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BingoBoingo: If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
decimation: BingoBoingo: ever had beef (ox) tail soup?
BingoBoingo: Indeed, delicious. Oxtail is also good slow cooked on a kettle grill and finished in sauce a lot like people do with pork and brisket.
BingoBoingo: Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
decimation: some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
decimation: in the us
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't doubt it.
decimation: https://www.prosper.com < lol silicon valley loan shark
assbot: Personal Loans and Online Investing - Peer to Peer Lending - Prosper ... ( http://bit.ly/1FlrCWu )
BingoBoingo: People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
ben_vulpes: now there's a great conspiraci(!) theory
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Adlai: "and many humans will find themselves the new horse: unemployable" - cgp grey
Vexual: I think if brussexels had a look at northern Australian, they would say 'don't bother'
Vexual: Jakarta bullocks at 2 / km2 is all youll ever do
Vexual: Peanuts failed and how will we get an inspector anywhere?
BingoBoingo: It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
Vexual: Fuck those peanuts
assbot: Make Britain safer: bring back handguns « Adam Smith Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/17k6AbY )
mircea_popescu: i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup
mircea_popescu: fucking idiot brits srsly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120300 @ 0.00043079 = 51.824 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up wolverine
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: why ty bb
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and happy bday!
ben_vulpes: another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
mircea_popescu: wht does it do ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Did Apple even release iTunes ever for Mac OS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.0004398 = 36.2835 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
ben_vulpes: oh wait
mircea_popescu: well i never used it, so dunno
ben_vulpes: if you switch to "songs" view then the right arrow does the expected thing
ben_vulpes: and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
ben_vulpes: this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
ben_vulpes: baffling.
pete_dushenski: what itunes version ?
ben_vulpes: 12.0.1.26
ben_vulpes: whatever the fuck that means
assbot: goethe.de/climate - Gallery - Villar Rojas, Adrián - Goethe-Institut  ... ( http://bit.ly/17KAOGb )
pete_dushenski: doesn't mean much i suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00044043 = 10.7024 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
ben_vulpes: those early ipods were phenomenally well designed.
pete_dushenski: and they fetch a pretty penny now too
ben_vulpes: i used nearly every mpwhater whatever object during that time
ben_vulpes: aw, really?
ben_vulpes: i gave one away recently
pete_dushenski: re goethe thing: "a dingo ate my baby" is the first thing that comes to mind
assbot: RARE Collectors Apple iPod Classic 2nd Generation Mac 10 GB Original Box 718908423851 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/17k9Yna )
pete_dushenski: ya, $600 for a used 1st gen 5gb
pete_dushenski: which i seem to recall being $500 in 2001 bucks
ben_vulpes: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released
assbot: Identifying iPod models - Apple Support ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBJGT )
pete_dushenski: so not exactly investment grade art
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the best being ?
assbot: ATPM 9.08 - Review: iPod (30 GB) ... ( http://bit.ly/17KBNGD )
ben_vulpes: ah, no it's there
ben_vulpes: this was actually the best design they ever produced.
pete_dushenski: that was the first one i had too
ben_vulpes: the buttons were physically separated from the scroll wheel
ben_vulpes: glowed this beautiful neon orange.
ben_vulpes: and it was *fast*
ben_vulpes: had a great internal db.
mircea_popescu: The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
mircea_popescu: It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
mircea_popescu: exactly opposite of systemd "doocracy"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i don't get this?
ben_vulpes: apple only worked because there was one guy at the helm.
ben_vulpes: now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
mircea_popescu: not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
mircea_popescu: but yeah im sure YOU get it. still, a log's a log!
ben_vulpes: gotta leave something between the lines.
mircea_popescu: more lines.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/17KCIa1 )
cazalla: i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
ben_vulpes: i'm in the top 12 for the past twelve months
ben_vulpes: twice!
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i had a rio riot
ben_vulpes: also had a creative jukebox
ben_vulpes: also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
ben_vulpes: there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
pete_dushenski: "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
pete_dushenski: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
pete_dushenski: out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ^somebody was watching team america re-runs while hacking
pete_dushenski: "dirka dirka mohamed jihad!"
pete_dushenski: that, or kaspersky needs to hire a few more people with brains
ben_vulpes: password attacks don't cross languages?
ben_vulpes: man security world must be even more esl than i was given to understand
pete_dushenski: which, given that kasp is sponsoring an f1 car is probably also true
ben_vulpes: dictionary* attacks i mean to say.
pete_dushenski: one would've hoped
pete_dushenski: but kasp is pretty big, and therefore one of there "rubber-stampers"
pete_dushenski: they don't need to actually work
pete_dushenski: as alf would call it, it's "security theatre"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00046409 = 36.1758 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
ben_vulpes: good job, boys.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What does 0.5.3.1 resource usage look like when synced?
pete_dushenski: http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: do you even have your keys handy?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
ben_vulpes: 0.7.2.W
ben_vulpes: i'm endeavoring to sync a portatronic build
ben_vulpes: and a more-or-less patched-up-to-date-with-mailing-list dynamically linked build
ben_vulpes: and my poor aws instance is laaaaaboring
ben_vulpes: qa for the foundation - what a gig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00047349 = 14.1337 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
assbot: St. Louis should move to Illinois: It doesn’t belong in Missouri anymore. ... ( http://bit.ly/17kesKv )
ben_vulpes: split?
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly... ars presenting cracking of md5 as ahigh tech exploit ?
mircea_popescu: did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
pete_dushenski: fat hairy dude with speedo, big black sunglasses, and foreign accent must be russian spy!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68076 @ 0.00047306 = 32.204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
mircea_popescu: im so impressed.
pete_dushenski: "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
mircea_popescu: by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu.
assbot: FetLife · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17khjTL )
mircea_popescu: that thing's epic.
pete_dushenski: i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner
pete_dushenski: eh no wonder he's not here!
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.78, Best ask: 236.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 236.32, 24 hour volume: 11264.62358106, 24 hour low: 231.44, 24 hour high: 241.23, 24 hour vwap: 236.465583945
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00044094 = 17.3289 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004557 = 15.6761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 448 @ 0.00482207 = 2.1603 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00044803 = 20.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.00043528 = 50.3837 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00044618 = 24.0937 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
assbot: abfg / gildedtxt / source / exchanges — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1vB3TJk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.00042875 = 25.6393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 406100 @ 0.00043313 = 175.8941 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Positive Research Center: The research: Mobile Internet traffic hijacking via GTP and GRX ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9Nm4h )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132052 @ 0.00042452 = 56.0587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00042442 = 1.6552 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00043523 = 14.1667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62546 @ 0.00042393 = 26.5151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00042157 = 1.0135 BTC [-]
cazalla: punkman, oh nice, that'll be a help
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00043035 = 3.4643 BTC [+]
assbot: Damo and Darren - 'Skatepark' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17dx7YW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20013 @ 0.00042808 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65450 @ 0.00042071 = 27.5355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00042043 = 9.9415 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4245 @ 0.00042019 = 1.7837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00042018 = 22.9628 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021145 << incidentally, whippits are also sold in sex shops. surely the local systemd has monetized pleasure?
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:59; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2015#1021140 < i know of a guy (elementary school classmate) who did it on a sloped road. lost a few front teeth.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00042912 = 3.5188 BTC [+]
jurov: catching up with logs and on 'ic printer' ... perhaps fpga-like discs burnable with bluray are more feasible?
jurov: but I have no idea who can be motivated to develop this.. certainly not bezzle valley
jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90532 @ 0.00041986 = 38.0108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00042709 = 30.0031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85593 @ 0.00041967 = 35.9208 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai feels sorry for reference frames that classify sudden di[tz]zyness as "pretty high"
assbot: British Darkmarket Ricin Arrest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vSqZRu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00042709 = 25.4546 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: height=194563 vs height=183404
danielpbarron: 5400 rpm drive is.. stupidly slow
danielpbarron: might only be useful for copying an already synced chain onto
danielpbarron: i'm sure once it's caught up i'll do fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86950 @ 0.00042361 = 36.8329 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
assbot: Russian researchers expose 'NSA's Secret Weapon' to spy on every computer on Earth | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/17lyV1I )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042306 = 13.2841 BTC [-]
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 23:48:30; mircea_popescu: lobbes wd.
lobbes: I have no idea what is running on my bill-gates machine, but I can find that answer in less than a second on my Debian VPS
lobbes: can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
cazalla: lobbes, full blown aids
cazalla: now with linux i thought i was clean but turns out i was just hiv positive
jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know
mircea_popescu: lol i kept messaging assbit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00042869 = 30.0512 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
cazalla: yeah, i hate everything, oh happy day i throw all these computers in the fkn bin
mircea_popescu: it's not part of the aging process, it's part of the society going to shit.
mircea_popescu: "progress" or w/e they call it.
jurov: this seems to be related with you avoiding stupid people around you
mircea_popescu: wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
cazalla: farmers gon' farm
jurov: when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
mircea_popescu: jurov right.
lobbes: jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
lobbes: which seems to end with ultimate disatifaction lol
lobbes: such is life, eh?
cazalla: lobbes, that's an aussie saying ya know, ned kelly and all that
cazalla: bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
lobbes: cazalla: I'll admit I just googled that. I always thought it was of 'French origin'
lobbes: 'c'est la vie'
lobbes: I dig aussies, though, so I'll go with that origin
cazalla: well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
lobbes: cazalla, okay but tramp stamp or chest?
cazalla: depends if you're a bloke or sheila
lobbes: bloke, but if I ever get thrown in jail it would be almost poetic if I get butt-raped
cazalla: are you some type of shirt lifting poofter or wut
lobbes: ahaha
lobbes: naw I'm just fucked in the head
mircea_popescu: sheila ahaha.
thestringpuller: u wot m8?!?
cazalla: thestringpuller, u taking the piss mate? u having a go? u wanna go?
cazalla: tmw is such a write off after drinking this much
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tmw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee  ...
cazalla: tomorrow
cazalla: which is todaya
cazalla: this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
mircea_popescu: i actually had no idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115450 @ 0.00042912 = 49.5419 BTC [+]
cazalla: 3am drunk cooking, what can i come up with!
cazalla: kebab be good though, remembers me about some doner discussion here at some point
cazalla: donair, that was it
cazalla: the fuck is a donair
lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
cazalla: not sure you can over pay for a good kebab
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66105 @ 0.0004257 = 28.1409 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: super cazalla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96657 @ 0.00042306 = 40.8917 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic.
asciilifeform: ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note)
asciilifeform: to misrepresentation of what the interesting part of the payload is
thestringpuller: what is the interesting part of the payload?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79740 @ 0.00042306 = 33.7348 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
danielpbarron: i've seen such sensationalist headlines as "the only way to stop the NSA from spying on you is to smash your hard drive"
ben_vulpes: fukkin payroll
ben_vulpes: fukkin pay as you go taxes
ben_vulpes: fukkin cashflow
ben_vulpes: fukkin clients
ben_vulpes: fukkin fukkin fukkin
assbot: Greece's Talks With Euro-Area Finance Ministers Break Up - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1EK83n9 )
ben_vulpes: grexit nao?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00042912 = 8.3893 BTC [+]
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punkman: what, no grexit bitbet
punkman: oic two rejected grexit bets
assbot: BEFORE THE HOUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKema9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00042912 = 9.741 BTC [+]
punkman: ^ from some ISIS magazine: "The revival of slavery before the hour"
mircea_popescu: is isis migrating towards some sort of millenarism ?
punkman: that's where they started isn't it
mircea_popescu: i thought they started more from jihadish ideas.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.0916 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but the millenarian rhetoric was there from the beginning
punkman: "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah
punkman: , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
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ben_vulpes: punkman: links plz?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042133 = 14.1988 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: ben_vulpes: for?
ben_vulpes: rejected grexit bets
ben_vulpes: nm nm
ben_vulpes: hm there's the "any exit
ben_vulpes: by april"
ben_vulpes: sorry for wacky posts, arms are jelly from pushups
mircea_popescu: punkman you will notice this guy is an australian preacher.
punkman: mircea_popescu: of course he is ;)
mircea_popescu: i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
mircea_popescu: just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
mats: 01:41:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago ... << link? a googling wasn't helpful
mircea_popescu: anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting.
assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKk0t4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00042665 = 12.0742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51264 @ 0.00042912 = 21.9984 BTC [+]
assbot: WEB DEVELOPER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKomAg )
mircea_popescu: "Must multi task by helping answering phones, excel data upkeep etc.."
mircea_popescu: clearly.
mircea_popescu: "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
mircea_popescu: holy shit wait, $12 an hour ?! in la ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
mircea_popescu: usually one's short of gunmen.
mircea_popescu: !up wolverine
mircea_popescu: !up Xuthus
ben_vulpes: just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
ben_vulpes: this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but this is a definite meritous future thing for s.nsa to pursue.
ben_vulpes: unsurprisingly.
mircea_popescu: hory shit you're so right im bashing you.
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ben_vulpes: stahp it hurts
ben_vulpes: from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: maybe iut just sucks ?
ben_vulpes: how would I know...
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't as though i ever had good taste in music beat into me.
mircea_popescu: it's not even worth stealing, yo.
ben_vulpes: well and how would you know?
mircea_popescu: didn't you just say ?
ben_vulpes: no, i said i have no idea if it's any good.
ben_vulpes: i have no context or anything to judge music against.
mircea_popescu: is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
mircea_popescu: ergo, not worth stealing.
ben_vulpes: yet trivially available on UToob
mircea_popescu: that ain't stealing.
ben_vulpes cocks an eyebrow
ben_vulpes: nah man this goes back to why a btc torrent thinger isn't worthwhile
mircea_popescu: all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
ben_vulpes: people copying content have no taste
ben_vulpes: that one was for you
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for a /mircea_popescu eyes a cockbrow
mircea_popescu: ahahaha oops
mircea_popescu: imagine if a dude had a thick fat unibrow
mircea_popescu: and his roommates kept drawing balls on one side.
ben_vulpes: perhaps next time i take a whack at my bush i'll sculpt it into a cockbrow
mircea_popescu: it's disconcerting to cocksuckers.
ben_vulpes: let 'em squirm
ben_vulpes: they do anyways
mircea_popescu: and now, voice rampage.
ben_vulpes: ratings season!
mircea_popescu: !v artilekt
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
mircea_popescu: !up artilekt
mircea_popescu: !up bertani
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMatt
mircea_popescu: !up chiral
mircea_popescu: !up CryptoGoon
mircea_popescu: !up d9b4bef9
PeterL: hello lurkers!
mircea_popescu: !up eric
mircea_popescu: !up evian11_____
mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli
ben_vulpes: such a cheery morning to you all!
mircea_popescu: !up gernika
mircea_popescu: !up hegemoOn
mircea_popescu: !up hguux__
mircea_popescu: !up guntha_`
mircea_popescu: !up hktud0
asciilifeform: chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
mircea_popescu: !up itkin
mircea_popescu: !up Jezzz
mircea_popescu: !up Jrum
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
mircea_popescu: !up Keefe
mircea_popescu: !up knotwork
mircea_popescu: !up kushed
mircea_popescu: !up kuzetsa
PeterL: asciilifeform: are you setting up a clean room in your garage?
mircea_popescu: !up Lycerion
mircea_popescu: !up m4rCsi
Lycerion: ayyyy
mircea_popescu: shit im bored
PeterL: hello Lycerion, how are things?
lobbes: lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
Xuthus: mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ?
ben_vulpes: yeah learn you a common lisp or something
ben_vulpes: BE USEFUL
mircea_popescu: lobbes nah. io should stop spamming. Xuthus i don't actually code worth a shit.
Lycerion: PeterL things are well, hooby is hoobin, life is good
ben_vulpes: ;;ud hooby
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooby | (abstract noun or proper noun) A person, especially one not mentioned by name. Hooby doesn't have one. Who? Hooby! Hooby who? by krom23456 January ...
asciilifeform: PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
ben_vulpes: "garbage fab"
mircea_popescu: it could be clean breadbox.
mircea_popescu: but not room
asciilifeform: clean football-sized compartment is difficult enough in jungle conditions
asciilifeform: ditto high vacuum
PeterL: how big is a chip fab clean room?
mircea_popescu: depends on how big the fab is
asciilifeform: PeterL: factory floor
ben_vulpes: 500 - whole buildings
mircea_popescu: the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
asciilifeform: the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
ben_vulpes: also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
mircea_popescu: proof of this being the cosmic space.
asciilifeform: it does no good to take extant ic fab practice and work 'down'
asciilifeform: no good at all
asciilifeform: have to reinvent the entire stack.
mircea_popescu: no, im sure this is understood.
PeterL: need to reinvent it at a smaller, cheaper scale?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
asciilifeform: PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now.
asciilifeform: entirely different process
mircea_popescu: basically this is quickly becoming a problem of logjammed. "we need a decent-er system design, to make oses on". "yes, for which we nbeed a new chip paradigm". "yes, which really needs better systems design for oses and such". "yes, which..."
asciilifeform: that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
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mircea_popescu: ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer.
mircea_popescu: motivation to make it however, does.
asciilifeform: and yes, it would have some resemblance to cd-r
asciilifeform: but realize that cd-r 'cheats' by having existing guide marks
mircea_popescu: i wonder, and bear with my layered ignorance on all matters of import, but i wonder :
mircea_popescu: is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
PeterL: and cd-r moves basically one dimension
mircea_popescu: you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
mircea_popescu: as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's actually reminiscent of one idea i looked into - optical logic produced photographically via laser
mircea_popescu: basically, I want to play music ? i can now get a 5 x 6 sheet of polyester, glue cds on it printed with this thing, and plug it in.
mircea_popescu: it .. sort of... kinda plays derpy 8 bit mono something.
asciilifeform: but cd-r blanks ain't it.
asciilifeform: intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: i just meant, use the items somehow.
asciilifeform: it isn't a universally-addressable polar coordinate laser cutter, if you were wondering.
mircea_popescu: it'd literally be a repurposing of garbage.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
mircea_popescu: after all the disk is flat.
mircea_popescu: for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
asciilifeform: resistive ?
mircea_popescu: start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
asciilifeform: well no doubt
asciilifeform: but what was the music box ?
asciilifeform: and, related, historical,
asciilifeform: ;;google lightscribe
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mircea_popescu: !s resistor dac
assbot: 0 results for 'resistor dac' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistor+dac
asciilifeform: ^ one vendor sold cd-r drives (and disks for extra cost with specially-coated labels) that contained fw to translate raster to polar, and print stickers
mircea_popescu: o no fucking way
asciilifeform: !s covox
assbot: 4 results for 'covox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox
mircea_popescu: this was discussed i swear
asciilifeform: ^ there we go
asciilifeform: had to jog memory
mircea_popescu: the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
mircea_popescu: specifically because it doesn't.
asciilifeform: tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
asciilifeform: since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
mircea_popescu: the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: basic idea - sure
mircea_popescu: it's what you said.
mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
mircea_popescu: but completely rather than just "progressively".
asciilifeform: but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
mircea_popescu: why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
mircea_popescu: which is where it ties into "new os"
asciilifeform: i'd love to expunge -all- existing ic
asciilifeform: but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
mircea_popescu: well here's the thing : there's no way to expunge part of it.
mircea_popescu: if you do it, you do it all.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> 0 results for 'resistor dac' << you know this came to 0 because you had to ruin steming ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: what do you have to say for self nao alf!
asciilifeform: can still switch it on, iirc
asciilifeform: and it'll return every single line ever logged, lol
mircea_popescu: (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
asciilifeform: well literally 9 of 10 searches i ever did on that page returned garbage specifically because of stem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
asciilifeform: much less refine brass
asciilifeform: - that - continues to happen in izhevsk
ben_vulpes: i recall a story from a stephenson book, about a machine that computed with chains run through computing boxes
ben_vulpes: as the chains moved through the boxes, the boxes flipped bits on each link
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
ben_vulpes: now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is called 'ladder logic' among factory automation folks
ben_vulpes: myes, i've been brutalized by it.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
mircea_popescu: gotta to revert to that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ultimately factory is an artifact of craftsmanship
asciilifeform: so in that sense craftsman never died.
mircea_popescu: in this sense your senator's also your representative.
mircea_popescu: assbot is pretty rugged isn't he.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
asciilifeform: ah - that.
asciilifeform: well, yes.
asciilifeform: !s naggum binders
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felipelalli: if you will learn something, invest in Haskell or Scheme.
asciilifeform knows both quite well, does not use today
felipelalli: it's nice, isn't?
asciilifeform: what is ?
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thestringpuller: http://nopiracy.org/ << this is a thing now
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
mircea_popescu: what's left is essentially, "IP holders, and companies aspiring to be one day bought by ip holders"
punkman: "URGENT: RNG broken for last 4 months"
mircea_popescu: great win for freebsd.
asciilifeform: the folks responsible - have names.
mod6: yikes
asciilifeform: for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
asciilifeform: and they tend to recurr
asciilifeform: but i really can't think of a good reason why anyone should be able to pull this shit twice.
mircea_popescu: gurney tho ?!
asciilifeform: exposed
asciilifeform: not authored
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the authors.
punkman: where is the open source shame list
mircea_popescu: afaik he fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
mircea_popescu: so, everywhere else.
punkman: no I mean we need a website with names and photos
mircea_popescu: also, apparently it's current, not stable.
mircea_popescu: so it's not ACTUALLY a big deal in any sense. you're not supposed to run experiments in production.
punkman: ah I assumed current meant stable
mod6: no -STABLE is stable
asciilifeform: a great many freebsd users, at least at one point, ran 'current'
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently lots of people did.
mod6: current = uber-crasher
mircea_popescu: yeah i dunno that you can do that today asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing
asciilifeform: that was an enemy flag being hoisted
asciilifeform: surrounded by heads of the fort defenders
jurov: what pride list?
mod6: everytime i've ever followed -current i end up with a lot of panic!s
jurov: ;;ticker
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mod6: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/introduction.html << 1.8 & 1.9 outline what each -CURRENT & -STABLE are meant for. if anyone was still confused.
mircea_popescu: jurov you know, the signed commits thing
mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer
jurov: it's signed patches not commits and it's in disarray right now :(
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jurov: have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
jurov: btw, anyone needs sysadmin? some deals fell through
mircea_popescu: jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it
mircea_popescu: you defo have enough experience to handle it.
jurov: i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
mircea_popescu: weren't you running an open bash server at some point ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov why not run a bitcoin host ? we kept wanting it << yeah!
jurov: okay i'll consider it
jurov: re: simpleshell.com everything in chroot was killed after 15 minutes, that's is quite a difference from permanent setup, and abuse reports were last blow
mircea_popescu: if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
mircea_popescu: but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
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jurov: i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
thestringpuller: all humans must sleep
thestringpuller: what about Namworld?
jurov: namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
mike_c: you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
asciilifeform: call ft meade, they'll work for phree
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mod6: lol
lobbes: I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
lobbes: Sounds like a cool learning opportunity though
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor
asciilifeform: where medical students have 'learning opportunity'
asciilifeform: but rather something that has to actually work...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform's wrath bit flips on
jurov: lobbes if you want, i can give you simpleshell.com to learn it's low maintenance, but also low profit
jurov: (low 10's monthly from ads)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?'
lobbes: asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
jurov: https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell
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lobbes: jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
jurov: and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
asciilifeform: aws << damn
asciilifeform: phuctor, in particular, really wants a genuine machine
asciilifeform: (cpu-bound)
asciilifeform: afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc...
danielpbarron: "Every word out of your and MP's mouths is disgusting. Your vision for Bitcoin is disgusting. Everything about you is disgusting. I can't wait for everyone decent to prove to you just how wrong you are about everything you've said in all the threads and blog posts about this fork." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10493254#msg10493254
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asciilifeform: tilt lol
jurov: they do hae "dedicated" instances, but i'm not pressing the point
asciilifeform: ruinous cost
asciilifeform: and wtf, actual computers are extinct or what
mike_c: ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many.
mike_c: the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
asciilifeform: well yes, but mine is not a high-budget operation
asciilifeform: i need precisely one box.
mike_c: well, that's why jurov resells them.
mike_c: (in the future)
asciilifeform: i would also like it to be a fucking -actual computer-
asciilifeform: not an aws chimera
mike_c: why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
jurov: virtual hardware can eat shit too
mike_c: and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
jurov: well, have you read what herbijudlestoids wrote?
jurov: it's all but trivial
asciilifeform: wai wat
mike_c: recently? don't think so.
jurov: or i miisunderstood what's he doing?
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jurov: and lines below that
mike_c: hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management.
mike_c: but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
mike_c: if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
mike_c: look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
jurov: you know, aws itself recommends "to get best reliability, have servers in multiple availabiltiy zones"
jurov: so, again, all but trivial stuff
mike_c: yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
jurov: oh you're arguing reliability? i missed that
mike_c: i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
mike_c: it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
jurov: which service? if it's phuctor, i can imagine it relies on sole access to fast SSD storage.
jurov: this isn't something given on aws
mike_c: he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
mike_c: and the service is: computing power for btc
mike_c: or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
asciilifeform: mike_c: i don't -want- aws
asciilifeform: of any kind
asciilifeform: i do not want it in the zoo,
asciilifeform: i do not want it with a gnu,
mike_c: mhm. for unspecified reasons
asciilifeform: i do not want it in a ham,
asciilifeform: i do not like it, sp4m i am
asciilifeform: to paraphrase the poet
mike_c: 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
asciilifeform: and don't like it
asciilifeform: would like to get off!
jurov facepalms
jurov: mike_c pls don't alienate my customers
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws.
jurov: if they know what they want, im not pressing it
asciilifeform: at no less than 30-50 usd/mo
asciilifeform: out of me lunch money
mike_c: don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
mike_c: customer's don't know what they want
jurov: l0l
asciilifeform: mike_c: worse than this. 1) i'm paying 2) not getting terribly much, have ~5mil keys that have not been dumped in on account of - elementarily - lack of cpu
mike_c: listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101.
mike_c: asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
jurov: so you want me to sell him c3.something aws instance and lie to him it's physical?
asciilifeform: i've said it at least thrice, and will say a fourth time - all s.nsa expenses that are denominated in usd have been de-facto fronted by yours truly
asciilifeform: who has no safe way of converting so much as a bitcent to usd.
mike_c: jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
mike_c: down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
mike_c: and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay.
jurov: at that price maybe a seat at my guerrilla home router.. but that one has only a celeron and main computer is too noisy to keep on all time
jurov: but i'll be asking around , we'll see
jurov: btw, dedi aws is not one-time cost. they ask $2/hour if *any* is running in the region
jurov: do your maffs.
mike_c: one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
mike_c: so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
jurov: and you're buying, like 10 of them?
jurov: or anyone here?
asciilifeform: for perspective,
mike_c: jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
asciilifeform: i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo
asciilifeform: for unrelated purpose
asciilifeform: no hidden costs
asciilifeform: no surcharges for bandwidth
mike_c: the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
jurov: was it ever ddosed?
mike_c: that too
asciilifeform: and remained standing
asciilifeform: the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing
jurov: "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
asciilifeform: didn't kick, either
mike_c: did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
asciilifeform: now that, didn't try
mike_c: (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
asciilifeform: for that, fix is generally easy, host in .ru
jurov: aws will forward them to yo
jurov: "explain or else"
asciilifeform: but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having
mike_c: jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
jurov: i didn't dare to find out just to keep a toy afloat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17958 @ 0.00042976 = 7.7176 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: this is a classic, do it right with ev- or do it wrong
jurov: !s abuse from:jurov
assbot: 4 results for 'abuse from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abuse+from%3Ajurov
jurov: nope. i'm certain i talked about it here before.
kakobrekla: prolly stemming issue
mike_c: !s abus* from:jurov
assbot: 7 results for 'abus* from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=abus%2A+from%3Ajurov
kakobrekla was jus trollin
mike_c: :)
mike_c: kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
kakobrekla: you want dupe keys?
mike_c: i want there not to be dupe keys.
mike_c: but there are.
kakobrekla: there are?
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
kakobrekla: maybe imported from gribble
mike_c: i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
kakobrekla: this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
mike_c: ugh. perhaps.
danielpbarron: SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
punkman: blocks version 3 now
danielpbarron: well.. 1 in 100 at least
punkman: oh and they are already talking about version 4
danielpbarron: bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
asciilifeform: axe-time, sword-time, coming closer.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
punkman: well v3 brings strict signature format, not such a bad thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00042659 = 6.9321 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: punkman: not bad thing if -we- do it
asciilifeform: if phoundation does it - cure for cancer is bad thing.
asciilifeform: ipso facto.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i prefer hammer time
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so
asciilifeform: 'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won’t support.'
asciilifeform: ^ shitgnomism without limit
danielpbarron: also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
danielpbarron: link still works
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
thestringpuller: this box will need nuke to cleanse :(
asciilifeform: 'be smart - don't start'
thestringpuller: the power rangers have outdone themselves this time...
mod6: It's a shit-blizzard, Randy.
thestringpuller: ^-- this is great description
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Phoundation Client is as if Ricky wrote it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00042659 = 17.3622 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156700 @ 0.00043403 = 68.0125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74809 @ 0.00042659 = 31.9128 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40590 @ 0.00043714 = 17.7435 BTC [+] {2}
lobbes: !rate jurov 1 Letting me derp about to get http://simpleshell.com/ back up and running
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a433a6dc63a3e33a
assbot: SimpleShell ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9NBjH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27157 @ 0.00043735 = 11.8771 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.0004339 = 27.5743 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: in other news
asciilifeform: i managed to order a couple of boards from that weirdo board house
asciilifeform: costing almost exactly their weight in gold
asciilifeform: and with >2wk lead time
asciilifeform: curious if what arrives, actually works
asciilifeform: (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
asciilifeform: the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell
asciilifeform: but finally agreed to take the money...
Adlai: "Snapchat seeks new funding at up to $19 billion valuation" ie, "one interchangeable centralized messaging service butthurt over inferior valuation, seeks to call and raise"
danielpbarron: !up hdbuck
thestringpuller: They need more mone already?!?!?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004339 = 2.0827 BTC [-]
Adlai: gotta push the $ in $napcash
danielpbarron: hdbuck, nice forum post :D
asciilifeform: in yet unrelated, yet other news,
asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild
asciilifeform: (gnat-gcc-4.3.5)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00042902 = 15.4876 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla for your qntrian consideration: https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo too ^
assbot: Who's Using Ada? ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3THyf )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00077898 = 2.3369 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz )
pete_dushenski: ^featuring the late great mike hearn
mircea_popescu: heh okat
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
pete_dushenski: though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
pete_dushenski: as if any of those words were descriptive or actionable
pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta pretend!
thestringpuller: oh mike hearn is undead too?
pete_dushenski: mr. heartbleed ?
pete_dushenski: oh most certainly
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'm renting a physical (yes) box for ~25 usd / mo << wherewherewhere
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'corenetworks'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do
ben_vulpes: waaaaa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11441 @ 0.00042659 = 4.8806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37073 @ 0.00042375 = 15.7097 BTC [-]
Adlai: asciilifeform: which concern is (yes) meant to answer?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in what interesting and special ways *does* it suck?
asciilifeform: Adlai: wai wat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron
Adlai: "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
ben_vulpes: just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
asciilifeform: Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware
ben_vulpes: ty nevertheless
Adlai: asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
asciilifeform: now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum
asciilifeform: but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
asciilifeform: that being, modest 'grey haired' boxes (as old as p3) with a modest mirrored raid, mechanical disks, half a gb of ram
Adlai: half a gb!
thestringpuller: that used to be a lot back in da day
asciilifeform: unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application
Adlai: it's enough for my development bots
Adlai: yep
mircea_popescu: nanotube well somehow mike_c found a case.
asciilifeform: Adlai: boxes that -i personally- could visit where i live start around ~1k usd/mo
asciilifeform: at the lowest possible end.
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:55:50; mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
asciilifeform: Adlai: how come you don't use 'save-lisp-and-die' ?
Adlai: some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
asciilifeform: also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes
asciilifeform: (rather than sbcl threads)
asciilifeform: sbcl supports proper (native) threading for ages now, iirc
Adlai: "Tasks: 27, 90 thr"
asciilifeform: that doesn't answer why it needs >1 sbcl running
Adlai: it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
Adlai: also nice to have some level of isolation if i royally screw up one image
Adlai: swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly
Adlai: the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-]
Adlai: ahahahaha pete_dushenski thank you for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W1weeK2UA#t=242 this is just what i needed before sleep
assbot: Dogeparty 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACeJX7 )
pete_dushenski: lol my pleasure
pete_dushenski: that video made me laugh for a good few minutes
mircea_popescu: ahaha ofmg
Adlai: "like LEIKA?"
Adlai: is where i died
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+]
Adlai: incidentally, she did to, as will the doge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+]
assbot: CAVIRTEX Shutting Down Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACfQpG )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?
mike_c: nanotube: here's the weirdness:
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgqUs )
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACgumX )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo nice :D
mike_c: note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
mike_c: and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
nanotube: mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00042483 = 16.356 BTC [-] {2}
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: fuck joseph david.
cazalla: i actually saw this the other day https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh
assbot: BTC and LTC deposits & withdrawals are temporarily disabled while we investigate suspicious activity. All client funds are safe and secure.
cazalla: well yesterday even
ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you elaborate specifically what part of it all you suppose merits a whole article ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: an article about how 500 other articles sucked donkey balls ?
asciilifeform: that doesn't sound very interesting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.
asciilifeform: but there are thing that ought to be said
asciilifeform: gimme a cheat sheet on how to format
asciilifeform: need to include a photograph or two
BingoBoingo: just like pete did is fine https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw emailing photos is is prolly the best way to get them in. emailing text works too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00043778 = 4.823 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: google still picks up dpaste, would be better to use email or at least something google cannot scrape before it gets on qntra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44783 @ 0.00043963 = 19.688 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: to whose key should send ?
cazalla: either or
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: 512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync
cazalla: perhaps it is coincidence but since 0.10 core came out, my active connections are up to 60-80 and upload has almost doubled
cazalla: i am not running 0.10 mind you
danielpbarron: i haven't seen any blocks mined with this new version in a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00042454 = 11.5475 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: my client limits connections to 8 lol
thestringpuller: don't want all those filthy people connected to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19858 @ 0.00042454 = 8.4305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36814 @ 0.00041964 = 15.4486 BTC [-]
cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00044019 = 21.2172 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Is it dead yet?
cazalla: not yet and provided he keeps his distance, i won't do him in
BingoBoingo: Gotta assume he is more poinsonous than normal
assbot: Deinopis subrufa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19uvuas )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56817 @ 0.00044046 = 25.0256 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Note it is native to Australia. Explicitly mentioning it being poisonous would be redundant
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
asciilifeform: can someone dredge up mircea_popescu's old article which mentioned the imperative to use nonstandard computing arrangements to frustrate 'one size fits all' usg idiocies ?
asciilifeform: specifically this concept, as a paragraph or two
cazalla: BingoBoingo, he's not poisonous, at least not to me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The paragraph under this roman numberal? http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#identifier_6_49997
assbot: How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwqM9 )
assbot: The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwZFR )
assbot: Strategic thinking as an exercise pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19ux4cp )
asciilifeform: that last one's it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00044273 = 21.2732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00041939 = 13.4624 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: cazalla: http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/ << interesting re: crunchbase thingie discussed last night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00044273 = 10.8469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00044458 = 16.6718 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: "with additional fines possible prison time" s/fines possible/fines and possible/c
mike_c: cazalla: is pete's article out of date? cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it
mike_c: oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?
mike_c: the body says it is closing for good
cazalla: just needs a comma, i'll fix
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: fxd
mike_c: ohhh, i get it. time for bed i think.
mike_c: yeah, comma helps. thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11231 @ 0.00044458 = 4.9931 BTC [+]
cazalla: thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher
thestringpuller: for what?
thestringpuller: that thing I posted
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: am i to use your original wot key ?
asciilifeform: or what
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: WoT key works
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 343987 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45992117595.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.45673
asciilifeform: plz confirm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00043767 = 2.6698 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: paste checksum of plaintext when you get it
BingoBoingo: 7b0e48befe8051bdeb8a31272abb1b9067928e4a237110105897334a08b02fd197b47a52a3eb4bb508a2983b75e0457f059c85aff0f8aea9a161cb83fee14e31 << FOr plaintext saved as name "test.txt"
asciilifeform: it'll need a bit of formatting work
asciilifeform: (there are links to linkify and images to imagify)
asciilifeform: but otherwise ready to roll, imho.
BingoBoingo: Cool, I'll get to assembling the package
mike_c: ascii's qntra debut?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Nah he has an earlier likbez
BingoBoingo: ;;google buterin's waterfall
gribble: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/>; Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall>; [Documentary Interview] Vitalik Buterin - Bitcoin Is A Transition ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mge5h/documentary_interview_vitalik_buterin_bitcoin_is/>
mike_c: oh yeah. of course.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: please make sure the fragile externally linked stuff (marked) is mirrored
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on that with cazalla
decimation: asciilifeform: I was thinking about a 'home chip fab'
decimation: obviously modern lithography ain't gonna work
decimation: not to mention the provision of masks, etc
asciilifeform: the need for a steerable beam process is pretty clear
decimation: the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?
asciilifeform: that'd be the extant 'ion beam workstation'
asciilifeform: not useful for our purposes
asciilifeform: as it demands high vacuum, among other finicky and expensive things
decimation: what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic
asciilifeform: this exists
asciilifeform: called antifuse fpga
asciilifeform: sucks for exactly the same reasons as ordinary fpga
asciilifeform: but sucks even harder
decimation: I'm sure it does
decimation: but we are talking chip printing
asciilifeform: that isn't chip printing
asciilifeform: that's existing idiocy.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants - open catalogue, buy right now.
decimation: I guess my point is that it seems to be science fiction to me
asciilifeform: welcome to propagation delays 100s of mSec long. and idiot proprietary toolchains
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198233 @ 0.00044605 = 88.4218 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: decimation: thus far, it is.
asciilifeform: no one has yet suggested a practical means of doing it.
asciilifeform: that i know of.
asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24267 @ 0.00044887 = 10.8927 BTC [+]
decimation: that I agree with
asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry.
decimation: I don't see how one could 'shrink' a fab into anything smaller than it is (as it currently exists)
asciilifeform: that's the wrong thought.
asciilifeform: we don't necessarily need to 'shrink the classical fab'
asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory.
decimation: the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale
asciilifeform: good thermodynamic reasons to conclude that it is not doable in the general case
asciilifeform: (resolves to 'maxwell's daemon')
decimation: then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper
asciilifeform: as i pointed out earlier,
asciilifeform: none of the items that comprise most of the expense have changed since day one.
decimation: they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor
decimation: high power euv light source isn't cheap
asciilifeform: high vacuum, for instance, is still achieved in much the same ways as in 1930s
asciilifeform: the energy required to melt Si is ever the same
asciilifeform: (but costlier, as decimation points out, with inflation)
decimation: there have been incremental improvements
decimation: but not the orders of magnitude needed
asciilifeform: nothing that threatens to put it in your friendly local illegal machine shop, much less your kitchen.
decimation: no, that would require a 'cheapening factor' of around 10000
asciilifeform for one would rather not have HF in his kitchen
decimation: it's good fer ur bones
decimation: asciilifeform: that was a neat link about ada
decimation: I wasn't aware that it was still going strong in non-defense areas
asciilifeform: i've learned that there is not actually a good substitute for ada, as of yet.
asciilifeform: as in, something that actually provides the same functionality
asciilifeform: without the 'bondage & discipline' stylistic aspects
decimation: the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial
asciilifeform: gnat is both widely used and gpl
asciilifeform: (one of the conditions for the ancient usg mandate establishing ada 'foundation' is that the product must be gpl'ed)
decimation: I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'
asciilifeform: the certificate has nothing to do with ada per se
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asciilifeform: and is a separate racket
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0004491 = 21.5119 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: for which the chumps, yes, pay
decimation: no it's the real time os I think
asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the 'standard library' is public
asciilifeform: and (iirc) lgpl
asciilifeform: there are proprietary ada systems, yes. i have not been able to learn who uses them, and for what.
asciilifeform: but this being one of the only two programming languages in existence which are -standardized in their entirety-, in principle there is no reason - aside from retardation - to use a proprietary ada
asciilifeform: - actually - i can think of one
asciilifeform: gnat/gcc lacks support for some of the more exotic chips used
asciilifeform: 'MIL-STD-1750A' etc.
asciilifeform: ^ yes - actual cpu!
decimation: http://archive.adaic.com/projects/atwork/boeing.html << "For these projects, Honeywell purchased DDC-I, Inc.'s Ada Compiler System, using it as the front-end source for Honeywell's symbolic debugger. "
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decimation: asciilifeform: you can probably get access to mil-std's
asciilifeform: considering that the sole remaining makers of the product described in that one are chinese...
asciilifeform: not so hard
asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the ada-related material is thoroughly public
asciilifeform: and guess which are the only two programming languages to have 'rationale manuals' for every aspect of the language ?
asciilifeform: i can sorta see why naggum went in for ada
decimation: "23-Jan-2015 MILITARY STANDARD Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."
asciilifeform: it's a kind of 'polar opposite' of common lisp..
decimation: wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?
asciilifeform: decimation: that's traditional notation for a standard that no longer has a working group but has not been retracted
asciilifeform: decimation: definitely. more specifically, pascal-likes.
asciilifeform: (ada is quite like a more 'fascist' incarnation of pascal)
asciilifeform: phun phact:
asciilifeform: quite a few usg-sponsored war projects are still -struggling to modernize to ada-
asciilifeform: and making use of 1970s-era monstrosities (e.g., 'JOVIAL')
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system
assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: image blows up
asciilifeform: size it down to 640x480 perhaps
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/
thestringpuller: oh nice article asciilifeform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: / .. / - italics
decimation: asciilifeform: I once visited an faa 'en-route' center when I was a youth
asciilifeform thought that this was well-established
decimation: back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities
assbot: Control Panel, Air Traffic Control Computer, IBM 9020 | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQp4xc )
BingoBoingo: fx's applied
decimation: yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL
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