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feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/arenal/ << Bimbo.Club -- Arenal.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889396 <-- there is a !1list command (no extra args) that lists subscriptions for the user who PMs it. however, it doesn't work in chan and I didn't document it due to its spamminess. feedbot will reply with one rss feed per line, not sure if it would be more appropriate to list rss feeds in a paste or something. curious to hear opinions re this
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 20:11 mircea_popescu: spyked is there a way for one to list what rss he's subscribed with feedbot ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889514 <-- IIRC googlazon already had these?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 23:18 asciilifeform: can't wait for the logical end of this, when they cut e.g. the screen ( 'why do you need a screen, terrorist. talk to the box with mouth..' ) and eventually will ship a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 i expect.
billymg: !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9Su07/?raw=true
billymg: !!v 84FA1FA87D30797902FD6E826F91277AAE579669D1AC76944774AD82654A4E21
deedbot: billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
Mocky: BingoBoingo can you set me up with mp-wp in my wwwhabeeb directory on uy1 for mockyhabeeb.com? I want to see what migrating my blog will involve.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Will do
BingoBoingo: In other news one of several competing "Presidents" of Venezuela (Think Iraq's Chalabi) is going to be holding a rally across from the Tres Cruses Shopping and National Bus Terminal here in Uruguay
mircea_popescu: spyked a ty
mircea_popescu: you can document it,
mircea_popescu: Usage: !1 list lists subscriptions [works in PM only]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo going ? keks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thinking on it, but unlike yesterday, there's a growing pile of material to be Qntra'd today.
mircea_popescu: a
BingoBoingo has seen other less acute USG.BLUE productions here
mircea_popescu: they're so lulzy, with their little dress-up cons.
mircea_popescu: usg.cosplay ~= usg.*
BingoBoingo expects something like http://bingology.net/2018/12/17/the-expocannabis-an-executive-report/ minus the vendor booths and condensed into an hour or so
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the lulzfarm,
mircea_popescu: MRExtreme 52M Dom "Hi LordMP, I will be travelling to Costa Rica with my slave. Do you have any (kinky) tips ? Have a nice day MRExtreme" LordMPofTMSR "You can start with the customary six months of log reading ; other than that specific channel I have nothing to say to uppity plebs."
BingoBoingo: But I'll get the updates. Dude's apparently not even setting his pulpit up in the Pope's designated spot in Tres Cruces
mircea_popescu: universalism is not an xtian sect!!!1
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz : trilema gets referral spam from "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net" ; the unpacking is : https://zcodesystem.com/affiliates.html (some "betting" scam) is being pushed via clickbank (principal affiliate clearhinghouse) by some guy whose code is esif22. the idea is that if (naive) webmaster clicks (or publishes his referrer list for others to click) the clickbank item will count a click "sent by" this esif22
mircea_popescu: dood whoever he is.
mircea_popescu: so the dood's businessplan is, 1. get a list of websites ; 2. while $list do curl -e "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net"; done.
mircea_popescu: first fucking thing on the scam's landing page being "* Note: The base commission is set to 50% to reduce affiliate fraud from newbie affiliates. After 90 days and 10 sales you can request to be moved to 60% commission tier."
mircea_popescu: beeecause... well... esif22 isn't the first http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623 in the history ~of this particular scam~. nor the 100th.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/syria-demands-un-action-against-israeli-attacks-to-avert-retaliation-against-tel-aviv-airport/ << Qntra -- Syria Demands UN Action Against Israeli Attacks To Avert Retaliation Against Tel Aviv Airport
mircea_popescu: now that should be lulzy.
mircea_popescu: israel getting sanctioned should provide 6mo+ of dnc destructuring "journalism" wank back at home.
mircea_popescu: "hey, nancy pelosi, io for or against israel ?" "ummm... it's complicated"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " their right of self defense by according to the "
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in yet other lulz : https://issuu.com/craps/docs/fa2014 ( A Family Affair : Bull & Female Sale )
mircea_popescu: and in YET OTHER obscure lulz (that i suspect only hanbot is equipped to appreciate), http://visurat.ro/
hanbot: ^ smells better already
mircea_popescu: keks.
hanbot: anyway, easy enough to explain, lol. here http://archive.is/Lrl69#selection-613.0-617.55
asciilifeform: oh hm is this that 'moartea ca o veste buna' d00d ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot haha, goes nicely with ye olde http://trilema.com/2010/spatiu-personal/ dork.
mircea_popescu: gallery!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, some bum/dockworker "being a blogger" back in ye olde days before trilema.
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: good enough in open spaces, but intolerable indoors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did he write about ?
asciilifeform: (i.e. why memorable ? )
mircea_popescu: memorable because he came to trilema conference before #trilema/tmsr/bitcoin even, and impressed the girls with his "manly" odours.
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: you realise, there were eg http://trilema.com/2009/nsfw-meet-trilema-editia-ii/
mircea_popescu: in 2009.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell Mocky http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
Mocky: BingoBoingo: got it, thx
lobbesbot: Mocky: Sent 4 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Let me know you you have any questions or would like any assistance
Mocky: will do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile found it : http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/ (notable for saying "yesterday at [film festival] i saw two films. one was "the happiest girl in the world" and i found myself in there. i laughed, i felt a bitter taste in the mouth, and i realised i might end up like that", and then FAILING to make the connection with http://trilema.com/2017/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu/#footnote_17
mircea_popescu: _75674 when mocked for it.)
mircea_popescu: just, you know, illiterate simpletons in no sense romanian, because you can't be romanian without ready access to cultural reference, the entire nation exists of naught else.
mircea_popescu: there was a whole bunch of these, incidentally, http://trilema.com/2010/extemporal-la-venerologie/ tells the story of some other rando "blogger" (they seriously went about pompously http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/#selection-67.167-67.602 -ing all over the place ) who failed to make the distinction between contraception and venereal disease prevention, and then "got upset" when mocked for it.
mircea_popescu: "getting upset" is this specific behaviour, a la : http://trilema.com/2009/krossfire-sau-vlad-stoiculescu/#comment-127467 (practically a sort of sand-meet-head, i guess).
BingoBoingo: In clarifications, the Tres Cruces rally is to support other president, other Vzla president is in Caracas doing color revolution
mircea_popescu: how many of these are there ?
BingoBoingo: Apparently Trump's cabinet has picked one
BingoBoingo: Se llama Guaidó
BingoBoingo: I'm seeing photos of freeways full of people in Caracas, but it is hard to tell how many kilos of dry noodles they are getting for showing up
mircea_popescu: well, either it turns lulzy or fizzly.
BingoBoingo: Either way, those noodles came from somewhere
mircea_popescu: china, lol.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: And in old stories, http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/#comment-123318
mircea_popescu: "TOR is a software that with a utter enormous vivid concealed allows you to latibulize from prying eyes the exemplary shooting go together you do and did on the Internet." ?!
mircea_popescu: lol, what is hidden internet. congrats to the orcs!
BingoBoingo: I promise, all I did was kill the links. Yes its spam, but lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i can see that word making a republican career. "buncha latibulizers!!!"
BingoBoingo: Indeed
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-color-revolution-goes-live-in-venezuela/ << Qntra -- USG Color Revolution Goes Live In Venezuela
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the recent history of Vzla is informative with respect to the US's future, competing with Argentina. As recently as the 1990's Vzla was a rich Germany. Chavez cut it down into a starving Ukraine. Maduro heard the people asking for more socialism and is giving them exactly what they want. Now USG is set to make a Somalia.
asciilifeform reads 'vzla' , immediately thinks 'vuvuzela'
mircea_popescu: seems about right
BingoBoingo: Anyways middle class housing in uruguay means maybe a garage. In Vzla middle class housing means a six car garage. The country gets poorer, but can't eat garage.
BingoBoingo: 80s-90s Vzla had the money to build what they saw n the VHS tapes
mircea_popescu: qatar smoking nervously in a corner.
mircea_popescu: this is their exact future, decade or two down the road, now that they've blown their chance.
asciilifeform: how does 'poor with petro' work anyway
mircea_popescu: like so : impudent while it flows and confused when it stops.
asciilifeform: aah
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Surprisingly quickly. Not all Petro is equal as Vzla shows
BingoBoingo: Every petrol has a skillset it needs to be brought to market.
BingoBoingo: Chavez and Canadian oil sands took Vzla's skill reservoir
BingoBoingo: But, now Canada loses money on the oil sand anyway
asciilifeform: ye olde 'petrostans are macroscale version of bankrupt lottery winner derp' hypothesis
asciilifeform: seems to fit.
mircea_popescu: rather.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, CNN is hearing "Sí, se puede" in chants and translating it to "Yes we can". I am hearing "Si se puede" more of an "if he can..."
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: right, si is ambiguously yes and if, therefore "if it's permissible" is perfectly valid translation.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, conjugation! Sí nos podemos, no fucking WE in that chant
mircea_popescu: poor usg.blue with its inept http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767545 "experts"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 17:18 mircea_popescu: but what do i know, i dun have fifty +1/+1 green beret cultural experts on the ground to write me briefs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you have any fucking idea what the context was for http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-11#790980 anymore ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-11 22:59 BingoBoingo: godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/
BingoBoingo: I'll have to dig
BingoBoingo going to be digging anyways because the CNN "yes we can"-ism is begging for a blog post
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo honestly i'd expect the least ambiguous rendering of "yes we can" would be "si que podemos!"
mircea_popescu: no explicit we either, but at least puts all the accents in the intended places, it's just how you communicate the notion in spanish.
BingoBoingo: TBF, when Obama got stood up in the "Yes, we can" meme in English, I doubt anyone meant "yes we can" to actually that instead of "Yes he can", but English has been broken for a while
mircea_popescu: i thought it was more a case of "yes we can [push affirmative action victim from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 sadness to presidency]"
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
mircea_popescu: that poor guy, incidentally. first they told him he can be university professor! and he believed. and, unending misery, can barely read, yet has to "teach" constitutional law.
mircea_popescu: then they told him he can be president! and he believed. and... unending http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/ misery, cockpuppet for every passing putin.
mircea_popescu: stupidity characteristically doesn't learn from others' personal history -- but if there ever was an example of why the bootblack ~does NOT~ want to raise above his crepidam...
BingoBoingo: So it appears
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news apparently they don't want people using the doors to congress as an improvised soccer goal anymore https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-que-cosas-ya-no-se-pueden-hacer-alrededor-del-palacio-legislativo-segun-una-nueva-resolucion--2019123142549
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/01/the-roadblock/ << The Whet -- The Roadblock
BingoBoingo: Is that Chimichurri Raptorson in the Trilema header today?
Mocky: being chucked into the air?
BingoBoingo: Looks more like learning to fly by being made to fly.
hanbot: duck chucking's a pleasant pastime, and does seem to encourage interest in flight!
BingoBoingo: Well the kid has to learn sometime
hanbot: you know?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in thread necromancy -- the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860677 item gets 5 hrs on 1 charge if light is enabled, 7 if ambient light only ( for nao, runs ancient gentoo )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-16 00:19 asciilifeform will try again with 'samsung n150' box, with sadder kbd, but same chipset, and reportedly fitting
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 17:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i recently found that lcd panel made by (defunkt) 'pixelqi co', pq3qi-01 , is still sold by chinese ( i have nfi if clones, or old stock ), ~100 $ ea; the thing toggles from 1024x600 colour/backlit into a 3072x600 greyscale reflector thing, worx with various lappies ( sadly not x60, it's a 16:9 )
asciilifeform: ( with minimal cpu load, i.e. emacs )
BingoBoingo: Anyways, US-Vzla diplomatic relations have been cut. USG.BLUE has 72 hours to get out.
asciilifeform: ukrazuela.
BingoBoingo still waiting to see about that aircraft carrier
asciilifeform: blue out, red in, lol
BingoBoingo has been explaining to people wishing for "humanitarian intervention" that they need to be very careful what they wish for
trinque: these people never heard of iraq?
BingoBoingo: Apparently Saddam was a different kind of bad man.
BingoBoingo: Even though both are charismatic fellows rich in moustache.
trinque: and rich in oil
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo Mocky yeah lol
mircea_popescu: keks of all time, the imaginary "civil society" is gonna benefit from ustardation.
asciilifeform: possible bonus lol if boat stuck during steam back from syria to ukrazuela on acct of winblowz-nt crash
asciilifeform: meanwhile , measurements : 2.533s is cost of 1 shot of 4096bit m-r (on standard tester iron)
asciilifeform: 0.413s for 2048.
mircea_popescu: pretty hefty
asciilifeform: in range of what i estimated earlier, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886357
a111: Logged on 2019-01-11 17:30 asciilifeform: btw per asciilifeform's chalkboard, the physical cost of constanttime m-r is ~equal to that of (2 modexps of the given width) x (number of witnesses) .
asciilifeform: must point out tho that you dun leak anyffin if you terminate the m-rism for X after first failed shot.
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz, m-r is montecarlistic for probable-primality but deterministic for compositeness, i.e. if outputs 'composite' then you have in fact a composite )
asciilifeform: naturally each new X is pumped from FG, rather than kochian increment or any such thing
asciilifeform: ( as discussed in detail in '17 thrd )
asciilifeform: this means that the gcd pre-litmus is an unambiguous win ( and you also dun leak anyffin if you terminate after X flunks the pre-litmus and you go an' get a new X)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1885939 << orig thrd re above, for completeness.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 00:19 asciilifeform: in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
asciilifeform inclined to reject koch's optimization ( which diana_coman retained ) where witness consists of rng(bitness_of_n - 2) , and actually make witness equal to rng(width) mod (n - 2) for full range
asciilifeform: per the proof, it is seemingly harmless ( a carmichael number has 1/4 of the integers as 'liars' ) but what it does is to prevent simple manual test with small numbers , which is imho quite typically kochian
asciilifeform: one oughta be able to feed any valid, per the theorem, witness, up to n - 2 , and get the expected output.
asciilifeform: *up to 1/4
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886898 )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 18:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : plox to lemme know if ~any~ part of this is unclear, cuz this is rather important moving part
asciilifeform: closest thing there is to a 'jesus bolt' in the thing, arguably.
asciilifeform: when we sit the thing down on a microcontroller with mask rom, or some other similar iron, it will be important to be able to spot-check the m-r and determine that for some input known only to you, it actually behaves as m-r.
asciilifeform: ( without having to use a microscope or whatnot )
asciilifeform: this type of test is impossible on systems where m-r eats witness straight from rng, without possibility to override by hand.
asciilifeform will bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is counterintuitively actually better to test with smaller integers than larger ones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in that can check result with pen ? or canya think of some other reason..?
asciilifeform: afaik density of 'liars' is uniform across numberline.
mircea_popescu: specifically because density is uniform, if you ~only~ check say 64 bit numbers as witnesses (ie, nothing smaller than 2^63) there's a set of composites < certain limit that'll pass ; whereas if you only check 1-63 bit numbers (so the same ~number~ of numbers) there's a set of composites that'll pass, but they're LARGER than the same limit.
mircea_popescu: much like in the case of usual gcd -- checking a random number for divisibility with 2 provides a much larger benefit (eliminates 50% of candiates) than checking a random number for divisibility with 15,485,863, which only eliminates 0.000% of candidates.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's that bach conjecture thing.
mircea_popescu: which is also why there exists such a thing as m-r witness sets, ie sets of witnesses guaranteed to not be false up to a certain value of candidates
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right.
asciilifeform: in so far as anyone can tell, it's troo, and then 64bit witnesses suffice for 4096bit candidates. but not only relies on riemann, but dun win anyffin in ffa, where very small and very large number eat same cpu.
asciilifeform: ( would, if riemann were proven, conserve rng bits, tho , could use fewer of'em )
asciilifeform: incidentally, m-r liars seem to be closed under multiplication, but i have not proven.
mircea_popescu: that'd afaik be a useful result.
asciilifeform: ikr?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: potentially could have cryptoism based on such a thing, if it were in fact troo
mircea_popescu: yes, because not readily computable the reverse, "which number are these liars for"
asciilifeform: ( or even a proofofwork func )
asciilifeform: aha
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/01/24/terminal-pantsuit-discourse-no-there-is-no-we-in-si-se-puede/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Terminal Pantsuit Discourse: No, There is No "We" In "Si se puede"
BingoBoingo: ^ This is getting follow up later
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "He/She/You can == Puede" << no you belongs there.
mircea_popescu: also it's not Hondoras, it's Honduras
mircea_popescu: nor is there such a thing as Venezuala. did you get your vowels knotted up there ?
BingoBoingo: Vowels indeed iffy today

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