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deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/11/ingenohl-the-anti-chucker/ << The Whet - Ingenohl, the Anti-Chucker
Mocky: I arrived back in usa
Mocky: my flight left at 1am local time and I wasn't able to sleep on either flight. was up for 42 hours
Mocky: just waking up now from 7 hour nap. it's mid morning back in qatar, where's the sun? :D
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-08#1870186 >> I had a toaster with cancel button a few years ago was just this. Once you add the 'feature' of smart toasting whereby turning the knob after toasting has started has no effect and then once you further add the feature that the lift handle is mechanically locked down and can't be lifted during the cycle, then yes, once you accept those things you then 'need' the red button
a111: Logged on 2018-11-08 14:44 mircea_popescu: industrial red button very much different item
Mocky: of course 'smart toasting' was the opposite of smart
mircea_popescu: o wb!
Mocky: thx!
mircea_popescu: say Mocky , does your bloghack support pingbacks ? such as eg http://trilema.com/2018/actual-anthropology-yet-another-minor-function-of-the-functioning-harem/#selection-67.45-71.1 ?
mircea_popescu: because you know, bidirectional linkage fundamental property of proper hypertext and all that...
mircea_popescu: Mocky ftr the item discussed had neither of those misfeatures.
Mocky: no bloghack, lacks the normal actually useful things
Mocky: hard pills to swallow, but i'm going to have to choke down the php and the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865105 because I don't want to spend the time to bake the actually moving pieces
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 20:35 asciilifeform: was speaking of where it recalculates what is by all rights a 100% constant value, 9000 times/hr, eternally
Mocky: i think i'm going to fal backto sleep now
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in vintage lulz, http://dan.corlan.net/wish/2014_01_7forever_operating_system_support_manifest.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you know this fella ? http://dan.corlan.net 'Alexandru-Dan Corlan, MD, PhD' 'stochastic models of patient evolution and pharmacologic response' 'high performance computing and programming in R, Ada and CommonLisp'
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's mostly slander anyway, as it stands it does that "recalculating" less than 1% of the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.
mircea_popescu: i realise the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868214 came as clear sky thunderbolt / supports the notion romania's like 5 people large... but still not all romanians know each other keks
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 00:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ubb = universitatea babes bolyay. cluj item. old man andreica's son was at teh politechnic. diff school.
asciilifeform: i was almost at the point where 'it's 5 people and mircea_popescu knows'em all' lol
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: let's say i only know the well established clans of the 80s ; maybe this guy 1st gen intellectual ?
asciilifeform: nfi. he showed up in the glue traps.
mircea_popescu eg recalls https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mu%C8%99lea 's son's dogs etc.
asciilifeform: i'ma write to him
mircea_popescu: good idea.
asciilifeform: done.
mircea_popescu: before i forget : re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931 this item can be exemplared in ro, also. sane clans used the same name for the firstborn, my father was mircea like my grandfather ; but some used vocalic alternation for incomprehensible reason, so the above linked guy's son wasn't ion but "ioan". which is a thoroughly imaginary halph diphtong nonsense ~specifically created for the purpose~. there's no such fucki
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
mircea_popescu: ng thing as "ioan".
mircea_popescu: !#s phtephen
a111: 3 results for "phtephen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=phtephen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ioan' sounds like an attempt to oldslavonic
asciilifeform: ( possibly result of 'acute orthodoxy of the central nervous system'(tm) ? )
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, I knew also the approach odd/even generations i.e. same name as grandfather rather than father; onth closer home it was meant to be more like same name as godfather but whatevers
asciilifeform: also lulzily, some of the groups in usa have this custom, but they also affix numbers, e.g. i knew a few folx who 'III', and at least 1 fella who 'IV'
asciilifeform: 'this letter is for john' 'which' 'VIII'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'd suspect the Ioan is simply because of church slavonic, yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is, and still appears in modern ru, e.g. for pope Иоанн Павел II etc
diana_coman: heh, at least it's not Ioann
asciilifeform: 'nn' is a creeping germanicism imho
BingoBoingo: I don't recall a IV, at least that advertised it, but I knew a Jewish kid with a III affixed
diana_coman: that sounds like the "we can haz dinastyyy 2"
BingoBoingo: Well, II was a train conductor and him and his wife were about as 70's white trash stereotype as could be in the 1990's
BingoBoingo: III made it to college, the Hillel house took him in and now III R economist
BingoBoingo: In the pantsuit sense of the term
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interesting; it was my understanding that the j00z frown on I,II,IIIism
asciilifeform: then again iirc only if the elder is alive
asciilifeform: (i.e. recycling dead man's name is a-ok)
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in the hard luck files: https://archive.is/o0tiw Dude had his thing living off da fat O'da land. Then he hitchhiked in a cop car.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These were some pretty atypical jews. Lived a 15 minute drive from town in house with normal town sized yard surrounded by farm on all sides
asciilifeform: i dun recall talmud prohibiting having 'normal sized yard' lol
asciilifeform: living off da fat O'da << d00d oughta consider new career, of beggar an' petty thief in e.g. calcutta. at least there could steal actual food, and not 'protein bar'
BingoBoingo: Well, normally when I think Jews I think more urban locations
Mocky: asciilifeform, I was almost a III but my mom won that argument
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870382 >>> becomes >>> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K1Ug1/?raw=true ( plaintxt )
a111: Logged on 2018-11-09 14:51 asciilifeform: i'ma write to him
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: thanks for the markup lol. otherwise yes, pastes go into pgptron, wtf it's broken all that.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870382 >>> becomes >>> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K1Ug1/?raw=true ( plaintxt )
mircea_popescu: and cool deal!
asciilifeform: though so, hence the envelope label.
asciilifeform: nao if only d00d would visit!
asciilifeform: but i suspect asciilifeform lives under a curse, nobody but the redditards ever deign to show
diana_coman: I suppose the " Anyway, e-mail is the communication tool that I am most comfortable with." might be quite common for thinking people that aren't all that young anymore either
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it seems to me the guy is Bucharest-based, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yea, d00d is a greybeard medical doc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: loox like
diana_coman: well, shouldn't be hard to find next time I'm in Ro really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also Иоани, of course.
mircea_popescu: Mocky the third ? that's a sad loss to humanilulz!
asciilifeform: 'A long time ago, in the late eighties, I myself tried to develop such a system, on a home-made 68K with a cp/m executive (the file system was on a second, z80 processor, that had a floppy drive). It's name was 'li' meaning a half lisp (but it had a simple, non-optimizing JIT compiler that directly generated 68K code)...' << this is at least the 3rd fella i've corresponded with who 'i tried to build lispm in '80s out of 68k'
asciilifeform: they remind me of old man leonardo and his chopper
mircea_popescu: hey, everyonre with the z80s was trying to build cool shit.
asciilifeform: 'i know how to build chopper, but no steel yet, grr'
mircea_popescu: nobody with the "smart"phones ever does, which is i guess the living proof of why "smart" phones are for dumb people and the z80 was smart even tho it didn't LABEL ITSELF SUCH
asciilifeform: 68k was imho a pretty great all-around allpurpose cpu. and -- mega-unsurprise -- ~unobtainable today...
asciilifeform: ( iirc BingoBoingo is even today aficionado of 68k )
diana_coman: my understanding of the "smart phone" label was in the vein of "smarter than user" so rather accurate, yes
mircea_popescu: that it is.
asciilifeform tried to source 68k back in the original draft cardanoism days. found that the only source, aside from vintage collectors, is some goldentoilet co that makes spare parts for usg rockets
asciilifeform: it's prolly the oldest chip, not counting 'heavies' like vax, that can rsa on sumthing like human timescale.
asciilifeform: ( rsa on z80, 6502, etc. is ~nonstarter, even if one 'banks' the address lines to give enuff mem, the 8bit buggers lack a multiplier, so you get 'egyptian' speed )
BingoBoingo: In other updates: The Birthday card mailed in February has been recieved!
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it went as message-in-a-bottle and oceanic currents finally changed, or wat..
BingoBoingo: What happened between the USPS postmark and the October 30th Correo Uruguayo stamp is a mystery
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for comparison, round-trip of misaddressed FG to argentina, from asciilifeformistan and back, took slightly under 3 months
BingoBoingo: It probably sat in a pile and the pile was only recently acknowledged
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa, erry so often one hears of a defrocking of a postman who stashed letters in his cellar instead of delivering, 'will do'em later!', sometimes years' worth
asciilifeform: wonder if something like this, was the culprit
BingoBoingo: I suspect it's more of a cultural thing. Someone set the basket of letters in not exactly the right spot. Being ever so off to the side it was studiously ignored because civil servants here "work to rules" deviating from the rules only when their incompetence intervenes.
BingoBoingo: And then 8 months later someone probably asked to throw out the obstacle blocking the walkway only for mail to be discovered
asciilifeform: yea the astonishing part wasn't the months, but that it finally went
BingoBoingo: Then again in this land where you have to register to import packaged goods, it is in a traditional US style paper envelope as opposed to a clear plastic "sobre" the Uruguayos insist on using
asciilifeform: in other olds, http://dan.corlan.net/software/niliada.ada << the 'niliada' corlan was speaking of.
asciilifeform: imho somewhat reminiscent of spyked's http://btcbase.org/patches/adalisp_genesis
asciilifeform: ( i half-expected that corlan in '90s would have discovered the non-pointeristic/non-heapistic style asciilifeform works in today -- but apparently nodice )
asciilifeform: still imho pretty interesting .
asciilifeform: even includes a built-in benchmark, of sorts
asciilifeform: http://dan.corlan.net/software/ilfive.html << some older stuff of his.
asciilifeform: !#s from:phf remind me
a111: 5 results for "from:phf remind me", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aphf%20remind%20me
asciilifeform: !Q phf didja ever get chance to unearth the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 item ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have
asciilifeform: err
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf didja ever get chance to unearth the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 item ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: iirc it's been a year+ since phf 1st mentioned it
asciilifeform: phf: i prolly won't get a chance to actually put it to use in near term, hands pretty full with ffa; but would like to have it. if it's there to be had.
asciilifeform: ( and if it requires baking a board, process takes coupla months anyway, so why not get the ball rolling )
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> In other updates: The Birthday card mailed in February has been recieved! << lol
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/womens-estheticians-being-targeted-in-canadian-human-rights-tribunals/ << Qntra - Women's Estheticians Being Targeted In Canadian Human Rights Tribunals
BingoBoingo: ^ Women's hair removal professionals gotta wax balls now
BingoBoingo: How goes the Odinsleep Mocky?
Mocky: slept another 7. not feeling fully normal, but at least not exhausted anymore
Mocky: mircea_popescu, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ojS4h/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall the infamous wedding cake thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wedding cake doesn't touch health in the way applying hot wax to delicate skin does.
BingoBoingo: And the wedding cake folk won
BingoBoingo: eventually
BingoBoingo: Also yesterday there was no Navidad in Tienda Inglesa. Today there was.
BingoBoingo: And just for asciilifeform: The impact of small differences on Trump's freedom to act as exemplified by Jeff Session's acting replacement "Incredibly Swole Guy" - https://archive.is/oTq9X
BingoBoingo: If that guy runs in 2024, who can the Democrats credibly put against him on a debate stage?
BingoBoingo: Their men won't look credible, and age will catch up to Michelle Obama's arms
mircea_popescu: Mocky http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O91m1/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! d00d loox just like bezos
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Completely different weight classes
BingoBoingo: Bezos was a skinny kid who turned to doping with fake testosterone late in life. Session's replacement played Iowa football and makes some of Trump's professional wrassler friends look small
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: will come in handy when they switch from yakyak to gladiatorial ring, i suppose
BingoBoingo: They are already kinda moving in that direction
Mocky: mircea_popescu, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5mQ2z/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay mocky 0.2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d9WJH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!key thordir>
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: !!key thordir
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/96397A4F0E4A4F244D9A0D78E393A7907516BA61.asc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds liek a decent article illustration lol.
BingoBoingo: When the time comes
mircea_popescu: in otherr documentary lulz, "We who live abroad are accustomed to believe that almost all Eretz Yisrael is now uninhabited desert and whoever wishes can buy land there as he pleases. But this is not true. It is very difficult to find in the land [ha'aretz] cultivated fields that are not used for planting. Only those sand fields or stone mountains that would require the investment of hard labour and great expense to make them
mircea_popescu: good for planting remain uncultivated and that's because the Arabs do not like working too much in the present for a distant future. Therefore, it is very difficult to find good land for cattle. And not only peasants, but also rich landowners, are not selling good land so easily...We who live abroad are accustomed to believing that the Arabs are all wild desert people who, like donkeys, neither see nor understand what is happ
mircea_popescu: ening around them. But this is a grave mistake. The Arab, like all the Semites, is sharp minded and shrewd. All the townships of Syria and Eretz Yisrael are full of Arab merchants who know how to exploit the masses and keep track of everyone with whom they deal – the same as in Europe. The Arabs, especially the urban elite, see and understand what we are doing and what we wish to do on the land, but they keep quiet and pret
mircea_popescu: end not to notice anything. For now, they do not consider our actions as presenting a future danger to them. … But, if the time comes that our people's life in Eretz Yisrael will develop to a point where we are taking their place, either slightly or significantly, the natives are not going to just step aside so easily."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wA1f1/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: ack
BingoBoingo: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jf0d7/?raw=true
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868072 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799520 fucking april. it's a travesty largely fueled by my noobishness. i've had a multi-upload form and script pair for months, been looking under pebbles in the quarry that is wp's upload process for a way to connect the dots. most recently i've been trying to map out on paper what seems to me the insane tangle of files involved in uploading --every damned file
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 04:19 mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface.
hanbot: is just stuffed with calls to other files. atm my goosechase sits in wp-admin/includes/media.php, wherein the suspected controlling function media_upload_form lives, consists of multiple other functions not defined in this file. i enjoy trying to sort it out but it's indeed at a snail's pace.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GrODt/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: hanbot well, keep good notes, maybe unroll the whole monstrosity into a single file eventually.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tBfyb/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: there really is ~0 reason to have something like mp-wp in multiple DIRECTORIES chockfulla files.
Mocky: ok BingoBoingo sounds good, i'll keep you apprised
BingoBoingo: tyvm
asciilifeform: hanbot et al : fwiw i've never 1nce used wp uploader, ever since booting up the current ver of my www in '07 i've used scp via 'midnight commander' for all file upload, worx great, it's just as if the thing were on my local fs
asciilifeform: ( and it worx with any box where you have ssh key set up )
asciilifeform: and comes with bonus, that you can keep all files +r only
asciilifeform: (i.e. chmod 400)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mp-wp does a bunch of useful things, such as adnotating the img tags, resizing the image to your pre-set sizes so you never have to worry about formatting, balancing them out in directories etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the thing is yet again "at my sheep farm we don't drink milk from special vessels". sure. nor do you have to. civilisation however is built out of pots and pans.
mircea_popescu: exactly like Mocky 's experience. t0 "oh, ima just make a hand cranked webotron" t1-tn : "does feature i work ?" "nope!"
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole fucking point of having it is so 500 alfs mockys etc don't have to all step on the same rakes on their own time individually.
mircea_popescu: this "oh, i won't play eulora" "oh, i won't use mp-wp" is starting to smack of specialsnowflakeism already. you realise this, dildos fuck your holes exactly as well as anyone else's, they're holes, the hole pre-exists your personal notion of the self.
asciilifeform: lol i dun hate mp's wp of anyffing of the kind
asciilifeform: *or
asciilifeform: but i dun have problem with resizing photos on local box, it isnt clear to me why it is blogotron's job to do such thing
mircea_popescu: it eminently IS blogotron's job to do such, because blogotron knows and you shouldn't care what the constraints are.
asciilifeform: will accept the 'he drinks milk straight from sheep' criticism, if must
mircea_popescu: how big should the pics be ? if you scale them by hand, what do you do, use a byte of memory to save this ?
mircea_popescu: if you want them left-alligned as opposed to centered, do you spew the div code by hand ? do you remember what it is, too ? do you keep it somewhere (and then remember where that is) ?
mircea_popescu: settings belong in config files, gimme a break.
asciilifeform: lol i settled on ' <= 640 wide displays correctly errywhere, vga and on' yrs ago
asciilifeform: and yes i hand-write html on my site ( with the exception of the code formatter thingie )
mircea_popescu: except 640 px with toolbars (which are needed, long discussion i won't get into, but trilema isn't laid out the way it is because that's what came out of FG), even if you (stupidly) use just one, leaves 400px wide pix. that's a stamp.
asciilifeform: toolbars ?
mircea_popescu: Recent Comments / Recent Articles
asciilifeform: a
asciilifeform: was referring to the 'post body' horiz band strictly
asciilifeform: iirc i have it set to 700
mircea_popescu: 700 is no viewport i ever heard of. the choices are 640, 1024 and 1280, practically.
asciilifeform: it's 1024 total, with 700 middle cut for 640 photo + margins, iirc
asciilifeform laid it out decade+ ago, scarcely fiddled since
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: in the side bar goes the toolbar, links, categories, thingies
asciilifeform: surprisingly enuff, even displays correctly on various horrors, even ipnoje etc
asciilifeform: i've found that the less 'modern' htmlism/css etc is used, the moar likely it is to display properly errywhere
mircea_popescu: trilema inline pics are, i find by looking, either 560 or whatever the fuck http://trilema.com/2018/the-lolz-inflation-continues-unabated/ is
mircea_popescu: which appears to be actually two different sizes.
mircea_popescu: and im so fucking thankful for not needing to know any of this.
asciilifeform: heh
asciilifeform: seems like mircea_popescu automated in php, various things that i do with local perlisms. nuffin wrong with this.
mircea_popescu: all inliuned pics are however linked to 1024px wide originals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something wrong with the perlisms -- unportable ; therefore unstandard[izable] etc.
asciilifeform: evidently mircea_popescu not yet automated errything tho. hence the uploads thread i was responding to.
mircea_popescu: and i'd 1000% rather have php machine do image manipulation than whatever local machine with scp authority, i'll tell you that.
mircea_popescu: what do you even scale them with ?
asciilifeform: 'mogrify'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at this juncture, trying to automate the automation. going slowly.
asciilifeform: sometimes gimp, if needs hand-twiddling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagemagick ? really ?
mircea_popescu: srsly now, way the fuck better to have that on a webserver.
mircea_popescu: adobe-level champ of holes.
asciilifeform: it lives on nic box anyway. and eats pics shat out of own camera/generated locally.
mircea_popescu: and the box it sits on can only scp into webtron ? (if so, it should be ON webtron ; if not so... that's your hole right there. etc)
mircea_popescu: in short -- none of this elaborate shit is actually idiosyncratic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly pretty much all graphics processing coad is 'swiss cheese', evidently nobody ever heard of bounds checking when writing these, lol
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: "designers".
asciilifeform: fwiw the scpism happens on yet-other box, lol
asciilifeform: there is a reason why asciilifeform's lan switch loox like a hammock.
asciilifeform: and yes its all 'gnarly, nonstandard, barbaric, sheep fucking'
mircea_popescu: well the idea is to cut off parts and clean them up.
mircea_popescu: there may be some reason and room for "ye olde instruments" ; but srsly now, webotrons should utterly not be it.
mircea_popescu: strikes me as in line with "password protected fruit juicer"
asciilifeform: i won't disagree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's approach is ultimately right thing, i suspect
asciilifeform: tho i do wish it didnt have to be php..
mircea_popescu: in the present situation i'd settle for a three-file 5k loc mp-wp reduction from the current imensity.
asciilifeform: erry time i work with php, i get same taste in mouth as when writing for winblowz
mircea_popescu: this, amusingly, was on my to-do (really, to-have-done, but let's not split camel toes) list for ... 12 years now!!!
BingoBoingo: Can only ada things up in steps, and there's other moving parts underneath www-blogthing
asciilifeform: i actually tried sawing on mp's-wp myself, when he first posted it, but my php-fu proved insufficient
asciilifeform: it prolly could be made considerably thinner
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: actually, this is the correct direction -- should be collapsed into as few files as necessary (prolly three, seeing how it uses the apache access model to limit admin/users, so you'd have an admin and a public dir), and then cut from that.
mircea_popescu: ill tell you this tho -- only AFTER this is made as thin as it gets are we significantly more advanced on the path towards replacing php
mircea_popescu: no man replaces what he doesn't well understand.
phf: testing http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KH6e/?raw=true
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 9 hours and 4 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever get chance to unearth the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-15#1862616 item ?
phf: asciilifeform: will look into it this weekend
phf: hmm http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KH6e/?raw=true
phf: oh oh http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jKH6e/?raw=true

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