feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-account-of-books-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715. - Account of Books - II.
asciilifeform: in other olds, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/tinycc-devel/2005-09/msg00054.html << report re how gcc built with tcc ( spoiler : ancient gcc, and still required some patching )
bvt: hi, asciilifeform: did you see this https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/ ?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: loox potentially interesting tho. bvt didja try it ?
bvt: not yet, but can give it a shot sometime next week
asciilifeform: i admit, will be surprised if it actually does what's printed on the box, and still i never heard of it
asciilifeform: but won't complain, pleasant surprises are few in life
asciilifeform: https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/manual/mes.html << subj docs, for the l0gz
bvt: it seems to be quite a new item, iirc less than a year old. i'd expect it does not support arm. can't say anything about bugs without trying out.
asciilifeform: ok this didn't take long... claims to 'bootstrap from 500 byte assembler', in opening page, but then : 'GNU Guile, version 2.0.13 or later, including 2.2.x; GNU Make. NYACC, 0.86.0 is known to work. GCC’s gcc, version 2.95.3 or later.'
asciilifeform: ( sect. 2.1 in linked doc )
asciilifeform: bvt: imho still worth a test-fire, i'm curious if even given the stated conditions the thing runs
asciilifeform: other interesting claims, in https://bootstrappable.org/projects.html we find that 'The C and C++ compilers of the GNU Compiler Collection make up the foundation of many free software distributions. Current versions of GCC are written in C++, which means that a C++ compiler is needed to build it from source. GCC 4.7 was the last version of the collection that could be built with a plain C compiler'
asciilifeform: ^ is this troo ? cuz if yes, possibly we're on the 'wrong' gnat..
bvt: i have seen reports of this, but never verified myself. my understanding is that there is a slow c++zation of gcc: i backported one gcc patch for my home system from 6 to 4.9, this involved removing c++ chunks.
asciilifeform: bvt: q is whether there is cppism in the 4.9.
asciilifeform: if there is, it must go.
bvt: but version 4.9 looked healthy (i.e. plain c, did not see any cpp code there). i had a look at a single file, though, so this is no guarantee.
asciilifeform: linked pg claims '4.7 last'. hence q.
bvt: i have also seen a one guy at suckless complaining about this back in the day: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/1605/28871.html
asciilifeform: a quick look at the ave1gnat src reveals ~2dozen .cpp , but they all look to be part of the cpp test suite
asciilifeform: so entirely possible that the '4.7' thing is disinfo
asciilifeform: lotsa .cc ( also cpp ) , but not clear that they're part of gcc proper, rather than cpp standard lib. will require a proper walk (or , alternatively, to rebuild the thing with flags banning cppism and see if barfs )
asciilifeform: via bvt's link : '...versions of GCC prior to 4.8 also allow bootstrapping with a ISO C89 compiler and versions of GCC prior to 3.4 also allow bootstrapping with a traditional (K&R) C compiler...'
asciilifeform: based on looking at the src, ^ appears to be troo re ave1's, and the claim on bootstrappable.org -- disinfo
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asciilifeform: in entirely other olds, https://repo.or.cz/tinycc.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/arm64-gen.c << current (?) arm64 backend of tcc. ( nfi whether worx -- but pretty compact , as these go. )
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