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asciilifeform: does anyone consider this a problem?
asciilifeform: please write in.
asciilifeform hoses off chopping block, washing off blood, piss, feathers, from today's gavins
thestringpuller: so i'm on this 1000 calorie deficit diet which requires me to burn an extra 1000 calories a day. damn this shit is no joke.
thestringpuller: eating 2000 calories and burning 3000
Vexual: ;;later tell Naphex poker sites, or a pokerstars hat
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who is still using testnet? and for what?
Vexual: thestringpuller: you oughta burn more than 3k
Vexual: eat 10 burn 5
Vexual: or 10
Vexual: enless you wanna live to 100
Vexual: protip: you don't
Vexual: 72 is ideal
Vexual: viagra still works, and you can ride a scooter inn italy
Vexual: .baito
Vexual: mp any more pasta girls?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65350 @ 0.00042328 = 27.6613 BTC [+]
Vexual: trinque>?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85650 @ 0.00040335 = 34.5469 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
Vexual: you must be pretty fucking sitstill to only burn 3000
Vexual: i dont see it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aw i was going to cut that one out meself
assbot: a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9cUCd )
Vexual: no money, no family
Vexual: setgen true
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if i'd like to bootstrap a thermonuke off your previously mentioned node, do i need whitelisting?
Vexual: add it
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in
Vexual: corvette muzique
ben_vulpes: Vexual: myeah nice
Vexual: do you even mine << pank
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: 190.172.13.251 is dead << confirmed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes well it seems an entire intricacy with stacked nat routers
mircea_popescu: im evidently not set up to support teh esteemed efforts of the republic over here. working on it.
mircea_popescu: testnet does not have any actual uses as it is.
Vexual: !up george its open
ben_vulpes: furthermore it's diverged significantly in behavior from 'mainnet'
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: it has, which is what makes it useless.
mats: it'd be great if you all would assess how drunk Vexual is before upping him
Vexual: good luck forking testnet
Vexual: maxint always friend
ben_vulpes: it's just another altcoin at this point
ben_vulpes: mats: i do it just to annoy you
ben_vulpes: and dearest kako
mircea_popescu: assess how, balmer point ?
mats: sure
ben_vulpes: complex differential eqns those
ben_vulpes: hey pete d'you have a node to throw into la serenissima's syncing party?
pete_dushenski: there's a syncing party ?
pete_dushenski scrolls up
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173112 << lol. like the derps at the city here who 'improved asphalt techmologee' by making is less durable.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 02:00:13; asciilifeform: 'the chocolate ration has increased from 100 to 50g...'
ben_vulpes: "your share of bitcoin has increased from n/21e9 to n/42e9"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay ? i have a 0.7.2 at 222'868
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173219 << quite so. taleb blames 'the bankers' and 'the revolving door between federal politics and megacorp industry' while failing to take his accusations to their next logical step : popular democracy.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:10:59; mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand that he's battling westerners that have joined the choir invisible centuries ago.
pete_dushenski: taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil.
pete_dushenski: this, despite being a notable proponent of burke.
pete_dushenski: and burke, to my reading, is no fan of the common man and an advocate of monarchy.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:22:02; mircea_popescu: and THAT is where taleb engages traditionalism - where it matters. nobody is still left at the wheel who can talk back, so nobody does, all that's left is a cargo cult of the dead st. thomas, trudging along.
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 03:11:09; Hasimir: the problem I have with the rarity of black swans is they nest in the lake across the road every spring ...
assbot: Stalking Black Swans In Canberra: The City Of Plans | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqJVg1 )
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: does the node have to be synced already to join the partay << no.
mircea_popescu: but it has to be on a publicly accessible ip, port 8333 open
pete_dushenski: cazalla: ah yes, home of csirac and that very bizarrely shaped costco store
cazalla: ya know they include that in real estate ads here now.. "close to schools, transport, costco"
pete_dushenski: you're like america jr. jr. the third !
cazalla: yeah, i never thought i'd see ham planets walking into costco with my own eyes.. i should snap some pics for BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking.
pete_dushenski: s/than/that
cazalla: but we have lil' china, lil' italy, so why not large america?
pete_dushenski: makes sense given how much more physical space each american occupies compared to each italian and chinaman
cazalla: !up Keefe
mircea_popescu: cazalla do you use info@qntra.net ?
cazalla: nope
mircea_popescu: buncha emails outbound.
cazalla: spam?
cazalla: lol 250mb of it
mircea_popescu: so didja lose a pw or what ?
cazalla: what do you mean
mircea_popescu: how did someone end up sending spam off qntra server is what i mean
cazalla: would appear it started around june 14th of this month
cazalla: to the best of my knowledge i've not leaked the password
mircea_popescu: i see june 22
ag3nt_zer0: I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I
ag3nt_zer0: liquidated thinking it will continue to sink...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://i.imgur.com/KjnyoQA.png 8000 or so of those beginning june 14th
cazalla: pages that is
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck
mircea_popescu: dude....
cazalla: can't you check logs to see who logged in on that day and few proceeding it?
mircea_popescu: i dun have your pws.
cazalla: you must because you gpg'd the new one to me when servers went down after the dmca bullshits with trilema
mircea_popescu: you think i keep all that ?
mircea_popescu: at any rate, delete that account.
mircea_popescu: see if you have new php files anywhere, etc.
cazalla: isn't this just a case of someone (likely guy who ddos joiners here) sending out spam from another server but spoofing return address so qntra email gets hammered with delivery fail spam?
cazalla: has qntra server even been sending mail?
mircea_popescu: a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email
mircea_popescu: did you create that account ?
cazalla: don't remember but likely
cazalla: can't log in to cpanel to delete email addy now
mircea_popescu: didja give it a strong pw ?
cazalla: whatever cpanel autogenerates
mircea_popescu: Authentication:dovecot_login
mircea_popescu: apparently they guessed your pw.
cazalla: for info@qntra.net?
cazalla: you'd wanna make sure because i don't, and have not, created my own passwords for some time
cazalla: nor do i have a passwords.txt sitting on the desktop
mircea_popescu: i dunno how i'd make sure of such a thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80651 @ 0.00042358 = 34.1622 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: fucking mess.
mircea_popescu: 1(213.17.193.245)[188.252.64.178] info@qntra.net spamfight.mdsnet.it[81.208.4.144]
mircea_popescu: 1([127.0.0.1])[113.165.162.6] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.133.26]
mircea_popescu: 1(actorsivakumar.com)[69.162.107.83] info@qntra.net gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
mircea_popescu: etc etc etFUCKINGc
cazalla: not much new in backups i've made so no new php files http://dpaste.com/1NNK6CK.txt
mircea_popescu: yeah it's not a php thing, seems 100% certain it simply guessed the credentials for that acct, used them for pop3
cazalla: i might've used something weak when creating it but again, it's not something i do so i don't really know what else to say
mircea_popescu: well, i deleted > 50k messages from queue, the email in question, and hopefully gmail, yahoo and everyone else will at some point forget the fact that i spammed them to shit for the first time in my life.
cazalla: mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet
cazalla: so when you say guessed the credentials, has the person simply guessed the password or had a hash of it and cracked that?
mircea_popescu: most likely the former.
assbot: dpaste: 36H4FD1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaAVuC )
mircea_popescu: Jun 23 02:27:40 dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<info@qntra.net>, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=10940, secured, session=<K5i5f
mircea_popescu: definitely was broken pw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258100 @ 0.00041448 = 106.9773 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fy84Jo )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks like i'm going to have a (full chain) bitcoin up in a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: this is an up to date historical (2011) copy of the blockchain.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66601 @ 0.00042624 = 28.388 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.00042824 = 7.6437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00042824 = 34.8159 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a 50 eur payment for me ?
fluffypony: credit card or wire?
mircea_popescu: paypal o.O
mircea_popescu: derpy blender foundation lives in 2001
fluffypony: pm me detials
fluffypony: *details
assbot: Development Fund - blender.org - Home of the Blender project - Free and Open 3D Creation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiAuy5 )
fluffypony: ok looks like it'll be a subscription, so it's 50 EUR/month that comes off PP automagically till I cancel it
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you in reasonable advance when to cancel it.
fluffypony: Your purchase was successfulPayments By PayPal
fluffypony: DescriptionTermsAmount
fluffypony: Blender Development Fund
fluffypony: €50.00 EUR for each month
fluffypony: Effective Date: 23 Jun 2015€50.00 EUR
mircea_popescu: cool. what's the damage and send addy.
fluffypony: let me email them the link, gimme a sec
mircea_popescu: no rush.
fluffypony: hokay emailed
fluffypony: FNB :-) R710.38 reserved for purchase @ Paypal *blenderfund from cheq a/c
fluffypony: https://bitx.co says 1 BTC = ZAR 3 394
mircea_popescu: that's... 10x ?
fluffypony: 0.2093 BTC
mircea_popescu: oh, 3.4k nm
mircea_popescu: yeh sounds about right
fluffypony: 1s2fF7uw5Fsh5Dzu7mP7ccbKM9jFZk89q
mircea_popescu: aite, you'll have it in a few.
mircea_popescu: nono, ty.
fluffypony: pleasure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00040353 = 31.6368 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu
fluffypony: Thanks for the donation. The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking on blender.org. Please give a link to a page with your personal info (contact info) or that of your company.
fluffypony: Regards,
fluffypony: -Ton-
fluffypony: k replied
mircea_popescu: sooo... coinbase sells ads through buysell ads, and wants to get 20 bucks cpm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60765 @ 0.00039851 = 24.2155 BTC [-]
assbot: ClubOrlov: Pop goes the Bubble ... ( http://bit.ly/1eFEi0d )
funkenstein_: new Cohen piece worth a read
asciilifeform: 'The rate would like to go negative, but it can't. Because, you know, that's the kind of debt even I wouldn't turn down (by the way, I don't have any debt). It's the kind of debt where you give me your money, and then you keep paying me periodically to hold on to it, or spend it, or gamble it away—that's none of your business—until forever, because I have no intention of ever paying you back; I'll just keep rolling it over
asciilifeform: at ever more negative interest rates, and you will have to go on lowering them, because if you don't I might cut down on my gambling and crash the financial system again. If you agree to these terms, then you might as well also give away your wallet and your car keys—just to see what happens.'
mircea_popescu: maybe they give him a diesel engine.
asciilifeform: l0l it looks like he got his engine.
assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxfNbh )
mircea_popescu: i pay 0.1!
kakobrekla: The page you want to link doesn't comply to the standards for linking.
mircea_popescu: omaigerd
kakobrekla: its live but size is wrong
kakobrekla: same thing as last time, 486 instead 468
mircea_popescu: and i thought you were kidding fml
kakobrekla: fixed
kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold
assbot: BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhiGo )
assbot: PGP Poster - cem ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxhXrr )
mircea_popescu: was in teh log
fluffypony: oh ok
assbot: Blog | TradeBlock ... ( http://bit.ly/1fx1fTr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67164 @ 0.00041133 = 27.6266 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: Trusty Thermonuke stalled for lack of seeds at block 182383 last night
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: debug.log plz
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i'm a derp and used "connect" instead of "addnode"
ascii_field: lol ok
ascii_field: btw 'connect' also prevents inbound.
ascii_field: as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes
ascii_field: (that is, ones used as 'hot' wallet, etc)
ben_vulpes: hm, and yet it added addrs to its addr.dat it allears.
ascii_field: and yes, a 'connect' node lives - and dies - by the other end
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: iirc it still collects seeds so it can spit them back if asked for some
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no reason to hurry
ascii_field: also didn't i give example arguments in ml ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: did my node work for ya?
mod6: So this is interesting: I was able to use my gcc patch successfully against my AWS instance which has an AMI that utilizes a stage3-uclibc-hardened from 20150510. And meanwhile, trinque was helping me test to ensure I'm not doing something totally retarded, and on his side he was using the Physical hardware steps where it says to pull the latest (which should be 20150610) stage3-uclibc-hardened.
mod6: the Gentoo patches for gcc 4.8.4 changed during this interval from v1.5 to v1.6. Nothing special here. Wonder if there are this many changes to old ebuilds all the time?
mod6: Anyway, trinque wasn't even able to apply my patch successfully on his side.
mod6: Going to continue on with this, just an update.
lobbes: ascii_field: probably would just be easier to have scoopbot do it, but I got lobbesbot reading Phuctor's rss feed. If you feel inclined, give him a rate and I'll set him up to announce.
jurov: !gettrust assbot lobbesbot
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbesbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=lobbesbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/lobbesbot/
jurov: !rate lobbesbot 1 piece of zamak
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bff9f33d30df9729
jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.lobbesbot.1:e86048b8b939f767104e5f5503607223701718768b0ca106edf8596d1b4255e0
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: piece of zamak
funkenstein_: http://i.imgur.com/oVHUpPy.jpg
trinque: funkenstein_: literally anyone off the street
funkenstein_: trinque, lol i wonder what whoever made the poster was trying to tell us.. with the choice of uncle sam
jurov: that's clear "usg wants you"
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.23, Best ask: 244.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.23, 24 hour volume: 11849.7222125, 24 hour low: 242.0, 24 hour high: 247.99, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: trinque: after i rebooted using "addnode" instead of "connect" directives, the thing has 7 connections and is happily munching block
ben_vulpes: blocks*
ben_vulpes: 184387 blocks, btw)
trinque: munching block << hue
assbot: Graph: M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2JEg2 )
ben_vulpes: (from trinque)
assbot: Bitcoin’s Ironic Crisis — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzbdgV )
mircea_popescu: who is known as mats ?
mats: i had two successive brain farts while talking to nickserv
mats: plz ignore
jurov: looks like we now know your password
mod6: anyone wanna sell 2 Wooly Mushrooms?
mod6: oops, wrong window
mod6: so i'm building gcc 4.9.2 on gentoo with uclibc & hardened (PIE). if it builds ok, then I'll give building v0.5.3.1-RELEASE a try - maybe this version won't have the same issue...
mircea_popescu: flamingcows ? srsly ?
mats: i meant to perform /nickserv info flamingcows
mats: since we're all curious now
trinque: bahaha
trinque: no one could've anticipated flaming cows
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assbot: Fort Minor - Welcome [360 Version] (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLV9hL )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173510 <<< this is mine.. should be good to go provided i resubmit with resolves yes on either on either intent or confirmation yeah?
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 13:21:19; kakobrekla: >Seal the Deal < lold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89068 @ 0.00040291 = 35.8864 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: What the CoinWallet.eu tx-flood stress-test means for you and how to deal with it ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jh41ZQ )
kakobrekla: that 'coinwallet' looks like scam
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152350 @ 0.0004009 = 61.0771 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman do they have a "how not to care" guide now on github ?!
ben_vulpes: eeey, so software, am i right?
ben_vulpes: have you guys ever thought about software
ben_vulpes: it's not soft
ben_vulpes: and you can't wear it!
ben_vulpes: i'll brb - gotta submit something to the Crap Store
mircea_popescu: i hope it's a joke app
mircea_popescu: these idiots i swear. "o noes, a bunch of jokers put in a quarter of a cent on a bunch of txn, because they figure it's cheap publicity. everyone willing to pay more than 0.01% of what bank transfers cost is unaffected"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: so apparently 'linux support' in modern scientific instrumentation means 'you can, maybe, write own driver in a week by studying pieces of the broken turd we published five hw revisions ago'
mircea_popescu: haha. well... linux is a hobby, right ? those crazy kids enjoy derping wit h code. this is how to best support them
ascii_field keeps coming back to the thought that if 'adult' computer were to exist, folks would snap it up even if it were something close to, e.g., pdp-11 in horsepower
trinque: I've said this!
trinque: gimme teh S.NSA box, and I don't care how slow it is
ascii_field: the observation is by no means original to me
ascii_field: trinque: 'don't care' is strong statement - you probably want it to verify blocks in <10min, etc
ascii_field: and to address enough storage to make this criterion even meaningful
trinque: well... maybe all "it" does is talk to that which is doing the block verification
ascii_field: trinque: then it isn't a computer
ascii_field: but a terminal
ascii_field: go, buy one now.
mircea_popescu: funny how the definition of "usable computer" now includes "blocks <10min"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that was your maxim
ascii_field: incidentally.
mircea_popescu: o hey, it was, wasn't it.
trinque: I just want something which can derp text buffers
trinque: and shoop them somewhere else, if I'm real lucky
ben_vulpes: schmid: yw
ben_vulpes: !up sch
ben_vulpes: hmph.
assbot: Deficit spending dependencies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cre1I8 )
pete_dushenski: working on another re: treblinka
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: lol scoopbot dead again ?
ben_vulpes: where is the scoop anyways
ben_vulpes: ;;seen scoopbot_revived
gribble: scoopbot_revived was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <scoopbot_revived> Changing the BitBet resolution process. http://trilema.com/2015/changing-the-bitbet-resolution-process/
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell williamdunne ^^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scoopy is away with williamdunne on vacation
ascii_field: isn't this how gribble was lowered into pederasty ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: moar movie reviews plz
pete_dushenski: i guess i need to watch more because i review at least half the ones i see
mod6: gcc on it's 4th hour of compiling...
pete_dushenski: http://megaprocessor.com/progress.html << one for alf. and, of course, log readers everywhere
assbot: HomePage ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdbWVw )
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 17:00:58; ascii_field: punkman: cray-I and many other machines of the period were built in precisely that way.
ascii_field: no one will be making 'blocks in <10min' box with discretes.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field in my defense, my link is unique !
trinque: bleh do I load the feeds plugin on mine again?
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
lobbes: !up lobbesbot
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
trinque: lobbes: you gonna scoop the scoops?
trinque: sweet.
lobbes: I could, though before I take that on I gotta learn how to get lobbesbot to !up himself
lobbes: jurov rated him, so he's able. But I'm too dumb to figure out how to view private messages sent to him
trinque: up to you
mircea_popescu: open them like they were a chan ?
lobbes: well, my issue thus far is that I'm running lobbesbot on a aws instance seperate from my edis bouncer instance, so the only way I can currently see privmsgs sent to it are by checking messages.log (however, this only returns up to the first 'space' in the string)
trinque: side note, I don't hate the idea of interacting with something like IRC via simple file IO
trinque: artifexd: gossipd when!
trinque: dunno if there's a futureware I think about more
assbot: ii | suckless.org tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1Crh0QM )
trinque: punkman: nice, the kind of thing I'd expect on suckess.org
pete_dushenski: "Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina."
pete_dushenski: now sales are through the roof for confederate flags.
assbot: Nukeman ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdiJ1y )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: confederate us survive
assbot: Silicon Exposed: Getting my feet wet with invasive attacks, part 1: Target recon ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj0lf )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ^ of interest to all 'xilinx' aficionados
assbot: Game From Scratch | GameDev made easy...ish. Game programming starts here. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdj4RM )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: remember 'adventure construction set' and the later msdos 'adventure construction kit' ?
ascii_field: http://mozomedia.com/ack/aboutack << apparently ported (sorta) to modern archs
assbot: Adventure Creation Kit » About ACK ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdjmrQ )
mircea_popescu: sorta like the GACK
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: azonenberg:xilinx:xc2c32a [Silicon Pr0n] ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdkxI1 )
ascii_field wonders if anybody's tried neutronograph of these things
mod6: no such luck with gcc 4.9.2 -- gcc compiled fine, but ran into the same problem as with 4.8.4: http://dpaste.com/368J5K7.txt
mod6: might try gcc-5.1.0 next.
mod6: if that doens't work, then truly will have to get everything in sync and shoe-horn our own patch while all the stage3 stuff is up to speed.
mod6: (in sync with what's current)
mod6: any strong objectsions against 5.1.0?
mod6: there is an ebuild for gcc/uclibc/hardened version gcc-3.4.6-r2
mod6: if anyone thinks we should try that first.
mircea_popescu: might work
ben_vulpes: i'm biased against moving forwards in time
ben_vulpes: newer software is just more broken in more exciting ways
trinque: ruuuuust
mod6: ok well... i guess that settles that then, i'll build 3.4.6 next.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00041586 = 32.8529 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: oh cool
ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
ben_vulpes: but if you install it locally, it just quietly fails to run the tests
ben_vulpes: FUCK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS SHITPIEL
jurov: that's helluva groupie
mod6: so gcc-3.4.6-r2 will not build with "hardened" set as an option, although uclibc can still be used. we do want "hardened" i would think.
mod6: for PIE
mats: asciilifeform: neat
mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?
pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived liveth !
mod6: looks like many of the much older < 4.3 ebuilds don't allow for hardened (unless I'm mistaken here). I'm gonna try 4.5.4.
mod6: If this dones't help (i doubt it will), I'll need to make another AMI with a recent stage3 and try to shoehorn in this gcc patch I made.
mircea_popescu: shitpiel lol
mod6: hahah
mod6: ok that build is going... should take ~4 hours.
mod6: i can't even imagine how long it would take on that POS box i bought. probably 16.
mod6: or more
trinque: mod6: once there's a rubber-stamped set of packages, there's a way to create binary packages on gentoo
trinque: and then reuse those elsewhere
trinque: not that others shouldn't rebuild, but rather that there'll at least be a way to quickly stand up a new dev environment later, if ya want it
trinque: dev/test/etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00040045 = 3.3638 BTC [-]
mod6: ah ok.
mircea_popescu: o hey wd lobbes
assbot: Wal-Mart, American bellwether, and the Confederate flag - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuCMd9 )
pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ?
pete_dushenski: i mean really
williamdunne: Hello all
pete_dushenski: williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;)
pete_dushenski: welcome home !
williamdunne: Thanks :)
williamdunne: He now also has NSA's RSS feed
williamdunne: Well, Phuctors
mats: asciilifeform: is there any useful automation for reversing from si?
asciilifeform: mats: there were experiments with standard cell libs & ocr. sadly i haven't any links handy
asciilifeform: mats: the physical part of the process is the real bitch
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 22:38:48; mats: asciilifeform: friend of yours?
mats: when you've got a chance, i'd like a look at some of those links
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173698 << wtf is that. for a sec i thought it had to do with bitcoin nodes, but turns out it's some random turd, l0l
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 22:27:30; ben_vulpes: so jasmine-node installed globally across a user's system isn't accessible from /within/ the node environment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00040375 = 11.3656 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nukeman looks like a solid computer
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu do we have a seed yet ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2015#1173727 << the folks dragged into the star chamber thus far, afaik, are not 'the brightest bulbs'
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ?
asciilifeform: but, for example, bernard von nothaus.
mod6: ok gcc 4.5.4 is built... trying...
asciilifeform: wrong link, oops
asciilifeform: or hm, there isn't a link.
asciilifeform: site is br0k3n
assbot: Protecting Us From A 'Terrorist' Who Made Pure Silver Coins: The Bernard von NotHaus Case - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LsKgyG )
asciilifeform: ^ there.
mod6: 4.5.4 failed to build just as the others did: http://dpaste.com/0P88CGV.txt
mod6: guess like we're gonna have to get this patch to work
mod6 creates new AMI with updated stage3
asciilifeform: ... /net.cpp:240: warning: gethostbyname is obsolescent, use getnameinfo() instead. << this is pre-dnsnuke, aha ?
mod6: yah
mod6: this is just v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + { Gentoo Sanity Patches }
asciilifeform: with uclibc ?
mod6: yeah
mod6: and PIE
asciilifeform: iirc uclibc only supports pthread after a certain version
asciilifeform: didja try the 'recompile with -fPIC' thing ?
mod6: well, i tried v4.9.2 and that didn't work either.
mod6: and ben didn't like the idea of using anything >4.8.4
mod6: and old version such as 3.4.6-r2 dones't work because no "hardening" such as PIE
asciilifeform: speaking of uclibc here, rather than gcc
mod6: yeah, weeks ago I did try to recompile with -fPIC
mod6: didn't help anything.
asciilifeform: what was the output ?
mod6: we're still dealing with this error.
mod6: i dunno, i dont have it handy.
mod6: i can add -fPIC in there quick and try again though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.0003984 = 24.9797 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: ok with you if i just do like:
mod6: HARDENING+=-fPIE -pie -fPIC
mod6: ?
mod6: ok
mod6: ok comiling
mod6: *compiling
mod6: last i recall i did this, i got the exact same message...
mod6: maybe im wrong about that.
mod6: well, and it was with gcc 4.8.4, not 4.5.4 (as it is now)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33235 @ 0.00040225 = 13.3688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00039514 = 75.5903 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: yeah exact same message, but i don't see the -fPIC flag in there... maybe im not adding that in there correctly?
asciilifeform: mod6: post makefile ?
mod6: ok sure, will post makefile
asciilifeform: and it's uclibc that has to be recompiled with that flag
asciilifeform: not bitcoin
mod6: ohh.
mod6: makefile (for bitcoin ^)
asciilifeform: now try rebuilding uclibc with it...
mod6: ok.
mod6: trinque: any idea how to do that? (recompile uclibc with a specific flag?)
asciilifeform: slip it in its makefile
trinque: sounds like ebuild munging
asciilifeform: !up thestringpuller
trinque: mod6: could patch the Makefile using that patches mechanism
asciilifeform: in cases like this, i build the old-fashioned way and only then screw with ebuilds
mod6: hmm.
asciilifeform: (esp. considering that we will eventually 'vendor' - to use ben_vulpes's terminology - uclibc)
mod6: i usually do that too.
trinque: yeah, makes sense
thestringpuller: thx asciilifeform i accidentally msg'd you instead of assbot
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: been watching this dumb netflix show "Orange is the new black" the russian mobster woman says a lot of the same stuff you do.
asciilifeform: l0l wut
thestringpuller: well for instance she was talking about valentina tereshkova, and said something like, "She's petitioning putin to go to mars, cause the russians, they stay focused"
asciilifeform does not remember saying this
thestringpuller: i guess it's more of a "vibe" kinda thing. the "doesn't fuck around staying focused" kinda vibe.
thestringpuller: anti-chumpatron is the only term i can think of
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mats http://cmosfold.blogspot.com/2013/01/ftdi-ft232rl.html << possibly also of interest
assbot: CMOSfold: FTDI FT232RL ... ( http://bit.ly/1deKkmW )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ also re: the old 'real asic or not' threads
mod6: trinque: you think what i'm looking for (at least the ebuilds for uclibc) are in here? /usr/portage/sys-libs/uclibc?
trinque: that's where the ebuilds are
trinque: the build-stuff is in /var/tmp/portage
trinque: there's probably a flag to have it dump out the goods there, but not build
trinque: if not you could maybe start the build then kill it, then go there and hax
mod6: huh, how do i even figure out what version of uclibc I'm using?
trinque: mod6: equery tells you that, I think, and lots of other useful stuff
mod6: ok we'll take this back to pm
mod6: ok found it: libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
mod6: think something like this will work?
mod6: asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: result?
mod6: it's building now...
mod6: (uclibc)
BingoBoingo: Apparently Luke-Jr has a node version census thing which unlike bitnodes.io isn't limiting itself completely to Hearniated nodes http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html
mod6: asciilifeform: uClibc built & completed install.
mod6: rebuilding btc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for some reason i don't see the total count...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0748 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: yeah. not the best tool but seems like a less shitty effort to show version strings offered by things purporting to be bitcoin nodes
mod6: i got the same error as before asciilifeform. maybe i screwed something up.
mod6: i'll try again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93900 @ 0.00039489 = 37.0802 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: well, so here's the deal. I can't get it to compile "by hand". meaning, that if i extract the 2 bzip'd files for uclibc: uClibc-0.9.33.2.tar.bz2 & uClibc-0.9.33.2-patches.tar.bz2 and then patch the former with the latter with something like this: for i in `ls ../patch/*.patch | sort` ; do patch -p1 < ../patch/$i ; done
mod6: it patches cleanly, and then I add -fPIC to the makefile as shown before.
mod6: but then it doesn't compile.
mod6: if I add a simple patch file for the -fPIC to /etc/portage/patches/sys-lib/<patchfile> and then emerge uclibc, then it builds, but the outcome is the same of the bitcoind compilation
asciilifeform: mod6: post the build log from 'doesn't compile' ?
mod6: sure.
mod6: gotta re-run it. just a sc.
mod6: oh and during a "manual" build, it pops up with a ncurses config screen, i just used the defaults.
mod6: although one thing in there allows for usage of arc4random (a note for later maybe) but i left it unselected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00040547 = 24.166 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: in the menuconfig, this is selected by default:
mod6: [*] Generate only Position Independent Code (PIC) (NEW)
mod6: this is what the help screen says for this option ^^
mod6: uClibc-0.9.33.2 # grep "DOPIC" .config
mod6: DOPIC=y
mod6: anyway, ran it again, same error. and it looks to me that PIC should be compiled in by default.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00039446 = 49.6625 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: and I can confirm that the ebuild has DOPIC=y in it's default .config: http://dpaste.com/1GB0GFK.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96350 @ 0.0004091 = 39.4168 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169828 @ 0.00041106 = 69.8095 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits
assbot: A month with BADONIONS ... ( http://bit.ly/1HehAXH )
asciilifeform: mod6: thus far i'm stumped. will probably have to replicate your entire setup to get to the bottom of this (assuming you haven't yet)
mod6: i havent yet.
mod6: tomorrow i'm going to create a new gentoo AMI with the stage3 from 20150610
mod6: then i can start over i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coupla days is apparently like two weeks. blockchain's about 1/4 there tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: should revv up just in time for somebody to finally make sense of the static build thing, lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wanted to use perhaps the oldest chain still in continuous existence
mircea_popescu: so it's a little like parking in an elevator.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did you use for a node anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159535 @ 0.00041611 = 66.3841 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this comes from an actual node.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes, but what's in there? mircea_popescu's pdp-11 port ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that.
asciilifeform: ok so it.
asciilifeform: it'll be an honour, to sync from that!
mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda why i'm bothering. this is the mother of them all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00041704 = 22.8955 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform wonders how mircea_popescubitcoind compares with therealbitcoin_asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: i just watched giant
mircea_popescu: it's a movie about old texas families
mircea_popescu: eventually people get old, so they sit around an' compare.
asciilifeform used to work with a buncha those
asciilifeform: 'my diffraction structures...' 'nah, ~my~ neutronograms...' etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00041584 = 2.495 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Logged on 23-06-2015 23:47:40; pete_dushenski: does anyone ever not sign the papers ? <<< nobody you'd ever hear about.
mircea_popescu: kinda like asking whether any "movie star" is ever not under contract.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would she be a movie star if she weren't ?
asciilifeform: von nothaus ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88350 @ 0.00041836 = 36.9621 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: (sf twist! mircea_popescu's bitcoind is therealbitcoin 1.000, transmitted backwards in time!!1111!!1)
mircea_popescu: tachyon man i'm tachyon man
mircea_popescu: i can walk backwards faster than you can
mircea_popescu: IN TIME!
asciilifeform: 'doing the things the tachyon can!'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18581 @ 0.00041568 = 7.7238 BTC [-] {2}
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