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mircea_popescu: the value proposition of ashley madison reads something likle "you too can be ALMOST like one of those dudes that cheats on his wife. except, you won't ever get caught, because... you're not ACTUALLY doing it"
mircea_popescu: which is why the breach is particularly ruinous to them. as seinfeld said, "that's why divorce is so traumatic : you've been impeached, and i wasn't even the president!"
mircea_popescu: there might have been some hookers working the cream off the top, those 1-2% oif males that finally got the nerve together to actually GASP!~1 meet someone after 10 or so years of derping around on the site.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, given the stolid stupidity of those chicks on camwhores.com or w/e offered bitcoin.... safer bet is "no".
BingoBoingo: Ashley Madison at some point took in serious fiat though. They had prominent TV ads which means either VC suckers or customer suckers
mircea_popescu: vc suckers.
BingoBoingo: Could be both, seems they hooked Tony Blair
mircea_popescu: males are notoriously stupid.
mircea_popescu: the only reason there isn't a cock eating rock somewhere is pure chance. otherwise, if it offered a hole, it'd eat well enough.
BingoBoingo: Of course. I mean Mr. Tusk fucked the shit out of that penguin.
BingoBoingo: re:walrus can not reccoment Kevin SMith's 'Tusk' enough, because... [spoiler redacted]
BingoBoingo: Yes plenty of CanadiaMerican retardation, but... actually the five line synopis and punchline may be enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00069422 = 17.8415 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Premise it totally improved though by seeing bad thing happen to actor who was the face of OS X for so long
mircea_popescu: "Established Men, a website dedicated to pairing up beautiful young women with successful older men." << - >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/
assbot: The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb )
mircea_popescu: good idea, too bad they failed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im half-amused that the "mainstream media" fails to connect the fetlife story to the ashley madison story.
mircea_popescu: what exactly does "investigative" mean anymore ?
mircea_popescu: buncha derps couldn't find their way out of a nonexistent paper bag, yet wish to have a "profession" and get "salaries". why "? for what ?
mircea_popescu: "they need it!!1"
asciilifeform: as if it weren't obvious what it means
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: im sure it pays the bills.
asciilifeform: that 'unhappen' button, it never seems to wear out.
asciilifeform: always a nice, satisfying -click-zap-
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98841 @ 0.00070506 = 69.6888 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: l0l, hearnia ssl is back!
assbot: Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkbXbv )
asciilifeform: hardcoded certs, even.
mircea_popescu: the lolcow that just keeps giving
asciilifeform: whole shebang worth reading, for the patient
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30351 @ 0.000706 = 21.4278 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: or qntraists
assbot: Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc0Ea )
asciilifeform: 'Future... ...Design a protocol to let user wallets gain priority by proving ownership of coin age, as they tend to have short lived connections and roam around different IPs, but we still want to serve them ahead of long term idling connections.' << lulzy. hearn would have all nodes run hotwallet to 'prove coin age'
asciilifeform: translated for humans, means 'if you wanna talk, prove you're a leaf node running hearnia. and don't pretend to be infrastructural node, we know who they are already and i don't recall selling you a license'
asciilifeform: 'CIPGroupData... A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks.' << that would be, presumably, us.
asciilifeform: 'Calculate the priority of the new IP to see if we should drop it immediately (normal) or kick one of the other peers out to make room for it.' -- are you a plebe, or a loyal servant of the crown
mircea_popescu: "priority" by proving ownership
mircea_popescu: as foretold by alf a year or so ago,
asciilifeform: my arse foretells!
mircea_popescu: back when hearn wasn't even a shitstain on his owner's pants yet.
mircea_popescu: pretty funny to see just what communitard understood of bitcoin lol.
asciilifeform: for fuxxsake
mircea_popescu: ahahahah
asciilifeform: and, gentlemen, get yer barf buckets,
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all the "bitcoin fork" derpage. this really is solidcoin v2.0
asciilifeform: if (cert == NULL) {
asciilifeform: + // This should never happen.
asciilifeform: + LogPrintf("ipgroups: Could not parse hard-coded cert\n");
asciilifeform: + BIO_free(bio);
asciilifeform: + return CURLE_OK; // Proceed anyway.
mircea_popescu: same haphazard style.
mircea_popescu: you're prolly not old enough for it, but if yo uare THAT patient, asciilifeform dig up the old solidcoin stuff. it was a goldmine.
asciilifeform: actually iirc i did dig it out
asciilifeform: at mircea_popescu's instigation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about.
asciilifeform: and yes, quite reminiscent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same, oh, it's broken ? no problem pinoy fix!
mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to his pretense, the man can't actually code / has never actually written anything / etc)
asciilifeform: no reason he couldn't use the conventional gs-9 through 12 or whatnot monkey fleet
mircea_popescu: yes reason.
mircea_popescu: you ever been in a bureaucracy ?
mircea_popescu: "fuck you get lost"
mircea_popescu: "but i have deadlines!!!"
mircea_popescu: "fuck your mother too."
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, would guess that they farm it out filipino-style - but internally
asciilifeform: this produces the characteristic schizo flavour
asciilifeform: of the code.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be the first time us agent had to provide his own combat boots.
asciilifeform: the question of which monkey in the forest produced a particular stool sample, is perhaps interesting to ~someone~
mircea_popescu: i thought you were on an entomological kick.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245138 << i dare say that this or similar scenario is unlikely. the 'rent-a-slave' outfits are largely helpless when asked for anything other than wwwtronic proggy
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 04:32:13; mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.
mircea_popescu: your snipped above looks wwwtronic enough.
asciilifeform: even elementary cpp appears to be far beyond the abilities of the subscribers.
asciilifeform: but i could be wrong about this.
mircea_popescu: "CURLE_OK" in particular is an abomination upon nomenclature.
asciilifeform: i can offer no logical explanation for ^
mircea_popescu: anyway, another batch of tests returns. the chain as currently seen longest, 370657 tall does in fact verify throughout in all presentations.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate ?
mircea_popescu: i've been burning at it for > month by now, but the ~7 different spots that at times seemed dubious carry no significance or import.,
asciilifeform: (what means 'all presentations' ? what bitcoinatron(s) used ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you recall how we had a number of locks and dubious forks etc since june ?
mircea_popescu: all of mine + all of yours.
asciilifeform: consider a post to the ml, even
mircea_popescu: i am, but i don't wish to say exactly what i tested ;/
asciilifeform: (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a)
mircea_popescu: my life sucks.
asciilifeform sometimes finds himself wondering how much mircea_popescu's apparatus actually differs from therealbitcoin
mircea_popescu: numerously but not significantly. atm i actually regard it more like a legacy disused tool, sort of a reference put aside anyway.
asciilifeform: lulzy, this is how herr handle described nsa 'suite a' ciphers
mircea_popescu: that being teh scant joy in otherwise generously daily distress.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006972 = 4.3575 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu (or anyone else) run a full sync with -verifyall ?
asciilifeform: (on therealbitcoin, naturally)
mircea_popescu: not full, only from my checkpoints.
asciilifeform: because afaik no one has yet done this.
assbot: dpaste: 1MPBA2K ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUF9fU )
mircea_popescu: hand-spam. because apparently teppy and whoever else are actually worth this now.
asciilifeform: and l0l, in usd no less
mircea_popescu: premium 25 bux.
mircea_popescu: i take it back, my life doens't suck.
mircea_popescu: in other news,
mircea_popescu: Archimedes P Sapitula 270 Summit Ave Jersey City, NJ 07306. Age 42 (Born Jun 1973) (201) 433-1410. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 572584016.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150819/genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << seeing 'chicken' all in one file sorta reminds me that the thing is finite and pretty small, and can be grasped. almost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00069375 = 6.268 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14627 @ 0.000706 = 10.3267 BTC [+]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.
tripleslash: Why the need for full sync --verifyall? What'd I miss?
mircea_popescu: paranoia.
mircea_popescu: !up coldbleed
mircea_popescu: !up Birdman
hanbot: no luck for me v genesis (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html); genesis.sh produces empty vpatch: http://dpaste.com/2KD5AB5
assbot: dpaste: 2KD5AB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1C0Y )
Birdman: Hello, im getting the OTP when i ask for voice, but im not sure what to do past that
mircea_popescu: put it in gpg
Birdman: I try to open it, but it says it cant find a program to open with
mircea_popescu: hanbot do you have the whole set of antecedents ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00069373 = 13.5277 BTC [-]
hanbot: yeah, but in a different dir, heh. moving, rerunning.
Birdman: Coldbleed is someone i had been talking to about the WoT and -assets so i directed him here
punkman: mircea_popescu: curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 | gpg << I wonder if this can blow up in a spectacular way
mircea_popescu: the possibility seems remote.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00069201 = 20.4489 BTC [-]
mod6: hanbot: the basic issue is that this line in asciilifeform's script: vdiff a b > genesis.vpatch
mod6: doesn't match up with the file that comes from the email:
mod6: vdiff_42f0e9ea2da5aefd21d4dace0bcb6bf5dddaad40.sh
punkman: nor does it match genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch
mod6: so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"
punkman: (oh wait, disregard my statement)
mod6: <+mod6> alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt << take a look here for reference
mod6: wondering if you end up with the same ubuntu error I get here: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
mod6: ... then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << bah. should read: "./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"
punkman: "I wonder what happens when there's a giant flaming mushroom cloud in your neighborhood and no one publishes a word" https://medium.com/@cmphku/chinese-media-and-the-tianjin-disaster-3bd98a6fac44
assbot: Chinese Media and the Tianjin Disaster — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3tmc )
punkman: "No, we were not hacked. 'Deez Nuts' is the legal name of the candidate and he is polling at 9 percent in NC: http://abc11.com/947054/ "
assbot: Page Not Found | abc11.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjJ6zD )
punkman: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00069429 = 22.2867 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Cities 101: The Mythic Undercover Yellow Taxi Cab NYPD Cop Car | Untapped Cities ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4jzp )
assbot: Bomb scares end SIM registration holiday | Bangkok Post: business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4r1O )
punkman: you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.000706 = 9.6369 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00067999 = 43.3154 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00067991 = 15.2511 BTC [-]
hanbot: <mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00067991 = 33.0436 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39325 @ 0.00070381 = 27.6773 BTC [+] {4}
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK
assbot: dpaste: 1675NTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1MF0VAc )
mircea_popescu: bwhahaha.
mircea_popescu: hanbot when do you figure that can be published ?
hanbot: "two weeks"(tm)?
mircea_popescu: actually, let's just do a summary an' leave it at that. ex-wife of ex-respectable bitcointards community member pm's MPOE-PR on forum about how she's been exactly right about X, he stole buncha cash from her, "you got it spot on except for X minor detail" sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Dear customer, We are sorry, Your PayPal account has been limited until we here from you"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598 << LOL. If you had a Bitcoin for every time someone eventually told you "You were right"...wait...
mircea_popescu: can always use more bitcoinz.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the new log color thing totally hoses my browser.
mircea_popescu: so now i can't fucking use the log anymore. can i has revert ?
punkman: lol how
punkman: already using racist browser?
mircea_popescu: i has nfi but it hoses even if i purge js
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must badly implement dom-something or the other.
punkman: I don't run js on log and it works fine
mircea_popescu: good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/
punkman: I just can't see the extra "style="background:#f9f9ec " hosing anything, but who knows
punkman: hmm if you turn color off there are some stray quotes: <p class="chatrows lightgray" ">
mircea_popescu: i don't have the color on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00070774 = 28.5573 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email. I closed my eyes and pretended this wasn’t happening. What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?"
punkman: "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31432 @ 0.00070901 = 22.2856 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
punkman: "You'll have to do s/\n|GPG|/\n/ to recover the vpatch." << why not gpg -d?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43066 @ 0.00070998 = 30.576 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.
mircea_popescu: would it be so hard to have Hash: SHA512 Chars:593 ?
mircea_popescu: then it knows it needs to stop after 593 characters rather than look for dashes like a drunk mole.
punkman: the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00069321 = 2.9115 BTC [-]
punkman: here's a diff comparing my genesis.vpatch, which I clearsigned then run through "gpg -d", to decoded_genesis.vpatch http://dpaste.com/1BC72A9
assbot: dpaste: 1BC72A9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxeECW )
punkman: and this is a diff comparing asciilifeform's genesis.vpatch to mine: http://dpaste.com/370ZT8P
assbot: dpaste: 370ZT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxfcsH )
punkman: to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45321 @ 0.0007128 = 32.3048 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5112 @ 0.00071329 = 3.6463 BTC [+]
punkman: (exercise for students: clearsign a piece of text. append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text. check if it's still valid. repeat process with detached signature, see what happens)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00069307 = 12.2327 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00071329 = 10.5567 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00069284 = 2.664 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: o hey, we have a second derp block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146655 @ 0.00068249 = 100.0906 BTC [-]
jurov: <stick`> slushpool runs both Core and XT
jurov: <stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244822 <<< they already took all the minerals, what more do they want ?!
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.
cazalla: tbh, chinese are not quite finished down under.. they want to destroy primo agricultural land with the .au gov blessing because hey, natives can always order in chinese food instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenhua_Watermark_coal_mine
assbot: Shenhua Watermark coal mine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmtsKs )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85800 @ 0.00069496 = 59.6276 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00067991 = 7.445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32777 @ 0.00067986 = 22.2838 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: ;;later tell davout rly, need help with teh bot?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021525 B (Total: 427.66 B). Delta: 0.11 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
jurov: !t m s.nsa
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
jurov: !t m s.mpoe`
assbot: These beans is shit.
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067583 / 0.0006979 / 0.0007397 (2677308 shares, 1,868.51 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070008 / 0.0007991 (14116527 shares, 9,882.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057924 / 0.0007991 (83031265 shares, 48,095.84 BTC)
assbot: Young Australians increasingly jobless, unmarried and living at home | Australia news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxreSD )
assbot: your dad 2 ten things millenials can do with college degrees - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxrfGl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00068019 = 24.5208 BTC [+]
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 09:12:31; punkman: to put it more clearly: If you care about line-endings and whitespace, you can't really clearsign things.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245281 << there's PGP/MIME (RFC2015, RFC3156) that allows to add such headers easily
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:47:37; mircea_popescu: incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.
jurov: but it's hopelessly complicated and no afaik one even tried do send PGP/MIME message to mailing list
jurov: except me to test it, then I threw my hands in disgust when i could not easily troubleshoot why it fails to verify
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13225 @ 0.00068019 = 8.9955 BTC [+]
jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent
chetty: its a big world jurov, many time zones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00068019 = 43.7702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11275 @ 0.00068019 = 7.6691 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0007104 = 15.7354 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: "interstall communication" hahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00068451 = 33.8832 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7536 @ 0.00071219 = 5.3671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26364 @ 0.00071337 = 18.8073 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Nazi gold train 'found in Poland' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzEA5p )
asciilifeform: jurov: fwiw, i'm awake
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:11:47; mircea_popescu: good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can has old log? plz ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:21:01; assbot: I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245244 << well yes, i wrote that 'it must be in your path' - which presumes that you chmod-ed it to +x, or why would you have put it in your path!
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:38:34; hanbot: <mod6> so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!
kakobrekla noticed logs loading slow since a week or so ago, but i havent changed a thing to cause that
kakobrekla: so wtf
punkman: kakobrekla: broken html
asciilifeform: not only ~loading~ slowly
asciilifeform: even clicking a link, in a number of browsers, is ultra-grindy
punkman: doesn't seem slower in my firefox though
kakobrekla: will take a look
punkman: stray quotes where you add the color style
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc, yes, 'megablox in 2016 or bust'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245195 << neato! this is worth writing up as ml post, imho
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 05:05:47; mod6: <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.
kakobrekla: punkman> stray quotes where you add the color style < fixed but still slow neh ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245238 << this is considerably more difficult than in most of the world. afaik you're stuck with industrial suppliers (who cater to electric meter firms, and similar)
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 06:05:07; punkman: you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?
asciilifeform: ... or cannibalism. (where? e.g., 'amazon kindle' device includes a 3g modem, with 'eternal' subscription, which can theoretically be removed and uncrippled)
punkman: no such things here, you have to present ID. but not like it's hard to send a hobo to buy a few SIMs.
asciilifeform: wire your t3rr0r1st4 thermonuke to a RTL-SDR listening on a silent and unused frequency, which you then transmit the codez on. 'n0body could have predicted!1111!!!!111'
punkman: or even buy from a different country and roam.
asciilifeform: punkman: possibly easier in eu (american sims tend to work nowhere else)
asciilifeform: phun phakt: RTL-SDR can be used to receive pager ('POCSAG') messages. naturally, any and all of them. if you only need to send one message, no need to actually buy a subscription...
asciilifeform: send the magic word to some poor schmuck
asciilifeform: while your nuke receives.
asciilifeform: (pocsag is 100% plaintext)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 08:23:38; punkman: "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00071456 = 19.7933 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245284 << yes. see the recent 'out of band' thread
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 09:02:17; punkman: the dash escaping GPG does works fine for me. the problem is clearsigning fucks with trailing spaces and whatnot
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 10:37:53; jurov: <stick`> miners themselves choose port to connect
asciilifeform: (i.e. was xt on 8333 ?)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245324 << ditto 'v.' i'm not ever writing anything that uses anything other than detached sigs in gpg.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 11:49:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245290 << and that's why btc-dev uses clearsigned text only for descriptions
asciilifeform: FUCK mutilations.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245340 << to quote stalin, 'they won't see this gold like they won't see their ears without a mirror.' even if (especially if) it is actually turned up.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:10:50; punkman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33994483
asciilifeform: it'll go straight to new york (or at least zurich.)
asciilifeform: or what, the schmucks thought that the reich is dead and the thing has no owner ?
asciilifeform: everything has an owner.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov can we have an end to the filename mutilations on turdatron, please ??!@!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html << FOR FUCKS SAKE which one of you is 'pub@extemporized' ?
assbot: [BTC-dev] signed genesis.vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7B7Xg )
asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?
asciilifeform: yes, three minutes later i can figure out that it was punkman
asciilifeform: but can archaeologists ?
asciilifeform: can we agree to use something like human names in pgp keys perhaps ?
asciilifeform: like i do, or mircea, or pretty much everyone ?
asciilifeform pissed that he spent ten minutes sawing apart what he thought was a diddled signature purporting to be from mod6
punkman: the key says punkman, I don't see the problem
asciilifeform: it doesn't.
asciilifeform: not as retrieved by gpg.
asciilifeform checks again
asciilifeform: punkman: your key does. but the SIGNATURE does not.
asciilifeform: it only gives me a key fingerprint
asciilifeform: which did not match mod6's (who i mistakenly thought was 'extemporized')
punkman: was the sig good at least? :P
asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Thu Aug 20 05:23:31 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 8B232B13
asciilifeform: gpg: Good signature from "punkman"
asciilifeform: gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
asciilifeform: gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
asciilifeform: Primary key fingerprint: F28E 0095 843B 91CB 22E7 D655 3358 8BE0 8B23 2B13
punkman: !up copypaste
thestringpuller: funny story.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu entomological sample, http://www.benzinga.com/news/15/08/5779058/bitcoin-flash-crashed-this-week << approximately a complete collection of ~everything but the actual truth~
assbot: Bitcoin Flash Crashed This Week | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7DAAQ )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
copypaste: This news is delayed. Get access to this information before it is priced into the market with a real-time news feed for only $1.
thestringpuller: At my first job, the devops team took an initiative to not copy paste, because people were copying root passwords into ssh logins. So they have this huge meeting about not copying pasting. And this one guy goes, "But there will always be copypaste"
asciilifeform: whole thing is a lul, worthy of nigerian sp4mz0rz, but apparently represents the official usg party line.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is reminiscient of the ICBIT MP exposed in 2012
thestringpuller: with smickles
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: aha, mircea_popescu linked to that very same, earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22218 @ 0.00069359 = 15.4102 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: "The Blockchain is may play a key role in the Music Industry. Revelator builds software that allows artists and record labels to manage, track and market their music all from one application. The company sees the blockchain as an opportunity to simplify music rights, which remain complicated and difficult to verify, with a new Intellectual Property (IP) management system that will allow artists to register their works on an imm
thestringpuller: ^^^ yes the block chain will solve music piracy!
thestringpuller: linked from asciilifeform 's article
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is a bottomless pit of those things
asciilifeform: but my dosimeter is maxed out for the day, i won't be eating up any moar
thestringpuller: do·sim·e·ter - noun - a device used to measure an absorbed dose of ionizing radiation.
thestringpuller: good choice of words asciilifeform
assbot: ​Ubuntu Linux is coming to IBM mainframes | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7GiXg )
asciilifeform: turns out mircea_popescu was right. let's all fly on the first systemd-avionics plane!
asciilifeform: also zdnet is a terrific pile of shit, which breaks not only back button on graphical browser, but the url bar
asciilifeform: and makes it damn near impossible to link to an individual piece
asciilifeform: is this by design?
asciilifeform: or by retardation
mike_c: "He also agreed to pay federal authorities another $50,000 so that they wouldn't seize vehicles he used as part of his illegal activities."
mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?
mike_c: do they ever *not* have their fucking hand out?
asciilifeform: not like they can't take every cent, and every nut and bolt of the car, if they feel like it
mike_c: It's just annoying, depending on how cynical you are.
mike_c: Ok, guy sleeps with child prostitutes, gets busted, goes to jail. Good. "Oh, by the way, give us $50k or we'll take your cars".
asciilifeform: fella must've slept through slave school. where they teach ya that usg owns your sorry skin and its entire contents, and can do whatever the fuck it wants to you whenever the fuck it feels like; and that there isn't a thing you can do about it, except to help terrorists, whom you will never meet except in their fbi 'o'brien' incarnation
asciilifeform: mike_c: one thing unclear to me: why does one need a car in jail ?
mike_c: he's only in for ~5 years
mike_c: i guess he'd rather keep them
mod6: hanbot: << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error! << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory.
thestringpuller: Andreas: All the fork drama is really overblown. Diversity is good and bitcoin is resilient. Consensus will converge on the correct answer. << Consensus is you are a zombie who refuses to die.
asciilifeform: recall yesterday's 'mit consensus scholarship!!!111'
thestringpuller: oh and this one!
asciilifeform: it's the new zombie control word
thestringpuller: "I think we should put users first. What do users want? They want low transaction fees and fast confirmations. Lets design for that case, because THE USERS are who ultimately give Bitcoin value." - Gavin << WHo is going to pay for these "low transactions"
asciilifeform: why not also say 'they want ferraris' ?
asciilifeform: because i'm pretty sure that they do.
asciilifeform: more, even, than 'cheap transactions'
asciilifeform: so YOU, yes YOU, pony up
asciilifeform: and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.
asciilifeform: i know 'cause i just asked a fly.
asciilifeform: they have consensus!
asciilifeform: and numbers.
asciilifeform: d3m0cr4cy!!!1
mod6: haha
mod6: asciilifeform: did you get it sorted out with whatever sig thing you were trying to saw through?
asciilifeform: mod6: aha
asciilifeform: see log.
mod6: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0006959 = 8.3856 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00069835 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245466 <-- lol. Which customer is more important, the one who gave you a penny a year ago or a regular who provides 10% of revenue?
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 14:36:04; asciilifeform: and the next time you sit in the sun, eating ice cream, remember that it is the flies that give ice cream its value.
funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
assbot: Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8AUaC )
punkman: funkenstein_: website's yours?
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: interesting never saw this before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52027 @ 0.000701 = 36.4709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17602 @ 0.00068865 = 12.1216 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.000701 = 20.6795 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00067827 = 43.6128 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: punkman, yes. stringpuller: earlier version posted while ago (in logs), copypaste was able to "double vote". Work in progress.
mike_c: It has an amazing lack of documentation/explanation :)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mike_c: indeed
mike_c: did I miss the FAQ link?
funkenstein_: yeah it needs instructions / documentation
funkenstein_: thank you
mod6: <+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:29:31; mod6: <+mod6> hanbot: ... << ahh ok thanks for the update. glad you didn't get the error. my ubuntu needs to go to glue factory. << actually, I did also try this on a different 10.04 VM and i did get the same error. bizzare.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << for extra lulz, see if you can trick folks into ending up signing a transaction
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
ascii_field: phriendz don't let phriendz sign random strange
ascii_field: esp. not with btc privkeys
danielpbarron: i put gentoo on an HP XW9400 Workstation, and also got Eulora running on it, although I can't test out walking around in the world yet
danielpbarron: not sure if installing xfce was necessary to get Eulora running; might have only needed some media libraries
chetty: sounds cool hope you have chance to try it soon danielpbarron
danielpbarron: the cs walktest worked so I think it'll be no problem
assbot: Sovereign Citizens Are A Larger Threat To The US Than Jihadists ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVqvSJ )
ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> **omitted** http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt << so much like MP says here; my diff http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt seems to just have the following out of order: b/bitcoin/COPYING, b/bitcoin/src/json/LICENSE.txt,...
mod6: b/bitcoin/src/json/json_spirit.h, b/bitcoin/src/test/base58_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/base64_tests.cpp, b/bitcoin/src/test/README out of order. but the hashes seem to match.
mod6: anyway, will keep looking at it for a while here.
ascii_field: mod6: just grep the diff for '+++' and compare the hashes with sha512sum of directory (your local manifest)
ascii_field: no need to do this with bare hands.
ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
ascii_field: srsly, different sort order on different versions of 'diff' ?
trinque: the people wanted change, ascii_field
ascii_field: beoble
ascii_field: 'Once there was The People--it shall never be again!' (tm) (r) (kipling)
mod6: i guess it's possible. for that one I used this version:
mod6: mod6@localhost ~/genesis $ diff --version
mod6: diff (GNU diffutils) 3.3
mod6: Packaged by Gentoo (3.3)
ascii_field: mod6: seems like i have same ?
ascii_field: or claimed, at any rate
mod6: hmm. its possible that I have done something incorrect on my side.
mod6: that's why im a bit hesitant yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00068277 = 14.2358 BTC [+]
ascii_field: another possibility is some odd misbehaviour re: timestamps
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.63, Best ask: 233.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 233.05, 24 hour volume: 36670.90620652, 24 hour low: 221.11, 24 hour high: 237.94, 24 hour vwap: None
mod6: ascii_field: yea, i'll dig into it more tonight and tomorrow, etc. until i get it solved. thx!
mats: ;;ticker --market all
ascii_field: mod6: didja ever post your complete diff ?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.72, vol: 20401.85308198 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.51, vol: 10339.03617 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 232.54, vol: 36670.90620652 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 14.54786465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 232.88452, vol: 28330.07090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.05954, vol: 552.72746559 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 238.7111646, vol: 192.91907085 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mod6: no, i can though.
ascii_field: would be helpful in solving the puzzle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00068864 = 41.525 BTC [+] {2}
mats: !up ascii_field
punkman: ascii_field: do you have an outline/spec for v? I could give you a hand with that
mod6: i'll compare my raw patch above with MP's posted one above side-by-side here when i get a chance.
ascii_field: punkman: it's in a half-done state. doesn't really need docs, very much self-explaining
punkman: ascii_field: no I mean doing that other half
ascii_field: patience good man
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244997 << my new computer came with an nVidia card which concerned me at first because OpenBSD doesn't get along with that (and confirmed myself, graphics were slow and choppy) but it turns out to work well for getting Eulora to work with gentoo
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:25:34; *: BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00069503 = 13.8311 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mod6: i viewed the diffs in 'meld', came to same conclusion as you: 1) timestamps 2) ordering of files
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11742 @ 0.00069503 = 8.161 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: When NVida "works" on opensource it is largely due to binary black boxes like 'cg'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00069531 = 7.9961 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ascii_field: thanks for taking a look!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00067546 = 27.3561 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: kakobrekla: these assbot bitly links don't seem to work anymore
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.0006751 = 7.6624 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 370743 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 200 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 52 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mike_c: ""phf [R.07] created two patches [R.08] for `stator' to build and run on OpenBSD. This is very exciting, we've been looking forward to supporting this platform for some time now." << is the the royal "we"? :)
mike_c: we = mod6 + mod6
trinque: mike_c: there are two gentlemen running the foundation
mike_c: indeed there are, but methinks only one was actually excited about supporting openbsd
trinque: haha, perhaps
mike_c: i can not *wait* until this thing is production ready.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mike_c: out of curiosity, what do you consider 'production-ready' ?
mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.
mike_c: not blindly, but that seems a prerequisite
kakobrekla: mike_c ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: none of the bitly links from assbot work for me. they working for you?
kakobrekla: [19:40:53] <assbot> ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxW8KL )
kakobrekla: this one does ?
mike_c: that's interesting.. I tried that one specifically before and got nothing, but now it is showing up.
kakobrekla: nfi but everything is falling apart apparently so i wouldnt be surprised
mike_c: hm, well, nevermind then. perhaps it was temporary.
kakobrekla: everything is temporary.
mike_c: unless you stick it in the blockchain
kakobrekla: even then
chetty: <kakobrekla> everything is temporary.// death and taxes?
kakobrekla: if you wait long enough.
trinque: "Please switch to side B of the Universe now."
mod6: <+mike_c> we = mod6 + mod6 << lol! in all seriousness, i think that ben supports us working on obsd as well; however, yes, his enthusiasm might be more tempered then my own. He does review all of these SoBA's before they get signed & sent out to ML
mod6: imho, it's good to support at least 1 other platform outside of linux.
ascii_field: minix!
mike_c: No disagreement. I just smiled at the excitement :)
ascii_field: (and ~never, ever~ minix-3)
chetty: dos
ascii_field: chetty: see also:
ascii_field: !s msdos
assbot: 74 results for 'msdos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=msdos
ascii_field discusses this at least a few times
chetty: :)
kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?
ascii_field: summary: msdos to which you add a scheduler (threads) and addressability of blockchain-sized hard disk, is not really msdos in any proper sense
kakobrekla: didnt kildall make that shit?
kakobrekla: or is it killdal
chetty: well I actually kinda liked the 'robin' variant
kakobrekla: 'dr-dos' ?
ascii_field: kakobrekla: iirc the modern drdos is 'freedos'
ascii_field: because it is ~so~ useful to have something like msdos but less compatible.
ascii_field: (msdos 6.2 source leaked some years ago, and, unlike most leaked source, actually builds.)
kakobrekla didnt know that
ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind
ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything
trinque: BREAKING NEWS: Second release of Ashley Madison data includes source code for website, CEO emails << headline banner on reuters homepage
trinque: wahahaha
trinque: just keeps getting worse for them
ascii_field: 'the cuckening'
trinque: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/324S41S.txt )
mats: lol.
assbot: The Hunt for Narco Subs | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFuhpZ )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: re: 2nd am leak: theoretically enough to set up the site for yourself
ascii_field: if you wished.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:13:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245265 << mine sputters, and barely runs, but loads. at first glance, whatever kakobrekla did to the log has doubled memory footprint
trinque: he did javascript to it
trinque: whaddayawant
kakobrekla: no js added.
chetty: log ever since the color change// color? what color?
jurov: !s kindergarten
assbot: 64 results for 'kindergarten' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kindergarten
ascii_field: 'When the head of US Southern Command testified before Congress in March 2014, he said that due to asset shortfalls Southcom couldn’t pursue 74 percent of suspected maritime drug-smuggling vessels. “I simply sit and watch it go by,” the general said.' << disinfo !
jurov: chetty, it's there ^
ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar
chetty: odd, I dont get any color but I the spacing is actually better on that version
trinque: ascii_field: wahahaha
trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care
trinque recalls the CIA plane *filled* with coke
trinque: certainly not an isolated case, of course.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00069854 = 15.9966 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: ASN Aircraft accident Grumman American G-1159 Gulfstream II N987SA Tixkokob ... ( http://bit.ly/1EFwPo8 )
ascii_field: https://archive.is/39K6d << the earlier loltron, for future reference.
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I'm having a hell of a time finding the sources that linked the above plane to flights to guantanamo now, and recall in the past *not* relying on such filth as "infowars"
trinque: but I do remember when this was reported at the time, in 07
assbot: Page not found | www.statesman.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X5ww )
trinque: I guess that one's a seizure.
trinque: point being, the internet... it rots.
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006751 / 0.00069203 / 0.0007374 (2533894 shares, 1,753.53 BTC), 7D: 0.000591 / 0.00070498 / 0.0007991 (14010531 shares, 9,877.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058029 / 0.0007991 (83372433 shares, 48,380.72 BTC)
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00069871 = 5.4499 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: is working on the blacklist article
BingoBoingo: *no colon there
felipelalli: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1225351 << trinque I'm sorry, but I didn't understand. I tried to find in the history but I couldn't. What exactly is a great way to rate people outside the WoT? Thank you!
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 06:35:37; trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli you've spoken about the idea of rating people not in the WoT; there's a great way ^
trinque: felipelalli: 'twas above that one, BingoBoingo made a deed in which he promised to rate certain individuals -10 should they ever appear in the WoT
ascii_field: felipelalli: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' (tm) (r) (babbage)
trinque: ascii_field: not at all; making a deed serves a similar purpose if the individuals are easily identified by the contents of the deed
ascii_field: meat folks have a habit of changing skins
ascii_field: esp. sc4mz0rz
thestringpuller: ascii_field: has been watching face-off too much
ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake
trinque: sure, but if it's bureaucrat X who did Y and Z publically, works fine
ascii_field: bureaucrat - sure.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
felipelalli: trinque, ah, lol, amazing. thank you! The deedbot link didn't work when I tried to enter in it. My idea was to be able to rate an "abstract entity" that could represents a person or company that wasn't registered on WoT.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
trinque: which link?
felipelalli: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: felipelalli: why not simply rate'em if they ever show up.
ascii_field: why does wot need to be a dead hand ?
trinque: this is why I suggest deeds for this, rather than WoT ratings
trinque: "fuck he who did X" is a fine thing to preserve permanently
trinque: this is actually the thing that most excites me about bitcoin: permanent social memory
felipelalli: ascii_field, this is actually useful to identify scammers. Scammers does not like to register in WoT systems because they are easily got.
trinque: at least as long as the life of the chain
trinque: felipelalli: good reason to do business in-WoT though
felipelalli: trinque, yes, max priority.
felipelalli: trinque, the link I tried to enter was this one: http://dpaste.com/10RVK2B.txt (above your commentary). But I should enter in deedbot link, not this one that is expired.
assbot: Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9b5FX )
ascii_field: felipelalli: from that perspective, a fella who was offered every chance to get in wot, and we saw that he understood how it works, but refused - has already negrated himself to -$maxint
trinque: felipelalli: yer dpaste is dead boss
felipelalli: ascii_field, yes! :) this is true.
felipelalli: lol, very good!
danielpbarron: and to those who might not have noticed, the assbot bit.ly links forward to archive.is
trinque: nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00069831 = 23.6029 BTC [-]
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/us-ashleymadison-cybersecurity-idUSKCN0QP20K20150820 << In a message, the hackers, who call themselves the Impact Team said: "Hey Noel, you can admit it's real now."
assbot: Hackers leave message for Ashley Madison founder in second data dump: expert| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fszwTm )
trinque: mein gott the lolz
felipelalli: I'm reading http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ now. Who is this guy "goat"?
assbot: shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )
ascii_field: felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him
danielpbarron: some guy who isn't in the WoT
danielpbarron: yet another guy who "teaches the controversy" that the "debate" is whether to use 'Core' vs 'XT'
ascii_field: goodcop/badcop
mircea_popescu: in the current state this is actually fine. "debate core vs xt" misrepresentation is a degradation of "core consensus" prev state.
ascii_field: xt was 'bad cop' from day 1
ascii_field: (existed to make 'core' look like a decent thing)
mircea_popescu: yes. except this need wasn't perceived back in say 2013.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47863 @ 0.00069757 = 33.3878 BTC [-] {4}
ascii_field: when ~did~ 'xt' appear ?
mircea_popescu: hearn was added to support gavin almost as soon as gavin did his "presentation" at cia.
ascii_field: this i recall.
mircea_popescu: but they were, according to usg, unknown. only recently were they moved from field to embassy duty
mircea_popescu: or as that works out in bitcoin, from "developers" to "XT team"
mircea_popescu: bah log still unusable.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3M0W299.txt << have a turd
mircea_popescu: im reduced to using it through archive.today ffs.
felipelalli: if Bitcoin Core pushes forward to increase the block size, how to resist to it if the miners decide to support the fork? Any other version unsupported by the miners would be very vulnerable to attacks from the fork side?
ascii_field: kakobrekla: ^^
mircea_popescu: nope, cuts off.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: re: log
mircea_popescu: felipelalli suppose you actually read the logs.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thanks
felipelalli: !s fork
assbot: 849 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork
mircea_popescu: "benzinga.com" ? wtf, your dragnet's too tight, picking everything
mircea_popescu: i bet alf's idea of microbiology work is "examine the bugs individually under microscope"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually, sometimes is.
mircea_popescu: "fits in head" too ?
ascii_field: ^ was why i got out of biology
mircea_popescu: this is a fine approach for computer viruses. for very good reasons i won't go into for the sake of not boring everyone.
mircea_popescu: but it is a bad approach for actual microbiology. because, again, saltus.
mircea_popescu: !up mynameismud
kakobrekla: yeah looking into it, checked and old backup copy of the file - still slow
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: funnily, the saltus thing is applicable to modern crapware written by morons who slavishly copy one another with minor variations
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i use the log daily and the problem only started maybe 2 days ago. somehow.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, because biology creeps in.
mircea_popescu: it's also applicabe to things like "internet websites", for the same reason. hence the b-something comment above.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: i also noticed this. even dug in the payload, found nothing
ascii_field: but i'm no www magician
mircea_popescu: i'm tryin' to pass along to you the methodology knowledge of people in this field, ya know ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu try now
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're entirely correct re: spamatronics
ascii_field: somehow i wasn't thinking in that key.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nope, still eats memory.
kakobrekla: this now is 1 month old file
kakobrekla: so its not my code and wtf.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla specifically what was i testing ? log.bitcoin-assets.com right ?
mircea_popescu: could there be a cache involved ?
mircea_popescu: but i guarantee this was not present 1 month ago, or even a week ago.
mircea_popescu: because i bitched within 5 minutes.
kakobrekla: i started noticing a slowdown 7-10 days ago
ascii_field: it started on or very close to the hour when the colours were introduced.
mircea_popescu: ima pore through this file now see wtf.
kakobrekla: but its not the colors!
mircea_popescu: might not be... i noticed after they were introdfuced tho
kakobrekla: there is no colors in the code now, still slow
ascii_field: is there ANYTHING that wasn't there in june ?
kakobrekla: fuck w3c
mircea_popescu: useless as usual.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0006751 = 14.1771 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Line 4051, Column 13: value of attribute "ID" invalid: "1" cannot start a name
mircea_popescu: because why.
ascii_field: 'cause some twit
ascii_field: or perhaps - fortran
mircea_popescu: <script src="/js/jquery-1.8.3.min.js"></script><script src="/js/jquery-ui-1.9.2.custom.min.js"></script> < those changed ?
ascii_field realized long ago that standards committees attract at least half a dozen distinct types of vermin. one of which is the sort of fella who vandalizes bus stops, carves initials in
trinque: the browser is the ultimate "make a name for myself" hell.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: why does that thing need js??!!!
danielpbarron: js is what makes the selected line (via url) turn yellow
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just loaded a version without the head section
mircea_popescu: it works perfectly fine, 0 delay.
mircea_popescu: the problem is in the head.
kakobrekla: its always in the head.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00068582 = 6.1635 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234461 << i've been listening to his podcast ever since his article on the dance party for the shamed fat guy; the show is just barely interesting to have on in the background thanks to his somewhat libertarian-leaning co-host, Dick Masterson. Maddox himself is a damn dirty socialist, and also a self-described 'programmer' who frequently speaks to the virtues of winbl0ws
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:07:22; trinque: man, I love Maddox so much
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/log.html << check that version out. it loads fine, at least for me.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsCLdk )
mircea_popescu: the only thing i changed is the head, now it reads
trinque: danielpbarron: man, he's a socialist? that's disappointing.
mircea_popescu: <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
mircea_popescu: <title>#bitcoin-assets log</title>
mircea_popescu: <meta name="keywords" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />
mircea_popescu: <meta name="description" content="#bitcoin-assets log" />
mircea_popescu: <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="all" href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/css/all.css" />
trinque: I'm speaking from having read maddox.xmission.com long ago
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lotta people are sorta like that, really. the hope and expectaton of a "greatness of the people" is hard to shake.
kakobrekla: try log now pls
kakobrekla: f5 also
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g3 )
assbot: Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g6 )
assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6gg )
mircea_popescu: rguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal
danielpbarron confirms log loads faster now :D
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla perfect now.
kakobrekla: fuckin hell.
mircea_popescu: what was it ?
kakobrekla: css :|
mircea_popescu: ahhh this is nice to get back.
mircea_popescu: but... my version loads css/all.css and still works ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: but listen... all i took out was the js!
kakobrekla: all i replaced was .css
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, thank you for the links! I was trying to find something relevant on log but I didn't so far.
trinque: some css selectors can be heavy to apply
mircea_popescu: trinque the file i uploaded uses the same css the not working log used tho, and worked fine!@
trinque: could be heavy depending on the structure of the markup
mircea_popescu: but i suppose it could be some mysterious css/js interaction
trinque: cause it has to search the whole DOM tree
mircea_popescu: it clearly looked like a badly done recursive search
trinque: can be narrowed by specifying IDs, using > to specify "just immediate child" etc
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: i guess it COULD be that it actually rejected the provided ids "because they start with digit" and ending up with a soup ?
mircea_popescu: which...
trinque: it's one of those giant monstrosities that every simple question is hard to answer
trinque: *within which
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245067 : it occurs to me that this situation is not just pseudo-exchanges and fake dating sites etc. this is universally true of the web.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:59:34; mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.
mircea_popescu: which is to say : there's two webs. one is the original web, which exclusively consists of non-interactive http served documents. this is the same it always was, more or less.
kakobrekla: a 'missing' 'overflow: hidden' was the cause
mircea_popescu: then there's a secopnd web, to use its own terminology web2.0. this is composed of ALL the sites that uses https, for any purpose. such as "logins" as if that makes any sense.
mircea_popescu: these, without exception, are populated by idiots. without exception i say.
kakobrekla: how ? dunno, nobody could have foreseen.
mircea_popescu: and what they do all day is, PRETEND like they're doing something.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla win!
trinque: kakobrekla: heh was every line trying to figure out if it was going to be scrollable?
trinque: "reflow" is a bitch
kakobrekla: possibly
mircea_popescu: they pretend like they're advertising, but aren't actually reaching anyone. they pretend like they're socializing, but they're socialising with perl scripts (as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ ). they pretend like they're doing banking except they aren't actually, and "cheating" on their wife with gif-provided motion and indian call center provided voice.
assbot: Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsDRpu )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a wriggleysgumification
mircea_popescu: the web 2.0 has, basically, failed in all its promises except one. it does give monkleys something to play with.
mircea_popescu: keeps em "busy" and "employed" and so forth.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that there is enough 'genuine cheat' or whatnot to go around. hence, the simulacra.
mircea_popescu: of course there isn'rt roflmao. what "go around" !
mircea_popescu: the moment you have go around in the sentence you've made it about "giving stuff to people who haven't earned it"
ascii_field: any more than there is enough toyota to 'go around' in zimbabwe
ascii_field: how else.
mircea_popescu: so basically... yeah. the www is the new ghetto.
mircea_popescu: "go hang out on a website or whatever it is your kind does", as it were.
ascii_field: orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls'
assbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsEaR6 )
ascii_field: kakobrekla: do the nauseating colours ~have~ to be default ?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess it's not novel nor really anything but the most banal observation.
kakobrekla: ascii_field f5
ascii_field: ty kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: but to my own head it's a huge step forward. i guess i was coming at the internet from the wrong perspective. took a while to clear in my head heh.
kakobrekla: muh plesur
mircea_popescu: "With each passing week more and more of us become ready to concede that economic growth is no longer possible. Economic de­velopment, on the old model, which UN Sec­retary Ban Ki-moon recently characterized as a “global suicide pact,” is becoming con­strained by the limits of natural resources of the finite planet, energy, arable land and fresh water foremost among them, and stressed further by extreme weather
mircea_popescu: events that increase in frequency due to the rapidly destabilizing climate." <<< ascii_field i'm sorry, what ?
mircea_popescu: dude's not even wrong.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: just now noticed that one ?
mircea_popescu: you quoted it to me ?
ascii_field: iirc mr o works it into every single piece somehow
ascii_field just ignores
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00067343 = 16.095 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: i don't barf from religion unless it genuinely interferes with the subject matter
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao
mircea_popescu: which paragraph am i to start reading?
ascii_field: mr o, it appears, has somehow baked his whole mind around the idea that climatocalypse will cleanse away the sins of mankind
trinque: heh, I've hoped for this as well. wishful thinking.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: third
mircea_popescu: such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: " What neither side seems to grasp is this: as the virtualized realm of cyberreality and social networking takes over daily life, the actual physical economy will matter less and less"
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, what ? dude's not even wrong.
mircea_popescu: a) what takes over ; b) what less and less. for starters.
ascii_field: nah, makes sense - build 100x fewer cars, let lusers watch films of cars, go 'vroom' in their minds
ascii_field: sorta why i brought it up re: the simulacra thread.
mircea_popescu: how does this answer eiother a or b ?
ascii_field: wankatronics ('web 2') takes over
trinque: cannot last for very long at all, if it did
trinque tries to eat a farmville vegetable
ascii_field: trinque: for so long as it is displacing 'optional' items, rather than air, food (and can take considerable liberties with the latter!) - it lasts
ascii_field: and, naturally, while the herring in the scania sounds.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "takes over" is not how you say this.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow all white dudes in the us go hang themselves, leaving all the black dudes
trinque: sounds more like learning carpentry at aushwitz
mircea_popescu: would you say this means "hanging has taken over the us" ?
mircea_popescu: no, it did not.
ascii_field: i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: but will try anyway
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i think 'take over' here is in the sense microshit took over pc
ascii_field: in the sense that one ends up going to considerable lengths if wishing to avoid contact with it
trinque: sorta like a septic line taking over a basement
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I read your articles. Actually I had read some parts before, but I read all over again. Unfortunately I didn't find the answer to my question. I understand that if miners just point to a "Scamcoin" (fork from Bitcoin) this is not Bitcoin, of course. But having them more hashpower, and the same type of hash function, this does not make the actual Bitcoin an "altcoin" and them vulnerable to attacks? (following the
felipelalli: idea of that other article of yours "The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies"")
ascii_field: trinque: aha.
trinque: but then the agency there is just a metaphor, so I can see the argument that nothing was "taken over"
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, in other words: the decision of majority of miners could literally kill the actual Bitcoin. Make it unusable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12122 @ 0.00068183 = 8.2651 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: well it will be 2010 all over again
trinque: felipelalli: so then the actual bitcoin has fewer miners.
mike_c: majority of miners = 60%? Then 40% of miners stay on bitcoin and blocks take.. 25 minutes?
mike_c: this is not unusable.
felipelalli: trinque, I know, but vulnerable. Miners could use a portion of their hashpower just to mess around with the actual Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dunno how you do it, but yeah
kakobrekla: afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00068613 = 8.9952 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: felipelalli you did not read very carefully at all.
mike_c: in the meantime, everyone sane forks their coins, dumps the scam coin, and now the 60% miners are mining worthless coins.
mike_c: how long does that last?
kakobrekla: i think gavins version uses 90%
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGAzl )
mircea_popescu: you couldn't find that on your own for some reason ?
kakobrekla: everyone sane hahaha he said everyone sane.
mike_c: or insane :)
kakobrekla: insane keep their coins, sane wont touch exchanges
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo how's the riot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door.
mircea_popescu: what's to keep him from doing this ?
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I fully understood your point on that part, but it does not answer what if the miners decide to attack the actual Bitcoin making double spends, reverting transactions etc. They'll have this power. Read http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )
mircea_popescu: nothing, really.
mircea_popescu: yet lo and behold that not so many people drive their car through other people's doors.
mircea_popescu: because it's their fucking car, and because if they fuck it up they don't get another one.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except when they do
ascii_field: get another one
ascii_field: from friendly uncle usg.
mircea_popescu: riiight.
mircea_popescu: lemme put it plainly : if this were a unipolar world, it's not that bitcoin wouldn't exist. it's that it COULDNT.
mircea_popescu: the world is not unipolar. even if, for various inhabitants of various rural places, it so appears.
punkman: felipelalli: nobody can steal your coins if you just sit on them and don't spend for a while
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: and has so appeared, since before the greeks were invented.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00069699 = 26.6801 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: hm, this brings to mind monotheism, as perhaps the source of this delusion of a singular agency over reality
trinque: or maybe just an expression of it
felipelalli: punkman, this is true, and this is my main use of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be affected. Good point. But this is a little contradictory with the article "there is no such thing as cryptocurrencies". The idea is "There Can Be Only One"
mike_c: There can only be one.
mircea_popescu: christianity took over the decaying roman empire as the most concise, most popular embodiment of their hope and aspiration. the only such remaining - that even as they've failed, they still must survive "for there's nothing else".
mike_c: But miners don't get to pick it
mircea_popescu: it's a great faith for the defeated, and always popular with them
mircea_popescu: felipelalli that's exactly it : there can only be one, and miners don't pick it. mike has it.
thestringpuller: miners are the bitch of the economic majority which is MP, he decides.
thestringpuller: whether people like that or not is irrelevant
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> meat folks have a habit of changing skins << Deed's kinda contingent on identification being confirmed at all
ascii_field: wouldn't a complete picture include satoshi ?
mircea_popescu: well, teh frist 8 words stand, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov.
felipelalli: thank you guys for the thoughts!
mircea_popescu: thoughts ? what thoughts. this is abuse. you want 12-c down the hall for thoughts.
mike_c: satoshi seems to just be holding the detonate button.
mircea_popescu: the satosher errs only once!
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Just found out about it coming back from mowing lawns. KMOX was talking about it. If Crown Candy Kitchen survives not much elso of value in North city
ascii_field: mike_c: could easily push same button as mircea_popescu
ascii_field: (dump sc4mf0rk coins)
mircea_popescu: that also.
mike_c: could yes, but it feels like he'd be more likely to blow the whole fucking thing up for some reason rather than use his coins to influence policy.
mike_c: but who knows
trinque: ascii_field: damn, wouldn't that be a thing to watch.
mircea_popescu: mike_c "some reason" aka it's fucking stupid and who the fuck does this to people, takes their napkin sketches and puts it in a frame above the mantelpiece!
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, lol
ascii_field: trinque: wonder if 'blow all up' would result in my ancient satoshicalypse pill being dug up and put to use
mircea_popescu: dja understand any minor mistake the man made PROTOTYPING is now preserved in billion dollars' worth of amber ?
mike_c: yeah, but, we're fixing the napkin. plz don't blow it up yet mr. satoshi.
mircea_popescu: five fucking years later, you know
mike_c: we = foundation, I'm not doing anything.
trinque: ascii_field: which?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we're fixing it."
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how any man can have the patience.
assbot: Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsImk2 )
mircea_popescu: but my involvement in bitcoin has been deeply educative through example
mike_c: Not exactly five years - It's a lot of work. This work wasn't necessarily worth it before enough people took the right notice and the project got some traction
mike_c: Meaning the fixing was only worth doing for a smaller number of years.
mircea_popescu: i hope me and mike_c die in the same plane crash and i get to hear him talk it over with ol' paulie.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf you're doing programming computers yo. go be a negotiator.
mike_c: my mother thought I should be a lawyer
mircea_popescu: yeah. in divorce court.
mircea_popescu: put it straight out of business.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him << Two different goats
mircea_popescu: mike the goat is not the same as pedo the goat.
thestringpuller: pedo the goat is the thailand guy right?
trinque: ascii_field: ah yep, read that. and it wouldn't surprise me if A was an intentional kill switch, even less so with the hypothetical "failed project"
trinque: perhaps that was a veiled threat to use the bomb
ascii_field: trinque: read to the end.
ascii_field: spoiler: the anti-bomb is to make satoshi's blocks unspendable.
ascii_field: (and yes, that's forkspeak)
trinque: yep, read that too
ascii_field: but if the bomb fell,
trinque: something something precedent something socialism
ascii_field: that would be the only surviving fork!
ascii_field: the other one - dead.
ascii_field: economically unminable, even.
trinque: I dunno if I like having some kind of mob social mechanism to declare coins uncoined
trinque: and yet, yes, could kill the thing otherwise
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with preserving the originator's exercisable right to end his progeniture.
mircea_popescu: heck, the absence of social recognition for this is why i won't have kids.
trinque: yeah, if satoshi says "dead" I'm inclined to respect
ascii_field: the inventor is always at war with everyone else.
ascii_field: 'tis true
mircea_popescu: more like alf's version than trinque's version.
mircea_popescu: the war needn't end.
ascii_field: i live on both sides of this.
trinque: not dead in that "no more cryptocurrencies"
trinque: but sure, I geddit
ascii_field: inventors live, typically, with a strong but arguably justifiable sense of being scammed by their fellow man collectively.
trinque: supposing it ends up expected that clients have a sort of "spam" list of bitcoin addresses they ignore
trinque: not a pleasant thought
ascii_field: one hypothesis of mine is that the 'anti-bomb' will help not at all unless dropped ~prior~ to the s-bomb
ascii_field: because proscribing the blocks later won't un-stampede the sell-panickers
ascii_field: and won't un-mix the mixed s-coin when it ends up everywhere
mircea_popescu: since we're doing nonsense ("you can't teach a class in nonsense. but the history of nonsnese - that's scholarship!"), can anyone explain why exactly would a hard fork not start with its own genesis ? outside of the fundamentally fraudulent, pious or otherwise, attempt to pretend like it's something it is most assuredly not ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: only reason is to hitch a phree ride on the existing allocations
mircea_popescu: so basically, free fork === new genesis block anyway.
ascii_field: rather than deal with premining (or accusations thereof) and the whole orchestra.
punkman: you can't fork the chain at genesis
mircea_popescu: so basically, hard fork === new genesis block anyway.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field youre not required to starty it at 1 diff.
ascii_field: regardless of where you start the diff,
mircea_popescu: all the altcoin scammers ever did, of course, but for a very transparent reason.
ascii_field: early miners have massive advantage.
ascii_field: well, you can't start at ~very~ massive diff
mircea_popescu: why not ?
ascii_field: because then you get millenium-long block times
mircea_popescu: "here's the hard fork. mine the first block or go away"
ascii_field: (with the hash power typically available to a forker)
mircea_popescu: that'd have been the HONEST approach to xt, were xt actually powered by the stuff they claim it to be powered by.
mircea_popescu: if genuinely users were constricted by nonsensical rules which inept conservatives maintained out of sheer lunacy,
mircea_popescu: then they could always have done it properly, like above. heck, they still do.
mircea_popescu: "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc for mining a block, here or there. each hash is worth the same.
ascii_field: a fork that doesn't switch workfunction is ipso facto a fraud
mircea_popescu: it COULD just switch genesis.
ascii_field: done umpteen times
ascii_field: gets difficultywanked to death.
mircea_popescu: perfectly valid fork that doesn't run into (the mostly valid) problem you raise.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work << 75% for just 1 week. Decides to fuck off faster than difficulty decides between anal and blow job.
mircea_popescu: nononon. nonononoNO!
mircea_popescu: new genesis, same difficulty.
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc << can't transact!
mircea_popescu: you can, if you mine it.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo yeah i wasnt clear, 75% over 1k blocks which is 1 week + 2week 'grace' period
kakobrekla: or what
kakobrekla: ;;google bip101
gribble: Stephen Pair on Twitter: "We support the adoption of BIP 101 for ...: <https://twitter.com/spair/status/634174754879078400>; Stephen Pair: BitPay supports the adoption of BIP 101 for increasing ...: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hod9r/stephen_pair_bitpay_supports_the_adoption_of_bip/>; Blocktrail now shows pools supporting 8MB blocks and BIP101 ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: !rated slush
assbot: You have not rated slush.
kakobrekla: ;;google bip101 github
gribble: BIP: 101 - GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki>; Implement BIP101: Increase maximum blocksize · Issue ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6559>; gavinandresen (Gavin Andresen) · GitHub: <https://github.com/gavinandresen?tab=activity>
mircea_popescu: !rate slush -10 fuckwit
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0344cfe7ebb8628d
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.slush.-10:32bc6c42d2abe961351b640351fa93b57b39fb751ee8ffa2f040ca50fa101109
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for slush with note: fuckwit
kakobrekla: wait bip101 is autherd by ga and suggest 8mb
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> you can, if you mine it. << that requires - shudder - actual resources!
kakobrekla: wasnt there a 20mb version also
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla iirc they're at 133 mb now.
trinque: because why not
mircea_popescu: just numbers.
mircea_popescu: and you want a bigger amount of just number.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. << Incidently used care prices are finally returning to "normal" pre-Obola-cash-for-clunkers depreciation curve. Thousand dollar cars are a thing again. Soon it will probably be possible to acquire a car capable of providi
BingoBoingo: ng its own motion for three digits again. Thank you China!
mircea_popescu: this is how you plan to make your boat ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously. i'm just saying, you know, here's where the shore is. for all the puddles pretending to be rivers.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah, it's where mars is.
ascii_field: yes, we know where.
ascii_field: now buy me a ticket.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: dpaste: 2YG643G ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsMnVn )
mircea_popescu: now what.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it robs whitespace.
ascii_field: capriciously, maliciously.
mircea_popescu: hey, he made a statement.
ascii_field: because tards.
punkman: mircea_popescu: you added newlines?
mircea_popescu: well you can readily see what i added, it's all in there
punkman: I don't see trailing spaces/tabs/etc
mircea_popescu: the text reads "append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069714 = 7.808 BTC [+]
ascii_field: briefly back to earlier thread, i hypothesize that is s-bomb falls, the 'counter-bomb' is a schelling point.
mircea_popescu: about as pointy as litecoin.
ascii_field: i, for instance, am not any more thrilled about satoshi's blocks being spendable than a german in 1945 was re: the trotyl that hitler ordered planted on everything worth half a broken pfenning
ascii_field: (not carried out, because they weren't morons..)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i thought you had no money, what do you care.
ascii_field: i want a dead usg.
ascii_field: there is exactly one weapon.
mircea_popescu: lol simmar down
mircea_popescu: fucking lettuce's a weapon.,
ascii_field: if thrown well!
mircea_popescu: "does it grow on dead body ? " "ayep" "then it's dangerous weapon for usg"
ascii_field: it also occurs to me that an anti-bombed bitcoin is only a hardfork ~if~ the bomb falls.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245331 << mebbe a blessing, this. sometimes mine takes 3 hours, i'm on like the fifth cup of very milky capuccino...
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 12:05:32; jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent
ascii_field: when i wrote that essay, and there was no positive reaction to it, i concluded that bitcoin users are just too fond of fellating the invisible cock of the anonymous microshit vs wizard, to care half a damn
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245346 << amusingly, people don't tend to do that much.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:16:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are two undistinguishable reasons for silent answer. one's that no one heard.
ascii_field: nah, enough folks heard.
ascii_field: but reaction was, unsurprisingly, 'this is satanic'
ascii_field: hell, i don't find it esp. appetizing, either.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245360 << yeah well, allow me to welcome youy in the wonderful world of soviet bureaucracy. the guns were delivered at kiev. the men were delivered at odessa. the ammunition was left behind. inexplicably, the front fell.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:20:14; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I was wrong on the CR part, not sure on the exact set of whitespace chars it will happily eat, but it's probably more than tabs and spaces. example: http://dpaste.com/18QBJJY.txt
mircea_popescu: yeah agreed punkman
mircea_popescu: just making the point that it's fucking impossible to predict wtf it does
mircea_popescu: much what alf was sayin
punkman: you can convert between \r, \r\n and \n without problems though
mircea_popescu: still, these perfectly valid technical objections aside - signed is deeply inferior to clearsigned. this is a fact, and it won't change.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to reimplement pgp and make it behave re clearsign.
punkman: I was also trying to make a point about the |GPG| prefix being useless
mircea_popescu: well, no. it works as intended : if you extract all the prefixed lines and wipe the prefix, you get the original text.
punkman: it'd have worked with dashes just as well
mircea_popescu: no, because diff creates --- lines
mircea_popescu: which turn into - ---
punkman: so you remove "- " instead of "|GPG|".
mircea_popescu: and it's necessarily safe to s/|GPG|// than to s/- //
assbot: In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9pvHs )
mircea_popescu: "This shit from Mircea and friends is incomprehensible. And probably exactly wrong."
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's how it works. totally/
BingoBoingo: Even though it links to all the times Mircea was right and doesn't have Mircea on the byline
mircea_popescu: it's still probably exactly wrong!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00068615 = 25.0445 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0006987 = 24.8737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4972 @ 0.00068014 = 3.3817 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anwyay, this is a perfectly fine time to move hashing away from slush, if anyone was looking.
mircea_popescu: "good guys" gotta at some point comprehend the jwz future is no future.
mircea_popescu: let him be "oh, that xt pool operator" and hang with it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.0006984 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: I was kinda iffy about him with the whole Trezor thing
mircea_popescu: oh that shit still exists even ?
BingoBoingo: Not really sure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00067282 = 74.0102 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: kakobrekla/mike_c , is there any public source for mpex trades (other than mpex.coinbr.com) that does not mutilate data?
kakobrekla: i have one
jurov: live.coinbr.com i mean
jurov: well, i was troubleshooting coinbr transaction "2015-08-19T22:31:42+00:00", B 53950, "S.MPOE" @ 68266 but it got put together with others and then published in channel
jurov: and say i wanted to convince coinbr customer that yes, it happened
mircea_popescu: why would customer need convincing ?
jurov: cuz i must still occassionally fix coinbr history
mircea_popescu: yes but traditionally the way broker works is that he allocates his trades. so... you say it happened, you have a block it could have happenbed in, that's it.
jurov: kakobrekla: wow.
jurov: !s uery.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: 0 results for 'uery.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uery.bitcoin-assets.com
jurov: !s query.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: 1 results for 'query.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=query.bitcoin-assets.com
kakobrekla: i didnt publish the link really.
jurov: nothing, i just had no idea
jurov 's gonna dictionary ping *.bitcoin-assets.com to see if there's more :D
jurov: ;;isup bait.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: bait.bitcoin-assets.com is up
jurov: wut???
jurov: it's wildcard record.. duh
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245376 << which is why the only possible answers are violence or submission, which is why the inane bitching on social media sounds just like she's playing coy but enjoyed it, and which is also why "a society without violence" can not in point of fact function.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:35:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245396 << imo it's just a leftover magic thinking thing. "oh if i keep the kid's name a secret evil witches can't steal his soul".
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 13:57:50; asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0007016 = 19.4343 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245446 << well, it wasn't really his car. think of the us more in terms of a casino. he was allowed one spin on the casino's car, and then if he wanted another spin he had to give them another ticket.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 14:26:53; mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?
assbot: Wall Street Selloff: S&P Joins Dow in Negative Territory for '15 | Fox Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsYdPl )
mircea_popescu: "I think we should put users first." << oh, but we are. because poor people ARE NOT bitcoin users. by definition.
mircea_popescu: we aren't putting ghetto meat first. let the usg have that, they earned it.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the only possible definition of "middle class" is, "what's left of the poor fucks once the rich fucks are done raping their daughters and shooting their sons for sport."
mircea_popescu: you can't have a middle class unless the poor class is being squished underfoot.
mats: YHOO: -3.10%, TSLA: -5.12%, BABA: -3.83%, AMZN: -3.22%, AAPL: -2.05%, BOX: -2.31%, FB: -.98%, SCTY: -4.47%, ZNGA: -2.33%, GOOG: -2.13%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00068358 = 4.0728 BTC [-]
mats: le pummeling
mircea_popescu: aww. so much less russias they could buy.
mats: correction, FB: -4.98%
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067172 / 0.00069087 / 0.00071459 (2635190 shares, 1,820.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00060969 / 0.00070717 / 0.0007991 (14054424 shares, 9,938.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058091 / 0.0007991 (83785547 shares, 48,672.49 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00068358/0.00069087
gribble: 0.989448087194
mircea_popescu: mpoe only down 1%!
mircea_popescu: znga for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: i look at that index and i'm like... hey, nice, simcity 2015.
mats: :)
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245510 << the consensus seems to be that the us will end under a hail of "don't thread on me" folk. it's what chomsy thinks but daren't say, it's what the various judges think which is why they come out with all the lulzy pretense of "systematic" discussion etc.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:50:56; ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')
mircea_popescu: i'm unconvinced, but who knows.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field mega-unconvinced
ascii_field: because the 'don'
ascii_field: t tread' folks have collective 'iq' of 3.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
ascii_field: wake me up when they stop 'death ray'ing.
ascii_field: and start pgp.
mircea_popescu: this is completely unrelated.
ascii_field: mega-related. no pgp, no wot. no wot, eaten alive by influence agents and provocateurs.
mircea_popescu: understand : the ability of the usg to continue strictly lays in the fiction called "lawful order".
mircea_popescu: if the odds for a policeman being answered with bullets are ~0%, there can be a country.
mircea_popescu: if the odds increase past a very tiny epsilon, there can not be a country.
mircea_popescu: this is strictly true irrespective of any other consideration, and the epsilon can even be calculated quite well.
ascii_field: then chechnya. which isn't a long-term affair.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily.
mircea_popescu: chechnya, in chechnya. romania, in romania. etc.
ascii_field: modern ro is a somalia ?
ascii_field: or no ?
mircea_popescu: "then us finally gets to meet its destiny".
ascii_field: what % bullet ?
mircea_popescu: modern ro is kinda what the us aspires to be. and at the point where that happened, about 3%.
ascii_field: no, what % ~today~
mircea_popescu: and the next day, people had to hide the police from the mob, like they were jews suddenly.
mircea_popescu: today ? why today ?
ascii_field: re: whether long-term thing or no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80850 @ 0.00067702 = 54.7371 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: quite long term.
ascii_field: anyway usa is on the zimbabwe track not the ro track
mircea_popescu: nah, us is going to turn into argentina.
ascii_field: it'll be a 'colour' thing.
ascii_field: with at least 3 colours
mircea_popescu: in fact this country is quite exactly the future of the us, almost to the last dash.
mircea_popescu: and the funny thing is - the usians won't even know it.
ascii_field: hard to know things when dead
mircea_popescu: they'll just sue the chinese in a chinese court protesting that the chinese arew forcing them to pay bonds as they promised to pay,
mircea_popescu: and won't even realise anything's amiss.
mircea_popescu: will discuss their debates, whatever, "race", "women" bla bla. much like the locals do soccer.
ascii_field: that is done already?
mircea_popescu: heck, i can almost see it, "Key West Is American"
mircea_popescu: buncha veterans of the lost war on lawn of white house,
mircea_popescu: ascii_field hence my "locals won't even know it"./
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!
assbot: diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmStmt )
ascii_field: ^ does not invoke 'ls' internally (who is surprised?!)
mircea_popescu: why ther fuck would it not
ascii_field: because.
mircea_popescu: dude it's almost as if everyone using computers before was just you know, playing.
ascii_field: 'what if ls is retarded?!'
ascii_field: 'whaddayathink this is, plan9?'
mircea_popescu: "what, someone will one day want bitwise identity on outputs ?!? AHAHAHAHAWUT"
ascii_field: or go ask rms
ascii_field: (author)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00067065 = 21.5419 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i am seriously persuaded that not a single "programmer" alive until 2010 ever realised that yes, bitwise identity is a thing.
ascii_field: gcc 4.8.0 20120825; see
ascii_field: ^ l0l!!!!
mircea_popescu: fucking openssl dispolays the issue.
ascii_field realized
mircea_popescu: but i mean it's universal by now.
mircea_popescu: talk about fucking bit rot.
ascii_field in ~2004-ish
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i tell you, trying to convince sopmeone to not mentally s/programmer/monkey/ is a very hard task.
mircea_popescu: it's as if bitcoin suddenly raised the bar for programming computers and now most everyone's too short to play.
mircea_popescu: "wait, THAT is what computers were for ?! all these years!"
mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_bodi
ahmed_bodi: thank you
mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wake me up when time for adacoin.
mircea_popescu: you sleep too much!
ahmed_bodi: Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore
mircea_popescu: bad move.
mircea_popescu: !down ahmed_bodi
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:30:08; kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?
mircea_popescu: wait. pd-dos was the os one not dr-dos.
mircea_popescu: ah ok nm, furher down in teh logs huh.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:48:57; ascii_field: 'the cuckening'
shinohai: Many testicles will be crushed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245638 << a ton of uncut cocaine, more than the collected body of us sluts in the proper age could snort anyway.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:10:43; ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245641 << except this is how it works, always and everywhere. /me doth not know a time or a place where it was different. including the early days of the us revolutionary movement, or the days the menshevic faction had the upper hand, or any other time.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:11:48; trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care
mircea_popescu: this because "the people" have no proper function in government, and unlike the aspie 14%, the people know this well enough.
mircea_popescu: hence nixon's "silent majority" etc.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:54:59; ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake
mircea_popescu: is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> talk about fucking bit rot. << 8 way RAID 1 mirrors are starting to get really appearing just as Bitrot prevention
mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made
BingoBoingo: Of course. I's just like to kill the Cawsmax Ray excuse
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two << like his work I imagine also fueled by his hatred
BingoBoingo: scoopbot_revived fetch
assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you'll have to blockquote code snippets tho
BingoBoingo: Ah, lemme go in
mircea_popescu: his true malfeasance and loyalties come to light under superficial examination.
BingoBoingo: K, thestringpuller isn't getting shares from Hearn's code
mircea_popescu: "his true loyalties and thinly disguised malfeasance are apparent even under the most superficial examination" ?
mircea_popescu: or in any case that closer's broken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14451 @ 0.0007016 = 10.1388 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Should be fixed and in the I can't even department http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-police-officer-describes-heartbreak-of-fatal-shooting-of-/article_bb249529-3870-5ae1-83da-8545f4a6773e.html Yet they burned a chunk of North St Last night for the kid who ran out of a crack house
BingoBoingo: Gawker of course has a piece on Homeboy fleeing the crackhouse and eating pig lead
mircea_popescu: is this the nyfd shooting or something else
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068949 = 12.5487 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah. Two St Louis shootings. One was Ferguson hoodrats shot through a house killing a nine year old with a stray bullet. The other was StL PD shooting a fleeing innocent youth.
BingoBoingo: Just another innocent youth running from the crack house
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, https://archive.is/OK7hr
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mircea_popescu: above clarin, above trip advisor, above wikipedia, TRILEMA UBER ALLES!
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ag3nt_zer0: hello all
mircea_popescu: how goes
ag3nt_zer0: hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice
ag3nt_zer0: and yourself?
BingoBoingo: Don't go Jared
ag3nt_zer0: seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM
assbot: (original) Man In Nursing Home Reacts To Hearing Music From His Era - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn54B )
BingoBoingo: Also, who would have thought "People" magazine would "get it" and join the shitlord train to swolehalla http://www.people.com/article/project-harpoon-photoshop-plus-size-women-speaks-out
assbot: Project Harpoon Slammed for Photoshopping Images of Plus-Size Women : People.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn8h2 )
mats: BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices"
BingoBoingo: ty mats fxd
ag3nt_zer0: more miraculous music stuff: melodic intonation therapy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5verI-bj8
assbot: Music Therapy and Aphasia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHnp3z )
ag3nt_zer0: ... teaching stroke victims to talk again - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him
ag3nt_zer0: hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something
ag3nt_zer0: so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say
ag3nt_zer0: then do best to remove the melodic attribute
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assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything
jurov: would be more like "dos extender"
asciilifeform: jurov: there's no role for a single byte of the dos in ther
asciilifeform: it literally gives nothing over the naked iron, for this job.
asciilifeform: not one lick.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246308 << aha. for instance, one fella i know loaded the new (today's) 'ashley madison' crud. and one of the archive balls fails pgp sig.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made
asciilifeform: the interesting one, naturally.
jurov: i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D
jurov: (typo intended)
asciilifeform: jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today.
asciilifeform: to me game on computer is fucking ~synonymous~ with dos.
jurov: still, i have used t602, too
asciilifeform: dos is to game as greece is to philosophy.
asciilifeform: yes, no news, not for long time. but it remains.
assbot: Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8UgrH )
jurov: "What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk."
jurov: is that a compliment in disguise?
jurov: cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent
BingoBoingo: Indeed OCTOPEx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the 'soft pliable other thing' link?
asciilifeform: right now just points to my site root
BingoBoingo: Will fix, intended tungsten mels
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BingoBoingo: *melts
trinque: asciilifeform | jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era
trinque: had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet
asciilifeform: trinque: pretty much anything by 'sierra'
trinque: lemmings too
mircea_popescu: lmao that michelle bachman quote...
asciilifeform: and 'lucas'
trinque: cool
asciilifeform: also microprose, adeline, psygnosis...
asciilifeform: infogrames
asciilifeform: buncha others.
trinque: that'll keep me busy
asciilifeform: if must start with one - sierra.
trinque: ah lode runner is theirs?
trinque: I played that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm.
asciilifeform: sierra is mainly known the the adventures
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta have at least a minimal scheduler for tcp/ip
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word.
mircea_popescu: wait i'm a degenerate gambler now ? how's that work.
asciilifeform: perhaps it is like being a mollusc? or hawk? or which other animals were mentioned
jurov: i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see
mircea_popescu: oh they didn't care for the anthropology bit.
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mircea_popescu: well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs.
BingoBoingo: But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, “Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go—that’s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!”
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever hear term 'hatefact' ?
mircea_popescu: i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like artefact but for dumb people ?
asciilifeform: it is the name for, in this case, the monkeyrape
mircea_popescu: "A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ?
asciilifeform: or orwell's 'spanish armada sank' vs chesterton's 'fuck off'
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you!
BingoBoingo: Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen
asciilifeform: (chesterton, naturally, as stand-in for his imagined opposition)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack".
mircea_popescu: in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: considering that c died while mr o was a grunt in spain and had total of what, 100 pgs, printed
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone ever think he's even 2nd rate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the impression that o had pretences to 'great'. he wrote for the archaeologist. as i do.
asciilifeform: message in a bottle.
mircea_popescu: hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick.
asciilifeform: wrote because the choices are 'write into a bottle' or 'eat bullet'
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep."
asciilifeform: same thing
mircea_popescu: "but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong."
mircea_popescu: no, not the same thing.
trinque: damn.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 okay ?
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: snore. not even from inside crematorium
asciilifeform: now ~that~ would be a mega-'selfie'
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, from the gallows
asciilifeform: hang for a bit, have picture taken.
asciilifeform: pay $$.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'wrote because i am wrong' is imho correct, but in the ~literal~ sense. as in 'my whole existence is an uncorrectable wrong'
mircea_popescu: i dun get teh hate. chick owns her camera. wut ?
asciilifeform: which is why i say that he had no option but 'write' or 'eat nagant'
mircea_popescu: no, this is not the case. he was just stupid.
mircea_popescu: not that he didn't know better, either.
asciilifeform: gimme a smart gedankenorwell then
mircea_popescu: but he persevered.
asciilifeform: what'd he do
mircea_popescu: the italian guy.
asciilifeform: evola ?
mircea_popescu: smart gedankenorwell is evola, yes.
asciilifeform: evola was a money man
asciilifeform: orwell - not.
asciilifeform: so not reconcilable.
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asciilifeform: the ragged dervish is permanently preoccupied with starvation
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic
asciilifeform: i can speak for this.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ?
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ag3nt_zer0: sounds fine to me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because, apparently, sacrilege1111!!11
mircea_popescu: yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web".
asciilifeform: why can't herr luther do whatever the fuck he wants with the ink that he bought with the paper that he bought....
mircea_popescu: some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers,
mircea_popescu: and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane.
mircea_popescu: i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to.
mircea_popescu: see alf, sex trumps money.
asciilifeform: the 'pyramid' nonsense aside, people do end up fixated with whatever their unmet animal itch is
asciilifeform: if food - food
mircea_popescu: "I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help.
mircea_popescu: somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ?
asciilifeform: next ask for frog2english
asciilifeform: brekekekekex koax koax.
asciilifeform: ^ is what he says.
asciilifeform: how and what else.
trinque: as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it
trinque: more like a death rattle maybe?
mircea_popescu: no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore...
trinque: I like to think I can speak idiot but..
mircea_popescu: i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory.
asciilifeform: frog only knows how to say one thing: 'i am frog'
trinque: sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion
mircea_popescu: so technically they should be called rippits.
trinque: !b 1
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mircea_popescu: such colonialsim, calling rippits frogs.
asciilifeform: brekekex.
mircea_popescu: trinque ok but how does that make any sense lol.
trinque: mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary!
trinque: I mean where do opinions come from if not that?
mircea_popescu: "An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers."
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mircea_popescu: except i was discussing female monkeys...
trinque: nature is sexist.
kakobrekla: its what they are fucking, its what they feel for.
mircea_popescu: you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ?
mircea_popescu: you cant fuck monkeys.
kakobrekla: you can will a small enough gear prolly.
mircea_popescu: no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises.
trinque: yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in.
mats: lol.
asciilifeform: ^ see also
trinque: hahaha
trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
mircea_popescu: trinque language.
trinque: whoops
mircea_popescu: language was the original russian brides website.
trinque: oh lol, got it
trinque: so being able to refer to the thing caused it?
mircea_popescu: (the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything.
mircea_popescu: and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated)
trinque: hm, inversely. /me ponders
mircea_popescu: which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER.
mircea_popescu: today as 100k years ago.
mircea_popescu: and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest.
mircea_popescu: azns build the best empires.
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mircea_popescu: "]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose."
mircea_popescu: hey, is this true ?!
mircea_popescu is depressed. ALL THESE YEARS.
trinque: I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else.
asciilifeform: trinque only thinks this because he took the lsd!
trinque: but how to measure that in upvotes
trinque: one too many, I'm on a permanent trip
mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this on for size:
asciilifeform: /* Use locale-specific sorting if possible, else native byte order. */
asciilifeform: locale_specific_sorting = true;
asciilifeform: ^ guess from where.
mircea_popescu: what the shit already.
mircea_popescu: WHO thinks like this. i wish to know.
mircea_popescu: who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!"
asciilifeform: guess who.
mircea_popescu: a programmer!
mircea_popescu: it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo.
asciilifeform: 'pogrommer' (in the words of ex-gf)
mircea_popescu: Matches for haslink:true log.bitcoin-assets.com, 5789 total results
asciilifeform: so i diff my genesis and mod6, and what do i find.
mircea_popescu: over the past ~year or so.
asciilifeform: my diff sorts lexicographic by terminal file name. as the gods meant.
asciilifeform: that is, by ascii
asciilifeform: n00bz - 'man ascii' on your terminal if unsure what the order is!
asciilifeform: or open a fcking b00k
phf: james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths
mircea_popescu: phf i dun think it was lost, myself.
mircea_popescu: at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool.
asciilifeform: it survives (in anglo world) like panda survives. in a zoo or two.
mircea_popescu: what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer.
mircea_popescu: so it was sort-of abandoned for the mass.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce
trinque: most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected
mircea_popescu: "On older terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the vertical bar has a hole in the middle."
mircea_popescu: motherfucker... OF COURSE THE BAR HAS A HOLE
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it's locale retardation.
mircea_popescu: another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship.
mircea_popescu: it died out even in soviet land cca 60s.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 do me a little favour and try regenerate your genesis diff with LC_ALL=C prefixed to your shell command.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: confirmed!
mircea_popescu: phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned.
mircea_popescu: it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder.
mircea_popescu: but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i prefixed LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ./foo.sh and ended up with something quite like mod6's diff.
mircea_popescu: how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thanks for nailing this bitch.
asciilifeform: my pleasure.
asciilifeform washes chopping block
mircea_popescu: diff for fucks sake.
asciilifeform: wait till we do 'strings'. which is EXPLOITABLE
mircea_popescu: im not using fucking strings lol.
asciilifeform: but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'.
phf: that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always
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mircea_popescu: phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere.
mircea_popescu: then and only then.
mircea_popescu: most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know"
mircea_popescu: except not.
mircea_popescu: most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to.
asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for
assbot: bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlbRE )
assbot: Paul Eggert - Re: Add macros for diagnostic control, use them in locale/weightwc.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlhbX )
asciilifeform: 'More important, I looked through some of the Gnulib and GNU utilities code that deals with working around bugs in GCC's diagnostics generation, and -Wmaybe-uninitialized in particular has caused us so much grief that we typically silence it in a different way, which I should mention. We use a macro definition like this:' << holy fuq.
asciilifeform: is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ?
phf: hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates.
asciilifeform: this horror went past the point of being recoverable, long, long ago.
asciilifeform: apparently.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures
asciilifeform: and before BingoBoingo says 'bsd' - i will point out that ~all~ of this crap has long metastatized to bsd
BingoBoingo: But Plan9!!!
asciilifeform: plan9 is not a unix. it is its own animal. but very much mired in c
asciilifeform: and worst aspects of unix.
BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap
asciilifeform: (otherwise very spiffy, largely through having sat out the last 20 yrs of drepperization)
asciilifeform can abide no more of this, in one sitting. off to play with pet
BingoBoingo: Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it
phf: plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C
BingoBoingo: Also from Outer Space
phf: so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated
BingoBoingo: Not necessary. Could be Avian...
BingoBoingo: I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you?
phf: i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy
phf: but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights?
phf: *i wonder
BingoBoingo: I have no idea
BingoBoingo: Also, coinbase is getting desperate https://archive.is/HcCIx
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mircea_popescu: lol that consensus costs good money.
mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов
mircea_popescu: ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства.
mircea_popescu: such fucking wins.
mircea_popescu: see alfie, programmers!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can't make out what the problem is ?
danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
danielpbarron: version 2 doesn't say that
mircea_popescu: what the fuckl
danielpbarron: i google for that text and get very limited results
mircea_popescu: achtung asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: your .sign file, look at it. is it empty ?
danielpbarron: oh i'm stupid, it's not really a detached sig
mircea_popescu: whole thing's a joke anyway.
danielpbarron: d'oh! it's a clearsigned list of hashes
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3KK4002 << look at that stupid shit
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mircea_popescu: i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand
danielpbarron: ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig
danielpbarron: interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning
danielpbarron: i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as the guy links it as "pgp signature"...
mircea_popescu: you made no assumption.
mircea_popescu: he stated it was.
mircea_popescu: in vaguely uninteresting news,
mircea_popescu: ;;google Shlomo Sorin Rosen
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mircea_popescu: 35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ;;rated adlai
gribble: You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
ben_vulpes: !rated adlai
assbot: You rated user adlai on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.
ben_vulpes: !rate adlai 2 highly educational
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ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.adlai.2:310d1a69d4cd2a845906ce79b786bfb097b488935f1033c7064d48dfbf77d788
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for adlai from 1 to 2 with note: highly educational
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra
ben_vulpes: i hope to have time to review within the month
ben_vulpes: whips crack in the uranium mines, tho
Vexual: wrist sore voopz?
ben_vulpes: christ you have no idea
mod6: ben_vulpes!
gernika: BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this
BingoBoingo: gernika: Where?
assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
gernika: doh sorry - thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: thanks, fixed
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg
mod6 tries
assbot: Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )
mod6: another crazy thing is this BDB configure script. i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2. but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host=<SOMETHING>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+]
mod6: I went spelunking through the BDB configure script. The horror.
mircea_popescu: it probably defaults to dec or some shit.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: That clearly belonged in chan
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:22:37; mircea_popescu: maybe the conversation's too o'cult.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246551 << subject of programmers, there's a bit of ruby in a client ios build
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:23:44; mircea_popescu: a programmer!
ben_vulpes: it shells out to curl
ben_vulpes: TO SEND YOUR GPG KEYS TO SOME RUBRO
trinque shudders
trinque: ben_vulpes: fighting back the blob-thing?
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 01:43:43; *: asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for
ben_vulpes: trinque: blob from hell has me by the short and curlies
mod6: asciilifeform: lol, that worked.
mod6: looks great now.
mod6: i'll post my script and my new output diff
trinque: ben_vulpes: godspeed against the pussdemon
ben_vulpes: it's like ironing bubbles out of wallpaper
BingoBoingo: What the fuck
ben_vulpes: with the eraser on tthe ass of a #2
trinque: so this vac-u-loc thing, does it ummm... unlock?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: what was the deal with the gpg sig thing ?!
asciilifeform catching up on log
ben_vulpes: pebkac
trinque closes the tab before the phrase "jelly dongs" destroys him
BingoBoingo: What doesn blob from hell mean in the context above?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246633 << ahahahahahaha. happened! just, sideways.
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:22:08; mircea_popescu: Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высше
trinque: BingoBoingo: fail-katamari of open source
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i *do* hope to get to genesis. am remiss.
asciilifeform: holy fuck is assbot broken.
Vexual: down from here
asciilifeform: or possibly just my client.
asciilifeform: (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic)
ben_vulpes: mess of \nums
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (who else just saw a mountain of rubbish instead of cyrillic) << me
phf: asciilifeform: broke
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah, I though maybe ben_vulpes was suffering a Hamplanet attached to his pubes
asciilifeform: mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance)
trinque: BingoBoingo: he would never
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:04:39; pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4
BingoBoingo: But THEY would attack him
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they don't dare come near
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: your diff is correct (only timestamps at variance) << right on. thanks for the tip about locale.
trinque imagines a charging hoarde cresting a hill, falling over, wheezing
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244903 << staff found plaintext passwords in a new client's database
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:09:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
ben_vulpes: and five minutes later, found the commit wherein previous slaves had "fixed tests"
ben_vulpes: the fix?
ben_vulpes: many octothorpes.
ben_vulpes: approximately one for every assertion.
ben_vulpes: at the beginning of each line.
trinque: bwahaha
phf: if i had a dollar for ever password in a database i've fixed. oh wait i have
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lady v approves of your ashley madison article title
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a) << may you experience many mild unpleasantnesses
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244973 << on another client thinger recently i saw a pull request that replaced naive iteration through the list of files as provided by the ruby fs abstraction with an iteration over a hand-curated list of files because "differences between linux and os x"
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
ben_vulpes: there is no end to /the retardation/
ben_vulpes: hai Birdman
Birdman: hello ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: howya
Birdman: im well
ben_vulpes: any nyooz?
ben_vulpes: wee benkay running around nyc, drinking beers in public not giving a shit about things
ben_vulpes: *woop woop* cab pulls a uie on 14th
Vexual: fucking guiliani
ben_vulpes: there i stand shocked and inebriated at this turn of events
ben_vulpes: (inebriated, and shocked)
ben_vulpes: charges eventually dismissed because entropy can't in2 my dumb ass
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 07:21:28; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK
mircea_popescu: today i learned ass-russian mostly consists of fractions of a Ð. о, м etc
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245234 << i was once busted by this lolzatron! << Rural privilege
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 11:15:47; jurov: !t m f.mpif
asciilifeform: hanbot awake?
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot also had the out-of-order thing with genesis
asciilifeform: while folks are awake, i would like to pose the question,
asciilifeform: of what to do with timestamps.
ben_vulpes: recap plz?
ben_vulpes: i humbly submit for poor log-following canings.
ben_vulpes: but timestamp recap plz? or link?
asciilifeform: basic choices reduce to a) let'em live and pollute diffs b) tear'em out c) copy from filesystem timestamps of originals somehow
ben_vulpes: raaaaaa
ben_vulpes: in output of 'diff'?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see mod6's link earlier.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: basic boojum here is that no two diffs ever diff cleanly on account of timestamps.
asciilifeform: try it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the timestamps are truly meaningless here.
mircea_popescu: code is timeless or not code.
ben_vulpes: omit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are not ~entirely~ meaningless, in that they impose an ordering. BUT my antecedent hashes do that now.
mircea_popescu: blocktime
mircea_popescu: ironically, it is b-a that has the first and so far only actual application of "blockchain technology"
asciilifeform: at any rate, they can't be removed entirely because epoch0 is 'magic' to diff
asciilifeform: (means absent file)
asciilifeform: but all non-0 stamps could be replaced with some arbitrary.
asciilifeform: though iirc diff will complain whenever a file on the local filesystem is being replaced with 'older'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.000676 = 34.8816 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there is that
ben_vulpes: is it me or is that kinda dumb?
mircea_popescu: doesn't it have a switch to supress timestamps in output ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not gnu diff...
asciilifeform: funnily, i was never able to get the custom format string feature in gnu diff to work with the -uNr standard
asciilifeform: it balks.
asciilifeform: go, try.
ben_vulpes: (in other news coracle at 338451)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that thing is on what, a sat dish?
asciilifeform: dialup ?
mircea_popescu: so basically diff is, much like gpg, not actually usable.
mats: whats a coracle
asciilifeform: dingdingding
mircea_popescu: for a long list of reasons, some of which can be diddled
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a winner
asciilifeform: mats: stone age fishing boat
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody ever tried to use diff at all,
asciilifeform: mats: think 'tub'
mircea_popescu: which is a harder proposition than nobody ever used gpg.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aws abortion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we might be the first to seriously diff a diff
mats: but this context
mircea_popescu: mats the name he gave his node
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone's suggestion seems to be "hey, use perl! bash script! fuck my sister she's a slut anyway!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amusing thing is that you seem to think that *you're* the pauper hereabouts
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wat
ben_vulpes: with your servers and trunk conections
ben_vulpes: connectinos
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245575 << you may wait quite a while for that ok, boss
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 18:23:28; mike_c: i consider it simply, the foundation says so.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just have good geography. a benjie a month buys ~80Mbit here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, would --label fix it ?
ben_vulpes: i don't consider bitcoin production ready in any of the incarnations that i've seen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope
asciilifeform: doesn't affect date
asciilifeform: also recall that not only 'diff' is retarded, but 'patch' !
asciilifeform: they are different sides of the same medal.
mircea_popescu: your vdiff won't be able to be a script.
ben_vulpes: i've taken to using the -d flag with patch *always*
asciilifeform: presently it is a 1liner that invokes classical diff
asciilifeform: and then massages the output
ben_vulpes: otherwise the damn thing can't figure its own arse out from my elbow
asciilifeform: (i assume all have read it by now)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have been deliberately dancing around the spitoon-drinking that reimplementing 'diff' and 'patch' would be.
mircea_popescu: vdiff/vpatch.
asciilifeform: oh vpatch is unavoidable
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:03:57; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245343 << come to think of it, yes my browsers have also been much slower at loading the log ever since the color change
mircea_popescu: yeah. hey, anyone looking for something to do that'd be useful and also an incredible walk on coals ?
asciilifeform: but presently (unpublished) it is ordinary patch and an extra bit to check antecedent
asciilifeform: in ada.
asciilifeform: (walk on coals)
mircea_popescu: haha not in ada, just, they'll have to publish it and we'll go "omfg you can't be this stupid, redo it" like 50 times.
asciilifeform: idk about the lot of you, but i am not inclined to play 'underhanded c contest' for this.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what's 50% of the conversation in my household for the first x months of the life of a new girl anyway
asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu could easily include ada in the gurlz training and no one will notice the difference
ben_vulpes: vacation is over
mircea_popescu: except the one whose name's ada.
ben_vulpes: (hyu!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for her especially this was made.
mircea_popescu: btw, was it actually named for the lucky strike smoker chick ?
asciilifeform: 'this is your terminal, countess lovelace.'
asciilifeform: babbage's gf.
mircea_popescu: secretary!
asciilifeform: sekretute.
asciilifeform: (do you have those in ro?)
mircea_popescu: it's actually what secretary means in romanian.
asciilifeform can picture.
mircea_popescu: (also let me mention here, as this may come as a suprirse to my western friends - that in romanian classical society, as well as for that matter most of eastern europe, as well as for that matter all of europe in an earlier, simpler time - it was the height of poor taste for a woman to refuse sexual congress, and a pointed declaration of personal infirmity. sort-of like saying you can't read without your glasses
mircea_popescu: as such it was both uncommon and undiscussed.)
asciilifeform: but this came with the #include of cocks of low rank not daring to ask
mircea_popescu: mostly, yes. more effectually, it came with the #include that you'll be a father to her kids.
asciilifeform: doesn't work terribly well without both #include
mircea_popescu: well at the time being a father was moreover pleasant.
mircea_popescu: also #included.
mircea_popescu: also, this was mostly before syphilis.
asciilifeform: this also.
mircea_popescu: which - another thing very little known. that importation was the bane of europe.
asciilifeform: pretty well-known!
asciilifeform: what is this
mircea_popescu: i don't think any disaster hence has had such a chilling impact on society.
mircea_popescu: orly ? ask around.
asciilifeform: c'mon, fucking beethoven, even
mircea_popescu: ask.around.
asciilifeform shudders
asciilifeform: the last time i 'asked around', i discovered folks who didn't know who won ww2.
mircea_popescu: then do not protest my rarities!
asciilifeform bbl, eating food
mircea_popescu: fun fact, since for some reason i'm doing history now. romania's head rabi (niemirower) died in 1940. he was succeded by one alex safran, who was 29 at that time. and by virtue of being head rabi, the young man also had an ex officio seat in the romanian senate. but for not being yet 40 years of age as the senate required, he asked for, and obtained, a special derrogation from the high chamber of cassation. and was sea
mircea_popescu: 1940, romania, etc.
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