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billymg: hey all
billymg: BingoBoingo: i took a snapshot of my blog db when piz briefly came back after the unexpected outage, and i have local copies of my patches (i see diana_coman mirrored the mp-wp patches, but i also have the mp-wp-tests patches)
billymg: it would still be nice to get a copy of some of the directories on my old rk if i'm not too late
BingoBoingo: billymg: Aite, I have your Rockchip drive. GPG me what you want
billymg: sure, one sec
BingoBoingo going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial.
lobbes: pretty lulzy re: keycard BingoBoingo. Good thing you grabbed irons indeed
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944415 << I see what you mean, and this makes sense. In that case, I must confess I have not spent my time here in carolinastan taking ownership of the place. Certainly have not made and BTC/fiat interface contacts, which I do see now as foolish.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-10 07:48:20 mp_en_viaje: ownership of a place is a thing.
lobbes: I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being.
lobbes: But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place)
billymg: BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XjKL < and the key
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:45 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.
billymg: i've been so lost in corporate world these past few years it's all i know, and vow not to make the same mistake once i jump the fence
BingoBoingo: billymg: Aite. I'll try to have these tarballed GPG'd and uploaded within the next 24 hours. Will let you know if I have any issues.
lobbes: billymg, right? Ditto, though I ought to start talking to more people regardless of where I am. Sure it is 'easier' to just not talk to people, but the easy things are easy for a reason
lobbes: in other news, my second server is finally provisioned. I'm off to resurrect auctionbot and blog!
billymg: lobbes: i don't know if this is any defense but i find when try to talk to people here i'm met with http://63.80.184.72/blog/influence.html
billymg: anything i _want_ to talk about, they absolutely _do not_ want to talk about
billymg: it's very discouraging
billymg: BingoBoingo: ty, and no rush
billymg: i'm gonna be out all next week
lobbes: billymg: oya, I encounter that as well, which is what leads to my hermit behavior I find ("meh, I don't even enjoy hanging with that guy; would rather just be alone"). But part of networking I suppose is just dealing with it and making the effort. Not like BingoBoingo had to be best buds with his bicycle guy contact, either
billymg: yeah, for sure
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944720 << the correct reasoning is to observe that since you don't intend to stay, therefore mistakes are cheap.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:35 lobbes: I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being.
lobbes: this is a golden point I hadn't considered
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:42 lobbes: But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944716 << o ya, the attempt of the roman law folk to make sense out of the world, their structure of terms of art etc, lulzy goldmine
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 20:33:35 BingoBoingo: going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 20:52:13 billymg: it's very discouraging
billymg: as in, gotta talk to 1000 to find the one human?
mp_en_viaje: yeah, say hi to 1000 to find 100 to ask how their day;s been to find 10 to ask a 2ns question to to find one...
billymg: makes sense
billymg: yeah, pretty sure at some point i did
billymg re-reads
mp_en_viaje: mkay, how discouraging is it ?
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck would it be discouraging, it's not like i went in caring about the retards
mp_en_viaje: i went in trying to figure out if i care or not.
billymg: ah yeah, i remember this one now, lots of good lulz in there
billymg: i see what you're saying, and it's not fear of rejection or anything like that, it's sadness. like when i realize that even my own family/close friends will never get it
billymg: and not just never get it, but never even want to
mp_en_viaje: why should they ?
billymg: because isn't that the point? try to figure out how the world works and get it to work for you
mp_en_viaje: ok, for you. but why should ~they~ ?
billymg: well, because some of them actually seem very intelligent, and seem like they'd be pretty good at it, if they cared
billymg: for the majority, sure, play with iphone all day
mp_en_viaje: so why don't they care then ?
billymg: comfort, i think they know what it means to care, and it means a loss of comfort
mp_en_viaje: well so why should you want intelligent people to be uncomfortable.
billymg: selfish reasons i suppose. that they might enlist and help the republic shape the world into what it should be
mp_en_viaje: moreover, why should you be discouraged at intelligent peoples' comfort.
billymg: it's not their comfort that's discouraging, it's their ranking of it above all else
mp_en_viaje: well, do you ?
billymg: rank comfort above all else for myself, personally
billymg: perhaps higher than i should, but it's never been at the top
mp_en_viaje: seems to me a lot like being discouraged in a fine pint of dark stout that some people drink budweiser. i never heard of this.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, but this is bitter" yeah "we like sweet beer ourselves" ok so have some.
billymg: aha
billymg: if that's their preference, don't waste the energy or the thought on it
billymg: find those whose preferences align with yours, more productive
billymg: or don't, continue to enjoy your dark stout regardless
mp_en_viaje: i mean, you know, it's one thing to say "dude, you're wasting your mouth with that swill, try some beer". but if they don't like it, why can't they just carry on with whatever, what diff could it possibly make.
billymg: true
mp_en_viaje: much easier to seek than to fix. digging through millions may seem discouraging, on the surfce, because it takes months.
mp_en_viaje: but fixing humans takes decades.
billymg nods
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in regional church happenings
lobbes: BingoBoingo: your link did not make it through
BingoBoingo: lobbes: You are going to have to return a more specific error.
BingoBoingo: Specifically, you are going to have to link a more specific label than "link" to you you need. Also what did the link not make it through?
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I should have entered verbose mode. I assumed your line "Meanwhile in regional church happenings" was meant to be followed by some link to regional lulz
BingoBoingo: Apparently there is still one thing Paraguay produces in a more traditional manner than Uruguay
lobbes: lol, the magic omnibus
lobbes: !Xview 1061
auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
lobbes: auctionbot lives again
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944605 <-- lol. these should be all of them for now. will have to fix the local trackbacks next, which will result in another deluge, this time on own blog.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 11:50:25 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, no, just spyked sent a buncha trackbacks
spyked: in related news, thetarpit.org will soon point to the same site as wp.thetarpit.org ; I'll temporarily disable thetarpit's feedbot feed while sorting this out, so I avoid any potential spam while at it
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:18:31 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940643 <-- I'll look into this as soon as I finish publishing the current mpwp work. though by the looks of it, the scp method works also works fine. fwiw I've been using it since 2013.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
spyked bbl, saeculum and afterwards will write this week's report.
girlattorney: Hi, would you consider colo in north brazil?
diana_coman: !!reputation girlattorney
diana_coman: girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly?
diana_coman: girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead.
girlattorney: i don't think it would be appropriate, it's a very home made facility
girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup
diana_coman: girlattorney: so have him come over, register a key, talk to people, why not
diana_coman: presumably he is trying to grow a business there or what?
diana_coman: that shared private guard is the lulz of time; how does that work?
girlattorney: there are 3 fazendas
girlattorney: everyone with cameras and barb wire, still, thugs are a real thing, so these 3 fazendas have a single guard that live there and control the zone
diana_coman: so it's compound-guard rather than private
diana_coman: is he trying to build a business or is this just his private server or what?
girlattorney: private server, depending on POV, the good or bad thing is that there is no state, bribery is the gold standard with authorities, and basically if it wants to build another facility in his area, he hasn't too much hassles with permissions
diana_coman: that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all.
diana_coman: girlattorney: best to get him register a key and come and talk really.
girlattorney: i'll try to register him, is not very good with english. two negative points: hot as fuck and logistic is quite complicated
diana_coman: well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not.
girlattorney: i'll first ask how much costs a dedi link per mbit, as i suppose you are looking for at least 100 mbit, right?
diana_coman: if on the other hand he is busy with something else, there's no need to bother, let him do whatever he is busy with.
diana_coman: girlattorney: the main thing is re interoperation with republican systems and standards
diana_coman: if he can't/won't do that, then the rest doesn't matter, there's no need to waste time
girlattorney: ok, got it, will check
diana_coman: pretty much the first hurdle is wot and invoice via deedbot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?
diana_coman: girlattorney: maybe pop over in #o for a bit
girlattorney: what's the purpose of o?
diana_coman: girlattorney: younghands.club has it in the about page really; the thing is that this is not really the best place for any & all talk.
diana_coman: girlattorney: for that matter you can see the logs of the chan too on any of the working loggers.
mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc
mp_en_viaje: Oct 11 12:41:55 <mp_en_viaje> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944785 << in the manner or of the kind of a deluge.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 22:36:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema
mp_en_viaje: Oct 11 12:45:59 * mp_en_viaje has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
mp_en_viaje: never made it in
mp_en_viaje: this is supposedly resistant, let's see how well it holds up.
mp_en_viaje: aww, holding up just fine ? but son... i r disappoint.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 04:38:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944811 << so why isn't the friend you know here ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 06:25:21 girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup
mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
mp_en_viaje: spyked, you know, still getting trilema trackbacks from your articles ; i suspect you prolly still haven't sent all.
spyked: hm... I thought the trackback sender just picks the links (when pressing "update post") and sends 'em, but it might have some timer or something. I'm doing local trackbacks as we speak and some trackbacks to my own posts arrive immediately, while some not
mp_en_viaje: the trackbacking thing prolly deserves rewriting, it proved very friable in practice.
mp_en_viaje: the only fire-sure way i know is to use the bash extractor
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << item produces a complete list of all possible trackbacks, one per line in a self-contained bash command.
mp_en_viaje: this means that simply iterating through the list will reduce the holes and in a finite number of steps have sent all.
mp_en_viaje: but i still beleive the trackback system's broken (actually -- i believe the existence of the bash proves it must be)
spyked: mp_en_viaje, I looked at that, but since I had links in the old format (e.g. /posts/y01/some-post.html), I also have to update those for local trackbacks to be accepted. then I'll use the trilema script for the second pass, altho... yeah, normally that wouldn't be necessary
spyked: I'm at least curious to determine what trackbacks it hasn't sent. or whether xmlrpc.php responded with some error message. as it is, I don't know what's happening there
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-slut-and-the-whore/ << Trilema -- The slut, and the whore.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944842 << wai lulzy? (it was responding to my !Xview command, btw. as demonstration that alive again with original data)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-11 10:55:14 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]
lobbes: anyhoot, light logs this morning. Good thing there's a trilema to read with breakfast
mp_en_viaje: spyked, would be interesting to know what it doesn't send or why, but from decade experience it leaves some behind
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, well because menawhile thing got evac'd.
lobbes: aa
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: what shall we do with the s.mg servers hw+system-wise?
diana_coman: to give an idea of what's the issue here:
diana_coman: 1. we don't actually have a running and tested + everything needed Cuntoo yet
diana_coman: 2. current production server will NOT run on cuntoo either, even if available (because still needs dynamic + CS & Cal3d that are iffy)
diana_coman: 3. for as long as CS esp is not yet *fully* excised out of the dev/test server, that might *also * need non-Cuntoo
diana_coman: 4. previously, with pizarro, BOTH servers essentially ran on very specific, alf-made hardware + system
mp_en_viaje: i tell you i don't fucking know.
diana_coman: so while I have backups of both production and test systems and code and all that, I don't really know what to aim for here exactly
mp_en_viaje: to try and separate the skeins of the problem :
mp_en_viaje: 1. it seems to me that as a matter of principle, and for all its supposed benefits touted by the so inclined, custom hardware is not a practicable course in business.
diana_coman: I suppose in the best-ideal-great path, I could say : map all dependencies and make the move to cuntoo but this is essentially taking on another mountain of work with unclear everything.
mp_en_viaje: sooner or later the proponents will discover "they're poor" or however this is called more generally, and "they were only advising" or whatever you'd phrase it, "they were just saying in principle".
mp_en_viaje: i see a very thick red line uniting my experience buying a case of very valuable and very needed items that turned out to be entirely useless and practically worthless, and my experience of not being able to actually provide eulora public service.
mp_en_viaje: alf's own "i bought symbolics gear" fits right in here, just because the crap seems, or may be made to seem, important or relevant through discourse does not make it either actually important or actually relevant.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: tbh the way I see it is that commercial enterprise may rely on "custom-made" only to the extent that it owns that production line since otherwise sooner or later it's bound to find itself stranded as far as I can tell.
mp_en_viaje: so as my current thinking goes, attemptingto run business on anything other or besides commodity hardware is ~= editing locally saved copies of websites. it works fine enough -- until you reload.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over.
mp_en_viaje: because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that you're hur
mp_en_viaje: t by buying into his idiocy, therefore he believes "nobody could accuse" his idiocy of not having any substance, and therefore (he reasons), clearly his idiocy was in fact sexy.
mp_en_viaje: if instead of doing business with a business that supposedly retained / was run by / whatever, expert craftsmen, we just hired them ourselves, we'd have been in the same exact posture. just like the man opted to not do the work of his business he'd have opted to not do the work of his employment -- arbitrarily, unreviewedly, disavowedly, and if you want ten volumes or ten shelves' worth of cover-up whine, you may be provided.
mp_en_viaje: what you WILL NOT be provided with, however, come hell or high water, is actually reliable custom solutions. they'll only appear to be working for as long as it takes you to swallow the hook, and not any longer.
mp_en_viaje: also, this luzyiness -- so my pipe occasionally saturates, which may make a freenode ping not make it through, which is ENOUGH
mp_en_viaje: dumbest design i ever heard of, freenode service can be denied notwithstanding my pipe is fucking fine.
mp_en_viaje: "as long as you don't get this one magic packet in a stream, connection's dead".
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.
mp_en_viaje: i can't bring up eulora.
asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
mp_en_viaje: as things stand right now, in point of fact as diana_coman might well point out, the ~one argument available from strict minigame pov as to why even get test server there was "save on the hassle of trying to reproduce env".
mp_en_viaje: and, as a general point, living in environments this elaborate is expensive and dangerous.
asciilifeform: yest. put in documentation for 100% of the 'evil custom env.'
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944670 .
asciilifeform: hrm wrong link
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-10 18:40:22 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit.txt
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, but I need to get precisely same hardware too, that opteron etc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u.
asciilifeform: evidently i bungled even this doc. ( what other docs that i published, apparently made 0 sense ? )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: eh, recompile kernel to fit that, at the very least, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given.
diana_coman: hm, I suppose now I'll have to test it on various amd I have around
mp_en_viaje: this is certainly worth checking to exhaustion, because, obviously (and if not obviously, stated above), pizarro's failure is not merely a business matter, but also has serious intellectual repercussions.
asciilifeform: what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.
mp_en_viaje: so, i guess 1 can lay pending for a while, see what comes of this test.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but the problem is with "specified type".
mp_en_viaje: not with the this-or-that.
mp_en_viaje: IF one buys on the principle of customization, rather than commodification, THEREFORE one also buys the downstream. and, upon examination rather than theory, the downstream shows itself more expensive than thought, and may yet show itself more expensive than humanly sustainable.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: if I got this straight, you say the "specific" here is simply "any amd" , right?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the config as given is amdistic correct.
mp_en_viaje: i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.
mp_en_viaje: i was not discussing fg specifically nor do i intend to in this context.
mp_en_viaje: now, to continue the original diana_coman q : it seems maybe we don't have to answer this in any definitive sense just yet
mp_en_viaje: so let's revisit it once more when you have an answer to the above.
diana_coman: now ofc how the fuck to "test to exhaustion" here, not like I have the full range of amd and I'm not living in a dc either, ugh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.
mp_en_viaje: your extaustion not its exhaustion.
asciilifeform: none claimed.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, that work ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am hesitating re my exhaustion because I'm not sure that is much of a measure otherwise; sure, I can and will try it at least on what I already have and if it works, there is at least that data.
mp_en_viaje: dia i don't propose you should die with that horse. give it a fair run down, and report.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944894 << until you'll be too old to move ? like it was the case of symbolics folk ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:24:30 asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why do you keep going on about the FG. Nobody said the FG were the trouble, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, this "ping" design whereby ONE PACKET stands for the connection, and if it is lost you're dc'd is so fucking dumb
mp_en_viaje: i hope it will die with irc/freenode and not be perpetuated.
mp_en_viaje: hear ye hear ye.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it was brought up and i'm answerable for it, by oath.
mp_en_viaje: so my megapipe is occasionally overwhelmed. so what. "oh, if you're receiving 2Gbps just when freenode decided to issue ping, you've a 50-50 shot at an exact equialent of latechco technology of blackholing, you have to remake the whle fucking connection" holy shit where the fuck do they crawl from
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip .
asciilifeform: doesn't even need 1mb/s
asciilifeform: *forged
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, it's a simple statistical thing, occasionally manages to spew out enough junk so that the magic freenode packet is in the left out part of the spew
mp_en_viaje: because obviously can't make 2gb fit in a 1gb slot
mp_en_viaje: everything would be absolutely fine, if not for freenode misdesign, giving a damned ping packet too much power
asciilifeform: tcp 'ftw'
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll run it, as promised on all amd around, at the very least; will at least have *something* to say after that, I guess.
mp_en_viaje: even tcp'd have been ok by itself. the "pingpacket" thing is dumb.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, aite.
mp_en_viaje: this weekend ?
diana_coman: this freenode-issue is to my eyes quite close to the isp-issue really
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll start today and hopefully it won't take *that* long (no real idea though).
mp_en_viaje: it's a broken fucking mindset keeps producing the same type of error, "oh, we blackholed it". duh. because why, because in the imaginary world they live in, the cost to that is arbitratrily and self-allotedly 0.
BingoBoingo: So after playing dumb with the keys recieved this. After the running around part of the day's tasks plan to assemble something quoting chapter and verse while at the same time requesting we both work out a way to take this mess of a contract off our books in an amicable manner without making things more expensive than necessary. In no hurry to send anything off yet.
BingoBoingo: But still no word on WTF with the keys
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944931 << i didn't sign up for pizarro service for a coupla years. i singed up for permanent, and built business around that assumption/
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:43:50 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
mp_en_viaje: now i am forced to rebuild, around new assumptions.
mp_en_viaje: and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to.
asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
asciilifeform: dun rely on 1 d00d w/ short life expectancy , like on phf. the instructions are there, and are to be used.
mp_en_viaje: eventually ima hve to rely on something.
mp_en_viaje: somewhere, down the line, eventually.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> eventually ima hve to rely on something. << In light of the current mess, probably a lot of somethings available readily in volume.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, lmao, so they don't answer re your key but whine about your contract ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sadly ; hence the opening of the discussion.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Indeed. It's like... WTF they don't expect folks to do their own manual labor and their don't expect folks to do their own reading either
mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
mp_en_viaje: neways, ima bbl
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile 34 KKKalifornia counties are going to lose power for up to 5 days in the name of safety. As the driving rain continues outside.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit << The Tar Pit -- Welcome to The Tar Pit! again.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944969 << Fired off variation of this. Changed breach to breaches.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
BingoBoingo: Likely going to end up having to fabricate boxes fot the servers requesting shipping, aside from the "phd assembly line" aspect doable.
BingoBoingo: Fellow in the local network has offered to make some introductions with respect to some potential future work oportunities in country.
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