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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122849 @ 0.00032957 = 40.4873 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00033021 = 12.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79424 @ 0.00033021 = 26.2266 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118700 @ 0.00031985 = 37.9662 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73843 @ 0.00031938 = 23.584 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8273 @ 0.00031731 = 2.6251 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22222 @ 0.00031655 = 7.0344 BTC [-]
assbot: when i saw this i realized all my friendships fake http://t.co/AUFdNX2Ab9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14890 @ 0.00031655 = 4.7134 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157100 @ 0.00032061 = 50.3678 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031646 = 5.0646 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0142789 = 2.8558 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64600 @ 0.00032821 = 21.2024 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70745 @ 0.0003295 = 23.3105 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163073 @ 0.00031561 = 51.4675 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122850 @ 0.00031214 = 38.3464 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up aegis
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "errying LEGAL that touches x will touch you too!!11" omfg who let the shamans out of africa.
mircea_popescu: now we gotta contend with legavoodoo
BingoBoingo: Wurst Voodoo
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: hey hey hey
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: pete_d did you see the total recall 3 tittie in negril?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52354 @ 0.00031887 = 16.6941 BTC [+]
Vexual: me thinks one was a fat roll, but still..
Vexual: cant beat some bootleg ska
Vexual: banned on the internet and shit
cazalla: fluffypony, are you vegan?
fluffypony: cazalla: no, my wife is
fluffypony couldn't be bothered
cazalla: i just saw that pop by on twitter, that's why i ask :P
fluffypony: I love animals, but not enough to change my diet
cazalla: i love them too because they are so tasty
Vexual: !up BingoBoingo
cazalla: i sometimes wonder if the guys who set up these two bit exchanges get frustrated at having lost money after a year despite an expectation they would get bought out and so decide to just steal their users instead so they can sleep well at night thinking they got that illusive 6 billion dorrah google buy out
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: if you go through the insanities they [used to] drop on the forum, the way unemployed/unemployable css derp sees the matter is, "he put 1000 hours worth 100 dollars each into the thing that is not really worth anything. so how about the users split the damage ?"
mircea_popescu: that his hours aren't worth anything isn't a point he's well inclined to grasp under torture, let alone figure out on his own.
mircea_popescu: that the site isn't worth anything FOR THAT REASON idem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34839 @ 0.00033187 = 11.562 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61321 @ 0.00033187 = 20.3506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151000 @ 0.00033187 = 50.1124 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.00032131 = 5.1879 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23954 @ 0.00031273 = 7.4911 BTC [-]
Vexual: momma wont like it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41178 @ 0.00031579 = 13.0036 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93500 @ 0.0003309 = 30.9392 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00031229 = 11.9607 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: KRS1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32781 @ 0.00033187 = 10.879 BTC [+]
Vexual: marlestromers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176778 @ 0.00033188 = 58.6691 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: ()(())()
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00033301 = 15.0521 BTC [+]
Vexual: 6a011168547078970c017d430f5600970c-800wi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122150 @ 0.00033363 = 40.7529 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153322 @ 0.00033292 = 51.044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17793 @ 0.00031064 = 5.5272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96086 @ 0.00031022 = 29.8078 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00031 = 24.614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223358 @ 0.00030966 = 69.165 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.0003094 = 16.8932 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00031333 = 12.5019 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104700 @ 0.00031226 = 32.6936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00031341 = 17.88 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00031356 = 9.9085 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26560 @ 0.00031356 = 8.3282 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: height=280974 vs height=210695
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48901 @ 0.00031356 = 15.3334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96050 @ 0.000319 = 30.64 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [WTS] Rare coffee brands ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpMWYb )
nubbins`: "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O
nubbins`: oh and force-fed weasel poop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00032214 = 22.5176 BTC [+]
mike_c: I'm picturing a guy standing there scratching his head wondering how he's going to get the X he needs that's in the bottom of that box.
chetty: box o kitty :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77100 @ 0.00031717 = 24.4538 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQ4Ub )
davout: o a scoopbot
nubbins`: setting up ARM cross-compile toolchain on osx is no fun
nubbins`: anyway, for those still trying to build linux for pogo
assbot: Arch Linux ARM • View topic - [GUIDE] Re-building the kernel(3.7.8) and U-Boot (2013.01) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQgCD )
nubbins`: might have some tips
davout: !up deedbot-
assbot: X.EUR March 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpBYmV )
deedbot-: No messages were found.
davout: hrm
nubbins`: anyway there's 35cm of snow on the ground since i went to bed
deedbot-: accepted: 1
nubbins`: guess i'll shovel a way out
assbot: I just watched the Deep Web film premiere at SXSW. Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpQMR8 )
nubbins`: FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78005 @ 0.00032241 = 25.1496 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: woah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19061 @ 0.00032293 = 6.1554 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3400 * 0.004
gribble: 13.6
Adlai: adventures in the modern communism: my reserve salary just barely covers 'national insurance' (the less-dysfunctional zionist sibling of 'social security')... there is a certain measure of logic in this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103600 @ 0.0003223 = 33.3903 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: $conference
thestringpuller: nubbins` would like Bill and Ted
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 273 @ 0.00408313 = 1.1147 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: what's a reserve salary
nubbins`: wait, hold on
nubbins`: like army reserves?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114250 @ 0.00032342 = 36.9507 BTC [+]
davout: nubbins`: wow
nubbins`: cops are straight-up telling people to stay off the roads
nubbins`: oh, so putin is back!
dignork: Adlai: it makes absolute sense from libertarian point of view - army conscription is a form of slavery...
nubbins`: ^ relevant
Adlai: yes nubbins` army reserve duty, you get paid for it... dignork this is more like "show up for reserves and בט"ל is on the house"
dignork: Adlai: also free food, and place to sleep, as for any proper slave.
dignork: Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe.
Adlai: and an axe!
Adlai: so, seeing as hpmor even got mentioned here, i eventually ventured over to read a bit of it... all else aside, the writing itself stinks just like the canon
Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage
Adlai: complete with SHOUTING whenever the author can't find sufficiently expressive words in http://simple.wikipedia.org
assbot: Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fs9NEt )
Adlai: yet silver lines eternal, and the excursion yielded http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/tagged/Hariezer-Yudotter/chrono (drunk physicist reaction rage, by chapter)
assbot: Wading In ... ( http://bit.ly/1AvEwux )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00032342 = 19.9065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39407 @ 0.00032342 = 12.745 BTC [+]
PeterL: got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/
thestringpuller: anyone see this sms 2fa bug on coinbase?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00032383 = 35.848 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: i'm glad the new imgur iOS app has disabled upload functionality
nubbins`: it was previously much too convenient to upload phone snaps
nubbins`: anyway. just shovelled. http://imgur.com/J410t43
nubbins`: that horizontal line is where the sidewalk ends and the road begins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14264 @ 0.00032399 = 4.6214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222513 @ 0.00032338 = 71.9563 BTC [-] {2}
mats: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 42 seconds
mats: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 347874 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 893 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47028279381.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.84186
thestringpuller: any qntra editors awake?
mircea_popescu: Global Innovation8:22 am 19 KiBLooking for $5M funding or above?
nubbins`: actually i'm only looking for 4.9mn
nubbins`: i'll look elsewhere
nubbins`: mildly unrelated, if i can help it, pink eye will never accept funds or loans from outside investors
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: oopsie
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski yo, did you see http://brendafernandez.com/ ? i guess it goes to ben_vulpes too.
assbot: Brenda Blog | ~ Not your average bitcoin girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVpLrs )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ;;calc 60*28
gribble: 1680
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: 'meep' electromagnetic... << i must confess that i never tried
mircea_popescu: nubbins` here's the kicker : "If your company meets theses requirements, fill in the form below and we'll be in..."
nubbins`: requirements: must want $5mn+
ascii_field: encryption-as-a-service << that has to be a piece from 'the onion'
nubbins`: marriage consummation as a service
nubbins`: ^ this, i WILL accept outside funding
ascii_field: supposedly, quasi-mythically, existed on some pacific island
nubbins`: was it the one where they used wood^H^H^H^Hstone bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ascii_field remember how some idiot was offering this in 2012 and we laughed him out ? well... the vc circus picked it up. because that's what they do, they feed off our offal.
nubbins`: pat canning, what an artist
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: her sense of humor is my cup of tea
thestringpuller: I wonder if she'll come to the conference
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they feed off it, yes, and i suppose they split its atoms because they are very well-fed from it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112020 i suspect hte answer is "definitely".
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVrflA )
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe you two could get together! token black guy with token TV hitching it at 3rd conference'd be the tits.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "Bitcoin es una forma de arte superior"
nubbins`: now you know how i ended up here ;p
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i happen to agree, fwiwi.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. so that makes three of us, like supermajority of those that got it ?
nubbins`: while i reserve the term "elegance" for things much, much simpler in execution than the flaming turdball of code, it completely applies to Bitcooin as a concept
mircea_popescu: well, let me put it this way :
mircea_popescu: you write a play, and this company wants to do it. they're an odd couple really, not much of a staging company. he's on three different mental meds, she's a crack whore. they make the scenery out of chewed up used tissue.
mircea_popescu: now, if your play manages to shine through all that and bring down the house
nubbins`: what a play it must be!
mircea_popescu: i'm calling it elegant. because fuck you, i'm a dragon and im out of words.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's rather reminiscent of the first h-bomb. the one that needed a dedicated building with h2 liquifaction cryoplant
nubbins`: no joke, in my cubicle life, the christmas social/dinner/dance was called (i'm really not making this up) an ELEGANZA.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. buncha octogenarian canadians!
ascii_field: it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yup
ascii_field: where h-bomb is either a fat ship or stationary on land
nubbins`: stationary ones much less useful as offensive weapons
mircea_popescu: altho natural engineering has over software engineering this marked advantage, that the horse will throw you off, whereas epistula non erubescit.
ascii_field: nubbins`: not necessarily. can always build it in the enemy's capital, a bit at a time
mircea_popescu: ascii_field that only works in dreams.
nubbins`: worked for tiananmen square ;p
nubbins`: granted, that was a statue, not a compicated piece of machinery
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it works, sorta, if parts fit in diplo-pouches
nubbins`: lead-shielded diplo-pouches
ascii_field: (it is widely believed that us embassy in ru, and ru in us, contain nyookz)
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of, couldn't, physically, be done. it's a matter of couldn't socially be done.
mircea_popescu: much the same reason vc idiots could do anything, choose to feed off our discarded tissue
mircea_popescu: (if anyone still wondered what the crab bus was a metaphor for)
ascii_field: what next, argue that dung beetle should eat fillet mignon? he does just fine with shit
mircea_popescu: so do your people.
mircea_popescu: which is why they're not doing this, or any other of a number of plans that start with
mircea_popescu: "first, you need X smart, determined people"
mircea_popescu: the smart are undetermined. the determined are busy playing football.
mircea_popescu: only so much bw in the neural stem.
nubbins`: tardigrades make me feel funny
ascii_field: as al schwartz put it, 'don't invest if the conveyor has to be staffed with ph.d.'s'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89513 @ 0.00032515 = 29.1052 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Was Russia Hiding an Atom Bomb at Embassy in Washington? - TIME ... ( http://bit.ly/18xQPPJ )
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 12:15:49; danielpbarron: height=280974 vs height=210695
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 12:27:22; nubbins`: "rare" = dark-roasted robusta o.O
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: don't even get me started on the fucking civet coffee
nubbins`: (know what doesn't produce good coffee? force-feeding cherries to parasite-infested weasels)
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 12:51:56; davout: o a scoopbot
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 12:57:47; nubbins`: FWIW, alex winter and keanu reeves are precisely Bill & Ted (of Excellent Adventure fame)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field : "Huge audience, mainstream production (Alex Winters directed and Keanu Reeves narrated) and the film was pro-Silk Road, anti-war on drugs, and pro-Ross Ulbricht"
mircea_popescu: there you go. culture war : won. only took like 3-4 years, too.
ascii_field: 'won' is when enemy sits down on stake
mircea_popescu: if anyone's not petrified in fear yet, it'd be because they're either innocent or an imbecile.
mircea_popescu: culture war not buttsex war yo.
ascii_field: not 'made fun of half-heartedly in film'
mircea_popescu: not what happened there by any stretch.
nubbins`: "mainstream production"
assbot: Alex Winter - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVw5iI )
nubbins`: just look at all those things you've heard of
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00032643 = 10.0704 BTC [+]
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: ;;calc 60*30
gribble: 1800
nubbins`: ascii_field you're set for the day
nubbins`: or until my computer sleeps
ascii_field: ty nubbins`.
ascii_field finally caught up on log, even
nubbins`: log would make a worthy tome, if one were able to sieve it first
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 15:08:58; dignork: Adlai: oh, forgot a standard robe.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` prolly bitcoin code easier.
nubbins`: none of it really makes sense w/o vexual, for example
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 15:13:00; *: Adlai can't find the exact quote but some literary pundit, when asked "but isn't it great that kids are reading [harry potter] instead of watching TV?" responded that he'd rather they watch tv than read such garbage
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 15:31:30; PeterL: got a job offer today, pays 25% less than I was making before I got laid off :/
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: argon << ultra-famous
mircea_popescu: ascii_field only among a tiny group :)
ascii_field: author confessed shortly before died, iirc
nubbins`: mircea_popescu peterL i took a 90% pay cut in 2013 when switching careers 8)
mircea_popescu: wasnt author like 17 at the time ?
ascii_field: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so did i, but a decade prior.
nubbins`: makes you fight, neh?
mircea_popescu: of course pay was mostly hookers and blow anyway, best for health
mircea_popescu: my bp took a 50% intima cut.
mircea_popescu: i, in all honesty and no exageration whatsoever, averaged 220-230/110 bp for about a decade.
mircea_popescu: to the degree i had a heart specialist following me around.
ascii_field: like brezhnev, l0l
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
ascii_field: but he was, what, 80
mircea_popescu: i did not know that.
mircea_popescu: weird. wild.
ascii_field: the doctor-following-around part
ascii_field: no idea what his vital stats were
mircea_popescu: oddly enough it seems to have left no sechellae
ascii_field: mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights
mircea_popescu: ya but he's an idiot.
ascii_field: afaik - sop
ascii_field: gwb had one for sure
nubbins`: i thought that was because he couldn't stay away from the pretzels
mircea_popescu: who, brejnev ?
nubbins`: or, as he knew them, the dread PRETZELCOATL
nubbins`: feathered bread-monster of antiquity
mircea_popescu: anyway, im taking chetty out for sushi, ttyl.
nubbins`: remember: ceviche is only raw in name!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50139 @ 0.00032436 = 16.2631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00032326 = 16.9227 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/american-amoeba/
assbot: American Amoeba | KUNSTLER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EVDoa4 )
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
funkenstein_: !up OneNomos
thestringpuller: mod6: trap star just came on pandora. dat #tm101
mod6: :]
davout: justusranvier seems to a whole new level in derpitude
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMJ57s )
trinque: davout: deedbot doesn't announce URLs yet, so... *ding!* http://deedbot.org/347883-1HkMQ2Zj1qwLtRLoMTugVpzYkBvQzjB9pj.txt
davout: trinque: gracias, pls to lemme know when it has a nice interface and rounded corners
trinque: soon as I find a moment for sanding
davout: does it also have a written procedure on how to verify deeds by hand?
davout: in other words, how do i access the bundle from a deed ?
davout: or was that URL a bundle and not just a deed?
trinque: that URL is a bundle
trinque: curl <url> | sha256sum
trinque: that's what I'm using as the private key to generate the address
davout: alrighty
davout: ty!
trinque: no problem
dignork: mircea_popescu: comes with bikini wax << maybe PA's for high-ranked officers, dunno any of them.
davout: trinque: looks like it all works correctly
trinque: davout: cool! glad to get someone else's eyes on it
davout: trinque: what happens if the same deed is submitted mutliple times?
davout: question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00031597 = 18.1051 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: !up Uglux
trinque: davout: it will only eat deeds signed by assbot's L1 or L2
trinque: does not currently do anything to prevent the same signed messages from being submitted twice
trinque: imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers
Adlai: does it only accept deeds from authed members of L1/2 ?
trinque: hmmm... actually you guys have a point
Adlai: replay attacks would still be possible, but by limiting submissions to authed L<3, you at least have somebody to punish
trinque: this is why I've been running publish manually and seeing what people have added
Adlai: that's no way to run an automated system :P
davout: Adlai: you don't really want to depend on the submitter being authed i'd say
Adlai: you could also just drop duplicates
trinque: I could just turn off the PM support
trinque: and require all interaction be done here
Adlai: that has the advantage of accelerating shared learning
davout: turning off pm support would be the simplest way
trinque: Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make
Adlai originally wrote 'no way to build', then choose 'run' intentionally
trinque: well, when you guys start paying me for this, I'll feel worse about it
davout: for every automatic thing, there's a computer doing it manually :D
Adlai: and Cyberdyne Systems are justa buncha freedom fighters
Adlai ... is part of 'you guys'? :o
Adlai: last i checked, i'm the guy saying that the way mircea_popescu specified deedbot is silly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00031604 = 19.4681 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash
trinque: was going to ask Adlai why he thought so, but.. vanished!
trinque: danielpbarron: openbsd lol?
trinque: is that a markov tweetbot?
trinque: apparantly not
danielpbarron: found it from those articles bingo linked me to yesterday
danielpbarron: the guy apparently liked OpenBSD until he learned about Theo
danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead
danielpbarron: because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something
trinque: having an opinionated ass at the top is a feature
danielpbarron: tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old
trinque: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished
assbot: trollaxor.com: OPENBSD FACT CHECK: USE OR NOT USE TEST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ax3tFY )
trinque: the guy is illiterate
trinque: I guess he's trying to be cute?
trinque: scares me the kind of poorly tuned brains running around with fat stacks of USD
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source
trinque: oh god
ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
mats: high drama
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ascii_field: possibly i ought to explain. point being that folks are vastly underestimating strength of the enemy
ascii_field: yes, '...the ogre cannot master speech' - but it's an ogre - a bloodthirsty giant
ascii_field: a still largely-intact giant, still walking around and smashing things
ascii_field: and on his shoulders armies of demented midgets ride
trinque: ascii_field: from a perspective it's entirely irrational to have any hope at all; after all, one dies at the end.
trinque: not being flippant, it's a fact
ascii_field: trinque: the hope can only be about outliving the enemy
trinque: given that, ogre or no, my mind will still hum battle songs of an army that does not yet exist
danielpbarron: !up _FeltPen
ascii_field: because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of:
ascii_field: !s stotting
assbot: 11 results for 'stotting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stotting
ascii_field: (which in my own mental habit i usually think of as 'peacocking', because it is an even more obvious animal to illustrate the concept with)
ascii_field: or mircea_popescu's 'sprezzatura' - for that matter
ascii_field: sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers'
ascii_field: as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination)
ascii_field: so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: so apparently the weak point in the old iMacs was the hard drive
danielpbarron: two out of two i've looked at have bad disks; one doesn't think it even has a hard drive anymore
ascii_field: when buying old machine 1) backup bitwise 2) ssd
ascii_field: ( 1) is for boxes that need the vendor's turdware, naturally. can skip if not. )
danielpbarron: i'm just now realizing that one looks tampered with -- the hard drive might have been removed by previous owner
danielpbarron: other than that they appear to work fine. xfce on openbsd is a nice fit with the apple style
davout: danielpbarron: iirc imacs have special disks with apple-specific temperature sensors or w/e
davout: if you replace the stock one it'll keep the fan running thinking it's over heating
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trinque: ascii_field | as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace << starving for a real challenge; I think so
trinque: and mostly without knowing they are
trinque: yeah that's interesting; it's a sort of degenerate state of a very healthy urge to have a pissing match
ascii_field: trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis
ascii_field: (d. morris)
trinque: ascii_field: found, ty
trinque: reminds me that the mongols had a slur to refer to city-dwellers
trinque: saw them as livestock
mircea_popescu: not mine by any means. the duke of este's.
ascii_field: well yeah
ascii_field: but described in recent mircea_popescu article
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mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ so, i got logs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.01001 = 1.1812 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ascii_field: we are all meat puppets
thestringpuller: no one pulls their own strings
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 18:41:11; trinque: soon as I find a moment for sanding
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054210 << doens't really need any handling past that imo.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:20:51; trinque: imo might be best to just handle that with negrating abusers
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:18:07; davout: question mainly being: can some random derp take already notarized deeds, and clog the pipes with them, because i assume deedbot will listen privately to deeds being submitted, as long as they're signed with a proper key amirite
mircea_popescu: there's no "private notarization"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054217 << he doesn't have teh authority to do that, tho.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:23:51; Adlai: you could also just drop duplicates
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054222 << happens to be the exactly only correct way to run automated systems at first.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:25:02; trinque: Adlai | that's no way to run an automated system :P << that's how I *start* running any automated system I make
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, big stack of logs for you. I keep them dry until you tell me where you want them.
mircea_popescu: splendid. specifically, what is it, 300k ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054231 << nonsense. trust is not something that can be derived programatically. whether a guy is black or not, whether an institution is segregated or not has no impact on whether you can trust them.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:38:54; assbot: you can't trust segregated institutions. /hashtag/racism?src=hash /hashtag/sexism?src=hash /hashtag/feminism?src=hash /hashtag/homophobia?src=hash /hashtag/blacklivesmatter?src=hash /hashtag/openbsd?src=hash
funkenstein_: and 300300.3003003
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:45:29; danielpbarron: he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ cool. curious what comes of this.
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funkenstein_: me too :) 100k blocks reached today, reward is 10 LOG per block
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you probably should get those various links fixed.
funkenstein_: in woodcoin documentation stuff?
funkenstein_: maybe i should make a real website
assbot: Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkc3SX )
mircea_popescu: was another one also linked there
funkenstein_: taking links down, thanks
funkenstein_: not my stuff there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054242 << actually, being in a venue where "the medium is the message" is absolutely required for someone who has no message past being part of the median.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:47:05; danielpbarron: tried to get him to explain his position in here, but even IRC is on his hate list for being too old
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054252 << yes, but then again you're not a sadist, you're a masochist.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 19:51:07; ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
mircea_popescu: so you're just being optimistic in your own way :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2015#1054269 << essentially yes. it's a result of social dislocation at the top brought about by sudden technological advance that's poorly digested.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2015 20:16:50; ascii_field: sorta wonder, i confess, if sprezzatura/stotting makes its appearance in overcrowded worlds 'that have no frontiers'
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many times alf's been impersonated as ascii_field so far
ascii_field: 'masochist: whip me, whip me! sadist: no...'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes.
mircea_popescu: so i'm going to rewrite tlp's short story with the druggie in a moment.
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BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> he almost donated 100k USD to OpenBSD and gave it to freebsd instead << That part seems to have been totally just a troll hob
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron> trinque, he didn't earn it; some uncle died and left it to him for the purpose of funding open source << When someone seems this committed to a troll job you can't take them at face value
funkenstein_: old fiat misallocated? stop the press
funkenstein_: sometimes you have to celebrate if anybody at all gets to spend it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00032643 = 19.3899 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.03, Best ask: 291.21, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 291.07, 24 hour volume: 23083.07900202, 24 hour low: 285.7, 24 hour high: 295.2, 24 hour vwap: None
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8518 @ 0.00031921 = 2.719 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqOOeP )
mircea_popescu: btw, i finally found the source of that debate we had earlier as to how powerful a chimp is etc.
mircea_popescu: you see, when i see chimp i think of bonobos. which... whatever, you could eat one raw.
mircea_popescu: you good folk apparently think of the robust chimp, the OTHER species of pan
BingoBoingo: Oh, so you associated chimp with the harmless species that just lez's out all the time.
mircea_popescu: basically.
mircea_popescu: would have never probably happened if phys antrhopologist person didn't read and go "dude, that's the other one!"
mircea_popescu: "what other one?!"
mircea_popescu: "you know, the one that's like a gorilla"
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Adlai: ;;google dance monkeys dance
gribble: Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline: <http://www.ernestcline.com/dmd/>; Dance monkeys dance - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLNA7MRdjlw>; Dance, Monkeys, Dance - Ernest Cline - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGphsPOHi2M>
cazalla: i swear if and when bitcoin hits astronomical heights, imma start the chimp ufc
Adlai: <insert joke about "dag" fights and blockchains>
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BingoBoingo: !up royokou
mircea_popescu: !up mogreen
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asciilifeform: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678 << big moment in the history of that particular set of idiots. they will putter around with 'remote attestation' crap and will end with an inevitable 'most of the nodes are not True Nodes, a True Node is this here sealed crate from us, just plug it in'
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/18zm0Kh )
funkenstein_: what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible?
asciilifeform: is it just me or is it hilariously funny that folks working with (or pretending to, whatever) with bitcoin - the only thing that ever solved 'sybil problem' -for the one case for which it is solvable- -- is spewing this kind of nonsense ?
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: anything involving hard time-bounds on a packet-switched net is lunacy
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: the real purpose of this 'proposal', if it has a purpose, is 'let's keep thinking about how to kill nodes not controlled by Phoundation'
funkenstein_: hmm my instinct was it didn't seem possible
funkenstein_: he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: have to understand that what comes out of these people makes considerably more sense once you understand what the one and only 'problem' they ever try to 'solve' really is.
asciilifeform: (to be fair, there are actually two of them. one is -- distracting actual people from actual work with the noise.)
funkenstein_: guess they got us then :)
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BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> what do you think of Sergio's idea is that really possible? << Serigo is great at inventing problems. So good that many of his suggested fixes are still bigger problems as in this case
funkenstein_: i think you have a point. seems like a really good abstract thinker but sometimes you want a dumb network
decimation: asciilifeform: have you read some of the research under the heading "delay tolerant networking"
decimation: nasa et.al. spend money on usg think tanks to try to come up with a protocol that will magically switch between store-and-forward and low-latency as the channel permits
mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
mircea_popescu: jurov on it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform forced mistakes are forced and mistaken.
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> he posts a ton of extremely ambitious ideas i'd love to see him come through on one of them << you have to understand this is now, thanks to moldbug et all, an internet pose.
mircea_popescu: there's no substance to it past getting you to say that, just like there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people to buy shit.
decimation: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~augustin/pub/chaintreau08opportunistic.pdf < interestingly, 'gossip-based' has become a buzzword in some of this network research
assbot: Wading In — Chapter 2, in which I remember why I hated this ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Iuxj )
mircea_popescu: "You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling!”
mircea_popescu: this is a better meme than fu im a dragon.
mircea_popescu: "I read the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could talk to several of the commentators, and gently talk them out of a poor financial decision.
mircea_popescu: Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save the world. Even if you grant all their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers than the average physics graduate student does while in grad school."
BingoBoingo: The woodchipper fanfic was better
mircea_popescu: i am slowly and unpleasantly realising that there will be no end of these ignare cvasi-intellectuals.
mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more yarvin, yakudsky, yaranidiot.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system" that fails to teach anything but manages to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... good god, i need more hemlock.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHPQH3.txt )
mircea_popescu: where the fuck are the people holding up signs with "you are stupid" to raise awareness ?
mircea_popescu: that's a topic that desperately needs awareness, the bezzle's nothing compared to the igzzle.
mircea_popescu: if you add all the money people think they're worth, and divide by all the value that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of the process.
mircea_popescu: however, if you add all the smarts people assign themselves and divide by the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so total iq points available for the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity.
mircea_popescu: and THAT is sure as fuck not implied by the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included.
funkenstein_: fractional reserver brain power. just getting it.
funkenstein_ slow as fuck
mircea_popescu: exactly what it is. backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of the usg, in the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard, The Stanford Agency scl etc.
funkenstein_: the paper belt
mircea_popescu: and this schmuck didn't even go to school!
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking pervasive by now, they can extract it by simple aculturation.
funkenstein_: the academic bullshit goes way back
mircea_popescu: never before have i realised the wisdom of the jews / early christians in keeping the books under key.
funkenstein_: ?
funkenstein_: just to make more of a challenge for us?
mircea_popescu: no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a trivial task, which will then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything.
funkenstein_: hmm.. more likely they were just the same kind of people who enjoy their power as academics today
mircea_popescu: the same insane behaviour exhibited by "bitcoin entrepreneurs" as summed up in http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ is what drives ykwhatever to falsely believe he has understood something about statistics / has anything meaningful to say
assbot: Who made this ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWZgSB )
mircea_popescu: "about science"
mircea_popescu: of course this argument falls apart once one considers that - according to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as they muck it up.
thestringpuller: dr. funkenstein straight from george clinton's mothership
mircea_popescu: but still, hot damn, semidoctus is becoming a byword for homo interneticus.
funkenstein_: the bigger the headache the bigger the pill
funkenstein_: you give us a chance we will get it wrong. that's why it is so important to have those stupid signs up you mentioned.
funkenstein_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g
assbot: PEAK DUMB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErOelH )
thestringpuller: re: who made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g_85WTGIM "How did you get this show?" "Carrot Top turned it down."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1692 @ 0.00398401 = 6.7409 BTC [-]
asciilifeform would point out that 'turned into small cat' does not have to violate conservation laws if cat is peculiarly dense, or if the excess mass had been teleported a room away (which in itself does not have to violate conservation) -- but this is probably not what the thing was about
mircea_popescu: actually the cat doesn't even have to be dense per se, it could just be very hot.
mircea_popescu: or... spinning real fast.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every year shall bring more.. << give the charlatans some credit here. yudkowsky, for instance, carefully disassembled the broken husk of christianity and soldered all the loose pieces together in a way that it sorta runs again for folks on the right half of bell curve
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little to no evidence of this. all i see is the text, and the text is truely appalling.
mircea_popescu: yes, maybe he writes like an idiot on purpose.
asciilifeform: he convinced folks with some education in the physical sciences, even to believe in immortality ('ancestor sims', 'nanotech'); deities ('jupiter brains', 'superintelligence') and even immortal soul ('coherent extrapolated volition')
asciilifeform: he writes 'down' to the audience
asciilifeform: to reel people in
mircea_popescu: it seems improbable, much like crack whores are rarely sober actresses practicing.
asciilifeform: the man knows precisely what he's doing
mircea_popescu: listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following the child prophet is no proof of the child's anything.
asciilifeform: in fact, he is so confident that he's been known to accept public debate. might even show up here if somebody really wants.
mircea_popescu: it's just proof that people are endlessly stupid on their own terms.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not going by the crowd, but by having actually read everything the fella wrote 1997-2009 or so
mircea_popescu: debate as to what ? there's no point of contention.
asciilifeform: the only point i can see in contention is whether mr y 'drinks own kool-aid' or not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you saying he's just a very inept writer of [fan]fiction ?
mircea_popescu: lol that'd be a debate. which side is he to take ?
asciilifeform: possibly the 'has' ?
asciilifeform: (it would be interesting if not!)
asciilifeform: the fanfic thing is one of the pieces i have -not- read.
asciilifeform: so cannot comment usefully.
mircea_popescu: it's... bad. it's bad in a literary sense, and it's arguably worse in a science sense.
mircea_popescu: one could read treatises on learned topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800 to about the same effect.
mircea_popescu: heavy on the sauce, no real meat to speak of.
asciilifeform: mr y seems quite clever so long as he has the sense to stay away from actual mechanisms and physical world in general where if 'your hands grow from your arse' you tend to lose them in the gears.
asciilifeform: story time:
asciilifeform: mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers
mircea_popescu: did it have submarines ?
asciilifeform: it was rather like a bad ('70s-style) lispalike with xml (yes, xml) for all forms
asciilifeform: for all expressions, rather
asciilifeform: xml in place of sexprs.
asciilifeform: thing was called 'flare'
mircea_popescu: i guess...
asciilifeform: and you will not see any of his groupies mention it. ever.
asciilifeform: (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)
mircea_popescu: lol you know the portrait that emerges is exactly that of the sort of kid i'd bust the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ?
asciilifeform: the thing he's very good at is plagiarism
asciilifeform: and ends up seeming quite clever by lifting various ideas and 'explaining'
mircea_popescu: it just sounds like, where's that 2nd hand source brb
asciilifeform: ;;google detached lever fallacy
gribble: Detached Lever Fallacy - Less Wrong: <http://lesswrong.com/lw/sp/detached_lever_fallacy/>; Category:Fallacies - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Category:Fallacies>; Magic - Lesswrongwiki: <http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Magic>
asciilifeform: ^ example
mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
mircea_popescu: d I’m too intelligent to look up to my parents the way that children are designed to do. My parents love me, but they don’t feel obliged to respond to reason, and sometimes I feel like they’re the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I try not to be too bitter about it, but I also try to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter.
mircea_popescu: then merge that with the "i failed and so nobody else should try it!" reversal of the "i tried and thus no one should criticize me" insanity...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's an age honored thing in usia. which is why all the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or to stupid parents in the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ?
asciilifeform: 'always it is the thief who cries - stop, thief!' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: that's what ted is, but it didn't start there. that's what http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ is and what mormonism is and puritanism and the us army and generally...
assbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GWllkX )
mircea_popescu: it's all lifted.
mircea_popescu: or as that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ"
asciilifeform: in all fairness, how could it be anything else? not being a historic culture and all
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with it, as a process, but the acultural approach to it... o brother.
mircea_popescu: right, that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all the pretense around it ? y ?
mircea_popescu: "Jumping off the
mircea_popescu: extensibility of XML,
mircea_popescu: the flexibility of the underlying
mircea_popescu: representation enables Flare to do
mircea_popescu: several fundamental things in
mircea_popescu: fundamentally different ways."
mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, it allowed them to mix text with display rules, because xml.
asciilifeform: obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''
mircea_popescu: Flare.org domain donated courtesy of ePoet.com
mircea_popescu: "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both the program and the program data are represented as lists. In Flare, the program and program data, and ideally the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added to any parent element without destroying the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element types can be
mircea_popescu: easily created), these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs."
mircea_popescu: this just broke my head. seriously ?!
mircea_popescu: in what complang is it the case that you can't add stuff to code ?!
asciilifeform: ^ the stuck-capslock 'LISP' is an almost foolproof leper's bell of folks whose knowledge of the subject comes from 1970s encyclopaedia article
asciilifeform: (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)
mircea_popescu: how old was he when doing this flare thing ?
mircea_popescu: If the Flare interpreter knows that "human" is a class defined in the module "people", then it knows to expect that the tag "arms" refers to an instance member with numeric content. This is how the Flare interpreter knows that 2 means the number 2 and not the string "2".
mircea_popescu: ^ almost as painful to read as his fiction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family
mircea_popescu: is the above quote included in your "read all" ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i saw this crap, it was a series of forum posts...
asciilifeform out of the loop for a good long spell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the language is the message, here. guy's not writing down to anyone but himself.
asciilifeform: i don't even know that this brochure was crapped out by mr y himself
mircea_popescu: "Not written by Dmitriy Myshkin."
mircea_popescu: in any case, .ro space has a coupla of these, "artists" that wish to be philosophers/scientists. the result is endless lol fountain.
asciilifeform: in the spirit of mrs. ceausescu ?
mircea_popescu: nah, in the spirit of mr pecuchet
mircea_popescu: ceausescu was a shoemaker.
asciilifeform: thinking of the woman
mircea_popescu: ah. she was a common whore.
mircea_popescu: unlike argentina's, she wasn't pretty, either
mircea_popescu: (tho i don't find evita peron pretty, but hey)
asciilifeform: whore who walked around collecting 'honorary diplomas' in chemistry
mircea_popescu: point being, artist.
asciilifeform: while actual chemists cringed, bit tongues
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you know this sort - often comes out at the beach. tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into the distance a lot.
mircea_popescu: sorta emo-precursor.
decimation: re: education < http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silicon-valley-home-schooling/ < apparently Thiel et.al. were educated in a Montessori school (which was a crazy idea invented by a random italian chick) to let kids decide for themselves "how to be schooled"
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mircea_popescu: very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well... the gals are itching for a trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt.
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc 'montessori' is done to very young, elementary grade pupils only
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's extended kindergarten
mircea_popescu: (dunno about yer lands, but that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish)
decimation: heh no they do high school now
mircea_popescu: ok alf, I got it. here it is :
mircea_popescu: This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently telling us about all the manipulative tricks they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat through a shitty marketing seminar trying to try out what they learned. WITH RAPE.
mircea_popescu: I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other than its the theme of this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim.
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mircea_popescu: so your theory'd be, fitting with the above, that this is what they called a "sensitive child" who is trying to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science to play the role of a sort of marketing ?
asciilifeform: approximately.
mircea_popescu: reads to me more like a cry for help.
mircea_popescu: "mommy look how fucking stupid i'm being, help me!"
asciilifeform: whatever it was a cry for, it werked - mr y has a rotating harem, a flat in san fran, and a phoundation to invoice for the lot - and i don't
asciilifeform: so yes, i l0l, but sc4mz0r sp4mz like a pr0
mircea_popescu: what's a rotating harem ?
asciilifeform: the kind mircea_popescu has
mircea_popescu: wait. wut ?
asciilifeform: where younger gurlz rotated in, etc
asciilifeform not sure of the correct term of art
mircea_popescu: you're basically saying he's having a lot of sex ?
asciilifeform: sex he doesn't have to go shopping for
asciilifeform again not sure of the term of art
mircea_popescu: might be "dating"
decimation: re: "intelle;ctual property" < I spoke with a patent examiner once, she said that she often was 'paid a visit' by pharma/medical people who were under the mistaken impression that their devices were still under patent
decimation: when it had long ago expired
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm tryin' to follow!
asciilifeform: (no one remotely connected with the filing of an american patent is under any doubt whatsoever regarding expiration thereof)
decimation: asciilifeform: she said they would have long conversations where they were apparently mistaken about this
mircea_popescu: "I enjoy speaking at financial firms on human rationality." << there, your mystery's solved. he's doing the entertainment for vc teambuilding events.
decimation: mircea_popescu: snake-oil sales for 'business seminars' is quite big business
asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
mircea_popescu: well... you gotta put something up, you know ? gavin can't run to all of them in his satoshi costume
asciilifeform: and - it works
mircea_popescu: and out and out nudity is more of a terrorism&money laundering trope than anything
asciilifeform: (-somebody- is paying his bills)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he could say the same about you.
asciilifeform: exactly the same
decimation: re: mr y. < are you sure it's gurlz instead of boyz?
asciilifeform: except that mr y is a much more talented whore than yours truly
mircea_popescu: this pov where women without further specification are somehow valuable still boggles me.
asciilifeform: the kind that is a couplea-zeroes apart
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
asciilifeform has insufficient data for specification
asciilifeform has very few items that rise to the level of 'knowledge' about mr y, mainly thirdhand rumour
mircea_popescu: i think you drastically overestimate the well being of others. but at least it's consistent with the meta nsa/lizard hitler outlook.
asciilifeform: -somebody- flies first class and sleeps ad libitum
ben_vulpes: if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler
ben_vulpes: and damn his eyes for it!
ben_vulpes: or anyone who might.
asciilifeform: His Reptilian Majesty!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd ask how you know this, but i'll let it slide :D
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure about that. it seems to me that the us is all about everyone trying to keep everyone else from doing exactly that
decimation: the rhetoric in the us tends toward "a rising tide lifts all boats" but the more apparent reality is to squash the up-and-coming - to prevent competition from above and to 'enhance equality' from below
mircea_popescu: this crabpottery is quite recent
decimation: mircea_popescu: I think it is correlated with the mass looting of public companies that became fashionable in the late 70's/early 80's
mircea_popescu: nah. that's natural, and welcome - capitalism rebuidling itself.
mircea_popescu: when you get a bunch of idiots who wish agency without agency, looting is both necessary and ideal.
mircea_popescu: "public companies" pssh.
mircea_popescu: why wasn't the buffallo a "public company" in 1830 ?
decimation: charles murray has written about how the 'elites' and common folk lived in the same neighborhoods together
mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote about it. elite me lived in the same bus as some alabamian black kids, to no detriment of either of us, au contraire.
mircea_popescu: something average usian can not do. because reasons.
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asciilifeform: and meanwhile escalating ethn0w4rz to keep things interesting
decimation: actually the elites were racist as fuck, and were quite willing to use the underclass as a weapon against the kulaks while they built imaginary 'barriers' around their homes
asciilifeform: 'the death and life of great american cities' (jacobs)
asciilifeform: ^ mega-classic
decimation: also I would note that this happened at a time when the intellectual fashion was to scorn any project designed to civilize the 'other'
decimation: 'arrow to the throat - it's the only language the savages understand'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '"Give it here." then in the phone "It's Francine A. Hayek. H-A-Y-E-K." and then after a pregnant pause, "No, just a name coincidence."' << m3g4l0l!!
asciilifeform falls down
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danielpbarron: Since it came up in the /. thread, though, I would like to make one correction. It's widely claimed that I'm "the one" who ejected Theo from the NetBSD community. That is false. At that time in NetBSD's history, Chris G. Demetriou was playing the role of alpha male, and I wasn't even given a choice. I was certain it was going to bite us in the ass. I think the question for historians is not whether it did bite us in the ass,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha ?
mircea_popescu: tyhat bad ?
asciilifeform: so bad that good (TM)
asciilifeform: as in, register rolls over.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron he can of course point to deedbot deeds proving these claims,
mircea_popescu: or fail that, to anything ?
asciilifeform: (proposes 'ROL' to augment the customary 'lol' as term of art)
danielpbarron: http://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html < pre-deedbot history was kept in the form of email dumps
asciilifeform: 'Even today, most software distributions on the net (and this includes NetBSD) are not signed.' << wat?
asciilifeform: ^ is above still true ?!
asciilifeform: 'deedbot' concept is older than might appear
asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu
decimation: "In addition, Wasabi actually held up a NetBSD release for more than a week, while failing to tell even the developer community why. (The main release engineer happened to be a Wasabi employee, so this was easy.) After I personally pushed the release out without them, it was finally revealed that this was because there was a secret arrangement, which only Wasabi employees and Wasabi board members knew about, to do a combined NetBSD
decimation: Foundation and Wasabi press release. They were actually upset at me for preempting this." << lol this guy is no linus
decimation: that writing smacks of stallmans nerd-rage
asciilifeform never really saw the 'rage' angle re: rms
asciilifeform: the devil that rms preaches about - exists.
asciilifeform: he walks around, you can go and touch him at your phriendly local electronics shop.
asciilifeform: in fact, unless you're approximately in the same class of crackpot weirdo as rms - that devil is sitting right next to you in invisible chair.
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asciilifeform: was that when the pickpockets of buenos aires got his mips laptop ?
decimation: heh I think so
asciilifeform: not much to do with doctrine, then.
decimation: no, more of "I let these people 'work' on my project and suddenly they were controlling it"
asciilifeform: 'Most of us had a very strong distaste for the so-called "virus" clause in the GPL, and this is the primary reason we did not adopt it. There was also some thinking that CSRG (Berkeley) and the X Consortium had been successful with leaner, looser licenses, so why bother. In retrospect I think this was naive; if you look at the history, you'll see that neither CSRG nor the X Consortium were really successful in getting third pa
asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
asciilifeform: ^ fact is, gpl has perfectly valid reasons for existing; most of which resolve to folks not wishing to give aid and comfort to the enemy
asciilifeform: if there is any way of preventing it
decimation: it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project
asciilifeform: and the enemy is approximately who rms tells us it is.
asciilifeform: critics of rms are always very quick to remember the snot-eating or fits of frothing madness, or whateverthephuck but rarely address the actual arguments in anything like a direct and intelligent way
decimation: I agree with that, but it also seems that the rms 'project' is largely failing
asciilifeform: 'jeszcze Polska nie zginęła'
decimation: in the sense that the major 'open source' projects are switching to non-gpl licenses - or are trying to be devoured by the same
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ?
asciilifeform: ^ from the pl national anthem
asciilifeform: 'pl is not yet dead' (next being, 'while we still live')
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Even today, blablabladerp.' << wat? << i'll tell you what. "mommy, i got a 7 in algebra, but you should have seen all the other kids at retard school, they got 3 and 4!"
decimation: also, stallman hasn't done much about the 'hardware problem'
asciilifeform: decimation: what would you suggest he do about it ?
decimation: I have no idea, but it does seem like software cannot stand freely alone
mircea_popescu: <decimation> it's ironic that the guy doesn't want to have the 'virus clause' interfere with BSD distribution yet was apparently willing to let some random company take over the project << actually... it's all in the bias. irrespective of what the words may say, these were govenrment men. of course they saw no problem giving their thing to governmenty-something. their only actual problem would have been "terrorists", a
mircea_popescu: ka, not drones getting it.
asciilifeform: decimation: barring some quite perverse retroactive usg shenanigans (never say 'never.' it happened in ru) gpl stuff is staying gpl
asciilifeform: forever.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> danielpbarron it doesn't seem to be in there tho. besides, i'd hope he's not relying on theo's testimony ? does he have his own bundle ? << In Theo's Bundle Theo blames Charles Hannum explicitly near the end. Demetrio in my reading of the dump seems to be an aggrevating factor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason gpl stays gpl atm is because it's not worth much. otherwise... it didn't happen in the cccp only. it happened in the us, and everywhere else.
decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying that commercial code isn't riddled with 'gpled snippets'?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, but still, as a point of procedure, muppet should be trained to back himself up. "here's what i say it was then, and here's where i published it then"
mircea_popescu: they have to be forced to come to terms and accept the plain fact that if they don't publish, they ARE lying.
mircea_popescu: no excuses, no slack cut for any reason. you keep a blog or fuck you.
asciilifeform: decimation: no, merely that everything once published under gpl is still distributable, no one has yet come up with, in usa, with 'we retroactively own this'
asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
mircea_popescu: the peasants demand church land be redistributed!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was referring to the post-soviet laugh where you now 'have to' (lol) pay to see the filmz i grew up with, etc
mircea_popescu: ah, that.
asciilifeform: the 'privatization' of everything
asciilifeform: ussr did not sign berne convention
asciilifeform: but ru did
asciilifeform: and -retroactive-
mircea_popescu: yeah right.
asciilifeform: article 18 iirc
mircea_popescu: you can put anything you want on paper, doesn't mean jack.
asciilifeform: didn't say it -meant-
asciilifeform: but that it went on the paper
asciilifeform: one doesn't have to believe in god to discuss religion
asciilifeform: (see eben moglen re: rule of law)
mircea_popescu: ;;google eben moglen rule of law
gribble: Eben Moglen: "Snowden and the Future" | David Bollier: <http://bollier.org/blog/eben-moglen-snowden-and-future>; Eben Moglen: <http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html>; Legal Fictions and Common Law Legal Theory - Eben Moglen: <http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/fict.html>
mircea_popescu never read all this snowden derivative corpus
asciilifeform: iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
asciilifeform: ^ still alive & well and with us.
mircea_popescu: anyone who has this problem is an idiot of the same breath as the guy with a bitchy wife.
mircea_popescu: shoulda frowned her in time.
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asciilifeform: obvious usg altcoin is obvious
asciilifeform: at least, afaik they're the readiest fit for the role.
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