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the20year1: I'm free
benkay: !up random_cat
assbot: Voicing random_cat for 30 minutes.
benkay: hey random_cat see you tomorrow?
benkay: !up los_pantalones
assbot: Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0344599 = 0.3446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.511998 BTC [+]
joecool: ;;tlast
gribble: 437.8
benkay: danielpbarron: you've been accumulating some interesting ratings.
benkay: lol xdotcom xdotcom_ xdotcom__ how's it going cuz-o?
benkay: !up xdotcom
assbot: Voicing xdotcom for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up xdotcom_
assbot: Voicing xdotcom_ for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up xdotcom__
assbot: Voicing xdotcom__ for 30 minutes.
xdotcom__: benkay: thanks for warm welcome
xdotcom__: benkay: socking as usual
benkay: errybody gotta eat.
xdotcom__: benkay: real recognize real
benkay: !up everclear
assbot: Voicing everclear for 30 minutes.
benkay: yo everclear that nick's unregistered in the wot - looks like you're sitting on some prime real estate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1141 @ 0.001 = 1.141 BTC
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3837% in 0d 17h 15m 46s
Naphex: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00097319 = 16.009 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Naphex: morning
fluffypony: how goes it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00097218 = 8.3607 BTC [-]
fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda
Naphex: morning fluff, chillin drking coffee
Naphex: :D
Naphex: getting ready to leave for the office
Naphex: i think romania is a bit higher now:P
fluffypony: Naphex: they're 7 worldwide in terms of *peak* broadband speeds
fluffypony: so fast connections are readily available
fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down
Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/I3Dp3ZC.png my ~8usd home connection
benkay: oh the prison
Naphex: gonna change it to a 12$ usd 1gb/s connection
fluffypony: 2nd in the EMEA region
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.512 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51998499 = 2.0799 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: Naphex: comcast is currently paying us for 75/15 at my office
joecool: not rly sure what happened there
joecool: i always wondered about the broadband rating for romania though, is it counting business/residential connections or just average for ip's there
joecool: (ie. run speedtests off gigabit servers all day)
Naphex: some bussiness actually have worse
Naphex: then residential consumers
Naphex: most ISP's focus were apartment buildings so thats what got cabled with fiber optics first
fluffypony: that's bizarre
Naphex: while some bussines or office buildings are still stuck to whatever worse
Naphex: for example, like 1.5 years ago best bussiness contract was something like 120$ for 100Mb/s (generic contracts)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00096936 = 36.5449 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: !up BohemianHacks
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
BohemianHacks: Thank you
fluffypony: no problemo
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: there's a voice model in here, blog post on it - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
BohemianHacks: I like the idea of investing in real businesses over mining hardware but that seemed pretty hard to find.
fluffypony: yeah mining hardware is flogging a dead horse
fluffypony: for the most part
BohemianHacks: besides I would rather have fpga's to play with at my house
BohemianHacks: then I can repurpose them at no real loss
fluffypony: there are some interesting crypto-based businesses out there
BohemianHacks: oh hey I used to have a minor rep with gribble
fluffypony: you still do :)
BohemianHacks: really?
fluffypony: ;;gettrust BohemianHacks
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user BohemianHacks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=BohemianHacks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BohemianHacks | Rated since: Wed Apr 4 23:20:38 2012
BohemianHacks: I forgot all about it
fluffypony: from 2012
BohemianHacks: I think I fucked up and lost my key
BohemianHacks: so I just never used it again
BohemianHacks: I like this nick too much :D
fluffypony: were you GPG registered or just with Bitcoin-signed auth?
fluffypony: ah yeah, if you've lost your key that's curtains for that
BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons
fluffypony: maybe nanotube can weigh on this if there's any recourse
fluffypony: anyway getting back to cryptocurrency companies
fluffypony: I think the biggest thing is that you have to make a distinction between a fiat-profitable company looking to raise fiat funds, but doing so in BTC for convenience
fluffypony: that sort of investment will most likely never be profitable from a BTC perspective
BohemianHacks: I think I'm mostly looking for options that are low risk low yield as crypto already has risk built in
BohemianHacks: Just to let my coins hang out and get some kind of return would be nice
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: ~May 5th
BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks?
BohemianHacks: any particular reason?
fluffypony: yeah definitely
BohemianHacks: I would really like to check these guys out is the main reason http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/invest.html
BohemianHacks: and they are doing an IPO on cryptostocks
fluffypony: if you're shorting the stock I suppose cryptostocks is an option
fluffypony: but if you want to plug some money into something and walk away and let it do its thing, mpex is a significantly safer option
Naphex: site looks like poop
fluffypony: at the end of the day you have to do your own due diligence and invest in whatever makes the most sense to you
BohemianHacks: Naphex: that it does, which is a bit iffy as a tech company but they have some legit ideas
fluffypony: what is concerning about cryptostocks is that there's no due diligence done, not even the smallest little bit
BohemianHacks: I think taxes and other issues may halt them like many other bitcoin atm companies
BohemianHacks: fluffypony: yeah fraud protection is a must
BohemianHacks: at least to some degree
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: you heard what happened with Dragon's Tale right?
ozbot: BitTicket
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00462306 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2}
BohemianHacks: nope just getting back into crypto really
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: so some dude listed Dragon's Tale on CryptoStocks
fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale
BohemianHacks: I have been working on a bunch of other projects and I am thinking my payments will largely be in coin
fluffypony: just some random guy
BohemianHacks: so Im checking things out again
BohemianHacks: oh dang yeah thats pretty shady
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344599 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
fluffypony: and a bunch of people bought
BohemianHacks: I need to get gpg set up again
BohemianHacks: Part my delay right now is that I need to be more secure this time
BohemianHacks: I had coins all over the place and stored in unsafe ways
fluffypony: that's a good starting point :)
BohemianHacks: I lost some but didn't get robbed or anything
BohemianHacks: so I am working out the best system for storting my coins and keys
fluffypony: davout: bonjour, professeur davout!
davout: fluffypony: ohai
davout: imma start selling my time
BohemianHacks: I would like a single key and a cold storage wallet and then just not worry about it from there. So long as I have a safe place to store some
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00097624 = 27.2371 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: BIP32?
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: a simple-ish solution is Electrum; deterministic key (so you only have to scribble down 12 words and save them), and it's bip32 encrypted
ozbot: BIP32 - JavaScript Deterministic Wallets
fluffypony: (for your hot wallet)
fluffypony: and then bip32 paper wallet for the cold wallet
Naphex: or just use bip32
BohemianHacks: So what can I use this key for? why not just generate one with gpg?
ozbot: 8. HD Keys (BIP32) — sx 1 documentation
BohemianHacks: or do you have some basic info on it?
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: this is for generating a Bitcoin address/private key from a passphrase
BohemianHacks: gotcha, but couldn't this site just keep my private key?
fluffypony: it's all JS
fluffypony: so you can download and run it offline
fluffypony: depends on the level of paranoia you're aiming for :)
Naphex: https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io download it and save it and run it locally
Naphex: if you want
BohemianHacks: and what does this have over bitcoin-qt and such?
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: for your hot wallet this http://electrum.org
BohemianHacks: VERY nice looking
fluffypony: bip32 is good for your cold wallet, you'd then be able to regenerate the private key from the seed at any point in the future, and import the privkey into Electrum / Bitcoin-QT / whatever
fluffypony: but Electrum is solid for a hot wallet
BohemianHacks: aaah thats exactly what I need
BohemianHacks: thanks very much
BohemianHacks: I will wait until i get home to my xubuntu, fully encrypted hard drive though
fluffypony: cool beans
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6917 @ 0.00096928 = 6.7045 BTC [-]
BohemianHacks: paranoid fun!
BohemianHacks: its always nice to store 37 cents in a 40 inch thick steel safe
BohemianHacks: I still can't believe how many people use smartphone wallets thoughf
BohemianHacks: malware is way out pacing security on mobile
fluffypony: yeah it's asking for trouble
fluffypony: have you been seeing all the people getting Bitcoin/Dogecoin stolen from that malicious Chrome extension?
BohemianHacks: naw but I believe it
fluffypony: I mean, they have this dodgy extension installed, and then they go and transact on CoinBase
BohemianHacks: I thought about going back to the dark side, but its still not worth it
fluffypony: and it just changes the destination address
BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you
Naphex: well don't run bitcoin transactions on browsers with untrusted or crap extensions
Naphex: chrome extensions run in ring0 from clientJS PoV
Naphex: so they can totally overpass anything with targeted attacks
fluffypony: Naphex: which is exactly what happened
fluffypony: my favourite are the "solutions" on Reddit
Naphex: be safe if you're about to sign transactions client-side
BohemianHacks: just use lynx :P
fluffypony: "if I have to transfer my coins from CoinBase I do it 1 at a time...it might take a while, but at least you can catch it happening"
Naphex: :)))
fluffypony: because no malware has ever changed amounts
Naphex: what about just keeping your PC clean, and maybe running chrome in incognito without extensions
Naphex: as a precaution
fluffypony: in incognito it already disables extensions afaik
Naphex: but a better principle would be having a clean not infected with every crapware/spyware software possible
fluffypony: you have to explicitly trust the extension
Naphex: or something bad is going to happen at some point
Naphex: those extensions might as well steal identity info, banking info, company secrets whatever else
BohemianHacks: Just running linux and a non-standard version of firefox makes things much safer
BohemianHacks: I dont really worry too much about browser side stuff
BohemianHacks: and I dont run extensions other than RES
fluffypony: RES is awesome
fluffypony: !up BohemianHacks
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 237 @ 0.001 = 0.237 BTC
Naphex: so... why not support something like this
Naphex: $ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro
Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IDAbYX4Pyv2SogoQghe9k8XhKyJI+hedb0uvryrNXhkD197beYw+g4XP7xsXdkcpWe3lH1BJMynqCIBX+/vUY8M="
fluffypony: interesting
fluffypony: what's the signature? is the message just the domain?
Naphex: domain + address,
Naphex: add another record like that for the reverse
fluffypony: is there a standard for this?
fluffypony: why not suggest it as a BIP?
Naphex: is just a quick tought, idealy there would be some other mechanisms
Naphex: to prevent dns spoofing
fluffypony: Naphex my DNS knowledge is spotty
fluffypony: but aren't TXT records always canonical?
Naphex: in which sense?
fluffypony: no wait nm, I just twigged what you meant wrt dns spoofing
Naphex: i meant someone hopping on your dns server and just setting all addresses to his:p
fluffypony: well here's something else to consider
fluffypony: if a malicious person runs a DNS server
fluffypony: they have a financially viable reason to spew out bad records
fluffypony: so the only way to do it as a standard
fluffypony: would be to force the bitcoin client to get it from the root ns' for that domain
Naphex: well you can do dnssec and stuff
Naphex: too authenticate the data
fluffypony: I like the idea
ozbot: Domain Name System Security Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec
Naphex: so you can make sure to query 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4
ozbot: Supply Bitcoin addresses in DNS records
ozbot: Bitcoin DNS addresses
fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year
fluffypony: and nobody runs with it
fluffypony: Naphex: I think this is going to be the preferred solution once it's in common use - https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki
fluffypony: (at least for merchants and services)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95894 @ 0.00097678 = 93.6673 BTC [+] {5}
Naphex: yeah i know bip70
fluffypony: dude you should seriously put this up as a BIP for discussion
Naphex: you could still stick to the dns and use x509/pki in the same way
Naphex: or use gpg
fluffypony ponders
fluffypony: I wonder
Naphex: but with dnssec you can move validation up
fluffypony: is there any issue with having lots of txt records?
Naphex: bip70 you will have to validate the pki
Naphex: nah, and you lookup specific txt records
fluffypony: ok so
fluffypony: why not have a user@domain standard
fluffypony: instead of for the whole domain
fluffypony: so if I send moneyz to naphex@btcxchange.ro
fluffypony: it looks up the txt record for you
fluffypony: verifies
Naphex: you can use whatever as long as it rezolves and validates
fluffypony: in fact
fluffypony: that could work for merchants too if it's a BIP71 compatible URI
Naphex: aye, or anyone just a lookup function
Naphex: you can go dynamic on it using bip32 pub keys, or have custom dns software deliver unique addresses
fluffypony: ok but for the sake of simplicity a person in control of their DNS records can just add a TXT record for themselves with their BTC addy + signature, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00006104 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}
Naphex: yep
Naphex: and dnssec setup if he wants to authenticate that data
Naphex: i might set up a play service this weekend
Naphex: vacation time in romania, might as well have some fun
fluffypony: cool beans
fluffypony: once everyone reads through this log I'm sure there will be some input
fluffypony: and then let's plz BIP it, I'll do the grunt work of writing the BIP if you're feeling lazy
Naphex: i'll build up a service and see if we can poke holes in it, dnssec sign each zone, and reverse/point fowards for the addresses
Naphex: or another record field, where you can reverse associate the address to the specific dns signature
fluffypony: sounds good
Naphex: so atleast you're setting up trust in all ways, and can be verified
Naphex: mircea will like it cause you can use GPG directories/certs http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssec-certs-04#section-3.2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00096908 = 20.5445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 536 @ 0.00020062 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0336663 = 0.1683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00097627 = 14.4976 BTC [+]
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ozbot: Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake
jurov: i love when i register for various crap and then get sudden lulzies
jurov: "..some of the pre-reserved domains will soon be available for purchase. The domain(s) in question are: bitcoin.bargains bitcoin.cheap"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0344597 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up BohemianHacks
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up MiningBuddy-
assbot: Voicing MiningBuddy- for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up phish
assbot: Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
BohemianHacks: Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
jurov: speaking is not compulsory
jurov: just feels so :)
BingoBoingo: Logging on you own though... You never know when assbot will go down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
fluffypony: kakobrekla should host assbot on the MaidSafe (tm) network
fluffypony: for only a few SafeCoins (tm) a day (tm)
fluffypony: oh wait nm, they don't actually have a product
ozbot: MaidSafe Sells $6 Million of Bitcoin 2.0 Software in Five Hours – Press Release | MaidSafe
fluffypony: oh wow, I didn't know that we're already on Bitcoin 2.0
fluffypony: when Bitcoin 1.0 hadn't been released yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00012414 = 0.1862 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: There is no real Bitcoin after 0.7
jurov: can it be shorted?
fluffypony: jurov: I don't think so
jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol
fluffypony: I don't see any concrete plans for trading "stock" in the company
fluffypony: except "ohai mastercoin"
jurov: no i mean mastercoins as such
fluffypony: oic oic
fluffypony: I have nfi
jurov: morning mircea
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: guten Tag
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 225 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 35k High: 200 Low: 160 VWAP: 190
fluffypony: Ce mai faci?
mircea_popescu: tu ce mai faci ?
fluffypony: Mulţumesc, bine
mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, special chars.
mircea_popescu: did you set up a ro kbd just to impress me ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447518 = 0.179 BTC [-]
fluffypony: cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook
fluffypony: much easier
fluffypony: the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian
fluffypony: except Salut, which is pretty universal ;)
mircea_popescu: consulem romanorum regii Pyrrhi salutem
mircea_popescu: what's that say ?
fluffypony consults the phrase book
mircea_popescu: i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/
fluffypony: Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does
BingoBoingo: It's latin..
fluffypony: well there you go
fluffypony: no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me
mircea_popescu: well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal.
mircea_popescu: (this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe")
fluffypony: you literally broke my brain
mircea_popescu: you're numerically welcome.
fluffypony: literally hitler
fluffypony: hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting
mircea_popescu: "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly.
mircea_popescu: decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0678 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof.
mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower.
mircea_popescu: when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish.
mircea_popescu: keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward)
mircea_popescu: there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner.
mircea_popescu: you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line.
mircea_popescu: see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff.
mircea_popescu: that it may be yea
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand how it works.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise
fluffypony: and his github
mircea_popescu: fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined.
mircea_popescu: you just have to ask.
mircea_popescu: what's his github say ?
fluffypony: I know, but then the registration info changes
fluffypony: because they drop the nick
fluffypony: and let you register it
mircea_popescu: this is a point actually.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus.
mircea_popescu: you understand ? identity is a flimsy beast.
mircea_popescu: good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least.
mircea_popescu: !up BohemianHacks
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide
fluffypony: I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06] <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well maybe he gets through the logs.
fluffypony: tru dat
BohemianHacks: because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks
BohemianHacks: a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base
fluffypony: thought it best for him to get some proper info :)
mircea_popescu: so in the sense of "stuff to do with bitcoin" ?
BohemianHacks: no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return
BohemianHacks: lotteries, stocks, funds
BohemianHacks: all fall under that umbrella
mircea_popescu: but you can't invest in a lottery.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's the disconnect. aite.
BohemianHacks: sure you can, its a poor one but you can
BohemianHacks: buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people
mircea_popescu: this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism
BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV.
BohemianHacks: no thats just good investing
mircea_popescu: now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting
mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare
mircea_popescu: once the punches start flrying
BohemianHacks: No as in the definition of the word
mircea_popescu: the "definition of the word" according to whom ?
BohemianHacks: "the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. "
BohemianHacks: dentistry ^
BohemianHacks: the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason
BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
BohemianHacks: ^invest
mircea_popescu: "the dictionary" is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: "we" similarly.
mircea_popescu: did you mean a webpage somewhere ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00097627 = 11.5034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding.
BohemianHacks: meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing.
mircea_popescu: then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff.
mircea_popescu: similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ.
mircea_popescu: i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake.
BohemianHacks: Same :D
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ?
fluffypony: lawlz
punkman: Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings"
mircea_popescu: meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ?
mircea_popescu: punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries.
mircea_popescu: culture world problems.
mircea_popescu: !up Curious_George
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
punkman: like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising
BohemianHacks: You guys are entertaining.
mircea_popescu: punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions.
mircea_popescu: been trying to lure some but to little awail so far.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ?
fluffypony: punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it.
BohemianHacks: so far it seems false etymology
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
mircea_popescu: ignorant ~and~ arrogant ?!
BohemianHacks: Clearly im the arrogant one here.
punkman: I like mp's definition better than the dictionary
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol.
fluffypony: I can imagine
mircea_popescu: i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so apparently teh chinese just demolished a pretty old church. this thing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmTiGh7CUAER9Zz.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.
BohemianHacks: You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers.
mircea_popescu: same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again.
BohemianHacks: I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you.
BohemianHacks: part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective
BohemianHacks: so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: elaborate plx
mircea_popescu: on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.
fluffypony: but you can check directly with the NS for the domain?
mircea_popescu: how do you check ?
fluffypony: whois
mircea_popescu: that ain't "directly".
fluffypony: fair enough, I get your point
fluffypony: ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow
fluffypony: phone / email / whatever
mircea_popescu: gpg signed works.
fluffypony: so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.
mircea_popescu: it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb.
mircea_popescu: because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money
mircea_popescu: perfect.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.
mircea_popescu: then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities,
mircea_popescu: and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?
mircea_popescu: much like they wonder about mpoe atm.
mircea_popescu: !up Jacobite
assbot: Voicing Jacobite for 30 minutes.
Jacobite: hi mircea enjoy reading your website.
jurov: sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?
cazalla: 50mn, surely you jest?
mircea_popescu: jurov we probably should blame lampelina ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla why ?
jurov: lol poor lampelina
cazalla: mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price?
Curious_George: man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Curious_George
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
jurov: anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by support@coinbr.com.
mircea_popescu: gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system
Curious_George: i expect alot of facepaloming i know
Curious_George: *face palming
jurov: what's to stop anyone to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?
mircea_popescu: jurov your address is in the wot.
mircea_popescu: !up VanCleef
assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
cazalla: it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can
VanCleef: thanks
mircea_popescu: cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ?
VanCleef: why is it like this btw?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now
mircea_popescu: also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
mircea_popescu: cazalla aok.
Curious_George: yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head
mircea_popescu: Curious_George what os you run ? windows ?
Curious_George: yeah thats how simple i am
mircea_popescu: aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ?
fluffypony: we should do that thang
VanCleef: ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups
mircea_popescu: VanCleef well so ask a q ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what happened on the upper side there
fluffypony: got clipped
mircea_popescu: Curious_George http://www.gpg4win.org/ there, you can dld that thing play around with it see what it does.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum?
jurov: mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?
mircea_popescu: cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp.
mircea_popescu: jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack.
VanCleef: hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon
mircea_popescu: more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end.
jurov: but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy
jurov: than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube
mircea_popescu: jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system
mircea_popescu: which wouldn't be a bad idea in any sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+]
jurov: such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted..
mircea_popescu: jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl.
mircea_popescu: jurov either that or the man is doing a phd.
jurov: nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there?
mircea_popescu: anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts
fluffypony: mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg updated
mircea_popescu: punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.
mircea_popescu: but alas...
Naphex: ok..
Naphex: so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier
Naphex: # host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things
Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="
mircea_popescu: punkman where did yo uwork ? doing what ?
Naphex: signature includes DNSSEC KSK key
Naphex: # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
Naphex: DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
punkman: mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot
Naphex: and all records are signed
fluffypony: BitNews responded to the points I raised re: their SeedCoin II fundraising - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587908.0 - "Thank you for your feedback. We’ll take your comments on board and carry on! Don’t stay tuned for now. We’ll keep you posted when appropriate."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao the ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: punkman a, i c. well, can't hurt.
mircea_popescu: Naphex what happens if i replace both records ?
Naphex: you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail
Naphex: ideally you could just save the KSK
Naphex: and trust it
Naphex: creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer
fluffypony: TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam.
VanCleef: never trust an aussie
VanCleef: they've been behind so many bitcoin scams
fluffypony: VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing
Naphex: http://pastebin.com/nGVC7rNz dig output, with dnssec
ozbot: # dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro - Pastebin.com
fluffypony: unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going
fluffypony: which leads to deals with "incubators"
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VanCleef: hmmm
cazalla: VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that :\
fluffypony: pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position
fluffypony: how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2}
VanCleef: plz reup me
VanCleef: when its over
jurov: you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order
jurov: !up VanCleef
assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
VanCleef: thanks bud
mircea_popescu: Naphex im sure, validate requests before what ?
mircea_popescu: o look at that, pankkake we're cotrolls now.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what that means.
mircea_popescu: and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.
mircea_popescu: it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published
Naphex: if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can
mircea_popescu: published where ?
Naphex: DNS
mircea_popescu: so i'm dns, i replace all of them.
Naphex: if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid
Naphex: by whichever dns resolves it
mircea_popescu: where does client acquire signature ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, pubkey ?
Naphex: pub key directory, from service site, or from dns
Naphex: 1 way, # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro
Naphex: addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
Naphex: and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: so from dns.
mircea_popescu: well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot.
mircea_popescu: but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental.
mircea_popescu: and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot.
Naphex: just meant to be viable
Naphex: i.e if you an send to deposits.mpex.co
Naphex: and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile
Naphex: and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client
Naphex: green - for full check, approved key
Naphex: yellow for whatever, and other color codes
mircea_popescu: what's color codes to do with anything tho ?
mircea_popescu: i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.
mircea_popescu: dns serves no useful purpose for mpex.
Naphex: color codes - for clients that maybe want to implement name2address resolve
Naphex: type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer
mircea_popescu: you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you.
Naphex: lol not at all
Naphex: but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur
mircea_popescu: not like it's a bad thing.
Apocalyptic: I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt
mircea_popescu: i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that.
Naphex: lol
Naphex: Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00097668 = 26.5169 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: Naphex hehe
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got
Dimsler: its like west germany prices for everything
mircea_popescu: it's crazy.
Dimsler: but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience
Dimsler: just bought some pairs of under
Dimsler: $11usd a pair
Dimsler: crazy to the max
Dimsler: because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour
Dimsler: i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: gas right ? it's like 10 dollars a liter.
Dimsler: yeah i know
mircea_popescu: yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour
Dimsler: i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow
jurov: gas? where?
Dimsler: and it was 200euro fill up
mircea_popescu: work 8 hours to the liter ? wtf.
Dimsler: yes
mircea_popescu: but yet they drive. it's beyond me.
jurov: here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive
Dimsler: yes no idea
Dimsler: italy is most expensive
mircea_popescu: jurov sorry i meant gallon
mircea_popescu: it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon
Dimsler: well i mean DE has no min wage
Dimsler: i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy
Dimsler: since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max
Dimsler: but it looks like many are quite apprehensive
mircea_popescu: because they've also been scammed to the max.
Dimsler: yes
Dimsler: the instant rebuttle i get here
Dimsler: is the amway pyramid scheme
Dimsler: soon as i mention btc
mircea_popescu: Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e.
mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307
assbot: Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: well i mean who cares if its a scam or not
Dimsler: if you're using it to trasnfer money
Dimsler: like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06726382 = 0.2691 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends.
mircea_popescu: forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny.
Dimsler: need to focus on criminals
Dimsler: they are the most important element
Dimsler: lets be realisitc
Dimsler: who were the first people to use cars?
Dimsler: bank robbers
mircea_popescu: that's not true in any sense.
Dimsler: yes it is
mircea_popescu: the first people to use cars were the rich.
Dimsler: last 8-9 months of btc run up
mircea_popescu: the same people who do yachting competitions.
Dimsler: has been carders
Dimsler: drug dealers
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
Dimsler: online criminal
mircea_popescu: that's such nonsense.
Dimsler: lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast?
Dimsler: there was an old lady standing inline
Dimsler: they asked her why she was buying bitcoins
Dimsler: and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer
mircea_popescu: anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters.
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad
mircea_popescu: oh, bitcoin is based on silkroad.
mircea_popescu: and then... silkroad went away... nobody noticed.
Naphex: total bullshit
mircea_popescu: criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time.
Naphex: now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car
Dimsler: then where are the instritional investors then?
mircea_popescu: petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make
mircea_popescu: Dimsler apparently nowhere in your horizon.
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps.
mircea_popescu: why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me.
Dimsler: conference derps are losers
Dimsler: they believe bitcoin is going to grow
Dimsler: with a bunch of nerrds
Dimsler: buying $100
Dimsler: and holding it
Dimsler: worth
mircea_popescu: well what's the problem wit hthat ?
Dimsler: the fact that those people are just noise
Dimsler: they don't add any value
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will.
kakobrekla: > You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble.
Dimsler: in what sense?
Dimsler: be remaking technology to support bitcoin
Dimsler: and calling it new and fresh?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what'd you say ?
kakobrekla: the emails i get.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ?
Dimsler: need more criminals
Dimsler: utilizing he system
Dimsler: criminals, outliers,
Dimsler: these are the people who will et btc grow
Dimsler: tax cheats
fluffypony: porn sites need it
Dimsler: oh yes
Dimsler: porn gambling
kakobrekla: well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes.
Dimsler: the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat
Dimsler: pay taxes in fiat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts... when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old << this is 'cheney's algorithm' for semispace garbage collection. i've always wanted to implement it in meatspace.
Dimsler: and settle in fiat
kakobrekla: so i dunno what confused him.
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "I’ll walk out of here right now!"
mircea_popescu: (A salesman approaches)
mircea_popescu: SALESMAN: Can I help you with something?
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and we’re walkin’!
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, we’re just waiting for David Puddy.
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You don’t know what I’m doin’ here.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun?
Dimsler: lol that was a good episode
Dimsler: was that when they were buying the saab?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler yea
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: ate georges twix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 500 bucks ... open land in patagonia << once i crack the puzzle of what to eat - and where to plug in - at patagonia (or timisoara, or antarctica, or mars) - there i'll be.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
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kakobrekla: fluffypony very.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women.
mircea_popescu: they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves.
asciilifeform: or of... colocolos
asciilifeform: 'desktop sized' cats have been trained to bring back hares, etc. before.
Dimsler: yeah
mircea_popescu: this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper.
Dimsler: but gold <> money
mircea_popescu: getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years.
asciilifeform: lol sounds like an argument against perl.
mircea_popescu: exaclty is.
mircea_popescu: better have women hunters than train cats.
Dimsler: i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate
Dimsler: but they do it to themselves
mircea_popescu: the who ?
asciilifeform: the pre-literate? (typo, but good one)
Dimsler: proletariat
Dimsler: excuse my spelling long day
Dimsler: rape the labourier?
Dimsler: orwell anyone?
moiety: mew
moiety: set my client to flash at colocolos also
moiety: desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins
moiety: mine are too stupid to train
ozbot: #SorryNotSorry
fluffypony: moiety: did you see my mock up?
moiety: not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here?
moiety: omg that is epic
moiety: have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic
moiety: aw i wish this was a thing
fluffypony: we should make it a thing
fluffypony: ask TAT
moiety: i looked into it, coingen.io is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself
moiety: i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this
fluffypony: don't worry
fluffypony: "writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort
fluffypony: a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block
fluffypony: punkman: aaaand now I have nightmares
punkman: only 2500 of these
punkman: seems out of stock everywhere
punkman: that's not as interesting-looking
punkman: ah there's a bunch on ebay
fluffypony: that cat looks like a pussy, moiety
fluffypony: fake-ul
moiety: lol fake-ul
moiety: the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel
moiety: the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
mircea_popescu: o wow, that still going ?
mircea_popescu: "Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. "
pankkake: it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: i like how you keep them fires stoked lol
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: im a total lambchop fan.
mircea_popescu: "I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago."
kakobrekla: that will buy you a share?!
mircea_popescu: funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn
mircea_popescu: 400mn seems such pocket change
mike_c: have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel?
ozbot: Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ...
kakobrekla: i thought i was marcel
mike_c: i see no such spam
kakobrekla: i see it.
mike_c: you were supposed to reload the page.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i think it's different people
mircea_popescu: BCB indeed.
BCB: mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark
mircea_popescu: you know, this was not a secret in any sense.
moiety has made the move to forum.lk
BCB: mircea_popescu, I never followed it much. But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting
BCB: US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB, I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger.
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the Users db
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a users db.
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the buyers info
BCB: *nor
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. --- dammit i signed in just to say this
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yw :)
ThickAsThieves: was reading logs offline
BCB: You boys are so clever
mircea_popescu: BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ?
BCB: mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest. "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites.
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ?
mircea_popescu: and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data
ThickAsThieves: i found the shavers testimony to be a fun read
mircea_popescu: BCB wait, how's that obviously work ?
ThickAsThieves: nice balance between trolling and idiocy
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, tardstalk meets legalspeak.
BCB: ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot. I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the complete contents
ThickAsThieves: well, the forum makes it easy
BCB: mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up. It is missing early data and the final three months
BCB: ThickAsThieves, obviously
ThickAsThieves: SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it
mircea_popescu: missing the final three months ?
ThickAsThieves: cuz gambling iz bad, unless you are a state
ThickAsThieves: then you can print scratchers and race dogs
ThickAsThieves: or if you are red you can casino
ThickAsThieves: drives me crazy seeing "state lottery" billboards
ThickAsThieves: like seriously, wtf
mircea_popescu: gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it.
ThickAsThieves: it's also an inauditable scam
ThickAsThieves: (state lottery)
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet.
ThickAsThieves: do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though?
ThickAsThieves: being that the secret key is still a leak
mircea_popescu: notrly. or how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: i don't follow.
ThickAsThieves: well the host knows the key right?
ThickAsThieves: and can win at will
ThickAsThieves: this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise
mircea_popescu: you can do it like jd does it
mircea_popescu: that's actually pf.
fluffypony: I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers"
ThickAsThieves: dooglus can't steal?
mircea_popescu: not from the players.
BCB: mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30
mircea_popescu: BCB yours or mine ?
ThickAsThieves: explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will?
ThickAsThieves: please :)
fluffypony: HAH HAH - davout - apparently you're paying the forum moderators to cockblock bitcoinbourse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6454635#msg6454635
ThickAsThieves: is it feasible to somehow decentralize the key?
ThickAsThieves: or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow?
pankkake: no, he can indeed win at will
pankkake: and said so himself
BCB: pankkake, are you a troll for hire
mike_c: and clearly is doing so. investors only made 4% in april! scamz.
fluffypony: thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense
ThickAsThieves: well maybe they made 5%
ThickAsThieves: and they just dont know it!
pankkake: BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's this user secret.
mike_c: but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: playing roughly the role of the salt in a hash
mike_c: so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares?
mike_c: investors still got 4%
pankkake: I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash
ThickAsThieves: mike_c thats kinda a wtf argument to the topic
pankkake: but that means waiting for the results
mike_c: the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus. and he returned 4% in april.
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah a new zooko triangle is emerging
ThickAsThieves: ok but whether its a good investment isnt the topic
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective
mircea_popescu: investors is a diff story
ThickAsThieves: the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer
ThickAsThieves: or just a new strain
dignork: ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so you familiar with how jd does it ?
ThickAsThieves: not in contrast to Sdice, no
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves look in his faq, it's explained there.
mircea_popescu: you can add your own seed to his.
ThickAsThieves: i told 20year to grow up and wot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret
mircea_popescu: which then would not work with other players'
mircea_popescu: cause he is constrained by only having one server secret
mike_c: um, actually each player gets their own server secret
mike_c: pretty sure
ThickAsThieves: is that to say, it is 100% fair for the bettor
mike_c: which you can change at any time
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's YOURS
ThickAsThieves: that dooglus can steal from investors still?
mike_c: no, the server one
mircea_popescu: but server also has one. his.
mike_c: you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime
mircea_popescu: well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did.
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: exactly
mike_c: i vote you :)
mircea_popescu: dooglus set us straight ?
ThickAsThieves: so the excercise should change to
mike_c: the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day)
mike_c: you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one
ThickAsThieves: design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone
mircea_popescu: mike_c hm
mircea_popescu: maybe he changed the system ?
mircea_popescu: i only eval'd it once, when he was starting up.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that may be impossible.
mike_c: but this doesn't break anything. because you can change your secret after the server secret is set.
ThickAsThieves: for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair
mircea_popescu: mike_c you're confusing me.
ThickAsThieves: things are actually WORSE for the US
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why ?
ThickAsThieves: cuz gov can steal earnings at will
ThickAsThieves: diverting them where they like
mike_c: ok, you get the hash for server secret. you want a new server secret? click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret.
mike_c: now you can set your own client seed
mike_c: bam, provably fair
mircea_popescu: RIGHT! so there are in fact two.
mike_c: yes.
mircea_popescu: but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys
mike_c: right
mircea_popescu: but you can see the old hash at will.
mike_c: yup
mircea_popescu: and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its
mike_c: yes, unless you tell it to
mircea_popescu: except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does.
mircea_popescu: these two have the same effect.
pankkake: you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's open to miner manipulation rly.
pankkake: yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players.
ThickAsThieves: but can from investors
mircea_popescu: it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude)
mircea_popescu: pankkake true.
pankkake: though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock
ThickAsThieves: salty fairness
mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle
mircea_popescu: was demo'd at conference
pankkake: nice
mircea_popescu: i think will open for a close beta soonish
mircea_popescu: or close for an open beta
mike_c: it'll be out before cardano :D
mircea_popescu: or something
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a challenge!
ThickAsThieves: or a bet
pankkake: still, you would have to wait for a block for the result
ThickAsThieves: white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks,"
ThickAsThieves: leave it vulnerable so we can protect it!
pankkake: so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing
mike_c: that is the tradeoff i have ended up at. although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on trilema for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are
mike_c: the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance
pankkake: waiting can be part of the fun
thestringpuller: you being the woodchipper lemmings
thestringpuller: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC
ThickAsThieves: am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report.
mircea_popescu: nobody has to buy it tho.
mike_c: first report being before may 5?
mircea_popescu: seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can
mircea_popescu: but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what ws your blog again ?
mike_c: devilwearsbitcoin
ozbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.
mircea_popescu: possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: good thing i dont plan to make any money from it
ThickAsThieves: on purpose at least
mrstickball: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better
mircea_popescu: what'd he do
mike_c: ;;ident the20year
gribble: Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None
ThickAsThieves: he's the RENT guy
ThickAsThieves: been around like a year
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: and been voiced a handful of days since the change
pankkake: weird
ThickAsThieves: it's time for him to get auth'd properly
pankkake: oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball!
ThickAsThieves: in my elitist opinion
mike_c: well, he can't up himself if no one rates him
fluffypony: oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy
ThickAsThieves: maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it?
mircea_popescu: a he got himself into the wot huh. cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant
mrstickball: I gotta give him a rating shortly. For some reason, he never bothered with garnering a lot of trust via OTC
mircea_popescu: how did that work in the end ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system. there will be no more spammers on btcalpha.
ThickAsThieves: it's still going
ThickAsThieves: they shut off trading for like a month
ThickAsThieves: new offering was at much higher than market value
ThickAsThieves: but someone conviently bought it up
the20year: not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in
ThickAsThieves: conveniently
kakobrekla: mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p
pankkake: well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable
ThickAsThieves: i already get spam on my blog...
the20year: HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares
fluffypony: I have no spam on my blog
fluffypony: disqus = love
ThickAsThieves: if you felt like it?
kakobrekla: i have little spam on bitbet
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com woodchipper
gribble: The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement>; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)
kakobrekla: math = hard
mike_c: kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :)
pankkake: fluffypony: disqus = evil
fluffypony: pankkake: for comments does it matter?
mike_c: fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself.
fluffypony: mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll
kakobrekla: what is jerky?
fluffypony: disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins
the20year: Correct
fluffypony: it generates static html from markdown, basically
fluffypony: so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory
mrstickball: ;;gettrust the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user the20year: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
pankkake: I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail
pankkake: but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress
kakobrekla: do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc.
fluffypony: pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus
asciilifeform: suggested experiment: only accept pgp-signed comments.
pankkake: at least I have full control of the content!
kakobrekla: mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing
asciilifeform: handily abolishes user registration, 'avatars', all that crap
ThickAsThieves: only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit
asciilifeform: and probably shoots spammers dead.
pankkake: asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them
kakobrekla: this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic
asciilifeform: usernames (displayed on blog) would link to wot.
pankkake: and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without
asciilifeform: call it 'web 0.0' or something.
pankkake: you know PGP identities can be pictures :)
pankkake: ahah, web 0.0 I like it
asciilifeform: pankkake: identities are keys.
fluffypony: pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content
pankkake: I really want to start a movement of anti-web things
asciilifeform: if key signs a photo, sure, display it if you feel like it
pankkake: fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine.
fluffypony: pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying
asciilifeform: you also get fine-grained moderation for free
asciilifeform: that is, basic level - only accept comments from folks in wot
asciilifeform: next, arsebot-style filter
mircea_popescu: !up owner
assbot: Voicing owner for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?!
fluffypony: plus I *hate* WP
numerisTrade: hi bitcoin-assets
kakobrekla: not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs
pankkake: wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding
fluffypony: kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately
mircea_popescu: pankkake trilema runs wp 1.8 i think ?
pankkake: lol, never got hacked?
mircea_popescu: no nm 2.7
pankkake: though most holes lately require access to wp-admin
mike_c: fluffypony: you should see wikimedia. amazingly it is worse than wordpress.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: mediawiki you mean
mike_c: yeah
pankkake: but yeah, what a fucking mess
fluffypony: mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch
mircea_popescu: mediawiki is god awful yes
mircea_popescu: but tbh i think wp only became broken after 2.x
pankkake: I hate the new admin interface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily
bounce: there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though
ThickAsThieves: this should be funny, wu tang fans trying to scrape together $5m to buy the promo album coming out (only one copy to exist) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wu-tang-disciples-unite-for-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin#home
pankkake: I wonder if there's a request on what.cd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: pankkake i could too, via email, in wp of 2008
mircea_popescu: never have.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic
fluffypony: *shafted*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}
the20year: hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such
the20year: *when mrstickball gets his warehouse
fluffypony: won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: https://i.imgur.com/xeRwL7W.png we'll see. after all, what.cd leaked Microsoft COFEE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9}
kakobrekla: that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess
mrstickball: move to Ohio and you can share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10}
fluffypony: mrstickball: lol
mrstickball: put in some injection moulding machines and start a company
mrstickball: we'll have plenty of room and electric
kakobrekla: ah nvm its a request
kakobrekla: im retarded as usual.
fluffypony: I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there
pankkake: kakobrekla: what.cd eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something
kakobrekla: too much heat.
pankkake: like some trackers ban advance copies
fluffypony: kakobrekla: figurative or literal?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: retarded? literally.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6}
kakobrekla: ah, sorry, im not from the ghetto.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club
ThickAsThieves: they wanna see what happens
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment
ThickAsThieves: maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24}
ThickAsThieves: or the like
punkman: good thing they didn't make MITcoin
kakobrekla: this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: you cant do shit with 100$.
punkman: so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc
fluffypony: "$110 off your student loan!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <punkman> so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc <<
mircea_popescu: i vote "a charity to get more women into gayness"
mircea_popescu: no wait.
mircea_popescu: into tech i meant.
ThickAsThieves: Suicide Help Line
ThickAsThieves: We accept BTC!
ThickAsThieves: "Stop being a pussy. Have a nice day!"
punkman: so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes
mircea_popescu: maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ?
mircea_popescu: punkman this is fashionable nowadays.
ThickAsThieves: useful API
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC
mircea_popescu: but don't they email ?
fluffypony: punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP?
punkman: fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything
punkman: I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only
fluffypony: ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
fluffypony: punkman: ala the little php snipped in http://trilema.com/2013/a-little-bit-of-ddos/ but forward proxying instead of reverse
benkay: mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you
thestringpuller: an old flame war of sorts but it had a good quote in it
thestringpuller: having trouble finding it in logs
mircea_popescu: benkay trilema comments atm
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller um not sure ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet
thestringpuller: it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDaZsgR5zg 200$ and you get to crack the egg
thestringpuller: not a big deal
Naphex: like never before
benkay: <mircea_popescu> on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig?
mircea_popescu: benkay kinda why i was suggesting he blog.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+]
fluffypony: lol, 'Merkan food
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4}
mrstickball: wow @ PETA
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: !up JorgePasada
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: Man, so bummed there's no meetup tonight
benkay: no get together?
JorgePasada: 5th Tuesday of the Month
JorgePasada: Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing
JorgePasada: It's 1st and 3rd Tuesday
JorgePasada: Not every other week
JorgePasada: So we're in a weird 'leap week'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-]
benkay: oh.
benkay: random_cat_: nothing doing tonight
benkay: !up donpillou
assbot: Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes.
donpillou: yay!
mircea_popescu: donpillou who're you
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada lol bad luck.
donpillou: i'm a random guy from the internets
JorgePasada: All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid
JorgePasada: I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating
mircea_popescu: but if you have friends already...
JorgePasada: but really it's because I'm just lazy
JorgePasada: Yeah that too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy
JorgePasada: Meet people IRL?
mircea_popescu: sort-of amir taaki-esque
mircea_popescu: who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture
mircea_popescu: by himself.
mircea_popescu: it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online
mircea_popescu: and then have friends.
mircea_popescu: solitude is an incredible thing.
JorgePasada: That's slightly depressing
mircea_popescu: think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture.
mircea_popescu: beats the "pot to piss in" by a large margin.
moiety: can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea.
benkay: must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety
moiety: children are the bane of my existence
benkay: and you don't even have any!
moiety: IK!
kakobrekla: i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them.
moiety: gimma a shotgun pls
benkay: wouldn't you prefer a cane?
moiety: nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx
benkay: you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture?
benkay: children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no.
moiety: benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though
moiety: i don't mind children with ears and half a brain
JorgePasada: moiety: Eh, just ignore them.
JorgePasada: although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content
JorgePasada: is getting harder every september
mircea_popescu: either that or we're just getting lazier/stupider/etc
benkay: don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval.
benkay: JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content
JorgePasada: benkay: Disagree
moiety: mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts
mircea_popescu: moiety will play either way.
moiety: ah ty
benkay: mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
benkay: the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly.
JorgePasada: benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online
mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people.
JorgePasada: I really gotta get on this WoT thing
JorgePasada: Stupid lazy brain
JorgePasada: Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam
benkay: well don't do only one thing
benkay: have skin in several games, right?
Apocalyptic: what games are you proposing benkay ?
benkay: you want to know where i put my skin?
benkay: no dice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+]
benkay: but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot.
JorgePasada: benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz.
Apocalyptic: <benkay> you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that
benkay: JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol
JorgePasada: benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
benkay: running the confidence game can be very lucrative!
JorgePasada: benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so
JorgePasada: Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident
benkay: tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though.
JorgePasada: in what sense do you mean?
benkay: the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves.
benkay: his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con.
JorgePasada: brings an interesting thought
JorgePasada: is identity = reputation?
JorgePasada: But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions
JorgePasada: where I think people don't understand the market
JorgePasada: I'm happy, they're happy
JorgePasada: Everyone wins
JorgePasada: So I'm reading this article a friend wrote
moiety: i need this in my life http://9gag.com/gag/aLKV4Qv
moiety: having a read at your link now JorgePasada
JorgePasada: Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts
JorgePasada: That paragraph bothers me.
HeySteve: <+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 976 @ 0.00085096 = 0.8305 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic
benkay: !up Bunnyh
assbot: Voicing Bunnyh for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: paragraph after that
JorgePasada: Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.
JorgePasada: more accurately the very last part
JorgePasada: 'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5}
JorgePasada: because it's blatantly false
JorgePasada: It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7}
JorgePasada: or, sorry
JorgePasada: not detract any value
JorgePasada: is a better way of stating it
JorgePasada: Before you only had 2 options
JorgePasada: er, one
JorgePasada: and now you have two
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1392 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 130 @ 0.00090475 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3}
JorgePasada: Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good
JorgePasada: specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options
JorgePasada: but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis
benkay: "It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas.
benkay: as in, makes zero sense.
benkay: sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece
JorgePasada: Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all
JorgePasada: but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen
benkay: "It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human.
benkay: it's not a mistake.
JorgePasada: What do you mean?
benkay: who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message?
JorgePasada: I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way...
JorgePasada: It's a network, there has to be points of entry
benkay: there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth
HeySteve: you can run bitcoin over tor
benkay: the honeypot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
HeySteve: who knows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004665 = 0.4665 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: -assets knows all
benkay: !up JorgePas_
assbot: Voicing JorgePas_ for 30 minutes.
JorgePas_: stupid comcast
TomServo: Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00470683 = 2.5134 BTC [+] {8}
ozbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete
TomServo: damn clipboard!
benkay: lol no page found, bitcoinpete
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC
benkay: ah but the third one
thestringpuller: ;;calc .2 / 50
gribble: 0.004
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.004 * 20
gribble: 0.08
bitcoinpete: benkay: resolved
bitcoinpete: was fiddling with titles and urls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0697619 = 2.4417 BTC [-] {5}
FabianB: hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds?
bitcoinpete: i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07411003 = 0.1482 BTC [+]
mod6: you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: mod6: i am now :)
mod6: any specific title?
moiety: bitcoinpete: Nietzschean*
bitcoinpete: moiety: i suppose, though i've seen both
moiety: fe
bitcoinpete: mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings
bitcoinpete: mod6: any recommendations?
mod6: The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good. I read now and then from The Will to Power.
mod6: The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes. It's good though.
mircea_popescu: FabianB well it was started with my own btc.
mircea_popescu: moiety which part
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two."
FabianB: mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF
mircea_popescu: <benkay> These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic.
mircea_popescu: let me guess, derp byrne ?
bitcoinpete: mod6 thanks!
benkay: mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link.
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one
mircea_popescu: o medium.com thing. mk.
bitcoinpete: anyhoo, yoga time. cheers!
JorgePasada: Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that
JorgePasada: Medium.com that is
moiety: mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself.
mircea_popescu: yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use.
JorgePasada: 'dude brah'
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsche’s philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations.
mircea_popescu: so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute
mircea_popescu: basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;seen princessnell
gribble: I have not seen princessnell.
benkay: ho ho ho
mircea_popescu: what was it ?
mircea_popescu: wait, she NEVER said anything ?
benkay: don't recall, no.
benkay: try le tweets.
moiety: i dont remember her actually speaking
moiety: also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now
moiety: in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
fluffypony: moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul
fluffypony: so I hear
fluffypony: ma nigga
moiety: i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch
HeySteve: the stupidity is overwhelming
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03465383 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [+]
benkay: "In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments."
pankkake: I wonder if Scarlett in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NESL_Iron_Lady sparked some juicy controversy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
fluffypony: "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15939 @ 0.00097784 = 15.5858 BTC [+]
pankkake: what did he say?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day
mod6: bitcoinpete: np. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06750388 = 6.7504 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately..
moiety: :D
moiety: psssh its just being involved
moiety: might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all
moiety: perhaps didnt think this through
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06736817 = 13.4736 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
fluffypony: oh wow
fluffypony: so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort?
benkay: !up JorgePasada
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: Also...
JorgePasada: guess what I just did
fluffypony: JorgePasada: had a glass of wine?
fluffypony: nm, that's me
JorgePasada: Nah, finally authenticated
JorgePasada: with the WoT
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: link's above
ThickAsThieves: yeah i clicked
fluffypony: it's all very confusing
ThickAsThieves: and saw nothing even discussing trades
fluffypony: ok well
benkay: ;;ident JorgePasada
gribble: Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None
fluffypony: MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting
fluffypony: then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum."
benkay: ;;rate JorgePasada 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded.
benkay: !down JorgePasada
ThickAsThieves: so HL is saying they havent disappeared?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014
fluffypony: so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them
fluffypony: and ALSO
benkay: aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up
fluffypony: Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed."
fluffypony: how could they do that without talking to them?
ThickAsThieves: well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none
ThickAsThieves: altought financial reports would be enough
JorgePasada: Scweet.
fluffypony: they back the fuck up completely
fluffypony: "We don't have any inside information that is not made public."
fluffypony: and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade
fluffypony: "Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. "
ThickAsThieves: well kinda splitting peanuts
fluffypony: it's all very confusing
ThickAsThieves: well thats what happens when you try to fill a void
ThickAsThieves: you invent gods
pankkake: mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing
ThickAsThieves: fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]
JorgePasada: Y'all see this yet?
fluffypony: well that seems a convenient work around
fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US
fluffypony: rent it to someone outside of the US
fluffypony: make it a zero-sum game
JorgePasada: It's actually a sensible ruling though
JorgePasada: which is strange coming from them
benkay raises an eyebrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00098027 = 23.6245 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ...
pankkake: or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: on the same grounds, i
mircea_popescu: i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be.
mircea_popescu: scammers always do.
JorgePasada: Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that :-P
mircea_popescu: idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means.
fluffypony: oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC?
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task.
mircea_popescu: it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space.
fluffypony: you know what they say
fluffypony: "they see me trollin', they hatin'"
benkay: i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped.
JorgePasada: I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS
mircea_popescu: if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must.
mircea_popescu: o'toole, hepburn, hopkins...
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ozbot: Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm
pankkake: what's wood law? some class action thing?
pankkake: eh, they have BFL too
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mircea_popescu: pankkake yes they were suing bfl.
pankkake: were?
mircea_popescu: !up mumu
assbot: Voicing mumu for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.
mircea_popescu: !up Thelamarvelous1
assbot: Voicing Thelamarvelous1 for 30 minutes.
Thelamarvelous1: Hi everyone
mike_c: hello!
Thelamarvelous1: I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new here
Thelamarvelous1: What should i know
mike_c: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ << a decent place to start.
ozbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]
ozbot: Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: a fine example of educated idiocy.
mircea_popescu: why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ?
Thelamarvelous1: who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart.
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service.
mircea_popescu: Thelamarvelous1 how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really
Thelamarvelous1: Because that is the plan in the first place
ThickAsThieves: all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting)
ThickAsThieves: so i didnt wanna worry about more servers n shit
Thelamarvelous1: Dumb people down then tell them what to do
ThickAsThieves: motherfucker
kakobrekla: is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there.
pankkake: Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble
ThickAsThieves: the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo
ThickAsThieves: but who knows
kakobrekla: fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there.
Thelamarvelous1: Tbabks... how do I do that pankkake?
ThickAsThieves give kako some cake
kakobrekla hides it from mp quickly
Thelamarvelous1: Thanks for the info
kakobrekla: imma be a smartass
jborkl_: I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :)
kakobrekla: of what?
jborkl_: bcoinnews.com - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that
kakobrekla: you run this?
jborkl_: yep
mircea_popescu: hey! cake goes to my stash of uneaten cake!
ThickAsThieves: namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received?
jborkl_: working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling
ThickAsThieves: motherfucker!
ThickAsThieves: my website aint loading
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong!
mircea_popescu: what was the error code biatch!
ThickAsThieves: Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now
ThickAsThieves: magical...
ThickAsThieves: Roman G: I understand your frustration and would like to keep monitoring your website performance for another 2-3 days and in case of any issues do not hesitate to contact us back at once
Thelamarvelous1: Now I'll be reading all night. But thanks guys. See ya soon.
ThickAsThieves: lol all i said was is there something we can do to stop the problems
mike_c: magical beans didn't work for me.
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mircea_popescu: Thelamarvelous1 other than teenagers, reading is the best way to spend a night.
ThickAsThieves: mike_c i gotta step out but i imagine itll sort out shortly :/
jurov: heh namcheap..heard already that godaddy discontinued email support?
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pankkake: what kind of support is left?
asciilifeform: fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US... rent it to someone outside << lol, you think 'rule of law' is a thing in the usa
fluffypony: asciilifeform: true that
asciilifeform: fluffypony: the only remaining actual law is - 'Не верь, не бойся, не проси' ("Don't Believe, Don't Fear and Don't Ask." russian prison maxim, at least a century old)
Thelamarvelous1: This all seems like a lot to swallow for me in 1 nigbt.
fluffypony: I want to go to Russia fucking badly
asciilifeform: fluffypony: why?
pankkake: russian girls?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I find the culture fascinating - I wouldn't want to live there (hate snow), but I find the culture so different to everything else that it intrigues me
fluffypony: and I think the architecture in places is incredible
fluffypony: although I'd probably end up quoting "Fiddler on the Roof" the whole time if I went there
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asciilifeform: speaking of russia - they import derp by the boatload.
pankkake: long url is long
asciilifeform: tldr - russian pediwikia bans the mega-library lib.ru - on account of warez.
mike_c: a share of S.MG on havelock is worth 30% less than a share of smg on mpex. that is quite a discount.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's so fascinating because it's so unexpectedly absent :D
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I disagree - people have been living there for more than a few hundred years, which means they've developed not only a language, but art and architecture and even ways of thinking that differ from my own...which I think is the essence of "culture"
asciilifeform: the thing that makes this a mega-lol is that lib.ru sold out to copyrasts years ago - charges for access to a number of things, incl. books by folks who never asked for this
asciilifeform: the 'real library' has been at flibusta.net, for ages.
asciilifeform: (someone mirrored the good stuff, 'took ball and went home.')
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong - I'm a huge opera buff, and I could get lost in the architecture of the ancient Greeks, but I love being in places that are so fundamentally different to my own frame of reference
asciilifeform: (strike that. lib.ru was merely censored. it's some of the mirrors that charge)
jurov: pankkake online chat ..with 1hr waiting times reported
fluffypony: probably why I've enjoyed (some) Indian cinema so much
pankkake: jurov: I really need to move the domains I have left there :/
asciilifeform: fluffypony: if you're expecting to find the village from 'fiddler' in russia, i must disappoint you.
ozbot: BitBet - LA Clippers' Donald Sterling to take a hike
asciilifeform: they all went to gasenwagen in the war.
mike_c: "Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation."
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fluffypony: asciilifeform: I jest about Fiddler on the Roof:) I think things like the Golden Gate and all those cathedrals with the semi-spherical towers (Saint Basil's being the obvious go-to for every movie set in Russia ever) are a sight to see. also Manshikof (sp?) tower and the Chelyabinsk opera house are on the list.
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fluffypony: Menshikov, apologies
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony i was just trying to troll stan
mircea_popescu: aparently he's immune
mircea_popescu: mike_c wow, they can ban AN OWNER ?!
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does that work. he... owns it.
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, the team won't be permitted in matches so long as he is owner.
ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical of that function
ThickAsThieves: does he have some kind of code on conduct in some kind of contract with the NBA that allows any of this?
ThickAsThieves: and is it in conflict with freedom of speech?
ThickAsThieves: seems like a mess could blow up in NBA's face
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's in the us, so im sure it does.
mircea_popescu: i own a girl who recounted the story of how the school administration made all the girls lift up their skirts to prove they actually were wearing panties or not be allowed inside the hs end party
mircea_popescu: which party included no booze and was supposed to end by 20:00
mircea_popescu: this, of course, so that no unbecoming conduct etc. imagine.
ThickAsThieves: leave the flaw so we may fix them
cazalla: mircea_popescu: "the average declared weight is 180.94 kgs" and i thought i was a chubby chaser
asciilifeform: 180kg? elephants?
ThickAsThieves: lbs, it turns out
jurov: they construe it as "hate speech does not fall under freedom of speech" and/or "fredom of speech concerns only your relationship with govt, since we're not govt, we're free to punish you as we see fit"
ThickAsThieves: cuz nba has no relationship with gov?
mircea_popescu: jurov funny thing is... that's how unfreedom of speech always works lol.
mircea_popescu: if you asked them, the romanian communists were all for freedom of speech
mircea_popescu: provided, of course, it wasn't hate speech.
ThickAsThieves: i dont get why this is necessary
asciilifeform: mr. mold once described the 'diversity quota' crap as 'there must be a Party member on every elevator ride.'
ThickAsThieves: if they dont like him, leave
mircea_popescu: !up time12345
assbot: Voicing time12345 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not that they "don't like him". it's that they just got a cock and would like me to be impressed.
mircea_popescu: i am not and all the rest of youse have to suffer.
ThickAsThieves: some rapper was saying how all black people are cowards
mircea_popescu: "The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said."
ThickAsThieves: cuz all they did was flip their jerseys inside out in protest
mircea_popescu: anyway, what sport is this ? basketball ?
ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
asciilifeform: is there a single white man playing?
ThickAsThieves: like 3 or some shit
mircea_popescu: well good, i hadn't been following it for ~20 years, and now i have a good answer if anyone asks me
mircea_popescu: "o no, i won't be involved with basketball, they're nigger loving faggots"
jurov: tolerance enforcement dept.
mircea_popescu: ayup. the harder they push, the rougher it gets.
ThickAsThieves: ha i'm at kat.ph and they have another great ad
ThickAsThieves: "Life is short. have an affair."
mircea_popescu: of all the conceivable reasons to have an affair...
ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
mircea_popescu: what the hell happened to "you like the girl"
ThickAsThieves: i cheated on a girl. once.
dexX7: outcome yes, if price rises above 4000 and THEN goes sub 400?
ThickAsThieves: fukn bitbet scammorz
dexX7: stupid language ambiguousness <.<"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the solution to the megaphone madman (mentioned in your 'twitter' page) isn't laser - it's ultrasonic 'voice in head' trick.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: two beams, ~40kHz, audible payload in beat frequency.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: victim's head (or microphone) becomes heterodyne.
ThickAsThieves: interesting, never heard of this til now
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm reading too much into it
ThickAsThieves: is this just dissonance?
ThickAsThieves: they use example for Beat in tuning
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's wave composition basically
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did she ever contact you ?
ThickAsThieves: "If the proposal before us now turns out to be insufficient or if we observe anyone taking advantage of the rule, I won't hesitate to use Title II," writes Wheeler, referring to an option that would let the FCC regulate ISPs much like landline phones.
mircea_popescu: check out the wit of the scotus.
mircea_popescu: having two cellphones, now a criminal indicia.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the times of blackberry and iphone have been quickly forgotten have htey.
mircea_popescu: i suppose not having a phone at all is the mark of the terrorist, isnt it.
ThickAsThieves: then i'm in trouble
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mircea_popescu: Matt Warner @mattstate .@libertydotfees Hey jerk, Stef authored several books, produced 1000's of hrs, and is stopping child abuse. What have you done for liberty?
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @mattstate @libertydotfees I wrote a guide on how to beat women. In Romanian. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ How about you ?
mircea_popescu: that should go over well.
fluffypony: HEY JERK
fluffypony: the call of the Lesser Spotted Internet White Knight
ThickAsThieves: why do you beat them anyway?
mircea_popescu: builds character.
mircea_popescu: im not kidding. it does.
ThickAsThieves: i dont get how this all comes to be though
mircea_popescu: so ask a q.
ThickAsThieves: like you meet a girl, fuck her, she sticks around and you just start beating her one morning?
ThickAsThieves: it's honestly the only thing i cant rationalize about you
ThickAsThieves: the slaving beating stuff
benkay: some people get off on pain, ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: no dude.
ThickAsThieves: well sort me out!
mircea_popescu: jesus lol that's a weird idea.
mircea_popescu: how do you meet girls ?
mircea_popescu: a you're married. well, suppose we're playing second life, and you're not you. so
ThickAsThieves: i dont, anymore
mircea_popescu: how do you meet girls ?
ThickAsThieves: probably at the bar or via business dealings
mircea_popescu: so there's this girl you like. what do you do ?
ThickAsThieves: we chat and if it's at the bar we likely go get it on to some degree hf bases
ThickAsThieves: if work, we meet up and maybe not mess around right away
ThickAsThieves: honestly i wouldnt plan any of it
mircea_popescu: so there's no connection whatsoever other than...well... she's got a cunt and you got a plug that fits ?
ThickAsThieves: i'd do whatever made sense at the time i felt i needed to do something
ThickAsThieves: i'd need to learn about her
mircea_popescu: and her about you ?
ThickAsThieves: i assume
mircea_popescu: so then why'd it be a surprise, just one day... honey, whack!
ThickAsThieves: i was being extreme lol
ThickAsThieves: i'm just saying i dont get it
mircea_popescu: suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.
mircea_popescu: you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?
mircea_popescu: or just let her figure it out on her own
mircea_popescu: after 8 and a half hours trying to make you cum on her face.
ThickAsThieves: in my own experience if i cant it's been with women i probly shouldnt have been fucking
ThickAsThieves: oh you mean if she's bad at it in general
ThickAsThieves: sure you help
mircea_popescu: well whatever it is, you got three balls, you ejaculate tabsco sauce, it doesn't matter.
benkay: some people get off on delivering it
mircea_popescu: point being, at least among sane people, it wouldn't come as a surprise
mircea_popescu: if you'll pardon the pun.
ThickAsThieves: hmm maybe we made a silebnt leap i missed
ThickAsThieves: is the beating only sexual?
ThickAsThieves: i know this
ThickAsThieves: but i was isolating the beating
ThickAsThieves: not realizing this might be strictly sexual
mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "strictly sexual" ?
ThickAsThieves: like when you say "i wrote about how to beat women" it doesnt necessarily mean about sex-related events
ThickAsThieves: i knew i shouldnt have said strictly
mircea_popescu: no, it's sexual.
ThickAsThieves: so i get it a lil better then
mircea_popescu: just sexual probably means more than you readily represent.
mircea_popescu: making her shine your shoes and kneel while doing it is perhaps not your idea of sexual, for instance.
ThickAsThieves: not as a habit, but i could see it being sexual
ThickAsThieves: is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?
ThickAsThieves: or is that more nuanced?
mircea_popescu: so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.
mircea_popescu: there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.
mircea_popescu: and yes when i say slavery i mean a very intimate and absolutey sexual thing.
ThickAsThieves: are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?
mircea_popescu: well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.
mircea_popescu: and a decade later they can command their own regiment.
mircea_popescu: not all want to, tho.
mircea_popescu: there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
CheckDavid: Yes indeed ThickAsThieves.
ThickAsThieves: i'm surprised no one else asked about all this before
CheckDavid: Thanks mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm just dumb
CheckDavid: How many slaves do you own mircea?
mircea_popescu: it varies.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine it's a doozy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: she ever contact you << nein.
CheckDavid: Mircea. Do you have a slave auto trader?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28893898 BTC
CheckDavid: No. What's that?
mircea_popescu: thar she blows.
ThickAsThieves: such profit
CheckDavid: That's your gambling money?
mircea_popescu: good autotrader
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many days is that?
mircea_popescu: like that yea
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: having two cellphones, now a criminal << quite a few people i know have 2+. 'human' and 'work' phone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supreme court doesn't agree with you. sorry.
ThickAsThieves: i'd like ascii on the supreme court
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho
ThickAsThieves: he'd be a celeb for sure
mike_c: mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business. they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i hope he fights the shit out of them.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: supreme court << eh, i'd rather sit on a 'troika'
mircea_popescu: like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.
asciilifeform: but that's just me
mircea_popescu: let's see who runs out of money first sorta deal.
CheckDavid: "The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998
mircea_popescu: guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid wait what ?
benkay: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
benkay: afternoon, princess
benkay: afternoon, princessnell
CheckDavid: Loool
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
assbot: Voice for princessnell extended to 30 minutes.
CheckDavid: I'm kidding
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: what's the place of crypto currencies in the world?
CheckDavid: And how many do we need?
mircea_popescu: what am i, the eight ball ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one for each testicle ?
CheckDavid: No idea
CheckDavid: Felt like asking you that
asciilifeform: dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'
CheckDavid: I don't expect future forecasts
asciilifeform: nm, it was '7'
asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
ozbot: Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp
mircea_popescu: "But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didn’t exude any of the “dysfunctional Lisp-programmer” type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did….)"
mircea_popescu: people need to learn how to write ;/
mike_c: mircea_popescu: he might only have 50mn, his wife is making a grab too :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.
mircea_popescu: die poor, but fucking happy.
mircea_popescu: only hire black lawyer chicks over 180 that'll give you nookie, too.
asciilifeform: mike_c - he might discover that the 100m belong to the crown, which now owns his arse, and not to himself
asciilifeform: sport magnate 'can also have problems'
mike_c: he's likely got enough money to buy some friends in gov'ment. it will be interesting. guys like that don't traditionally go quietly.
mircea_popescu: if only these schmucks learned to stop sliding quietly into the night.
asciilifeform: tell... khodorkovsky.
mike_c: hm, actually i don't know if he inherited or is self-made. self-made rich guys don't usually go quietly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
mircea_popescu: !up princess-nell
assbot: Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: missy stop jumping nicks
asciilifeform: it's a fight of the crowned gutless vs. the moneyed gutless
mircea_popescu: so what do you know what pando daily is ?
princess-nell: it's a silicon valley gossip blog thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. it's a fucking boxing match among cowards, blergh. i demand better show.
mircea_popescu: princess-nell what do you want to do with your future ?
princess-nell: that's a good question
princess-nell: probably to get the hell out of the us for the first thing
mircea_popescu: ok. what pando daily claims and proposes it wants to be is this true news venue.
mircea_popescu: it did manage to get out some decent reporting. it seems it's sinking tho.
mircea_popescu: actually doing it sound like your thing at all ?
mircea_popescu: lol that was quick.
mircea_popescu: it's an endless pushing uphill for very little money, journalism. why'd you want it ?!
princess-nell: i enjoy writing
fluffypony: princess-nell: come to Africa!
fluffypony: that's my new siren call
fluffypony: I'm inviting everyone
mircea_popescu: a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?
princess-nell: hmm. probably not. everyone who isn't a coward has more important things to do.
mircea_popescu: that's an apt observation.
ThickAsThieves: i'm still willing to go to bitcoin2014 under any charge
ThickAsThieves: (the amsterdam conf)
princess-nell: where are you in africa?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you going to ask i forgot who i forgot what ?
fluffypony: princess-nell: South Africa
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: why
princess-nell: and you want more people to move there?
mircea_popescu: he's on irc all day long and his wife's getting bored.
fluffypony: princess-nell: it's beautiful here
ThickAsThieves: cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor
ThickAsThieves: i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: so go to amsterdam. why visit the wankatronics experts?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever picked at a scab ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm a somewhat superstitious guy with some things
asciilifeform: so that'd be it.
ThickAsThieves: i like it when things comke together
ThickAsThieves: somewhat coincidentally
ThickAsThieves: it's the coelho in me
asciilifeform: fluffypony: we u.s. folks don't need to go to africa. it'll come to us soon enough.
fluffypony: lawlz
ThickAsThieves: who is princess-nell anyway?
ThickAsThieves: got link?
asciilifeform: ^ same woman, on the 'google bus war'
ThickAsThieves: we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07538979 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: for those who missed 'bus war' -
ozbot: BREAKING: Protesters attack Google bus in West Oakland, smashing window | PandoDaily
ThickAsThieves: ah yes, she mentions the Chamber of Commerce too
ThickAsThieves: such a joke
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: sorry but the mission, the tenderloin, those place could use cleaning up
ThickAsThieves: !up princess-nell
assbot: Voice for princess-nell extended to 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: the anti-google thing was because of 'they're bidding up our prices'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07478886 = 0.2244 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: why do they stop at google?
ThickAsThieves: just blame all things down the path
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there
ThickAsThieves: inflation, landlords, the city, the state gov
princess-nell: they don't like "silicon valley" generally
ThickAsThieves: well they arent actually local right
ThickAsThieves: people that work there live there
ThickAsThieves: cuz it (was) cheaper)
asciilifeform: also looks like that city has a law permitting landlords to revoke leases in order to sell the land
ThickAsThieves: i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."
fluffypony: ok bed time, night all
princess-nell: ya, i got a kick out of it
ozbot: Whistleblower Claims Google Stole Money From Publishers Using Adsense
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: concepts… definitely concepts
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell dexX7 kinda just random blah blah, but y'know, wallet inspectors
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dexX7: ah kk
bitcoinpete: having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.
bitcoinpete: he's all "there's no place for racism"
bitcoinpete: i'm all "common people don't decide what's good and bad, shit all we can do about dude's personal affairs, racism isn't a thing, etc."
bitcoinpete: gotta crack some eggs on the kid
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 32k High: 190 Low: 190 VWAP: 190
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?
bitcoinpete: i know, i should invite him here...
mircea_popescu: some derpage about how people living off gm in a city that exists because of gm are allowed to hate gm ?
princess-nell: i for one welcome the purges
mircea_popescu: lol @ "especially coming from a woman" part. yeah, teh neckbeards are such a well spoken, brilliant lot.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: commenter had to be trollin', just had to
bitcoinpete: "Men who live in unhealthy countries find the faces of masculine women more attractive http://econ.st/1tZUwnZ pic.twitter.com/zzJx5awpPa"
mircea_popescu: there;s nothing in that graph
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
assbot: Voicing bitstein for 30 minutes.
bitstein: Thanks. Howdy.
mircea_popescu: heya. and who might you be ?
atcbot: 6k@230 60k@225 10k@220 | 128k@195 2k@170 5k@156
bitstein: Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/
mircea_popescu: %last_block
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30370 Time: 2014-04-29T23:39:10Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000001dde1c79d88b2c06a761fe14ecbed4f43d10ee1a7676790f46fa Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
bitcoinpete: heya bitstein!
mircea_popescu: bitstein aha. get in the wot.
benkay: hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?
benkay: ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Mac SE/30
ozbot: Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle
benkay: and why'd it get smoked? too hot?
cgcardona_: hi everyone
benkay: afternoon cgcardona_
cgcardona_: o/
cgcardona_: probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?
mircea_popescu: bitstein register your nick with nickserv first.
mircea_popescu: ;;google freenode register nick
gribble: FAQ - Freenode: <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml>; freenode: using the network: <http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml>; How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures): <http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode>
mircea_popescu: then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.
cgcardona_: ^^
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe? Looks like a couple capacitors popped.
cgcardona_: get thee into the wot
kakobrekla: cgcardona_ too late, sr already closed.
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ? whatcha mean?
bitcoinpete: i gotta show a place to a person… laterz!
kakobrekla: re 100bux mit
cgcardona_: no i mean 'sr already closed' whatcha mean sr?
kakobrekla: silkroad
cgcardona_: probably obvious in which case excuse me in adcance
mircea_popescu: it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.
cgcardona_: ahhh
cgcardona_: haha
BingoBoingo: Better than 1 battery 1 bulb and 1 wire
kakobrekla: you can do something with a million. you cant do shit with 100$.
kakobrekla: so they are doing something into nothing.
kakobrekla: i can do that even better prolly.
asciilifeform: on the secret 'black bitbet,' 'for BadBets Only,' let's bet that the coin will walk away before being parcelled out.
mircea_popescu: i can't believe this guy's name actually is goldstein.
mircea_popescu: a better name one could not have for bitcoin involvement.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by the time the kids retire, a 0.2 btc stash will buy them some bjs.
cgcardona_: shit it can buy them that today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doubt it tbh
cgcardona_: i figure it'll inspire a whole new group of startups for better or worse
mircea_popescu: s/better/worse
cgcardona_: *ominous ycombinator black helicoptor flies over*
kakobrekla: well fuck me if it does then
mircea_popescu: between your tits ?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2D1R2D7/plain/)
cgcardona_: between his bits
asciilifeform: ;;google chinese backyard steel
gribble: Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace>; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward>; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: <http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm>
asciilifeform: let's saw this bridge into little bits of scrap and all make plows. so what if they're... softer than the ground
asciilifeform: !up princess-nell
assbot: Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.
benkay: asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?
asciilifeform: benkay: damned if i know
asciilifeform: benkay: just sorta assuming it exists, somewhere in the aether.
BingoBoingo: If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet
jurov: just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"
jurov: ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org
ThickAsThieves: the site writing about how altcoins must die
ThickAsThieves: i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die
benkay: altcoins are great
cgcardona_: altcoins are altsome!!!
ThickAsThieves: altmazing company!
cgcardona_: I've given/taken alt that I can .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]
benkay: no seriously the kids need to play with something
BingoBoingo: jurov: I've submitted a slightly different take http://bitbet.us/propositions/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.
jurov: ohohohohooo BingoBoingo
ThickAsThieves: how does bet prove they have HIV?
ThickAsThieves: how does Magic prove he has it?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.
mircea_popescu: !up PCATLMarketing
assbot: Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
JorgePasada: Comcast needs to stop talking
JorgePasada: er, failing
JorgePasada: at talking
JorgePasada: to my modem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]
Duffer1: ;;info dexX7
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
Duffer1: ;;gpg info dexX7
benkay: ;;gpg info dexX7
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
benkay: ;;gpg info benkay
gribble: User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: hmm
pankkake: just ;;rate
dexX7: thanks <3
Duffer1: thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone
Duffer1: ;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.
Duffer1: there we go
pankkake: gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not
pankkake: and the online documentation is wrong in some places
dexX7: well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?
asciilifeform: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks << great piece. this is why two common career goals of programmers are 1) quit programming 2) find work where you program alone
ozbot: Programming Sucks
mircea_popescu: which was lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: "ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?
mircea_popescu: stalin ?
benkay: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."
benkay: jesus its my life
benkay: i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard
benkay: AND CAN'T TELL IF IT WAS A GOOD DEAL
mircea_popescu: lol pressed shitboard lives!
benkay: it's a good one
mircea_popescu: " The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.
mircea_popescu: hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.
ozbot: Me and the NSA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://stilldrinking.org/img/moi.png << and yet he looks like a schmuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!
mircea_popescu: nah, the entire assemblage collapsed
mircea_popescu: i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.
mircea_popescu: "I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig
mircea_popescu: ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."
benkay: well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?
mircea_popescu: "Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."
mircea_popescu: heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.
asciilifeform: fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.
mircea_popescu: basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com
mircea_popescu: (hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)
asciilifeform: so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group
asciilifeform: literally.
asciilifeform: as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.
mircea_popescu: well ima go count some sheep.
asciilifeform: don't overflow register.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: !up Sorcier_FXK
assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
benkay: welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?
benkay: ;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Sorcier_FXK: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Sorcier_FXK | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Sorcier_FXK | Rated since: Mon Apr 7 17:15:49 2014
benkay: davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him
decimation: ascii: http://www.ussubmarines.com/submarines/seattle_1000.php3 a Diesel-electric sub for a few $10m
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]
decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54
decimation: One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
danielpbarron: TestingUnoDosTre: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]
decimation: I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.
TestingUnoDosTre: that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea
decimation: http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.
decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI
TestingUnoDosTre: isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>
decimation: yeah, so is life
TestingUnoDosTre: great point...
decimation: Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00098463 = 13.5879 BTC [+]
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