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mp_en_viaje: keks. remember back when flying a flag meant something ? back in the days of richard cobden an' the 4 night parliament debate on the 2nd opium war ?
mp_en_viaje: nicoleci btw rereading it occurs to me, download fracture and bad times at el royale
mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
mp_en_viaje: well, guess what ? died back in 2015. as ballas SO APTLY put it,
mp_en_viaje: "You're thinking, "I don't want to hear about how everything is interpretable through the artificial paradigm of narrative structure--" as if it was me and not your god who made it this way, as if I was better able to invent a convenient fiction that happened to apply to you rather than describe a process that's been used for millennia. You think you're the first? You think no one but you has lived your life? Do you think you are so unique? Do you t
mp_en_viaje: hink I just took a guess? This isn't the first time this game has been played, there've been over 100 generations of Guess What Happens Next and it is the exact same answer every single time. All of this has happened before and it will happen again."
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell mircea_popescu remember you wanted to !!rate -10 princessnell
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: nfi how she escaped the normal fate of these, but anyways.
mp_en_viaje: "If you intend to spend your life avoiding objectification, you by that fact and necessarily will spend your life avoiding culture, wisdom, power and respect." tsk. the sad result of that re-read being a growing conviction that as trilema grows larger, the quality of my references grows weaker. i never used as a reference point in an
mp_en_viaje: y discussion ; though im pretty sure i've used other reference points in discussions where this'd have workded better.
mp_en_viaje: what the fujck will i do with this disaster, the constant problem of "fuck me, now i can't find it" is one part ; the other part's that well... even when i think i know exactly what i want, an ever growing possibility is that in fact i don't, there's a better option i'm just not thinking of.
mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
mp_en_viaje: upon meditation, i do not believe there exists throughout the history of human culture a better dataset to train "ai"/"machine learning" upon.
mp_en_viaje: for one thing, the sheer volume -- larger things can be collected, but then they'd have to be of much lower coherence, something like "the gutenberg database of english literature" ; while similarily coherent things also exist (tho i'd argue it's still a "5, 3, 7, 2 and 4 are similar to 179" sort of similarity) but then they'd have to be much, much tinier.
mp_en_viaje: but for the other, infinitely more important point -- of structure. this is natively digital, it wasn't digitized, it never existed in any other form. this shows, and not just because it links itself and it footnotes itself and structures itself deliberately in countless ways.
mp_en_viaje: similar datasets might of course be constructed deliberately ("take all research paper in x field organized by etvos number or refcount or some metric"), but then they are... wrong! you end up constructing a dataset on some kind or manner of "global warming", which makes it exactly like "vampire fiction" or any other popcultural category, an exercise in kitsch fiction, meaning your ai will not work, for f
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 17:41 asciilifeform: ( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
mp_en_viaje: undamental reasons.
mp_en_viaje: in short, i believe the ai-childrens' books are already written, just about. now if someone could just please get pregnant with an ai and deliver it to some sort of term, why... that'd be tits.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in imperial news, i was re-reading 2016 and holy hell do three years make it obvious : the empire drones have optimized computing into "computing", whith a very obvious end goal of... making up more jobs!
mp_en_viaje: by the time dood gets to it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
mp_en_viaje: or rather, it's the ~only possible future~ for the "workman" of marx and ziggler, sure as fuck the republic ain't about to give them "jobs" to "write about immigration".
diana_coman: ha, I read the logs this morning and guess what - that ref is precisely what I was looking for (to hit a young enthusiast over the head with)
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:24 mp_en_viaje: by the time dood gets to it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
mp_en_viaje: JIT stack over here at the republican forum! now all you gotta do is orchestrate it!
diana_coman: orc-estrate it
mp_en_viaje: "so what do you do about foreign relations ?" "we hestrate orcs"
diana_coman: given and the total lack of answer even on - what is the idea here with logging infrastructure ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 16:18 lobbes_field: << currently there exists no logotron web publishing glue. spyked is currently making headway on the 'cl-www kit' tho >>
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 14:19 diana_coman: ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
diana_coman: might as well use my local log and publish it on my blog ?
mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
spyked: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman: from my side, the infrastructure isn't ready, that is, the www server and possibly other pieces that I don't know about yet
spyked: granted, I never set out to publish a logger www, but given the constant need and lack, I'll add it to my list
spyked: initial item that sent me out on wwwistics was the image pastebin that mp_en_viaje suggested
diana_coman: spyked: but you have something working, namely whatever you are using for #eulora logs, right? why not publish that?
diana_coman: uhm, lobbes ^
mp_en_viaje: this situation is not fucking tenable.
mp_en_viaje: it's one thing to "not want to publish your code" ; not particularly respectable, at all, but whatever. if you do that, however, YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SERVICE. if you don't publish the code (even by the very modest yet perfectly acceptable standard of shipping an encrypted bundle to the asking lord) and you don't provide the service, then what the fuck are you doing ?
mp_en_viaje: if i have a lord on the record asking for service TWO WEEKS AGO and bupkiss, what am i supposed to do ? tell them "sorry, this is the republic we don't have fish at..." like in the old joke ?!
mp_en_viaje: irrespective of what "i am supposed to do", what i'm going to do is this : ima give everyone a ~short~ interval to bring their log stacks up to speed, meaning ~absolutely~ a complete and ready to use v-tree (even if it's just one genesis, like idiots) that they can send any asking lord -- and i don't give a flying fuck how "proud" you are of the code you're using, you're what you do not what you say, or what you imagine yourself you wish to be. that
mp_en_viaje: code you are in fact using, that is who you ARE, stop pretending.
mp_en_viaje: i guess ~optionally~ next-day service for any asking lord, in lieu of actual publishing -- which is a cop-out i will close my eyes upon for a limited time in the future. but in general, if you're not willing to share code within the l1, you have no business here at all.
mp_en_viaje: after which ima simply start banning loggers in channel ; and i'll have a very dim oppinion of everyone involved -- for very good cause! ; and i guess then have someone else make a proper logger, which will become mandatory because i'm not authorizing new ones until the old one fucks up.
mp_en_viaje: wth is this bullshit, anyway! left to own devices how about we just driftwood forever into nothingness! when i discovered a problem with mp-wp, at night in fucking minsk, i was also ~publishing~ a solution the next fucking morning, what the everloving fuck already.
spyked: re. trilema compiler, I wonder what became of hanbot's . was afaik the only attempt at indexing trilema
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:59 mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
mp_en_viaje: she got squished, iirc.
spyked: re. ai/ml, supposedly google uses that (and it also crawls, but it's useless most of the time. i recall wasting hours finding some particular piece via google, then discovering it by manually crawling or via logs
mp_en_viaje: i believe google stopped trying cca 2005-2007 or so.
mp_en_viaje: started all sorts of "side projects" ridiculousness, from hangouts or w/e to the above mentioned "gifee"
feedbot: << Trilema -- - An Army of Narcissists? No Way. Adnotated.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center ?
asciilifeform: << this is correct summary, in that no one has -- to date -- published a complete 'press and run' log sys.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:45 mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
asciilifeform asked also, to 0 result
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 23:08 asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: afaik the closest thing to a publication is ben_vulpes + trinque's item, where the irc and db backend was genesised , for some reason w/out the wwwistic frontend.
asciilifeform: why phf never genesised his, wish i knew, imho it is the most feature-complete one
asciilifeform: ( didn't mp_en_viaje have tea with phf not long ago ? did he say anyffin re subj ? )
mp_en_viaje: ok but that was the bot, iirc the view was "skeleton bot", not even logger specifically
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: trinque's piece is the logger backend.
asciilifeform: but indeed only the back side (db feeder), no www.
mp_en_viaje: i recall there was a lisp bot, and yes then it got a logger appliance. that this is therefore "the logger" rather than the bot... i suppose we're discussing nominalisms
mp_en_viaje: it ~occurs to me~ however, that some trivial glue would readily turn a db pre-populated by this logbot into mp-wp pages.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's the gain from feeding it into wp ?
mp_en_viaje: that you can now display it.
asciilifeform: as i understand, you'd suffer wp's geological-time search
mp_en_viaje: wasn't that the problem ?
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what you're talking about.
asciilifeform: e.g. why trilema has no search box ?
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje once said 'aint worth the cpu cost'
mp_en_viaje: which it aint ? i got a link into the db via cmdline, why would i implement it via web ?
mp_en_viaje: mp-wp entirely exists as "this thing that displays a database" thing. if you already have a thing that feeds a database, and miss athing that displays it, then mp=wp very well could be it.
asciilifeform: logtron gotta have phf-style search imho, to be of any use.
asciilifeform not eaten mp-wp, does not know whether it includes enableable public search function somewhere, and if so whether can be easily repurposed for by-line srch
asciilifeform: ( BingoBoingo et al -- do you know ? )
mp_en_viaje: really all you need is per-day search ; after that the... selection mechanism, lol! takes care of you
asciilifeform: it would! wouldn't it
asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right, and a logtron frontend could be sewn outta mp's wp with minimal # of stitches.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how appealing does the following sound to you : 1. run an instance of logbot, feeding the log into your mp-wp db, so that each day is publishd as a new post ; 2. have a special category for these, such as "logs" or w/e ; add a special search page, such that if one introduces a term is fed a list of days that include it, with the term preselected in the page by url.
asciilifeform: i find it odd tho, that phf et al did not genesis, wtf, phf , didja use seekrit bolix tech in there ? what's the hangup?!
asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would even make sense to publish on the thing, classroom discussion
mp_en_viaje: can obviously be selective, #ossasepia there, that here, whatevers.
diana_coman: well, not like one can't replicate then for any number of channels for that matter (different category each in the db or whatevers)
mp_en_viaje: well, diff db as the case may be. you're running the youngthing off same db ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: same db as what? the youngthing is on pizarro's shared stuff; my blog is on my rockchip so separate
mp_en_viaje: so then to publish on the bot gotta insert into that db ; to publish on your blog, other db.
diana_coman: ah, yes, certainly; I meant : if one wants several logs published on the same blog (why not, after all, not as if it can't make sense)
mp_en_viaje: of course, iirc logbot worked off postgres ?
diana_coman: myeah, this is what I was trying to look up because iirc it IS postgres
asciilifeform: iirc mp's wp can be sat on postgres
diana_coman: myeah, it is postgres
diana_coman: so uhm, basically it has to be a different mp-wp installation for logtron specifically?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, alternatively, you set up a mp-wp on postgres.
mp_en_viaje: "should" work out of box.
mp_en_viaje: ~alternatively~, you write a glue api, taking things from logbot and putting it on your blog. may sound like a bad idea in this narrow context, but perhaps having a blog universal interfacer isn't a terrible idea, seeing how maybe theres more usecases.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 19:48 diana_coman: another can of worms
diana_coman: sigh; I'll have to look at it in more detail one of those days, yes.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz : []]the walking dead], talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
mp_en_viaje: there possibly exists something in english outside of rewritting the republic, but i'll be damned if i know where to find it.
diana_coman: rewritting the appearance and carefully not mentioning anything because "it's too much to dive in"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mangled link ?
mp_en_viaje: which ?
asciilifeform: walkingdead
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz : the walking dead, talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
mp_en_viaje: yes ty, fixed above
asciilifeform: 'satellites offer the comfort of redundancy... ...lockstream isn’t launching satellites itself; it rents a small portion of the bandwidth on commercial satellites, which are mainly used for TV. The data is beamed up with enough bandwidth to ensure the blockchain stays up to date.' << pretty sure we had thread re this 'here have some inca central palace under guise of 'redundancy'' nuttery
asciilifeform: ... there & elsewhere
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 18:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements"
mp_en_viaje: even microsoft apostrophes.
feedbot: << Trilema -- - An Education. Adnotated.
BingoBoingo: << Had to tell if that is Mother Merkel or pre-transition Bibi Netanyahu
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 10:48 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center ?
mp_en_viaje: afaik it's confirmed merkel
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Figured it had to be either a Kibbutz or the German apology Kibbutzing
BingoBoingo: I know it's been talked about in chan here. The naked kids 24/7 in some effort to de-sex nudity and give them all panty fetishes like the post WWII Japs
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sidebar on your www seems to have run away to footer
asciilifeform: ( looked on both vert. and horiz. screens, same )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, possibly the sarisuit revolution!
mp_en_viaje: brb ima smallen that pic more.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, fixed ?
feedbot: << Trilema -- - An Observation About The Current Election. Adnotated.
feedbot: << Qntra -- FSB Contractor Reportedly Breached, Alleged List Of Projects Circulating
asciilifeform: догоним и перегоним америку (tm)(r)
feedbot: << Trilema -- Wayne's World
feedbot: << Trilema -- - Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats. Adnotated.
lobbesbot: !!up lobbes_field
deedbot: lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
lobbes_field: << ack. I will make it a priority publish my #eulora logotron coad. Though please note: that thing was something I hacked together back in 2015, before I even 'knew' unix/python etc. (It is ugly)
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:56 diana_coman: uhm, lobbes ^
lobbes_field: In other words, I intend to replace the entire #eulora logotron with the python/php logotron 'glue' I intend to write:
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 16:19 lobbes_field: Relatedly, I'm thinking that once I produce the mod_lisp vpatch, I may just leave the rest of the cl-www project to spyked, while I instead work on a 'python/php www kit.
lobbes_field: And seeing as how there is an ever mounting need for logotronics these days, I'm going to bump those items up to #1 on my list.
lobbes_field: Of course, I'm still sorting out my homebase issues alluded to in:
lobbes_field: For context, I've had a dysfunctional (as in, the buck never stops) relationship with this girl for ~8 yrs. It is a major obstacle to my simply being able to think. I.e. my private and public spheres are not aligned... at all.
lobbes_field: It is my fault for simply being born with head cockroaches and failing to communicate at various levels (that trope again). Still, it has to be addressed. But you know how these things go; it takes time and attention to properly address
lobbes_field: I may fall out of the L1 while addressing, but one thing is sure: I will absolutely fall out of the L1 if I don't. Hallucinated choice is no choice. But for now, the $saltimes call. Bbl
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
Mocky: lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
lobbesbot: Mocky: Sent 6 hours and 47 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo>
Mocky: for you and get you a fresh start
feedbot: << Trilema -- - Another Final Word On Cho's Mental Illness. Adnotated.
mp_en_viaje: lol that's a thought.
asciilifeform: relatedly, not long ago some d00d rolled a cart fulla jerry cans into a cartoon studio in jp and burned whole thing down. shouted 'die, plagiarists'
asciilifeform: reportedly, 'not arrested, because was registered nutter' (possible mistransl.?)
asciilifeform: 34+ dead chix.
mp_en_viaje: did they plagiarize anything
asciilifeform: seems not-impossible
asciilifeform: i think they made flicks for little gurls
mp_en_viaje: is that a bad thing ?
asciilifeform: sorta like ye old 'pravda', they gotta give Official Party Line, can't simply shuddup
mp_en_viaje: !!up shrysr
deedbot: shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: diana_coman's student, lives in #ossasepia
mp_en_viaje: i got a trackback, first thoguht wtf is this spam (cuz you know, weird literal strings), then "holy shit wut is that url structure". had a 0.3 seconds of mental chaos.
asciilifeform: very cautious an' pessimistic indian fella. used to design hydraulic pumps etc. 'Must look into asciilifeform‘s implementation of (V versioning system) and formulate a plan of action. At first look, I have absolutely not an inkling of what is going on, and I am worried it will take a lifetime to do this'
mp_en_viaje: notbad.
mp_en_viaje is now setting aside reading bimbo's blog for whic hhe had set aside reading tlp bundle to read indian fella.
mp_en_viaje: hopefully these stop closing before i drown!
mp_en_viaje: "13. Improved happiness and content levels by increased engagement with brilliant people ?" << adorbs.
mp_en_viaje: hey shrysr what's it like where you live ?
asciilifeform: iirc he ended up in reich somewhere
mp_en_viaje: sounds a little... how shall we put this. oppressed.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: heyy.. thanks for the 'voice'... though i'm not really sure right now what that means.
mp_en_viaje: just means you can talk here.
shrysr: :D
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: whats it like.... hmm.... i usually say that I am ok anywhere with reasonable internet and of course a computer. For most other outsiders- its probably close to unbearable
shrysr: asciilifeform: :D pessimistic ! lol.
mp_en_viaje: so where is it ? what do you do ?
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: that link is because of my export from emacs org-mode to markdown, which was then copied into WP
shrysr: i will setup direct publishing... and it shd be much better then. i live in a town called sundre, in Alberta. about an hour from the city calgary which I;'ve never been to
mp_en_viaje: why not ?
shrysr: I'm a mechanical engg, by education (masters). My first 'love' was computational fluid dynamics (CFD), which is essentially simulating fluid flow on (usually) distributed computing clusters. i was into simulation driven design. Total work exp around 6 years. Spent the first 3 with a pump company in R&D doing CFD and hydraulic design.... it wasnt enough. Shifted out to 'applications engg' or technical sales
shrysr: with a combustion equipment mftr for 2 years...wasn't enough... migrated to canada. Spent a year desperately 'looking for a job'. Decided to start prep to switch into data science at this point....
shrysr: got current job Aug 2018. Another combustion equipment mftr... as an Engg. Currently 'digitising' manual workflows...implementing an ERP system called erpnext.
mp_en_viaje: !!up shrysr
deedbot: shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: erp can be fun.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: hmm... by the time I got a job... All i wanted to do was work. I guess it was always a bit like that. Init was difficult... getting a car license etc... i dont know. I guess i never felt like it.
mp_en_viaje: but aren't you curious to see places ? check out the calgary sluts maybe
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: i am. but not enough i guess.
mp_en_viaje: makes sense.
shrysr: i was curious to know how you guys got together ?
mp_en_viaje: over many years, actually.
shrysr: every geek here a software engg ?
mp_en_viaje: most, at any rate.
mp_en_viaje: if you look at people's histories (eg, ) you generall run into an introduction. like with you.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 17:28 Mocky: for a living, well i wasn't good enough to sling dope, so i became a java programmer
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Ty, will check in the morning
feedbot: << Trilema -- - Another Honor Killing That Isn't About Honor, And Even Less About Nietzsche. Adnotated.
feedbot: << Loper OS -- M Genesis.
asciilifeform: !#later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in , ty.
asciilifeform: #!later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in , ty.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in , ty.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: apologies for log clutter.
asciilifeform 's regularly scheduled conveyor will resume shortly.
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