asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: europistan's deepest nature preserve, neh. 1000 y.o. trees, bison who died errywhere else 400y ago; why not also komsomol then ?
diana_coman: in lol-from-1990: "although cost-conscious buyers may scoff at color monitors, we believe that anything that encourages people to use computers is important!" (Foley et al, ref graphics book)
mp_en_viaje: keks
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, bison still in poland, that vodka i mentioned is made somehow from some fields where bison roams, as per tradition.
mp_en_viaje: and romania.for that matter, hanbot got to pet a baby bison years ago.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the funny part was that the damn thing sounds JUST EXACTLY how a mp-run minsk-bdsm authority would go. "forward quality youth!" etc.
mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PPJG0/?raw=true << approx translation, for the innocent. well, not exaclty innocent, just cyrillicless.
mp_en_viaje: for the cynically cyrillicless.
diana_coman: lol
diana_coman: and all the lenins are probably still there, where I saw them in 2010 for that matter aka http://ossasepia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lenin-copy.jpg
mp_en_viaje: certainly, i went by a large big lenin. driver was kinda proud of it, too.
diana_coman: we had somewhere this sort of game "spot&count the lenins in the town" lolz
diana_coman: other than that, the countryside was precisely Baragan-style (including the locals-staring-at-this-weird-unknown-woman)
mp_en_viaje: really ? seems mostly forest around.
diana_coman: at least where I went deeper it was the sort of forest along the water that you get e.g. along ialomita
mp_en_viaje: hm.
diana_coman: so yes "forest" but not mountain style
diana_coman: and it is rather flat overall, what mountains
diana_coman: then again, it *was* an agricultural area where I went, yes
mp_en_viaje: well, there's certainly a very sad vibe of "bdsm, you mean that escort service" and other such "we're still in the 80s over here" mentality issues. heck, they even had a dubious cover band at restaurant last night, did "imagine" and then "friends will be friends" and etc, phonetically.
mp_en_viaje: they're still mentally digesting john lennon, what go nude in the streets.
diana_coman: that's the thing, I went there in 2010 and I was like...whoa, here's 80s all over again, ugh
mp_en_viaje: today's independence day, too.
diana_coman: parade?
diana_coman: possibly since 2010 so much changed that they are ...still in the 80s.
mp_en_viaje: i expect.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : http://archive.is/kTuR7
mp_en_viaje: no alternatives in minsk.
diana_coman: lol, probably accurate
diana_coman: I have just finished my cuntoo-to-be box, ha.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921412 << afaik it's world's biggest remaining reservation of brass lenins.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-03 09:36 mp_en_viaje: certainly, i went by a large big lenin. driver was kinda proud of it, too.
asciilifeform atm buried under pile of for-food scutwork; started however to write new battle plan, a la spyked et al
billymg: mp_en_viaje: i'm speaking to a realtor in cr soon about some listings, i was hoping to get your thoughts on one of the listings as well as general feedback/guidance on my strategy. i've included some details about my current situation to provide more context. if you could find the time to review please and give advice it would be immensely helpful: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eC3ir/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: billymg: Are you looking to at listings to rent or to buy?
billymg: BingoBoingo: to buy, as that seems like the easiest way to get money out of the reich without raising eyebrows
BingoBoingo: Could get a lawyer to draft up a letter swearing your suitcase of benjis is for your epic casino vacation instead? Seems like renting would be smarter while figuring out what to look for inspecting the local buildings.
billymg: that's true, and i might be overthinking it. perhaps opening a bank account in cr and wiring everything over is really not a big deal. but then i'd worry that would make it easier for someone to hit the "undo" button on the transfer
billymg: unless step to is withdraw to suitcase full of benjies. but then if stashed in a rental, easier for someone to walk up to landlord and say "we need to look inside"
BingoBoingo: Well, Bitcoin's also a thing.
billymg: i have coin as well, and for that the same fear. if not surrounded by some acres then easier to get to
BingoBoingo: Well, cattle rustling is still a thing in Uruguay. Usually takes the form of 5-12 men rolling into a field and butchering the cow in place.
BingoBoingo: There's no magic that'll take all the possible dangers away
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/ << Ossa Sepia -- Growing Young Hands
billymg: and i'm in the situation of having more spare fiat than i expected to, by way of winning startup tech co stock option lottery. so dumping some of that into property outside the reich, even if not A+ investment, is not something i would stress about
billymg: and for bitcoin, not sure where to even buy large amounts these days
asciilifeform: billymg: depending on what means 'large amount' -- pizarro could easily suffice
billymg: asciilifeform: the monthly auctions?
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo to put the auctions up a bit after 0:00 UTC
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917856 << means 0.39 sold in the last auction?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-10 10:37 jurov: !!invoice BingoBoingo 0.39 auction #1049: 2835 WFF sent
billymg: in that case, off by a bit for the fiat needing to be absorbed
billymg: is it that real estate is necessarily always a bad investment, even for someone already comfortable with the amount of coin they have on hand?
billymg: also, i hear buying > $x worth of property in some places gets you on fast track to residency/citizenship. although perhaps parking in local bank account has the same effect
asciilifeform: billymg: (ianal but) not aware of any country where 'just park' worx. normally they want you to buy lands.
asciilifeform: e.g. in europistan, last i saw 800k usd worth of buy-in gets you passport ( why would want -- separate q )
asciilifeform: billymg: re heavy industrial amts of coin -- the only afaik fella here who could even theoretically help, is mp_en_viaje , ask him when he wakes up, it is possible that this is the year he's buying a soviet sub or sumsuch
asciilifeform: it is unlikely, but worth to ask imho.
asciilifeform: billymg: prolly you already know that in (afaik) erry country colonized by reich, if you walk in to open bank acct in yer human name, and they ask for passport and you pull out usa passport, they will either refuse entirely or make for you an acct that is immediately reported to usg tax ministry for express pillage
billymg: yes, aware of this
asciilifeform: there are various known solutions to this, but none (unsurprisingly) 'official'. mp_en_viaje discussed variously in the logs, how it is done.
billymg: i was viewing real estate "investment" as one of them
billymg: more difficult to pillage than numbers on a screen
billymg was very depressed when he learned ~2-3 years ago that "his" money was not in fact his at all
billymg: re: converting all remaining fiat to coin: if i were asciilifeform or similar and had bulletproof keys then i perhaps would not mind having 99.9% of net worth in coin. but since i am not, i feel some amount of hedging against my own fallibility is prudent
asciilifeform: waiwat -- what is 'bulletproof key' ??
diana_coman: billymg: perhaps worth asking jurov too re btc
asciilifeform: and how the hell could one 'hedge against own fallibility'
asciilifeform: it's a square circle, billymg , either sumthing is yours or it aint. if it's yours, you could lose, or forget where you put, where do you suppose 'buried treasure' comes from for archaeologists to find.
billymg: asciilifeform: yes, so if i accidentally my keys, nice to at least have roof over my head still, or some benjies in a suitcase, is all i'm saying
asciilifeform: billymg: the slightly trickier puzzler is to retain the keys even if abruptly parted from the roof and the suitcase. but this, too, discussed in prev. thrds.
billymg: diana_coman: ty, will keep in mind
billymg: asciilifeform: aha, makes sense
BingoBoingo: billymg: The thing about buying real estate is that it immediately incurs costs to maintain and defend the property. If the place has been sitting empty there can already be a deficit.
BingoBoingo: As far as residency and how to get non-US ID goes, that varies from place to place.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/yesterday-cloudflare-today-facebook-web-bigs-having-trouble-staying-up/ << Qntra -- Yesterday CloudFlare, Today Facebook! Web Bigs Having Trouble Staying Up
BingoBoingo: Apparently 2017's Chileños moved on from Uruguay to Germany https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Alemania-es-incapaz-de-frenar-robos-de-cajeros-automaticos-uc723158
BingoBoingo: Also in local news, "What is nightlife and why should anything happen after midnight?" https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ley-que-regula-consumo-y-venta-de-alcohol-lo-que-se-puede-y-lo-que-no--201973151312
mp_en_viaje: sooo... i might be the only person in the world to be hit on by their 19yo ~stewardess~, but it fucking happened. as i'm sitting in line to get a local phone sim, this bubbly chick is all "oh, i flew you yesterday, remember me ???"
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, uruguay sounds like it's embracing turning into an utter shithole, huh.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Well, it seems like the last gasp of the current OldWoman regime
mp_en_viaje: fucking ridiculous. give free shots on campus, wtf. the problem of latinos is insufficient market access of young cunt.
mp_en_viaje: get everyone marketed much more important than retarded hangups about "what hours things happen". the principal problem of latino teenagers is that they don't have access to a market where to sell their cunt, end up wasting it and therefore their life.
mp_en_viaje: whether one eats lunch at 2pm or 9pm or 3 am or w/e much the shit less important, not to mention batshit insane arbitrary preoccupation.
BingoBoingo: Seriously too many pretty girls on the trash details that should be doing anything else
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921455 << nothing wrong with owning some real estate, in principle.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-03 17:19 billymg: is it that real estate is necessarily always a bad investment, even for someone already comfortable with the amount of coin they have on hand?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921468 << he;s afraid he'll fuck something up end up without the coin. not an irresponsible pov, esp seeing how no tmsr os, no reasl tmsr bitcoind etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-03 17:53 asciilifeform: waiwat -- what is 'bulletproof key' ??
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aha, but apparently thought asciilifeform had one hidden in back pocket somewhere ??
a111: Logged on 2019-07-03 17:48 billymg: re: converting all remaining fiat to coin: if i were asciilifeform or similar and had bulletproof keys then i perhaps would not mind having 99.9% of net worth in coin. but since i am not, i feel some amount of hedging against my own fallibility is prudent
mp_en_viaje: he just thinks you're in a much better position to evaluate the risks.
asciilifeform: ( as amply documented by mp_en_viaje ) being 'in better position to evaluate $risk' is often ~bad thing~
mp_en_viaje: yeswell.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, there's worse fates than owning a bit of land here and there.
mp_en_viaje: such as, for isntance, not owning it.
asciilifeform: sorta why in '41 they gave out 'наркомовские 100 грамм' of vodka at the front. so cannon fodder can put brakes on 'evaluate the risk' and die for motherland properly.
mp_en_viaje: o btw, got some shots of minks air parade today.
mp_en_viaje: the antique shit these people got flying...
asciilifeform: speaking of which, trump promised a -- first ever in washingtonistan -- tank an' plane parade tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: does he call it off "for fear of life loss" when he discovers no tanks that actually still run left ?
asciilifeform: i'ma find out shortly
mp_en_viaje: indeed.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the jets dumping flares was very popular with locals.
mp_en_viaje: " This being said, there is as always plenty of space for doing better at this, certainly, especially since I know very well how much worse it was before I specifically set about to make it better, step by step" << diana_coman on the everquest
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien
auctionbot: Buy order # 1050 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (119 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only
auctionbot: Buy order # 1051 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (119 hours)
billymg: mp_en_viaje: thank you for the response. it's given me some more to think about
billymg: re: timing, i'm worried that the next bitcoin spike, which feels due soon, will again create a climate of jealousy/resentment in the population towards anyone with btc
mp_en_viaje: dude, the general population. who gives a flying fuck about the general population ?
billymg: only that it provides politicians pretense to do what they want to do anyway, take
billymg imagines some politician someday rolling out 90% "bitcoin tax" for purposes of "fairness"
mp_en_viaje: the general population in minsk is stuck saving all week on their miserly $100/week salary to take girlfriend out on independence day, only to get kicked out of the booth because there's some people there doing bottles. the general population sits morosely at the bar while their gf watches my whores mouth agape for half an hour only to eventually work up the gumption to come over and complain about ~the noise~. in a fucking bar. so i tell them to ge
mp_en_viaje: t lost and they... do. because what the fuck are they gonna do.
mp_en_viaje: billymg, and ?
mp_en_viaje: the only real danger is, your brain rotting into the sad shape where you'd actually pay ; or think such a thing as paying is conceivable.
mp_en_viaje: payin bitcoin "taxes" because fiatards told you to requires exactly the same mental processes as "buying" brooklyn bridge because street urchins told you to ; or not eating lobster because teacup-in-the-sky told you to.
mp_en_viaje: religious furies.
billymg: well, not just because told you to, but rather, show up at house, ask a bit more firmly
billymg: that's why somewhere further away, politically and geographically. otherwise could just as well get land in rural texas if plan is to simply respond "no"
mp_en_viaje: ask what the fuck ?
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844050 << this thread is what i'm thinking of
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:58 asciilifeform: it is possible to be shivved by street robber in sao paolo, or gnawed by bear in kamchatka, etc. but robber and bear do not grep yer packetz for 'might have btc' etc
mp_en_viaje: yours is a bizarre conception of the world. http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/ is not locale-bound.
mp_en_viaje: you could, similarily, be gnawed to death by rats. this is paranoia, plain and simple ; if it fixes on "other people" you move to rural texas (or w/e, rural ok, as the dpb case may be). if it fixes on "packets" you move to whatever, cabin in woods like the unabomber guy. if it fixes on corn you move to sugarcane country... but seriously now, paranoid delusion shouldn't be the driver of man's activity.
mp_en_viaje: sooner or later you will have to say no, whatever you are, whatever you do and wherever you do it ; moreover the problem with living among idiots is that you become one, not that they "get smart to you".