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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872250 << not so. i actually like it, as being one of the few proven-hard bits of the witches' brew we call crypto.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 20:20 diana_coman: my understanding was that nobody actually LIKES oaep all that much but it's (again! another one of those!) the thing we have (as opposed to the thing we might wish for)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872257 << i am not aware something better than oaep for rsa padding ~could in principle be had~, let alone actually is known to exist.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 20:50 asciilifeform: but for general-purpose pgp replacement, conceivably could use something 'hungrier' but with 0 fixed structural bits. i'ma invite mircea_popescu et al to consider the subj.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque Feel free to return the feed
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'proof' is iffy ( iirc we dug into this in early thrd ) but that aint the thing that makes me hairs stand up: it's that oaep introduces structurism ( for comparison, even the oldest 'all or nuffin' algo, rivest's , does not )
mircea_popescu: this intuition is not in fact proven.
asciilifeform: tru ( if i had proofism, would post, promise )
asciilifeform: it'll turn out to suck tho if it turns out that , say, if you know 3bits of what went into a keccakization, you now know 33 of its oaepization, or the like. i dun know a proof that ~not~ this, if that makes sense
asciilifeform: it puts 9000 tonnes of load on the hash to carry.
asciilifeform: recall the thrd that provoked mircea_popescu into making shot at own hash algo etc. orig was a stab at the generalized problem of destructurizator.
mircea_popescu: if the hash is not there to carry load then why have it.
asciilifeform: ( how to take plaintext, with possible known patterns, and turn it into something about which NO useful 'and bit B is X' can be said )
mircea_popescu: and no, thread that prompted me to publish the lulzitem was specifically the glib "oh, NOW here's shits and giggles"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have hashes cuz some thing simply cannot be done without'em ( short rsa sigs of GB inputs, etc )
mircea_popescu: this is unrelated.
asciilifeform: but if it were possible to have straight rsa, rather than rsa and hash,would be stronger system ( no hash ever was proven strong, even in the sense rsa is )
asciilifeform: at any rate, i dun have an obviously-superior replacement for oaep. so presently ( see my rollout calendar ) i'ma implement one. but i dispute that 'cannot be made' claim.
asciilifeform: i'm willing to 'marry' rsa, but not oaep, oaep only willing to casually fuck
asciilifeform: imho it is by far weakest link in the ensemble.
asciilifeform bbl, sleep
mircea_popescu: i still don't know what you dislike about it, other than it's continued existence per se.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform hunts by smell
mircea_popescu: problem is he hunts chunks of flotsam, rock etc half the time.
BingoBoingo: That is a peril facing any Beedog
mircea_popescu: ie, i can't distinguish his process from randomness.
BingoBoingo: If cute girl dildo'd rock, gets investigated by smell, even if it turns out the culprit was honest clams
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this blog disaster of yours has rescued a bunch of pingbacks you apparently never sent b4
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Turns out lighttpd didn't do the pingback thing
mircea_popescu: heh. cool then
BingoBoingo: Other upside: Lighttpd fuckery dead as an mpwp httpd
mircea_popescu: no idea why you were using it.
BingoBoingo: Curiosity
BingoBoingo: Anyways bunch of lessons to write up
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news: Uber has an office here. Office is in solid favella territory https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/oficinas-de-uber-en-montevideo-fueron-apedreadas-y-debieron-cerrar-20181114182928
BingoBoingo: Yes, if you look a an online map it will show the street in question touching the "Palacio legeslativo", but then it goes straight into abject sadness
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872324 -> by comparison to the rest, yes, I "like" it too.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 05:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872250 << not so. i actually like it, as being one of the few proven-hard bits of the witches' brew we call crypto.
mircea_popescu: what can i say.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-14#1872207 << so practically speaking, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871473 or not, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870991 or not, you will ABSOLUTELY NOT get some sleep, or anything else in that vein. you will instead simply continue on your collision course, indefinitely and no matter what, and if the republic drops through the cracks fuck it, and if your own health does, or your own s
a111: Logged on 2018-11-14 15:45 mod6: 2018-11-13 15:35:03,098 [INFO ] [0.101.22.52] [MDMCommandQueueMonitor ] - Cancelling existing run of MDMCommandQueueMonitor
a111: Logged on 2018-11-12 15:39 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867509 : perhaps this is just the ticket mod6 , take a few days / a week off whatever, ~BY YOURSELF~. so you can fucking think. go hang out with BingoBoingo , fuck some latino whores, get drunk once or twice... these are the mainstay "i'm in a paper bag how do i get out" methods since time immemorial for a fucking reason.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: the "sad" news, from this perspective (though it is boldly and fundamentally the exact opposite of sad) is that no, there isn't any "return to the grand old days" on the table. ~emphatically~ not. bitcoin ain't going back to spending a summer at 2 dollars a coin ; and consequentlly you're not going back to being the mod6 of 2013 on ten hours a week and lukewarm committment.
mircea_popescu: anity, or anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING else fuck it with a side order of marschino cherries, and let it be all damned. you've committed to working two jobs to raise some woman's kids, no other women will be considered, no other activities will be considered, just that and that alone until the proverbial http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#selection-261.158-261.168 ; do i rather get the gist of it ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 pleez let me know when we can swap yours, iirc you're the last rk fella on old disk << go ahead when ever you guys are ready.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I can't take any time off of salt-mine, or at least, not the kind of time that I would need to drop all and head down to BBstan. Used my time for this year, already.
mod6: I've been trying to stay off of here, as much as I can turn my attention away, this week. But repeated admonishments for my life choices doesn't help anything.
mod6: I did do some thinking over this last week.
mod6: Well, four days, I guess.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872348 << i woke up and 'i owe mircea_popescu a proper elaboration' but noticed it is ending up lengthy, and the risk of typo and turning sense into nonsense is high; so prolly oughta be a blog post, i'ma write it after ch12 , supposing nobody's in a dire hurry
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 05:58 mircea_popescu: problem is he hunts chunks of flotsam, rock etc half the time.
mircea_popescu: mod6 from my pov, you've transparently rotated from not being able to add to not being able to read ; and should something like "alf, do not speak to diana_coman anymore" should issue for some reason, you'll just move on to ~same somewhere else.
asciilifeform after the serpent thing has turned to a moar 'measure 7 times, cut 1' direction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good idea.
mod6: I was sincerely confused as to why she picked up 99994, just wanted to ensure that whatever happens there, that it was the correct thing. Yes, perhaps I should have spent more time on that reading thouroughly, clearly.
mod6: Anyway, the thoughts from the last week are basically that, I want to work on some things, but I just don't have the capacity any longer, or the same passion that I once had.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, admonishments have nothing to do with any of this. i am stuck in the unenviable position of parenting an infantile adult woman, practically speaking, where i have to construct an image of committments ex post facto, from bits of pieces of silent activty. "oh, i wonder why she failed college, maybe it's because she's hooked up with some dood ?" sorta nonsense.
asciilifeform: mod6: have you considered to get a diff heathen gig ? the kind where you dun have to go anywhere ? in '16 asciilifeform pulled this off, yes it took having to run on batteries for a spell, but was 100% worth it, it's the only reason i had strength to actually do FG, ffa, etc
mircea_popescu: and the problem is on clear display with the "i was sincerely confused" bit. you did the lowest possible effort attempt to get something out of it ; and in your case this was elevated into an actual minicrisis because i trust you.
mircea_popescu: but i trust you to ~have read~ the woman's thing ~before~ you say it does something it does not in fact do.
mod6: This year has been very hard, and I'm going to be getting out of the way so that the Republic can go on doing its good work.
mircea_popescu: by all means. the republic is eternal ; children are like ducklings, one day they http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/best-in-the-world-13-560x373.jpg then you blink and they're 3 lbs being thrown into the pond. come back when you're mocky's age, you can have a lengthy history of java you daren't admit to the self you regret and you can go to burma or w/e.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I had a super-knee jerk reaction to the blog-post on the train that afternoon, I surely should have spent some more time with it as opposed to assuming that she just picked up the wrong one by mistake.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which -- anyone with a burning interest in the rainforests of asia ? it occurs to me it might be worth pinpointing a place by the criterion of "pantsuit radio silence" also.
mod6: asciilifeform: So for the first ... 5 years of my participation here, I did have a 95% wfh job, and that made all the difference.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit to a curiosity re vietnam. ( not only famously succeeded in crushing the anglo-roaches , but persistent rumours that at least part of the reason why invaded was to prevent a native and 'red' semiconductor castle from appearing , was showing symptoms )
mod6: Well, I take that back, not "all" the difference, but it certainly helped. Now, I've got to be in the fascist-tower daily, with a 2+ hour commute every day. It sucks.
mircea_popescu: so why are you sticking to the nonsense ?!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you go to the tower roflmao.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me just another costa rica, "nice people and here's their coca cola"
mircea_popescu: but i admit to superficial examination.
mod6: Need the fiat. Someday, when we're at the right levels, I won't need to do any of that. But today isn't that day, sadly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely likely. but afaik best-looking horse in that glue factory. observe that e.g. vikrot bout was betrayed by usg.thailand, not vietnam.
asciilifeform: *viktor bout
asciilifeform: simply best-known example. pantsuit is colonial master in good chunk of that subcontinent, but not afaik vietnam.
mircea_popescu: afaik not burma. which is a stronger statement.
asciilifeform: i recall mircea_popescu got wind at one point that burma is industrializing. but i have nfi re detail, it is 'dark matter'.
mircea_popescu: cuz a successful military junta shot all the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ and survived the "unsurvivable" just fine.
asciilifeform: this i recall
asciilifeform: what i dun presently know is whether the new fuhrer is presiding over a ~nepal , or sumthing where could actually build iron.
mircea_popescu: hence the original q.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872392 << mod6 you absolutely must escape. what wouldja need in order to escape ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:37 mod6: Well, I take that back, not "all" the difference, but it certainly helped. Now, I've got to be in the fascist-tower daily, with a 2+ hour commute every day. It sucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a fighting-shape mod6 is easily worth 2 or 3 asciilifeform's . i dun suppose you have a qatar to evacuate him to ?
mod6: escape the current salt-mine? I've been earnestly looking since last fall. Most of the similar pay jobs have ~some~ remote work, but not all. To go back to basically 100% (or close) wfh time, I'd have to take a pretty big pay-cut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck do you think i even bother with all this unpleasantness.
mod6: And/or go on contracts.
mircea_popescu: mod6 how about you stop going to work altogether ? what then ?
mod6: Which I've done a lot of before, but it's pretty unsteady. It gets tired having to look for new work every 6mos to 1 year.... although, I do try to switch mines every 2-3 years.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I'd love to. I've got coins, but I was wanting to wait a few years yet maybe before I sell.
mod6: Then, I'd leave that shit for good.
mircea_popescu stopped going to work altogether cca 2003, even though it was not really "work" in the sense modern zek imagines, and even though "you can have your office wherever you want, yes we'll call any of your girls to find out what cafebar that is today" and so on. and it was as fucking difficult a decision for me as for anyone ever, because "we need you" and "this shit won't work without you" (duh) and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: but, asthe saying goes, you gotta drop a hand when you know it can't win, not when you figure you can afford to lose "your" "share" of the pot. (note -- pot is NOT SHARED, and it only has an owner AFTER, never before. there's no suchj thing as pot equity, fundamentally and necessarily, which is because man-things are anti-woman-"ideas").
asciilifeform: i recall the post, i think, mircea_popescu used to be a kind of surgeon , resurrected dying corps
mircea_popescu: mod6 so the idea here being that currently fiat valuation of coins is "0.5x fountains of youth" and you're waiting for something more like 1.5x fountains of youth, ie, for it to be a superunitary number of fountains of youths ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he used to be a kind of fixer, owned a town and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-28#1036383
a111: Logged on 2015-02-28 23:51 mircea_popescu: you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any.
mod6: Something like that. When I can take 25 coins and retire confidently. Or something of the like.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't think the coins will ever buy back our youths.
mircea_popescu: that is a definite ceiling i can absolutely place on the bit-coin
mod6: I don't think it'll buy back youth -- just the time and space to never have to go back to the mines. To be able to use my time as best as mircea_popescu sees fit.
asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor emperor qin shihuandi , with stable of alchemists paid in coin, hunting for elixir
mod6: I really could do this today.
mircea_popescu: ahaha mod6 that's like ein anderes level!
mircea_popescu: sick burn. but srsly, i don't have a problem with you using it any way you ~think~ best. but the catch is, i fucking want you to think! not just autopilot into it.
mod6: I just don't want to use that many coins on it, today.
mod6: heheh, *nod*
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> simply best-known example. pantsuit is colonial master in good chunk of that subcontinent, but not afaik vietnam. << Vietnam lost the rent a rack contest due to sad "International" bandwidth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not all doings require a+++ bandwidth
mod6: wrt the salt-mine thing, and retirement, I'm just trying to do the most reasonable, responsible thing. I think about it everytime I step foot on the train platform.
mircea_popescu: if you say you think about it i will believe you think about it. as i have believed throughout, when the fuck did i even tell you what to do until you started not doing it. if you say i will beleive, but mind it's not "honest confusion" a la earlier.
mircea_popescu: because that -- that i have no way to check.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. Simply pointing out Vietnam lost the datacenter contest for the same reason Cambodia did and not being USG.BFF
mircea_popescu: afaik burma doesn't even have an "international bw".
mircea_popescu: but then again, we have all these autopilot magic flying information-superhighway threads... may benefit from a real jungle endpoint.
asciilifeform: there are things on back burner that ~specifically~ call for 'jungle endpoint'.
BingoBoingo: The Burma situation is lulzy with old girl whats her name having solved whatever petty hangup stood between her and the Junta and going from USG.blue darling to a lesser "orange man"
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: it would be a little rich if the thing became "but mp, you said man -- responsibilities -- rhodesia ???" "yes well, sorry, beobachter did not list you on rhodesia list" "oh I SEE!!!"
asciilifeform: they did 'list' qatar, neh
asciilifeform: turns out pantsuit fatwa not 100% a++ guide to where are the sane orcs
BingoBoingo: <mod6> mircea_popescu: I can't take any time off of salt-mine, or at least, not the kind of time that I would need to drop all and head down to BBstan. Used my time for this year, already. << After January 15th the amount of ear confusing Portuguese drops substantially, and the beaches are still here
mod6: Thanks BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i am half-considering getting a beach house here for a week or so, to "airbnb" any republicans who might wish to come. this sound interesting at all to anyone ?
asciilifeform: mod6 srsly ^
mircea_popescu: i'm thinking mid jan to late feb sometime maybe.
mircea_popescu: im also half-thinking of hiring a coupla strippers to do the housework naked for the interval.
mircea_popescu: why not do things in style.
BingoBoingo: Anyways mod6 if you can't hit up the expocannabis next month, the beach doesn't expire. You just don't have to share it with the Bralisero school break crowd.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, what've you got against the brazil folx anyway . i worked with a bunch for yrs, jolly good chaps
asciilifeform: ( admittedly they were 100% solid miamiseeker )
mircea_popescu: i think he just doesn't like schoolkids
BingoBoingo: They are good people, but based on my experience shortly after landing the whole "third language dominating all the spaces" deal can be disorienting
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think he just doesn't like schoolkids << Mostly this
BingoBoingo: And not particularly fond of "teachers" either
asciilifeform: eh portuguese is 'language' like ukr is
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo becoming stereotypical gruff male.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish to hear re foregoing!
asciilifeform: wb Mocky
Mocky: thx asciilifeform, been off grid a few days
mircea_popescu: how's being back ?
trinque: BingoBoingo: feed re-enabled
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 10 hours and 54 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Feel free to return the feed
Mocky: it was good until all my plans went awry. Had planned 3 months of normal living off savings to find a new job. unexpectedly I'm in immediate need of income and acute rationing / mooching off family has already begun
mircea_popescu: how come ?
trinque: mod6: I don't mean to thump on you further, but you've gotta be the least selfish guy sitting here. I encourage you to look out for #1 a bit more. we need a sharp, rich, powerful mod6, not one running himself ragged piously.
mircea_popescu: i think he might actually be the least selfish guy here.
mircea_popescu: and yes, when good men forego power, all that happens is power ends up concentrated with idiots. NOTHING else.
Mocky: most of my savings was lost to my own idiocy, and my other stream of income has been delayed
mircea_popescu: it's significantly more shameful an act to not be powerful than to go around rural train stations jacking off.
trinque: hey, jacking-off dood is leaving his mark
mircea_popescu: Mocky didja ever get the BingoBoingo thing settled or is that distressed consequently ?
BingoBoingo: It's a lot easier to go around rural train stations jacking off if your rural has train stations
mircea_popescu: eurocentric worldview ftw.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo thing is still in progress and not distressed. but you'll have to !!v if you want the remainder to proceed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870491
a111: Logged on 2018-11-09 21:32 mircea_popescu: !!pay mocky 0.2
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
mircea_popescu: brb, checking this. jesus wtf is with my v process.
trinque: probably just lack of caps
trinque: if the thing doesn't confirm back to you that the !!pay happened, didn't
mircea_popescu: !!v F654A0B4F8FCF45412A50B62FE4EAF783A6846B1D281EB8860F2C9394012F38F
mircea_popescu: hm. i take it it's expired ?
trinque: looks already consumed, yep. one sec and lemme fix the caps-sensitivity
mircea_popescu: oooo caps.
trinque: give it a pull again with lowercase please?
mircea_popescu: Mocky thanks fucking god i said something.
mircea_popescu: trinque sorry, it's not clear to me. should i do something ? what ?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, you were going to get a reminder from me tomorrow if it hadn't gone thru by then.
trinque: the command should now work with any casing
trinque: but you'll need to re-issue it and !!v again
mircea_popescu: trinque so the payment he references is actually dead, and i should re-do it (and in redoing it say "mocky" not "Mocky" so you can test) ?
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
trinque: correct
mircea_popescu: !!pay mocky 0.2
mircea_popescu: Mocky imagine, never before was i tempted to type a nick by hand, so we never knew.
mircea_popescu: !!v 76448389511874988173ADAC8EE65CEE8A9B2AF07975B3F38E34412E988550DA
deedbot: mircea_popescu paid mocky 0.2
trinque: neato, thanks
mircea_popescu: my very good pleasure.
Mocky: ok, looks good
Mocky: anyway, I'm putting in 80hr/week interview prep as that's my bottleneck, plus as many more hours as I can cram in before it shuts down
mircea_popescu: now this out of the way : your credit's still good, you want a coin or so on your marker ?
Mocky: I'd appreciate it, I'm not in a position to turn it down as much as I'd like to
mircea_popescu: you want it settled as fiat or as coin ?
Mocky: coin
mircea_popescu: !!pay Mocky 1
mircea_popescu: !!v DE9F4E16DEFA1DAE7F6B3AD1C6B075DA9ABAF6125E1A01E377B8D6240367B111
deedbot: mircea_popescu paid Mocky 1
Mocky: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
Mocky: ok
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/japan-cybersecurity-minister-has-not-used-a-computer/ << Qntra - Japan: Cybersecurity Minister Has Not Used A Computer
BingoBoingo: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872387 How is Chimichurri Raptorson doing these days?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:35 mircea_popescu: by all means. the republic is eternal ; children are like ducklings, one day they http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/best-in-the-world-13-560x373.jpg then you blink and they're 3 lbs being thrown into the pond. come back when you're mocky's age, you can have a lengthy history of java you daren't admit to the self you regret and you can go to burma or w/e.
mircea_popescu: feathers, lol
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the ability to keep house ducklings for eventual retirement to the pond on the back 40 is a distinct advantage of rural life
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loox like http://bingology.net sidebar is vanished ?
BingoBoingo: Perpetual duckling machine
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's on the repair que
asciilifeform: backups, folx!!
asciilifeform: no one ever said last words 'i wish i hadn't made backup' heh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, did anyone ever actually bake a pdf2www viewer gizmo ? ( i wanted to link to e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715210 and other oldstuff, at various points, but am loathe to link direct turd, really oughta be a thing which eats link to pdf and shits a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html - style item )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 02:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally, should prolly take a look at http://www.shoup.net/papers/oaep.pdf also
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that several people ( incl. gabriel_laddel ) threatened to bake this, but did anyone bake ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fixed
asciilifeform: sumthing like a rk, booted to ram disk, would make a perfectly fine toilet for such a thing imho
mircea_popescu: iirc i even put in the logs url of very fine service in this vein, back a few years ago when i still even considered i might be interested in reading something that came in a pdf.
asciilifeform: it very rarely comes up , aha
mircea_popescu: meanwhile kinda moved past it -- if it's in pdf it's as good as if it's in http://trilema.com/2013/the-linguistic-mark-of-cultural-failure/ language as far as i'm concerned : dead to reason and to no loss of reason for it.
asciilifeform: at times i wanna link to orig pubs of various algos, e.g. barrett, and frustrating
mircea_popescu: at some point, man has to discriminate. as much sense as the woman's wail "o look, he has TOES!!! there are SOME human-like parts!!" may seem to make sense on the surface.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention, various heathen dirt in e.g. qntra, typically i put it through ocr but result aint always edible )
asciilifeform: imho a thing that'd swallow a pdf/ps/etc and shit out html with sequenced jpeg, would be entirely useful item.
asciilifeform: iirc lobbes attempted one, but got stuck on sumthing
mircea_popescu: and the republic's insistent refusal to bake it, over the years since it was first specced, an entirely resounding and clear refusal of the theory.
asciilifeform: it definitely, let's say, not top of list of open problem
mircea_popescu: i'm perfectly willing to turn the de facto "we of tmsr do not believe anything in a pdf should ever be read" into law.
asciilifeform: i wish i could concur, but while baking ffa i had to eat a good 100GB of pdf.
asciilifeform: ( if anybody's curious how -- printer )
mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem afaik is that pdf is a) not a format and b) not digital.
mircea_popescu: by a i mean : a zip of pngs can be presented as ".pdf" and this is legal ; just as vectored text or ascii text could.
mircea_popescu: and by b) i mean inept shit like "this text is a picture"
mircea_popescu: so imo saddling anyone with "transform pdf into sanity" is not unlike saddling the one with any other restatement of "build machine, shit in, prunes out".
asciilifeform: sanity -- defo not; but conceivably could be frozen in amber the way nintendo games were.
asciilifeform: supposing anybody can ever be arsed.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i want amber statues of pdf.
mircea_popescu: decay, dissolution and doom are ~good~ things.
asciilifeform: the thread provoked by reading dulap l0gz this morning, and asciilifeform noticed a mysterious upsurge of heathen interest in ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491985 turd collection. by all rights they oughta be seeing it as jpeg encrusted with tmsr ad banners etc
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 04:51 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: just re-genesis anything you happen to find and care about in a pdf as if it were your own original invention.
mircea_popescu: as far as im concerned, it strictly is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kinda what ffa is
asciilifeform: ( no algo in ffa is newer than 1988 or so )
asciilifeform: and they all orig were born as typewritten page in pdf thing
mircea_popescu: pdf can't "own" bits anymore than wikipedia can. if i drop a can of tuna in dogshit, it;s not now "dogshit brand tuna"
asciilifeform: contemplated strictly as archaeologist's spade, rather than some continued 'legit' existence for the sadformat.
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe the item linked cca 2015 is perfect answer. do you know which i mean or need i go spelunking for it ?
asciilifeform: diggin in the l0gz since mircea_popescu brought it up 5min ago, but not found yet
mircea_popescu: aite will try and refind.
asciilifeform: ( if not find, i won't cry, either )
a111: Logged on 2014-11-09 06:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did it look like when alive ? was it essentially a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html thing ?
asciilifeform: ( i've seen various heathen crapola that takes pdf and makes www, but all seems to use ocean of js and scarcely improvement over orig gnarl imho )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it actually was https://pdftotext.com/
mircea_popescu: give it a spin plox ?
asciilifeform goes to try
asciilifeform: gives me line noise for pretty much anyffing i put in
asciilifeform: ( not even 7bit-clean line noise )
asciilifeform: i suspect it only worx on pdf with pre-existing ocr track
asciilifeform: ( i.e. not maffs, not scans )
mircea_popescu: possible ? or i got the wrong item, who the fuck even knows.
mircea_popescu throws hands up, this was the available budget for pdf bs.
asciilifeform: if anybody knows of such a thing that actually seems to work, plox to write in.
Mocky: I've used online-convert.com, has an option for OCR but I haven't tested that. https://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt
asciilifeform: Mocky: the sad bit is that ocr never has and prolly never will work worth half a shit on maffs
asciilifeform: ( where not only gnarly notations but where even 1 character bitflip is unacceptably many )
asciilifeform: it's kinda why knuth wrote tex
asciilifeform: ( wanted to get human monkeys out of the typesetting loop, unacceptable bit rot even with professional typists )
mircea_popescu: there's no ~need~ for it to work, is the important point.
asciilifeform: very easy to say when you aint an archaeologist eating 100GB of old maffs.
BingoBoingo: Aite, I have found a ~56kb chunk of php which will let mp-wp shit out database backups from the dashboard. Going to put reading the PHP in the que, because php chunk's alleged author is this guy: http://austinmatzko.com/
mircea_popescu: nothing in a pdf is actually worth reading / taking as such. http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ specifically says, "no need to mechanically process pdfs"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is wrong with just using mysql like sane people ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ended up killing coupla trees, with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872555 , to do it, conceivably they didnt have to die..
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 17:50 asciilifeform: ( if anybody's curious how -- printer )
mircea_popescu: let them die.
asciilifeform actually ran 2 printers into the ground since started ffa
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Workflow thing. I don't keep a constant ssh tunnel into the server, but if there's a button of the constantly open wpdashboard which shits db for my local machine Imma hit that button at least daily.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to do spelunking, at least do it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no screen / scripts where you live ?!
mircea_popescu: you will have to at some time backup other things than mpwp you realiose
mircea_popescu: why are you learning the wrong lesson andf baking php into your process
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it might take a little work for other folx, but realize that you can back up your rk just by picking up the disk, lol, with hands, and sticking in yer lappy and dd if=/dev/sdb | gzip > backup
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is a point. I found a bandaid, gotta not let the bandaid turn into a load bearing structural member
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a point
BingoBoingo: At least now with Iron heat dissapating disk.
asciilifeform: with any disk ,lol
BingoBoingo: Harder to do with the old port fouling plastic shrouded thinds
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i used a chip puller when i was prototyping here, worked a++
asciilifeform: ( part of any respectable toolbox, imho )
asciilifeform: mine i fished from a dumpster when i was a kid
asciilifeform: but yes, new ones you oughta be able to pull with 2 fingers
Mocky: was kid asciilifeform hanging out in dumpsters or went in specifically for a chip puller?
asciilifeform: Mocky: when asciilifeform & co moved to usa, father worked as a 'building super' in industrial shithole, lotsa goodies thrown for the pickin'
asciilifeform: yes hung in dumpsters
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had to ride horse and burn vienna to get 286, but here idjits simply threw out 486 etc
Mocky: my first born has regular side income selling old servers and hardware fished from his work dumpster, sometimes asks me for help loading when loot pile is especially big
asciilifeform: Mocky: i used to shop at a dealer like that
asciilifeform: ( since sadly closed, i suspect he died, d00d was uncommonly fat even for ameristan )
asciilifeform: was great shop -- no price stickers, proprietor made up prices as he went along, and usually were in 'lunch money' range, even for e.g. pallet of sgi 'origin' etc
asciilifeform: 'oh hi mr d , i've been saving this naval 300kV xray machine for you, surely you want'
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform's ancient venerable hoster seems to be outaged ( iirc 2nd time since 2015 .. )
asciilifeform: ( anybody able to load my www ? )
asciilifeform: hrm, seems to work nao..
asciilifeform: shortest outage ever..
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other places, "The whole scope of the essay is to recommend culture as the great help out of our present difficulties; culture being a pursuit of our total perfection by means of getting to know, on all the matters which most concern us, the best which has been thought and said in the world, and, through this knowledge, turning a stream of fresh and free thought upon our stock notions and habits, which we now fol
mircea_popescu: low staunchly but mechanically, vainly imagining that there is a virtue in following them staunchly which makes up for the mischief of following them mechanically."
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, fwiw all my backups are basically scripts+cron
diana_coman: and re the wp backup from dashboard specifically, the one time when I used it on old blog it turned out to be shit because although it said "backup ALL" it failed to actually backup /restore the categories too...
BingoBoingo: Ah, the export thing is a pain I have bumped into before
BingoBoingo: Yes, that omits categories
diana_coman: I can't begin to imagine what was the design idea there "oh, ALL does not mean categories because you might want to just re-categorize all your writing" or what
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asciilifeform: diana_coman: sorta why asciilifeform wish list includes plain-files-on-disk blogotron -- then trivial to back up
asciilifeform: simply tar up the dir & go.
asciilifeform: even a super-heaviweight bag of txt/jpg like mircea_popescu's, would damn near certainly work a++ as a filesystem thing
asciilifeform: ( even phuctor did! back when it weighed a GB or 2 )
asciilifeform: and the jpg live on fs as it is.
asciilifeform: db only really wins when yer doing a) complex queries b) over million+ items , or a+b , really
asciilifeform: imho the wp mix-and-match, where some stuff lives in db, other on disk -- is worst of both worlds
asciilifeform: if you simply ~must~ db, stuff it all in db already
asciilifeform: ( phuctor keeps errything, even raw keyz, in db, nowadays )
asciilifeform: long ago, asciilifeform used to have a plain txt www . only moved to wp because wanted search box, comments, etc, and couldn't be arsed to bake a blogotron by hand
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all blogotrons are "plain files on disk"
mircea_popescu: mysql db is direcylu back-up-able by copying two files. php IS FUCKING FILES ON DISK
mircea_popescu: wtf already with all this idiocy.
mircea_popescu: and you are doing a+b. you are taking three different sources of data and merging them together, because it is ~deeply inconvenient~ to store comments together with articles.
mircea_popescu: and since you got that, you also use markup and configuration, which are similarily separate, and there you go, your naive "i am an idiot who must make his own nails by hand" "files on disk" has four... directories is it ?
mircea_popescu: LAW OFFICES OF Jnrrnnv Ltcmuex
mircea_popescu: i beleive this Jnrrnnv Ltcmuex, esq shall become a character.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what happens if you were to copy the msql db mid-write ?
asciilifeform: ( laugh all you like, this was actual problem in phuctor initially )
mircea_popescu: you lose the uncompleted bit.
mircea_popescu: mysql only commits to disk sane records.
asciilifeform: iirc got 'journal' thing aha
mircea_popescu: yes, it's a journaling fs with indexes. which is why i like it.
mircea_popescu: i am not saying very specific applications (such as bitcoin, due to blocks being b locks) can't benefit from purpose made fs. nor am i saying the extant ~fs~ are defensible and not an atrocity against sense and taste.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doesn't it ever strike you as odd that the machine needs ~2~ journals, 1 on top of other ?
mircea_popescu: however, the db is not at fault for our forebearers being dropped on the head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't need THE OTHER ONE
mircea_popescu: this one is the good one, as it's actually correctly designed.
mircea_popescu: until anhero comes by with the ~correct~ general purpose fs, mysql-on-ext4 is the way to go.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's objection is not 'i dun like mircea_popescu's db, it smells of burnt trotyl and tuica' but 'why machine needs TWO?!'
mircea_popescu: cuz we don't have the manpower to write ~general purpose fs~. we don't even have the manpower to write fucking ~narrow purpose fs~, for lack of the manpower to fucking read patches before we mis-add numbers!
mircea_popescu: fermeture provisoire pour cause de fermeture definitive!
asciilifeform: i wrote, fwiw, a nqb 'fs'. but not battlefield-grade yet.
asciilifeform: ( simply cuz not genesis'd yet , needs massage and will have to wait )
asciilifeform: ~O(1) tx load/store.
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK thought it's ok for the fs to not take arbitrary indices, like, ever, in the whole thirty seconds history of sitting-here-quietly-and-thinking-abnout-computers as it stretches from 1971 onwards.
asciilifeform: dumb unix fucks who else
asciilifeform: recall thread, 'you can have 9000 files' etc
mircea_popescu: "oh, cuz then you can't have ACCESS CONTROLS!!!" "oh ?" "so we won't implement those, either" "ah i see. and which is the store where they don't have fish again ?"
asciilifeform: funnily enuff they still have one in timis
asciilifeform: i went 10 times and 0 fish
asciilifeform: just empty tables, buncha weirdos, and pigeons
mircea_popescu: maybe their trawler wasn't in
asciilifeform: devil knows
asciilifeform: nearest fish prolly lives 900km away
mircea_popescu: i was being farcetious
asciilifeform: speaking of heathen gnarl, took another look coupla wks ago at 'risc-v' ( e.g. instr set https://archive.is/TfPrq ) and pretty depressing. yes it's the simplest cpu currently targeted by gcc , and somebody even sells iron nao, but still a mess.
asciilifeform: ( attraction is supposed to be 'open standard', 'no royalty', whatever. but still bizarrely imho complex. e.g. variable-length instructions -- wai!?? )
asciilifeform: and buncha crapola -- page table, floating point, etc. that simply dun need to exist.
asciilifeform: 'you bolt shit to side of rifle, still not hit broad side of barn'
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: imo if you're going to use "new processor, cuz simple" it will BETTER not have 1980s imbecile nonsense like "floating point"
mircea_popescu: which imo is ~exactly~ "unicode, implemented as best we could"
asciilifeform: variable-length instructions (a la x86 incidentally) is ~exactly~ unitardism
asciilifeform: i carved out an evening to actually read the standard docs, thinking 'maybe asciilifeform was wrong re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1823089 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739675 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739666 , etc ' but guess wat.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 20:57 asciilifeform: fuck riscv. it was deliberately designed with no arithmetical carry, to cripple cryptography.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 17:43 asciilifeform: 'risc-v' is a well-crafted attempt to steal the name, much like gypsies tried to steal even the name of the country they lived in
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 17:41 asciilifeform: moar concretely they go around propagandizing that if you build a fpga board you gotta use it, because 'mips is patented' ( in what country ? even in usa patent is 25y ) or 'risc-v is simplest' ( uh, nope ) and other idiocy.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, an almost ~exact opposite~ of asciilifeform's experience in digging up ada ( reputation for gnarl, turns out actually simple & clean 'when used as prescribed' ) , risc-v - reputation for 'simple and clean', turns out ball o' hair
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i beleive this Jnrrnnv Ltcmuex, esq shall become a character. << Hey, in a world where only machines can read pdf ocr hell into text, courts have to live with their illegible data writing
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in oddball heathen tech, https://archive.is/p7UYV
asciilifeform never ran into the thing previously , somehow, and then saw and wtf
asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..
asciilifeform: i knew about his lossy signatures nuttery, but not about this, it doubles the lulz
asciilifeform: ( it so happens that asciilifeform knows that fpga with 2MB sram became available just as that thing was written )
asciilifeform suspects that there are other lulz like this to be found in the 'asic resistant alts' circus, but does not actively follow the subj
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