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pete_dushenski: no misprint.
pete_dushenski: you just give them the phone back after a year
pete_dushenski: in exchange for new one
asciilifeform: presumably new one of same type ?
asciilifeform: then wtf is the point
pete_dushenski: the trick being that the phone depreciates $100 - 200 per year, and crapple's charging customers twice that
asciilifeform: i thought it depreciated to ~0 after you pop the crate
asciilifeform: (who the hell buys a secondhand ipNohe ?!)
pete_dushenski: then apple resells 'refurbished phones' and makes profit
pete_dushenski: tons. huge market for used iphones
pete_dushenski: not everyone can afford full sticker lvmh
pete_dushenski: so, knock-offs, used, etc is the next best thing
pete_dushenski: hell, iphone 4 (5 years old?) still bring in >$100
pete_dushenski: plus, ppl break and lose their phones constantly, so want to replace with similar without going back to cell phone co.
pete_dushenski: so why not save a couple benjamins using craigslist, kijiji, ebay, etc.
pete_dushenski: ok, just checked pricing : new iphone 6s plus 128 gb is $1`289. used iphone 6 plus 128 gb is $850 here. a difference of $439.
pete_dushenski: now if apple's 'iphone upgrade program' were available in canada, which is isn't, this phone would have to be ~cdn$50/month, seeing as usd$ pricing 'starts at $32/mo' for base iphone 6s with 32 gb and cdn-usd is 0.75.
pete_dushenski: very back of napkin, yes, but apple comes out ahead, as you'd fully expect.
pete_dushenski: usians are free to do their own calcs
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pete_dushenski: !s blockr
assbot: 43 results for 'blockr' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockr
pete_dushenski: in other news, "Britain's spy agency the GCHQ has changed its password security guidance in a new document offering sensible advice that, if followed, should harden systems and make life easier for admins and users. The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls."
pete_dushenski: "By simplifying your organisation's approach, you can reduce the workload on users, lessen the support burden on IT departments, and combat the false sense of security that unnecessarily complex passwords can encourage."
pete_dushenski: good grief, charlie brown.
pete_dushenski: i honestly hope gchq follows their own recommendations. should make for some good lulz when they get pwned.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00073275 = 17.5127 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo something a little more interesting than a blazer for ya : http://bringatrailer.com/2014/10/20/lexus-v8-swapped-1988-toyota-4runner/
assbot: Lexus V8 Swapped: 1988 Toyota 4Runner | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4UVks )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00073884 = 5.1349 BTC [+]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski is up late
deedbot-: [Qntra] Qntra's Mascot Dixie Visits Consensus 2015 - http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/
assbot: Ashley Madison pastor commits suicide » Bulletin Leader ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFkrKd )
pete_dushenski: deedbot-'s back !
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell trinque wd on deedbot-, as ever. any progress with the bitbet integration ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: interesting choice to call those coindesk photos as belonging to 'dixie'
pete_dushenski: i get that the bubbles are yours, but why no proper attribution ? say, to the flickr page ?
punkman: "Nishimura estimated that around US$15,000 had been paid to blackmailers targeting Ashley Madison users."
punkman: eh peanuts
pete_dushenski: "...and smart contracts ensure the autism medicine arrives on time." << mega-lol!!
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: punkmans more adverse to a query than bulldoig
Vexual: howzit punk?
Vexual: willl you lay an egg if i dcc?
punkman: heatwave's killing me
pete_dushenski: “GoDaddy reasonably relied in good faith on the representations made by the registrants of the Accused Domains stating that the registration of those domains did not violate any third party trademark rights,” he wrote. “As a result, GoDaddy could not have used or trafficked in any of the Accused Domains with a subjective bad faith intent to profit from the AMPAS Marks until such time as GoDaddy received no
pete_dushenski: tice by a third party of a potential issue.”
Vexual: really?
pete_dushenski: nice try, Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences
cazalla: pete_dushenski, asked the rabbit, he said something 'bout face use and fuck coindesk
cazalla: fair use even
pete_dushenski: men lie, women lie, bunnies don't
pete_dushenski: but seriously, that vitalik line had be lol'ing
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assbot: Crystal Castles - Untrust Us - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii7ZpX )
Vexual: i still like punk
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 01:42:35; BingoBoingo: Fucking wikisocialism http://www.wikihow.com/Dampen-the-Enthusiasm-of-Your-Neighbors-Who-Want-to-Add-a-New-Fence
punkman: what's this communal fence business
cazalla: how else do you do it punkman ?
punkman: cazalla: you want a fence, you build it and it's none of my business?
Vexual: this
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cazalla: i guess that works, but knocking on ya neighbourinos door and asking if they too think it's time to replace the fence works ok (did this last year)
cazalla: then agian, i live in the 'burbs where people at least try to make their homes presentable
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Vexual: gudDmgr1H3o
Vexual: K8KgP2aOXcA
punkman: cazalla: guess it might make some sense if you know the guy
pete_dushenski: !down Vexual
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12344 @ 0.00072647 = 8.9675 BTC [-]
cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852.html lol bravo "Australi Witness's online actions might have had fatal real-world consequences in May. In the leadup to an exhibition in Garland, Texas, at which pictures of the Prophet Mohammed were to be displayed, "Australi Witness" tweeted the event's address and reposted a tweet urging people to go there with "weapons, bombs or wi
assbot: FBI says 'Australian IS jihadist' is actually a Jewish American troll named Joshua Ryne Goldberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ii9l3W )
cazalla: th knifes".
assbot: | Making stuff from scratch in the wild ... ( http://bit.ly/1iia0CG )
pete_dushenski: re ^ : wake stan up when guy makes kalash bullets :)
pete_dushenski: your stomach has settled ?
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269855 guess that's the usual deal, unless you work for the gov
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:00:18; cazalla: Vexual, nah i left because of some issues with asbestos and then started a new job, but turned out $25 p/h for an 8 hour working day actually meant $25 p/h for first 8 hours, work for next 4 hours for free! (fuck 12 hour days even if it was fully paid)
mircea_popescu: oh man that was brutal.
mircea_popescu: cazalla don't they have overtime where you live ? 8 x 25 + 4 x 50 = 400/day not so bad.
cazalla: yeah, they do, but that was included.. was more like we'll pay you to work 8am-4pm but we need you to work 7am-6pm
cazalla: was not i mean
mircea_popescu: lol australia is that fucked huh.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/#comment-115298 << for the record i can attest a) that this is worth 20 iq points easyu and b) that about 50% of beatings slavegirls get in their first five years are related to failure to follow this principle / the enforcement of this principle in their head. it's worth it.
assbot: An hero is he... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lno1pc )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00072647 = 12.3137 BTC [-]
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assbot: Oakland Zoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1ERyFrA )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00072604 = 17.425 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit what some inadequate "Imogen Ibbett" felt at any point ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] The great Nedeflorena show - http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/
mircea_popescu: it's a surgery training program not a fucking daycare.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269560 << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 16:45:31; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/coinwallet-turns-stress-test-into-dust-givaway/ << Re: proliferation of weird tx recently
mircea_popescu: and then counting "mentions" as a proof of "success".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.000737 = 13.6397 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269604 << lol. clearly the usg isn't fudging anything, and anyone who wants to laugh at their inept self-lying has to explain... the something numbers
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 18:49:07; mats: >According to the report, some analysts allege that reports deemed overly negative in their assessment of the Syria campaign were either blocked from reaching policymakers or sent back down the chain of command. Others claim that key elements of intelligence reports were removed, fundamentally altering their conclusions.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall what exactrly, ritholz has it.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00073718 = 14.5224 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The report alleges that when the analysts' complaints were initially aired, some of those who complained were urged to retire, and did so.
mircea_popescu: bwahahah.
mircea_popescu: they went to work for metansa right alf ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << honestly it's mildly disappointing to see them mentioned at all. derps did exacly nothing, and failed to even confront their failure. instead they're pretending like it didn't happen and no doubt imaginew this is marketing << Honestly this latest failure is probably the end of covering them at all. Some derpy block explorers are claiming hundreds of MB of mempool off of people pushing mega dust collection t
BingoBoingo: x on them, but I don't see any of them even getting relayed here. Really it's like WTF they are letting other people try to clean up the mess they made in the UTXO set.
mircea_popescu: never happened as best i can see
jurov: ;;later tell pete_dushenski done
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00072559 = 18.3574 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
mircea_popescu: the completely warantless pretense that some sort of notable forces of the idiotards are you know, right past the horizon ready toi get into the fray
mircea_popescu: i've called the bluff every time, it turned out to be a bluff every time.
mircea_popescu: somehow tho i don't expect a change of strategy. kinda hard to do anything else when got nothing whatsoever.'
BingoBoingo: Oh there's people trying to sweep those private keys, but no one relays that shit anymore. If it wasn't for the fail way they are trying to spam in reverse now, it would be like qntra covering the weather. Instead it's just another loop to make in the rope.
mircea_popescu: jameson Lopp @lopp · 17h17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: @anarcholiberty @jonmatonis @adam3us @Joi @techreview @qntra is hateful inaccurate propaganda; their useful points are overshadowed by it.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is jameson lopp ?
davout: mircea_popescu: "If you impaled it's perfect." <<< kek'd
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck is jameson lopp ? << 'statoshi' on other forms some herpity derp creature working for BitGo, some wallet thing
mircea_popescu: oh wait, the xt promoter dude ?
BingoBoingo: One of them
mircea_popescu: awww, it so deeply matters that guy doesn't like qntra
mircea_popescu: i was so totally expecting he would, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Seriousy
BingoBoingo has been humming "I didn't start the slander..." to the tune of Billy Joel
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 20:14:41; shinohai: Thanx mod6. Appears to be all I lost besides an old crummy BTC wallet that only had dust in it.
assbot: We Didn't Start the Flame War - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F0RMiH )
mircea_popescu: except in this case, we did. but anyway.
BingoBoingo: I can't help it if this lopp kid want's to try his hand at slander without the strength of kakobrekla's slanderous soul of legend
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2015 21:16:03; mats: assad's regime and isis on the field of battle, with hopes that ru gets to enjoy afghan part 2
punkman: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc << I think there's more than a handful that don't need to touch C at all
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 12:08:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!!
mircea_popescu: punkman on what, the symbolics machine ? that can't even be shipped ?
punkman: on x86
assbot: PicoLisp Wiki: home ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvrZu )
punkman: " 64 bit version (written in asm)"
mircea_popescu: i stand impressed.
mircea_popescu: asm lisp, srsly ?
punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
mircea_popescu: There is a 32 bit version (written in C), a 64 bit version (written in asm), a 64-bit emulator as well as a Java version.
mircea_popescu has doubts.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Mark Karpelès Charged With Embezzelment in Latest MtGox Criminal Charge - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mark-karpeles-charged-with-embezzelment-in-latest-mtgox-criminal-charge/
BingoBoingo: Title fixed
mircea_popescu: omfg all the nice things ppl say! no wonder i was feeling better later that same day!!1
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: Also what happened to the food taster who is supposed to prevent these things
mircea_popescu: sometimes i live dangerously!
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270111 <<< how the fuck is that a "College Humour original" when it is an obvios copy of ytmnd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-DMIf-WZYU
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:46:17; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos ?
assbot: We Didn't Start This Website (YTMND) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LnvSmS )
mircea_popescu: cazalla i don't thinbk you understand how hot topic works.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is also a mit original technologee.
mircea_popescu: im sorry, "blockchain"
BingoBoingo: College Humor is like a level 2 welfare spammatron. A bit more polished than warrior forum, but still an IAB spam thing.
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/nyFe8jk.jpg << what the fuck is this sutpid shit
BingoBoingo: Sorry IAC
punkman: fanplanet
mircea_popescu: so what is it, captain plunger ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's leik the new bronies
assbot: Minions (Western Animation) - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnw6Ku )
mircea_popescu: sandra bullock ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking wonder i never heard of it.
BingoBoingo: Voice acting
BingoBoingo: But apparently
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assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 9231f2c2f189cfda4b8e7fa0d16b16a22b9e8da04b8f542cd787116dbefaa450 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lnwfh2 )
BingoBoingo: It's apparently a propaganda film telling children it is ok to be fat, stupid and incompetent. Stuff works out jsut look at reddit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've said this a few times but it readily gets forgotten : coinbase fragmentation is threatening to become a rather serious problem for bitcoin eventually.
mircea_popescu: could be a much stricter limit on scalability than the block size
mircea_popescu: specifically : the total number of bitcoin units of account that can be circulating is 2100000000000000.
mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
mircea_popescu: the system will have to track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items. which, at say half a kb weight each, will cost exabytes to fully move
davout: and at this point transaction fees can't exist anymore
mircea_popescu: exactly.
punkman: gonna need more decimal points
mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
mircea_popescu: would really benefit from more discussion and modelling.
mircea_popescu: because you know for a fact as btc will run up to 10k next, the "consumers need this improvement" thing will be lowering the spam limit.
mircea_popescu: which itself is sensible, but wtf does it do ?
mircea_popescu: punkman obviously there are no decimal points. nor were there ever.
punkman: eh more, zeroes then
BingoBoingo: Integers all the way down.
mircea_popescu: this is oft repeatred you know "we'll just add more zeroes"
mircea_popescu: orly ? how ? what will it do ?
davout: scalabitchity
jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
jurov: "she even made me a coffee"
BingoBoingo: Eh, so Satoshi actually invented Bitcoin with too many units. Too much divisibility
mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
punkman: "track 2.1 * 10^ 15 items" blocksize limit certainly protects against this
davout: "will cost exabytes to fully move" <<< it's ok because moore's law
punkman: I don't see why adding more zeros isn't possible, nontrivial sure, probably on the order of changing workfunction
mircea_popescu: do you understand what effects it has ?
punkman: haven't really thought about it
mircea_popescu: exactly my point.
mircea_popescu: collectively we've not spent nearly enough thinking about that angle.
BingoBoingo: It may just be that the last 4 digits are there for precision and signalling.
mircea_popescu: possible.
mircea_popescu: currently it works with the last 5 digits pretty much being unusable other than for that.
mircea_popescu: so hgow much can be yielded ? 1 more ? 2 ? 5 ? a full 32 ? a full 64 more ?
punkman: on an unrelated note, I think I have a rough algorithm for dealing with V patch conflicts
mircea_popescu: that should nbe interesting to see
BingoBoingo: Could be we end up with 1 less
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo think about it this way, the spam tx limit is currently worth very little. if it runs up to 10k it will be worth cents.
BingoBoingo: I could see the spam tx limit run up to 100k and be worth dollars
mircea_popescu: and it can not be underscored enough how that is a much larger problem than the recent block size nonsense.
mircea_popescu: here, we discusased "potential users" and the blocks haven't been full etc
BingoBoingo: Seriously this is the shit that needs modeled.
mircea_popescu: there, we'll be discussing "you may not use bitcoin to transfer less than 2.8 dollars' worth"
mircea_popescu: very hugely different sort of limitation on the usage.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: at $100k bitcoin we could be talking about no practical way to send less than a crisp hundred dollar bill
mircea_popescu: at least as it is now.
BingoBoingo: But at that point the hundred dollar bill might not be worth a loaf of bread
mircea_popescu: why not ?
BingoBoingo: The Wiemar USistan
mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
mircea_popescu: here, there's bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it forces the paper and assorted fiats into stability.
mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
davout: what spam limit are you referring to?
mircea_popescu: what was it, 20k
davout: the minimum output size?
davout: the dust thing?
davout: it's not very clear to me how this thing works
mircea_popescu: which thing ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31393 @ 0.00073424 = 23.05 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to Bitcoin SIG We are a group of Mensa members who are interested in cryptocurrency and enjoy discussing the developments occurring in this space."
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah o god.
davout: looks like a limit based on the minimum relay fee
davout: but that is only enforced at relay level, and by some miners
davout: it's by no means a hard protocol limit
mircea_popescu: davout for sure not. but it does practically worek to keep tx large enough, and more importantly, coinbases few.
mircea_popescu: only works because btc is not too valuable atm.
mircea_popescu: what happens when this prop is no longer available ?
mircea_popescu: we're, at least to my eyes, in the situation where we've built something against a sleeping rhino. once it gets up and moves, what happens ?
davout: looks to me like this highlights another aspect of the tragedy of the commons thing, because miners don't bear the full cost of a large UTXO, they have no particular incentive to give fee rebates to UTXO-consolidating transactions
mircea_popescu: i think for a while gentmenan-ness will prevail and the consolidaitons will be mined in preference
mircea_popescu: but this is no sort of solution.
mircea_popescu: ie, you'll never have that many legitimate txns that also consolidate. especially as the size opf bitcoin economy increases.
mircea_popescu: by very definition, increased size = fragmentation of coinage.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect the coinbase count will be, going forward, one of the most important metrics of economic health.
mircea_popescu: sorta like replacement for gnp
davout: you mean the spendable outputs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19566 @ 0.00073718 = 14.4237 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: coinbase count = the number of available inputs.
davout: ah, my definition of coinbase is a spendable output that was not created by spending another output, ie. new money
mircea_popescu: fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn't be in a situation where input and outpuit means the same thing
mircea_popescu: davout well that's the meaningful sense of the term when you're doing graph traversal and whatnot, cause it's where it starts. but in this context it seemed to me it'd rather mean , "clumps of satoshi available to be spent"
davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is too phalocentric.
BingoBoingo: And now for the Latest out the the MIT Bitcoin Studies department https://i.imgur.com/TwnFjdX.png
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269853 << i'll say tho, warnings have to be specific and useful.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 02:58:51; assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 16:35:32; mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes you think some warnings should be brewed maybe ?
mircea_popescu: "be careful!" is not a warning.
mircea_popescu: "this bear likes to fuck people ; you an tell it's horny by the red patch above its nose" IS a warning.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1P513CV.txt )
mircea_popescu: in this context it was specifically re chillum's protests re security practices etc.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:02:43; Vexual: warning: bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269863 << maybe it's not obvious what "no questions asked" means.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:16:09; pete_dushenski: "Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box -- literally -- with a controversial proposal to set up a gun "drop box" to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked." << "we also advise residents to wipe their guns clean of fingerprints and bodily fluids because we WILL be inspecting each and every firearms for evidence that may be used in any ongoing investiga
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269882 << but, remarkably, not really fuck. and the reason isn't some sort of misplaced propriety
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:24:17; pete_dushenski: "internet companies "across China" are hiring "pretty, talented girls that help create a fun work environment. Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role."
mircea_popescu: the reason is that fuck is too expensive for the man.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:34:09; asciilifeform: with no gurlz, there is 'flat hierarchy'
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:38:05; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it was priced, to a penny, to match mircea_popescu conf
mircea_popescu wasn't paying attention.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:40:23; pete_dushenski: with the cold sandwiches on PAPER plates at 'consensus'.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:47:45; pete_dushenski: ^ from a study of southern italy over past 40 years
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269953 << omfg they didn;'t actually just do that ?!
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 03:58:53; pete_dushenski: ya, ~$30 per month ad infinitum gets you the latest greatest iphone
mircea_popescu: omfg they did. ok, this is the dumbest move apple ever took, or could have taken. the only remainder value in the entire pointless entreprise was the perception of value. this is the texbook way to ruin perception of value : put them on a monthly installment, like fucking diapers.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
mircea_popescu: tim cook is officially retarded.
mircea_popescu: (wtf is this conflation of sales and ops going on at apple anyway)
phf: maybe they realized that iphone is not cool anymore, and switched to milking it for quantity
mircea_popescu: this is the wrong approach to do that.
mircea_popescu: they lost 20bn in brand value for a few million in cash. and they have cash.
mircea_popescu: they should be flowing things the other way around ffs.
punkman: they want wider adoption
punkman: aye
mircea_popescu: The guidance advocates a ban on password strength meters, mandatory resets, and predictable combinations, instead encouraging brute force rate limiting and reduced access controls." << in other words, "password gimmicks don't work an we're back to ip bans, in a 100% reversal of the fecal consensus of 2005"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269997 << win. it's regrettable that more "average people" aren't heroes already, srsly.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 06:20:30; cazalla: sheeit, another user an hero's himself http://www.bulletinleader.com/ashley-madison-pastor-commits-suicide/74435/
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/qntras-mascot-dixie-visits-consensus-2015/ << worst female knees ever omfg what is this, elephantitis ?
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mircea_popescu: mkay that thing was pretty sad.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just don't understand how real 'Murican women look
mircea_popescu: dude it;s impossible.
mircea_popescu: i had to check for photochops
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: her knees are bigger than her head.
BingoBoingo: Maybe she has a condishun' like edema or arthritis. Knees aren't engineered to carry that all above above them.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/14.jpg <<< is that their high chancellor ? and is that a dildo or a lava lamp in the display behind his chancellorness ?
mircea_popescu can't readily figure out which of the two is more ridiculous.
BingoBoingo: Why can't it be both?
shinohai: morning, mircea_popescu feeling better today?
mircea_popescu: i suppose lava lamp warms huh
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah!
BingoBoingo: It does
shinohai: Awesum
cazalla: oops, didnt realise i botched the image links
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shinohai: Is that Butterin wearing the Steve Urkel pants for real?
davout: cazalla: your article is incredible
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davout 's favourite is the one with gmaxwell
cazalla: aww that might be overstating it just a tad
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davout: "$1,500 for this shit?"
shinohai: I wonder if the jester is aware of the irony of his latest tweet today https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/642278738848292864
shinohai: LOL deleted
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BingoBoingo: Eat moar corn
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shinohai: Also, get off fat ass and exercise moar.
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mircea_popescu: so the list of places where obama can still show up consists of... fort meade ?
BingoBoingo: prolly
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mircea_popescu: how goes PinkPosixPXE
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mircea_popescu: "Great Job, Everyone! Bitcoiners are DDoSing Bitcoin (motherboard.vice.com)"
mircea_popescu: except no, gavin's scamcoin is not bitcoin, and no, vice is not news.
shinohai: lol. XT camp takes it as a sign they have already won the game obviously.
mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULcfKf )
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-regulation/#selection-107.0-107.235
mircea_popescu: the boat's still missed. but i gotta say it's fucking hysterical to obvserve the US as a society behaves collectively exactly like every ustard individually. haughty pretense at first, desperate flailing once it's too late.
mircea_popescu: would have been so fucking hard to submit and obey in 2013, rly.
mircea_popescu: Deloitte to audit to BitEx.la Bitcoin exchange, the first of its kind in Argentina and possibly in the world for a market of Bitcoin << except a) it doesn't actually exist and b) all of the fucking nopes already, wtf.
mircea_popescu: how many of these throwaway items have we seen so far.
BingoBoingo: Seriously that noise is the hardest part about qntra
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mircea_popescu: Website is rising up!
mircea_popescu: as soon as they are ready, the reservation system and Bitcoin integration should be ready also.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15713 @ 0.00074038 = 11.6336 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: best bitcoin troll ever.
BingoBoingo: Oh, tortilla's place?
shinohai: Related to mircea_popescu 's article: http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-11
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shinohai: hanbot strikes again
punkman: fluffypony: how did the castle look when you visited?
mircea_popescu: honestly i think the decrepit reality looks muchg better than the mcmanshion candy-cane photochop
mircea_popescu: just, not really as a hotel. pretty decent setting for a remake of diabolique tho
phf: haunted mansion night for two, complete with victorian meal, costumed entertainment. BTC accepted
mircea_popescu: "I listed my castle for sale. If I manage to flip now, even at a slight fiat loss, I would have gained 3x the bitcoins in a year. Decent trade, huh?"
mircea_popescu: and if he just sat on the silver or w/e it was... but no matter.
mircea_popescu: phf you know they supposedly have those torture hotels in tokyo
phf: authentic Cube experience
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mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0TTX2CN << somebody cribbed the wrong part off b-a logs
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phf: you would know better, are there "bdsm" hotels? in the style of those italian "discipline" comics, with pony waitresses and a strict madame running the place
mircea_popescu: how can these people be that retarded srsly ? dump random txn ? that's the plan ?
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mircea_popescu: phf yeah, they exist like buenos aires night life exists.
punkman: heh
mircea_popescu: if you're working a boring dayjob and need that fantasy to get out of bed in the morning.
phf: with japanese salarimen from the 80s doing company retreats
mircea_popescu: http://upalc.com/online-money.php << pretty canonical come to think of it.
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mircea_popescu: "11. Don't know a thing? No worries you are not alone, but that shouldn't stop you from blogging as it doesn't stop others, you can still make money just by blogging on topics that are interesting"
phf: that looks like a subtle troll, like an updated version of jeff k.
shinohai: lol I posted that link last night, such lolz
shinohai: He argues for "intelligent design" a lot
phf: mircea_popescu: i took your trilema recommendation to visit istanbul, this place is indeed fantastic
mircea_popescu: have a shishkebap for me.
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phf: plenty of that, also fresh fish. my american girl is finally convinced that there's something fundamentally wrong with u.s. food supply
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/zfLcA20.jpg << there's something coallescing in my head here. basically, the us bet on india against china. and lost.
mircea_popescu: (who the fuck told those women to wear overknee skirts, srsly now)
phf: no, i showed her pictures from consensus though, as a reminder, she double down on her studies of turkish language
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shinohai: Can anyone here recommend a decent laptop with backlit keyboard ?
mircea_popescu has thinkpads. amd inside.
shinohai: I miss my thinkpad, trying to get a friend in Indiana to sell me one of his old ones.
mircea_popescu: no backlit tho
shinohai: I'll take the tradeoff, I have a soft spot for older computers.
shinohai: Guy has fucktons of old servers and equipment. I had him look through his stash for that godsurge chip.
assbot: The Tar Pit - The myth of "software engineering" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULhslr )
punkman: "This isn’t to say that there aren’t large systems that can be formally specified: Bitcoin is one such example."
punkman: what spec lol
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PinkPosixPXE: hey mircea_popescu, doing pretty good, been busy with the new job, how are you?
asciilifeform: wb mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270064 << dear glub. sorry mircea_popescu, not even sure which part of this fiction to begin with !
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:25:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267867 <<< haha wut. except any lisp is also implemented atop libc, and half the time atop fucking python and some shit. don't throw stones ye of the glass house.
asciilifeform: 1) you will never see 'lisp on python' outside of a school classroom
asciilifeform: 2) sbcl and other adult commonlisps a) use c version for bootstrapping, which is to say, compiling self to a legit 100% self-shat executable --- but they will link with libc for unix terminal i/o, sockets, etc
asciilifeform: b) plenty of lisps, of various descriptions, mainly but not exclusively 'scheme' implementations, written in 100% asm from the ground
asciilifeform: e.g., the very same mulisp discussed in the 'derive.exe' thread; 'dream' (x86 and later x86_64 scheme implementation;) and others
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270083 << l0l mircea_popescu, everybody knows (tm) that metansa would never contain something so pedestrian as a report-writer, much less one who interfaced with something as boring as a politician. it is 100% people who break rsa, devise single-transistor backdoors to plant in intel, devise 'natural disease mimicking' poisons, etc.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:36:50; mircea_popescu: they went to work for metansa right alf ?
asciilifeform: ^ my personal favourite
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270090 << hey, it worked for killing linux! that is, it is alive, but on what, 100 boxes, and the rest happily run shituntu and subscribe to autoupdates, happily run usg binaries, etc.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:39:23; mircea_popescu: this is more of the "gavin has spoken with experts" / "btcoin business support"/ "xt is going to matter" etc etc verbiage.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270129 << sure you can. all you need is another common lisp ! doesn't matter from where, or running on what
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 08:50:47; punkman: not sure if you can bootstrap SBCL without any C though
asciilifeform: come on folks, compilation is not magic.
asciilifeform: and 'c' is most certainly not magical. just a piss-poor macro assembler of a kind.
punkman: asciilifeform: I just read that SBCL has 20k lines of C
asciilifeform: punkman: sure does. mainly for building bootstrapper. but also for unix i/o
asciilifeform: as described earlier.
punkman: so if I want to bootstrap SBCL on say picolisp, how much of that C do I have to rewrite?
asciilifeform: picolisp is NOT A COMMONLISP
asciilifeform: has, for fucks sake, dynamic scope
asciilifeform: NOT ALL LISPS ARE THE SAME
asciilifeform: picolisp is less similar to common lisp than 'c' is to 'pascal'
punkman: ok, on dream or mulisp or other then
asciilifeform: 'dream' is a 'scheme';
phf: you could target picolisp from sbcl, same way as you're right now targeting the unix to common lisp machine abstraction layer, that's written in c
asciilifeform: mulisp is its own creature
asciilifeform: aha phf has it. but n00bz always assume that lisps are interchangeable
asciilifeform: they are not.
asciilifeform: it is important to know why items such as picolisp and mulisp exist - compactness. (and to a lesser extent, 'fits in head'.)
asciilifeform: 'targeting' them as if they were c-machine arch would result in a terrific blob of unreadable shit
asciilifeform: which will yes, run
asciilifeform: but kinda defeats the purpose of the exercise.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270165 << and if every man, woman, child, dog, cat, in china, got on a stool and jumped at once...
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:04:07; mircea_popescu: if we actually get maximal utilization, which means every single unit of account is independent,
asciilifeform: this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270170 << there is considerably more ugly in the fact that the actual meaning of the system IS NOT SPECIFIED because NOBODY ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT the crap does - esp. bdb, openssl, etc
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:07:45; mircea_popescu: there's an entire ugly unspecified state downstream people keep pushing under the rug
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270180 << dun worry jurov, su is dead & buried and its heresies, such as installing brains in (some) chicks, are likewise fading
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:11:26; jurov: lol the programming cheerleaders.. i've heard fantastic tales from bygone era in czechoslovakia about female *system* programmers one would literally go for debugging help in the darkest hours
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asciilifeform: jurov: that is, you can still find one with brain installed, but it has to be naturally-occurring. which, sure, go and wait for the natural fission reactor. THERE IS ONE ! geologists found it! somewhere in africa.
asciilifeform: then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270183 << and in more or less the whole su colonial world
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:12:18; mircea_popescu: jurov actually the she-programmers of yugo were famous in romania in the 80s
phf: my grandmother worked in my grandfather's department, designing analogue circuits, and it wasn't some contrived "women in engineering", simply something she was good enough at to get hired into "оборонка"
asciilifeform: ^ aha this was sop
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ?
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:07; mircea_popescu: i doubt it. see, wiemar collapsed because THERE WAS NO currency. at all.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:25:40; mircea_popescu: sorta like the emperor of flies can't happen with an adult present.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:41:57; davout: it's an output in the bathroom, it's an input in the bedroom
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270266 << if you want your employees to fight to the death, yes, throw in the chix
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 09:57:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269902 << so then it's the rifht move ?
asciilifeform: so depends 'right move' ~for what~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270278 << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. i often go into town on weekends on the train. there is literally no one too ragged, too ethnic, whatever, to be playing with apple gadget, often more than one. literally, stinking bums have'em, and had for years.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 10:02:44; mircea_popescu: who the fuck commodifies his premium product for boredom o may gawd
asciilifeform: now, what you often ~will~ see is folks, esp. females, playing with iphone ~with cracked glass~. this tells you that a) almost certainly owner got it 'via contract', which is to say as a slave collar from the telco; and b) cannot remotely afford to pay the thing's retail price to replace it
asciilifeform: but there are folks who know how to change the glass, and it is inexpensive; hell, i did it myself for a few personal friends back in the day
asciilifeform: ~this~ is the racket apple would like to roll up
kakobrekla: "i can show you i sleep in a shoebox in the middle of the street on my iphone"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: laugh but i have personally witnessed hobos with iphone.
kakobrekla: i know its true.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 10:04:15; mircea_popescu: tim cook is officially retarded.
kakobrekla: the only way you dont have a bumphone is if you have the latest one.
kakobrekla: in their view.
asciilifeform: (items like $3k laptops where the screen cracks two weeks after purchase, and THEY WON'T TAKE IT BACK, are why. that kind of thing is not forgotten, not forgiven. if the alternative were not microshit, apple would already be dead.)
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phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i think 5 to 6 period was the p
phf: eek for apple
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270419 << this leads to one neglected unix script tool which one could easily implement 'v' in a few lines - 'gnu make' !
asciilifeform: phf: go on train, bus, where everyone is bored, in usa. 9 ipnohe to 1 turdroid, at times.
asciilifeform: (boredom lures the pnohes out of pockets and to where you can see them)
asciilifeform: if there was something 'statusy' about it, this disappeared in 2009 or earlier.
phf: asciilifeform: this stuff seems more pronounced further away you are from фабрика грез. i'm sure you'd still be the coolest boy on the block with an iphone in kerala
kakobrekla: need more bumphones in africa so they can use ze blockchain
phf: fingers crossed xt ios app will be ready by the time africa is the last remaining apple market
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phf: "hookah is coming -- you pack it here? -- he go elsewhere, we don't like say no" what a nice country
pete_dushenski: jurov: cheers !
punkman: phf, bringing hookah from other shop down the stree?
punkman: *street
shinohai: o/ pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: gooood morning
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pete_dushenski: ^ obviously
pete_dushenski: for contractors, certainly.
pete_dushenski: for salaried employees who work 9-5 in a cubicle, obviously not.
pete_dushenski: actually seems like a sane ruling to me.
pete_dushenski: and this is certainly the way i'm billed whenever i have a contractor fix something on a property. travel time is always included.
shinohai: I always got to include travel time in my former employment, but only "to" job site and not the return trip.
pete_dushenski: half is better than nothing ?
pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arrived…In all,
pete_dushenski: about seven hundred thousand Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies were killed. Yet a higher number survived. This is a dramatic contrast to the lands where the state was destroyed, where almost all Jews were killed."
pete_dushenski: basically, be hungarian, not estonian
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pete_dushenski: in other news, "the Agriculture Department announced this morning that 48 million Americans live in “food insecure” households."
pete_dushenski: "“Food insecurity” is a statistic designed to mislead. USDA defines food insecurity as being “uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food.”"
pete_dushenski: "The definition of “food insecure” includes anyone who frets about not being able to purchase food at any point. If someone states that they feared running out of food for a single day (but didn’t run out), that is an indicator of being “food insecure” for the entire year — regardless of whether they ever missed a single meal. If someone wants organic kale but can afford only conventional kale, that
pete_dushenski: is another “food insecure” indicator."
pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
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assbot: North Korea exploits 0-day in Seoul's favourite word processor • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBQo0R )
phf: punkman: yes, not for purchase though, to smoke. he ran to a different location, packed it there, brought here, and then proceeded to refresh coals by repeating the process
phf: what smoking permits
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00074137 = 12.974 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: http://3.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/b/-/bustedtees.57137f3b-8a5b-489e-a756-2f8bb616.jpg
funkenstein_: 6bdr_2IAJWU <-- mos def, immortal technique, eminem
funkenstein_: !rate cazalla 1 respecable journalist
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funkenstein_: one more for you on a lighter note http://i.imgur.com/uahrPfW.gifv
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: US spy chief's 'highly unusual' reported contact with military official raises concerns | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULW0gb )
pete_dushenski: "James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, is said to talk nearly every day with the head of US Central Command’s intelligence wing, Army Brigadier General Steven Grove – “which is highly, highly unusual”, according to a former intelligence official." << it brings a tear to mine eye to see these bureaucrats breaking down barriers like this. *sniff*
assbot: 10 ways you can tell if you’re a ‘feminazi’ | Laura Bates | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1EStbgg )
shinohai: Step 1. Sign up for Reddit and tumblr
pete_dushenski: step 2. steal socks. step 3... step 4. reparations!
shinohai: I wonder if the author of that article would be mad if I made a masturbation pun on her name.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 10305 @ 0.00009778 = 1.0076 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: shinohai: not like she'll ever read the logs. have at 'er :)
shinohai: Unless I make them red in the face, where's the fun?
shinohai: I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/
assbot: Auctions Archive - Biddaters.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULYfjt )
pete_dushenski: looks to be ~$1/lb as a going rate, shockingly, exactly like in that trilema article
ascii_field: 'Yes, opium was a murderous agent in our blood streams. Yes, we were addicted. But we gained a gravelly tone that made friends’ poetry recitations bearable. If we expired bit by bit, we were comfortable in our growing numbness. Opium eased away frustrations and failings. This was a traditional addiction respectful of our history, of traditions that allowed us to go with the flow as we socialised around glowing charcoa
ascii_field: l trays. Lethal, yes, but slow and relaxed – almost spiritual.'
ascii_field: (vintage article, where persian supposedly laments the coming of new dope to replace old, http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/may/13/crystal-meth-tehrans-new-drug-of-choice )
assbot: Crystal meth: 'Walk a little way in any direction and buy it for a trifle' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZorm )
shinohai: pete_dushenski: my mind instantly thought of that trilema article lol
pete_dushenski: shinohai: can you find it ? i can't !
assbot: Fetlife, the meat market on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ULZI9D )
pete_dushenski: nah, think it mighta been 'battlefield of the future'
shinohai: hrmm ...
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shinohai: Think that was 2014 archive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00073616 = 18.7353 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: dpaste: 1CT56Q8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM0inL )
shinohai: lol ascii_field so I guess I can't let my guard down.
shinohai: National emergencies and all.
punkman: why haven't they made the emergency permanent yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00073233 = 21.384 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: That we should mirror ancient Rome, suspend democracy and give Obama sole power to defend our borders.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29390 @ 0.00073055 = 21.4709 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: choke off all commerce with more fascism, great idea
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270540 << also the peculiarly american conflation of various industrial waste for 'food'
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:55:23; pete_dushenski: gotta love those statist stats. what would we do if we knew that poor people were fat and poor because we were redistributing wealth so as to ensure that they stay that way in perpetuity ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270543 << run moar winblowz ! 'backdoor dubbed PeachPit which is pinned on North Korean-based attackers.' << why not pinned on redmond, washington ?
funkenstein_: lol hotus potus
pete_dushenski: "So run off to the bathroom, strip naked and weigh yourself. Pork bellies go for ~$1 per pound, and so do you (provided you were frozen, trimmed, and added up to enough of your peers to make a 18`000 kg package)." << http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.273-133.484
assbot: The battlefield of the future on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM248j )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: ^
ascii_field: vast exaggeration - no one would buy pork of this quality, not for a penny a pound
ascii_field: pig fed human shit - is edible. china, 5000+ yrs. pig fed industrial waste - no.
pete_dushenski: mebbe girl eats organic
ascii_field: difficult to become 'planet' on actual food
pete_dushenski: well, no one's buying planets now are they, not even mr. musk
shinohai: thx pete_dushenski
ascii_field: just pointing out that the people pictured in BingoBoingo's links did not get the way they are by eating actual food
shinohai: Approprite quote :D
shinohai: Nor did they make that conference by using actual bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.0007296 = 3.9435 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.toomandre.com << toom of toom-cook algo. teaches in brazil.
assbot: Home page of Andre Toom, Andrei Toom ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmxRvT )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: English Educ ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HqJ )
assbot: dpaste: 3JY6ENM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4HHn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00072891 = 6.9975 BTC [-]
ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.0007296 = 12.3704 BTC [+]
ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/0HCN3ZM << another good piece by him, de-pdfized
assbot: dpaste: 0HCN3ZM ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM4V12 )
shinohai: Someone has an inflated sense of entitlement.
trinque: pete_dushenski: where's the >1BTC bet feed?
trinque: doesn't make sense to me to add special logic for a single RSS feed
shinohai: Very apt comic ascii_field
trinque: they taught us the quadratic formula in middle school using a goddamn nursery song tune
trinque: "row your boat"
trinque: junior high I guess it was, 6th or 7th
trinque: in re: ascii_field's 0HCN3ZM
assbot: ericcart comments on ETH is dumping HARD, why? What's the bad news? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmAttG )
punkman: poloniex does margin now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.0007372 = 29.3406 BTC [+]
shinohai: Have been for a few months I think.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32981 @ 0.00074152 = 24.4561 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7419 @ 0.00074532 = 5.5295 BTC [+]
fluffypony: punkman
fluffypony: I uploaded photos
assbot: Malla - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMaNY7 )
fluffypony: that was what it looked like in June 2014
fluffypony: those were the ones I took on my phone, I have other pics (somewhere) I took with my camera
trinque: truly filthy laptop
trinque shudders
assbot: Russia to U.S.: talk to us on Syria or risk 'unintended incidents' | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1UMdAAG )
trinque: "They will train to repulse an attack from the air and to defend the coast, which means firing artillery and testing short-range air defense systems, " the source said, adding that the exercise had been agreed with the Syrian government. << might as well have said "against US airstrikes"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00073375 = 19.9947 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24029 @ 0.00073446 = 17.6483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16955 @ 0.00073754 = 12.505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00074531 = 9.2418 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00074624 = 30.0735 BTC [+] {6}
shinohai: Nice album fluffypony
mats: what a crowd
mats: graphic t shirts, bowties, hoodies, suits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00074868 = 9.0216 BTC [+]
shinohai: Where mats?
mats: fluffy's album
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82250 @ 0.00074868 = 61.5789 BTC [+]
shinohai: Oh xD
shinohai: I need a drink, what a stressful day.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell jurov last night i saw operetta version of 'r.u.r.' at czech embassy. it was spiffy
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89282 @ 0.00073555 = 65.6714 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE i'm fine now! weren't you going to do a dc at some point ? :D
mircea_popescu trolls ascii_field more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00074868 = 22.1235 BTC [+]
ascii_field: l0lwat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31422 @ 0.00073726 = 23.1662 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so listen ascii_field is it true sexpr were mostly copied from regexp ?
ascii_field: in 1958 ???
mircea_popescu: s/g/s/ and re-arrange the letters a little
ascii_field: reminds me of my brother's Unified Theory of Linguistics
ascii_field: unfortunately doesn't work in english, but i'll try:
ascii_field: -ийский family - английский (english), индийский - hindi, etc
ascii_field: -инский family - финский (finnish), латинский (latin)
ascii_field: it wurkx!!1111
ascii_field: classifies!
mircea_popescu: hey, it actually does, in russian.
assbot: Borges' Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WGMk )
mircea_popescu: i suspect the deep driver there is "idiots" vs "enemies"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6WM6C )
mircea_popescu: god damned it.
mircea_popescu: you know alfie, back when i was writing for romanians in romanian it was easy
ascii_field: hows that
mircea_popescu: but now i write in english and people who know russian read and wtf amd i gonna do.
mircea_popescu: I WANT MY PRIVATE JOKES BACK
ascii_field: learn cn, might take us a little while to catch up
mircea_popescu: write your lisp in java, might take a while to run!
ascii_field: i know strictly enough of it to not crash an elevator
mircea_popescu: and the next day after i start making obscure chinese statements on trilema you run off from home to live in xiang-fuck or some shit
mircea_popescu has little faith in the length of that "little while".
ascii_field: hey, 'better for the buses, closer to the shops' or how'd it go
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270469 << this supposition is both correct and a good reason to not use gold as a monetary item.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:52:21; asciilifeform: this is rather like supposing that all gold on planet will one day be split into individual atoms on account of its scarcity, no ?
mircea_popescu: i refer you to your classical history studies. why do you suppose the atom count of gold per monetary item kept decreasing ?
mircea_popescu: emperors wanted to steal, right ?
mircea_popescu: why did they want this ?
ascii_field: easier than not ?
mircea_popescu: if money were still linked to gold, seeing how there's not that much gold around, you'd be dealing in sub-miligram units.
mircea_popescu: gold as coinage works fine for small populations.
mircea_popescu: once the empire grows, the size of the coin has to diminish
mircea_popescu: the choice is to either make it microscopic or dilute it with base metal
mircea_popescu: pure ux.
ascii_field: why not introduce copper coins for schmucks, keep proper gold coins for serious biznis
mircea_popescu: because that introduces a border and borders must be policed which costs EVEN MORE money
ascii_field: the dilution is not inevitable, it is pure pickpocketry
mircea_popescu: the dilution is in fact inevitable.
ascii_field: newton policed just fine
mircea_popescu: if your mint needs a newton to run it, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: go design some more phd assemblylines!
ascii_field: (beautifully fictionalized but afaik pretty accurate depiction of 'trial of the pyx' in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' - recommended)
ascii_field: !s pyx
assbot: 6 results for 'pyx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pyx
ben_vulpes: rather nifty books
mircea_popescu: anyway : yes as adoption grows (the real kind, not verbal), the average size of the unspent will decrease.
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with wealth (in fact it decreases more in wealthy systems than in poorer ones)
ascii_field: overall this is a kind of inevitable entropic heat death and applies to everything.
ascii_field: e.g., go and get the indium back out of the junkyard, for new lcd glass
ascii_field: all 0.1 mg or however much of it, per.
mircea_popescu: but unlike indium, which is a real object,
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is an ideal object
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00073728 = 27.4637 BTC [+] {3}
trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
ascii_field: wtf why
trinque: email is hell
trinque: that's why
trinque: I have no interest in continuing this postfix hobby
BingoBoingo: Everything sucks
ascii_field: how does using random spam mailatron help
mircea_popescu: darkmail or w/e hasn't gone down./
mircea_popescu: so use that :D
ascii_field: hushmail
trinque: because it's their problem to keep up, and the idea that any email is beyond prying eyes is long since passed
trinque: want to send a real message, send it through a better tube
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270476 << yeah, i'm sure it's so much better with men.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:56:45; asciilifeform: then again jurov is fortunate in not being personally concerned with this matter, just as eagle does not concern himself with muddy roads...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270480 << for the record i know actual us women, in their 60s, in the same situation. the usg itself doesn't, but that'd be more of the http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-10/bullying-allegations-against-monash-senior-surgeon-upheld/6766046 same.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:57:52; asciilifeform: ^ aha this was sop
assbot: Bullying allegations against Monash Medical Centre senior surgeon upheld - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXsa3g )
mircea_popescu: and holy fuck am i indignant over that shit.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270211 << there was gold, foreign currencies, no ?
mircea_popescu: rilke dealt in funeral stones as stores of value lol
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 13:59:43; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270214 << easily, if the adult is a demented bugger goading the idiots on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
mircea_popescu: chumpatronics is its own science, with its own measures scl, you can't just replace them for gonzo values
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270504 << it was perhaps peek stupidty in moscow libertard circles.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:20:34; phf: i was in moscow few weeks after iphone 5 release and saw status games golden youth would play with it, polished girls coyly extracting iphones to pretense that bought it in new york just last week, iphones on tables at expensive cafes, etc. i've seen more iphones over a weekend out then in moscow then i've ever in the states. nothing like that was happening after 6 came out, of course it's my impressions, but i
mircea_popescu: meanwhile putin reigned it in.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was before ukraine.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:45:37; pete_dushenski: for contractors, certainly.
mircea_popescu: hm, fuck the other ones i meant!
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 14:49:33; pete_dushenski: "Jews who were citizens of Germany’s allies lived or died according to certain general rules. Jews who maintained their prewar citizenship usually lived, and those who did not usually died…Jews from territories that changed hands were usually murdered. Jews almost never survived if they remained on territories where the Soviet Union had been exercising power when German or Romanian forces arriv
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 03:58:42; mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cas
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 20:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu appears to have slept through the total obliteration of whatever 'premium' status ipNohe had. << it's in the price, see ?
mircea_popescu: it's in the price. they cost >1k or w/e
ascii_field: ~700 bux iirc
ascii_field: but what of it
mircea_popescu: that's what it is. all of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00074678 = 23.6729 BTC [+]
ascii_field: in usa, almost all iphonistas were getting the things via their telco already
mircea_popescu: in any consumer driven market, the price is the only signal of everything. and you do not give as much as a faint whiff of selling the 1k item for ~20 bux. not ever.
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter how they get it.
mircea_popescu: gotta support the standard.
ascii_field: most iphonists don't even know what the thing costs to buy fair & square
ascii_field: last year or this year
ascii_field: ~nobody actually pays the 700
mircea_popescu: heh. your argument basically is "post-consumerism" ?
ascii_field: folks pay a few hundy and telco covers the rest in exchange for binding contract for n years
mircea_popescu: "as long as the state agrees it's 700, doesn't jack shit matter what they do"
ascii_field: (this is forbidden in eu, iirc, usa-only trick)
shinohai: Which would you rather have, $700 or a device that you charge $50 for and people keep inserting coins in to use?
mircea_popescu: the inserting is predicated on the 700.
mircea_popescu: lose one you lose both.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, not like anyone doubted cook was gonna sink apple.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1270754 <<< i use fastmail and today was the first time i've ever had an issue, reliable until now
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 20:38:49; *: trinque signs up for fastmail... fastmail goes down :''( fastmailstatus.com
ascii_field: the thing about apple is that it can live for a very, very long time even with all internal organs removed
ascii_field: because there is no (from the perspective of the aficionados) remotely credible alternative.
ascii_field: it is like microshit in the mid-90s
trinque: cazalla: yep, back up now; as long as they are that responsive I'm pleased
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 16:40:13; shinohai: I never knew this goldmine existed: http://biddaters.com/auction-list/
assbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7t1lw )
mircea_popescu: generally that whole article applies greatly.
mircea_popescu: spiral of defeat. a) woman goes out, meets a buncha schmucks ; b) woman starts charging ~100 per dinner date, ensuring that... she will now ONLY meet the schmucks.
ascii_field: and only the most desperately repulsive subset, even
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's more like ibm. "great american industree - does nothing really"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno, women i know hate the inept cocksure ones more than the neurotic pay-for-it ones
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for so long as you think this, you will catastrophically misunderstand why apple remains a thing
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
ascii_field: it actually does something. it is useful to understand ~what~.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes can prolly explain much better than i can
mircea_popescu: your argument strikes me of the same exceptionalism "medicine" of 1700 employed. or "religion" of 1800.
mircea_popescu: it does "something" and for as long etc, i'll fail to understand why it remains a thing.
mircea_popescu: not so, notrly.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 17:28:23; ascii_field: 'Please inform Mr. Toom about the grading system and instruction methods of THIS country.:.. I earned a grade of A in my college algebra and trigonometry courses so it makes no sense for me to be doing so poorly in this course. Please straighten this man out.'
ascii_field: they sell microshit-free machines usable by civilian
mircea_popescu: derplet's got these feelings almost like he's a thing, "i am a tractor, it makes no sense i can't pull odwn this wall, please explain mechanics to it!"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nobody cares.
ascii_field: the billion lusers who buy the thing, apparently care
ascii_field: hell, some perfectly literate folks, ben_vulpes, trinque, et al, care.
shinohai: ^_____________^
mircea_popescu: "someone pointed out to mp what that shit's been doing while nobody was looking"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the "apparently care" you propose has a name.
shinohai: I am also pleased to see that dogecoin seems to be declining. That scam sure had some steam.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony is that floor linoleum ? http://i.imgur.com/WREwgEd.jpg
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple
mircea_popescu: nobody even knows the quals anymore, is it ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: tiled, iirc
ascii_field: l0l square toilet
ascii_field: a bit like in ba
ascii_field searched, in vain, for people on the street with square arses
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut ?! bathroom was the size of that room o.O
ascii_field: yes it was.
ascii_field: speaking of the toilet per se, strictly
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8ZHmhKt.jpg <<< hey check out the respectable dulap!
ascii_field: the actual shitcatcher.
ascii_field: schlllllt.
mircea_popescu: ftr, the estonians got really great at "fake ancient furniture".
mircea_popescu: they did a good job actually copying the principles not merelyt the objects, turn out perfectly passible items now.
mircea_popescu: beat the shit of the romanians, who tried same but failed utterly.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/TldSNQ4.jpg << thisd thing'd have made such a great bdsm dungeon
mircea_popescu: really its only use./
ascii_field: l0l what kinda gulag is that
shinohai uncovers a plot where the USG kidnaps asciilifeform and force him to rewrite bitcoin in this: https://github.com/ErisBlastar/cplusequality
assbot: ErisBlastar/cplusequality · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7uRmz )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: maybe(p.gender==male && p.orentation==het_cis_scum) {
ascii_field: yell('RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!!!');
ascii_field: crush(p); //Use the function crush in Dworkin.Xir to discard the oppressor
ascii_field: ENDMISOGYNY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3961 @ 0.00074386 = 2.9464 BTC [-]
assbot: МВД России ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nncsmm )
shinohai: Ministry of Internal Affairs? LOL
mod6: wth haha
ascii_field: shinohai: gendarmerie.
trinque: obviously pussy riot is resisting through culture with this domain
ascii_field: (sorta like what they would like to make in usa, instead of all the disjoint local police forces)
shinohai: I got called an idiot for not calling the cops when my house got broken into yesterday.
shinohai: Kinda pointless imo
ascii_field: shinohai: some insurance companies will not officially recognize the fact of theft, vandalism, etc. without a police case #
ascii_field: phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself
shinohai: All they got was a cruddy old laptop worth abt $200, wasn't insured.
ascii_field: (think about it. how would it work.)
pete_dushenski: from a meatwoter : "Also on a completely unrelated note, TD now prevents me from visiting contravex at work."
pete_dushenski: for those unawares, TD Canada Trust is one of the 'big 5' banks in canada
shinohai: Items in my safe are insured, but that was too much trouble for what I am guessing was methheads.
pete_dushenski: bank of nova scotia (scotiabank), canadian imperial bank of commerce (cibc), bank of montreal (bmo), and royal bank of canada (rbc) round it out
pete_dushenski: td = toronto dominion
mircea_popescu: how exactly did the russky govt manage to steal a .org ?
ascii_field: steal lol
ascii_field: it's the world's spiffiest tr0l0l0l
ascii_field: iirc never pointed anywhere else
mircea_popescu: i thought it was the derpy blondies or something.
ascii_field: quite reminiscent of 'intercal' btw
mircea_popescu: didn't know they could code.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell kakobrekla please to point trinque to >1btc bitbet rss feed (if it exists)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: 5:1, that bad ? hm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28572 @ 0.00073999 = 21.143 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> phun phakt: most american 'home insurance' co. will specifically ~not~ insure any item you built yourself << of course they will.
ascii_field: for its poundage in scrap - yes
mircea_popescu: they won't do custom jobs for items worth less than maybe 100k or so, but then again fuck you, nobody is going to insure your chewwed gum
ascii_field: ^^ this, yes
mircea_popescu: nah, artwork is routinely insured.
ascii_field: not talking about rembrandt.
ascii_field: not a problem i have
mircea_popescu: i know bunches of late 20s earlky 30yos with insurance for the shiot they make
mircea_popescu: not their fault you persist in living in a counbtry whichg has decided "coding will work like art works!!1"
mircea_popescu: "It’s easier than you think to attract this offensive, sexist label – all you have to do is dare speak out against gender inequality"
mircea_popescu: oh ffs, who the fuck is laura bates.
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shinohai: ^Guarantee they will go bankrupt trying to find enuf cloth to fit all the fat-ass feminists.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: like walmart goes bankrupt ? mkay.
shinohai: That's a lot of cloth, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: ha not like it's silk
pete_dushenski: tumlrinas also need a lot of 'food', doesn't seem to be an issue
assbot: No, dropping lowest-priority tx (in the event of a spam attack) is not better than dropping random transactions - in fact, it's a lot worse. Peter Todd is full of shit on this one. Here's why. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7Af95 )
trinque shoves the barge that once was a mailserver seaward, fires a flaming arrow, salutes
mod6: heheh
pete_dushenski: follow-up from meatwoter at td : trilema.com works
pete_dushenski: WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE SUCH OPPRESSION ?!
shinohai adds pete_dushenski to the sponsors of terrorism list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0007416 = 3.8563 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: me and youtube, gmail, and facefraud. oh the company i keep.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00073726 = 33.6928 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.0007418 = 25.3325 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok0v1F )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41496 @ 0.00074245 = 30.8087 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00074093 = 22.5984 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26793 @ 0.00073805 = 19.7746 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36463 @ 0.00074386 = 27.1234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00073805 = 3.4688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30925 @ 0.00073741 = 22.8044 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00074209 = 12.1703 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37543 @ 0.00074758 = 28.0664 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00074209 = 16.5486 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25405 @ 0.00073722 = 18.7291 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00073264 = 10.3669 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00074432 = 11.3881 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00074916 = 17.6053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00074959 = 25.1487 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073264 = 8.2056 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0007323 = 22.3718 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00075006 = 56.592 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00075122 = 67.0839 BTC [+] {6}
pete_dushenski: @realDonaldTrump: "I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th."
asciilifeform l0lz re: the only #b-a fella who gives a flying fuck re: u.s. election being a canadian
pete_dushenski: hehe 'impartial observer'
pete_dushenski: no 'skin in the game'
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pete_dushenski: ^ what a cool million buys in the used car market these days.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy article btw
pete_dushenski: "There is widespread belief that violence in poorly governed countries is triggered by international demand for their natural resources. We study the consequences of U.S. legislation grounded in this belief, the “conflict minerals” section of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act. Targeting the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, it cuts funding to warlords by discouraging manufacturers from sourcing tin, tungsten,
pete_dushenski: and tantalum from the region."
pete_dushenski: "Using geo-referenced data, we find the legislation increased looting of civilians, and shifted militia battles towards unregulated gold mining territories. These findings are a cautionary tale about the possible unintended consequences of boycotting natural resources from war-torn regions, and the use of international resource governance interventions."
pete_dushenski: bwahaha "possible unintended consequences." only POSSIBLE !!1
pete_dushenski: "The evidence suggests the legislation significantly increased the incidence of looting and the incidence of violence against civilians by at least 291 and 143 percent respectively."
pete_dushenski: granting that epidemiology is hard to follow (obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/), the 'let's blockchain the proud nation of africa'-ists can stuff this in their pipes and smoke it.
assbot: Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp36SQ )
pete_dushenski: page not found eh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40221 @ 0.00074195 = 29.842 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret."
pete_dushenski: trying to make sense of this. seems like good qntra material.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00074011 = 20.6491 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 460177092.439
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: niche thing.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the overall moral of the story is more interesting - expect a generalized 'spymania' in usa; accusations of 'wrecking' will become a regular thing.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:04:14; mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster"
pete_dushenski: "using too much concrete and trying to bankrupt the great state" vs. "using too little concrete and jeopardising the security of the great state"
pete_dushenski: ok ima write this up for qntra then
assbot: Government Drops Charges Against Chinese-Born Temple Prof | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oktcvo )
assbot: Temple Physics Chair Charged With Passing Tech to China | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okti6i )
asciilifeform: oh and,
asciilifeform: ianal, but breach of nda is a civil matter in usa.
pete_dushenski: makes sense
asciilifeform: i can see how they might have tried to nail him for misappropriation of pentagon money
asciilifeform: but that is not what he was accused of
asciilifeform: the indictment is for fraud
asciilifeform: note the attached 'civil forfeiture' action on last page.
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