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mod6: here's the patch
mod6: here's a picture of what libs I had installed & openssl version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=be4Yr0MZ
mod6: i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list.
mod6: more good news. my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-]
mod6: (this is on debian 6)
asciilifeform: mod6: why did you snip the static build?
asciilifeform: mod6: that patch renders bitcoind-portatronic unbuildable
mod6: ah. i'll add it back in. no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part.
asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically
mod6: that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.
mod6: i'll have another patch here in a minute. meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: unrelated historical:
assbot: Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHsYD )
asciilifeform: unrelated2: anybody here into Ada?
mod6: asciilifeform: that look better?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+]
mod6: obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307,
mod6: passed 3rd checkpoint..
mod6: 4th
mod6: 5th
mod6: one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);
mod6: :/
mod6: s/autoremote/autoremove/
mod6: 6th checkpoint passed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+]
punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?
danielpbarron: exceptions
mod6: 7th checkpoint passed
mod6: punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl
ben_vulpes: punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
ben_vulpes: okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment
ben_vulpes: what's so bad about boost?
punkman: fuck boost
ben_vulpes: a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.
mod6: so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading.
danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?"
assbot: Comparing the C++ Standard and Boost - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSfMkZ )
punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does
ben_vulpes: i have no clue, man.
punkman: was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3
mod6: its thread safty
ben_vulpes: well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety
ben_vulpes: but as to danielpbarron's pointer...
mod6: mutual exlusion semaphore
mod6: *exclusion
ben_vulpes: i am full of questions as to how that's implemented
mod6: red ring + magical sword & shield required.
mod6: its hairy in there.
mod6: An adventurer is you!
ben_vulpes: doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
ben_vulpes: assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_
mod6: i think a lot of em are, yeah.
mod6: i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy
mod6: gotta add a patch for that stuff
mod6: thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight
punkman: mod6, did you statically compile that last instance?
mod6: no
mod6: i'll rebuild with STATIC and see
ben_vulpes: forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
punkman: not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one
ben_vulpes: yeah explicit deps are nice
punkman: and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages
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assbot: gorhill/uBlock · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mild0f )
assbot: Gelio (Степанов Слава) - An-225 Mriya is the world’s largest aircraft (English version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Milgt0 )
mod6: well, i think im just tired.
assbot: dpaste: 02JHVFN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClRY75 )
mod6: im not sure if that worked
mod6: OH
mod6: derp
mod6: "LMODE", not "LDMODE"
punkman: sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup
mod6: noted.
punkman: I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard
mod6: we'll get there :]
assbot: dpaste: 1MQCQMX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClSvWP )
mod6: height=128873
mod6: -Wl,-Bdynamic
mod6: i still don't think i did the right thing there..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Bitcoin Group Limited Run Afoul Of ASIC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinqJa )
punkman: ASIC heh
assbot: dpaste: 29Q2FMQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinZTc )
mod6: that's weird 'eh
mod6: this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic
mod6: oh LMODE2 didn't get set.
punkman: yeah that if clause is weird
mod6: i thought the IFDEF should do that
mod6: o.O
mod6: ok here we go, one more time
mod6: alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:
assbot: dpaste: 23P8VBE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Miotsn )
mod6: its like ~10mb larger
mod6: [1] + Segmentation fault ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped)
mod6: ho ho!
assbot: dpaste: 0VPYTWM ... ( http://bit.ly/1MioIDY )
mod6: well, thats all for me.
mod6: sleep(21600)
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cazalla: fucking lightning
fluffypony: cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it
fluffypony: lightning burns
cazalla: maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes
cazalla: how's that for a burn? :P
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: something-something-sheep
cazalla: it's the nzer's into sheep
fluffypony: I know, but you're right there
fluffypony: so by extension
cazalla: i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa
cazalla: fuck that lightning was so loud then
fluffypony: the lightning...was...loud?
cazalla: ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all
fluffypony: you mean the thunder was loud?
fluffypony: lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes
cazalla: then i guess that is what i meant
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fluffypony: punkman: I hate it when that happens
assbot: Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai4VRN )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-]
assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Bitcoin Group pulled up for pre-IPO chatter | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7K5m )
fluffypony: lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC
cazalla: posted that earlier
cazalla: you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that
cazalla: demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: bit of snow yest
nubbins`: oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april
fluffypony: !up hegemoOn
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hegemoOn: good morning ladies dans gentlemen
assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE )
punkman: cheeky
hegemoOn: it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank
hegemoOn: and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack
hegemoOn: nothing related to crypto-currency
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punkman: 'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"'
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+]
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davout: hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho
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BingoBoingo: Anyone looking to build bitcoind/bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD for wallet purposes likely needs to make this source change https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp
assbot: openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox )
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cazalla: danielpbarron, seems obvious eh
BingoBoingo: managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync
BingoBoingo: Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link
BingoBoingo: Block 60000 219 of RAM used so far
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Also qr codes for recieving
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BingoBoingo: Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution
BingoBoingo: Probably not I'd wager
BingoBoingo: 84204, over half way to the first wedge block
Adlai: why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes?
Adlai: you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit
Apocalyptic: Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program
BingoBoingo: Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment
Apocalyptic: can't hurt
BingoBoingo: changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish
BingoBoingo: Under 300MB of ram 100k blocks in
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased
BingoBoingo: They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore.
punkman: people have lost money with duplicate nonces
Apocalyptic: oh, then nevermind
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BingoBoingo: The just changed the mnemonic device to “A Replacement Call for Random” when the parts under the hood changed
mod6: BingoBoingo: Thanks for the links, the second one (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp) probably fixes this warning : src/wallet.cpp:858: warning: rand() isn't random; consider using arc4random()
BingoBoingo: I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed
mod6: ah, ok: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb << this will fix the random thing, but i don't think the makefile change here does anything.
assbot: enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj )
BingoBoingo: That, I don't know.
mod6: statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight
BingoBoingo: I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync
mod6: haha, nice.
mod6: after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed.
mod6: so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ?
mod6: i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001
BingoBoingo: 0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit
BingoBoingo: mod6: Your wedged?
mod6: ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001
mod6: that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o
mod6: this one uses LibreSSL 2.0
BingoBoingo: Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted
mod6: An adventurer is you!
mod6: I'm on block ~128k
mod6: so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up.
mod6: <+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment.
mod6: ok im off and running again
mod6: @ 130k
mod6: shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway. i didnt make the vm disk big enough.
mod6: but, will set up a different vm for this later
BingoBoingo: 138870 464MB of RAM
BingoBoingo: Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19}
BingoBoingo: Same block 522MB RAM and rising
BingoBoingo: Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed
BingoBoingo: Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash
mod6: ah, yeah.
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BingoBoingo: Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash
mod6: yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it.
mod6: here's a picture of my build/env: http://dpaste.com/19765BN
assbot: dpaste: 19765BN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoD1T6 )
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BingoBoingo: !up hegemoOn
hegemoOn: davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic
hegemoOn: if anyone interested i can c&p
thestringpuller: mod6: ugh dat wedge
mod6: you hit it on your linux box?
thestringpuller: yea 160k height or something
thestringpuller: you do getinfo and it just stays there lol
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mod6: run this: `openssl version -a`
thestringpuller: one second
mod6: eh.
mod6: no
thestringpuller: 0.9.8o is the one installed on the system
mod6: sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar.
mod6: so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond.
mod6: better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening.
mod6: ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though
mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
mod6: if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a'
mod6: maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well
mod6: thanks for testing!
asciilifeform: should always rebuild binarys on the local environment << not practical on embedded system
mod6: sure
mod6: just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries
chetty: interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie
mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops
mod6: :)
chetty: ;D
BingoBoingo: Would MS let them build IE?
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BingoBoingo: And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE?
BingoBoingo: As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid
chetty: <BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it
BingoBoingo: Wedge block coming up
BingoBoingo: passed block 160000 successfully
mod6: that's fine
mod6: the checkpoint block is 168,000
mod6: but you need to really watch out for 168,001
BingoBoingo: As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers
mod6: there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg''
BingoBoingo: ;;google rakeem oakland
Adlai: dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?"
Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father
danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes?
mod6: danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that.
danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right?
mod6: doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required.
mod6: yeah
mod6: i suppose anything is possible.
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BingoBoingo: Passed the wedge block at 169390
mod6: nice!
mod6: you're on 0.7x tho right?
BingoBoingo: The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it
mod6: well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different.
mod6: but good to know anyway.
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot Jojatekok
assbot: Jojatekok is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: !up Jojatekok
Jojatekok: ahh thanks :D
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thestringpuller: mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge?
thestringpuller: kinda annoyed @ the power rangers rite meow
mod6: thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g
mod6: thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx
mircea_popescu: mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg << o great
mircea_popescu: mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol why us? << chick's been reading trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/#comment-112142 i guess this is her trying to be funnay.
assbot: Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4jIMG )
mircea_popescu: moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time.
mike_c: write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
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thestringpuller: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
thestringpuller: mike_c: you around?
thestringpuller: oh 1157 EST, i'm blind ~_~
mircea_popescu: !up rucoi_
mike_c: what's up
thestringpuller: I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes
thestringpuller: the centric dependency graph may get crazy
mike_c: yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.
thestringpuller: I'm able to get 500 nodes with interactivity.
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thestringpuller: i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG
thestringpuller: then at least all nodes would be spaced
mike_c: yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout
mike_c: the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down
thestringpuller: mike_c you can with nodes: cookiechief.com/wotviz
mike_c: yeah, for l1 :)
thestringpuller: each node spawns from a central point kinda like orbits
thestringpuller: yea l2 will spawn from the orbits around l1
thestringpuller: it's just an adjustment in force
mike_c: when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes
thestringpuller: ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm
mircea_popescu: mike_c not necessarily bad is it ?
mike_c: depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2
thestringpuller: mike_c: I can apply the data to tilford style tree: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063550
mircea_popescu: ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes.
thestringpuller: kinda like "tree of life"
mike_c: thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest
mike_c: lot's of ratings between l1 members for example
thestringpuller: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 << yea hence why that particular part is easier with a node graph
thestringpuller: i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it.
thestringpuller: I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider.
mike_c: cool
thestringpuller: lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along.
mike_c: hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia.
ben_vulpes: peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of
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ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!
thestringpuller: "Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :)
ben_vulpes: come back with actual citations, troll
thestringpuller: !s from:ben_vulpes production
assbot: 15 results for 'from:ben_vulpes production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+production
ben_vulpes: i thought the automation was implicit.
kakobrekla: what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ?
ben_vulpes: i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla
thestringpuller: everyone is on kakobrekla's ignore list
kakobrekla: i can see you
ben_vulpes: i guess that answers that
kakobrekla: !rated thestringpuller
assbot: You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole..
kakobrekla: yeah see
ben_vulpes: ok ok i'll do my own research next time
thestringpuller: jus' like high school :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00040592 = 7.2254 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 760 @ 0.00972077 = 7.3878 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.01199429 = 5.9971 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up rucoi
mircea_popescu: Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com>
mircea_popescu: these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this.
mircea_popescu: Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([64.178.159.35]:63005 helo=amex.com)
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30210 @ 0.00040302 = 12.1752 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent.
mircea_popescu: " Look at how many responses you have received! And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/. Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)."
mircea_popescu: awww poor naggum.
mircea_popescu: "But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while."
assbot: Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vIN1pB )
mircea_popescu: punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock
mircea_popescu: can't update OR READ the locked matter until released
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28841 @ 0.00040853 = 11.7824 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical.
mircea_popescu: france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France.
mircea_popescu: !up JimJamReid
JimJamReid: Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating?
mircea_popescu: ask, don't ask to ask.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041048 = 9.2768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14491 @ 0.00041048 = 5.9483 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4059 @ 0.0004149 = 1.6841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37391 @ 0.0004184 = 15.6444 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00042115 = 1.7726 BTC [+]
mod6: A static build on debian 6 + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl v1.0.1g failed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Yt9c2U
mod6: This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release.
mod6: Might need some help on these ones for sure.
trinque: just looks like you need something in your library path
mircea_popescu: "How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle."
mircea_popescu: check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00042585 = 11.3915 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
mod6: thanks trinque
thestringpuller: mike_c: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2.
thestringpuller: loses sight of differentiation from L1 -> L2
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/index_mp.html << version just for you :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00042736 = 21.271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00041963 = 19.5128 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot topace
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/topace | http://w.b-a.link/user/topace
thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot jgarzik
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jgarzik | http://w.b-a.link/user/jgarzik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042795 = 4.3223 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: yea assbot/wind 3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00042795 = 7.1014 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00040051 = 6.9288 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00042795 = 5.286 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money....' << wai wat ??!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amex is retarded enough to actually allow this << allow what?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform redirect to outside website.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't...
mircea_popescu: how is this scam supposed to work then ?!
mircea_popescu: (i confess didn't bother to click)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: buggy spamatron
mircea_popescu: mabe they had the hole and fixed it ?
mircea_popescu: re the "you can't" derp : he spends about half the page trying to beg for donations. because hey, money is only dirty if you actually EARN it. otherwise's fine. http://maymay.net/#how-you-can-support-me
assbot: Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz: The Information Age equivalent of Johnny Appleseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJ5yC9 )
mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not impossible. amex spends a pretty penny on (what passes for) spam and crapware control.
mircea_popescu: was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too;
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you even find these... i could have lived and died without ever knowing about this fella
danielpbarron: i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts
asciilifeform: there are beggar-kings who earn more than any, e.g., programmer
mike_c: thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)
mike_c: asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?
mike_c: you were in the field.
asciilifeform: aha, neato
mike_c: it does seem to work now
asciilifeform: speaking of which, someone asked which robotic vacuum cleaner it was that had decent software. it was the one made by 'neato robotics co.'
danielpbarron: wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude??
asciilifeform: cthonian horror
thestringpuller: mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies
asciilifeform: re: the question of ripping out 'boost': not happening short of a total rewrite. it's used for virtually all iteration constructs, heterogeneous data structures, and 100 other things in the turd.
asciilifeform: srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing. there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00042727 = 4.6786 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00042727 = 4.9777 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i reach far!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser.
mircea_popescu: we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script.
danielpbarron: i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37794 @ 0.00042374 = 16.0148 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that << nope.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one.
mircea_popescu: it's won, what. your dad will eventually get it.
Adlai: well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly
Adlai: so "eventually" isn't good enough
mircea_popescu: not your place to make ~that~ call.
mircea_popescu: the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting!
mircea_popescu: (it sucks)
Adlai: it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
asciilifeform: for what 'qt' does, there is no real alternative (other than 'wx', which is arguably even more of a cthonian horror in some ways)
mircea_popescu: browser is an alternative.
asciilifeform: now, did the thing -need- a cross-platfom gui? don't ask me, i've never used it...
mircea_popescu: c code is cross-plantrofm.
asciilifeform: gui, remember
mircea_popescu: this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis.
mircea_popescu: people DID make their own miners.
asciilifeform: lol, i still don't know why it needed the gui at all
mircea_popescu: kinda same reason women need tits.
mircea_popescu: not like they wouldn't work without em.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell rucoi fix your bouncer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: if i could fork myself, i'd be severely tempted to: attempt an ada bitcoind.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles?
mircea_popescu: i'd have thoughjt a cl bitcoind
mircea_popescu: or for that matter a c bitcoind (as opposed to cpp)
thestringpuller: the original qt uses MFC stuff
thestringpuller: Satoshi sure did like windows.
mircea_popescu: i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week
mircea_popescu: we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code.
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MMH5KE.txt )
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely unfamiliar.
mircea_popescu: !s ada from:mircea
assbot: 1 results for 'ada from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+from%3Amircea
asciilifeform: naggum's -other- lang. the only one other than cl that had not only a standard but a -rationale document- for every page
mircea_popescu: i thought i musta mentioned it
asciilifeform: still used for genuinely safety-critical systems worldwide (virtually all jet engine controllers, etc.) - language from hell, required you to specify ranges for integers, and the like
mircea_popescu: uh. what typed language doesn't ?!
asciilifeform: i confess that i rather like it...
mircea_popescu: going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e
asciilifeform: nononono - explicitly.
mircea_popescu: listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this...
mircea_popescu: no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works.
asciilifeform: as in 'this one is odd and between 3 and 15 and if it ever isn't, pump in the halon
mircea_popescu: not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do.
assbot: Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpq1LF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00042927 = 14.6381 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ugly, pascal-like, but extraordinarily well-specified and strict to the point of bdsm
mircea_popescu: lol so yest someone hit trilema in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ?
assbot: The Anti Hacker Alliance fights against 74.121.38.141 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpqb5O )
mircea_popescu: now wtf is "shutterfly"
mircea_popescu: and wtf is "the anti hacker alliance"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently, a defunct (?) print house? - hacked box
mircea_popescu: derps. world is full of derps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while the latter appears to be an erzats 'spamhaus' ?
mircea_popescu: oh, xrumer harvester.
mircea_popescu: lmao idiots.
assbot: Ансамбль "Белое злато" - Казаченька молода - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D60h9X )
mircea_popescu: they'd be a lot better if drunk imo.
TheNewDeal: ;;Nethash
gribble: 309409813.454
assbot: Hyperbole and a Half: Adventures in Depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvMce )
thestringpuller: can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever"
mircea_popescu: qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama.
mircea_popescu: at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news.
mircea_popescu: !up Stunna
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << look at that, for once qntra traffic graph is not thrown by some social media spike so you8 can actually see some pattern
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpzhiN )
cazalla: feb is on track to be another record month
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
mircea_popescu: coolness
mircea_popescu makes a note that should anyone wish to "see studies" supporting the proposition of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ (ie, that *EVERYTHING* published in English is junk, and to be discarded out of hand), I intend to use http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/jama_deludes.html
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB87s )
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: What Political Propaganda Looks Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB9s2 )
mircea_popescu: absolutely perfect example of the pseudoscientific nature of American "science".
assbot: Ada95.ch - morris ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpBeMc )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform minor nitpick : all these people that never ever head foreman'd a construction yard shjould stfu about "tools". the tools used to build a skyscraper are, by and large, cheaper, more worn versions of the expensive DIY crap.
mircea_popescu: exactly like how the rifles used to fight actual wars are nothing like the crazy-shit-stick-on-all-sides "amateur" rifles.
mircea_popescu: shit it's dead.
mircea_popescu: "4. if you have the intellectual and physical capacity to single-handedly deal with your program, it's a toy " <<< sheeit alf, what nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 145 @ 0.01199999 = 1.74 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
mike_c: those qntra spikes are important though. 1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00042605 = 7.6476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but the spikes are never 100x the averae traffic. usually 10-15x
mircea_popescu: so using your numbers... they're actually unimportant.
mircea_popescu: in other news, firefox spontaneously combusts unattended on a 4 day old system. and they call this software.
BingoBoingo: !up whaack
mike_c: RENT just passed one year
BingoBoingo: whaack> can i have an up! por favor << He said please
whaack: i did indeed
mike_c: ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run
mircea_popescu: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00935000 / 0.01054944 / 0.01200000 (2246 shares, 23.69404349 BTC), 7D: 0.00851001 / 0.01030218 / 0.01200000 (2730 shares, 28.12494993 BTC), 30D: 0.00505000 / 0.00827112 / 0.01200000 (7238 shares, 59.86634509 BTC)
mircea_popescu: what was it back around 700 usd/ btc ? like 3 ish ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2985 @ 0.00075004 = 2.2389 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: floated around 0045 for a long time
whaack: how / where can I find more bitcoin stock markets like MPex?
mike_c: nowhere
whaack: no smaller ones?
BingoBoingo: not if you are comparing like things
mike_c: try this one: https://btct.co/
assbot: BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpWm6H )
kakobrekla: > They were called Virtual Currencies, now many prefer to call them Digital Currency or Crypto Currency.
kakobrekla: helluva argument
mike_c: "The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator"
whaack: lmfao
mike_c: !gettrust assbot burnside
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user burnside: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/burnside | http://w.b-a.link/user/burnside
kakobrekla: whaack https://bitfunder.com < also still up
assbot: BitFunder.Com - Join the crowd, every BIT helps! ... ( http://bit.ly/1yz3Fm9 )
mircea_popescu: and of course once that crashes it brings down the networking stack, which on ubuntu can NOT actually be restarted, mostly because it fucks up dbus and everything else.
mircea_popescu: in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu.
whaack: how many people in here have read the bitcoin core code? would anyone here consider to know it well?
mircea_popescu: !isup glbse.com
BingoBoingo: whaack: I had to chop mine up these past few days. It's C++ you search the text and nuke shit that you dun like.
mircea_popescu: whaack do yourselv a favour and read the logs for an actual result, rather than !imperative all over the place and a) not get anything except for b) marking yourself for termination.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able
mircea_popescu: there still is no substitute for homework. "socializing" not only fails to substitute, but actually has serious counterindications.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh i guess itis.
whaack: fair enough
BingoBoingo: Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background.
mircea_popescu: you should go into impressionism, this is chilling.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/how_to_get_rich_in_psychiatry.html << there's little quite as endearing as the misty excitement of a noob stockpicker.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: How To Get Rich In Psychiatry (update on stocks) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpY4oC )
BingoBoingo: n00b stockpicker me from freshman year of college really should have held those Sun shares through to the buyout instead of playing the hi-lo game
BingoBoingo: I bought at $3.80-ish Oracle bought at $16 ish
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...sheeit alf, what nao << not my fault if the poor sod contracted 'brainwater' and can't hold systems in his head
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brings down the networking stack... fucks up dbus and everything else... nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now << you will find that the ubuntu 'stack' that can 'go down' consists almost wholly of poetteringisms
asciilifeform: 'dbus' is unofficially but quite thoroughly a poetteringism, for instance
asciilifeform: other observation is that 'ubuntu' (with the above atrocities and many others) is no more 'linux' than wintel 'is what a computer is'
mircea_popescu: which is why i said.
mircea_popescu: it's like syphilis patient getting really excited about a phase 3 lesion on his nose.
mircea_popescu: dude... srsly missed the boat on that whole health thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what possessed you to set up the experiment described earlier?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00042605 = 3.2052 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not my machine.
mircea_popescu: "hey mp, wtf happened to my laptop ?"
mircea_popescu: what am i going to do now, corner time on knees ?
mircea_popescu: not about to do that. girl's 19, and more importantly ITS REALLY NOT HER GOD DAMNED FAULT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gurl enlisted with ubuntu machine? or forcibly deloused of winblows upon induction ?
asciilifeform: aha, guessed as much.
mircea_popescu: not precisely inducted either. it's a process.
mircea_popescu: 27.153.187.242 - - [13/Feb/2015:17:04:50 -0500] "GET /2013/what-is-art/%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22 HTTP/1.1" 404 28932 "http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, what is this supposed to even be ? like a sql injection ?
BingoBoingo: That would be my guess
mircea_popescu: and what, "enough" similar magic units to "do the job" ? looks like people try to hack like psychs try to medicate.
mircea_popescu: "hey, --\" didn't do anything on it's own, but what if you add another ?!?!
BingoBoingo: Could also be they might have been trying to trigger a resource intensive search?
mircea_popescu: mebbe i guess.
BingoBoingo: I'm just watching the blocks sync and thinking to the history I and verifying as it passed. Solidly in the S.Dice era nao
mircea_popescu: it's fascinating innit!
BingoBoingo: It's soothing.
BingoBoingo: After smashing my head these past few days through the painful part of the learing process... The software is now working for me instead of I for it.
mircea_popescu: "A similar example is the often cited myth that diagnosis of bipolar disorder is frequently missed. A survey found that 69% of patients were actually misdiagnosed, most often as having regular depression. An average of 4 physicians were consulted “prior to receiving the correct diagnosis.” But who is to say what is the correct diagnosis, when the diagnosis is based on vague and overlapping descriptions (and not
mircea_popescu: on objective pathology?) You can look at this the other way, and say only 1 out of 5 psychiatrists felt it was bipolar disorder, while the other 80% thought it was depression. So it pays to have the last word. Bipolar disorder is “frequently missed” not because it exists and doctors miss it, but because it is defined in a way which allows it, by 80% of doctors, to be legitimately called something else. The onl
mircea_popescu: y way to say the diagnosis was correct or incorrect, in the absence of objective pathology, is to say that the treatment they received for “bipolar disorder” from the fifth doctor was better (read: safer or more efficacious) than the treatment they received from the first four. This is not evident. "
mircea_popescu: fucking gold, this.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is EXACTLY the mechanism through which "80% of rapes are unreported".
mircea_popescu: out of five women that weren't raped, only one runs into idiots spouting insane troll logic that convinces her she retroactively was.
BingoBoingo: Re: bipolar - no one complains about feeling manic until the police get involved. Plenty of people spend lots of money of coffee and bolivian marching poweder trying to come close.
mircea_popescu: which, by proxy, is in point of fact a measure of the social influence / discoursive relevance of the insane trolls in question, and so yes it is a legitimate measure for them to target.
asciilifeform: just like it's not priapism till the fun is over and gangrene starts
mircea_popescu: but this from a machiavellian "how do we become more powerful" troll logic perspective, and spcifically not from a "helping raped women" or "helpiong women" perspective.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually in functional family arrangements manic episodes are usually the modern parlance equivalent of what used to be "senile aggitation", ie, granpa keeps grabbing jane's ass.
mircea_popescu: -> thorazine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo was referring to the american usage - artist (or compulsive bathroom cleaner, see the old 'meth' thread) who stays awake for two weeks straight on 'manic episode' etc
BingoBoingo: ^ That definition
asciilifeform: except he is didn't need to take the dope
BingoBoingo: American clinical definition
mircea_popescu: that's not what mania is, clinically, is it ?!
mircea_popescu: jesus that place is nuts.
asciilifeform: iirc dsm4,5 - yes
mircea_popescu: if anyone told engel that they can have manic episodes lasting over 24 hours now he'd have caned them.
BingoBoingo: dsm 3,4,5
BingoBoingo: probably earlier
mircea_popescu: (the psych, not the anarchist)
BingoBoingo: What can I say, the brokeness of English systemically effect domains people purport to be actual
BingoBoingo: 208378, took much of the off because I wasn't there to restart it while sleeping.
asciilifeform: what is BingoBoingo running, again ?
mircea_popescu: i think if i close my eyes and push on them really really hard i can almost sorta see the logic of this transformation.
asciilifeform was off in meatspace with people, missed quite a bit
mircea_popescu: it's brainwater.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.7.2 -qt on OpenBSD with some 0.5.3.1 patches applied as they can be (i.e. scrolling reading and fingers rather than patch utility)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Executable was finally birthed this morning
asciilifeform: but why 0.7.2 ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To see if it can be done. And what is the latest that still takes more of the sane patches. (entire leveldb series is out because making that build would be too much hell)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that probably is the latest, yes.
BingoBoingo: -qt just so there's more flags and libs to play with to plumb te differences between the platforms
asciilifeform: unrelated,
asciilifeform: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233 << picture the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive trabambourghini
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Build did not require the OSsuX ifdefs, but had to kill one linux ifdef and switch a boost lib called for another.
BingoBoingo: Beast utilizes both CPU cores
BingoBoingo: So far all crashes have come from malloc enforcing limits on its memory usage (512 MB by default) now giving it a go with moar ram.
asciilifeform: ^ wai wat, BingoBoingo has a custom malloc() replacement ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No OpenBSD has this stuff built in. Changing process Ram limits happens in login.conf
BingoBoingo: I just changed a line
asciilifeform: ah ordinary quota.
BingoBoingo: I dunno why I've been keeping the BSD stuff to toy and appliance uses for so long.
asciilifeform had a freebsd desktop for many years
BingoBoingo: Next to social engineering inertia has to be the second biggest threat out there.
BingoBoingo: I'm loving everything off by default and useful manpages.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everything off by default << not quite true. try building 'xorg' followed by 'emacs' and see end up with dbus, other horrors
asciilifeform: ^ assuming this was a recent openbsd
asciilifeform: ^ was the one where i observed this
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BingoBoingo: I'm leting DBUS live for now, doesn't seem to do much other than die a lot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it lets in various 'fun' like letting everything running on machine send arbitrary commands to virtually any gtk app (e.g., 'xchat')
BingoBoingo: From what I understand commercial shop Mtier which does a lot of their ports does "OpenBSD with Gnome and support contracts" as golden toilet product.
BingoBoingo: !up rucoi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am liking though that the xserver is not running as root
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive >> uh what, predict ovulation ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: target selector ?
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
asciilifeform is out of his depth, does not know if wunderwaffen based on arousal monitoring via far ir thermovisor is a plausible thing
mircea_popescu: well... in the sense bitcoind debugging via cpu ekg is a viable strategy.
asciilifeform: presumably would be used for selection narrowing in target-rich environment
mircea_popescu: if you think you can beat the primate brain with your electonic contraptions i have a rule based expert system to sell you.
mircea_popescu: you'll probably do pretty ok picking up the ecstasy-peaking chicks in a rave, i'll grant you that.
mircea_popescu: whether they hear anything you're saying or not tho is up for debate.
asciilifeform: this'd be more of a prosthetic version of some folks' ability to 'read body signs' of arousal/lack thereof
asciilifeform: at short (sword) range
mircea_popescu: temperature is a very poor variable tho. you'll just end up with a lot of flu.
asciilifeform: not of whole body!
asciilifeform: nobody needs that
mircea_popescu: candida infections.
asciilifeform: (except ebola scanner)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually - precedent
asciilifeform: for a short time in 1980s, liquid crystal thermo-indicator shirts were fashionable in usa
asciilifeform: even pants
asciilifeform: but were phased out, guess why
asciilifeform: (and it had nothing to do with infections)
mircea_popescu: they didn't work ?
asciilifeform: nope, precisely the fact that -did- work..
mircea_popescu: i dunno, leuco jewelry was more or less popular in ro, ever since the 80s
mircea_popescu: it remains in use by basically the same demo : slightly insecure 16 yo chicks that'll go into psychology.
mircea_popescu: maybe you're right and the deep reason is that it gives away more than peoplewant to.
mircea_popescu: lol. the sign of a healthy nubile female.
asciilifeform: ^ took surprisingly long to dredge up
mircea_popescu: her cunt's always warm
asciilifeform: always warm << one would presumably be looking for the deltas.
asciilifeform: rather than absolute value
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asciilifeform: now, mircea_popescu does not need this instrument, eagle does not need a glider
asciilifeform: but some folks might find a use.
mircea_popescu: well, so who does ? the snail ?
mircea_popescu: snail with glider just set itserlf up for trauimatic failure.
asciilifeform: 'if man was meant to fly... given wings' - ?
mircea_popescu: not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars"
mircea_popescu: let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. so you pick a target this way, and somehow it works out and now it's morning and she's in bed.
mircea_popescu: do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" << Nah, he'd just make the credit officer in the cage a bit wet on the brain
mircea_popescu: if you end up in a divorce ten years later, do you take the machine to court ?
asciilifeform: actually i suspect that the fun would stop very soon after strapping on (presumably it would have to be worn at waist level! disguised as a fly button?!)
mircea_popescu: see, this is setting yourself up for failure.
asciilifeform: walk into $targetrichenvironment and discover soon - no targets
mircea_popescu: if i had this machinery, you know how i'd use it ?
mircea_popescu: ID SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN
asciilifeform: not for $user at least
mircea_popescu: why the fuck disguise it. the mentality that cunt's the enemy is principally what keeps geeks in an onansitic state.
asciilifeform: SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN << lol, mircea_popescu must have spoken with asciilifeform's $pet re: how they met
mircea_popescu: you go like, "Hey, guess why I'm talking to you ?"
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. << I PREDICTED!
mircea_popescu: now let's hear it.
asciilifeform did not actually carry out this experiment! but was setting up for a variation on the theme, and this got out in his social circle
asciilifeform suffers from a peculiarly obscene perversion: has a hard time taking an interest in gurlz detectably stupider than him
asciilifeform thus had many strange plans, as a young man, for how to narrow the set
mircea_popescu: this is insanity. you want a girl that can be smart, not a girl that can't be stupid, for some arbitrary levels of either. just like you seek a horse that can run quickly, not a horse that is never still.
asciilifeform: this is not an interesting story per se except in the form of advice to young folks like BingoBoingo - don't do it!
mircea_popescu: bb is young ?!
BingoBoingo: 27 or 28 years young
BingoBoingo: Fuck 28
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how to tell if horse can-run-quickly without seeing it run ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can eliminate horse with missing leg
asciilifeform: or one that's been shot
asciilifeform: but doesn't tell whether can run. only that isn't out of the race yet.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ugh what is that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset
BingoBoingo: Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany
thestringpuller: mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging
thestringpuller: damn this shit grinds to a halt as the blocks get bigger.
asciilifeform: which 'this'
thestringpuller: with openssl 0.9something
thestringpuller: Bitcoin 0.5.3.1***
asciilifeform: classical or orphanage-burning ?
thestringpuller: i don't grok :(
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BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: its classic
thestringpuller: i used mod6 's script to do download/compilation
asciilifeform is not at all interested in running infinitely-memcancerous bitcoind nor can recommend it to others. but also cannot recommend the experimental patch.
asciilifeform will show the next attempt at a proper fix reasonably soon.
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asciilifeform: 'The altcoin exchange Excoin has announced that it will soon shut down after alleging that an attacker was able to withdraw all the bitcoins from the exchange. With a trading engine written in Go, Excoin launched what was predominantly a Blackcoin exchange...' << in other news, some animal stole the heap of shit a fox deposited in my yard.
asciilifeform: or wait, they had btc too ?
cazalla: along with some shitty altcoins
asciilifeform: '...featured a proof of reserve page which reassured members...' << how does a www page 'prove reserve' ?
asciilifeform: should we even ask.
cazalla: their claims, not mine!
asciilifeform: just astonishing that 2011 never ends
BingoBoingo: !up herbijudlestoids
Adlai: "We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time."
Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself
mircea_popescu: "Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage? And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body? Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing.
mircea_popescu: You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.)
mircea_popescu: And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better
mircea_popescu: suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL.
mircea_popescu: What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesn’t? Don’t laugh—I’m serious. What’s the answer?
mircea_popescu: Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data? (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?) But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings,
mircea_popescu: it involves itself in social policy."
mircea_popescu: best.quote.ever.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves.
mircea_popescu: this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA.
mircea_popescu: can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart.
BingoBoingo: bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sad thing is, idiots denied apa/ietf/international association of bloodletting & phlogiston - will reinvent them..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams.
mircea_popescu: wow herbijudlestoids in da house ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You actually here?
BingoBoingo: I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore.
mircea_popescu: this isn't about "every fuckhead's precious"
mircea_popescu: this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work".
herbijudlestoids: huelolelo
asciilifeform: thought this was about annihilated scientific fields
asciilifeform: or stillborn ones
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but in the wot, not in the world.
mircea_popescu: the world can rot.
herbijudlestoids: hows everyone
herbijudlestoids: i came to check yall behaving
mircea_popescu: did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ?
herbijudlestoids: nope, we are doin really well
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit?
herbijudlestoids: and, not funding :), actual paying customers
mircea_popescu: o.O impossibri
asciilifeform: what does herbijudlestoids sell, again?
herbijudlestoids: openstack based IaaS clouds
asciilifeform: aha timesharing
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herbijudlestoids: we doin good
herbijudlestoids: its very stressful
herbijudlestoids: i work a lot :(
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff.
mircea_popescu: you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ?
decimation: digital ocean?
herbijudlestoids: yup, we offer expertise for big providers
mircea_popescu: decimation on top of that lol
herbijudlestoids: we dont compete in the race to bottom
herbijudlestoids: so there is no herbicloud
mircea_popescu: this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same.
mircea_popescu: not up to you.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production
Namworld: Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore?
mircea_popescu: Namworld assbot forket wot.
herbijudlestoids: the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud
mircea_popescu: it's a much better implementation anyway
asciilifeform: decimation: 7000 sold/yr is not 'continued production' on the planet i live in
herbijudlestoids: because, it seems, most people not good at it
asciilifeform: decimation: it's inventory liquidation
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing
herbijudlestoids: turns out large scale distributed systems are hard
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ?
decimation: no, they claim to still be doing r&d
decimation: apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each
asciilifeform: decimation: they can claim whatever they like
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff
herbijudlestoids: deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc
asciilifeform: decimation: calculate what each unit would have to cost, approximately, for the vendor to stand any chance of breaking even
herbijudlestoids: we r pretty gud
mircea_popescu: yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips
herbijudlestoids: im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff
herbijudlestoids: actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails
herbijudlestoids: just like the gud old days
decimation: asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products
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asciilifeform: decimation: there was a scandal that broke not long ago, where it came out that usg is single-handedly keeping a number of fabs (mostly rad-hard stuff) in business
asciilifeform: decimation: their competitors are now whining, 'we want too!111!!!11'
decimation: that's actually suspiciously smart
decimation: of course they are
BingoBoingo: <Namworld> Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction
decimation: the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit
asciilifeform: decimation: you can probably guess that they didn't do it because 'smart', but because eternal contracts signed, likely, five or six presidents ago
Namworld: okay
decimation: asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart
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herbijudlestoids: tell me guise.
asciilifeform: phun phact: radhard ic is quite arguably obsolete - similar effect can be had using tandems
herbijudlestoids: wut happen?
asciilifeform: but this is a hatephact
BingoBoingo: Also with lead box
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who pays for launching the lead ?
decimation: asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion
herbijudlestoids: TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150
asciilifeform: decimation: difference is that those ^ don't actually need to work
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box.
decimation: but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond
asciilifeform: decimation: the orbital nukes - do.
decimation: asciilifeform: aye
herbijudlestoids: yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu
herbijudlestoids: i dunno what qntra is
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it
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herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In the 30GB's
decimation: asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync
asciilifeform: decimation: hence you can infer - real owner has not changed.
asciilifeform: decimation: could not change.
herbijudlestoids: yeah, being QA for the bitcoin foundation sounds fun...
herbijudlestoids gets right on that :/
mircea_popescu: decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from.
decimation: I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you?
mircea_popescu: his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ben_vulpes and mod6 run the thing
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herbijudlestoids: oh, is this the fork foundation?
mircea_popescu: no, this is the nonfork foundation.
herbijudlestoids: confusing
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: this is the actual foundation
mircea_popescu: there's also a scam foundation, but w/e.
herbijudlestoids: lol right in -assets land
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: there is also a phoundation pushing crock'o'shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu inb4
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it
mircea_popescu: but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork.
mircea_popescu: which attempt failed.
thestringpuller: they are still pushing that fork on some level
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer
thestringpuller: trying to push upgrades
mircea_popescu: decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners.
mircea_popescu: match made in heaven.
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: the basic idea, if i dare suggest that there is one, is a pedigreed 0.5.3 and a sequence of man-readable patches, signed by folks known to one another.
herbijudlestoids: 0.5.3 being the last version that -assets finds acceptable?
decimation: mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted
mircea_popescu: i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly.
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip.
herbijudlestoids: hey you guys know i had an idea
herbijudlestoids: for a quick-and-dirty-cardano
herbijudlestoids: or whatever that thing was called
asciilifeform: a brick on a rope.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered
asciilifeform: very quick
asciilifeform: dirty if you drag it on the ground first
asciilifeform: we already had herbijudlestoids's idea, see.
herbijudlestoids: odroid + touchscreen + linux + seahorse
asciilifeform: how about a vax and a vt100.
asciilifeform: why even.
asciilifeform head-desks
herbijudlestoids: the benefit of this is that you can encrypt messages too
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already.
mircea_popescu: the point of this place is cleanliness.
BingoBoingo: Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine
decimation: like the enigma & "tunny" machines
asciilifeform: decimation: laugh, but i actually considered this.
asciilifeform: decimation: also considered the nearly equally impractical ttl logic variant.
herbijudlestoids: i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen
assbot: Lorenz cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsI9iE )
BingoBoingo: Encrypt merely requires pub key.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now
BingoBoingo: Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed
decimation: yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine
asciilifeform: decimation: vernam (otp, xor) is trivial - mechanically or otherwise
asciilifeform: !up herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: assbot hate me
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too
herbijudlestoids: the thing that worries me about the cardano is upgrades
herbijudlestoids: what if i want to patch it
asciilifeform wishes he had a bitcent for every 'here's how you can make a quick cardano' letter
herbijudlestoids: or whatever
decimation: why on earth would it need to be upgraded?
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ?
herbijudlestoids: to add support for new ciphers or something? i dunno
mircea_popescu: you don't patch it, you burn it and get a new one.
herbijudlestoids: if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever
assbot: China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS )
asciilifeform: burn, new
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: if 'software-based' is what you want, i don't get it, you already own a computer ?
asciilifeform: why even interested in the subject then
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not.
herbijudlestoids: i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc
mircea_popescu: so buy a laptop
asciilifeform: laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc
herbijudlestoids: yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever
mircea_popescu: 10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display.
herbijudlestoids: or you could buy a brand new odroid for $35
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform: ^ no proper rng in any of the machines discussed here
mircea_popescu: if you can trust their closed stack turd.
asciilifeform: decimation: let's play with the satellite thing
decimation: herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist
asciilifeform: decimation: service ceiling of the j20 is, according strictly to rumour, 18km.
herbijudlestoids: well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is
asciilifeform: decimation: let's assume that the thing was flying at the ceiling
asciilifeform: let's also assume that the sat was in leo.
decimation: yeah those seem reasonable
asciilifeform: say, 160km.
decimation: that's pretty low, but okay
mircea_popescu: that was a lengthy intro for "let delta = 150km"
asciilifeform: so, 142km between shooter and victim.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: our usg readers may have some trouble with arithmetic, let's help'em
asciilifeform: next, inverse-square law...
decimation: well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ?
BingoBoingo kinda wants a Mig-25
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3600 / (150000**2*3.1415)
gribble: 5.09310838771e-08
mircea_popescu: half a millionth.
asciilifeform: decimation: true, i have no idea where it was (if existed)
asciilifeform: assumed - on account of article - on plane.
mircea_popescu: s/mil/bil/
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly
asciilifeform: decimation: why? because article claimed 'megawatt for minute'. if on ground, could carry on as long as you like at megawatt
decimation: yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft
asciilifeform: with mircea_popescu's genset trailer
mircea_popescu: a.... megawatt ? rly ?
asciilifeform: supercaps
mircea_popescu: gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ?
mircea_popescu: i can't be the only one that actually fired lasers.
asciilifeform: rayleigh scattering, yes.
asciilifeform: actually is the real limit to laser blaser.
asciilifeform: *blaster
mircea_popescu: how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made
mircea_popescu: splendid illustration btw
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
mircea_popescu: moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues.
mircea_popescu: there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes.
asciilifeform: satellites don't run away, either
BingoBoingo imagines bowling with a MIG 25
mircea_popescu: if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it.
asciilifeform: megawatt where.
mircea_popescu: it's 60mJ.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on it, supposdely.
decimation: nah if you want emp, you gotta nuke
asciilifeform: yes, it was thrown in a crucible, sure
BingoBoingo: Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release
BingoBoingo: !up herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: i identified with gribble still no voice love
mircea_popescu: assbot. pm it !up
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
mod6: thestringpuller: did you get the error message I told you about in getinfo? [ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2015#1017438 ]
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.macrofab.net/ << supposedly will make dual layer board with ~50 parts for $57 in two weeks
assbot: MacroFab, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKI8N )
asciilifeform: decimation: qty = ?
mod6: if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it.
asciilifeform: nre cost ?
decimation: but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried
decimation: I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing
decimation: if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee
asciilifeform: ^ not terribly useful in my case
decimation: no, not really
decimation: I might give them a spin to see if they really exist
assbot: The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsKpGP )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you are fond of that machine, you can download the mig25 manuals stack...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have one somewhere
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
decimation: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk < teardown and explanation of how lecroy 100 ghz oscopes work
assbot: Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn )
asciilifeform: decimation: lol, that thing rejects any 'eagle' board layout i offer it
Vexual: Hi all, herbi.
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc we did that scope here
asciilifeform: !s lecroy
assbot: 0 results for 'lecroy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lecroy
decimation: no we did a spectrum analyzer
decimation: from agilent
decimation: !s agilent
assbot: 23 results for 'agilent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=agilent
decimation: and it didn't do 100 ghz
asciilifeform: gonna guess that it works the same way my chinese 200mHz one does
asciilifeform: staggered adc
decimation: that's special $1 mil bezzle
asciilifeform: big phat deal, the cost of three tow trucks.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic
Vexual: ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough.
asciilifeform: not even clear to me that it's overpriced
asciilifeform: Vexual: wai wat ?!
decimation: the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci
decimation: asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100?
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CAM71A.txt )
decimation: once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment
herbijudlestoids: wasnt there some command you used to be able to run..
herbijudlestoids: i dunno..something like that
herbijudlestoids: i miss that.
mircea_popescu: so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead.
mircea_popescu: it's not been 10 years.
mircea_popescu: the web is fucking useless.
herbijudlestoids: yea wasnt vince cerf saying that as well recently?
herbijudlestoids: and i read a great article on archive.org about similar issue
assbot: Print out your photos or risk losing them, warns Google boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyO8IK )
decimation: "In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. "
mircea_popescu: fucking ridoinculous.
decimation: 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
mircea_popescu: well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history".
mircea_popescu: girl put her panties on correctly : over the garter.
herbijudlestoids: mesmerising
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