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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]
mod6 digs through debug.log
assbot: Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database · d68dcf7 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaspC )
asciilifeform: punkman: interesting find
assbot: History for src/main.cpp - bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaDkA )
mod6 looks
punkman: oh wait, not very relevant
punkman: that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye
mod6: asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
mod6: I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...
asciilifeform: either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way
mod6: (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
mod6: ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]
assbot: checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )
mod6: anyway, guess it doesnt matter
mod6: is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc punkman found a way to roll them all into the config
asciilifeform: (with no additional code)
punkman: connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work
mod6: ahh, thats right!
mod6: good-ole ATC taught us that :]
mod6: aight. time to test this out.
asciilifeform: mod6: we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync << we also get every new block thrown at us
asciilifeform: whether ready or not
mod6: ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
mod6: as opposed to these:
asciilifeform: mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers
asciilifeform: of questionable veracity to begin with
ben_vulpes: evening.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes!
ben_vulpes: salud
ben_vulpes: i come in unprepared for this conversation
mod6: asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
asciilifeform: mod6: i actually don't know precisely how old
asciilifeform: but certainly not real-time current.
mod6: alright. thx.
ben_vulpes: all of this over a few IPs
ben_vulpes: peer discovery is totally fucked.
ben_vulpes: unsurprising, but disappointing.
ben_vulpes: sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
asciilifeform: exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?
danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions
ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: first one is muerte
mod6 tries another
mod6: second one was active 1.34.180.245
mod6 eats
asciilifeform: mod6: use my liveness tester
mod6 try it out
asciilifeform: mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii
mod6: yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!
punkman: jurov, how come diff doesn't work http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/diff/src/main.cpp
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY5MWJ )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war
mod6: PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.
mod6: i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
mod6: im gonna leave this sync run overnight.
mod6: for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
mod6: buenas noches b-a
ben_vulpes: sleep well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014, in what.. 4 months.. https://www.quantcast.com/coinbrief.net vs https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Coinbrief.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/16g3fu2 )
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24}
assbot: Dashcam footage captures Taiwan plane crash - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16g5Xjk )
punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: punkman, horry sheet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: it's been dusty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: ;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: ;;rated irdial
gribble: You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.
danielpbarron: !rated irdial
assbot: irdial is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ ??
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280
assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin http://t.co/bTDihYENyC
kakobrekla: >Mon Jan 12
kakobrekla: after fork
danielpbarron: well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter
cazalla: i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: mthreat, is that a first?
jurov: you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
mthreat: jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure. MP said he would send it back if I want.
cazalla: well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
jurov: do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxdNQt )
jurov: it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1
cazalla: lol scam
cazalla: i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Lockroy
assbot: Port Lockroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxe2eo )
assbot: I just sent a 0.1337 bitcoin transaction from Port Lockroy, Antarctica - https://t.co/wV7cVjqjk2
jurov: (;
jurov: congrats!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up hdbuck
BingoBoingo: Hello hdbuck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]
adlai: bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]
jurov: gotta launch the pogoplug
jurov: int space
mod6: morning. ok lastnights test wedged going against a fully-loaded 70002 seed: http://pastebin.com/4Ps9ZxDJ
assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uXfhyQ )
mod6: no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001.
mircea_popescu: this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.
mircea_popescu: it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
mircea_popescu: note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
mircea_popescu: the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
mircea_popescu: decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
mircea_popescu: obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
mircea_popescu: so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
mircea_popescu: it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
mircea_popescu: same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.
thestringpuller: who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz
thestringpuller: hot swap those bitches
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: "Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
mircea_popescu: mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
mircea_popescu: the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
thestringpuller: o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
mircea_popescu: she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.
mircea_popescu: my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
mircea_popescu: seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
mircea_popescu: (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
mircea_popescu: mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
mircea_popescu: maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along!
punkman: mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/hZVCehf8 << for your editorial consideration.
assbot: Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL. First ever (as far as we currently know - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0MG0M )
mircea_popescu: "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
jurov: re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean
mircea_popescu: and also, isn't it merged into kernel by now ?
jurov: it must be enabled in any case
jurov: compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default
mircea_popescu: this is true.
PeterL: mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
mircea_popescu: nah, people can just use deedbot
jurov: half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.
jurov: i've got only a puddle fortunately.
mircea_popescu: what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?
jurov: yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"
mircea_popescu: visitation ?!
mircea_popescu: that's jesus showing up you know.
jurov: lolk
jurov: inspection
mircea_popescu: i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier
jurov: tap water is off. time to open beer!
danielpbarron: height=183146
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: gee, almost fully synced ?
mircea_popescu: has it even been a full week ?
assbot: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ffdW )
davout: asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
mircea_popescu: where's that head explosion gif
mircea_popescu: davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~3 days
asciilifeform: davout: nope. bastard node test on x86.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind
mircea_popescu: so how much memory ?
mircea_popescu: yeah well then not saying much.
mircea_popescu: you still got a pogo running ?
asciilifeform: not presently
asciilifeform: disassembled for attachment of jtag probes
asciilifeform: but didn't quite get around to it yet
asciilifeform: i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing
asciilifeform: also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one
asciilifeform: there's cpu to spare
davout: !s if you can't stop fucking with it
assbot: 1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can%27t+stop+fucking+with+it
davout: :D
asciilifeform: davout: funnily enough i've a second
asciilifeform: davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test
asciilifeform: davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.
mircea_popescu: with a change of curves.
asciilifeform: wai srsly?
davout: i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60
asciilifeform: this was actually shat forth?
mircea_popescu: ask davout he was there :D
davout: and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports
mircea_popescu: davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.
asciilifeform: davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier
davout: mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first
thestringpuller: Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy
asciilifeform: over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates?
mircea_popescu: i don't care.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then - naked.
mircea_popescu: not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.
assbot: Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsJnkZ )
jurov: "only" 23+5 eur
jurov: and that if you know anyone in germany
asciilifeform: jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb
asciilifeform: and a few others
asciilifeform: i just picked the price winner.
asciilifeform: from my own perch
asciilifeform: might vary elsewhere
mircea_popescu: im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.
davout: asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it
mircea_popescu: it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: who manufactures the pogo?
punkman: globalscale?
asciilifeform: punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this.
punkman: ah cloud engines maybe
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often.
davout: i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina.
asciilifeform: brb teatime
thestringpuller: ^- this guy makes me happy
mircea_popescu: davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O
davout: re pogo plug in europe -> http://i.imgur.com/7mtvBR3.png
mircea_popescu: this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: 90 euros wtf ?!
davout: ikr
mircea_popescu: hm, ok, this is highly suspekt.
punkman: loss leader only in bezzleland
mircea_popescu: clearly.
fluffypony: I ordered two off eBay
punkman: there has to be some chinese knockoff
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ?
fluffypony: lemme check price
fluffypony: they're in country at customs, should be delivered
fluffypony: by Monday at the latest
fluffypony: it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program
davout: in two weeks(tm)
fluffypony: so via Fedex
fluffypony: and you pay for customs / duties up-front
assbot: New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iKRG )
fluffypony: so for two I paid
punkman: still $50+
fluffypony: ORDER TOTAL US $52.60
fluffypony: + US $20.74 shipping
fluffypony: + US $16.26 customs
mod6: << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.
fluffypony: $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)
mod6: mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu
assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6j9Ue )
mod6: or internal log number: 1805961
mod6: 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140
mircea_popescu: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?
mod6: anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!
mod6: dig it up from ? the debug log?
mircea_popescu: ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"
mod6: i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.
thestringpuller: jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/ << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin
mod6: ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.
mircea_popescu: no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess
mircea_popescu: no huge rush
mircea_popescu: but it'll have to be dissected.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's because it has fewer.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.
punkman: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms < various other plugs listed here
assbot: Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsLPI0 )
jurov: http://pogoplug.com/devices *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe.
assbot: Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsMb1m )
punkman: does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?
trinque: my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: horribru error report.
mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
mircea_popescu: o hey cool going!
thestringpuller: "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."
thestringpuller: d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?
mircea_popescu: eh simmer down. what money.
thestringpuller: changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.
trinque: thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?
mircea_popescu: changetip ? srsly ?
trinque: thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater
thestringpuller: i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that
thestringpuller: but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money
nubbins`: thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape
thestringpuller: ^- that was my point
nubbins`: a career on redtube, maybe
nubbins`: so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...
nubbins`: no entiendo
nubbins`: see also paris hilton
thestringpuller: well her career improved vs. say paris hilton
mircea_popescu: nubbins` orly? who was her dad ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ?
thestringpuller: robert kardashian
mircea_popescu: hadno idea.
nubbins`: this is the only reason her face is everywhere
mircea_popescu: anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset.
nubbins`: oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film
mircea_popescu: no it's not.
thestringpuller: you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead
mircea_popescu: she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.
nubbins`: sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her
nubbins`: (objectively)
mircea_popescu: one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.
mircea_popescu: right. but they're stupid and fat.
nubbins`: so's the rest of her famous family
mircea_popescu: what do i care about her family.
nubbins`: all of a sudden it's about you?!
assbot: kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6oivx )
thestringpuller: "armenians are the black version of white people"
thestringpuller: her husband has higher net worth than her
nubbins`: y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter
thestringpuller: and kanye is a shitty businessman
nubbins`: if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags
nubbins`: even just one
thestringpuller: because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.
nubbins`: A++++++ would wait in line again
thestringpuller: nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags
trinque: nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans
thestringpuller: but it's replaced with "hipster mags"
nubbins`: i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer
trinque: yeh
mircea_popescu: you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D
nubbins`: t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads
thestringpuller: marketing is rape
nubbins`: i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years
nubbins`: 8 if you count english-language
trinque: yelling on the street corner != rape
mircea_popescu: anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama.
mircea_popescu: not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.
mircea_popescu: more girls like kim plox.
nubbins`: MICHELLE OBAMA: PREGNANT BY ONE MAN, IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER
nubbins`: thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!
nubbins`: trinque +1
thestringpuller: nubbins`: yea the fragile.
nubbins`: marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people
mircea_popescu: <trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.
nubbins`: too true
assbot: Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6pBKU )
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money
thestringpuller: ^- that's my point
thestringpuller: and Jay-Z associates with people who don't.
thestringpuller: which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73450 @ 0.0003785 = 27.8008 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ?
assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyeUG )
nubbins`: i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$
nubbins`: there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they have a whole line
trinque: among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http...
asciilifeform: incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically
asciilifeform: (small pedestal for single drive.)
assbot: Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyrHA )
punkman: also $13
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform: that's the one
asciilifeform: or actually no.
nubbins`: is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?
asciilifeform: that's an analogue cradle
assbot: Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyBi2 )
nubbins`: ^ nb price for 2tb
asciilifeform: it was, iirc, the 'goflex'
mircea_popescu: trinque lmao. it's so funnay.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle
nubbins`: maybe the "dockstar"?
nubbins`: ;;google seagate dockstar
nubbins`: first one
assbot: Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dez6J5 )
asciilifeform: ^ that one
nubbins`: i have "goflex desk"
nubbins`: i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.
mircea_popescu: "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."
asciilifeform: incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards
mircea_popescu: happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching
mircea_popescu: answer, always "stupid idea, forget it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall
mircea_popescu: noob, usually "fu why so elitist"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes.
mircea_popescu: the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.
mircea_popescu: to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"
mircea_popescu: "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"
mircea_popescu: hehehehe
asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate
mircea_popescu: "systemd wrote their own dhcp library"
asciilifeform: this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"
asciilifeform: when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw those in mass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa
mircea_popescu: they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway
asciilifeform: pick'em clean
mircea_popescu: "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."
trinque: looks like they want to kill etc too
mircea_popescu: this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"
asciilifeform: kill etc << apple killed it long ago
asciilifeform: the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit
nubbins`: seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever
mircea_popescu: "cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows"
trinque: big wink at the camera there
mircea_popescu: journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)
nubbins`: ethernet, usb built in as well
mircea_popescu: ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized"
mircea_popescu: systemd crap, is.
mircea_popescu: ok enough of this idiocy for one day.
asciilifeform: embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore.
nubbins`: oh, that's a MIPS processor
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar'
nubbins`: [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?
asciilifeform: that was it
nubbins`: what sorta chip's that running on?
nubbins`: marvell kirkwood
nubbins`: 1200mhz!
chetty: <mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user
asciilifeform: circa '09, however
asciilifeform: can't determine if still made
nubbins`: asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now
nubbins`: ^ that's what i've got kicking around
nubbins`: will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage
felipelalli: Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on http://trilema.com/2014/qntra-sqntr-october-2014-statement/ but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks.
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uKmk )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: video thing?
mircea_popescu: chetty given some users, this would be a net gain.
nubbins`: yeah, little media player.
nubbins`: netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well
ben_vulpes: buenos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)
mircea_popescu: felipelalli because it keeps changing.
nubbins`: so useless to me from the get-go for that
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]
assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vh7L )
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?
mircea_popescu: well yes,. the statements
mircea_popescu: this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.
ben_vulpes: funny news
ben_vulpes: our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
mircea_popescu: lol wassat ?
asciilifeform: wai wat
ben_vulpes: FUCK IF I KNOW
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense.
mircea_popescu: clearly you need it then.
mircea_popescu: "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: more bezzletronic scams.
ben_vulpes: insurance! scam!
mircea_popescu: i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote
asciilifeform: by the pound?
ben_vulpes: how does one pick a stock broker?
mircea_popescu: "What is the zip code of your primary business location?"
ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know
mircea_popescu: check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.
ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?
ben_vulpes: girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
ben_vulpes: it's on some paas-y thing
mircea_popescu: seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.
ben_vulpes: fuck that i ain't holding no bags
mircea_popescu: anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.
ben_vulpes: actually its fine
ben_vulpes: dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the db leak liability attaches to operator.
mircea_popescu: unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.
ben_vulpes: commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
mircea_popescu: welllll in THAT case...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115543 @ 0.00037498 = 43.3263 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )
felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?
asciilifeform: ^ wireless, usb only for storage
asciilifeform: there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost.
mike_c: ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
mike_c: oops. old habits
asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application
mike_c: !gettrust felipelalli jurov
assbot: Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov
mike_c: felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
jurov: felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.
felipelalli: actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.
jurov: yes
felipelalli: perfect! thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.
felipelalli: !rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."
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jurov: :)
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asciilifeform: https://www.newit.co.uk/shop << 'arm' system vendor in eu
asciilifeform: unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo'
assbot: PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BaBT )
asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/mips-creator-ci20-released-interesting-though-not-very-useful << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip.
assbot: MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Bsc2 )
assbot: A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BsZj )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
asciilifeform: jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos.
ben_vulpes: footnotes are so...web 3.0
asciilifeform: jurov: looks like even has sata.
asciilifeform: would need a chassis and power brick?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ?
pete_dushenski: bla.. fine. ima brb
jurov: Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule
asciilifeform: jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more.
asciilifeform: 'prove you're not a bot or a c-student'
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6CkgJ )
asciilifeform: ^ illustrated
assbot: [PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Cl4n )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: heh whaddya know
nubbins`: cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this
pete_dushenski: that's pretty cool lookin'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
assbot: That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
jurov: satoshidice.com down. interesting
asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat?
assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgegas )
pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7}
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"
pete_dushenski: i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.
phillipsjk: I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.
phillipsjk: Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_30Mbit_sample.pcap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6}
phillipsjk: It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.
teward: phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2}
phillipsjk: here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_10Mbit.pcap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: phun phact:
asciilifeform: there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'.
asciilifeform: at least, was, a year or so ago.
teward: asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on
teward: AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk
asciilifeform: there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach.
phillipsjk: The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.
teward: phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything
teward: :P
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.
asciilifeform: not even about these in particular.
phillipsjk: I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot
teward: asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about? https://www.wireshark.org/security/
assbot: Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgh5rX )
teward: because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched
jurov: kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?
kakobrekla: im not signing it.
phillipsjk: I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.
jurov: why? and i did not say it must be your signature
kakobrekla: if not mine, imagine one up.
teward: ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o
kakobrekla: idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]
phillipsjk: teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.
phillipsjk: I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)
teward: phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered
jurov: kakobrekla that wouldn't help
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ?
mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
jurov: kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh
kakobrekla: i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.
pete_dushenski: italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."
kakobrekla: s/the use/to use
assbot: Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.
jurov: kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.
mircea_popescu: i got one in queue too.
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to
jurov: i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/
jurov: so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway
pete_dushenski: if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it
mircea_popescu: that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine
jurov: but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?
trinque: ^lol
jurov: mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed
mircea_popescu: jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.
mircea_popescu: one is stuck with it.
jurov: yes. i agree. so i am stuck with
jurov: 1) downloading db
jurov: 2) doing like query
jurov: 3) getting key by fingerprint
jurov: 4) rechecking the dam sig
mircea_popescu: technically you could just grep the db
jurov: the db cointains users without l2
mircea_popescu: i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.
phillipsjk: I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)
jurov: 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches
mircea_popescu: not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself.
mircea_popescu: more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp
jurov: but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism
mircea_popescu: jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.
jurov: replace 2) by grepping is doable
jurov: but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: or csv for that matter.
mircea_popescu: but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.
mircea_popescu: not clear anyone will accept that "proof".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.
phillipsjk: The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.
phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA
mircea_popescu: was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk are you using proper digests ?
mircea_popescu: iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today.
asciilifeform: was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy!
phillipsjk: DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt
mircea_popescu: unrelated thread, that.
jurov: apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it
ben_vulpes: why aren't you people using postgres
jurov: it can only change delimiter not escape data
asciilifeform: backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp
asciilifeform: why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...
mircea_popescu: !shasum derp
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
mircea_popescu: !shasum wot
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9
mircea_popescu: jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?
asciilifeform: winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."
mircea_popescu: yes, she is. not for long.
asciilifeform: might depend on the winblows user, actually
jurov: mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand
asciilifeform: there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.
jurov: i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server
asciilifeform: the remainder is the more interesting question
mircea_popescu: jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq
jurov: 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. https://community.shaw.ca/thread/18478
assbot: What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB6BSW )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh i c.
jurov: 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server
mircea_popescu: jurov what'd be your ideal model ?
jurov: i described these 4 steps above
jurov: step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2
mircea_popescu: that'd be your ideal model ?
jurov: against local db
jurov: ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?
asciilifeform: 275919...
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?
mircea_popescu: i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.
phillipsjk: I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.
mircea_popescu: nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
phillipsjk: I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.
mircea_popescu: "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."
mircea_popescu: funny how that works.
phillipsjk: Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10352457#msg10352457
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8y1R )
asciilifeform: choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit.
asciilifeform: just as side dish.
asciilifeform: a garnish
asciilifeform: if slightly unsavoury
phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word
mircea_popescu: the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.
phillipsjk: ..it is.
mircea_popescu: not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ?
mircea_popescu: coprophagiac - someone who eats shit.
mircea_popescu: tis english.
asciilifeform: the king's english, aha
assbot: Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8S0r )
phillipsjk: (not technically a dictionary)
trinque: it exists because wikipedia... guffaw
phillipsjk: I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.
thestringpuller: Ephebophilia.
phillipsjk: The UDP flood was almost full packets.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".
phillipsjk: er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)
ben_vulpes: x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day
the_scourge: what wm do you use?
ben_vulpes: stumpwm
ben_vulpes: i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]
the_scourge: "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."
the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy
ben_vulpes: when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
mircea_popescu: if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it
the_scourge is interested!
phillipsjk: EMACS user detected.
the_scourge: woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before
asciilifeform: it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject...
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at bitcointalk.org for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Df4qHt )
mircea_popescu: not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D
the_scourge: asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people
mircea_popescu: cjc vox populi vox dei yo!
mircea_popescu: the_scourge why not ?
cjc: Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: opportunity personality?
the_scourge: *and personality
trinque: ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."
mircea_popescu: kinda how it usually goes huh
the_scourge: i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(
the_scourge: i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)
the_scourge: phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw
trinque: the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along
the_scourge: hi from a fellow canuck, btw
trinque: pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself
the_scourge: trinque++
phillipsjk: Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.
the_scourge: trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore
cjc: There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.
cjc: I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.
trinque: the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it
ben_vulpes: <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
ben_vulpes: anywhere.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?
trinque: you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom
the_scourge: is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?
the_scourge: i've been there!
the_scourge: but that's a really fucked up... tiger?
trinque: dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"
the_scourge: er that's a liger isn't it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.
trinque: vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going
mircea_popescu: today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.
mircea_popescu: i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.
the_scourge: http://votk.org/ < that's the place i think the liger might have died though
assbot: Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjrEoL )
mircea_popescu: stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.
punkman: Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."
pete_dushenski: damn, bb was right on the nose!
trinque: railroad's running right on time
asciilifeform: what they did for 3 hours? played cards ?
mircea_popescu: ha, wd bb.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?
asciilifeform: i bet that soldering iron is warming up already.
asciilifeform: if not sizzling quite yet
mircea_popescu: turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D
BingoBoingo: Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: minix, rly ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Practicing small
asciilifeform: honest minix or the heretical minix3 ?
BingoBoingo: old minix
the_scourge: punkman: link?
asciilifeform: 'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t.
BingoBoingo: Not sure if worked
assbot: Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjuvya )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers
BingoBoingo needs more reads
the_scourge: wtf, that speeds things up a little
trinque: holy *shit*; life in prison?
asciilifeform: now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol
the_scourge: no kidding
trinque: dude's being drawn and quartered as an example
asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually
asciilifeform: if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc
BingoBoingo: But must almost always be some sort of super majority
asciilifeform: civil - no
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.
asciilifeform: in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
assbot: Supreme Court to Consider Revisiting Non-Unanimous Jury Verdicts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjxeYm )
asciilifeform: ^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with
cazalla: seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/
assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Are you sure?
cazalla: yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)
BingoBoingo: Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.
BingoBoingo: !up sergiohlb
cazalla: how's this for a forecast? http://i.imgur.com/s2vBAl0.png
assbot: Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjBjvL )
pete_dushenski: saved you boys the trouble :)
cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content
cazalla: it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit
pete_dushenski: por supuesto
pete_dushenski: next time: email
cazalla: it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)
asciilifeform: google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise.
asciilifeform: (why? ask them)
pete_dushenski: following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new
pete_dushenski: it's worked on the playground since basically forever
pete_dushenski: and what is the internet if not a big playground ?
pete_dushenski: some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,
pete_dushenski: some kids are lighting things on fire
pete_dushenski: others, chasing girls
the_scourge: so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?
pete_dushenski: which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age
pete_dushenski: see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that
pete_dushenski: so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids
pete_dushenski: but ultimately being slow and a bit greying
pete_dushenski: unless there's a third alternative ?
the_scourge: the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those
the_scourge: i think they outnumbered genetic alphas
nubbins`: Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/
assbot: "Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfg0Cq )
nubbins`: pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch
pete_dushenski: ;;google bogart the dutch
gribble: Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: <http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/humphrey-bogart/>; bogart - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogart>; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart>
pete_dushenski: should i know this idiom ?
nubbins`: ;;ud bogart
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ...
nubbins`: ;;ud dutch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=going+dutch | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay.
nubbins`: meh on 2nd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74480 @ 0.000364 = 27.1107 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ud smoking dutch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch&page=2 | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ...
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100661 @ 0.00035948 = 36.1856 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: neatly awkable
ben_vulpes: wd kakobrekla
jurov: thanks kakobrekla!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
asciilifeform: defeated << how ?
phillipsjk: I think birds eat them.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation
phillipsjk: some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.
asciilifeform: if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them
pete_dushenski: thought so :)
phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
pete_dushenski: dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people
pete_dushenski: it's probably not a bad gig actually
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.
pete_dushenski: this is no different from what mazarin did
asciilifeform: (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)
pete_dushenski: re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids
pete_dushenski: isn't this a roman thing even?
asciilifeform: the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'
pete_dushenski: (and many others too, i'm sure)
pete_dushenski: well, because "we're all equal"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance
pete_dushenski: so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild
asciilifeform: inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir
asciilifeform: and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways
asciilifeform: !s tournament market
assbot: 7 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market
pete_dushenski: it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality
pete_dushenski: just to cope
pete_dushenski: (for the kids with no shot)
asciilifeform: let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary
pete_dushenski: are there such sports ?
pete_dushenski: maybe... golf
asciilifeform: that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)
pete_dushenski: where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170200 @ 0.00035609 = 60.6065 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes
asciilifeform: or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed
asciilifeform: and this caused a national scandal
pete_dushenski: similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
asciilifeform: no idea re ^
asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject
pete_dushenski: it's not important
pete_dushenski: i get the picture
asciilifeform: 276666 incidentally.
pete_dushenski: chugging along eh
pete_dushenski: i'm heading out tho. cheers!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118339 @ 0.00035815 = 42.3831 BTC [+]
assbot: The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87520 @ 0.00037162 = 32.5242 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
mircea_popescu: somehow this are questions now.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-lovely-horse-intercept-15-0204.pdf << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hawt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ?
asciilifeform: there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there.
asciilifeform: don't ask me why
asciilifeform: but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig
mircea_popescu: cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: say i gpg to your key next time ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that works
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00036332 = 34.6607 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: how so not?
mircea_popescu: if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
mircea_popescu: then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
mircea_popescu: not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"
cazalla: mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
cazalla: local dialup isp even had bbqs
mircea_popescu: o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
mircea_popescu: in ro in the 90s*
mircea_popescu: jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.
assbot: vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnqU )
assbot: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnrc )
mircea_popescu: The well-heeled group seemed receptive. “I think it’s fantastic,” said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. “I’ve never seen anything like this before.” Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, it's an industry now :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
assbot: I am a No Limits No Taboo slave looking to be owned by men, women or a couple. I - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzrqhY )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143111 @ 0.00036154 = 51.7404 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
mircea_popescu: o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52889 @ 0.00036052 = 19.0675 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53190 @ 0.00036335 = 19.3266 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
kakobrekla: no public pastes, no ads
mircea_popescu: yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, barbers as well?
mircea_popescu: cazalla mendicunt monks.
cazalla: i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92910 @ 0.00036335 = 33.7588 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
asciilifeform: i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability
asciilifeform: i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason
mircea_popescu: nono i mean the site specifically.
mircea_popescu: dpaste much better
assbot: Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I477jz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55430 @ 0.00037162 = 20.5989 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: pastebin is verboten
ben_vulpes: constantly adding in dos line endings
ben_vulpes: CANNOT ABIDE
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?
ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mendicunt monks.
ben_vulpes closes the tab
mircea_popescu: it;'s great!
ben_vulpes: what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?
mircea_popescu: herp-r-us ?
mircea_popescu: snatch-o-mattic ?
ben_vulpes: Mend-A-Cunt™
mircea_popescu: QwikTwat
assbot: IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KesnAA )
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot beautyon
assbot: beautyon is not registered in WoT.
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot Irdial
assbot: Irdial is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: i guess that's not how that works. anyway : http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/
assbot: [OPEN] Assbot WoT website pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KexrFi )
mircea_popescu: erryone lemme know if you like / want more icecream a la mode.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8000 @ 0.00097074 = 7.7659 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.000971 = 2.2333 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:29:24; mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
mircea_popescu: adlai huh ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10549 @ 0.00095022 = 10.0239 BTC [-] {14}
adlai: i'd like to test scalpl on larger amounts of btc than i have at my personal disposal.
mod6: perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block
mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001
mod6: not sure exactly what to be looking for... but turning over a few 'stones' might find something.
kakobrekla: adlai curious, whats the min youd take?
asciilifeform: adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway?
adlai: depends what's at hand
adlai: because anything else is roughly equivalent to changetip
asciilifeform: adlai: when i laboured under the delusion that i could write a useful trading automaton, i found it simple enough to 'trade' with imaginary btc, gold, etc.
asciilifeform: to see if algo is worth something
adlai: sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant.
asciilifeform: adlai: let me guess, your machine relies on actually moving the market ?
kakobrekla: this works for fx better than btc
adlai: nope
asciilifeform: then what is the hidden gotcha in testing with imaginary objects ?
decimation: I wouldn't mind trying to run a trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us
asciilifeform: decimation: 'not caught, not thief'
adlai: decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that
kakobrekla: isnt it 'not thief, caught' in murica ?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
asciilifeform: decimation: just avoid fiat...
decimation: adlai: yes, one would have to document each lot traded
kakobrekla: <adlai> depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take.
adlai: ofc?
kakobrekla: ;;ud ofc
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc | Used in Instant Messaging for Of Course (Of Fucking Course if in all caps). " John121: u going to the movie tomorrow?" "Alex33: ofc". by MisterEgo October 09 , ...
adlai: which course?
kakobrekla: south please.
adlai is placing offers in the book, not market orders
kakobrekla: i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine
adlai does not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00038 = 41.097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196300 @ 0.00038082 = 74.755 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ?
decimation: re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars
mircea_popescu: Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет сок :D
adlai: 03:19:17 | [adlai away: zzz]
adlai: 03:19:26 +mircea_popescu | adlai ok so what did you have in mind ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101750 @ 0.00037822 = 38.4839 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#994882 << i've been running it on N btc of my own money, how many are you willing to risk?
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 05:19:40; mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
mircea_popescu: well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?
adlai: technically speaking, wouldn't this be simplest accomplished by having you provide me with api keys to an account on, say, btce, and us both publishing a readonly key to that account?
adlai: (this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...)
mircea_popescu: i don't keep accounts on teh scamchanges.
adlai: this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly
mircea_popescu: nope. it's on you.
mircea_popescu: this is how finance works.
assbot: Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubAI0 )
decimation: "Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails."
decimation: why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick?
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/e2RWY << made this quick likbez for the folks here
assbot: JTAG on PogoPlug. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubOPz )
adlai does some arithmetic
decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1Auc9lf )
decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
decimation: asciilifeform: why do you need jtag? to blow the fuses?
decimation: or for online debugging?
asciilifeform: decimation: lamer reason: it makes reflashing considerably faster.
asciilifeform: decimation: no need to reboot into a working kernel
asciilifeform: decimation: also lets you play with bootloader safely
asciilifeform: (it is actually possible to reflash the bootloader through serial port alone, but takes forever)
decimation: is that a flash card? can you boot off that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00038225 = 21.9794 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: there's an sd in the slot, yes. you can boot off that, but only if you have a working bootloader
decimation: the little sim-card connector thingy on the left
mircea_popescu: <decimation> why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? << i wrote like a billion lines in here. why not ?
asciilifeform: also, the bootloader does not automatically find kernels on arbitrary devices, you have to script it
asciilifeform: and it's annoying
decimation: yeah I can imagine
asciilifeform: (has to be told what exactly to initialize and where the offset of kernel is, and length)
asciilifeform: but this is described elsewhere and i will not waste space on it here.
mircea_popescu: chick's so drastically ugly tho...
decimation: one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd
mircea_popescu: she looks reconstructed out of flotsam.
asciilifeform: as for jtag itself, my current favourite is 'busblaster' - made in singapore
decimation: mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either
decimation: asciilifeform: you earlier mentioned using a 'bus pirate' for spi connections
decimation: do you know the max data rate one can continuously suck off the spi?
asciilifeform: 'bus pirate' is dog slow
decimation: the documentation is poor.
asciilifeform: i don't remember the exact rate, no
decimation: I wouldn't mind having a device that interfaces to arbitrary serial ports at reasonable rates
asciilifeform: 'blaster' will do 30+MHz
asciilifeform: it's a little thing with a 'xilinx' fpga (nonvolatile) and 'ftdi' usb2 diddler
asciilifeform: you can repurpose it for something non-jtag-ish easily enough
decimation: ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga?
decimation: that sounds useful
asciilifeform: cpld really
asciilifeform: it's an xc2c64a.
asciilifeform: this is not a rare device, they're sold by the megatonne
asciilifeform: on various hobbyist sites
decimation: yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines
asciilifeform: but if you can build 'openOCD' for your system, this will do everything the 'adult' jtag machines ($xxxxx golden toilets) will.
thestringpuller: scoopbot --fetch
decimation: also, today I was thinking about your rsa-signed-udp-packets thingy
decimation: it struck me that you could probably use one of those edgerouter lites to make a cheap version
thestringpuller: o look a hanbot
asciilifeform: decimation: cheap version of what ?
hanbot waves
asciilifeform: decimation: it doesn't need dedicated hardware, strictly speaking
decimation: 'check all incoming udp packets for signature'
decimation: no, but it would be nice
thestringpuller: how are you this evening?
asciilifeform: not all!
asciilifeform: there'd be no room for anything useful
asciilifeform: assume a 4096 bit key
decimation: you would want enough of a protocol to identify 'possible traffic'
hanbot: thestringpuller sick, but souping out nicely
asciilifeform: decimation: the practical way is to sign 'hello'
asciilifeform: in response to a valid, non-replayed 'hello' (from known pubkey, naturally), machine sends back a single-use rsa pubkey (generated for the occasion) to the requester
thestringpuller: all the fluids! I hope you feel better hanbot !
asciilifeform: who in turn generates a block cipher (symmetric) key for the occasion
asciilifeform: and sends it back to the session pubkey
mircea_popescu: we still doing the symetric cypher thing ?
asciilifeform: machine decrypts this. now both sides have a symmetric key
decimation: yeah but you would want a block cipher that could tolerate lost packets
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: decimation: embed frame
decimation: what about just signing each packe?
asciilifeform: decimation: assume 4096-bit rsa. and udp mtu (576.)
asciilifeform: also remember that padding exists
asciilifeform: now compute the maximum payload.
decimation: yeah but in exchange you can use a full-broadcast model
asciilifeform: decimation: where do you intend to broadcast?
decimation: well, if ip multicast were functional that would be ideal
asciilifeform: but it isn't.
asciilifeform: also why make the enemy's job easier by transmitting plaintext ever?
asciilifeform: ideally even the 'hello' could be encrypted to the destination's pubkey if you know it (and you ought to)
asciilifeform: no one sitting on the wire should be able to observe anything but garbage.
asciilifeform: to log readers wondering about the purpose of the disposable rsa key: forward secrecy
asciilifeform: lacking this, a captured 'hot' node would allow decryption of traffic captured at an earlier time.
decimation: assuming the programmer properly cleared the old keys
asciilifeform: (this is an elementary method and i did not in any way invent it)
asciilifeform: assuming programmer is not retarded.
decimation: asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41448 @ 0.00038233 = 15.8468 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: how do you suppose it plugs in here ?
decimation: it doesn't. but individually signed packets do.
asciilifeform: you'd have to transmit >mtu packets - or use shorter keys
asciilifeform: neither really appeals
asciilifeform: or rather, if you implement one of the error codings discussed earlier, you can shoot out a small signed gibblet at a time, yes
asciilifeform: and have them reassemble
decimation: I suppose mircea has already described why a 'global namespace' is a poor fit for chat
asciilifeform: 'zooko's triangle' etc
asciilifeform: thing is, if you forget about the 'memorable', there is no triangle.
asciilifeform: all you need is a better memory.
asciilifeform: pgp keys are, in practice, all the global namespace you could ask for.
asciilifeform: nobody's going to generate a colliding key.
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: send that back in time to the 9 y.o. me
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52997 @ 0.00038235 = 20.2634 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i imagine 9 yo you had a giant robot and a laboratory
asciilifeform: no, but had soldering iron
mircea_popescu: hence his ideas about thermocrypto.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.my-garage.spb.ru/img/238.jpg << a cryptoanalytic soldering iron.
coderwill: hi everybody
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-do-the-aparatchicks-live/ << hopefully the entire us civil service reads this.
assbot: How do the aparatchicks live ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxLzi )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203950 @ 0.00037822 = 77.138 BTC [-]
coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?
coderwill: i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Years, decades, you've done your part to build the great progressive future... ...the work instead of imaginary devils...' << who said the general necessarily believes in anything other than the fat paycheck (not from army, naturally, but 'consulting' gigs) and cheap whores ?
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhzaGb )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us
mircea_popescu: give me mongolia.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe
mircea_popescu: assbot doesn't knoiw what it's talking about.
coderwill: haha
thestringpuller: can asswot graph be in d3?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any reason to think that the particular specimen was the primary whore ?
asciilifeform: could just as easily be a spare.
mircea_popescu: once we're in the camp, i wish to be in the room with alf.
coderwill: also, sorry, didn't mean to just come across like i was looking for work (although this page looks great, thanks). also was just asking for conversational purposes if any new stuff is happening.
mircea_popescu: for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one.
asciilifeform adjusts stake^H^H^H^Hchair
mircea_popescu: coderwill but more productive for that purpose to read teh logs.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: ok
asciilifeform has not met especially many specimens of u.s. military brass, but the ones he saw alive gave the impression of being something quite like professional actors.
mircea_popescu: dead on the inside ?
asciilifeform: just another role, for these folks; all you need - hindbrain.
mircea_popescu: lemme show you aman
mircea_popescu: find me an us counterpart.
asciilifeform: not familiar with this one
mircea_popescu: the jews are ahead.
asciilifeform: or are we just doing physiognomy.
Vexual: GAMMPool spec are a little thin, what do you actually wanna do?
mircea_popescu: we're doing physiognomy.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea ass graph is pretty big, dont' think 1 in regards to: http://trilema.com/2015/open-assbot-wot-website/ will be very pretty
asciilifeform: if physiognomy - not that different from a certain boss's boss i remember
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh.
thestringpuller: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << well even with heavy force the lords are overlap each other. maybe l2 may not be as bad. gimme on sec and I'll update with postive ratings from L2
mircea_popescu: ah you were working on a corner of this weren't you
mircea_popescu: course nothing loads.
thestringpuller: not loading for you?
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't surprise me the least bit to learn that today's u.s. colonels who think too much, tend to retire as colonel
asciilifeform: perhaps mats has something to add to this.
thestringpuller: oh you run noscript don't you?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking too much is fine, for as long as it's mere spinning, and never productive.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress
mircea_popescu: god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.
mircea_popescu: the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.
mircea_popescu: exactly why the system must be trampled underfoot.
thestringpuller: the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even assume that 'medcom' is really representative of the rest of the american army.
mircea_popescu: can it be interactive via html5 then ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system
thestringpuller: the <canvas> element still requires js: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_canvas.asp
thestringpuller: i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive
mircea_popescu: can't hurt to degrade
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional. In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled. At the top, there is no one on top of him. Yet he cannot change his mind. He would simply be replaced. There are always younger, more eager professionals. Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules. Who gets to put
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain. Chicks dig it. And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"
mircea_popescu: a) what chicks and b) what pay.
decimation: well, see your post
decimation: apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'
mircea_popescu: i'd rather email a goat.
mircea_popescu: and the unmitigated impudence of these "journalist" shitheads ...
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: b) they're all reasonably loaded (for a clerk) a) they're generally old enough, not necessarily for impotence, but to mostly lack interest.
mircea_popescu: is enough reason to make his profession -ev for a man of ability and intellect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: if he could get a better cunt he would,
mircea_popescu: and if he could get two he would get two.
mircea_popescu: it's not like she's some sort of anais nin, this woman.
mircea_popescu: she's readily replaceable with a wooden valet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: impudence... he can't round up... and shoot the lot << remember michael hastings ?
mircea_popescu: (and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not how this goes.
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asciilifeform: ^ article picked more or less at random
mircea_popescu: if the question can be asked, it's not in your camp.
mircea_popescu: no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.
mircea_popescu: that's what i mean.
mircea_popescu: not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'
asciilifeform: and general has this prerogative today where? in zimbabwe?
asciilifeform: possibly gaddafi was the last.
asciilifeform: or at least, last until sanity comes back to the planet.
mircea_popescu: i do not care where.
mircea_popescu: without it, the pay is not good enough.
decimation: even he gave up that prerogative in exchange for friendship with usg, that turned out to not serve him very well
asciilifeform: the pay is not good enough << can't disagree
asciilifeform: imagine having to put up with the company of the whole muppet pyramid.
asciilifeform: above and below.
mircea_popescu: let amanda hess go conquer baghdad the 50th time
mircea_popescu: i'll be sure to tweet criticisms of her accessories as she does it.
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: 277777.
decimation: re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it's always wise to give up on libertardism when one is 20
mircea_popescu: rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.
decimation: hey he went to afghanistan and annoyed some pederasts
mircea_popescu: completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"
mircea_popescu: not a bad question.
asciilifeform: afaik, the generals (and bulk of the war machine) aren't into liberasty as such. they're 'only following orders' (TM)
asciilifeform: i.e. 'it's a job'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how much must your enemy pay you for you to love him ?
decimation: asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do not convey a feeling of falsity << ahahaha. i'm nearing the end of what must be my 5th rereading of mr o's complete output.
mircea_popescu: such patience.
coderwill: do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?
coderwill: think things*
mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: the eu, idem.
asciilifeform: coderwill: why do you ask ?
coderwill: asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative
mircea_popescu: he hibernates five years at a time and would like to know if to drink some coffee.
coderwill: i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense
decimation: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/ << lol "The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months. "
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mircea_popescu: coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"
asciilifeform: 'It is as though in the space of ten years we had slid back into the Stone Age. Human types supposedly extinct for centuries, the dancing dervish, the robber chieftain, the Grand Inquisitor, have suddenly reappeared, not as inmates of lunatic asylums, but as the masters of the world.'
assbot: Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjsYw )
asciilifeform: ('notes on the way')
coderwill: cool thanks for the link
mircea_popescu: extinct eh ?
asciilifeform: supposedly-extinct.
asciilifeform: ^ was really mr o's puzzlement at the failure of own mental model, rather than statement of fact
mircea_popescu: "While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."
mircea_popescu: pretty excellent seeing how it's ww2 he's talking about.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in
lobbes: mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?
mircea_popescu: lobbes well i can agree wiht that, but apparently he doesn't, so when talking to him i'll pretend like perhaps it hasn't.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/16rc58y )
decimation: for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm
decimation: going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."
asciilifeform: decimation: in practice they 'sit on the bayonets'
asciilifeform: not a piece of parchment.
asciilifeform: as the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots reliably discover
mircea_popescu: decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".
mircea_popescu: no constitution ? then quo warranto ? bang-bang.
asciilifeform: (the folks who like to walk into a court waving a copy of american constitution)
decimation: well that crazy guy in pennsylvania tried that, didn't get very far
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then shoot them.,
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable answer in that context.
decimation: !up Vexual
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a little more complicated than this. just like quite a few folks who have never drawn a proper 'federal' paycheque are really members of usg, quite a few folks (tens of millions) in usa are in fact 'policemen' though they do not know it
coderwill: A few years ago I read a white paper about this thing called the Olduvai Theory.
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asciilifeform: for instance, the petty criminals who are nurtured and catch-and-released to terrorize the white suburbanites
asciilifeform: (to keep real estate bezzle heated up)
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts about that theory.
coderwill: Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.
mircea_popescu: coderwill what demand ?
asciilifeform: you'd need an old-fashioned, 1918-style multi-sided (5+) civil war to turn usa into something thermodynamically stable
coderwill: Food, fresh water, energy
mircea_popescu: people seem manifestly capable of living without food.
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yes, but collectively it ends in geopolitical turmoil, it seems
PeterL: coderwill: that assumes constant population growth
mircea_popescu: anyway, scanning that page it seems that a) it's more of the usual american retardation, ala http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ as it simply rebrands a collection of old shit
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mircea_popescu: and b) wtf 2bn. i don't want to consider a 2bn end scenario. what's wrong with 10 million ?
mircea_popescu: i've not even met one million people yet i'd ever wish to meet again, wtf billions.
coderwill: well, hopefully no one will get hurt anywhere, it's awful the state of the world
coderwill: not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another
coderwill: hence why i stopped reading the news
mircea_popescu: hopefully no one will get hurt ?!
coderwill: the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit
mircea_popescu: no baby, hopefully everyone will get hurt
mircea_popescu: and to such a degree they kill their children with their own hands, at that.
mircea_popescu: check us out, brincusi discussing things with hegel.
asciilifeform: here, let me help:
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mircea_popescu: ten million is plenty.
asciilifeform: that'd be roughly... 3000 b.c. ?
mircea_popescu: something like that. reroll homer.
asciilifeform: while we're at it, i'd like there to be a maximum of six mosquitoes.
asciilifeform: !s tolerate bugs
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lobbes: coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
lobbes: asciilifeform: can we apply that to wasps, for that matter?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atrocious OCR! 'They hand us now in Shrewsbury jail' << hang.
asciilifeform has the dead tree, or would've been a bit puzzled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Uke Miller was a pretty good one too
asciilifeform wonders what else crept in
mircea_popescu: tons. most are -> arc
asciilifeform: incidentally, the biggest downer of 'djvu' wavelet compressor is that it... actually introduces typos like this (!)
asciilifeform: a 'c' is quite similar to an 'e' after all, esp. if the press was running a little hot that day
asciilifeform: hence - compressed.
asciilifeform: (introduces into images!)
PeterL: I have a couple of ebooks with typos like that
asciilifeform: PeterL: that'd be bad ocr
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the reverse, something which no engl. speaker has likely ever seen
PeterL: EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?
asciilifeform: PeterL: the former
mircea_popescu: you actually read that thing ?
asciilifeform: tried to, once.
PeterL: I thought it was great
mircea_popescu: o really ?
PeterL: it seems like something you would like?
mircea_popescu: im too snobbish even for sf
asciilifeform: atrociously written thing
asciilifeform: but, oddly enough, tolerable film.
PeterL: in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc
asciilifeform: quite the opposite of the usual way around
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: black sails is back
Vexual: 'hoes and money and violence an polotx
Vexual: i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, cooperation is common in nature. Even without submission/domination. Examples include Geese taking turns leading migrations, alarm signals (sometimes seen as altruistic), herd/school protection.
phillipsjk: What is rare/non-existent is altruism, which is what I assume you meant here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2015#1006655
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
mircea_popescu: which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?
phillipsjk: Did you understand the examples?
mircea_popescu: that's not a question that can be answered.
mircea_popescu: but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.
phillipsjk: Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.
mircea_popescu: tho perhaps some observer may think he understood the example better than the geese
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mircea_popescu: and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.
mircea_popescu: by its very definition, no less. to give, someone has to take.
phillipsjk: You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.
mircea_popescu: whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.
trinque: phillipsjk: have you ever seen geese up close?
trinque: they fight each other and establish dominance ongoingly
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk quite.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese
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trinque: yup
mircea_popescu: somehow they think women are also geese.
asciilifeform: geese are pestilentially common here.
mircea_popescu: will try to get them in line, and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform throughout eastern canada too, or at least were.
decimation: I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion
asciilifeform: they like to cross roads, slowly, single file, and - given their lengthy 'runway' - one might imagine that they would occasionally get flattened. but i have yet to see this.
decimation: they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed
asciilifeform: decimation: as per the famous 'frozen turkey test' at airplane factories.
mircea_popescu: can be a decent 20-30kgs sure.
phillipsjk: Um It is my understanding that the turkey is supposed to be thawed for the test.
asciilifeform: thawed << would make sense
mircea_popescu: well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen
mircea_popescu: stronger airplane.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'тяжело в учении легко в бою'
asciilifeform: (bonus: throw that in 'google images')
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: .bait
ben_vulpes: (sil vous plait)
mircea_popescu: lol i got nuttin
decimation: re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu 'inb4'
mircea_popescu: anekdotov sounds like a great name
mircea_popescu: i'd make him ambassador to the us.
asciilifeform: approx. translation for n00bs - 'the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.'
mircea_popescu: "train hard - fight easy"
mircea_popescu: im a great believer in the principle myself.
mircea_popescu: all the way to making the girls do the cucumbers.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of lulz on that topic.
Vexual: thfe
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mircea_popescu: like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english
mircea_popescu: who told them to thaw the chickens
Vexual: push dont pull
mircea_popescu: that looks like a dude. scam.
Vexual: ts not even a thing
Vexual: flocculant
asciilifeform: 'what color is is? Just bought a plane and would like to know whats in it.'
asciilifeform: -- from an 'amazon' review.
Vexual: lol
BingoBoingo: !up diatonic
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "
mircea_popescu: lucky guess.
mircea_popescu: in any case : so called "altruistic" behaviour as perceived by humans in animals is nonsense of a prime order even afore all these discussions. soemthing in the line discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
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mircea_popescu: "You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort
mircea_popescu: of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."
BingoBoingo: scoopbot: -fetch
asciilifeform: why not obsess over 'altruism' of cells in a multicellular organism ?
asciilifeform: wtf is the thread even about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, this thread is about new guy trying to make sense of the batshit insane that is b-a.
mircea_popescu: can't say i dislike his approach.
decimation: what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria?
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mircea_popescu: decimation but it's being held captive ?
decimation: it likes to submit to its betters
mircea_popescu: well... biggers, at any case.
trinque: almost done rsyncing my wad o blocks to the server; when I come back in a bit imma publish the first bundle
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 02:44:25; coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?
assbot: adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EX7I )
trinque: might've taken a while but the end result isn't a piece of shit
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria? << It's not altruistic. It is lazy and wants to be fed with minimum effort.
decimation: re: python < so I was comparing guido von rossum and linus torvalds today, found a good quote on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8772325
assbot: GvR fading away would help but not cure the problem he started, i.e Python desig... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5FmHh )
asciilifeform: re: qntra article 'parallel construction' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, it just wants to go on doing what it's best at!
mircea_popescu: pure us capitalims i tell ya
decimation: comparing guido and linus, one finds guido did all the wrong moves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence the PNGs of the pages and the hashes.
decimation: whatever life python has left is primarily driven by usg academic types
decimation: who use it as a license-free matlab (numpy)
mircea_popescu: decimation except ruby came to peak and then withered before python managed to get a new major version out :D
asciilifeform: decimation: python is widely used as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl
decimation: guido has managed to completely ignore this set in exchange for creating some random dangly bits that no one cares about
asciilifeform uses it in that and only that capacity
mircea_popescu: i actually use it on occasion, when bash is gnarly.
asciilifeform: aha. exactly this
decimation: guido could have delivered a better 'non-perl' instead of derping with stupid shit
BingoBoingo: substitute for perl, substitute for matlab, and all of this on version 2. Version 3 is a hostile hardfork.
mircea_popescu: decimation other people's could haves you know...
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah that's precisely my point
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was the lulziest thing ever. "we'll break with 2.x but still have 1.x issues"
BingoBoingo: I guess even the scientific stuff though is just acaderps prefering python to perl
decimation: all the 'web developers' have already moved on to node.js or whatever crazy shit of the day
decimation: so guido has no audience other than the one that he is trying hard to ignore
BingoBoingo: He doesn't really have an audience anyway. Python 2.x is fine
mircea_popescu: yeah, what IS the web crowd doing these days ?
BingoBoingo: Well, fine for being a perl substitute
mircea_popescu: i think node.js was like 2011
decimation: I donno, they are probably selling each other software as a service as a service
BingoBoingo: It's still node.js and iterations on that theme.
BingoBoingo: !s ryanxcharles
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mircea_popescu: i think it's ripe for a revolution then
mircea_popescu: it takes them ~3 y.
mircea_popescu: actually julia sounds very interesting, have we discussed yet ?
mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
mircea_popescu: this would be the first compiler brave enough to expose itself to programmer scrutiny thus
mircea_popescu: supposedly faster than c
decimation: huh. interesting
decimation: uses 1 based arrays though :(
BingoBoingo: decimation: Julia is generally aimed in the direction of scientific computing crowd.
decimation: 1-based arrays are a matlabism, which got it from fortran
mircea_popescu: so they are.
mircea_popescu: still, this is like the first thing i've seen in nigh on 20 years making me almost feel like trying to code in it.
adlai wonders whether mircea_popescu has heard of lisp
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mircea_popescu: perforce.
adlai: :P
adlai: specifically referring to things like http://www.sbcl.org/1.0/manual/Statistical-Profiler.html#Statistical-Profiler C-f 'disassembler'
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mircea_popescu: im {un/}fortunate to be in this position where thje actual business end of my mental life can in no manner by done by machines. so lisp is entirely useless to me.
adlai: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: the sorts of tediums i have machines do is generally seen as closest to c
mircea_popescu: practically, closer to bash for that matter.
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