworld: There's no share, just a stake in %. No share dilution as of now. Dilution could appear in the form of allowing investments on the site like other dice site where you can stake the bankroll. Although this would in no way be absolute/permanent.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prolly gonna turn this thing into a gossipd-style whitelisted node soon.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aside from stoolies, stooges, and other vermin, i elementarily lack the bandwidth to service the demand (and there is now again - demand)
asciilifeform: but i will also note, when mircea_popescu tells us 'get the everliving fuck out of usa' he has perfectly good reasons for this.
Namworld: Not sure how the transfer would be done, but I'm sure jurov and wao will sign both payment address and amount for the offer and agreement of share ownership upon payment.
Namworld: As for Coinroll's stats and data, it's always been available publicly for download.
ben_vulpes: Namworld: I'm sure you see the problem with statements-in-the-log-as-operating-agreement
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: neat! ganbatte.
Namworld: Yes, that's why am saying it can all be signed properly prior to purchase occuring.
Namworld: I just wanted to let it known as I don't think that other guy advertised it around much.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform if not sekrit, which hw raid cards do you use/like?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: pretty old '3ware'
kakobrekla currently fuming over hp p410
asciilifeform: the old-fashioned kind, with 64-bit pci (not pcie)
asciilifeform: pretty cheap secondhand, too.
asciilifeform: configured with an open source command line thing
asciilifeform: can also flash in own fw if you have a favourite.
asciilifeform fucking hates 'software raid' in any and all forms
asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
asciilifeform: this is, naturally, at the cost of introducing another closed turd boot rom.
asciilifeform: BUT the latter is an x86 blob and is trivially disassembled
asciilifeform: unlike hdd fw.
asciilifeform: i made the tradeoff with the full understanding that it was a tradeoff.
assbot: Migrant crisis pushing Germany towards ‘anarchy and civil war’ — RT Op-Edge ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktimYu )
assbot: Sniper in San Diego pins down police near airport, Zoo — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktiw26 )
jurov: please find anything other than rt. anything.
jurov: even xinhua is miles better than rt
asciilifeform: jurov: largely consists of twatter screencaps
asciilifeform: of course it is possible that putin personally fakes these, aha.
asciilifeform: jurov: this kind of thing is arranged every time usg needs to ban another type of gun.
asciilifeform: 'After weeks of waiting to get registered with Berlin authorities, a group of refugees and migrants have sued Berlin’s main refugee center for failing to grant their asylum benefits on time, which they were promised when Germany took them in.' << lulz
trinque: asciilifeform: along the lines of the problems with your node, deedbot- now routinely gets orphans and nothing else blasted at it from various IPs, and will at times not be able to reach the node mircea_popescu gave, though I am not presently certain why
trinque: currently it is trying to catch up from the last orphan ass blasting by feeding from mp's node
trinque: and I have given that IP via -connect which unfortunately will keep it from being of use to anyone else
trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
trinque: it would not be surprising to me at all that Amazon obediently fucks with the thing from within
trinque: also, I span up bitcoind-0.5.4-beta last night and it began gagging on orphan blocks around 150k
trinque: this was from a home connection.
trinque: that one I'll restart later and see how it fares.
trinque: if the walls have eyes, the tubes have apparently grown fingers
asciilifeform: trinque: you are probably being blackholes.
asciilifeform: *blackholed
punkman: *cornholed
asciilifeform: trinque: as for hosts, unfortunately i cannot recommend anything at all.
asciilifeform: other than - possibly - mircea_popescu's coming-soon thing
asciilifeform: supposing that it comes, and works
asciilifeform: but it is likely to be expensive.
trinque: it is munching on the IP from mp successfully for now
ben_vulpes: i suspect that the operational protocol must be "one node for the network, one node for infrastructure"
ben_vulpes: eg if you want to run a node for infrastructure, you should -connect it to a synced node -addnode'd to the network at large.
trinque: really needs the wotnet to function properly, and this still doesn't fix black holing, just mitm
trinque: needs wotnet-radio
ben_vulpes: i'm still kindastonished the thing never had encrypted connections.
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: your ip is leaking
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you do encrypted connections without gossipd ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm glad the guy didn't just bolt ssl to the thing
trinque: could've
asciilifeform: trinque: hearn did !
trinque: big surprise
punkman: can ssh tunnel to trusted nodes
asciilifeform: people do this, yes.
funkenstein_: thx. happy V day all
funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
asciilifeform: if anybody's gonna 'obediently fucks with the thing from within' it'll be a bitcoin-themed isp from somewhere far outside the wot.
assbot: From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )
asciilifeform: 'Linus is never alone at any conference. This is not because he lets fame go to his head and likes having a posse around. They have made multiple runs at him.'
mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
asciilifeform: from the commentz: 'Why not honeytrap the honeytrappers with hidden audio/video recording devices? They might be illegal to use without consent in your jurisdiction, but then you need not reveal the recordings until you need to, and I don’t think “Arrest him for illegally recording evidence that proves my rape allegation was fake!” would fly.'
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:50; copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315703 << Gotta watch the logs, but big transactions happen in deedbot
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:56; copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.
asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
asciilifeform misread as 'don't have dong'
asciilifeform: which - perhaps - also would work
BingoBoingo: My take on shrem though was the magazine profile where the reporter mentioned his smoking lamp out in the open made him irredeemably a "drug criminal" in the eyes of USG
asciilifeform: it is why he 'had to have problems', rather than why he had problems
asciilifeform: if this makes any sense
asciilifeform: his public dope was an insult to the crown
asciilifeform: an insult uttered in front of the cattle
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punkman: and what of the 100 million people smoking/selling dope openly on twitter,facebook,youtube,topix,etc
punkman: not insult to crown?
asciilifeform: punkman: roland freisler only has so many blocks on his calendar.
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.56, Best ask: 416.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 416.0, 24 hour volume: 234623.51943093, 24 hour low: 396.89, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
shinohai: dat fall
punkman: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.13, vol: 98522.50357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.555, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.100624, vol: 125647.01910000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 407.5875, vol: 769.35246699 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.784334787
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 98532.00357252 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.0, vol: 49462.91604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.78, vol: 234623.51943093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.439672, vol: 125652.90920000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.7185, vol: 769.40217199 | Volume-weighted last average: 433.890911628
BingoBoingo: It seems this current volatility is a delayed response to drama season. I predict moar wild swings as all this pent up drama acts on Bitcoin price after having been suppressed so long
jurov: lol, bitcoin is ccoming out of the closet?
BingoBoingo: Prolly
assbot: Blocksize BIP 103 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwRYhJ )
BingoBoingo: WTF now rejecting BIPs is its own BIP
deedbot-: [Qntra] Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement - http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/
asciilifeform: !up imposter
imposter: hello
imposter: is this the trollbox?
BingoBoingo: It is a Trollbox
asciilifeform: nah this is the lolbox
assbot: Please don't "fat shame" in catbellies : catbellies ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwUZ1B )
BingoBoingo: "While we can all agree that pet obesity is a problem, and obviously not healthy for our feline friends, please refrain from commenting here about it. Users have been banned, and I hate having to do it. So please don't make me."
BingoBoingo: !up r0kit
shinohai: srsly
imposter: how can i bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Sharpie in pooper?
imposter: how can to blockchain
imposter: waht do private keyy
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>; Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
r0kit: hi all
imposter: sup f3kit
r0kit: free fallin is up
jurov: or write code on ur manboobs
shinohai: Classic BingoBoingo .... I thought I remembered you getting someone to do sharpie-in-bunghole on CC one night.
imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I didn't start it, hanbot did on bitcointalk
shinohai: Is there anything hanbot can't do?
asciilifeform: !down imposter
asciilifeform: !down r0kit
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.98, Best ask: 399.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 398.77, 24 hour volume: 261789.41865278, 24 hour low: 366.66, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: o hey back to 400 ?
mircea_popescu: what a day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say wut ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread
mircea_popescu: mk will be a moment.
asciilifeform: short ver: prolly my overactive imagination
asciilifeform spent more or less his entire free time in the past 2 wks reverse-engineering and auditing gpg, incl. compiled binaries. this has a certain effect on the soul.
shinohai: relax and have some tea or something. sheesh.
asciilifeform: shinohai: how could any of it be done without tea
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315850 << kinda how the shittrain is ordered currently, but seems far from optimal.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:14:50; trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?
asciilifeform: ^ can't accept incoming sockets if you -connect
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) no depressed is ever logical ; b) no depressed ever admits to this.
asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:30:46; kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:35:49; asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'
asciilifeform: and marie antoinette lived in a peasant hutch, aha.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315946 << the notion that those matter is obscene.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:00:34; asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'
shinohai: I have tinfoil over mah ethernet cables, I'm safe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they don't matter outside of the leprosorium, no
mircea_popescu: or inside.
asciilifeform: but i happen to be inside.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what derpy popcollar aspie[rational] mba does or doesn't do.
mircea_popescu: hey, i like that. aspie[rational]. it describes so very much, from the bayesian pseudoscientards to web analytics derps.
asciilifeform: elsewhere i noted the example of hobby chemistry - where also it seemed that 'how could it possibly matter what derpy kids dare or don't dare to do, and whether they can get ingredients' but it turned out to.
asciilifeform: as in, the whole field pretty much died - at least on this side of the atlantic
assbot: Matrix.org | A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/1WARu56 )
mircea_popescu: next i'm gonna read about how the us mattered scientifically at some point in its history ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ick
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: go on...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very briefly, 1870-1970 or so.
shinohai: protonmail still under ddos hue
mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic << Serenity to accept the things that cannot change, courage to change the things that can, wisdom to know the difference (TM)(R)
mircea_popescu: the solutions proposed aren't very good, but this does not make the problem go away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i fail to see it as anything other than john smithing.
mircea_popescu: to me he's the archetypical ustardian scientist.
mircea_popescu: "translating" "ancient egyptian" with rocks in a hat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit. the folks who mattered (nick t., o. lilienfeld - semiconductor, the lot) weren't u.s. bred
asciilifeform: but they did their thing there, because cheap moneyz.
mircea_popescu: to that sort of thing, there isn't a there.
mircea_popescu: there only is a who.
asciilifeform to the extent he is good for anything, isn't really a product of usa either
mircea_popescu: which is why the republic doesn't (and currently shouldn't) be a place.
mircea_popescu: it should be a who.
asciilifeform: still gotta park the whos somewhere.
mircea_popescu: gotta park the hos anywhere.
mircea_popescu: that's a chief point on the ho training schedule.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07M8JR5.txt )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316243 << at one point (see old logz) i came very close to solving this. basic idea is to set up a dynamic equilibrium situation where anyone who deviates from correct wallclock time becomes prey in proportion to this deviation.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:33:14; mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.
mircea_popescu: anyway, why are we even discussing the nlocktime thing ? lot of version 4 blocks or what ?
asciilifeform: but unfortunately i have not the time and energy to flesh this out into a working mechanism
mircea_popescu: the best thing you can do for it is to get the pogo ready to go.
asciilifeform ^ ought to have an abbreviation for the above.
mircea_popescu: we aren't relaying nonconformant blocks.
asciilifeform sure as fuck won't be
mircea_popescu: this is not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315984 << this is inept policy. the correct move is not to care.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:20:23; asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.
mircea_popescu: if you care, then the argument is why do you care about this but not thatr, and sooner or later you won't notice one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realized this when it was too late.
asciilifeform: and i had already mentioned it.
mircea_popescu: ask first, act after.
mircea_popescu: my god these strawberries are great.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315996 << lmao you don't understand how the world works.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:27:40; asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.
mircea_popescu: treasonous nsa subdirectorate head got done for "killing people" the [meanwhile deceased] chief of police killed.
mircea_popescu: you're a weirdo, so my money's on you going for "sex crimes".
asciilifeform will have to study hard for this one
BingoBoingo: Let us not forget unsolvable police killing becomes suicide of disgrace http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/
assbot: Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMjHUI )
mircea_popescu: lmao accused of suicide
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: that place is so lulzy...
BingoBoingo: accused of suicide
BingoBoingo: Tis a felony here
BingoBoingo: Not attempting, but succeeding
asciilifeform: l0l do they help finish ya off
mircea_popescu: like it was in spain.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nope, just shuttle you to the trailer living caste
shinohai is a proponent of legal euthanasia.
asciilifeform: shinohai: all of us has legal euthanasia. just point a pen knife at a cop.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?
shinohai: I prefer wine laced with hemlock but whatevs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was in reference to the carder episode
mircea_popescu: the "thread" isn't a thread nor does it make it any clearer. what magic talismans are you asking of ?
mircea_popescu: i still don';t get it.
asciilifeform: none, realized the correct answer at the end.
shinohai: Anyoone ever notice te striking resemblnce between Gavin & Porky Pig ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:47:41; jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest
BingoBoingo: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature16057.html << Note they decline to identify the antiboitic in the conjugate without paying for the paper, leaving open the possibility one of the many agents more effective than vancomycin was used.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << a) get out of the us. now. shut the rationalizations, i really don't want to hear them, there's no excuse ; b) make a pile of dead droppable content ; c) surround yourself with angry people with guns, bonus points if female.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
mircea_popescu: in that order.
BingoBoingo: WOrthless abstract
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you forgot: the broomstick.
asciilifeform: which i suppose is d)
mircea_popescu: as v.i.lenin said, people who get involved in revolutions best learn to like prison food.
assbot: Cine se casatoreste... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkmWp )
asciilifeform: in all fairness, the prison lenin sat in was a joke compared to present-day
asciilifeform: you could just up and walk out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the general, this is the closed form life equation of people doing something worthwhile : they have a terrible time as kids because their parents are idiots ; they get fucking stampeded as adults, because people are lazy ; they get all the accolades, moneys and bitches when they're old, because it doesn't do anything for them anymore (thus it's finally safe) ; once they're dead they get to be the face sellin
mircea_popescu: g whatever stupid shit, because they can no longer protest.
mircea_popescu: not likely to change for you.
asciilifeform has a very special loathing for 'tesla' car, solely on account of the name abuse
mircea_popescu: fine example.
asciilifeform: there is, i regret to say, also an 'intel edison' (small pc thing)
mircea_popescu: they had a bullshit college in ro, which yielded http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/
assbot: N-am putea sa avem si noi on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkDbM )
asciilifeform: and there was even an 'nvidia tesla' gpu card.
asciilifeform: let's not forget galois corporation
mircea_popescu: (rthere should be an office to approve usage of names for purposes, consisting of a clerk with a REJECTED stamp)
asciilifeform: i could carry on, but why.
asciilifeform: most don't get to stage 3 though.
asciilifeform: just skip straight to dead.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316047 <<< this is such a deep misrepresentation of the shrem thing as to boggle the mind.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:54:25; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence
asciilifeform will admit that he did not closely follow the case
mircea_popescu: do you actually know what happened there and deliberately misrepresent or do you just use in your thought process things you understand at fishwrap level ?
mircea_popescu: well looky here! why are you using things you don't know!
asciilifeform: because i have 36 hands and they're all full ?
mircea_popescu: do you program like this too ? "fuck knows what this function does but the name seems to have the right number of vowels" ?
mircea_popescu: !up Cristina
mircea_popescu: this is not an excuse.
mircea_popescu: if you can't do something right don't do it.
asciilifeform: sometimes it tries to do me, however.
mircea_popescu: derp conspired with some other derp to break the very promises he made in writing to the usg!
mircea_popescu: how many degrees of separation is this ? didja sign a promise to the usg to police the blockchain ?
asciilifeform: iirc it went something like 'shrem sold a candybar to dpr while knowing what dpr did'
asciilifeform goes and reads.
mircea_popescu: shrem registered as a money transmitter, and named himself as the agent in charge of making sure ustardation is implemented.
mircea_popescu: then shrem met some derp at a bar and they came up with a plan which consisted of shrem not noticing the derp is doing the opposite
mircea_popescu: then the derp told on him.
asciilifeform: i think i realized what i did here
asciilifeform: confused the florida fool for shrem
asciilifeform: what was that one's name...
mircea_popescu: who, the death&taxes dude ?
BingoBoingo: Gerland I thought wasn't florida, but Shrem had a florida dude
assbot: Judge Rejects Florida Man's Bid to Dismiss Case | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMllFU )
mircea_popescu: typical "do not live in the us" fodder.
asciilifeform: no shortage of this, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: could get "caught" in a "sting" for selling a used fridge for 525 dollars
asciilifeform: i fully expect to.
mircea_popescu: supermarkets here want to see id for cash payments over ~100 dollars. everyone else pays you a discount because well, they don't actually report/pay the tax.
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: incomprehensibly, a few people still use the supermarkets.
asciilifeform: where?!
asciilifeform: in ar ?
mircea_popescu: everywhere ? yeah.
asciilifeform: turns out usa is 'land of ze phreeedom'
asciilifeform: no id for cash.
asciilifeform: spend a whole sack.
asciilifeform: (just don't be found with it at traffic stop)
mircea_popescu: i love it, really. it's basically a tax on supermarkets.
mircea_popescu: (but ftr, china is land of the freedom. they actually and specifically do not do any of the aml bs.)
asciilifeform: let's try a phun experiment:
asciilifeform: ;;google m_debug gpg never worked
gribble: Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Configuration Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Configuration-Options.html>; gpg manpage - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/de/manual/r1023.html>; Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Esoteric Options - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/GPG-Esoteric-Options.html>
mircea_popescu: here's a tidbit : all "named" banks actually operate under license, separately. because the chinese will strangle you if you actually send info over.
asciilifeform: hm. from my ip it ends in on log.b-a
mircea_popescu: and so the westerners are too petrified by the double whammy, and can't operate themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see what gribble sees.
asciilifeform: unsurprise.
asciilifeform collected five versions of gpg, not in one is the thing actually implemented
asciilifeform: ergo the last time anyone could have easily tested the allocator is - at the very latest - 1997
asciilifeform: supposing it were ever tested
asciilifeform: and (and i could go on and on) the thing is implemented in a profoundly braindamaged way
asciilifeform: as a kind of reimplementation of malloc that... uses malloc internally for the segments !
asciilifeform: how hard would it have been to allot a static buffer at warmup ?!!!!!
asciilifeform: how easy it would have been to bitwalk it (like the braindead 'secmem' thing in gpg insists on doing PER SEGMENT !!?!!!)
mircea_popescu: you're not trying to argue that gpg is to be replaced are you ?
asciilifeform: i'm trying to salvage what is salvageable.
asciilifeform: and the answer turns out to be 'precious little'
mircea_popescu: aite. nothing wrong with putting the many warts in the log, either
mircea_popescu: just, you sound so indignantly surprised.
asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
asciilifeform: someone worked astonishingly hard to make this thing a nearly-incomprehensible morass.
asciilifeform: incidentally - there is a very convenient 1-byte flag, that, if 'poked', will instantly cause gpg to use ordinary (paged) memory.
asciilifeform: this is AT RUNTIME
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'
mircea_popescu: people tend to use the same exact hdd in raid
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and how is one to conspire with the others ?
asciilifeform: if each holds a reed-solomon stripe
asciilifeform: let's say there are 4 of'em.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have said "not necessarily"
asciilifeform: which is why i said 'when used correctly'
mircea_popescu: aha. yea.
asciilifeform: but yes, if the disks 'know' (somehow) that you have a raid-5 of n disks, using a particular controller, they could, e.g., 'agree' to return a patched boot sector.
asciilifeform: but they must know without fail. otherwise the offending disk gets thrown out.
mircea_popescu: not like this doesn't happen
mircea_popescu: think about it.,.. well, i dunno how much experience you have with it, but
mircea_popescu: "fail new disk" error rate seems to be 5 to 10x higher in raid setups than in solo setups.
mircea_popescu: .... why ?
asciilifeform: because a solo will happily carry on with a rotten disk ?
asciilifeform: how's he to know
asciilifeform: a solo disk doesn't get thrown out, typically, until it begins to smoke
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: raid also tends to be used by folks who run boxes 24/7, and hot
asciilifeform: which brings out the duds.
asciilifeform: another thing is that the drives usually share power rail and one can cascade-kill the rest
shinohai: see bitcointalk going down every 2 weeks for an example of shitty raid configs.
asciilifeform: (it is an inductive load, thinkaboutit)
mircea_popescu: says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.
mircea_popescu: ahahah.\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inductive ? not for ssds, no ?
asciilifeform: mechanicals.
asciilifeform: ssds are, as a general rule, made of old toilet paper, however.
asciilifeform: (or may as well be)
BingoBoingo: for the cockroachologists: "The Patriots tight end claimed in a recent published memoir -- which he totally wrote all by himself -- that he has yet to touch one dime of his signing bonus or NFL contract money and that everything he has been spending has come from endorsements." http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156348992/rob-gronkowski-money-advice-gronkonomics
assbot: Rob Gronkowski offers financial tips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMn4v0 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316103 << code to properly handle the republic's own nodes would be a good move forward.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:17; trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-
mircea_popescu: i think you probably recall the design discussions for this ?
asciilifeform: the most basic thing would be to permit a static nodelist.
asciilifeform: (snarfed up at warmup)
asciilifeform: with the selector respecting ordering.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 382088 | Current Difficulty: 6.225398244976082E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 383039 | Next Difficulty In: 951 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: i'm up to date, 105 connections.
mircea_popescu: a ton of orphan blasting, looking through the logs, but they don't actually do anything to me.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:41; trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host
mircea_popescu: finding a solution to the hosting problem, a ~correct~ solution is actually higher priority than anything else atm.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316307 it was drafted and submitted to mpex and havelock, that did not work out, so we just coasted on.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:46:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.
mircea_popescu: but pretty much the only thing western kids wanna do is derp with webdev ; and the eastern kids wanna polish the kalash.
asciilifeform: btw bucephalus up for 44 days contiguous
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to do anything useful.
asciilifeform: 46 conns
asciilifeform wants useful but there is only one of him
mircea_popescu: eh dun take it personally, i'm talking of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: "if you don't read it - it's for you"
asciilifeform mildly surprised that bucephalus has not exhausted memory quite yet
asciilifeform: but it is very close.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:05:09; funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps
asciilifeform: b. has 4G of addressable ram. it is approx. the size of a hardcover book, and lives in a locked cage.
mircea_popescu: derpy resellers are right out. machines in natoland are right out. derps unable/unwilling to wot are right out. etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cage where ?
asciilifeform: in a run-down part of town. office, not datacentre.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:14:52; mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM
asciilifeform: whole thing services by ancient 10mb link
asciilifeform: *serviced
mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 << certainly. this is how stupid women go for attention, ever since 6th grade.
assbot: From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )
mircea_popescu: a society that doesn't bitchslap them opens itself to this sort of gunkification.
mircea_popescu: a very simple solution is, "never fuck newbies without at least one slavegirl participating"
mircea_popescu: but i can foresee alf going "broomstick" at me.
mircea_popescu: yet it's not my fault the models you all learned as children are constructed to serve your society, not your own needs and interests.
mircea_popescu: learn better models or drone on, whatevs.
asciilifeform: better model often asks one to die
BingoBoingo: Nah, makes perfect sense you gotta bring your own orgy to the one night stand
asciilifeform: because - elementarily - not room for many mircea_popescu on one planet.
mircea_popescu: better model; always asks current ego to die because current ego is a piece of shit.
asciilifeform: !s chicken also wants
assbot: 3 results for 'chicken also wants' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chicken+also+wants
asciilifeform: ^ canonical.
mircea_popescu: btw does that carry any petuk subtext ?
asciilifeform: quite possibly.
asciilifeform: 'Цыпленок тоже хочет жить.'
assbot: Неизв. авторы - Цыпленок жареный (с нотами и видео) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMo4PI )
asciilifeform: specifically 'образ "цыпленка пареного" как символ обывателя, который "просто хочет жить"' >> the image of a steamed chicken as a symbol of a jwz who 'only wants to live'
mircea_popescu is sadly too busy to pursue this folklore angle.
asciilifeform leaves it in the logz for the idlerz
assbot: Аркадий Северный Цыпленок жареный - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMog1e )
asciilifeform: ^ prison version
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316143 << this stupidity is perhaps the finest exercise in "how to fuck up women under the guise of protecting their rights".
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 21:19:42; asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'
mircea_popescu: who suffers ? the middling comnpetent female.
asciilifeform: hey the chicken just wants to live
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY the sort the female-politics niggers HATE to see
asciilifeform: or what, you think a prof can afford to defend himself ?
mircea_popescu: if all females were she-rakims their life would be so smooth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mind in the slightest - more flesh for me.
mircea_popescu: to pick among.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu considered most of said flesh far too contaminated for any practical use
mircea_popescu: depends how determined & obedient.
mircea_popescu: it is, contrary (to whose surprise ?) to what the derps try to tell them, pretty much the only important characteristic.
mircea_popescu: i can teach constitutional law to a rodent that's obedient and determined, enough of it at any rate to surpass the present mulatto in chief.
asciilifeform: eh that last one's not so hard
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 17:05:49; mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 23:11:00; imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?
mircea_popescu: "How long would it take for Toyota to start living up to these accusations in earnest? And why should it not do so? What is to be gained from corporate sainthood?" << "De ce te uiti de parca ti-am furat ceva. Daca tot te uiti asa, mai bine ti-as fura."
mircea_popescu: falsely complain of rape ? get raped. might as well.
mircea_popescu: what exactly does one have to gain by NOT doing it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english they say 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
mircea_popescu: not the same sentiment.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe the white rapper guy had some verse to the point
mircea_popescu: my memory fails me
pete_dushenski: more of a double jeopardy
pete_dushenski: white rapper = eminem ?
BingoBoingo: white rapper = Little Debbie?
mircea_popescu: (the original, ie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrgcSQRN0U says "why do you look at me as if i stole from you ? if you're gonna do that, i might as well...)
assbot: B.U.G. Mafia - Cuvinte Grele (feat. Puya, Luchian, Maximilian, Pacha Man & ViLLy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf0rvQ )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but entertain me, for my own education, on a purely business matter of some public interest.
mircea_popescu: i could spend money to have eulora interface translated into some sort of an iapp. it'd prolly work, more or less. i... aren't bothering myself with actually doing this.
mircea_popescu: do you not count it as an example of developer eschewing the monopoly ? and to apple's detriment ?
asciilifeform: it'd have to be sideloaded
mircea_popescu: sure, they got a monopoly on all the candy crush. so ?
mircea_popescu: what is "sideloaded" ?
asciilifeform: run solely on cracked machines
asciilifeform: apple demands that any transfer of value of whatever kind inside an ipnohe proggy happen using their system
asciilifeform: with their vig taken.
mircea_popescu: there is no "transfer of value" within eulora
asciilifeform: ergo no bitcoinatronic apps period.
mircea_popescu: 100% free app, i charge for nothing.
mircea_popescu: same thing as with steam : i would not even accept money from them.
asciilifeform: aha but the first time anyone thinks of using it to move coin, it gets pulled.
mircea_popescu: because how ?
mircea_popescu: they're gonna what, police users ?
asciilifeform: as a non-player, am i mistaken that one can move btc using eulora .. ?
mircea_popescu: but forget this nonsense, focus on the business interest.
mircea_popescu: so : there is a thing. it doesn't go there. to their detriment. what of the monopoly ?
mircea_popescu: or you're proposing that I need ~them~ or something ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, very apparently, does not need the kolhoz, no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can move btc using email, too. what of it ? your problem.
mircea_popescu: but the point is important, in light of your article.
asciilifeform: when i wrote that piece, there was a very temporary phenomenon where the small-time independent programmer appeared to be a thing again
asciilifeform: like in the mid '90s 'shareware scene'
mircea_popescu: so s.mg is excepted because it's... big ?
asciilifeform: because it doesn't actually need anything from anyone.
mircea_popescu: but this is true of all success, ever.
mircea_popescu: ipad didn't get any fortress-whatever that's called action either.
asciilifeform: i wasn't speaking of success, but of a living wage in the leprosorium.
asciilifeform: s.mg does not live in the leprosorium.
mircea_popescu: in fact, and i had this deeply reviewed, ipad is an approximation of "Flash games"/arcade website, which was always a bit player.
mircea_popescu: they have like... 3 types of games, and rehashed ad nauseam.
mircea_popescu: want me to describe ?
asciilifeform: today - yes. it transitioned to the spamatronic cargo cult phase
mircea_popescu: imo they failed unconscionably at this.
asciilifeform: where everything is an imitation of a cheap imitation.
mircea_popescu: and they HAD, 5 years ago, a thing.
asciilifeform: had, aha.
mircea_popescu: missed by a mile, they weren't even shooting towards it.
asciilifeform: today 'steam' appears to be doing the temporary 'having' of that thing
asciilifeform: tomorrow it'll be another, similar.
mircea_popescu: and i'm marginally consdiering them (iirc was in the logs), but also kind-of meh.
asciilifeform: it's a kolhoz
asciilifeform: all kolhoz follow the same dynamic, afaik.
mircea_popescu: and the reason is, apparently, that steam doesn't have the wisdom to have expert packagers out there looking for work.
mircea_popescu: which is what i/bezos would have done as #1 thing to do.
mircea_popescu: it's very strange how stupid perpetuates itself in that market, in spite of better exampled extant, and well publicised.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i (and $maxint others) will port $whateverthefuckyouwant to, e.g., cray II. for a fee.
mircea_popescu: it's almost like the dating market : some people are decent at picking up c hicks, and the losers watch them do it and... still suck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would honestly think it's a waste of your time to do this ?
asciilifeform: you know that's how i waste most of it, right ?
mircea_popescu: not that it's not open to folk wanting the work and +wot centrality, but hey.
asciilifeform: doing wurk to make rentz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, that may be, but i do not waste most of my money downshifting people. in general i waste it upshifting people.
mircea_popescu: hence "pay for your tits" schemes etc.
mircea_popescu: course... people are talented at resisting it, but hey :D
mircea_popescu: "You want a non-tyrannical Apple? Rather than striving to weaken Apple so that it can be devoured by its brawny-yet-mindless competitors, do something constructive. Experiment with GUIs which don’t trace their descent to Xerox PARC. Forever renounce the idiotic practice of copying Microsoft, that cheap imitation of a cheap imitation. If you are creative, create. Otherwise, strive to find a strong-willed Jobs fig
mircea_popescu: ure gifted with good taste, and become his loyal servant."
mircea_popescu: wow, this is 2010 too ?!
BingoBoingo: !s five words
assbot: 8 results for 'five words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=five+words
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which one ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The hang with words one. Finally doing the Severance/sheriff piece
BingoBoingo: Cardinal Richelieu
mircea_popescu: ah right
trinque: bitcoind trashing the debug.log each time has got to go
mircea_popescu: poor trinque fell into a soup.
trinque: it's good for a guy
asciilifeform: trinque: there was a patch. iirc it didn't make it in for some trivial reason
trinque: I'll have a taste of some low-hanging fruit this weekend
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 00:10:19; asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1EmX )
pete_dushenski: twas ol' decimation ftr
asciilifeform: was, wasn't it.
assbot: Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area — for safekeeping ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1Xy0 )
BingoBoingo: lol sure you don't want it pete_dushenski
trinque: jurov: pls switch disgests on the mailing list to off for me; I cannot
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion << got it. will work on this tonight.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?
trinque: *digests
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you're the u.s. legal/policing expert 'round these parts :)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Alright
pete_dushenski: security and finance are my qntra fortes
BingoBoingo: Sometimes it can help to branch out
deedbot-: [Qntra] Man Convicted as Serial Killer Over Circumstantial Evidence - http://qntra.net/2015/11/man-convicted-as-serial-killer-over-circumstantial-evidence/
jurov: trinque you should be set
trinque: jurov: :) ty
mircea_popescu: the circumserial killer.
asciilifeform: how come nobody says 'parallel killer'
pete_dushenski: not everyone's shiva
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316544 << the back-and-forth over gpg registration would be entertaining, at least
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 01:02:00; mircea_popescu: why ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how come nobody says 'parallel killer' << Like McVeigh?
trinque: the nazis had quite the multiprocessing going for a time
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes for my curiosity, does your outfit hire ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: spiffy article. but fails to mention that the writings of s. have not (afaik - has anyone tried hard?) been seen by the public; nor is it publicly known how and where usg obtained them (it is known, iirc, that they were NOT public)
asciilifeform: by all indications, they jailed the crippled man and ransacked his home.
asciilifeform: where they found some schizo notebook of his
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha, hinted but yes a point for the comments!
mircea_popescu: which we know was "of his" because washington post would never lie.
asciilifeform: and stitched it into something for the jury.
asciilifeform: the whole thing smells as strongly as anyone might wish, of usg pushing the bounds of the possible.
BingoBoingo: Definitely for the comments, because I was not thinking of this part
asciilifeform: this, in short, is why i found the case interesting to begin with...
asciilifeform: in ru we say the case was 'stitched together'
asciilifeform: or 'stitched with white thread'
mircea_popescu: "|Ulanoff completely fails to examine this "oh yeah, we suck in some areas claim". Why? The guy's a "car reporter". No more, no less. If he says negative things about the companies that pay his salary, he gets fired and the publication for whom he works never gets another scoop/lead/exclusive." << BUT WHY ?
mircea_popescu: "because the public doesn't matter." ah, okay.
mircea_popescu: so then...
asciilifeform: (this comes from old notebooks having held together with thread, that turned dark with dirt and age. when pages were inserted or removed surreptitiously, new thread was often used to stitch the thing back)
asciilifeform: hence the application to spurious criminal cases.
asciilifeform: white thread.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate' -- missing a dash
asciilifeform: killing -- the real estate
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead killing the sheriff." better?
asciilifeform: still can't parse
mircea_popescu: "Apple's fabrication partners appear to be taking the opposite approach, which is to select parts whose tolerance errors cancel each other out." << this is wartime engineering.
mircea_popescu: that's how the nazis were beaten.
mircea_popescu: +-5% mechanical parts and patience.
asciilifeform: it is soviet sop.
BingoBoingo: "Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead of killing the sheriff." << better?
asciilifeform: was ~the only~ way to get functioning circuits, for instance.
asciilifeform: (chix with bucketz sorting transistors)
asciilifeform: phun phakt, the reject parts went to... schools
mircea_popescu: i don't recall who had this display of "100 ohm resistors" that measured from 30 to a whopping 1.5k
asciilifeform: which is how my brother still doesn't fully believe, in his gut heart, that physics works
asciilifeform: he learned on the 1.5k 100ohm resistors.
mircea_popescu: gutheart lol
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 02:36:33; asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.
mod6: asciilifeform: are you impartial to /tmp instead of ~/gnupgtmp ? I just put in the changes and this is what gpg spit back at me: http://dpaste.com/23A824E.txt
asciilifeform: mod6: home dir is prolly the correct approach
asciilifeform: mod6: see if perl doesn't have a built-in notion of temp dirs
mod6: ah, similar to your py implementation? i'll take a look.
asciilifeform: 'v' doesn't deal in secrets, ergo the actual location is unimportant.
mod6: at first glance, looks like one needs to "use File::Tempdir", so will veer away from that.
asciilifeform: homedir oughta work, but the trick is that you gotta know that it's one you made, every time
asciilifeform: and not one that was previously lying around, that is now about to have its contents zapped
asciilifeform: in lisp parlance, it has to be a 'gensym'
asciilifeform: -- a unique thing that never was and never will be again.
asciilifeform: (literally)
mircea_popescu: q : wouldn't the right way to do this be, "gen session key" ?
asciilifeform: it would, if there were secretz
mircea_popescu: so what if they aren't ?
mircea_popescu: it does offer a firm guarantee that "always the one you made"
mod6: my thought was to create if it doesn't exist, otherwise die. and delete at the end of execution. however there is a scenario where if for instance a seal exists from a key that is not in the wot and the application exits before main returns.
mircea_popescu: gen memory key, keep it in a file keyed thus, delete on finish.
asciilifeform: create in such a way that creation fails if dir existed. problem solved.
mircea_popescu: you can still be lied to.
mircea_popescu: symlinks among others
asciilifeform: and at the end of the day, 'v' is a unix proggy and isn't even a compiled thing, and utterly depends on 1,000,001 things that no one has examined since 1991.
mircea_popescu: just a thought.
mod6: i guess i could hash the epoch time and append it to the dir name, store it as a global for "session" key.
mircea_popescu: how's a time dependency help you ?
mircea_popescu: "time" is not your friend.
mod6: just something unique to when executed.
asciilifeform: this kind of thing can only be implemented as a global thing.
mod6: hmm.
mod6: i don't wanna over complicate this to begin with.
asciilifeform: 'fortunately' it can't be done at all on unix.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 441.223864598
trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
asciilifeform: trinque: how so ?
trinque: that it's a debug log and someone thought well gee if it gets too big better shrink it
trinque: wtf?!
trinque: I'm debugging! leave it!
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc it doesn't shrink, in the classical 0.5.3, if debug flag is on.
trinque: furthermore that it's even the job of the thing to clumsily rotate its own log
asciilifeform: trinque: would you prefer that it depend on a unix log rotator ?
phf: mod6: use File::Temp qw/:mktemp/; $foo = mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXXXXXX"); print $foo."\n"; # => /tmp/foowq51sxd
asciilifeform: can't have it both ways
phf: i'm not sure how more easy can this be
mod6: i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
trinque: asciilifeform: yes I would prefer that it only do one thing, but you are correct that it calls this only if !fDebug
phf: mod6: file::temp is perl stock
phf: mkdtemp is a canonical way of creating a temporary directory on unix, that'll also ensure a) no collisions b) proper permissions, i.e. 700
trinque: asciilifeform: one might rotate a production log, fine
trinque: the rotation was put in the debug log; that is mega-autism
trinque: and not even rotation, goofy head-trimming
asciilifeform: i must confess that i disagree. the thing runs, as it might, self-contained, to the extent practical.
asciilifeform: if you recall, the original wasn't even assured of running on a unix
asciilifeform: where a log autorotator can be had
trinque: if it were the ADA version or even one written with as few deps as possible, I'd grant you're right
trinque: this is *not* standalone at all
asciilifeform: thing was written for winblowz, in its heart, by a winblowz programmer, this is beyond dispute.
trinque: how does the fact that it was written for windows argue for the retardation staying
asciilifeform: staying ?
asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
asciilifeform: in any form.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is reminiscent of the thread concerining upnp.
asciilifeform: *concerning
asciilifeform: we threw it out, because it is really a harmful thing, but later ended up with an impression that it will have to be - in a separate process, yes - put back, if pogo is to be deployed to civilian households
trinque: I am commenting on the idiocy of a thing *ever* taking it upon itself to erase the history of its own operation
asciilifeform: trinque: you don't ever flush your toilet ?
trinque: when it is sitting on a system where the user can decide to do this if he chooses
trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
asciilifeform: there is no human user on, e.g., pogo.
asciilifeform: it is poured into cement.
asciilifeform: in orbit
asciilifeform: yet it still makes sense to have a small 'crash recorder' sort of log, for when it shits itself.
asciilifeform: how do you propose to do this ?
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: but this is pure gold,
asciilifeform: esp for mircea_popescu:
asciilifeform: #ifdef M_GUARD
asciilifeform: if( a ) {
asciilifeform: #error "--enable-m-guard does not currently work"
asciilifeform: ^^^^^^^^^ guess from where ^^^^^^^^^
asciilifeform: trinque: you do know that aircraft crash boxes traditionally ran the tape in a loop, right ?
asciilifeform: because guess what, finite tape fits in box.
asciilifeform: and it was not deemed acceptable for the box to ever not be recording.
trinque: this log file is a small fraction of the size of the blockchain which is also constantly being written
asciilifeform: think about it
asciilifeform: a) a wedged node still pisses into the log b) log contains tx ids, many of which correspond to nothing that ends up in the blocks
trinque: I was thinking of a lower log level than whatever I'd expect from "debug" but in that case yes
asciilifeform: i have machines here where the size of the log approaches the size of the blockchain.
trinque: asciilifeform: why not have the thing barf everything to stdout and stderr and let whatever's out there do with it what it pleases; opposed to unix-y small proggies that do one thing here?
phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
phf: e.g. http://search.cpan.org/~dagolden/File-Temp-0.2304/lib/File/Temp.pm#safe_level (particularly if you read the paragraph under HIGH)
asciilifeform: trinque: and when it runs daemonized ?
trinque: runit runs things in precisely this manner, and is the smallest init guy I know
asciilifeform: see, the whole 'unix philosophy' thing would be considerably more interesting if we had a machine where it actually... worked.
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't even know how big it is, but will tell you that it is too big for pogo.
trinque: ....
asciilifeform: because ANYTHING is too big
trinque: there will be no init?
asciilifeform: prolly not.
asciilifeform: (why waste the precious ram on that ??)
trinque: one sec while I go find the ram usage of runit on a similar device
asciilifeform: if it's 8kb that's too much.
asciilifeform: my argument here is not that the behaviour of the classic debug log is a beautiful thing, but that any change to bitcoin that MAKES MANDATORY the presence of so much as an 8kB proggy on the machine, is LETHAL
asciilifeform: to pogo.
phf: should there even be logs on pogo?
asciilifeform: phf: log in the airplane 'black box' sense only.
asciilifeform: if that.
asciilifeform: moreover, since unix has no future, but unfortunately we are stuck with a junkyard of rusting x86 and arm boxes, it makes sense for bitcoin to evolve in the direction of being an os
trinque: bout two orders of magnitude north of that
phf: in that case you'd better truncate it doing run too, because if that pogo doesn't go down, there's no cap on the log
asciilifeform: but it does NOT make sense for it to evolve in the direction of being 'a good unix util'
trinque: this makes sense
asciilifeform: ... not that the thing is in any way close to being pogoizable
mircea_popescu: !up woivis
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: and it won't be a matter of a few changed lines, either.
mircea_popescu: this is better than daytime dramaz
woivis: thank you mircea
mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?
trinque: init on the same device is taking about 300kb more than runit, as on this thing I have the former starting the latter
asciilifeform: trinque: neither really belongs there.
asciilifeform: in fact, a battlefield bitcoinatron has no business having a conventional 'userland' at all.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:46:35; mod6: i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then you will love the current thread...
asciilifeform brb, food
mircea_popescu getting there
trinque is curiously googling what init=bitcoind would take
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316749 << the principle of this is sound. if you're debugging on pogo you've got more pressing problems than the log. such as your psychotherapy appointment.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:00:13; trinque: no, but my shits do not flush the toilet for themselves....
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:01:40; asciilifeform: #error "--enable-m-guard does not currently work"
mircea_popescu: actually the rotating tape is not such a bad idea. not just for pogo-log, but in general. wild notion, but, asciilifeform how about memory allocator that simply overwrites the beginning ?
phf: system message buffer operates that way (i.e. what you get with dmesg)
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 03:16:02; phf: mod6: you might be right not wanting to `use`. i decided to look at file::temp to see how they do ffi, but instead it's a custom perl written blob. probably reasonable to use, but.. in any case i recommend at least conforming to the api of mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXX") => /tmp/fooAj5. i took a stab at a sample code, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158520, but there are some other things to keep in mind,
mircea_popescu: phf so it does.
mircea_popescu: and for this same exact reason, as alf would say, "cement".
trinque: I suppose given you can fire up networking entirely from within the linux kernel, init=bitcoind may be all that is needed at some point
phf: mircea_popescu: i honestly thought it was a thin wrapper around call to unix mkdtemp, glad i checked
mircea_popescu: trinque the eventual end goal is to have bitcoinix. as alf says, no userland at all. nor really a kernel in the common sense.
mircea_popescu: kinda have a) a nix ; b) a bitcoin and c) an obvious pogo-merge for these two.
phf: apropos this conversation, emacs as init http://informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html, prototyped using "user-mode-linux", http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net something that could be used for bitcoind
assbot: Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpLA7E )
assbot: The User-mode Linux Kernel Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpLA7G )
mircea_popescu: back to tape : not to mention that since these these things are virtualized, you could in principle specify how you wish the available mem to be split among the various rotating tapes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an allocator that knows that it is acceptable to lose some old bits is called a circular buffer and behaves like a looped tape, yes
asciilifeform: e.g., your nic's buffers
asciilifeform: everything on your box that can safely behave this way, pretty much already does.
mircea_popescu: why not mempool ?
asciilifeform: mempool is a great example
asciilifeform: of a mechanism which ought to work this way
mircea_popescu: but not implemented thus currently.
asciilifeform: (see old threads where we beat this to a liquid pulp)
mircea_popescu: apparently not liquid enough. "liquifying - works ; drinking - not yet."
trinque: asciilifeform: thinking the kernel's automount mech. for pogo's external disk slot?
asciilifeform: mount at warmup.
asciilifeform: why ever any time else?
trinque nods
mircea_popescu: so the fucking web idiots have come up with a novel css hell that chokes my browsers.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck these fucking idiots and theyr css. should be hanged.
asciilifeform: this happens regularly enough.
mircea_popescu: your "formatting" does not work inline, go die in a fire.
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << full disclosure via logs is most correct thing for honeytrapping no?
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.
trinque: whole thing is a massive sin
mircea_popescu: it has its merits liquidassets
liquidassets: “only the Übermensch will have the strength to fully accept all of his past life, including his failures and misdeeds, and to truly will their eternal return” grepped straight from the logz
liquidassets: anytime you're opened up to liability, the one who documents best seems to win
BingoBoingo: <liquidassets> ... << full disclosure via logs is most correct thing for honeytrapping no? << Yes, like that time I blogged the FBI visit to my front door
BingoBoingo: For honeydicking, I am less certain the proper course of action
mircea_popescu: pics help.
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liquidassets: Exactly BingoBoingo except I still have to go back and read more to get the full context
liquidassets: honeydicking <<a bitch by definition
mircea_popescu: 4:1 on trump ? cmon.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ?
asciilifeform: wat about the chick
mircea_popescu: the republicans also have chicks now ?
asciilifeform: the one that killed hp
trinque: yeah, old CEO of HP
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah right
trinque: bragged about HP's role helping the NSA under her watch, too
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even aware she's still ruinning
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck are they gonna pick ? jeb ? the doc nobody heard of ? << Doctor Stoner is actually leading now. Rubio appears to be the establishment alternative now that Jeb is dead in the water
BingoBoingo: NEarly all the repubes are still ruining
mircea_popescu: never in history has a nobody been elected before
mircea_popescu: o wait... obama. nm.
asciilifeform: l0l aha
mircea_popescu: i would imagine the republicans understand enough of their small penis issues to not imagine they can pull democrat tricks.
BingoBoingo: Obama, Clinton, Truman...
trinque: Trump and Carson practically fist-bumped on stage in that CNBC "debate"; I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up running together
mircea_popescu: clinton was well known
mircea_popescu: "that guy with the hot wife"
BingoBoingo: Not Bill
BingoBoingo: George Clinton was well known at the time though
mircea_popescu: let's limit this discussion to "after tv"
BingoBoingo: ;;google george clinton
gribble: George Clinton Parliament Funkadelic official website: <http://georgeclinton.com/>; George Clinton (musician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clinton_(musician)>; George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/georgeclintonpfunk/>
BingoBoingo: ^ That CLinton was well known
BingoBoingo: But seriously none of the republicans are going to stop before the first primaries because they gotta build their profile in public to become TV hosts
BingoBoingo: It's the way of their people
BingoBoingo: Democrats on the other hand quit well in advance because getting appointed to various offices is the way of their people
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm still waiting for the magical 1986 or so of our day, when thinking people stop even recreationally giving a shit about the stuffed shirts
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'm still waiting for the magical 1986 or so of our day, when thinking people stop even recreationally giving a shit about the stuffed shirts << Too late BitBet exists
asciilifeform: hey it mostly dropped sport crud
BingoBoingo: Sure, this may too fade
BingoBoingo: !up woivis
trinque: perhaps asciilifeform is waiting for "The USG scam wont see 2019"
asciilifeform: i don't personally expect to see 2019.
asciilifeform: so no, won't bet.
BingoBoingo: These years creep up on people
asciilifeform: in other 'news', malloc is very very complicated.
BingoBoingo: fuck yeah
asciilifeform: considerably more so than, e.g., knuth's, garbage collector.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu finally dug up the sysv6-on-x86 thing. http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1114
assbot: Embedded in Academia : Xv6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Po3G8F )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: turned it up ~by accident~ while looking for entirely unrelated thing.
asciilifeform: 'Xv6 is a rewrite of v6 UNIX in modern C that runs on multicore x86 chips. It compiles in a couple of seconds and is trivial to boot up in QEMU. It took me a while to see the genius of Xv6, which is that it is simpler than I would have thought a working multicore OS with shell and filesystem could be. For example, it lacks wait queues and ready queues — in Xv6, both wakeup and scheduling are accomplished by looping over the
asciilifeform: all-process table. Similarly, there’s no malloc() in the kernel, but rather just a page allocator. The pipe implementation copies one byte at a time. Amazingly, even the bootloader is a pleasure to read. Another nice thing about Xv6 is that it comes with a short textbook that explains OS concepts in terms of their implementations in Xv6.'
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: ^ the animal in the lions book, rewritten for x86.
asciilifeform: robert morris of all people.
asciilifeform: i thought he was dead...
BingoBoingo: Shit, Unix lives again
asciilifeform: if that's living.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/ahorn/xv6 << for those who must read in www browser..
assbot: ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBspXy )
asciilifeform: https://github.com/ahorn/xv6/blob/master/kill.c << example of why lions book was a thing
assbot: xv6/kill.c at master · ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBstqi )
assbot: xv6/grep.c at master · ahorn/xv6 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1WBsuL2 )
asciilifeform: ^ ~100 lines.
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